Just give up Harmonix

[TheKrazyKatzzz]

Let's face it, Guitar Hero: World Tour wins.

Guitar Hero got Van Halen and Tool. Game over.

This is clearly superior to Rock Band's measly selection of de facto exclusive artists Boston, The Clash, Disturbed, The Grateful Dead, Judas Priest, Megadeth, Motley Crue, Nine Inch Nails, The Offspring, The Pixies, The Police, Queens of the Stone Age, Radiohead, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rush, Stone Temple Pilots, Weezer, and The Who.

Who's heard of Bob Dylan? Kansas? Blue Oyster Cult? Coheed and Cambria? The Rolling Stones? Soundgarden? No one, that's who.

Oh yeah, and AC/DC and The Beatles. Like anyone still listens to them.

Tool. Van Halen. Game over, man. Game over.

And let's not forget Guitar Hero: World Tour's exclusive artists.

There's a whole one Paramore song in Guitar Hero: World Tour. This just knocks Rock Band's two Paramore songs right out of the water.

And let's not forget the Smashing Pumpkins. Guitar Hero: World Tour really delivered here, what with it's non-existant inclusion of Bullet with Butterfly Wings. And the selection just clearly once again outmatches Rock Band's selection. After this weekend, Guitar Hero: World Tour will have a whooping 4 exclusive Smashing Pumpkins songs. I mean, how can Rock Band beat this? By having four better Smashing Pumpkins songs, like Today, Cherub Rock, Zero, and Siva? I think not.

And let's not forget that Guitar Hero: World Tour offers the hardest solo on disc drum song to date: B.Y.O.B. Does Rock Band have twice that number of System of a Down tracks, including System of a Down's spinoff bands? I think not.

I know it is still a close race, what with Guitar Hero: World Tour offering 84 songs for buying its disc, and Rock Band 2 only offering 104, with only 52 more songs for the horrendously expensive charge of 5 dollars to transfer the songs. But who can deny that Guitar Hero: World Tour doesn't triumph, what with it's triumphant offering of one fifth the number of songs on the Rock Band platform. I know you did your best, Harmonix, but offering five times the content of Guitar Hero: World Tour just isn't enough.

It's over Harmonix. Just give up.

[The_Wurm]

If I was HMX I'd shoot myself in the head.

But I'd do it for the lolz.

[Koopa_Troopa]

You forgot to mention that GT:WT has KFC on their side. Seriously, nothing can rock harder than the ultimate power of artery clogging chicken.

[vandalizemenow00]

Seriously opened this thread expecting to see some roadie with 2 posts doing the GH fanboy thing. Well done OP.

MMMP

[Zeleii]

You rule...

Have a Klondike bar

[HeyRiles]

Sums up every post in either forum, really. I have just my favorite quote to add to it.

"Oh, no way, really? Tool exclusivity? That's cool man. Oh hey, by the way, have you ever heard of a band called The Beatles?"

[trench762]

I hate loving both games, I opened this thinking uh oh I'm gonna have to defend rock-band, instead I have to defend GH, don't forget they have hendrix exclusive! Which imo is better than anything RB has to offer. I don't care anymore, bash either game to your hearts content. I will continue to play both, with my GH3 guitar and RB1 drumset like I always have.

[Chemical Phoenix]

It took me awhile :o

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

I hate loving both games, I opened this thinking uh oh I'm gonna have to defend rock-band, instead I have to defend GH, don't forget they have hendrix exclusive! Which imo is better than anything RB has to offer. I don't care anymore, bash either game to your hearts content. I will continue to play both, with my GH3 guitar and RB1 drumset like I always have.

Excuse me for asking, but since when was Hendrix exclusive? I thought that only the songs were and that HMX was in talks to get some Hendrix songs. Which, might I add, with Bob Dylan on their side might let them nab Hendrix' version of All Along the Watchtower.

[Zeleii]

I hate loving both games, I opened this thinking uh oh I'm gonna have to defend rock-band, instead I have to defend GH, don't forget they have hendrix exclusive! Which imo is better than anything RB has to offer. I don't care anymore, bash either game to your hearts content. I will continue to play both, with my GH3 guitar and RB1 drumset like I always have.
I prefer The Who and RUSH...

[trench762]

since when were Boston, The Clash, Disturbed, The Grateful Dead, Judas Priest, Megadeth, Motley Crue, Nine Inch Nails, The Offspring, The Pixies, The Police, Queens of the Stone Age, Radiohead, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rush, Stone Temple Pilots, Weezer, and The Who - considered exclusive to rock band. Boston has a song as dlc on GH now, Disturbed had a song on GH3, and the other bands may eventually. I might consider Rush and the grateful dead exclusive, and rush is a great exclusive band, but w/e like I said, I don't care anymore. When I see hendrix in rockband I'll buy it. Weren't we also suppose to see some sublime and the doors in RB, comon hmx, what's the holdup.

[Mex]

Oh and don't forget what Brian Bright said "WE HAVE MIDI!!! MIDDDDDDDDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII".

So obviously GH is superior.

Pffft.

[Zeleii]

Oh and don't forget what Brian Bright said "WE HAVE MIDI!!! MIDDDDDDDDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII".

So obviously GH is superior.

Pffft.
Pfft check out my Monkey thread...

His Cymbals > Rock Band

[TheKrazyKatzzz]

I hate loving both games, I opened this thinking uh oh I'm gonna have to defend rock-band, instead I have to defend GH, don't forget they have hendrix exclusive! Which imo is better than anything RB has to offer. I don't care anymore, bash either game to your hearts content. I will continue to play both, with my GH3 guitar and RB1 drumset like I always have.

