Why does everyone feel the need to bash HMX?

[Sonofmogh]

I'm so sick of this crap...
People get on these forums and their FIRST POST is "OMG! How can HMX do this??? My stuff won't work perfectly!! IDK what to do! I spent all my mcdonalds money on this game and now I can only upstrum! Durrr..... I demand all kinds of boycotts and class-action lawsuits, and angry mobs, and I'm going whip a thousand mad emoticons faces in this innane post just to let everyone know that I forgot to take my ADD medication today!!!"
Seriously, before you newbies post your hate speech towards a company that is trying very hard to bring a good product to us depite some hardware problems (that they are addressing faster than any company I've ever seen before) Read my quick tips I've assembled for your convienience:

1. Please use the search button before you post. -this forum has over a hundred threads people have started to complain about the product...before you waste your energy typing out your own rant, why not find someone elses rant and simply reply with "Hell yeah, I agree!" It's much easier for you.

2. Have some equipment that isn't working properly? Before you get all teary-eyed and complain about the "MASSIVE amount of money" you dropped on this game and start asking HMX to step up and show respect for the people who give them their money...or whatever other cliche garbage comes into your mind, go here: http://support.ea.com/rockband.php
This is the place where you can request new peripherals FREE OF CHARGE with FAST SHIPPING as well as find information that may help you fix your "broken" stuff...I'm telling you there's no hastle. Every product that has ever been introduced has had some problems or failures and it's nothing to be too upset about.

3. Please, if you are going to rant...get your facts straight first.
-HMX wouldn't puposely send out faulty equipment...what is their motivation for that? It makes their customers unhappy, and less likely to buy DLC as well as any future sequels, and it makes them have to replace a ****load of equipment...they wouldn't do that on purpose, save your conspiracy theories for the History Channel.
-Just because a lot of people on this forum are having problems with their controllers does NOT mean that all or even a majority of controllers are faulty...It's just that nobody is going to come on the forums to talk about how great everything is working for them...you see a skewed demographic.
-No HMX did not make the controllers for GH1 or GH2 (and certainly not GH3) That was Red Octane...HMX was only the developer of those games, not the producer.

4. And finally why must you complain about such trivial things!!! If you can't handle playing with the bass pedal on easy then you probably shouldn't be playing the drums at all...and I'm sorry if you have to play In Bloom six times in the BWT, but it's not a game-breaking flaw that requires the urgency of another mindless thread! Good Lord!

[tmanrocks]

I would like to take a moment to bash harmonix for forcing me to play sufragette city , and Green grass and high tides.

That is all kthxbai :D

[jq715861]

They feel the need to take it out on someone. I do believe if you look at the back it says "made in china" on the sticker. I think everyones hate should be directed towards China. ;)

[Matsuiichi]

Very intelligent and well-written post. I completely agree with this post.

These people complaining have to realize that Harmonix is working hard to fix the problem and is working harder than any company I know to help fix the problem. A lot harder than RedOctane, who hasn't even publicly addressed their guitar problems when they're obviously real problems.

Get it together, you guys---you have to be patient and realize that Harmonix wants us to have a good gaming experience. Instead of wasting bandwidth and whining, actually go to their customer support and get the problem fixed.

Thank you, Sonofmogh! Very great post.

[neo0o0o]

ya i got to say he is right and i do know what its like cause my guitar doesnt strum down and now strumming up is getting like the down strum did before it broke. good point on the skewed demograph. i never considered that.

[blue_dragonzero]

They feel the need to take it out on someone. I do believe if you look at the back it says "made in china" on the sticker. I think everyones hate should be directed towards China. ;)

But it already is! ;)

[Lazerus101]

Because people who are having no issues dont feel the need to come to the forum.
Those who DO have issues feel they need someone to blame. Being that Harmonix made the game that is where they are directing their frustration.
What IS self evident is that a little more quality control and stress testing was needed on the RB instruments prior to the game shipping.
Someone, somewhere got cheap/lazy, if that was Harmonix or EA is irellavent. It shouldn't have happened. But then we dont live in an ideal world.

[k_luva]

First, I agree that people should use the flippin search function in the forums...It's getting a little aggravating to see 20 different threads on the same subject...search, find what you are looking for and post in that thread.

Second, I shouldn't, nor should the masses have to replace hardware out of the box, that is a little ridiculous and 169.00 is a LOT of money for a game. I paid it, I love the game, but I need some hardware that works.

Third, YES HMX and EA WOULD send out defunct hardware in a few circumstances. They might have had a large number of the games already out to be shipped or in a store house when the fault was found. In that instance, in and if it was within reason, it would be more cost effective for HMX and EA to replace those units once they were bought. Which is what I think happened, thus the two different models of the guitar. I also think that a HUGE majority of the guitars are broke or badly manufactured. As someone who builds computers and reads many forums regarding motherboards, etc you can view a forum and tell if it falls within normal percentage of failure rates. The guitar posts are WAY outside of what I would consider to be normal.

Fourth, I agree with you again....if you cannot learn to use the foot pedal, don't play drums. Drums have foot pedals, stop complaining and learn how to use it...it's part of the challenge of the game!

[logicalnoise]

+1

great post sir

[Theuke]

These people complaining have to realize that Harmonix is working hard to fix the problem and is working harder than any company I know to help fix the problem.

So which is it? They're enjoying some well deserved holidays during Thanksgiving, or they're working harder than anyone to solve the problem? I do hope they're working on it and that they'll give us some update on what's going on this week. The fact of the matter is, no one knows what they're doing because they haven't said a word about the many hardware and lag issues that have plagued the launch of this game. They haven't acknowledged them, they haven't said anything about fixing them. Everyone is free to give them a vote of confidence, but without any communication from them, you have to understand it doesn't carry much weight.

As far as the OP goes, hardly "everyone" feels the need to "bash" HMX. So far, nobody has received a replacement guitar. They might suffer from the same design/manufacture problems - or not. No one knows. If they send the same crap, I'm not sure the fact that they shipped it 2-day express will be much of a consolation.

The "there's way more people without problem out there and they're not posting" argument is flawed. Just take a look at the forum old-timers, those people that posted before release and now keep posting. That's a good, stable, not self-selecting sample, and among them many have had the guitar crap out or a busted drum. Don't assume either that everyone with bad hardware posts here, because it's not even close. Personally I know 3 people who bought the bundle: 2 busted guitars and 1 defective drum pad so far. Not really stellar and a pretty good match to what's being said on the forum.

I'm waiting to see what happens next week; by then it should be much clearer if they really screwed the pooch or not. Just a simple word from Harmonix/EA would do a lot to alleviate the concerns around here.

If you can't take the fact that people dead in the water with faulty hardware post about their experience on the Tech Support forum, here's a quick fix for you that won't void your warranty: don't read the Tech Support forum.

/rant

[cromartie90000]

I appreciate Harmonix and their games and I love RB but you can't expect everyone to get ****ty equipment and then not be upset about it.

You can't just shrug it off, "ah, it's no big deal I'm sure they're working hard because they care about us so much."
No if they screw up you have to let SOMEONE know about it, otherwise they'll think they've done a good job and they'll do it again and it'll be a disaster.

I'm not BASHING them or anything, I love them for GH and for RB, and I'm sure everyone else does, but people can't help but feel let down because of this. Maybe it's not Harmonix's fault but it's their game...

[JackBNimble]

These people complaining have to realize that Harmonix is working hard to fix the problem and is working harder than any company I know to help fix the problem. A lot harder than RedOctane, who hasn't even publicly addressed their guitar problems when they're obviously real problems.

How are they working harder then any other company YOU KNOW to fix this problem?And I don't recall EA/HMX addressing any of the hardware problems,and they're obviously real!The failure rate for these peripherals is above and beyound any acceptable % rate that I have ever seen.

I tell you if I was a CEO and had a FAILED launch,I would have someone addressing the problem and reasuring my customers that there will be a FIX.Even if it is the holiday there is more at steak then turkey dinner.

