Next announcement "a move to a whole other realm".

[shay07]

hey guys i found this on www.xbox360fanboy.com and i found it pretty interesting



"In an interview with the Hollywood Reporter, MTV Networks' vice president of program enterprise Jeff Yapp talks about Rock Band's success at bringing together both video games and music onto one platform and touts Rock Band's massive amount of DLC. But, towards the end of the interview, when talking about the franchise's future Yapp couldn't help but dangle a carrot in front of Rock Band fanboys saying that "our next big announcement, which is coming up fairly quickly, is a move to a whole other realm".

So, what's the next big Rock Band surprise? Could it be the announcement of a sequel being releasing every year? Could it be something as simple as MTV Games announcing a deal between them and a major record label allowing unprecedented amounts of DLC? Or could it be something even bigger? You heard it here first kids, officially licensed Rock Band 80's hair extensions."

[Apples]

I'd interpret "whole other realm" as something that doesn't involve the traditional guitar, bass, drums, and rock genre.

Rock Band has taken the plastic instrument genre about as far as is reasonably possible IMHO, so I'd have to think the next project is a paradigm shift toward something else.


Edit: After re-reading that article, it could refer to something like something on the same engine, but a diffrent song genre... maybe country or pop ? Those use the same basic 4 instruments.

[eVan_Diesel]

Hopefully this will come in the form of DLC and not a whole new game to buy.

[SoulScreme]

This is most likely referring to the iPod game being developed by Harmonix.

[blue_dragonzero]

Please be DLC

[FScrib]

The "next realm" should involve a keytar.

Yeah.

[mobhit101]

Guarantee it's DJ Hero. Or something along the lines of a DJ game with turntables....

[Grayshadow]

With MTV involved, it could be one of two games. "Rap Posse", which includes additional microphones and handgun peripherals, or of course "The Real World - Online", a 7-player online game where you're partnered up with annoying people that you hate.

[FScrib]

Well, Beatmania has become domesticated, so that might be a tough one to get a hold of...

[erickOnasis412]

Hopefully this will come in the form of DLC and not a whole new game to buy.

amen..

i was thinking too the other day, for future Rock Band games, it would be a good idea if there were a way to upload all the previous rock band songs + DLC into the new game.. i hated downloading songs for GH2 and then having to keep swapping GH2 and GH3 discs to go back and play those..

and for the guy who mentioned the DJ game.. i'm not sure if the game is still being made, but Funkmaster Flex was working on a turntable game a year or two back i think, lol.. so the idea HAS crossed peoples minds before

[sushi111]

Its going to be creating your own music guys. And it wont be a game, it will be almost perfessional.

[SoulScreme]

With MTV involved, it could be one of two games. "Rap Posse", which includes additional microphones and handgun peripherals, or of course "The Real World - Online", a 7-player online game where you're partnered up with annoying people that you hate.

This Real World game sounds a lot like Halo 3 online...

[erickOnasis412]

Its going to be creating your own music guys. And it wont be a game, it will be almost perfessional.

doubtful.. that will single handedly ruin the music industry

[Goldfoot]

This is most likely referring to the iPod game being developed by Harmonix.

That's already out.

[PunkJr]

One of the rumors I've heard is that they're going to release a disc of Country songs...

[Stevenam81]

With MTV involved, it could be one of two games. "Rap Posse", which includes additional microphones and handgun peripherals, or of course "The Real World - Online", a 7-player online game where you're partnered up with annoying people that you hate.

You beat me to it. I am hoping its not Hip-Hop hero or Rap Hero. We all know it's just a matter of time....WIth MTV in charge, they'll do to video games what they did to television. The next Rock Band will probably let you play one or two good songs, then make you play reality mini games for a few hours before you get to play another song or two.

While I'm on the subject....I used to like MTV back in the early to mid 90s when they actually played music videos and showed concerts. Then in the late 90s they started playing more rap. I used to get so irritated because they would have a segment called MTV Jams where all they played was rap and hip-hop. That was bad enough but I just knew not to watch that. Then there was a segment that would last for a few hours called "Music Videos". I thought ok, they just finished playing rap for 2 hours, now they will play the stuff I like. Well during the "music videos" they played like 80% rap, 15% stuff like Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock, then 5% stuff I liked. Why even have "MTV Jams" if they play rap during the music videos anyway. That is when I stopped watching. Then MTV2 came along. The whole point of MTV2 was to play music because all MTV showed was reality shows. Who the hell wants to watch a 10 hour road rules marathon on a music station? Well, go put your TV on MTV2 and tell me what you see. It's all reality shows. So we now have two different MUSIC Television stations and neither of them playing music. I think MTV2 might play rap videos for a few hours each day. I hate MTV with a passion and when I heard that they bought out Harmonix I was worried. So far I love Rock Band and if MTV can help get labels for DLC I'm ok with it. But it won't change how I feel about MTV. Sorry for the long rant. I think my blood pressure just went up from typing this. And no, I'm not some old fat dude with a blood pressure problem. Just a slim 26 year old lol. That is just what thinking about MTV does to me.

[Bakkster]

Maybe it's the announcement of Theremin Hero? Instead of BWT, you have to make music for a horror movie. :D

[PinkFloyd]

they show you playing the game. Live.

[AdamBomb629]

Country music is not out of the realm of possibility (CMT logo has been present before) or this could be the full-blown announcement of the extensive internet connection/community.

[PinkFloyd]

doubtful.. that will single handedly ruin the music industry

kinda like how MTV is killing the industry?

[shay07]

I hope that its BWT online since before they said that it would be like programming for a MMO

[Ultrace]

I hope that its BWT online since before they said that it would be like programming for a MMO
That wouldn't qualify as a "whole new realm" to most people... On the other hand, someone did once comment that the DLC schedule and pricing in particular would "take your breath away" which also fell short of that expectation (although I continue to be pleased by it.)

I think this will be something to do with DLC. HMX has dropped the "hundreds if not thousands" number for DLC songs before... 3 songs a week (their current schedule after the initial burst) is not going to do that. Something will have to be stepped up.

[shavethewhales]

Edit: This was an idiotic post. Pretend it doesn't exist and have someone delete as soon as they can.

[Loozinit]

I think this will be something to do with DLC. HMX has dropped the "hundreds if not thousands" number for DLC songs before... 3 songs a week (their current schedule after the initial burst) is not going to do that. Something will have to be stepped up.

right, but once they start releasing actual classic cd's 10-16 trx at a time these numbers become more realistic.
*crosses fingers*

[KeyzerSoze1979]

Xylophone peripheral.......well one can hope anyways :p

[BathTub]

yeah it wouldn't take many albums to increase the number of available tracks quite quickly.

