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Mad Dogg
11-24-2007, 12:13 AM
This is a question with regards to later down the line for the game. It seems like the plan for Rock Band is to have weekly DLC and I imagine within a few months that many of us will have a ton of extra content in the game that suits our tastes.

My question is whether it would be feasible a few months down the line to release a patch that allows us to delete or at least disable some of the songs included with the game from appearing in BWT. I realize that the game offers a good variety of different genres out of the box. But if I'm playing BWT a couple months from now and I have to play that god awful Fallout Boy or Maps song again I think I will completely snap.

Once there is enough content up and available I think it would be great if we were given the option to fully customize the game to our tastes by disabling songs that we have zero interest in playing.

seafisch
11-24-2007, 12:20 AM
Hey, there's nothing wrong with Maps. On drums, anyway - that song has a sweet drum beat, I think. I'm with you on Fall Out Boy, though - not a fan.

Mad Dogg
11-24-2007, 12:27 AM
Hey, there's nothing wrong with Maps. On drums, anyway - that song has a sweet drum beat, I think. I'm with you on Fall Out Boy, though - not a fan.

Yeah Maps came up the other night when we were playing. I was playing drums and although I didn't know the song at all I still had some fun playing the beat of it. But my friends where falling asleep playing the rest of it.

But the point of the thread isn't what songs should be deleted/disabled it's just that it would be nice to be given the option to not have to play some of the songs that don't suit our personal tastes. If we spend another $50 to $100 on DLC songs that we actually want to play it would be great if we could disable the ones that we don't want to play.

chaopolis
11-24-2007, 12:34 AM
I'd just prefer to not play In Bloom for a 57th time.

Nothing wrong with the song, but....

wumarkus
11-24-2007, 12:57 AM
agreed. putting fall out boy on this setlist almost makes me want to throw the game into a bonfire.

Mad Dogg
11-24-2007, 02:20 AM
I didn't intend for this thread to turn into a bashing of Fallout Boy but the sentiment others are iterating is that they don't want to have to play this song in BWT mode.

In the future when I've downloaded enough tracks I would love to be able to take this song off of BWT mode as well as several others. It really sucks when I've got a room full of friends and we just finish three or four awesome and fun songs that we all love and know. Suddenly some song we don't care about or absolutely hates come up. It completely kills the fun we were having when we have to suffer through playing a song that we would never ever listen to if given the choice.

Perhaps this patch could only be offered to people that have downloaded a certain amount of DLC and there should probably be some kind of limit on the number of songs that you can disable. Maybe if we're allowed the option to disable one originally included song from BWT with every 2 or 3 songs we download. It would add an extra incentive to purchase the DLC and would make things a lot more enjoyable for everyone as they'd be able to completely customize the game to their individual tastes.

I definitely think though that ALL of the bonus songs should be optional in BWT mode. As much as I hate playing Fallout Boy or OK Go I hate it even more when Honest Bob and the Factory to Dealer Incentives comes up in a setlist.

I also think future versions of Rock Band should look into allowing players to chose what songs they get with the original game. For instance they could license something like 60-75 songs for the initial release and the purchase of the game would allow you to choose 40-50 songs from that list. That way you can still cater to a wide array of musical tastes without forcing people to play songs that they have zero interest in playing or even having to listen to.

Hanover
11-24-2007, 02:34 AM
I agree! Green Grass and High Tides is only fun for the guitarist. Otherwise its about 8 minutes of monotony for everyone else. I can do the drum beat in my sleep and I've actually "zoned out" while playing it...daydreaming about better songs. We would love the option not to play it.

In fact, a "Set List Editor" would be awesome! "Create-a-Concert" mode!

Ultrace
11-24-2007, 02:58 AM
Whether you like it or not, Fall Out Boy is a part of the game as the designers made it. It should no more be disabled from the BWT as a song in GH (I'm looking at you, Freya) would be removed from your setlists if you downloaded a bunch. This is really no different than having a level in a game that you don't like (darn that boring lava level!) and wanting it removed. The good news is that as you do download more songs, the odds of ones like Fall Out Boy appearing in random setlists should decrease.

bounchfx
11-24-2007, 03:08 AM
would it really kill you guys to actually enjoy the song?