You know I don't hate Guitar Hero: World Tour, and that's not what I was going for here. GH:WT is better than a lot of rental games out there, and I can honestly say I enjoyed it more than Dead Space or Civilization Revolution, because let's face it, I'm a sucker for rhthym games.

But I'm not going to beat around the bush, I do think that Rock Band is superior in almost every way.

Here are the things I liked about Guitar Hero: World Tour

-The song selections of Parabola by Tool, Hot for Teacher by Van Halen, Pull Me Under by Dream Theater, La Bamba by Los Lobos, and Assassin by Muse. I want all five of these songs on Rock Band, because they are very fun on drums.

-Guitar Hero: World Tour implemented hats slightly better than Rock Band. It's nice being able to choose a hair style and then add a hat in such a way that doesn't change the hair style.

-Guitar Hero: World Tour is much smoother with Difficulty settings in long playlists. You can switch difficulties 4 songs in to a five song setlist, and it doesn't ask you what you want your difficulty to be every time. It has a bit more memory. This *really* helped, and it's something I'd like to see in RB3.

-Despite the problems with song creation (which are numerous, believe, to the point of being unprofessional), there nevertheless is a certain joy one takes from going totally wild on the drums for three minutes, then loading it up and trying to play yourself going wild, and FAILING OUT TO YOUR OWN SONG! Evidently even when I play my own attempt at the B.Y.O.B. drum part I still fail, even when I just did it, lol. It's in need of dramatic help (WTF there's only one normal sounding bass despite 30 options of stupid sound effects) but still fun.

-It has stupid animations that nevertheless are strangely satisfying. I've always been a huge fan of cut-scenes, and I kinda wish there was just a hair more unifying structure in Rock Band that gave it just a hair more direction rather than just, "Guy wants you to play a gig. You up for it? Or would you rather play the other guy's gig with nearly the exact same setlist?" I really enjoyed the opening animation for the bass career.

However, here's what irks me:

-Despite claims of a "comparable" setlist, for the most part the charts were far simpler. The jump from painfully simple to obnoxiously difficult is also quite sudden. Guitar Hero: World Tour rarely hits that sweet spot of playing challenging songs that are still fun. Some songs were dramatically overhyped: Schism, while indeed fun, is incredibly problematic since the hardest part of the song is right at the very end, meaning beating it on expert means waiting through the first five minutes of song to get to the challenging part.

-Despite claims of "cross-functionality", this means nothing with the way the drums are charted on certain songs, like Everlong, Assassin, and one of the Ozzy songs (don't remember which one) where the high-hat is charted to yellow with beats on the red pad. When you're playing at that speed, that sort of transition literally causes physical pain when your sticks collide. I mean, really. I get sore just thinking about it.

-Despite claims of being "more difficult", the difficulty is more stupidly based on the engine than on the real challenge of the songs in some cases, and in other cases the flexibility of the engine takes the enjoyable challenge out of it. The hardest part of B.Y.O.B. is trying to ACTIVATE STAR POWER! That's not the part of the song I want to be hard. And Van Halen looks tricker than it is, because the window is so wide you can play straight sixteenth notes during the triplets and get a perfect score, and play eighth notes during the jazz beats.

-And of course, the hardest part is not really knowing if or how you're messing up if you do. The notes don't explode, they more vanish. And your life bar is in a part of the screen you can only look at when it doesn't matter. Just as you can only activate star power when it doesn't matter.

-I won't even get into the pain of trying to read purple notes in bass songs or the unplayability of vocals on expert.

[TheKrazyKatzzz]

since when were Boston, The ... Weezer, and The Who - considered exclusive to rock band. Boston has a song as dlc on GH now, Disturbed had a song on GH3, and the other bands may eventually.

De facto exclusivity is having song when the other guy doesn't. It doesn't really make a difference if you claim "exclusivity" when Harmonix doesn't need to dramatize exclusivity, it has it through the sheer volume of content its released. Technically I should edit out Boston from my earlier list, since I forgot about that dlc, but I think the point still stands.


When I see hendrix in rockband I'll buy it. Weren't we also suppose to see some sublime and the doors in RB, comon hmx, what's the holdup.

If Guitar Hero: World Tour is indicative of anything, I can honestly live without Sublime and The Doors in Rock Band. I'm a huge fan of both bands, but as far as drums go, they're almost a step below unfun down to downright annoying.

I could probably go for All Along the Watchtower, but I don't want this to turn into the Ultimate Setlist.

[trench762]

Originally Posted by trench762
since when were Boston, The ... Weezer, and The Who - considered exclusive to rock band. Boston has a song as dlc on GH now, Disturbed had a song on GH3, and the other bands may eventually.

this comment was in response to linkstrifeleonhearts comment that hendrix isn't exclusive to GH. And if you wanna count GH1 and 2 which were before the split you could consider a few more bands GH exclusives and take out a few from your list. My biggest complaint with GH bashing is that RB fans seem to take it more personel than HMX ever has, when they are the only ones with the right considering their game was taken over by another company. Which in a way was a great thing b/c now we have 2 great rythem games. I'll admit the sublime song isn't that fun cept maybe singing, but love me 2 times is insanely fun on guitar. Not every song in either game is fun on all instruments.

[TheKrazyKatzzz]

...if you wanna count GH1 and 2 ...you could consider a few more bands GH exclusives and take out a few from your list.

If you can't play it with drums and a mic, I wasn't counting it here.


My biggest complaint with GH bashing is that RB fans seem to take it more personel than HMX ever has...