[the_spike]

It's either some sort of keyboard peripheral, something that involves us creating songs/charts or a new genre.

If it is country like people have been saying, I'd love the option to have a download pack with all the songs in it and a country theme for the current Rock Band set-up instead of an expansion disc.

Hell it might just be the announcement of a bunch of albums with pricing, release dates, etc.

[xenopherus]

You beat me to it. I am hoping its not Hip-Hop hero or Rap Hero. We all know it's just a matter of time....WIth MTV in charge, they'll do to video games what they did to television. The next Rock Band will probably let you play one or two good songs, then make you play reality mini games for a few hours before you get to play another song or two.

While I'm on the subject....I used to like MTV back in the early to mid 90s when they actually played music videos and showed concerts. Then in the late 90s they started playing more rap. I used to get so irritated because they would have a segment called MTV Jams where all they played was rap and hip-hop. That was bad enough but I just knew not to watch that. Then there was a segment that would last for a few hours called "Music Videos". I thought ok, they just finished playing rap for 2 hours, now they will play the stuff I like. Well during the "music videos" they played like 80% rap, 15% stuff like Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock, then 5% stuff I liked. Why even have "MTV Jams" if they play rap during the music videos anyway. That is when I stopped watching. Then MTV2 came along. The whole point of MTV2 was to play music because all MTV showed was reality shows. Who the hell wants to watch a 10 hour road rules marathon on a music station? Well, go put your TV on MTV2 and tell me what you see. It's all reality shows. So we now have two different MUSIC Television stations and neither of them playing music. I think MTV2 might play rap videos for a few hours each day. I hate MTV with a passion and when I heard that they bought out Harmonix I was worried. So far I love Rock Band and if MTV can help get labels for DLC I'm ok with it. But it won't change how I feel about MTV. Sorry for the long rant. I think my blood pressure just went up from typing this. And no, I'm not some old fat dude with a blood pressure problem. Just a slim 26 year old lol. That is just what thinking about MTV does to me.


I couldn't have said it better myself!!!!! I was hoping since guitar hero and now rock band have successfully shifted a lot of peoples focus back to rock and away from that insipid, moronic, repetitive, brainwashing rap/hip-hop sh*t, people would want to hear more rock. But MTV doesn't think we want more rock, hence your points about MTV jams. More than likely it (this groundbreaking news) will probably have something to do with rap. If not now, then in the future.
Rap and hip-hop is an insidious beast, taking over and ruining the music industry. Not only here in America, but all over the world... French rap, Japanese rap... It's gone too far. One peoples musical celebration of their culture has been deformed and perverted into an unstoppable behemoth, crushing all in its path. And it's those old white corporate fat-cats at MTV that are fueling the fire for this beast. Ugh... I could rant more but now my blood pressure is up too...

[Tiger of PTS]

I didn't read any of this thread, but just incase this hasn't been mentioned yet, I'm putting my money on:

Rock Band Arcade

[Eman311]

Beatles and Zep DLC?

my guess it's along the lines of major online distribution of DLC ala itunes, with whole artists being made available to HMX with their pickings of which songs make it into the game.

This would be different than " we want fortunate son." "ok, that will cost ______ dollars"

now it's "we want this record label and all its artists available to us for use in game"

[Eman311]

I didn't read any of this thread, but just incase this hasn't been mentioned yet, I'm putting my money on:

Rock Band Arcade

that's a pretty damn good guess.

[erickOnasis412]

Rap and hip-hop is an insidious beast, taking over and ruining the music industry.

granted you are entitled to your own opinion (even though it proves your ignorance, narrow mindedness, and lack of knowledge about any other culture other than your own) lets TRY to stay on topic, and not bother to pollute this thread with your meaningless views on what you like or do not like

[Ultrace]

I didn't read any of this thread, but just incase this hasn't been mentioned yet, I'm putting my money on:

Rock Band Arcade
Not likely. It's hard enough to keep GF and BM arcade equipment operating at peak performance. Can you imagine the maintenance of four different pieces of musical equipment at a time? Also, arcades are no longer the revenue stream they once were. While this fits "a whole other realm," it would be a bit disappointing.

[Stevenam81]

granted you are entitled to your own opinion (even though it proves your ignorance, narrow mindedness, and lack of knowledge about any other culture other than your own) lets TRY to stay on topic, and not bother to pollute this thread with your meaningless views on what you like or do not like

Ignorance is thinking music is just talking over a beat. Music is a mix of harmony, melody, and rhythm. Some guy talking about how much money he has, how many girls he has nailed, and how many homies he has shot over a computer generated beat is not music. I respect talent. A band playing together on stage where a guitarist, bassist, and drummer play actual instruments and have to be on time with each other is talent. A guy walking around on stage talking into a mic is far from it. Rap sells because it appeals to people who are not musically inclined, which happens to be a vast majority. They like rap because the beat isn't too complex for their brain and there isn't too much going on. Most girls just like rap because it's popular, that is what clubs play, and they like to shake their ass to it. Guy's like it because it is what clubs play, and girls like to shake their ass to it. Many people hear a bad ass Metallica or Pantera solo and just go, "what?" they can't keep up with it. It's sad that bands with the most talent aren't as recognized as rappers and groups like Green Day and Blink 182.

[JBabin3xb]

thats the best way i've seen it put

[Hellcat305]

I couldn't have said it better myself!!!!! I was hoping since guitar hero and now rock band have successfully shifted a lot of peoples focus back to rock and away from that insipid, moronic, repetitive, brainwashing rap/hip-hop sh*t, people would want to hear more rock. But MTV doesn't think we want more rock, hence your points about MTV jams. More than likely it (this groundbreaking news) will probably have something to do with rap. If not now, then in the future.
Rap and hip-hop is an insidious beast, taking over and ruining the music industry. Not only here in America, but all over the world... French rap, Japanese rap... It's gone too far. One peoples musical celebration of their culture has been deformed and perverted into an unstoppable behemoth, crushing all in its path. And it's those old white corporate fat-cats at MTV that are fueling the fire for this beast. Ugh... I could rant more but now my blood pressure is up too...