I mean, hell. I'm not a fan of the killers, or fall out boy, or coheed, but when those songs come on I rock the hell out and enjoy myself. Especially the Coheed song, that song is bad ass. People complain too much.

but I agree about being able to take some songs out of the lineup. I've heard In Bloom way too much :\

Fatal1ty_Reaper
11-24-2007, 03:30 AM
I agree with the TC, we should be able to do this. But then what is to stop boring players from just removing any songs they suck at from the setlist just so they can get achievements easily? This particular argument is the only flaw in the TCs reasoning. Unless we can think of a workaround to that issue.

Mad Dogg
11-24-2007, 03:35 AM
Whether you like it or not, Fall Out Boy is a part of the game as the designers made it. It should no more be disabled from the BWT as a song in GH (I'm looking at you, Freya) would be removed from your setlists if you downloaded a bunch. This is really no different than having a level in a game that you don't like (darn that boring lava level!) and wanting it removed.

I completely see where you're coming from I here and I totally agree to an extent. In most games asking for the option to remove levels that don't like is asinine. But this is not a traditional game at all. I didn't buy rock band so that I could five star every song and grind my why through unenjoyable tracks. I bought it so I could have a great time with friends playing along with great songs that we all enjoy.

The hype around Rock Band is that it is supposed to be the next stage in the evolution of music. In previews and interviews about the game I've read they say that one day they would like to see artists put out albums/songs in this format as well as traditional CD's. If this is the direction they plan on going then I really think they should allow us to disable songs from BWT.

If you went out and bought a CD with 12 tracks on it but only liked 8 of them you have the choice to skip the other 4 when they come up and not listen to them. You're CD player doesn't force you to listen to every song on the CD.

I hope to see the game eventually evolve through DLC to the point where it will be my personal play along juke-box with a great number of songs to play through. I would prefer to not have to suffer through songs that I don't enjoy.

seafisch
11-24-2007, 03:37 AM
As much as I hate playing Fallout Boy ... I hate it even more when Honest Bob and the Factory to Dealer Incentives comes up in a setlist.

Me too. Although it does sorta recreate the idea of having to play a song you're not keen on because the fans want to hear it. Still, the option to "turn off" songs would be nice.

Mad Dogg
11-24-2007, 03:49 AM
I agree with the TC, we should be able to do this. But then what is to stop boring players from just removing any songs they suck at from the setlist just so they can get achievements easily? This particular argument is the only flaw in the TCs reasoning. Unless we can think of a workaround to that issue.

This was in the back of my mind as I made the thread but I didn't go into this issue at all. I can't really think of a workaround except to limit the number of songs you can disable which admittidely only solves part of the problem.

But couldn't somone only download the most easy to play songs from the DLC giving them a disproportionate number of easy songs to play in BWT. This poses a problem as well in that regards.

I may not speak for the majority here but if there is a song that I like in the game that is difficult I would work my ass off at mastering it instead of disabling it. By the same token an easy song that I found painful to the ears would be an early candidate for my disable list.

Lame people will always find ways to exploit or workaround the design of a game to get a higher rankings on a leaderboard or unlock achievements. I think the fun of the game for everyone playing it should take precedence over a small number of gamers that would rather exploit the design of a game to make themselves feel more important. These people are just going to find other ways to work around the game (downloading only easy to play songs) anyways.

Micker
11-24-2007, 03:51 AM
You should be able to skip songs or disable songs, 100% no question. It would make the GAME much more FUN. I think everyone would like this. My wife doesn't really like songs like blackened etc. and some of those alt rock crapy songs that are included, I don't really want to play over and over again. Even songs I like, I don't want to get sick of by playing them all the time.

I couldn't believe that the game didn't allow you to skip songs or remove them from the list. This would be a HUGE plus for the game and allow people to enjoy playing what they want to, like a real rock band.

Malev0lent
11-24-2007, 05:30 AM
I would agree, however I think you need to realize that this is what cover bands are payed to do. They play all kinds of crap they hate, but it's what the crowd wants to hear. If people in London can't get enough of Nirvana's In Bloom a thousand times, then thats what you'll get payed to play.

It is just a game yes, but reprogramming all the different venues to have different songs would be one huge patch, and not worth the programmers' time and money. And if you alter the random set list pool, it's not as challenging.