Now EA/HMX have not addressed this and people are getting impatent.No one has taken any responsibility for this mess ,and 5 days of silence does not help them with their PR image.

I suspect that most of the people who are sympathetic to EA/HMX in this situation are 360 users who can toss aside their broken strat and use their xplorer or Les paul.There for have no understanding for those people who have paid so much money for a game that they can't play.

If there was any other product put into the market place with such defects there would be a RECALL.So where is the response from EA/HMX?

Don't post a thread and give people sh!t for their frustrations when the product is so defective.We just want some answers and we deserve answers but we have not recieved any reasonable response what so ever.

I do however agree with the OP about searching for a thread to post their *****es and rants instead of littering the boards with the same old sh!t.

[Xzyliac]

Watch all of us with perfect bundles get lead poisoning.

[Matsuiichi]

How are they working harder then any other company YOU KNOW to fix this problem?And I don't recall EA/HMX addressing any of the hardware problems,and they're obviously real!The failure rate for these peripherals is above and beyound any acceptable % rate that I have ever seen.

I tell you if I was a CEO and had a FAILED launch,I would have someone addressing the problem and reasuring my customers that there will be a FIX.Even if it is the holiday there is more at steak then turkey dinner.

Now EA/HMX have not addressed this and people are getting impatent.No one has taken any responsibility for this mess ,and 5 days of silence does not help them with their PR image.

I suspect that most of the people who are sympathetic to EA/HMX in this situation are 360 users who can toss aside their broken strat and use their xplorer or Les paul.There for have no understanding for those people who have paid so much money for a game that they can't play.

If there was any other product put into the market place with such defects there would be a RECALL.So where is the response from EA/HMX?

Don't post a thread and give people sh!t for their frustrations when the product is so defective.We just want some answers and we deserve answers but we have not recieved any reasonable response what so ever.

I do however agree with the OP about searching for a thread to post their *****es and rants instead of littering the boards with the same old sh!t.


Your problem is that this is NOT a failed launch. This is anything but a failure, so you should check your information. A failed launch would be a game that doesn't work, everyone's peripherals wouldn't work at all, and the game would get terrible press. All you have to do is look at a dictionary to find out that a SMALL FLAW from a SMALL GROUP of people is anything but a failed launch. Get your facts together and THEN you can talk trash about a so-called "Failed Launch".

Harmonix at least confirmed there was an issue with the working of the Les Paul controller that wasn't even theirs---so that technically wasn't their problem to begin with
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What did RedOctane and Activision do when there were controller problems? They now have a "Post your guitar issues here" topic on their forum with over 300 posts to it---and there still has been NO positive feedback on returning the controller, getting replacements, or even acknowledgment that there's a problem! They haven't had a press release on anything except about how well their game is selling. There still also has yet to be a single fix of the PS3's Guitar Hero online services. Now tell me, what does that say for their working to fix the problem?

Guitar Hero III controllers should be recalled. There have been instances of controllers giving off SMOKE. That, in my book, is dangerous. But did they recall? NO. They said NOTHING. Same thing here with Harmonix. The number of people with problems is greatly outnumbered by the people who don't have problems or aren't saying anything. So why should they have to replace something that---according to their evidence---is mostly working?

And they have ALREADY acknowledged the problem. Broken controller? MAIL IT BACK TO HARMONIX AND GET IT REPLACED.

I don't have that problem because my controllers have all been working fine. But for those people who do have problems, at least they have a solution that has been given by the company. You don't need an answer more than "We will replace your broken peripherals". If you can't take sh!t on problems with your game, don't dish it out, okay?

Grow up and check your info, dude. They'll replace the products, just don't expect next-day "Oh yeah, we'll fix your problem, no big deal! You'll have it tomorrow!" Just letting you know, not everyone can work on weekends, dude. Harmonix worked hard enough just to get the game to you.

Don't expect them to solve everything at once. They're not gaming gods. They're only human.

[Matsuiichi]

Watch all of us with perfect bundles get lead poisoning.

I have to give you 100 points for that. That is the funniest thing I've heard all day. XD

[Badosh]

They feel the need to take it out on someone. I do believe if you look at the back it says "made in china" on the sticker. I think everyones hate should be directed towards China. ;)

tricky
but to the original poster
i believe my first post wasnt that

[Sonofmogh]

As far as the OP goes, hardly "everyone" feels the need to "bash" HMX. So far, nobody has received a replacement guitar. They might suffer from the same design/manufacture problems - or not. No one knows. If they send the same crap, I'm not sure the fact that they shipped it 2-day express will be much of a consolation.

First I'd like to thank almost everyone else for complimenting my post and/or adding valuable info to it...Too bad it's a little too sarcastic to be a sticky! Oh well, thats the way I roll.

Now Theuke...first off, how do you know nobody has recieved a replacement guitar? You don't, see my OP..."get your facts straight if you're going to rant. Secondly, why would it shock you if it's true that nobody's recieved a replacement? The game came out on Tuesday and Thursday was a national Holiday and then came the Weekend...why would guitars be arriving to people when the mail carriers delivering them aren't working for half the week? Third and finally, what do you expect HMX to do? They are spending a lot of time and money fielding peoples complaints and having replacements sent out with expensive two-day air shipping...the guitar they are sending is the guitar they've made for the game, if you don't like it then I'm sorry, but there isn't any place on the rockband site where you can custom order a guitar...pick and choose features you want and such...if it breaks, then you were unlucky enough to get two faulty guitars in a row; most people won't have that happen, but if you are hoping they'll send some fancy new revamped guitar then you'll be disappointed. Maybe you weren't expecting that, in that case you'll probably receive a working model.

[Sonofmogh]

Your problem is that this is NOT a failed launch. This is anything but a failure, so you should check your information. A failed launch would be a game that doesn't work, everyone's peripherals wouldn't work at all, and the game would get terrible press. All you have to do is look at a dictionary to find out that a SMALL FLAW from a SMALL GROUP of people is anything but a failed launch. Get your facts together and THEN you can talk trash about a so-called "Failed Launch".

Harmonix at least confirmed there was an issue with the working of the Les Paul controller that wasn't even theirs---so that technically wasn't their problem to begin with
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What did RedOctane and Activision do when there were controller problems? They now have a "Post your guitar issues here" topic on their forum with over 300 posts to it---and there still has been NO positive feedback on returning the controller, getting replacements, or even acknowledgment that there's a problem! They haven't had a press release on anything except about how well their game is selling. There still also has yet to be a single fix of the PS3's Guitar Hero online services. Now tell me, what does that say for their working to fix the problem?

Guitar Hero III controllers should be recalled. There have been instances of controllers giving off SMOKE. That, in my book, is dangerous. But did they recall? NO. They said NOTHING. Same thing here with Harmonix. The number of people with problems is greatly outnumbered by the people who don't have problems or aren't saying anything. So why should they have to replace something that---according to their evidence---is mostly working?

And they have ALREADY acknowledged the problem. Broken controller? MAIL IT BACK TO HARMONIX AND GET IT REPLACED.

I don't have that problem because my controllers have all been working fine. But for those people who do have problems, at least they have a solution that has been given by the company. You don't need an answer more than "We will replace your broken peripherals". If you can't take sh!t on problems with your game, don't dish it out, okay?

Grow up and check your info, dude. They'll replace the products, just don't expect next-day "Oh yeah, we'll fix your problem, no big deal! You'll have it tomorrow!" Just letting you know, not everyone can work on weekends, dude. Harmonix worked hard enough just to get the game to you.

Don't expect them to solve everything at once. They're not gaming gods. They're only human.
Thank you for telling this guy off so I don't have to...basically if you want my two cents, just read the above post! ;)

[Matsuiichi]

Thank you for telling this guy off so I don't have to...basically if you want my two cents, just read the above post! ;)

No prob, Sonofmogh, no prob at all. :D

[chaopolis]

My response to all this is that I'm fairly sure that Harmonix, EA, etc, etc didn't know that there were so many problems with the instruments.