So true and for evidence of this check out the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees each year. How many REAL rockers are in there??? Yet the REAL rock bands remain unnominated....

not to be too off topic, but I really do appreciate the fact that for the most part Rock Band has REAL rock music in it! :D

[Akzidenz]

Ignorance is thinking music is just talking over a beat. Music is a mix of harmony, melody, and rhythm. Some guy talking about how much money he has, how many girls he has nailed, and how many homies he has shot over a computer generated beat is not music. I respect talent. A band playing together on stage where a guitarist, bassist, and drummer play actual instruments and have to be on time with each other is talent. A guy walking around on stage talking into a mic is far from it. Rap sells because it appeals to people who are not musically inclined, which happens to be a vast majority. They like rap because the beat isn't too complex for their brain and there isn't too much going on. Most girls just like rap because it's popular, that is what clubs play, and they like to shake their ass to it. Guy's like it because it is what clubs play, and girls like to shake their ass to it. Many people hear a bad ass Metallica or Pantera solo and just go, "what?" they can't keep up with it. It's sad that bands with the most talent aren't as recognized as rappers and groups like Green Day and Blink 182.

Dear mods: Can we please get a ban or a warning on this guy?

[Stevenam81]

Dear mods: Can we please get a ban or a warning on this guy?

Ha, are you serious? For what? Speaking my mind? This is the ROCK BAND website. Hopefully most people on this site love rock like I do. I'm sure many people on here feel the same way I do. I'm not making any personal attacks towards any members, using terrible language, or anything like that. Just stating how I feel about rap.

This thread has gotten a little off topic. Other than that I see no problem. Threads go off topic all the time.

[Transbrak]

Ignorance is thinking music is just talking over a beat. Music is a mix of harmony, melody, and rhythm. Some guy talking about how much money he has, how many girls he has nailed, and how many homies he has shot over a computer generated beat is not music. I respect talent. A band playing together on stage where a guitarist, bassist, and drummer play actual instruments and have to be on time with each other is talent. A guy walking around on stage talking into a mic is far from it. Rap sells because it appeals to people who are not musically inclined, which happens to be a vast majority. They like rap because the beat isn't too complex for their brain and there isn't too much going on. Most girls just like rap because it's popular, that is what clubs play, and they like to shake their ass to it. Guy's like it because it is what clubs play, and girls like to shake their ass to it. Many people hear a bad ass Metallica or Pantera solo and just go, "what?" they can't keep up with it. It's sad that bands with the most talent aren't as recognized as rappers and groups like Green Day and Blink 182.

QFT this guy shouldnt be banned he should get an award for truthiness

[cuBERT]

Will the quest for more cowbell finally end???



Sorry

[psyborg]

Are you guys saying that the quality of MTV has declined over the years?!!!

News to me!

:rolleyes:

[Garthdude2]

well i think it is DLC, and you are in a little world you can walk in and talk to people to et shows and post up signs for ur band! kinda like that thread about what you would like to be in the game, it's "Rise Up" and their is a story behind it and your the band leader and you fire/hire bandmates and get newer and better instruments and amps, etc, so you can sound kick a**! Then you become a star and you go into interviews and talk about bands and u get all the rich stuff and you buy house and practice in a studio or even at your house.

[0tj]

keyboards maybe? :D

[ClinTrojan]

I agree about rap and some hiphop......It is about as much "music" as the god awful boybands of the 90's

[Akzidenz]

Ha, are you serious? For what? Speaking my mind? This is the ROCK BAND website. Hopefully most people on this site love rock like I do. I'm sure many people on here feel the same way I do. I'm not making any personal attacks towards any members, using terrible language, or anything like that. Just stating how I feel about rap.

This thread has gotten a little off topic. Other than that I see no problem. Threads go off topic all the time.

Because you're flaming, you're derailing the thread, and you're being a dick to people for no reason. On any other forum you would've been gone a long time ago. But hey, go ahead and preach to the choir, gotta size up that e-peen to compensate.

Instead of stating opinion as fact, try opening your mind up a little bit. You understand hip-hop as well as those people going "what?" understand Metallica or Pantera. There's a huge difference between not caring for something that you do understand and hating something that you don't understand. Being unable to comprehend something breeds fear - the natural response to that fear is making an attempt to dismiss the thing that caused it. Hence the reason why so many people hate modern art, or experimental film, or hip-hop, or metal, or anything else markedly difficult to digest without effort.

Using a blanket statement to dismiss all hip-hop as worthless is as idiotic as dismissing all rock music as worthless, or all metal as worthless. There's always the good and the bad, the genuine treasures and the marketable crap.

Now instead of getting all red in the face and posting something nasty back at me, why don't you just chill your sh!t out. And if you're going to ask me to educate you on why hip-hop is a valid medium - why don't you go educate yourself?

[Tiger of PTS]

Not likely. It's hard enough to keep GF and BM arcade equipment operating at peak performance. Can you imagine the maintenance of four different pieces of musical equipment at a time? Also, arcades are no longer the revenue stream they once were.

Hahahahahah

[scarecrow521]

Stevenam is perfectly justified to say what he's saying, I think, and I wholeheartedly agree with his opinions. Rap should stay far, far away from a game called ROCK Band.

[Tiger of PTS]

Unless it was like.

The Roots.

[xenopherus]

granted you are entitled to your own opinion (even though it proves your ignorance, narrow mindedness, and lack of knowledge about any other culture other than your own) lets TRY to stay on topic, and not bother to pollute this thread with your meaningless views on what you like or do not like

Okay, tell me how it's NOT taking over the music industry... Scratch that, how it HASN'T taken it over. I live in Portland, Oregon. It's a very diverse state (in terms of different cultures/races/opinions: we're an extremely liberal and open minded community), Portland is a city that's very proud of its diversity. Now tell me how it is that a city so diverse, rap and hip/hop is the music that is played everywhere nearly exclusively??? Every car that drives by it's blaring. Everyone I work with listens to it and nothing else and, well you'd think that's the only music that exists from how they talk. It's gone beyond just being a "cool" and current music style into what I said before: A behemoth.

Since it's such an easily produced type of music (many accessible music computer programs), kids don't need to bother learning about how to read music, how to play an instrument and certainly don't need to know how to sing (and forget about that burden of writing coherent and meaningful lyrics, when you can just add nothing but slang and cursing to your rap. And don't forget if you run out of stuff to "rhyme" about, you can just repeat one phrase over and over ad nauseum). So now the industry is choked with all these wanna be "rappers", and with the easily satiated youtube youth of today, it's only becoming more and more clogged.

Also like I said before, one people's musical celebration of culture has been deformed and perverted; through commercialism. When someone in Russia starts up their own rap group, the whole genre becomes a joke. No less a joke than if some kids in Switzerland started up their own country western band and sang about the prairie and toting hay bales. Sometimes there's a style of music so innate to a certain people and culture, any other culture adopting it sounds and looks silly. And that's not ignorance, it's a simple fact.