Really, I think this would be a nice feature, but there's only so many things you can do with patches, and I'd rather see things like the fan cap being removed than this. Just make your own set lists and pick your favorite songs.

batsu336
11-24-2007, 06:07 AM
Hmm...
My band plays covers we don't always care for, because we know it is a good song for where we are going to play. But we also switch out some songs that we just can't stand playing anymore. We have to keep a certain number of songs in our set so we are not finished playing too early.
With that in mind, I think switching songs out while still having to keep a minimum number of tunes is a good idea. It would also be a sort of reward for those who shell out extra $ for the DLC. If you have to keep a minimum of 45 songs enabled, that would be a good compromise. For those without XBox Live, you can switch out with the bonus tracks as you unlock them. Those with Live could download and switch out at will.

ibender
11-28-2007, 05:36 AM
I didn't intend for this thread to turn into a bashing of Fallout Boy

it wouldn't have happened if fallout boy didn't suck so bad

Maggot_Brain
11-28-2007, 06:08 AM
Whether you like it or not, Fall Out Boy is a part of the game as the designers made it. It should no more be disabled from the BWT as a song in GH (I'm looking at you, Freya) would be removed from your setlists if you downloaded a bunch.

Ha! I bet that was the "MTV" influence. I'd delete that crappy tune in a heartbeat.

Comedian
11-28-2007, 06:12 AM
I'd like to see several options like this added to Rock Band, or at least into Rock Band 2:


The ability to rate songs from 1 star (never select this song randomly) to 5 stars (select this song much more often)
The ability to create unlimited length playlists (for example, when Who's Next comes out I'd like to play it as one continous set)
The ability to save playlists and then play from them either entirely, or as a random selection of 'x' songs (i.e. play all the songs in genre Metal, or with artist Nirvana, or give me three random songs from the playlist Songs My Girlfriend Will Play)

If comparing rankings on the BWT leaderboard is a concern for this, then maybe these options can just be put into a Rock Band Jukebox area instead. Although I really like having the tour wrapper around the game, with increasing fan totals and money.

There's tons of possible options like this, and I'm looking forward to seeing where Harmonix takes this franchise in the future.

Dekelia
11-28-2007, 06:42 AM
I'd like to see several options like this added to Rock Band, or at least into Rock Band 2:


The ability to rate songs from 1 star (never select this song randomly) to 5 stars (select this song much more often)
The ability to create unlimited length playlists (for example, when Who's Next comes out I'd like to play it as one continous set)
The ability to save playlists and then play from them either entirely, or as a random selection of 'x' songs (i.e. play all the songs in genre Metal, or with artist Nirvana, or give me three random songs from the playlist Songs My Girlfriend Will Play)



I love these ideas.

I wouldn't even worry about people trying to make BWT easier to get more achievements. If they do...so what. That would be a very small thing compared to the increase in fun these kinds of options would provide.

"Songs My Girlfriend Will Play"...lol...I so get THAT!

tbradshaw
11-28-2007, 06:47 AM
I thought this too as soon as songs from the Metallica three pack showed up in a random set list. Our four band members were all geared up to go, playing at our top potential difficulty wise. The song came up and we all just went, "Oh ****."

I've purchased every single song that has hit XBox Live (and intend to keep doing so), but for a moment I thought, "Maybe I shouldn't have bought that one yet until everyone has more practice."

I guess the real question is: "Mystery set lists are balanced the way that the developers wanted them to be balanced for release. But are they going to stay balanced with all of the Downloadable Content? Could I please turn off DLC for random selections to try and retain that balance myself?"

Credge
11-28-2007, 06:50 AM
would it really kill you guys to actually enjoy the song?

You can't enjoy things you don't like. It's much like saying "Would it really kill you guys to actually enjoy smelling bad things?" No. It won't. I'm not going to stay around a bad smell if I don't have to.

The point is that songs like Maps, the Coheed and Cambria song, and the Fall Out Boy tune are simply boring, uninspired, thin sounding (minus Coheed and Cambria, but his voice is terrible... and yes, I hate Rush), monotonous, uneventful blink-182-inspired snooze-athons. I'd much rather stab myself in the eye than play these songs.

tbradshaw
11-28-2007, 06:52 AM
Please avoid turning this thread into a music preference debate. I'll have to close/move it.