What really grinds my gears, as well as others, I'm sure - is the lack of response from Harmonix.

We've heard from EA in terms of a "tech support" that DOES in fact provide fast shipping...

...the fact that I haven't received a confirmation email about my inquiry on my guitar in TWO DAYS is irrelevant...

I'm sure that many of them are coming back from a long-awaited and long due vacation this week. Hopefully, maybe as early as today, we can some sort of official response from Harmonix that's NOT delivered by a "canned response PR drone".

As far as people *****ing about the game doesn't work... well, in all fairness - it's a meritable gripe. We all know the game is EXCELLENT. However, even an excellent game loses something when you're unable to play it.

[KaYotiX]

Excellent post!!!

[Ventura]

A failed launch would be a game that doesn't work, everyone's peripherals wouldn't work at all, and the game would get terrible press.


Wow. It's not a failure unless 100% of the peripherals don't work, right? So a launch where only 90% of it all doesn't work can be considered a success in your book?

If I were in this business I'd call a successful launch at somewhere around a 5% failure rate. Approaching 10% and that's one in every ten are going to have something that needs replacing. 20% is one in every five, 25% one in every four... and so on.

Let's assume 33% of the hardware is going to need replacing. How you could honestly believe a one in three chance of failure would be acceptable is absolutely beyond me.



All you have to do is look at a dictionary to find out that a SMALL FLAW from a SMALL GROUP of people is anything but a failed launch. Get your facts together and THEN you can talk trash about a so-called "Failed Launch".


You talk about small flaws from small groups of people, and then go on to suggest people get their facts together. Oh the irony.

A small flaw is something like - every so often, the controller becomes unresponsive and the system needs to be restarted.

How is a sizeable number of gamers not being able to use their strum bar atall a "small flaw", really??

[thecactusman17]

Less than a week after it's debut at my local Best Buy, the Rock Band demo unit was not functioning correctly. Up-strum only, isues with the drums. It was taken down and never mentioned again. Reading online, I found that thousands of other demo units met the same fate--not all of them, but enough that it certainly should have served as forewarning to myself and others.

These isuses plagued the game prior to release, and a huge number of people called them on it. And now people have spent upwards of $160 expecting a working product and you have the gall to blame them for feeling cheated?

EA/HMX might not have meant to ship out a game with such a massive amount of faulty equipment, but they did. And now, they have to face the logical consequences--ticked off customers out nearly $200 and a collection of long-time supporters (I've been playing since GH1) who are forced to wonder if Harmonix and EA are deserving of their money in the future.

[mattfish]

If I were in this business I'd call a successful launch at somewhere around a 5% failure rate. Approaching 10% and that's one in every ten are going to have something that needs replacing. 20% is one in every five, 25% one in every four... and so on.

Let's assume 33% of the hardware is going to need replacing. How you could honestly believe a one in three chance of failure would be acceptable is absolutely beyond me.

Where are these statistics from? Why would you assume that the amount of people complaining is anywhere indicative of a percentage of the total sales? The polls on this forum are not representative of the entire group who have bought and played the game long enough for it to potentially fail. Why would people whose peripherals did not fail have reason to come and voice their experiences? Why do you assume the circumstances of everybody's peripheral failures were the same?

Also: These are wear items that are failing. I would never have thought that Mario Party could destroy that many N64 analog sticks, but you can never underestimate the amount of stress the average person can put on a plastic controller when they have no reason to believe it will break. Look at DDR pads, and those were made of metal and fiberglass.

[jomni]

I am angry at Harmonix. Because they deliberately prevented the standard controllers to be used as instruments. There are people who want to use just the standard controllers like me. And this would have solved all the compatibility woes if they truly kept the controls standard.

[logicalnoise]

I am angry at Harmonix. Because they deliberately prevented the standard controllers to be used as instruments. There are people who want to use just the standard controllers like me. And this would have solved all the compatibility woes if they truly kept the controls standard.

oook,
1) Don't lie and tell me you played GH on expert with the controller.
2) the cash cow of RB is the perpherials and DLC
3 You own a PS3 stop crying.
4) Realize from a design standpoint HMX had to make teh controls this way. THere's no way it'd work otherwise.

[Sonofmogh]

I am angry at Harmonix. Because they deliberately prevented the standard controllers to be used as instruments. There are people who want to use just the standard controllers like me. And this would have solved all the compatibility woes if they truly kept the controls standard....Hahahahahaha! Oh wait, you're being serious, let me laugh even harder...BWAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow, what a stupid idea. Consider this, the main goal of Harmonix in creating this game was to "create as realistic a music making experience as possible"; how is mashing buttons on a 6 inch controller a realistic musical experience? Go play GH3...maybe you'll earn some achievements, unless you're a PS3 user...in which case, no achievements for you...oh and by the way, welcome to the forum!

[Theuke]

Now Theuke...first off, how do you know nobody has recieved a replacement guitar? You don't, see my OP..."get your facts straight if you're going to rant.

No one had received any replacement at the time of my post because 1. many threads and posts have been created that asked about it and everyone involved in the process has replied negatively, and 2. it seemed a practical impossibility that EA would process and ship the replacement and that the carrier would deliver them given Thanksgiving and the week-end, as you so ably note yourself:


Secondly, why would it shock you if it's true that nobody's recieved a replacement? The game came out on Tuesday and Thursday was a national Holiday and then came the Weekend...why would guitars be arriving to people when the mail carriers delivering them aren't working for half the week?

Duh!

I'm hardly "shocked" by it, and you're missing the point. My point is that as long as we haven't received any report that the replacement parts are of better design and/or manufacture, the "fast replacement shipping" touted by the "complainers who complain about people complaining that their gear is faulty" is moot. The fast shipment is a necessary but not sufficient step to ensure customer satisfaction. Wait and see. Again, a simple word from Harmonix/EA saying that they're aware of the hardware issues and that they're working to fix them would do a lot of good. I'm hoping we'll hear from them this week.

In the meantime, people have every right to post about their experience and offer feedback and suggestion about the game. If you don't care for the "my guitar is broken" or "add an option to disable the drum pedal" posts, guess what, don't read them. They have every right to post, and you have the right not to read.

If you were serious about trying to bring some order to the forum (search before posting, post in an existing thread before creating a new one), you'd have dropped the inflammatory thread title and refrained to mock those for whom $180 is a "MASSIVE amount of money". It might come as a shocker to you, but for some people that sum isn't exactly pocket change - nor does everyone have $100 on their credit card ready to be hold for a fast replacement shipping. Not everyone has a GH2 or GH3 (on 360) guitar to fall back on either. When you realize that, you'll be one step closer to understand the frustration of some people. At this point you're just adding more noise to the forum.

[Eastwood]

My issue isn't with the strat... And I have a busted one!! I didn't have any ill feelings toward EA and HMX until today. Over the holiday, they (being EA) posted a $100 pending transaction on my account. That means the package is shipped, right? Wrong! It hasn't even left the warehouse yet! I asked for express shipping and they had Friday, and if they were really serious about it, Saturday to at least get the boxes off the line and into the backs of trucks for delivery on Monday. Now I won't get my strat until Wednesday at best and then it will take until possibly until Dec. 5th to get it back to them. That means a $100 transaction pending on my account for two weeks. My bank has overdraft protection which means that $100 is out of pocket until the transaction either goes away or is completed.

I am now leaning towards the "Please make a statement" bandwagon.

EDIt: for the post above mine. UPS would have been open on Friday and air deliveries travel on Saturdays. My source? I worked in a warehouse and my current job has me send things air mail through them all the time! I have to know these guidelines. With ground packages were halted until today starting 9 Wednesday (7 being the last remote site pick up), air deliveries will resume Friday and even though it isn't Saturday delivery on the packages, they should have at least been loaded onto a pallet to be ready for Monday. People who ordered their shipments early Wednesday should be getting their package Tuesday at the latest. The problem likely lies in the fact that there wasn't anyone in the EA warehouses until this morning. Just because the tracking says "billing received" doesn't mean there is a box with a sticker on it waiting to go out. It just means that a sticker has been printed.