[KaYotiX]

QFT this guy shouldnt be banned he should get an award for truthiness

I agree 100% Rap isnt music.....

[Stevenam81]

Because you're flaming, you're derailing the thread, and you're being a dick to people for no reason. On any other forum you would've been gone a long time ago. But hey, go ahead and preach to the choir, gotta size up that e-peen to compensate.

Instead of stating opinion as fact, try opening your mind up a little bit. You understand hip-hop as well as those people going "what?" understand Metallica or Pantera. There's a huge difference between not caring for something that you do understand and hating something that you don't understand. Being unable to comprehend something breeds fear - the natural response to that fear is making an attempt to dismiss the thing that caused it. Hence the reason why so many people hate modern art, or experimental film, or hip-hop, or metal, or anything else markedly difficult to digest without effort.

Using a blanket statement to dismiss all hip-hop as worthless is as idiotic as dismissing all rock music as worthless, or all metal as worthless. There's always the good and the bad, the genuine treasures and the marketable crap.

Now instead of getting all red in the face and posting something nasty back at me, why don't you just chill your sh!t out. And if you're going to ask me to educate you on why hip-hop is a valid medium - why don't you go educate yourself?

I am chilled out. Now see....nobody was flaming or calling names until you showed up buddy. You are actually trying to make things personal and call me names. It's not like it bothers me. It's just the internet but I'm just saying...I don't recall singling anyone out and calling them names. Apparently the only person who thinks I am being a dick is you.

A lot of what I said is fact. I do understand hip-hop. That's probably why I can't stand it. The only hip-hop I have ever liked is stuff back in the mid 90s like Spice 1. There is actually melody to it and they actually use English. Everyone knows rap has just gotten plain lazy. They don't even use English anymore. It's all shizzle dizzle nizzle. What the hell does that mean? When they can't think of a word that rhymes they just make one up. Rhyming the word yeah at the end of every line isn't talent. Spice 1 never did that. I have a few friends that like "Old School" hip-hop and it's not bad. I can get into it. I just can't stand today's rap and hip-hop. I don't fear it. The only thing I fear is that it's going to plague the music scene even more than it already has. Almost every commercial I see on TV uses rap and hip-hop for its music. Not even good hip-hop.

Maybe when rappers like Missy Elliot, 50 Cent, and all the others learn how to speak proper English I will have a little bit of respect for them. I saw a commercial the other day where she said, "I know what it need." That is how they talk. Before we know it, it will be acceptable to talk that way.

I give everything a chance. Art, film, all those things you mentioned. I'm not a close minded person at all. I guess it's just my opinion, but I've given rap and hip-hop it's chance. I don't see the talent in it. I saw talent in some rap back when they used English and actually took their time when writing a song. Now they go into a studio with some beats, and record an album in one day. That is why its so widespead. It takes them no time at all to pump out new tunes, because its all quantity not quality. I don't know about you but I prefer quality music.

Remember kids, you can't spell CRAP without RAP.

[SoKGiX]

Because you're flaming, you're derailing the thread, and you're being a dick to people for no reason. On any other forum you would've been gone a long time ago. But hey, go ahead and preach to the choir, gotta size up that e-peen to compensate.

Instead of stating opinion as fact, try opening your mind up a little bit. You understand hip-hop as well as those people going "what?" understand Metallica or Pantera. There's a huge difference between not caring for something that you do understand and hating something that you don't understand. Being unable to comprehend something breeds fear - the natural response to that fear is making an attempt to dismiss the thing that caused it. Hence the reason why so many people hate modern art, or experimental film, or hip-hop, or metal, or anything else markedly difficult to digest without effort.

Using a blanket statement to dismiss all hip-hop as worthless is as idiotic as dismissing all rock music as worthless, or all metal as worthless. There's always the good and the bad, the genuine treasures and the marketable crap.

Now instead of getting all red in the face and posting something nasty back at me, why don't you just chill your sh!t out. And if you're going to ask me to educate you on why hip-hop is a valid medium - why don't you go educate yourself?

dude, what the hell are you talking about? at what point did he start flaming? on another forum you would have been gone by now by your own free will, cuz this forum is nothing compared to many many many others i frequent.

rap music does suck, it's demeaning, unskilled, generic, played-out and perpetuates many of the stereotypes intelligent individuals fight to destroy.

now hip-hop, on the other hand, is cultured, relevant, experimental, politically or philosophically charged art that explores others ideologies or unique abilities in constructive ways. Much like what you said

if anyone hasn't yet found artists to clearly demonstrate the difference between these two types of music, feel free to PM me and i'd be happy to point you in the right direction.

[sa_nick]

Well i think this "whole other realm" thing will be 1 of 2 things.

Back around the time of E3 when Little Steven was officially announced to be heading the Rock Band DLC music advisory board there were several interviews with him where he talked about, in length, getting unsigned bands and making their music available for DLC. He didn't talk about zeppelin or AC/DC or anything, just unknown bands and how great it would be for them.

If it's not that or an extension of it with more MTV and consumer involvement them I'm guessing it's just going to be the new community site that's being unleashed in the coming weeks. Its sounding like its gonna be pretty sweet, probably the biggest and best gaming community site ever made.

[ausfrot]

Releasing the dev tools so we can make our own home grown songs.

[blue_dragonzero]

Releasing the dev tools so we can make our own home grown songs.

They have talked about that...

[ausfrot]

they havent offically announced it tho

[Tekkor]

My guess?

I bet they will announce that they plan to release a DLC "expansion" that adds an expanded online "band" setup. A variation of BWT but not the same thing. It will allow people to create a band online, tour around to clubs...but it will also have rock tournaments where bands will play sets and compete against each other etc etc.

They are sorta going to make a online version expansion. Probably charge $20 for it or something.

Sounds like a whole new realm to me.

[JustinCredible]

I was going to make a comment about the realm being another comment about eventually releasing the game in other countries...

but seeing how pathetic these posts are about how rap is ruining music... Seeing how pissy and just how embarrassing the tirades are and the sheepishly idiotic "QFT" posts which follow behind in line like the irritating virus infected followers of rap these post claim to hate; I can no longer continue...

I do hope that one day all crappy music is stamped out, unfortunately... some of your favourite bands would be tossed aside in the harvest.

Due to me being such a kind hearted soul that I am, I delay the inevitable Armageddon of music so that you may enjoy your guilty little pleasures and even possibly enjoy them in your 360 (or Rock band Console of your choice). The one you'd swear to hate, but secretly hide under your pillow and cry yourself to sleep with.