Grog Munki
11-28-2007, 07:06 AM
I'd LOVE this feature... especially the "Rate the song 1 to 5" idea that the more stars you give it, the more weight it will have in random selections.

Honestly, most of the achievements aren't THAT hard to get... and for the big ones like Platinum Artist you still HAVE to play on expert or something.

While I really like some of the 'easier' songs you really end up playing things like Say it Ain't So, I Think I'm Paranoid, and In Bloom so freaking often... it would be nice to turn the weight of the song down sometimes.

In the end, this game is more about the fun party expirience... not necissarily the super hardcore challenge (that's GH3!)... I'd love to see more options that let us tailor the game more to our personal tastes while playing.

rockst01
11-28-2007, 07:18 AM
I wish you could turn off DLC from being in random sets. I understand that the on-disc songs shouldn't be removable but it really sucks when the Metallica songs show up in the random sets. Now I tell my bandmates to lower their difficulty for randoms sets because it really blows when you breeze through the first two songs in a random set and the 3rd song is Blackened or And Justice For All. It's either pick an easier difficulty for these setlists and be bored or pick a harder difficulty and get destroyed if one of these Metallica songs shows up. Would a real band put a song into a setlist that they know they can't handle?

Mad Dogg
11-28-2007, 07:44 AM
Being able to rate a song from 1 to 5 in order to determine the frequency that it will come up is an awesome idea. This way tunes we don't really like but still want to play from time to time could be given a 2 or 3 and songs that we can't get enough of could get a 5.

The main point I was trying to make here in this thread is that I think this game is more about having a fun experience than it is a traditional game. I think the best way to maximize the enjoyment of Rock Band would be to allow the user the most customization possible, as Grog Munki said letting us tailor the game to our personal tastes.

Rowyco
11-28-2007, 07:48 AM
I am in favor of just about every idea that has come in this thread, however I think the first thing they need to fix in the game is a 100% online BWT. All these songs are great, but they won't matter to me if i can't rock out with other people.

Once that is resolved, then i bet all of these other ideas could be implemented effortlessly. Removing the NEED to have your entire band in front of your TV i believe sends all other ideas into forward motion.

But the game is still in it's infancy, so only time will tell. Yet makes you wonder what kinda feedback they received from the "playtesters"? you would have thought some of these ideas were already introduced at one point no?

Hanover
11-28-2007, 11:29 AM
One solution is just to download the content off your harddrive. I believe it sees them as individual downloads if you go to memory management. You can always download them again for free when you want to play them again.


I thought this too as soon as songs from the Metallica three pack showed up in a random set list. Our four band members were all geared up to go, playing at our top potential difficulty wise. The song came up and we all just went, "Oh ****."

I've purchased every single song that has hit XBox Live (and intend to keep doing so), but for a moment I thought, "Maybe I shouldn't have bought that one yet until everyone has more practice."

I guess the real question is: "Mystery set lists are balanced the way that the developers wanted them to be balanced for release. But are they going to stay balanced with all of the Downloadable Content? Could I please turn off DLC for random selections to try and retain that balance myself?"

Frederf
11-28-2007, 12:15 PM
Baby: "Goo, gah gah!"
Homer's Brother Voice: "I only want to eat candy."
Mother: "Then that's all you'll get!"

LOL. Of for freak's sake stupid filter... grumble grumble ten characters grumble.

siegelem
12-05-2007, 09:28 AM
/bump

This sort of feature is the only thing lacking so far. Presumably after 12 months of DLC, there will be A LOT of content to go through. A single genre could potentially have 30+ tunes.

I think it goes a long way for immersion as well. Having a set list with Glam, Metal and Punk mixed up just doesn't feel right. If you want to put together a Metal band, then you should be able to narrow your options to say Metal and Rock music. The game is called "Rock Band", not "Cover Band".

As far as achievements go, DLC in of itself skews things quite a bit. As time goes you'll eventually get mystery sets that consist of easier songs or songs you just happen to know well. We might as well have more control of the music we do play to increase the fun factor.

So, Harmonix, please give us a "Song Manager" tool!!!

el33tcapitan
12-05-2007, 09:52 AM
There is an option to not play songs that you don't want to: Band Quick Play.

The campaign was designed by Harmonix to do what they wanted it to and be balanced the way they felt it should be.