I wasn't really trying to bash GH here, so much as I was bashing the obnoxious claims about GH that get made, such as in the recent joke of a MSNBC article. As I said, GH:WT is still a better rental than many other great games simply by being a moderately well constructed rhthym game, and renting it is still way more worth it than getting 5 more full price dlc tracks in RB.


Not every song in either game is fun on all instruments.

True, but if I didn't really enjoy something, I'm not going to use it as a point of favor for GH:WT.

It's also worth bearing in mind that I did not include a ridiculous number of bands in favor of Rock Band, and didn't get into some of the more nuanced debates, like whether our selection of four Black Sabbath covers is better than GH:WT's two Ozzy songs.

In fairness to GH:WT, I also haven't downloaded the Metallica album yet, since although it looks fun it would triple the cost of my rental. But that could be perceived as being unfair, since I include a lot of RB dlc in this discussion which I didn't give the benefit of GH:WT.

I said it a few posts again and I'll say it again: Both are great, fun games. But Rock Band's just better, and way better at that.

[tsl141]

Let's face it, Guitar Hero: World Tour wins.

Guitar Hero got Van Halen and Tool. Game over.

This is clearly superior to Rock Band's measly selection of de facto exclusive artists Boston, The Clash, Disturbed, The Grateful Dead, Judas Priest, Megadeth, Motley Crue, Nine Inch Nails, The Offspring, The Pixies, The Police, Queens of the Stone Age, Radiohead, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rush, Stone Temple Pilots, Weezer, and The Who.

Who's heard of Bob Dylan? Kansas? Blue Oyster Cult? Coheed and Cambria? The Rolling Stones? Soundgarden? No one, that's who.

Oh yeah, and AC/DC and The Beatles. Like anyone still listens to them.

Tool. Van Halen. Game over, man. Game over.

And let's not forget Guitar Hero: World Tour's exclusive artists.

There's a whole one Paramore song in Guitar Hero: World Tour. This just knocks Rock Band's two Paramore songs right out of the water.

And let's not forget the Smashing Pumpkins. Guitar Hero: World Tour really delivered here, what with it's non-existant inclusion of Bullet with Butterfly Wings. And the selection just clearly once again outmatches Rock Band's selection. After this weekend, Guitar Hero: World Tour will have a whooping 4 exclusive Smashing Pumpkins songs. I mean, how can Rock Band beat this? By having four better Smashing Pumpkins songs, like Today, Cherub Rock, Zero, and Siva? I think not.

And let's not forget that Guitar Hero: World Tour offers the hardest solo on disc drum song to date: B.Y.O.B. Does Rock Band have twice that number of System of a Down tracks, including System of a Down's spinoff bands? I think not.

I know it is still a close race, what with Guitar Hero: World Tour offering 84 songs for buying its disc, and Rock Band 2 only offering 104, with only 52 more songs for the horrendously expensive charge of 5 dollars to transfer the songs. But who can deny that Guitar Hero: World Tour doesn't triumph, what with it's triumphant offering of one fifth the number of songs on the Rock Band platform. I know you did your best, Harmonix, but offering five times the content of Guitar Hero: World Tour just isn't enough.

It's over Harmonix. Just give up.


You know I don't hate Guitar Hero: World Tour, and that's not what I was going for here. GH:WT is better than a lot of rental games out there, and I can honestly say I enjoyed it more than Dead Space or Civilization Revolution, because let's face it, I'm a sucker for rhthym games.

But I'm not going to beat around the bush, I do think that Rock Band is superior in almost every way.

Here are the things I liked about Guitar Hero: World Tour

-The song selections of Parabola by Tool, Hot for Teacher by Van Halen, Pull Me Under by Dream Theater, La Bamba by Los Lobos, and Assassin by Muse. I want all five of these songs on Rock Band, because they are very fun on drums.

-Guitar Hero: World Tour implemented hats slightly better than Rock Band. It's nice being able to choose a hair style and then add a hat in such a way that doesn't change the hair style.

-Guitar Hero: World Tour is much smoother with Difficulty settings in long playlists. You can switch difficulties 4 songs in to a five song setlist, and it doesn't ask you what you want your difficulty to be every time. It has a bit more memory. This *really* helped, and it's something I'd like to see in RB3.

-Despite the problems with song creation (which are numerous, believe, to the point of being unprofessional), there nevertheless is a certain joy one takes from going totally wild on the drums for three minutes, then loading it up and trying to play yourself going wild, and FAILING OUT TO YOUR OWN SONG! Evidently even when I play my own attempt at the B.Y.O.B. drum part I still fail, even when I just did it, lol. It's in need of dramatic help (WTF there's only one normal sounding bass despite 30 options of stupid sound effects) but still fun.

-It has stupid animations that nevertheless are strangely satisfying. I've always been a huge fan of cut-scenes, and I kinda wish there was just a hair more unifying structure in Rock Band that gave it just a hair more direction rather than just, "Guy wants you to play a gig. You up for it? Or would you rather play the other guy's gig with nearly the exact same setlist?" I really enjoyed the opening animation for the bass career.

However, here's what irks me:

-Despite claims of a "comparable" setlist, for the most part the charts were far simpler. The jump from painfully simple to obnoxiously difficult is also quite sudden. Guitar Hero: World Tour rarely hits that sweet spot of playing challenging songs that are still fun. Some songs were dramatically overhyped: Schism, while indeed fun, is incredibly problematic since the hardest part of the song is right at the very end, meaning beating it on expert means waiting through the first five minutes of song to get to the challenging part.