Hear me people, each one of you has a dirty little ****ty band in your closet. Let us not waste our efforts tearing each other apart pointing out the shortcomings of the music industry, but promote and offer the tasty morsels that we enjoy ourselves. Some people may not have the stomach or the taste buds for the table you may set. Wish them well ye fellow patrons and suggest other restaurants for them to eat at. Let us promote the good and ignore the bad.

Lets try and be a shining example of folks who try not to tear down others with fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling. Forty years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanoes, the dead rising from the grave, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria.

Lets be New Testament Jesus... Don't be the guy in the PG-13 movie everyone's *really* hoping makes it happen. Be like the guy in the rated R movie, the guy who gets **** done.

Lets all live in a world where man, woman and child strum together in harmony. Bill and Ted did it? Why not? If RUN-DMC and Aerosmith could walk this way... couldn't we?



...AND SCENE.

[ivan50265]

I personally would love it if the "whole other realm" was an online world tour.

[Flyinsquirrel145]

With MTV involved, it could be one of two games. "Rap Posse", which includes additional microphones and handgun peripherals, or of course "The Real World - Online", a 7-player online game where you're partnered up with annoying people that you hate.

haha, i wouldnt be surprised

[Kylekillgannon]

This thread is fun XD

[TuRDMaN]

rap music does suck, it's demeaning, unskilled, generic, played-out and perpetuates many of the stereotypes intelligent individuals fight to destroy.

now hip-hop, on the other hand, is cultured, relevant, experimental, politically or philosophically charged art that explores others ideologies or unique abilities in constructive ways. Much like what you said
Just to derail this thread even further.... Hiphop is not music. Hiphop is a culture. Hiphop is made up of 4 elements: MCing (rapping), DJing, dancing (b-boying or breakdancing), and art (grafitti). Now, people tend to try to categorize music into rap and hiphop as different genres, but that is wrong. The music of hiphop is rap.
However, many rappers don't know their ass from their elbow when it comes to hiphop. They just know if they grab a mic and cuss, they'll have legions of fans and tons of money. The majority of the music I listen to is hiphop music, but I would never listen to the garbage they play on MTV. Commercial rap does not do it for me.
There are plenty of MCs that write meaningful and thought provoking lyrics (without profanity even!), and deliver them over unique, creative music. It takes a lot more skill to write good rap lyrics than it does to write lyrics for any other genre. Just think, the whole base of the music is what the MC is saying. There are a lot more words to write, and more wordplay, rhymes, and other literary devices. No, it won't be as instrumentally demanding as a good rock song. They both have something different to offer. I know this is the wrong forum to be promoting hiphop on, but don't just go bashing hiphop because of some crappy commercial gangster rap. Give REAL hiphop a chance.

ROCK ON!

[NickBalto]

its gotta be 'conductor hero' with a full orcheastral band

[erickOnasis412]

the whole rap/hip hop discussion isn't going to get us anywhere.. people are going to hate certain things, and you'll never be able to change their minds about it.. that's just the way things are lol

i really could care less how many people here think rap music sucks, cuz my only point for signing up for this message board was to discuss things about Rock Band..

[SoKGiX]

Just to derail this thread even further.... Hiphop is not music. Hiphop is a culture. Hiphop is made up of 4 elements: MCing (rapping), DJing, dancing (b-boying or breakdancing), and art (grafitti). Now, people tend to try to categorize music into rap and hiphop as different genres, but that is wrong. The music of hiphop is rap.
However, many rappers don't know their ass from their elbow when it comes to hiphop. They just know if they grab a mic and cuss, they'll have legions of fans and tons of money. The majority of the music I listen to is hiphop music, but I would never listen to the garbage they play on MTV. Commercial rap does not do it for me.
There are plenty of MCs that write meaningful and thought provoking lyrics (without profanity even!), and deliver them over unique, creative music. It takes a lot more skill to write good rap lyrics than it does to write lyrics for any other genre. Just think, the whole base of the music is what the MC is saying. There are a lot more words to write, and more wordplay, rhymes, and other literary devices. No, it won't be as instrumentally demanding as a good rock song. They both have something different to offer. I know this is the wrong forum to be promoting hiphop on, but don't just go bashing hiphop because of some crappy commercial gangster rap. Give REAL hiphop a chance.

ROCK ON!

i know, trust me, i've hit scribble jam in cinci the past few years and following it even longer. why would i be talking bout anything but the mcs/djs in a music forum anyway?

and you can say its wrong all you want, but i'll continue to seperate the rap from hip-hop as far as genres go. rap is garbage and really doesn't use many of the literary devices we explore in school, save for a few select artists. and doesn't best buy have separate rap and hip-hop sections?

i know of few of my favorites do the same, and hopefully many others would as well. i know i wouldn't want to be associated with the mainstream club/gangster rap. F that ****, it really is a scourge.

[polishdog90]

*Crosses Fingers* Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin, CMON LED ZEPPELIN!

[SoKGiX]

and i'll second that to get back on track




and some silversun pickups.... and modest mouse....

[Astrallight]

is it the sculptures of your characters that you can order and the t-shirts of your band?

[Angry_Games]

With MTV involved, it could be one of two games. "Rap Posse", which includes additional microphones and handgun peripherals, or of course "The Real World - Online", a 7-player online game where you're partnered up with annoying people that you hate.

this is pretty much what I suspect coming from MTV, or maybe a "Pimp My <insert item to be pimped here>" game and the peripherals are wrenches, paint sprayers, and a pizza box.

[xnowandtheworldx]

granted you are entitled to your own opinion (even though it proves your ignorance, narrow mindedness, and lack of knowledge about any other culture other than your own) lets TRY to stay on topic, and not bother to pollute this thread with your meaningless views on what you like or do not like

Aren't you just contradicting yourself there just a little?

Anyways. On topic.

I'm hoping for something bad ass I really have know guesses but one can only hope that it is something great.

EDIT:

To the post about Aerosmith and RUN-DMC...RUN-DMC was actually a GOOD rap group. :)

[Coldplayer]

How about they release Rockband outside of the US first, before announcing more games? :mad:

Well, I don't think it's a new game announcement anyway. Hopefully it's just a lot of DLC.

[Credge]

There is a difference between hip-hop and rap. Rap is always spoken, never sung. Hip-hop can be sung.

To go even further, hip-hop, generally, has real instruments, real structure, and a general real quality to it. For an example of a Hip-hop artist, see Gnarls Barkley.

Rap, generally, does not have real instruments, pre-designed structure, and a very generic quality to it. For an example of a rap artist, see 50-Cent.

There is a difference.