[Emowii]

This isn't some mom and pop development house, and people like myself put trust in them to deliver a great product for out $170 purchase. Unfortunately they've made some really stupid mistakes with this product and a lot of people feel the need to tell them about it. If you somehow think that is wrong, or unfair you're freaking nuts. We paid a lot of money for this game, and when people have parts of it that don't work, or are simply poorly designed they're gonna say something. Too bad if you don't like that.



How the hell the strum bar for this guitar ever got past the testing phase is beyond my comprehension.

[Sonofmogh]

No one had received any replacement at the time of my post because 1. many threads and posts have been created that asked about it and everyone involved in the process has replied negatively, and 2. it seemed a practical impossibility that EA would process and ship the replacement and that the carrier would deliver them given Thanksgiving and the week-end, as you so ably note yourself:



Duh!

I'm hardly "shocked" by it, and you're missing the point. My point is that as long as we haven't received any report that the replacement parts are of better design and/or manufacture, the "fast replacement shipping" touted by the "complainers who complain about people complaining that their gear is faulty" is moot. The fast shipment is a necessary but not sufficient step to ensure customer satisfaction. Wait and see. Again, a simple word from Harmonix/EA saying that they're aware of the hardware issues and that they're working to fix them would do a lot of good. I'm hoping we'll hear from them this week.

In the meantime, people have every right to post about their experience and offer feedback and suggestion about the game. If you don't care for the "my guitar is broken" or "add an option to disable the drum pedal" posts, guess what, don't read them. They have every right to post, and you have the right not to read.

If you were serious about trying to bring some order to the forum (search before posting, post in an existing thread before creating a new one), you'd have dropped the inflammatory thread title and refrained to mock those for whom $180 is a "MASSIVE amount of money". It might come as a shocker to you, but for some people that sum isn't exactly pocket change - nor does everyone have $100 on their credit card ready to be hold for a fast replacement shipping. Not everyone has a GH2 or GH3 (on 360) guitar to fall back on either. When you realize that, you'll be one step closer to understand the frustration of some people. At this point you're just adding more noise to the forum.
True on your first point...
Yeah I guess it wasn't really your point to say that it was shocking that guitars hadn't been recieved yet...BUT then why do we need to speculate about what kind of "crap" (as you put it) they'll be sending as replacement? WAIT AND SEE BEFORE YOU POST YOUR PESSIMISM!!! As for my "inflammatory title thread", it is a direct response to another thread entitled "Why does everyone feel the need to stick up for HMX?"...maybe you should go there. I'm just trying to be logical here, I'm not trying to start a big flame war, but people need to stop bashing this great game before they even get it straightened out. We've all at some point had to send a defective product back and we ALL know that it sucks to have to wait a little longer...but wait until the process of correcting the error is over before you whine. (Assuming the replacement guitar isn't broken as well) When I compare this experience to another one...say sending my red-ringed 360 in for repairs, I can't help but notice what a great job HMX is doing in trying to do everything feasible to satisfy those who were disappointed by what came in the box. HMX never forced me to talk to crazy heavy-accented wierdos on the other side of the globe, not did they tell me to wait a week for some box to show up so that they can recieve my defective stuff before sending me a new one, they even gave me a choice as to how I wanted to go about remedying the problem! So don't bash HMX...as for expecting a "word from EA/HMX", I ask why? These "hardware problems" are not as widespread as you would like to believe (sorry again for putting words in your mouth:D) thus a big press meeting where some guy gets up on a podium and apologizes for all the hardships he's put the consumers through is not neccessary...again sorry for distorting what you said...I know that is not what you meant by "a simple word", but that too is equally unnecessary.
As for the money issue...that's a purely socio-economic issue of bias...I'm sorry that I'm a rich white spoiled suburban kid. I'm sorry that I'll pay $160 for an ounce of fish eggs at a fancy seafood restaurant downtown and that paying the exact same amount of money for an amazingly realistic gaming experience that makes being a rock star an achievable goal for someone like me who lacks actual musical talent seems like a bargain. I'm sorry if I offended any of those people who had to put the game on layaway or had to refinance their homes in order to pay for this game...I'm sorry, I never knew you had it so bad. I should have been more sensitive. I'm sorry that you had to dig ditches for two weeks in order to afford this awesome experience and I'm sorry that the game controllers make your filthy alley a bit cramped, but that's not my fault...:cool::rolleyes:

And I'm sorry I got so far off topic, but if $160 isn't exactly pocket change, you might want to find a new job...or just a job. Either that or figure out what useless crap is being purchased with the bulk of your disposable income.

[Eastwood]

And I'm sorry I got so far off topic, but if $160 isn't exactly pocket change, you might want to find a new job...or just a job. Either that or figure out what useless crap is being purchased with the bulk of your disposable income.

1.) It is the end of the month. ANYONE who pays their own bills are broke until the next paycheck to begin with!

2.) It is the holidays. $180 is basically the money I should have spent on gifts for distant family and friends.

3.) Don't talk about money unless you actually pay bills yourself. You stated you are a rich suburban kid. Don't speak for your parents. You are spoiled, so your parents could be in debt for all you know and just can't say no to you.

[CrimsonFury]

3. Please, if you are going to rant...get your facts straight first.
-HMX wouldn't puposely send out faulty equipment...what is their motivation for that? It makes their customers unhappy, and less likely to buy DLC as well as any future sequels, and it makes them have to replace a ****load of equipment...they wouldn't do that on purpose, save your conspiracy theories for the History Channel.
-Just because a lot of people on this forum are having problems with their controllers does NOT mean that all or even a majority of controllers are faulty...It's just that nobody is going to come on the forums to talk about how great everything is working for them...you see a skewed demographic.
-No HMX did not make the controllers for GH1 or GH2 (and certainly not GH3) That was Red Octane...HMX was only the developer of those games, not the producer.


It is holiday money making time... think that may of had something to do with rushing untested controllers to the market? If they waited till they were tested and made right, they would of missed the shopping frenzy. Think about it. And yes, $170 US dollars for a game is a MASSIVE amount of money when most all games for consoles top out at about $60 US dollars. $170 to most of us is a decent chunk of change.

And yes,l lots of people did come here and post how much they like the game, I was one of them... till the guitar broke, just like everyone elses. The same issue... seems there is a pattern here.

Just cause yours works okay, a lot of us (soon to be you too), have faulty, broken instruments. My drum kit was broken right out of the box!

Bottom line is that they should of been tested thoroughly before release. I understand they have been making some changes, but all that should of been done before the release. Period.

[logicalnoise]

I put 30 bucks away from each check for a few months it wasn't that hard. I own my own house work full time and pay all my bills. 170 bucks shouldn't be that big a deal if you plan for it. but again anyone crying about spilled milk for got the napkins are on the counter right next to them(EA customer support).

[logicalnoise]

It is holiday money making time... think that may of had something to do with rushing untested controllers to the market? If they waited till they were tested and made right, they would of missed the shopping frenzy. Think about it. And yes, $170 US dollars for a game is a MASSIVE amount of money when most all games for consoles top out at about $60 US dollars. $170 to most of us is a decent chunk of change.

And yes,l lots of people did come here and post how much they like the game, I was one of them... till the guitar broke, just like everyone elses. The same issue... seems there is a pattern here.

Just cause yours works okay, a lot of us (soon to be you too), have faulty, broken instruments. My drum kit was broken right out of the box!

Bottom line is that they should of been tested thoroughly before release. I understand they have been making some changes, but all that should of been done before the release. Period.

your an idiot who thinks anything made in china is made with quality. Their replacing them for free get over it.

[Emowii]

your an idiot who thinks anything made in china is made with quality. Their replacing them for free get over it.

You're an apologist who pays money for stuff and then gets kicked in the balls, only to say "Thanks, may I have another?".