If they added a set option to Band Quick Play, I feel it would complete the option by allowing you to play as many songs as you wanted to in sequence without hitting the menu screen. Otherwise, BWT is designed to progress how Harmonix wants it to and that's how it should be.

GHudston
12-05-2007, 10:01 AM
I personally would love this feature. I don't so much playing the instruments to any song they can throw at me, but I will often be the vocalist in my group of friends and "singing" that "Timmy" song will be funny all of about once. The less I have to "sing" sabotage, the better as well.

JamesGarr
12-05-2007, 10:18 AM
At the very least, we should be able to flag DLC and bonus songs to NOT come up in mystery setlists, etc, in BWT.

It makes no sense to pay extra for DLC or spend extra time unlocking bonus songs then have it come up when you don't want it to.

Xanthous
12-05-2007, 10:24 AM
At the very least, we should be able to flag DLC and bonus songs to NOT come up in mystery setlists, etc, in BWT.

It makes no sense to pay extra for DLC or spend extra time unlocking bonus songs then have it come up when you don't want it to.

Agreed. I purchased the Metallica 3-pack on launch day. We made our way through BWT on Medium and recently have graduated to Hard on all instruments (we've been on Expert guitar the whole time, obviously the drums and vocals took a little practice).

When any of the three bonus Metallica tracks pop up on mystery setlists it's an instafail. I've deleted them from my PS3 and will re-download down the line when we're capable of playing them.

It seems like it would be simple for HMX to add a little checklist of songs that are available in random setlists.

Also, a year from now when I've got 150+ songs on my system, I probably don't want to play Wave of Mutilation or Should I Stay or Should I Go anymore. Why not allow me to skip these?

Edward Hyena
12-05-2007, 11:46 AM
As for DLC, if you have an XBox 360, just move all of your downloaded content onto a memory card (or if that's not enough, move your profile to a memory card and move all your DLC to the hard drive). While playing BWT, just pull the memory card / hard drive that has all the DLC on it, and voila... no DLC in your BWT.

balth
12-06-2007, 02:01 AM
"I didn't mean for this thread to be a Fallout Boy bashing thread"

You know that in our world filled with horrific events and people, that when your world comes to a screeching halt, your stomach turns and the world goes slow motion when you hear the simple words:

"Tonight's Musical Guest: Fallout Boy!"

Yeah, then you know something is pretty wrong.

I'm applying for disability from PTSD from them appearing on Letterman; I've never experienced the amount of real world lag and slowdown as I did while I was diving for that remote, with Chariots of Fire playing somewhere in the background.

Official Fallout Boy Sucks Thread meter:

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that is all.

dfjdejulio
12-06-2007, 02:17 AM
So, Harmonix, please give us a "Song Manager" tool!!!
I was thinking about this on the bus this morning. Yeah, I want a fully detailed song manager, with the ability to create and name set lists and store them on a USB drive or XBox memory card, so I can take 'em over to a buddy's house. Then let me pick one of my saved setlists for the BWT "choose your own set list" challenges, and let me designate one as the basis for random selection, et cetera.

Maggot_Brain
12-06-2007, 02:20 AM
"Song Manager" I like! This would be great feature. Goodbye Fallout Dweeb.

SachielDVangel
12-06-2007, 02:33 AM
Signed. There needs to be the ability to pull crap songs, like the Fallout Boy one, out of the rotation, especially if you have DLC. Put a cap on it, say, you can only "turn off" five songs or something.

Micker
12-06-2007, 02:42 AM
Is there any reason to play mystery lists in BWT or does creating your own setlist do the same thing??

siegelem
12-07-2007, 09:57 AM
There is an option to not play songs that you don't want to: Band Quick Play.

The campaign was designed by Harmonix to do what they wanted it to and be balanced the way they felt it should be.

If they added a set option to Band Quick Play, I feel it would complete the option by allowing you to play as many songs as you wanted to in sequence without hitting the menu screen. Otherwise, BWT is designed to progress how Harmonix wants it to and that's how it should be.

There's no reason to believe that you can't have a Song Manager tool AND not have it still be in the spirit of Mystery Set List. In fact, with DLC, the opposite is possible. If you only download the easier songs you'll have diluted your set list to skew the game to be easier.