On Topic: MTV is going to announce GTV. Gaming Television where they start by showing games like TFC/FF/TF2, WC3/SC, Tekken/DoA, Smash Bros, etc. and eventually start to show ****tier and ****tier games, such as Def Jam fight games.

[nicko68]

Sometimes there's a style of music so innate to a certain people and culture, any other culture adopting it sounds and looks silly. And that's not ignorance, it's a simple fact.

That was the joke in Office Space when you had these white collar high tech nerds listening to gangsta rap. It was meant as a joke back then, only now it's more true. :)

[Storybook77]

There is a difference between hip-hop and rap. Rap is always spoken, never sung. Hip-hop can be sung.

To go even further, hip-hop, generally, has real instruments, real structure, and a general real quality to it. For an example of a Hip-hop artist, see Gnarls Barkley.

Rap, generally, does not have real instruments, pre-designed structure, and a very generic quality to it. For an example of a rap artist, see 50-Cent.
There is a difference.

On Topic: MTV is going to announce GTV. Gaming Television where they start by showing games like TFC/FF/TF2, WC3/SC, Tekken/DoA, Smash Bros, etc. and eventually start to show ****tier and ****tier games, such as Def Jam fight games.

False. Most big name producers use in-house musicians to help construct their "beats". Most use at the very least a bassist and a drummer. This is part of the reason you are starting to see more cross-over producers.

[Grey_Street]

Anyone else think this could be the big Gamespy announcement that never happened?

[LongDarkBlues]

There is a difference between hip-hop and rap. Rap is always spoken, never sung. Hip-hop can be sung.

To go even further, hip-hop, generally, has real instruments, real structure, and a general real quality to it. For an example of a Hip-hop artist, see Gnarls Barkley.

Rap, generally, does not have real instruments, pre-designed structure, and a very generic quality to it. For an example of a rap artist, see 50-Cent.


Sorry - I'm going to have to also say that's not really it. Hip-Hop is the musical genre and the culture that goes with it, Rapping is the musical act of speaking words on the beat and far predates Hip-Hop.

[Spear_of_Destiny]

One peoples musical celebration of their culture has been deformed and perverted into an unstoppable behemoth, crushing all in its path. And it's those old white corporate fat-cats...

im totally with this guy but this part almost made me laugh my daddy parts off. it sounds like what we did to the black man's blues music and jazz as we/they created rock and roll and took it away from them. ive heard that argument that they made then and hearing this now its funny, but scary because of what that portends...

note: i wasnt around in the 50s but i was a history major, and my research led me to know what i do about that.

[Credge]

False. Most big name producers use in-house musicians to help construct their "beats". Most use at the very least a bassist and a drummer. This is part of the reason you are starting to see more cross-over producers.

No, it isn't.

The majority of rap songs use high quality midi, much like what most games use. The frequencies produced in rap songs are lower than both a bass and kick-drum can produce.


Sorry - I'm going to have to also say that's not really it. Hip-Hop is the musical genre and the culture that goes with it, Rapping is the musical act of speaking words on the beat and far predates Hip-Hop.

This is a very common misconception. Hip-hop is a music genre that turned into a culture. Hip-hop artists can rap, but generally do not. Those that do generally rap about things that are of substance.

According to your definition, both 50 cent and Gnarls Barkley are part of the same genre, and this is not true. There is a difference between hip-hop and rap. Hip-hop has elements of rap inside of it and rap spawned from hip-hop, however, they are not the same thing.

Again, this is a very common misconception... much like how some people categorize certain country music types as rock, such as Red Dirt, however, it is still country.

[tf5_bassist]

The majority of rap songs use high quality midi, much like what most games use. The frequencies produced in rap songs are lower than both a bass and kick-drum can produce.

There is no such thing as "high quality midi"... Midi is a number. a number that tells the computer what sound to play. whether the computer is playing an FM-modulated sound created by an algorhythm or telling it to play "basskick001.wav" as a sample triggered by said midi code is totally different, but "high quality midi" doesn't count. sorry.

and those "frequencies produced in rap songs" are the creation of synths samplers and other mathematically-powered machines/software, such as the almighty 808.

I've used them in rock recordings, too. Believe it or not, my computer did not blow up, and the mixes did not make people's heads explode in a fiery rectal discharge of unawesomosity.

[CableCarrier]

On Topic: MTV is going to announce GTV. Gaming Television where they start by showing games like TFC/FF/TF2, WC3/SC, Tekken/DoA, Smash Bros, etc. and eventually start to show ****tier and ****tier games, such as Def Jam fight games.

The first two Def Jam games were good, and I'll fight anyone who says differently. But I have dibs on Henry Rollins.

[TheWabbit]

I would be happy if CMT released a Country Band companion with Rock Band. I guess the steel guitar could be played with the Strat/Xplorer laid across the lap (but it needs a slider in the neck or something). I would definitely go for a fiddle (an instrument I can play) and keyboard/piano (my primary instrument).

I definitely would play/sing some George Strait, Alan Jackson, Toby Keith from newer era plus Hank Williams, Kenny Rodgers, Johnny Cash, Charlie Daniels and the other legends.

Wishful thinking.

[fujouri]

I can't believe everyone has missed the obvious.

This new realm can only be one thing.

4 dance pads

4 mics

BOY BAND!

I can't wait
:)

[SoulScreme]

I can't believe everyone has missed the obvious.

This new realm can only be one thing.

4 dance pads

4 mics

BOY BAND!

I can't wait
:)

What about a peripheral to allow you to simulate being molested by Lou Perlman?

[tf5_bassist]

I would be happy if CMT released a Country Band companion with Rock Band. I guess the steel guitar could be played with the Strat/Xplorer laid across the lap (but it needs a slider in the neck or something). I would definitely go for a fiddle (an instrument I can play) and keyboard/piano (my primary instrument).

I definitely would play/sing some George Strait, Alan Jackson, Toby Keith from newer era plus Hank Williams, Kenny Rodgers, Johnny Cash, Charlie Daniels and the other legends.

Wishful thinking.

This is what my wife is severely stoked for, and I'd have to say I am too, it'd be fun.

[FallenAce]

Rhyming the word yeah at the end of every line isn't talent.
I hate Juvenile. My girlfriend had a Juvenile poster up in her apartment years ago that said, "A Multiplatinum hotboy doesn't rest on his laurels." WTF is that? He calls himself a <I>hotboy</I>?


Maybe when rappers like Missy Elliot, 50 Cent, and all the others learn how to speak proper English I will have a little bit of respect for them. I saw a commercial the other day where she said, "I know what it need." That is how they talk. Before we know it, it will be acceptable to talk that way.
You should rent "Idiocracy". You'll enjoy it.