-Despite claims of "cross-functionality", this means nothing with the way the drums are charted on certain songs, like Everlong, Assassin, and one of the Ozzy songs (don't remember which one) where the high-hat is charted to yellow with beats on the red pad. When you're playing at that speed, that sort of transition literally causes physical pain when your sticks collide. I mean, really. I get sore just thinking about it.

-Despite claims of being "more difficult", the difficulty is more stupidly based on the engine than on the real challenge of the songs in some cases, and in other cases the flexibility of the engine takes the enjoyable challenge out of it. The hardest part of B.Y.O.B. is trying to ACTIVATE STAR POWER! That's not the part of the song I want to be hard. And Van Halen looks tricker than it is, because the window is so wide you can play straight sixteenth notes during the triplets and get a perfect score, and play eighth notes during the jazz beats.

-And of course, the hardest part is not really knowing if or how you're messing up if you do. The notes don't explode, they more vanish. And your life bar is in a part of the screen you can only look at when it doesn't matter. Just as you can only activate star power when it doesn't matter.

-I won't even get into the pain of trying to read purple notes in bass songs or the unplayability of vocals on expert.

You have way too much time on your hands.

[Elegy]

You have way too much time on your hands.

I'm going to assume you read through the entire spiel JUST to comment?

The words "Pot" "Kettle" and "Black" come to mind

[TheVoidMarcos]

I hope everyone realises Kat was being sarcastic.. this is not a littereal post. At least not in my eyes, they typed it with to much (HaHa).

[davidstead]

GH:WT setlist is **** and every band you listed on rock bands list i like and all the bands u sed no one has heard of i have lol so really your just not so knowledgeable on the music department :) RB are reigning supreme and always will :)

[TheVoidMarcos]

Oh I didn't see she posted again..

Well it proves my point I think

[Sveppi]

Bravo Mr. Katzz. Great post :)

[zack10house]

Best Thread Ever

[macamatic]

While I agree with the sentiment of the OP, it was highly biased. World Tour is short on big names compared to Rock Band in reality; why did you feel the need to shorten the list? You left out The Eagles (who ARE exclusive), Ozzy, Jimi Hendrix, Michael Jackson, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Bob Seger, The Doors, Korn, Los Lobos, Motorhead, Pat Benatar, Sting, Sublime, Ted Nugent, Willie Nelson, and Wings, most of which are bigger than a lot of bands you listed for Rock Band. Instead, you focused on things that are never even touted as giving World Tour the advantage.

I applaud the effort, but next time could you please compare realities?

[Colt_Steele]

Oh and don't forget what Brian Bright said "WE HAVE MIDI!!!"
Midi is the new Blu-Ray.

[BigMonkE]

Successful troll is successful. (http://i37.tinypic.com/2zf3ex4.jpg)

[jacobB12`]

GH:WT setlist is **** and every band you listed on rock bands list i like and all the bands u sed no one has heard of i have lol so really your just not so knowledgeable on the music department :) RB are reigning supreme and always will :)

No one has ever heard of Tool :eek: where have you been, Tool is one of the best bands around today.

[kiggidykev]

Midi is the new Blu-Ray.

Cellphones are hot right now. As a result, cellphone ringtones that use midis are very hot as well, with many companies selling them for a substantial profit.

Ergo, it only makes sense that Activision would want to offer us consumers midi. It's clearly the money-making way of the future.

[Ferocious Q]

This is clearly superior to Rock Band's measly selection of de facto exclusive artists Boston, The Clash, Disturbed, The Grateful Dead, Judas Priest, Megadeth, Motley Crue, Nine Inch Nails, The Offspring, The Pixies, The Police, Queens of the Stone Age, Radiohead, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rush, Stone Temple Pilots, Weezer, and The Who.

Who's heard of Bob Dylan? Kansas? Blue Oyster Cult? Coheed and Cambria? The Rolling Stones? Soundgarden? No one, that's who.

Oh yeah, and AC/DC and The Beatles. Like anyone still listens to them.



Me and my friends are only 14 but we've heard of all the musicians you mentioned... my best friend is obsessed with the beatles and bob dylan... i love nine inch nails and soundgarden... playing rock band actually made my friends learn to accept Rush and Weezer...

what you said is total balls.

[jacobB12`]

Me and my friends are only 14 but we've heard of all the musicians you mentioned... my best friend is obsessed with the beatles and bob dylan... i love nine inch nails and soundgarden... playing rock band actually made my friends learn to accept Rush and Weezer...

what you said is total balls.

Did you not read the whole thread?

[KitZune]

Wait... were you being sarcastic?


OOOoooohhhhhhh... I get it now. : D.
Clever.

[Chief Stubbs]

While I agree with the sentiment of the OP, it was highly biased. World Tour is short on big names compared to Rock Band in reality; why did you feel the need to shorten the list? You left out The Eagles (who ARE exclusive), Ozzy, Jimi Hendrix, Michael Jackson, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Bob Seger, The Doors, Korn, Los Lobos, Motorhead, Pat Benatar, Sting, Sublime, Ted Nugent, Willie Nelson, and Wings, most of which are bigger than a lot of bands you listed for Rock Band. Instead, you focused on things that are never even touted as giving World Tour the advantage.

I applaud the effort, but next time could you please compare realities?
Rock Band has Black Sabbath, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Motorhead, and The Police, so all those guys balance out. As for the others, Rock Band still has a larger number of de facto exclusives.

Also, Ferocious Q: You hear that wooshing sound above your head?

[topperharley]

Both games have their strengths and their flaws. I just personally prefer RB. One, I think the note charts are more fun and have a much cleaner look to them. And two, it does a much better job of creating the feel of being in a band, rocking out on stage.