That is the worst kind of consumer. The kind of consumer companies love to see, as they can ship crappy products and the consumer just rolls with the punches and doesn't really give a damn.

[Theuke]

BUT [..]

After you distort my post, put words I never said in my mouth, and even admit to it yourself, I'm sure you don't expect a serious answer. It's clear you're not interested in having an honest discussion.

If you think you're being witty, you're not. You need to grow up a bit, especially if you want to be taken seriously when you pretend to give "tips" to the "newbies". It might be best to let the mods manage the forum; you know, those people that love the game but are capable of disagreeing without being disagreeable or feeling the need to put down people.

Good day.

[Quastor]

This thread has strayed from it's original intent and is turning into flaming. I'd highly suggest bringing it back on topic.

[Sonofmogh]

1.) It is the end of the month. ANYONE who pays their own bills are broke until the next paycheck to begin with!

2.) It is the holidays. $180 is basically the money I should have spent on gifts for distant family and friends.

3.) Don't talk about money unless you actually pay bills yourself. You stated you are a rich suburban kid. Don't speak for your parents. You are spoiled, so your parents could be in debt for all you know and just can't say no to you.
Oh thanks for bringing this up cuz now I get to rip you a new one...To say that "ANYONE" who pays their own bills is broke until the next paycheck is just complete bull****. I'd estimate that to be true for less than 35% of people living in the US...what about Bill Gates? He pays his own bills and he's not broke afterwards! Just by me citing that one example proves that you're wrong, at least according to the wording you haphazardly chose.

On your second rant, I'd have to say...WTF? Christmas is a F%&@ing month away!! Unless you were planning on exchanging Thanksgiving gifts! Who buys gifts a month ahead of time??? I know a lot of people do...but why??? It's so pointless to go get trampled finding gifts the day after Thanksgiving...

To your third point, you can just flat out kiss my ass. By rich suburban kid I meant rich suburban 19 year old...I know my parent's economic status so I can speak for them all I want...My dad makes $250000 a year, and he doesn't even buy me games, I use my own money...which I earn at my JOB!!!!! And I'm currently in college so I'm paying for all my books and eating expenses and such as well as paying off the cost of my car...so You could say that I pay all my own bills, but I don't live in a dumpster so I have some cash left over at the end to pay for kickass S*** like Rock Band! So I'm sorry if your welfare check doesn't quite make Rock Band affordable to you, but don't tell me that everyone out there thinks this game is a HUGE GOUGE out of there monthly income...pffffft please.

Can we get back on topic, I'm sorry I started a flame war...;)

[Sonofmogh]

Alright...I don't have time to make a personalized response to every post comng at me here so I'll make one big broad reply.
To all the flames against me ever since I bad-mouthed people who live in dumpsters I say this...
1. I'm sorry
2. Let's get back on topic
3. I never meant to say whatever you thought I meant to say when you responded.
4. I was just having some fun, didn't mean to ruin a perfectly good thread, with good information...my bad.
5. I am right though about people living in dumpsters...:rolleyes:
Satisfied? Now back on topic...I will no longer be responding to any flames that are posted hereafter.

[logicalnoise]

You're an apologist who pays money for stuff and then gets kicked in the balls, only to say "Thanks, may I have another?".


That is the worst kind of consumer. The kind of consumer companies love to see, as they can ship crappy products and the consumer just rolls with the punches and doesn't really give a damn.

I didn't get kicked in the balls and neither did you you got lucky and got a defective product congrats now accept that no one is trying to screw you and everyone responisble is taking responsiblity. If I get screwed I make sure I get un screwed I've never been screwed by HMX I've never been screwed by MS(still have a fully functioning never crashed launch 360 unit).

I'm being a rude jerk because people are complaining about a simple issue that's already being resolved. You say you want HMX to admit wrong doing when they did nothing wrong. They designed the instruments. they then gave teh designs to EA who was in charge of making those designs a reality consideirng the agreed pricepoint and current cost of meterials and manufacturering. Obviously EA sherked on some of the meterials and quality of manufacturering. They are honoring their warranty and that's just about all they can do. Take your replacement and enjoy the game. No one has taken your rights and no one is ignoring you.

Once again you should be complaining on teh EA boards but obviously EA runs a very crappy website and you like crying here. HMX has to take your comments we don't. This is a community and attention grubbing ingrates tend to get the rough treatment here.

[Eastwood]

Oh thanks for bringing this up cuz now I get to rip you a new one...To say that "ANYONE" who pays their own bills is broke until the next paycheck is just complete bull****. I'd estimate that to be true for less than 35% of people living in the US...what about Bill Gates? He pays his own bills and he's not broke afterwards! Just by me citing that one example proves that you're wrong, at least according to the wording you haphazardly chose.

On your second rant, I'd have to say...WTF? Christmas is a F%&@ing month away!! Unless you were planning on exchanging Thanksgiving gifts! Who buys gifts a month ahead of time??? I know a lot of people do...but why??? It's so pointless to go get trampled finding gifts the day after Thanksgiving...

To your third point, you can just flat out kiss my ass. By rich suburban kid I meant rich suburban 19 year old...I know my parent's economic status so I can speak for them all I want...My dad makes $250000 a year, and he doesn't even buy me games, I use my own money...which I earn at my JOB!!!!! And I'm currently in college so I'm paying for all my books and eating expenses and such as well as paying off the cost of my car...so You could say that I pay all my own bills, but I don't live in a dumpster so I have some cash left over at the end to pay for kickass S*** like Rock Band! So I'm sorry if your welfare check doesn't quite make Rock Band affordable to you, but don't tell me that everyone out there thinks this game is a HUGE GOUGE out of there monthly income...pffffft please.

Can we get back on topic, I'm sorry I started a flame war...;)

Thanks for the laugh. My family spits on your dad's $250,000. Come by our ranch some time and I'll show you how to get rich the way people did back in the golden days of America. Land. Oil. Livestock.

How in the hell are you going to use the richest man in the world as an example? So you are trying to tell me that there are more people like Bill Gates than there are people in poverty. I feel sorry for you because you are one of the most economicaly and socially biased ignorant people on these boards.

Anyone with a career and a 401k and any kind of savings plan, yes, you are broke until next paycheck. I make plenty of money and I hardly live in a dumpster. I, like you, am in college, but at the same time pay all my own way. I put money back into money market accounts, stocks and savings. I am not "broke," per say, but the money I choose to spend is thin until next paycheck because I dedicate one half of my generous salary to paying bills and saving. The other half is expendable.

The reason I am upset over $180 dollars is the same reason I turn off lights after myself, pack my lunch, and basically save as much money as possible is because I have better things to spend my money on! Plus, there are uneducated people out there who don't have the means to spend $180 on a game. Is it unfortunate? Yes! Just because I am well off does not mean that I should be wasteful. $180 could buy a family some groceries for a week.

For you to assume that my family is poor because I gripe over $180 just proves your ignorance. I'm also sorry that you are a spoiled, rich white kid. I'm sorry that I am a rich white kid who learned the value of a dollar. So go ahead and thump your chest and look down your nose at people who are worse off than you. You are only embarrassing yourself.

Your dad's income is almost 7 times that of the median income for a 4 person family. Instead of looking down on those people, you should be grateful that you aren't in their shoes. We all have to start somewhere and some of those kids from poor families may end up in your dad's income bracket some day. It is also just as likely for people in our income bracket to end up down there. That is America.

So you can kiss my ass, because karma is a *****, he who crows loudest eats the most crow, and it is rich white kids like you who ruin for other white kids.

GFY

[logicalnoise]

again I point out that your an attention grubbing ingrate. I make barely 25k/year and this wasn't a problem to afford.

[Eastwood]

again I point out that your an attention grubbing ingrate. I make barely 25k/year and this wasn't a problem to afford.

Exactly. Wasn't a problem to afford, but if I would have known the first batch was going to be like this, that $180 could have gone elsewhere in the mean time.