---As for the rest of this thread, which I read in entirety to this point---

If it's a country add-on, they'd better include really old crappy karaoke country, akin to what happens if you go to the same old hole-in-the-wall dive bar on the south side of Indianapolis that happens to do karaoke Fri-Sat-Sun night. Crap like "You Never Even Call Me By My Name" and hopefully Toby Keith's "The Angry American". That would <I>rock</I>.

If it were a boy band expansion, that would also be awesome, and I'll out <I>Pop-n-Lock</I> any of you any day.

[Stevenam81]

You should rent "Idiocracy". You'll enjoy it.

Yeah, I just looked it up. I'll definately check that out soon. Thanks for suggestion. Although, I might have nightmares. It is already a fear of mine that in the next 20 - 30 years, all of my schooling and learning will have been for nothing. You know, when everyone stops speaking poper English and everyone starts speaking ebonics. Apparently, in todays world, it's racist to teach English in school and not have a class on ebonics. I mean we have Spanish, French, and German. Why not teach a language that is just a lazy unintelligent way of speaking English? I feel sorry for today's English teachers. That have a very tough jobs now days.

[Kingfish]

I would be happy if CMT released a Country Band companion with Rock Band...
I definitely would play/sing some George Strait, Alan Jackson, Toby Keith from newer era plus Hank Williams, Kenny Rodgers, Johnny Cash, Charlie Daniels and the other legends.

Wishful thinking.

Am i the only one that can't get a couple of scenes from Blues Brothers outta their head?

Elwood: What kind of music do you usually have here?
Claire: Oh, we got both kinds. We got country *and* western.

and when 'Blue Lou' looks at the stage... "Chicken wire?"

Classic...I could prolly play some country...hope they include southern rock into it tho...i can only stomach so much 'pure' country.

[SwiftJ]

4 drum kits = Drumline : The Game!

[SmellyIrishMan]

"new realm"? EU release date... please! ( I see only one other person has said this amongst the rest of the "rap-crap" debate )

[Bakkster]

Am i the only one that can't get a couple of scenes from Blues Brothers outta their head?

Elwood: What kind of music do you usually have here?
Claire: Oh, we got both kinds. We got country *and* western.

and when 'Blue Lou' looks at the stage... "Chicken wire?"

Classic...I could prolly play some country...hope they include southern rock into it tho...i can only stomach so much 'pure' country.

Hells yes, that would be awesome! Stand By Your Man, Rawhide, Ghost Riders in the Sky!

Oh, and chicken wire. :cool:

[LongDarkBlues]

This is a very common misconception. Hip-hop is a music genre that turned into a culture. Hip-hop artists can rap, but generally do not. Those that do generally rap about things that are of substance.

According to your definition, both 50 cent and Gnarls Barkley are part of the same genre, and this is not true. There is a difference between hip-hop and rap. Hip-hop has elements of rap inside of it and rap spawned from hip-hop, however, they are not the same thing.

Sorry again, man, but you're just wrong - and it's a common misconception (Similar to the baby boomer myth that Rock started in the mid-50s). Rapping, as we know it, goes back to at least the mid-50s-early 60s (Oscar Brown Jr., Bo Diddley, etc) and certainly was well established by the late 60s/early 70s (the Last Poets were 'rappin' black', Melvin Van Peebles, Gil Scott Heron, etc). Hip-Hop, the musical genre, came about in the late 70s as Kool Herc brought the Jamaican toasting tradition of talking freestyle over the PA to NYC and started DJing parties and others began rapping over it. The Hip-Hop culture sprung up around that.

50 Cent and Gnarls Barkley are indeed both Hip-Hop artists, with Gnarls Barkely more interested in Soul vocals and 50 Cent being clearly focused on rapping (terribly, I might add), in general. I'd be more than happy to go on about this - I wrote a thesis on the origins of Hip-Hop and how they paralleled the decline of black artists in Rock.

[Mushroom]

Oh definatly, Blues Band would be awesome.

I really hope it's a UK release date, but that's not a "whole new realm"

[seafisch]

"The Real World - Online", a 7-player online game where you're partnered up with annoying people that you hate.


This Real World game sounds a lot like Halo 3 online...

Indeed it does.

As for the rap argument, I will say that a lot of rap music played on commercial radio stations is absolute garbage generated by lazy, greedy MFers with no musical talent.

But I will also say that a lot of music played on commercial radio stations is absolute garbage generated by lazy, greedy MFers with no musical talent.

Which is sad, because it speaks to the musical taste of the general public, and it hinders the music that is truly good from getting the exposure it deserves.

[Dino Ridiculous]

Not trying to keep up the war, but the guy who started talking about rap as not being a valid form of music or whatever, absolutely has the right to that opinion. I personally agree. It's just a matter of taste. I mean I think country is a form of music but I really don't like it.

Just to point out though, rap is sampling music from everyone under the moon, kind of hard to claim it as original music when it takes pieces of other songs and incorporates it into a lot of fast talking. I guess I really like rock because it talks about going out, partying and getting chicks, and I don't like rap because it usually talks about their dead friends, their new cars, their drugs, guns, bling, beating someone up, etc, etc...

[LongDarkBlues]

Not trying to keep up the war, but the guy who started talking about rap as not being a valid form of music or whatever, absolutely has the right to that opinion. I personally agree. It's just a matter of taste. I mean I think country is a form of music but I really don't like it.

Just to point out though, rap is sampling music from everyone under the moon, kind of hard to claim it as original music when it takes pieces of other songs and incorporates it into a lot of fast talking. I guess I really like rock because it talks about going out, partying and getting chicks, and I don't like rap because it usually talks about their dead friends, their new cars, their drugs, guns, bling, beating someone up, etc, etc...

Wait.. are you trying to say that Hip-Hip songs aren't often about going out, partying and getting chicks? That's patently absurd.

Anyway - being a valid art form and liking said art form are totally different concepts. Your not liking something has nothing to do with it's artistic validity. I find jazz after the 50s to be incredibly dull, but that doesn't invalidate the art form. As far as sampling goes, anyone who's listened to anything besides Puff Daddy - an incredible hack - probably can't even tell the original song from a sample - often it's a particular drum sound - a great disco bass beat, for example - not an entire song. The work that goes into arranging beats is a hell of a lot more work than most bands ever put into creating guitar riffs - how many times can one milk the same 5 power chords? or the same noodley harmonic solo? It boggles my mind that people have a problem with creative sampling but be fine with creatively-bankrupt run-of-the-mill guitar playing (Nickelback, Creed, etc.).