As for exclusives, I would love it if there weren't any, on either side. As of right now, there's plenty of market for both franchises. Artists should realize that not everyone is going to buy both games, so releasing their music on both games is only going to benefit them, in terms of exposure to new fans and in terms of royalties.


You have way too much time on your hands.

And you need to learn that people who quote not one, but two huge posts, in their entirety, just to make a lazy, one line comment, are incredibly ****ing annoying.

[macamatic]

Rock Band has Black Sabbath, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Motorhead, and The Police, so all those guys balance out. As for the others, Rock Band still has a larger number of de facto exclusives.
I know about Black Sabbath, but they're covers and I would consider them separate strengths. Ozzy's solo band is totally different from Sabbath. I didn't know about the other three. And I never said Rock Band didn't have more; hell, I said it did. It just pisses me off when people use excessive meiosis to attempt to add validity to their position. Now, granted, in this case it didn't rely on it to actually be a valid argument (e.g. "there are six Mac users in the world", "the PS3 costs $1000"), but it's the principle of the thing. Intelligence and exclusion of significant information don't exactly mesh well.

[trench762]

macomatic beat me too it, the op left out tons of bands by HIS standards are exclusive to GH. Let's just call this thread what it is. An attempt to make RB fanboys laugh, which I'm sure you succeeded, good one.

[Rock_Starman]

I'll just comment on this part...



And let's not forget the Smashing Pumpkins. Guitar Hero: World Tour really delivered here, what with it's non-existant inclusion of Bullet with Butterfly Wings. And the selection just clearly once again outmatches Rock Band's selection. After this weekend, Guitar Hero: World Tour will have a whooping 4 exclusive Smashing Pumpkins songs. I mean, how can Rock Band beat this? By having four better Smashing Pumpkins songs, like Today, Cherub Rock, Zero, and Siva? I think not.

...I think you've rather messed up here.

[Xaris3514]

-I won't even get into the pain of trying to read purple notes in bass songs or the unplayability of vocals on expert.

You know, I have never understood this one. I mainly play bass and I have no problem what-so-ever with reading the open note. I never have.

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

since when were Boston, The Clash, Disturbed, The Grateful Dead, Judas Priest, Megadeth, Motley Crue, Nine Inch Nails, The Offspring, The Pixies, The Police, Queens of the Stone Age, Radiohead, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rush, Stone Temple Pilots, Weezer, and The Who - considered exclusive to rock band. Boston has a song as dlc on GH now, Disturbed had a song on GH3, and the other bands may eventually. I might consider Rush and the grateful dead exclusive, and rush is a great exclusive band, but w/e like I said, I don't care anymore. When I see hendrix in rockband I'll buy it. Weren't we also suppose to see some sublime and the doors in RB, comon hmx, what's the holdup.

I, personally, don't recall ever saying that. I just wanted to know whether Henddrix was exclusive or not since for about a month I wasn't keeping up with the news on that front. Sure, your post answers my question but in a way that wasn't warranted at all.

And also, I think you summarized this topic well with this post. In fact, let me point out the line which seals it...


...and the other bands may eventually.

Seems it goes both ways, yes? Which may be the point the OP was trying to make.

[benson111]

Krazy, let me just say this. Best Post EVER! I feel mostly the same way, althout they both have there strong/weak points. RB just does it right.

:D

[AeroZeppelinSevenfold]

I love this thread.

[greenalien]

hey guys forgot the biggest band exclusive for GH METALLICA

[andrewyamo]

Guitar Hero also has Michael Jackson, The Eagles, Filter, 311, BLS, Ozzy Osbourne, Jimi Hendrix, Pat Benetar, The Mars Volta, At The Drive In, NOFX,
Wings, Willie Nelson and many more.

Just to inform you.

[greenalien]

any rummors about the Bullet with butterfly wings coming to GH

[Aragha]

I thoroughly enjoyed the OP. Thank you :D


hey guys forgot the biggest band exclusive for GH METALLICA

'Tis unknown if Metallica is exclusive. lulz.

[Krezin]

Who's heard of Bob Dylan? Kansas? Blue Oyster Cult? Coheed and Cambria? The Rolling Stones? Soundgarden? No one, that's who.

Oh yeah, and AC/DC and The Beatles. Like anyone still listens to them.

Are you friggin' dutarded (<-don't ask)!? This is like a joke thread... Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, and Coheed and Cambria? Those are hecka famous! Maybe not Coheed... But GHWT has about 9 RB songs, so they're posers. AC/DC are still popular, that's like saying no one listens to Iron Maiden, and there are still a lot of Beatles fans. My friend is a Blue Oyster Cult fan, and I went to one of their concerts, along with like, five hundred peeps, and I saw like a 4 year old yelling "GODZILLA!!!" (one of their songs). When GH "steals" songs, i call it desperate, when RB "steals" songs, I call it satisfying my needs, because I will only buy RB. Call me a fanboy, I don't care.

[TheKrazyKatzzz]

...I think you've rather messed up here.

Bullet was advertised as being included with the GH:WT disc, and it wasn't there. For me (and I think many Pumpkins fans) this was a huge selling point, and when I realized it wasn't going to be there, that was a big letdown. In early press releases it was one of the top listed songs, example: http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/05/stuff-magazine-reveals-new-guitar-hero-world-tour-tracks/

It's replacement with Today never came with any explanation, and I'm still wondering what ever happened to bullet.

As for Metallica being "exclusive", not really too exclusive when we already have 5 of their songs across all of their albums, is it?