[Hanover]

No, he's a realist who doesnt cry like a little kid until his mother gives him/her what he wants just to shut him up. Tantrum is a word I would associate with all this bickering. Mom (EA) is offering you the lolly pop (Warranty Replacement) but you are still on the floor kicking and screaming...

The fact is, there's nothing you can do about it. So why *****? Is *****ing going to make things happen faster? No. Is it going to repair your product? No. Taking action and moving forward by calling EA and getting your replacement shipped to you is the solution here. Or taking it back to the store. Pick one of those options and move forward. Then you'll eventually playing Rock Band again.

If you want life to be perfect and for every piece of consumer electronics to arrive defect free, then go out and get an engineering degree and show us how it's done. Because frankly, defects happen. They will continue to happen and thanks to the wonderful internet, you are now seeing just how often it does happen...just because it happens to you doesnt make you more special. Doesnt matter how disappointed you were..or your family was or your dog..its just the nature of retail. I've been there many times myself. It sucks, but it happens. If you never want another piece of defective hardware again, I suggest you stop buying stuff.

And yes, my blue drum pad came defective.


You're an apologist who pays money for stuff and then gets kicked in the balls, only to say "Thanks, may I have another?".


That is the worst kind of consumer. The kind of consumer companies love to see, as they can ship crappy products and the consumer just rolls with the punches and doesn't really give a damn.

[SoulScreme]

Meh, Harmonix has it coming. After the 80's Edition crap fest I realized that while still better than many devs, they had become a tad greedy. Recently, their lies about why the Les Paul doesn't work on PS3 have had me irked with them.

[Eastwood]

My issue isn't with a defective problem. My issue isn't even with HMX. It is with EA for putting that $100 pending on my card (on the day after Thanksgiving, btw) and then proceeded to sit on my guitar. According to the EA support site, they have not even touched my problem since 2 minutes after I originally placed it on 11/21.

If you are going to temporarily take my money as collateral on a service, at least make good on that service the moment you touch my money.

[logicalnoise]

Meh, Harmonix has it coming. After the 80's Edition crap fest I realized that while still better than many devs, they had become a tad greedy. Recently, their lies about why the Les Paul doesn't work on PS3 have had me irked with them.

they wanted to start Rock band as soon as possible and they were contractually obligated for one more game for the GH series. RO wanted a cheap cash grab more than anything and didn't offer up much of a devlopment budget hence a few color swaps some new hair and clothes and some new charts. No one said you had to buy it.

[logicalnoise]

My issue isn't with a defective problem. My issue isn't even with HMX. It is with EA for putting that $100 pending on my card (on the day after Thanksgiving, btw) and then proceeded to sit on my guitar. According to the EA support sight, they have not even touched my problem since 2 minutes after I originally placed it on 11/21.

If you are going to temporarily take my money as collateral on a service, at least make good on that service the moment you touch my money.

like you said your problem is with EA they are the publisher go complain on their forums. Also it's a thnanks giving holiday. many companies didn't even do business on friday(mine was closed). If nothing happens after today give them a call.

[Eastwood]

like you said your problem is with EA they are the publisher go complain on their forums. Also it's a thnanks giving holiday. many companies didn't even do business on friday(mine was closed). If nothing happens after today give them a call.

I actually have been a big HMX apologist on these boards. The only reason I chimed in on this one is because of sonofmog...

[albinousrex]

I would like to take a moment to bash harmonix for forcing me to play sufragette city , and Green grass and high tides.

That is all kthxbai :D

those are two good songs in my opinion, they are trying to suit everyones needs, i could do without the metallica, except enter sandman, the fallout boy should go, and anything punk



-HMX wouldn't puposely send out faulty equipment...what is their motivation for that? It makes their customers unhappy, and less likely to buy DLC as well as any future sequels, and it makes them have to replace a ****load of equipment...they wouldn't do that on purpose, save your conspiracy theories for the History Channel.


I agree, people are complaining when, yes they sent out some faulty equiptment but they obviously didnt know that it was like that until people complained to them. Just be happy everything is getting replaced in a nice timely matter. Xbox put out faulty hardware and it takes 2-3 months just to get it fixed. I work in a shipping department of a store and know that ups fees alone, are extremely expensive. A foot petal (mines broken) probably costs them 15 dollars or more to ship using 2 day. something that they didnt have to do. A whole drum kit is probably 30 and a guitar would be around 30 also. Think about all that money, plus, they need to pay for return shipping. They need to pay to make new parts for all of you and they need to fix the old ones if possible. They are losing money on this, not you.

[MuyMacho]

...Maybe for the same reason you posted your message? They love the game and want to play it?

Harmonix created and put out this game. If there are great moments, they are responsible. If there are low moments like broken or faulty controllers, they are responsible.

They are taking action, but that's because that's what a good company does when they're responsible.

I'm loving the game, but I'm not above understanding that there are others not so lucky. My controllers all work, but that doesn't mean someone with faulty controllers and talking about it is a 'ADD noob' or whatever else you wrote in your opening salvo against everyone not in our same boat.

Remember that a post complaining about 'littering up the forums' is also in turn 'littering up the forums.'

In addition, I don't have the love I had for them when I saw how they sold the PS3 edition standalone without any way to play it. No support for the guitar they acted like they'd support (and do support on the 360 version), thusly, no way to play a PS3 game that is for sale in the store. Weird 'drop the ball' behavior.

[Eastwood]

I am really interested to see some stats here. I wonder what the defective ratio is for the game. If it is above 30%, then someone made a QA mistake somewhere. The traffic on the forums is highly negative at the moment because everyone who had a broken guitar came here to vent and anyone who has a functional guitar is playing the game in their spare time and not spending so much time here.

Like countless others have stated, HMX is just the developer. My HMX frustration in the beginning was misdirected because it should have been at EA, which it now undoubtedly is. If you check your bank statement, EA Games in Redwood is the company that holds your money, right now. The only thing you can really blame HMX for is a lack of a statement.

[JackBNimble]

Don't forget EA and HMX are partners in this installment of the game.And as partners they both share equal responsibility.

Last time I checked this was the OFFICIAL RB SITE where we as consumers of RB can come and share our views either good or bad.So anyone telling me to go to the EA boards to express my views can kiss myass!Besides there is no EA RB site ,this is it.

But since this is the RB site and HMX is partners with EA, then I would expect HMX being the voice of RB to come out with some sort of statement.People like myself would like to know what their (EA/HMX/MTV) plan is.

How are they planning to fix the problem with the peripherals?

Do they even believe there is a problem?

Are they going to ship the same product out?

Or are they planning on redesigning the basic functions of the periphs such as the strumbar ect.ect.?

I don't believe that it is to much to ask for some sort of response from EA/HMX.After all this is where we have all been getting our info from for months now.And asking these questions is not bashing HMX in any way.But as a paying customer I would expect an annoncement on the message boards or at the very least an E-mail.

[balth]

This is exactly what has my personal ire up.

I am a PS3 user. I spent an extra $100.00 on GH3 just so I could have an extra guitar. Luckily, I haven't opened it, and can still return it.

But the point is, that as a consumer, I feel lied to in a 'false advertising' kinda way. It even says directly on the box that it is compatible with most other guitar controllers. Well there's only one for the PS3!

You know what? Even forget that argument. Why there IS so much ire on the boards is the fact of poor communication with the people that have shelled out their hard-earned money, whether you make $10,000 a year OR $250,000+ a year.

The problem is that noone is addressing the problems of the people that ARE being vocal.

And it especially becomes an apparent problem when it is that of the person who has already sent his in and been charged on his credit card. I live in an impoverished area, where a GOOD job pays $8.00 an hour. (That's not what I make) So I can completely understand that even when someone saves up for the game, they may not have $100 to secure a replacement, or even *have* a credit card with which to do the securing!

I have to say that my bundle works perfectly; and I like the guitar strum bar BETTER than GH. But I do empathize with those who have defective equipment and/or basically have 'karaoke hero' because of no controller compatibility for the standalone game.