If they put hard values on the # of songs that you can select and control the distribution by difficultly, they'll have provided a stronger means of balancing the game. For example, to play BWT your Song Manager must have enabled 5 songs of each difficulty. This keeps DLC from making the game easier AND provides users freedom to tailor the game to be more enjoyable with fresher content.

All that aside, there's a business problem here too. People that want to ensure easier BWT will be sure to avoid buying the more difficult DLC. That doesn't bode well. It's in the community's best interest for DLC to sell like hotcakes and any deterrent should be resolved. Having a flexible Song Manager makes it easier for people just to buy everything and KEEP it while not having it effect their BWT game play. Sure you add/delete right now to flip/flop game modes, but people are lazy and some percentage of people will just avoid buying content in the first place.

Hanover
12-07-2007, 10:05 AM
It's inevitable that a song manager will surface...especially if they are planning hundreds more DLC songs. Not only would it be messy having to scroll through that many tracks, you're going to get people complaining that they never get to play one of their favorite songs in BWT anymore.

Quyrean
12-07-2007, 10:17 AM
I think some kind of thumbs up/thumbs down rating system would be cool. Each character can thumbs up songs they really like, and thumbs down songs they dont and that would be saved with the chars profile. Then mystery set lists can *prefer* songs people like, and still choose the correct difficulity. I noticed that downloaded songs are catagorized already.

Alternatively, or even in addition to, when a song comes up, each player can vote (in game) yes or no to play it, and the audience (computer) gets a vote too. The majority rules.

This game is so cool as it opens the door for so many more fun options.

CRCError
12-07-2007, 10:58 AM
I think some kind of thumbs up/thumbs down rating system would be cool. Each character can thumbs up songs they really like, and thumbs down songs they dont and that would be saved with the chars profile. Then mystery set lists can *prefer* songs people like, and still choose the correct difficulity. I noticed that downloaded songs are catagorized already.

Alternatively, or even in addition to, when a song comes up, each player can vote (in game) yes or no to play it, and the audience (computer) gets a vote too. The majority rules.

This game is so cool as it opens the door for so many more fun options.

I *really* like that idea. My wife and I play together quite often, however I can play almost every song on Hard with guitar while she barely feels comfortable playing drums on medium.

Giving us the ability to rate the songs we like with our individual characters would make it much easier for us to get the random songs we would not only like to play, but songs we are capable of playing.

That being said - I agree that there should be some method of rating/enabling/disabling individual songs in the game. As far as disabling - I know that most of the songs do not have suggestive lyrics, but some do. As a parent I would like to be able to have some say on what lyrics I want my family to be singing.

Tamran
12-07-2007, 11:30 AM
In fact, a "Set List Editor" would be awesome! "Create-a-Concert" mode!

Three Words: FREAKIN' SWEET IDEA!

Harsher
12-07-2007, 11:33 AM
Maps is a great song man, but I agree it would be cool to have your own setlist but then again you would only play the songs you like or are good at and all the really hard song you could simply skip over which would mess up the ranking don't you think?

cwbrady
12-27-2007, 11:31 AM
All that aside, there's a business problem here too. People that want to ensure easier BWT will be sure to avoid buying the more difficult DLC. That doesn't bode well. It's in the community's best interest for DLC to sell like hotcakes and any deterrent should be resolved.

I am playing BWT with my wife and 2 sons. My kids are pretty good but my wife and I are still just learning. I decided to re-live my past and download the Metallica pack. Everyone was jamming and having a good time progressing through BWT until Blackened appeared out of nowhere. Good grief, there were fans running for the doors. My band started revolting and I was almost kicked out on the street for DLC. I have been banned from DLC until we finish the BWT. I will need to delete the pack now or the singer (my wife) refuses to go back on tour. An option to disable these songs would be great. I enjoy these songs and would like to practice them, but will have to wait till we finish one go through first. I guess the point to this is being able to disable these songs would allow me to keep downloading them and keep the enjoyment of the BWT without going from Creep to Blackened and being boo'ed off the stage.

pasmith
12-27-2007, 02:04 PM
For everyone worried about rankings/achievements how about if only "Pure" BWT sessions (ie, played without any user influence over what songs to play) counted for Achievements and Rankings?