And as for other bands, bear in mind I omitted something like 50 bands on Rock Band that I just didn't feel were worth cluttering up my post, just as I left off half a dozen bands on GH:WT. In both cases, I omitted bands that I either felt weren't strong selling points or weren't as fun as the other bands I listed.

I am biased toward only listing songs that I personally enjoyed playing. As I mentioned before, I'm not going to list The Mother Hips as a point in favor of Rock Band if I didn't download those tracks and therefore didn't enjoy them, and I'm not going to use Michael Jackson as a point of favor for GH when I thought that was perhaps the most tedious drum chart of any game ever (which quite frankly I do feel is the case).


You know, I have never understood this one. I mainly play bass and I have no problem what-so-ever with reading the open note. I never have.

I was really surprised that I didn't have a problem with it for drums. But, when I was playing bass, the first song I actually thought it was really cool. By the second song I was sick of it though. I think that it's more impactful if you're less skilled of a player. You're probably a better bass player than me so it probably bothered you less as you went on.


You have way too much time on your hands.

Ah, your point is proven. Your point being that no one should ever spend time to effectively communicate the point they're trying to make or respond to criticism raised. Well, I guess you succeeded at that. Serving by example, no doubt.

[toymachineSH]

playing the whole Tool venue is like a visual/audio/tactile orgasm for me and my friends but not a bad post OP >_>

[benson111]

Who's heard of Bob Dylan? Kansas? Blue Oyster Cult? Coheed and Cambria? The Rolling Stones? Soundgarden? No one, that's who.

Oh yeah, and AC/DC and The Beatles. Like anyone still listens to them.

Are you friggin' dutarded (<-don't ask)!? This is like a joke thread... Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, and Coheed and Cambria? Those are hecka famous! Maybe not Coheed... But GHWT has about 9 RB songs, so they're. AC/DC are still popular, that's like saying no one listens to Iron Maiden, and there are still a lot of Beatles fans. My friend is a Blue Oyster Cult fan, and I went to one of their concerts, along with like, five hundred peeps, and I saw like a 4 year old yelling "GODZILLA!!!" (one of their songs). When GH "steals" songs, i call it desperate, when RB "steals" songs, I call it satisfying my needs, because I will only buy RB. Call me a fanboy, I don't care.

Really? You took this srsly? Wow chill pills are a free drug at walmart now. :rolleyes:

[afterstasis]

playing the whole Tool venue is like a visual/audio/tactile orgasm for me and my friends but not a bad post OP >_>

just give it up, toymachine! your fun is unclean and indecent!

why, i bet you'll go blind if you don't give it up soon!

[toymachineSH]

is that a masturbation reference or a dig at the ****ty UI
XD

[afterstasis]

is that a masturbation reference or a dig at the ****ty UI
XD

well, i was just talking about the heidi klum commercial, but if you're willing to spill your guts on more controversial subjects then have at it. :)

[Firepenguin99]

Rock Band has Black Sabbath, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Motorhead, and The Police, so all those guys balance out. As for the others, Rock Band still has a larger number of de facto exclusives.

Not to mention that The Doors have said in the forums of their site that they will be coming to Rock Band, and the bands are usually right on things such as that.

[Rock_Starman]

Bullet was advertised as being included with the GH:WT disc, and it wasn't there. For me (and I think many Pumpkins fans) this was a huge selling point, and when I realized it wasn't going to be there, that was a big letdown. In early press releases it was one of the top listed songs, example: http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/05/stuff-magazine-reveals-new-guitar-hero-world-tour-tracks/

It's replacement with Today never came with any explanation, and I'm still wondering what ever happened to bullet.

Of course it didn't,Stuff magazine isn't Activision therefore the annoucement isn't offical,Light My Fire isn't there either. Though if you want to go there,there's been no explanation as to what happend to Supernaut,Fuel and Wrathchlid wich were unoffically announced for RB in a magazine. :rolleyes:

Though I was actually getting at RB not having it either and saying it has 4 better songs when 2 of the songs are the same. :)

[TheKrazyKatzzz]

Of course it didn't,Stuff magazine isn't Activision therefore the annoucement isn't offical,Light My Fire isn't there either. Though if you want to go there,there's been no explanation as to what happend to Supernaut,Fuel and Wrathchlid wich were unoffically announced for RB in a magazine. :rolleyes:


Not having something on the disc is different than not having something released on time for dlc. BWBW was used as one of the key examples of how, when the same band was in both games (RB2 and GH:WT) but with different songs, GH:WT was supposed to win. But then they didn't follow through on that. Instead we just got more of the same.



Though I was actually getting at RB not having it either and saying it has 4 better songs when 2 of the songs are the same. :)

2? Only one is the same.

GH: Today, 1979, G.L.O.W., and The Everlasting Gaze.

RB: Today, Cherub Rock, Siva, and Zero.

[FelipeSah]

Let's face it, Guitar Hero: World Tour wins.

Guitar Hero got Van Halen and Tool. Game over.

-- Orly. So, 4 songs are gonna totally change the game, yeah, right. Tool's songs aren't even nearly fun to play on Guitar Hero, and Van Halen's Hot For Teacher is kinda easy, except for the start. And not fun.

This is clearly superior to Rock Band's measly selection of de facto exclusive artists Boston, The Clash, Disturbed, The Grateful Dead, Judas Priest, Megadeth, Motley Crue, Nine Inch Nails, The Offspring, The Pixies, The Police, Queens of the Stone Age, Radiohead, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rush, Stone Temple Pilots, Weezer, and The Who.