For someone who is wishing to engender positive will for Harmonix, you seem to be forgetting the addage "If you can't say something nice..."

I personally hope that the partner duo of EA/Harmonix releases some official statements today, rather than engendering more ill-will through lack of communication with those who ARE having difficulties. It would be even more awesome were they to give us a timetable on the Online BWT patch ;)

[Sonofmogh]

I know I said I'd stop responding to flames, but this one is too good...I had no choice...I'll let this guy decide whether or not he'll be the more mature man by not responding...this is hilarious. Sorry people...everyone else stay on topic..:D
Thanks for the laugh. My family spits on your dad's $250,000. Come by our ranch some time and I'll show you how to get rich the way people did back in the golden days of America. Land. Oil. Livestock. BWAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I'm sorry, but did you say livestock? OMG! I'm going to soil myself! LMAO@U!!!!!!! Why don't I cash in my "war bonds" while I'm at it! Or maybe I can get myself some slaves...that is how most people got rich "back in the golden days"!


How in the hell are you going to use the richest man in the world as an example? So you are trying to tell me that there are more people like Bill Gates than there are people in poverty. I feel sorry for you because you are one of the most economicaly and socially biased ignorant people on these boards. Bill Gates is the richest man in the world? You might want to check your source on that...unless you still live in 1993. I never said there are more people like Bill Gates than in poverty, you basically said EVERYONE lived paycheck to paycheck, and I used a random example to prove that you're wrong. And about me being one of the most economically and socially biased ignorant people on these boards...Thank you for the compliment...I'll tell my family that while we eat our steak tonight...and then maybe I'll post about it on the International High IQ Society forums...or I could always spark up a discussion with someone at my $40000 a year educational institution!


Anyone with a career and a 401k and any kind of savings plan, yes, you are broke until next paycheck. I make plenty of money and I hardly live in a dumpster. I, like you, am in college, but at the same time pay all my own way. I put money back into money market accounts, stocks and savings. I am not "broke," per say, but the money I choose to spend is thin until next paycheck because I dedicate one half of my generous salary to paying bills and saving. The other half is expendable. You might want to stop using the term "anyone" because that is an all-encompassing term...If you are trying to say that everyone is broke until the next paycheck once you subtract fixed expenses, savings and extra "entertainment" purchases (like Rock Band) then DUH! but if you mean to say what I think you're saying, then ur wrong because my parents have careers, 401Ks, savings plans, etc. and they aren't "broke until the next paycheck"...When you register for fall courses at your college, you might want to take a philosophy course called LOGIC because your's could use some strengthening.


The reason I am upset over $180 dollars is the same reason I turn off lights after myself, pack my lunch, and basically save as much money as possible is because I have better things to spend my money on! Plus, there are uneducated people out there who don't have the means to spend $180 on a game. Is it unfortunate? Yes! Just because I am well off does not mean that I should be wasteful. $180 could buy a family some groceries for a week. Why would uneducated people spend money on video games?
...didn't really think that one through. And if you earned your money, don't feel bad because you're spending it on games...lean out your car window and tell those "under-privledged" people to get a job and show some initiative...there is something they could be doing to pull themselves out of poverty...yes it's unfortunate, but it's not as though they have no choice. My uncle is flat broke and he lives in a bush...I don't feel sorry for him, he can work or starve...like everyone else in this country! Survival of the Fittest FTW!


For you to assume that my family is poor because I gripe over $180 just proves your ignorance. I'm also sorry that you are a spoiled, rich white kid. I'm sorry that I am a rich white kid who learned the value of a dollar. So go ahead and thump your chest and look down your nose at people who are worse off than you. You are only embarrassing yourself. I know the value of a dollar...rich people tend to make sure their children learn the value of a dollar so that they can follow in their parents' footsteps and be successful in life. $180 is the level of money that you are supposed to think pretty hard about spending before you just blow it, but then you're supposed to go "oh what the heck, why not? It's only 180 bucks."


Your dad's income is almost 7 times that of the median income for a 4 person family. Instead of looking down on those people, you should be grateful that you aren't in their shoes. We all have to start somewhere and some of those kids from poor families may end up in your dad's income bracket some day. It is also just as likely for people in our income bracket to end up down there. That is America.
True dat. I'm glad that I won't have to claw my way up like those born into poverty do...I was born with resources that other people don't have and for that I am truly grateful, but at the same time, it is all up to the person in question...if they work hard there is *almost* no limit to what they can achieve...conversely if someone like me skates through life like a spoiled brat, I probably won't accomplish much. I'll agree with you there.


So you can kiss my ass, because karma is a *****, he who crows loudest eats the most crow, and it is rich white kids like you who ruin for other white kids.

GFY Karma??? seriously? Karma. Wow! Where are you from?
Can anybody else believe this guy? KARMA!!! He thinks I'm gonna get run over by a bus or something because I flamed him on some mindless internet page! LMGDMFAO!!

Sorry I had to reply to this, I feel dirty just posting this because I know it won't solve anything, but I've already written it and it would be a shame to simply delete it all at this point, so I know I'm setting a bad example for someone who keeps saying "stay on topic", but I promise this is the LAST ONE! I swear!
Ya' know what lemme just end this right here...I can understand someone to whom $180 is a lot of money to spend on a game...I do, I make $11 an hour working part time and because I live at home with my dad, I don't have too many expenses other than my car payment which is $500 a month...so I don't have to worry about unexpected expense or anything that would make me nervous to blow 180 on a game (especially one that I've been waiting for since F***ing April!!!) Other people have real expenses like groceries and heating and electricity and to them this is probably a big deal if something they spend their hard earned cash on doesn't work properly...I'm sorry for starting this big pointless argument about how I've got a ton of money and thus I'm somehow better than everyone else...I didn't mean that, but I'm just saying that before you take your complaints on the forum and post a bunch of worries and fears and complaints, just wait for replacement stuff to arrive and then play the game...which is awesome! Please no more flames, I've apologized for all my ignorant opinions...let's end this garbage right now before this thread gets scraped.

[JackBNimble]

It would be even more awesome were they to give us a timetable on the Online BWT patch ;)

There are no plans for a WBT online patch.

[JackBNimble]

SONOFMOGH.................You are a SNOTTY rich kid,with know idea what the real world is all about.Why don't you just give it a rest already?
One day Mommy and Daddy wont be there to take care of you and hopefully then you will have a rude awakening.

[Eastwood]

I know I said I'd stop responding to flames, but this one is too good...I had no choice...I'll let this guy decide whether or not he'll be the more mature man by not responding...this is hilarious. Sorry people...everyone else stay on topic..:D BWAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I'm sorry, but did you say livestock? OMG! I'm going to soil myself! LMAO@U!!!!!!! Why don't I cash in my "war bonds" while I'm at it! Or maybe I can get myself some slaves...that is how most people got rich "back in the golden days"!

1. Bill Gates is the richest man in the world? You might want to check your source on that...unless you still live in 1993. I never said there are more people like Bill Gates than in poverty, you basically said EVERYONE lived paycheck to paycheck, and I used a random example to prove that you're wrong. And about me being one of the most economically and socially biased ignorant people on these boards...Thank you for the compliment... 2. I'll tell my family that while we eat our steak tonight...and then maybe I'll post about it on the International High IQ Society forums...or I could always spark up a discussion with someone at my $40000 a year educational institution!

3. You might want to stop using the term "anyone" because that is an all-encompassing term...If you are trying to say that everyone is broke until the next paycheck once you subtract fixed expenses, savings and extra "entertainment" purchases (like Rock Band) then DUH! but if you mean to say what I think you're saying, then ur wrong because my parents have careers, 401Ks, savings plans, etc. and they aren't "broke until the next paycheck"...When you register for fall courses at your college, you might want to take a philosophy course called LOGIC because your's could use some strengthening.