I understand that everyone has a different take on things, but really I think Achievements for a game like Rock Band actually detract from it. I don't play it to earn achievements (which is why, in fact, I chose the PS3 version...that and my 360 is so loud), I play it to have fun and (to quote the PR materials) to experience music in an all new way...

I play solo 99% of the time and I'm already wondering what's going to happen with DLC when I have 50 songs downloaded. That "Bonus Set List" in the Solo Career mode is going to go on forever. They've got to a list give us some sorting options and so forth.

williams22
12-27-2007, 02:17 PM
I would suggest they make it so you can replace any song with a DLC song of the same tier. That way you're not making it any easier just playing more songs you enjoy. Programming-wise I wouldn't think this would be too difficult. Obviously I don't know what their code looks like but if you have A = "Maps" and then the variable A in all the setlists you can just make A= "Move Along" or whatever DLC song you want and it's a one change thing. Seems reasonable.

Damien
12-27-2007, 02:28 PM
On top of the fact that some songs are annoying, some are innapropriate. My 7 and 8 year old brothers like to sing when I'm playing the guitar part, and some of the songs have bad words that they've been repeating. My oldest little brother learned "Whore" from Rock Band. That sort of dissapoints me.

AcePilotF14
12-27-2007, 02:30 PM
That's why it's rated T for Teen.

Ridiculust
12-27-2007, 02:32 PM
On top of the fact that some songs are annoying, some are innapropriate. My 7 and 8 year old brothers like to sing when I'm playing the guitar part, and some of the songs have bad words that they've been repeating. My oldest little brother learned "Whore" from Rock Band. That sort of dissapoints me.

Not to be a smart alec, but isn't this game rated T for teen? However, I see your point.

Hanover
12-27-2007, 02:58 PM
Rock Band is rated T for Teen.



On top of the fact that some songs are annoying, some are innapropriate. My 7 and 8 year old brothers like to sing when I'm playing the guitar part, and some of the songs have bad words that they've been repeating. My oldest little brother learned "Whore" from Rock Band. That sort of dissapoints me.

Dekelia
12-27-2007, 03:00 PM
Rock Band is rated T for Teen.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be nice to be able to tailer it to make it more kid friendly.

tbradshaw
12-27-2007, 03:07 PM
Yeah, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be nice to be able to tailer it to make it more kid friendly.

Well... no. It's Rock and Roll, peer to sex and drugs in the famous phrase "Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll!"

It's not supposed to be kid friendly.

Impyshaz
12-27-2007, 03:21 PM
I would be happy having the option to say I prefer not to play this song on PS3 online quickplay. I ended up playing Dani California 4 times in an hour last night and eventually had to leave groups or be kicked out rather than play it again.

PS3 sucks for communicating to people what you want to play so they could at least let me make settings that express my tastes.

Xero314-2
12-27-2007, 04:22 PM
Can someone explain to me what the big issue. Rockband does not force anyone to play any songs. You have the option of quickplay where you can chose what ever song you want, and in BWT you can chose specific songs or make your own set lists. If you don't like the fans picking your songs don't play those sets. And if this happens to mean you run out of sets to play to gain more fans, well then I think the designers did a real good job in representing the real world (in a very fun way). I know that my band has broke the hard fan cap and have yet to actually play one of the truly difficult songs, or play any songs we truly hate more than once or twice.

The only thing I think might be worth adding (and sorry if it's already there since I never quick play) is the ability to make set lists in quick play.

Dekelia
12-27-2007, 04:31 PM
Can someone explain to me what the big issue...
I don't think it is a BIG issue right now, though I think it will be as more songs are available to download. The random sets ARE an important part of BWT and add a lot to it, but its just a few songs sort of ruin it.

I have to think very hard about downloading a song because I may not want it to come up in BWT, even if I may want to play it otherwise. I wasn't even going to unlock the bonus songs because I didn't want them to come up in BWT. If they offered free songs that I didn't know, I probably wouldn't even give them a chance because I don't want to dilute the pool of songs I KNOW I like (which is most of them).

Once there are a lot of downloadable songs, this could really be a big annoyance. It would also be cool (once there are enough songs to justify it) to be able to create themed bands by only have songs of that genre come up as random songs (e.g. a metal band, that only gets metal songs as random). It would just take the ability to filter based on custom song lists.

Again, I don't think it is a huge deal now (though it would be nice) but it could become very big.