-- Righttt.. Rush, Disturbed, Radiohead, Red Hot Chili Peppers, JUDAS PRIEST, Offspring.. nobody wanted these on a GH game.. ever.. Van Halen and Tool totally rock all these bands together.

Who's heard of Bob Dylan? Kansas? Blue Oyster Cult? Coheed and Cambria? The Rolling Stones? Soundgarden? No one, that's who.

-- Are you on drugs? Kansas, Blue Oyster Cult, all have classic songs. Everyone knows them. Also..

ROLLING STONES? WHAT THE HELL? If you don't know Rolling Stones, just quit listening to music. Just kill yourself

Oh yeah, and AC/DC and The Beatles. Like anyone still listens to them.

-- Err.. Everyone still listens to AC/DC and Beatles. Where have you been all the time? High School Musical fan forums?

Tool. Van Halen. Game over, man. Game over.

-- 4 songs. None fun

And let's not forget Guitar Hero: World Tour's exclusive artists.

-- Because Rock Band doesn't have them. Boston, The Clash, Disturbed, The Grateful Dead, Judas Priest, Megadeth, Motley Crue, Nine Inch Nails, The Offspring, The Pixies, The Police, Queens of the Stone Age, Radiohead, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rush, Stone Temple Pilots, Weezer, and The Who, those are a lie!

There's a whole one Paramore song in Guitar Hero: World Tour. This just knocks Rock Band's two Paramore songs right out of the water.

-- Because Paramore is totally fun on Guitar Hero games

And let's not forget the Smashing Pumpkins. Guitar Hero: World Tour really delivered here, what with it's non-existant inclusion of Bullet with Butterfly Wings. And the selection just clearly once again outmatches Rock Band's selection. After this weekend, Guitar Hero: World Tour will have a whooping 4 exclusive Smashing Pumpkins songs. I mean, how can Rock Band beat this? By having four better Smashing Pumpkins songs, like Today, Cherub Rock, Zero, and Siva? I think not.

-- Ohhh, COME ON. You're saying GH:WT is better because of 4 songs? Again?

And let's not forget that Guitar Hero: World Tour offers the hardest solo on disc drum song to date: B.Y.O.B. Does Rock Band have twice that number of System of a Down tracks, including System of a Down's spinoff bands? I think not.

-- Another song complaint. No one cares

I know it is still a close race, what with Guitar Hero: World Tour offering 84 songs for buying its disc, and Rock Band 2 only offering 104, with only 52 more songs for the horrendously expensive charge of 5 dollars to transfer the songs. But who can deny that Guitar Hero: World Tour doesn't triumph, what with it's triumphant offering of one fifth the number of songs on the Rock Band platform. I know you did your best, Harmonix, but offering five times the content of Guitar Hero: World Tour just isn't enough.

-- It is, actually, a lot more than enough. In quality AND quantity.

It's over Harmonix. Just give up.

-- lolwut

Done. I've replied to all your arguments. Oh, looks like you forgot something important, engine and graphics. You can't have a game without these, can you?

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/31/176369-guitar_hero_world_tour___rebel_yell_super.jpg

This is Guitar Hero: World Tour, where you to wait until the end of the song to see if you did well or not in a song. It is nearly impossible for me to see my streak or multiplier on songs. Everything is so hard to see, hard on the eyes. Also, look at the notes.

Also, vocals. I got GH:WT and cannot pass L'Via L'Viaquez on vocals on expert, and I have been listening to that song for almost 3 years. I swear I'm singing exactly like the real song. I've FC'd almost ALL vocals setlist on Rock Band 2.

http://karskens.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/800px-rock-band-screen.jpg

This is Rock Band. I can see my multiplier easily and so my overdrive meter. I don't know how many times I've tried to activate star power on GH:WT and it didn't work because I didn't whammy enough, yet the star power light bulbs were telling me "HEY, ACTIVATE ME ALREADY".

Also, the songs. Half of the songs featured on GH:WT are on Rock Band 2. Maybe more than half. I know Rock Band 1 did get loads of songs from GH3, but not nearly as much. One more thing, just so I can finish this post. The song selector on quickplay. It takes me AGES to select the song I want, I don't want to hold my strumbar for ages until I reach the song. On Rock Band 2 I can just press the yellow button and cycle through difficulty, etc. Give up, Neversoft.

Also, if I failed to see sarcasm in your post, I'm really sorry. ):

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

Also, if I failed to see sarcasm in your post, I'm really sorry. ):

Yeah, you really did fail to see the sarcasm. Completely. But hey, good effort nonetheless!

[FelipeSah]

Yeah, you really did fail to see the sarcasm. Completely. But hey, good effort nonetheless!

Oh, wow >_>

[TheKrazyKatzzz]

FelipeSah, your post makes me smile.

[Rock_Starman]

I was counting Cherub Rock in GH 3. :p

[TheKrazyKatzzz]

I was counting Cherub Rock in GH 3. :p

Yeah, I know... but why? Why would you do that? I could include the cover of Free Bird from Guitar Hero: 2 as a point in favor of Harmonix, but this was never a comparison between Harmonix and Activision, this was a comparison between Rock Band 2 and Guitar Hero: World Tour, the current iteration. The only reason I include songs from Rock Band is because of backward compatibility. Guitar Hero: World Tour has none with Guitar Hero: 3 other than Death Magnetic, so it makes no sense to include songs from Guitar Hero: 3 as points in favor of Guitar Hero: World Tour. That would be like using features of Windows XP as points in favor of Vista.