4. Why would uneducated people spend money on video games?
...didn't really think that one through. And if you earned your money, don't feel bad because you're spending it on games...lean out your car window and tell those "under-privledged" people to get a job and show some initiative...there is something they could be doing to pull themselves out of poverty...yes it's unfortunate, but it's not as though they have no choice. My uncle is flat broke and he lives in a bush...I don't feel sorry for him, he can work or starve...like everyone else in this country! Survival of the Fittest FTW!

5. I know the value of a dollar...rich people tend to make sure their children learn the value of a dollar so that they can follow in their parents' footsteps and be successful in life. $180 is the level of money that you are supposed to think pretty hard about spending before you just blow it, but then you're supposed to go "oh what the heck, why not? It's only 180 bucks."


6. True dat. I'm glad that I won't have to claw my way up like those born into poverty do...I was born with resources that other people don't have and for that I am truly grateful, but at the same time, it is all up to the person in question...if they work hard there is *almost* no limit to what they can achieve...conversely if someone like me skates through life like a spoiled brat, I probably won't accomplish much. I'll agree with you there.

7. Karma??? seriously? Karma. Wow! Where are you from?
Can anybody else believe this guy? KARMA!!! He thinks I'm gonna get run over by a bus or something because I flamed him on some mindless internet page! LMGDMFAO!!

8. Sorry I had to reply to this, I feel dirty just posting this because I know it won't solve anything, but I've already written it and it would be a shame to simply delete it all at this point, so I know I'm setting a bad example for someone who keeps saying "stay on topic", but I promise this is the LAST ONE! I swear!

Actually, after reading this, I don't loathe you as much. we actually have some common ground, here. I numbered your quote because I'm not good with HTML.

1. Sorry, I forgot that he was overtaken by a couple of people. That communications baron down in Mexico is now #1.

2. I appreciate that your family eats steak. That is where my family comes in. Your steak used to be my livestock. Thanks for giving me money for it. Continue to support the beef industry. My family obtained its wealth from real estate investments, oil leases, and from livestock, such as Angus beef.

3. I agree with you. I should have used a more qualifying term such as "majority." It really was sloppy logic on my part. I believe that our definition of the term broke is also not on the same page. My term for broke is "bank account not where I like it to be." It sounds like yours is "not put food on the table."

4. Uneducated people spend money that they don't have on video games because they are uneducated. They don't have the knowledge of saving and investing. My mom and I used to be in poverty and my family wouldn't lend us money or help us because they wanted us to pull ourselves out (this situation is what led to my sympathy of the poor. I've been there and it sucks.) I was lucky enough to be able to afford an education. This situation also led me to believe that if you really are living paycheck to paycheck, then you are financially irresponsible.

5. My thoughts when I reserved this game was "all this for ONLY $180." $180 is only used as a gripe for me because I could have bought other people gifts and waited for the second, bug free batch.

6. I'm happy that you were taught that, the same as me. I'm not where I am now because I coasted. I actually denied living with family and having them pay my way so I could feel what it is like to pay your own way through college. It builds character.

7. I'm from Texas and only used karma as a replacement for the phrase "what goes around, comes around." I personally feel that if you act like a W.A.S.P. towards people, whatever higher being or cosmic balance of things you believe in will smack you over the head with it at some point. I thought the word karma would be the best all - encompassing word to use.

8. Sorry to flame and pull the topic, well, off topic. I thought you were being a dick and gloating about personal wealth while there are people on this board not as fortunate as some. Can you help that you were born into it? No. I never blamed you for your situation, only your actions.

BTW: Def. survival of the fittest, FTW! Don't think I'm ******ed just because I;m from Texas. I've got a 136 I.Q. and go to a University, not Junior or Community College (no offense).

[jomni]

...Hahahahahaha! Oh wait, you're being serious, let me laugh even harder...BWAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow, what a stupid idea. Consider this, the main goal of Harmonix in creating this game was to "create as realistic a music making experience as possible"; how is mashing buttons on a 6 inch controller a realistic musical experience? Go play GH3...maybe you'll earn some achievements, unless you're a PS3 user...in which case, no achievements for you...oh and by the way, welcome to the forum!

I know I'm the only stupid person in the world who wants to play using controllers. That is because controllers are more reliable and they do not break down easily as other peripherals. I don't want to buy these peripherals because they are clutter when unused, they break after playing too much, and you will have to buy another set every so often to make Harmonix rich!

Harmonix and the majority does not acknowledge that there is a minority that wants to play using the controllers for what ever reason. They took that for granted in the previous games. And now they're losing customers and fans like me. I guess I'll just have to wait for the latest iteration of Konami's Guitar Freaks + Durm Mania. :(

Oh well, enough of the ranting as no one takes my side. I guess I'll play my real guitar and jam with my bandmates. You guys have fun with your toys and amateur musicians.

[Sonofmogh]

SONOFMOGH.................You are a SNOTTY rich kid,with know idea what the real world is all about.Why don't you just give it a rest already?
One day Mommy and Daddy wont be there to take care of you and hopefully then you will have a rude awakening. I already apologized, but I'm 19 ****ing years old and I don't need your ****...stop flaming already.

[Eastwood]

In all honesty, despite the busted controller, the game as a whole has been awesome. It is just a shame that HMX has to be associated with the likes of EA and MTV.

[Sonofmogh]

Actually, after reading this, I don't loathe you as much. we actually have some common ground, here. I numbered your quote because I'm not good with HTML.

1. Sorry, I forgot that he was overtaken by a couple of people. That communications baron down in Mexico is now #1.

2. I appreciate that your family eats steak. That is where my family comes in. Your steak used to be my livestock. Thanks for giving me money for it. Continue to support the beef industry. My family obtained its wealth from real estate investments, oil leases, and from livestock, such as Angus beef.

3. I agree with you. I should have used a more qualifying term such as "majority." It really was sloppy logic on my part. I believe that our definition of the term broke is also not on the same page. My term for broke is "bank account not where I like it to be." It sounds like yours is "not put food on the table."

4. Uneducated people spend money that they don't have on video games because they are uneducated. They don't have the knowledge of saving and investing. My mom and I used to be in poverty and my family wouldn't lend us money or help us because they wanted us to pull ourselves out (this situation is what led to my sympathy of the poor. I've been there and it sucks.) I was lucky enough to be able to afford an education. This situation also led me to believe that if you really are living paycheck to paycheck, then you are financially irresponsible.

5. My thoughts when I reserved this game was "all this for ONLY $180." $180 is only used as a gripe for me because I could have bought other people gifts and waited for the second, bug free batch.

6. I'm happy that you were taught that, the same as me. I'm not where I am now because I coasted. I actually denied living with family and having them pay my way so I could feel what it is like to pay your own way through college. It builds character.

7. I'm from Texas and only used karma as a replacement for the phrase "what goes around, comes around." I personally feel that if you act like a W.A.S.P. towards people, whatever higher being or cosmic balance of things you believe in will smack you over the head with it at some point. I thought the word karma would be the best all - encompassing word to use.

8. Sorry to flame and pull the topic, well, off topic. I thought you were being a dick and gloating about personal wealth while there are people on this board not as fortunate as some. Can you help that you were born into it? No. I never blamed you for your situation, only your actions.

BTW: Def. survival of the fittest, FTW! Don't think I'm ******ed just because I;m from Texas. I've got a 136 I.Q. and go to a University, not Junior or Community College (no offense).

1. Thanks for finding that out...I didn't know, I just knew that Bill wasn't number one.
2. A person can never have too much steak...even if they have to have a bypass...it's good protein and it's good for the soul! Yea BEEF!!!
3. Pretty much.
4. lol on the humorous part...yep on the serious part.
5. EXACTLY WHAT I FELT...I don't have to buy too many gifts because I'm only 19.
6. Yeah, I just don't want to have to live with someone...that's why I commute.
7. I just don't believe in karma...I'm agnostic.
8. I was kinda moving into the territory of being a pompous dick...that's why I decided to STFU at the end of my last flame...
BTW: Texas FTW! Red-state! not the crappy cold hell-hole liberal state I live in!

[tbradshaw]

This thread has gotten sufficiently derailed.