[PeaceSells]

Yeah, I know... but why? Why would you do that? I could include the cover of Free Bird from Guitar Hero: 2 as a point in favor of Harmonix, but this was never a comparison between Harmonix and Activision, this was a comparison between Rock Band 2 and Guitar Hero: World Tour, the current iteration. The only reason I include songs from Rock Band is because of backward compatibility. Guitar Hero: World Tour has none with Guitar Hero: 3 other than Death Magnetic, so it makes no sense to include songs from Guitar Hero: 3 as points in favor of Guitar Hero: World Tour. That would be like using features of Windows XP as points in favor of Vista.
Owned homie

sorry i had to

[HappyCat]

GB is winning because of brand name, more mainstream songs and NON EXISTENT ADVERTISING


MTV is one of the most well known companies in the WORLD

so why is it not using its name to advertise? sure in America it did but I've seen absolutely nothing in Australia, I've seen nothing online in England or anything

yet GH is everywhere, its promoted everywhere

.

[TheKrazyKatzzz]

Yeah this is true. It seems like they mostly rely on word of mouth to spread their sales.

Like, what if they had a TV Spot just for DLC? Get the Foo Fighters, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Judas Priest, in a TV spot, and say: "Did you ever want to play The Colour and The Shape? Well, YOU CAN!"

There was that McDonald's promotion a while back, but was there ever a TV spot for it? A radio spot? Anything?

If Harmonix had the advertising finesse of Activision, they would be skooling Activision all over main street.

[Xaris3514]

I was really surprised that I didn't have a problem with it for drums. But, when I was playing bass, the first song I actually thought it was really cool. By the second song I was sick of it though. I think that it's more impactful if you're less skilled of a player. You're probably a better bass player than me so it probably bothered you less as you went on.

Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Its kinda funny because the only problem I had with it before trying it was that it looked kinda awkward for some reason. After trying it, it was much less awkward than I anticipated and, in fact, quite fun. Hell, its a feature I hope Harmonix incorporates eventually.

But I'm off the point. You bring up a good point that its probably less of a big deal if you know more of the instrument. It definitely makes playing bass more realistic, too.

[DeadManDrumming]

GH:WT Vs. RB: Hmmm I have truthfully played both and like both....to a point.

RB: Pros:
1. Good charting.
2. Awesome staff (even EA with returns etc)
3. True Weekly DLC
4. ACDC/beetles. Can you say win?
5. Unrivaled graphics.
6. Durable instruments.

Cons:
1. Crappy advertising.
2. No cymbal charting (sorry but GH:WT drums ARE fun with the charts).
3. Guitar isn't innovative. (could of added something ala GH)

GH:WT: Pros:
1. Drums (cymbal charting).
2. Guitar slider is fun to use.
3. At least an attempt at music maker.
4. They did a awesome job with cross capability charting (RB drums/GH:WT drums) IMO.
5. Good charts from what I played.

Cons:
1. Drums are horrid in durability. Our neighbors Red pad broke after about 2 weeks and I only went over to play expert two of those days....
2. Horrid graphics. (come on 360 isn't a Wii)
3. All old DLC is 100% useless. Great job Activision way to crap down your consumers throat for keeping with GH:3.

Conclusion:
After playing both and surprisingly likeing both RB/GH. I can now say RB wins....by the skin of their teeth. The drums in GH:WT are great to play and hugely fun! BUT with the pad breaking quicker than my RB1 stock kit that knocked it WAY down my list. Toss in bad graphics and RB wins this.

[Hypnozia]

You forgot to mention that GT:WT has KFC on their side. Seriously, nothing can rock harder than the ultimate power of artery clogging chicken.


Had me laughin'

[macamatic]

features of Windows XP
Wait, WHAT?!?

[kiggidykev]

I was just thinking of something from before GH:WT's launch. Remember when it was being hyped before release and they had all those famous drummers playing on their drum kit? If I recall, it was The Police's Stewart Copeland, Chili Peppers' Chad Smith, and Blink's Travis Barker..

What was making me laugh a bit was, they don't even have any Police or Chili Peppers songs in the game, do they?

[Xaris3514]

I was just thinking of something from before GH:WT's launch. Remember when it was being hyped before release and they had all those famous drummers playing on their drum kit? If I recall, it was The Police's Stewart Copeland, Chili Peppers' Chad Smith, and Blink's Travis Barker..

What was making me laugh a bit was, they don't even have any Police or Chili Peppers songs in the game, do they?

No, but they do have a Sting song.

[TheClashTheClashTheClash]

You just said its not big deal that HMX has The Clash, I beg to differ

And I'm sorry AC/DC>Van Halen + Tool

[Captain Zepp 07]

You forgot to mention that GT:WT has KFC on their side. Seriously, nothing can rock harder than the ultimate power of artery clogging chicken.

This post makes this thread complete, hands down.

But seriously, that was a lot of reading (Hooked on Phonics failed me), still nice.

Bob Dylan > Bob Seger
Mastodon > Tool
Jethro Tull > Jimi Hendrix
Grateful Dead > The Doors
Bad Company > Eagles
Journey > Van Halen

Looks like GH is betting on the wrong horse in my book

[macamatic]

Jethro Tull > Jimi Hendrix
You're just asking for trouble, aren't you?

In any case, while I realize this is all your opinion, I'd have to say you're in the minority on many to all of those, so I'm not sure exactly which "wrong horse" you think they're betting on. Are you seriously saying Jethro Tull and Mastodon are bigger draws than Jimi Hendrix and Tool (respectively)? Because if you are...I'm sorry, but you're an idiot.


No, but they do have a Sting song.
It's actually a Police song; Sting just re-recorded it without the rest of the band.