Here's some excellent Hip-Hop that has nothing to do with drugs, guns, cars, etc. and I'd bet money you can't name the song the samples come from:
Saul Williams - Black Stacey (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kRsgavuG4sg)
Aesop Rock - None Shall Pass (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l1u43KDiWD0)
El-P - Flyentology (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2dBqGINeDvg)
Pharoahe Monch - Body Baby (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=anHjPUjD7q8)
Brother Ali - Uncle Sam Goddamn (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OO18F4aKGzQ&feature=user)
Sage Francis - Sea Lion (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nfuDW_FBPXA)
Jedi Mind Tricks - Uncommon Valor: A Vietnam Story (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mh6KAcGjCu0)

[AVC808]

i skipped through most of the banter. to get back onto the OP topic...this could be a preview of some of the things...like releasing singles first on rock band before hitting radio or mtv.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/nov/23/band-hand-mtv-eyes-evolution/

[Dino Ridiculous]

As said above, it's all about taste. I understand that there is all sorts of Hip Hop and rap. But in MY OPINION, there is nothing interesting about the music. Unless I want to hear the N word about a 1000 times. Also, sampling is one thing, using the same chords is another. I believe Vanilla Ice tried to argue that point..........

[LongDarkBlues]

As said above, it's all about taste. I understand that there is all sorts of Hip Hop and rap. But in MY OPINION, there is nothing interesting about the music. Unless I want to hear the N word about a 1000 times. Also, sampling is one thing, using the same chords is another. I believe Vanilla Ice tried to argue that point..........

Yes, but how does your opinion relate to anything in the discussion? You say 'sampling is one thing, using the same chords is another' - what's the difference as far as 'authentic' merit goes? Is the value of music derived solely from the ability to recreate every single sound in an acoustic environment? You say you understand there's different kinds of hip-hop, but then pigeonhole it and assume it's all about hearing 'the N word about 1000 times.'

Also, in not one of those songs, I believe, will you hear the N word.

[Dino Ridiculous]

Long,

I don't have a problem with the slow smooth sounds of R&B or the dance rhythms of Hip Hop. As long as they are not putting down woman and emphasizing the importance of drugs, murders and gangs. I may not like them but at least it's not putting out a negative message. I'm talking about that bass infested garble that the majority of the planet now calls rap. You can't deny that most of this stuff is not of the pleasant nature. I understand that you enjoy that music and that is your right. I was just saying that I doesn't sound as good to the ears as someone that plays and instrument and can hold a tune. I mean the ying yang twins whispered through a song and if you heard the song before and know the lyrics? That's complete garbage........

[DShiz1029]

No silly gooses, its going to be Rave Hero w/turntable controller!!!

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[Dino Ridiculous]

Haha, how did this topic get turned into a rap debate anyways? Oh well, anyways, has there been any update on the big announcement? Any timetable?

[djbarg]

[QUOTE=shay07;146893]hey guys i found this on www.xbox360fanboy.com and i found it pretty interesting



"In an interview with the Hollywood Reporter, MTV Networks' vice president of program enterprise Jeff Yapp talks about Rock Band's success at bringing together both video games and music onto one platform and touts Rock Band's massive amount of DLC. But, towards the end of the interview, when talking about the franchise's future Yapp couldn't help but dangle a carrot in front of Rock Band fanboys saying that "our next big announcement, which is coming up fairly quickly, is a move to a whole other realm".
QUOTE]

Maybe the whole other realm is to have WORKING CONTROLERS?

[HeXcoda]

I gotta get me some POLKA HERO.

I could also go for Lounge Band, Cowbell Hero, or Waltz Waltz Industrial Revolution.

And yeah, I could go for a hip hop game. But just like how some folks can't stand Fall Out Boy in Rock Band because of its stranglingly horrible emo wailings, I'd probably skip over any crappy Bling & Beyotches tracks in favor of the more thoughtful and well crafted indie stuff... get some Aesop Rock, Sage Francis, MF DOOM, DJ Dangermouse, etc in there, and we'll talk.

Music has hundreds of genres and those genres have hundreds of subgenres. Be careful what level you peg down as "not music" or "not valid" because go too close to the roots of "entertaining audio" and you lose your arguement instantly. Saying all hiphop is about violence, drugs, and disrespect to women is like saying every rock band is about spandex, hair spray, and lines of cocaine.

[Theuke]

Maybe the whole other realm is to have WORKING CONTROLERS?

Ziiiinng! :D

[LongDarkBlues]

I don't have a problem with the slow smooth sounds of R&B or the dance rhythms of Hip Hop. As long as they are not putting down woman and emphasizing the importance of drugs, murders and gangs. I may not like them but at least it's not putting out a negative message. I'm talking about that bass infested garble that the majority of the planet now calls rap. You can't deny that most of this stuff is not of the pleasant nature.

Well sure - the vast majority of popular music is terrible - isn't that a given in any discussion by now?
You bring up a different, but interesting point. When did it happen that good music = socially positive pleasant music? Also, it's naive to act like Rock isn't every bit as debauched as Hip-Hop for the most part - are we pretending that there's isn't a vast quantity of Rock songs about killing, substance abuse, and womanizing? Or any genre, for that matter - it might be a bit less explicit in its language, but the substance is the same.

Just on the Rock Band disc you've got The Who killing people with shotguns, Blue Oyster Cult's suicide pact, Bowie's ode to pre-suffrage women's rights and using them as sex objects, Coheed and Cambria are killing their girlfriend, It'd be hard to find a more debasing towards women song than Deep Purple's Highway Star, which essentially makes the woman a sexy piece of property equivalent to his car, Mountain loves a prostitute, Radiohead's self-mutilation, The Ramones underage sex, etc.

[EricExecution]

The "next realm" should involve a keytar.

Yeah.

Agreed. We need keytars.

[Julio_No_Mas]

What it probably will be:

- an announcement that they got the rights to a very big band
- an announcement for a custom song editor
- an announcement having to do with iTunes
- an announcement that they struck a deal with a very big record company

[Angry_Games]

or maybe they've got the online BWT thing figured out and ready to implement it in a patch?

(we can dream)

[stunner1210]

A whole other realm?

Mortal Kombat theme song downloads ftw.

[Lady Siara]

I highly doubt it would be a custom song editor because the rights involved in that would be ludicrous. People are getting sued for using Limewire and other peer to peer based programs over copyright infringement, so I can only imagine the horror of something like this.

[stunner1210]

From what I read, someone from Harmonix/MTV Games said that the custom song editor would allow bands to put their own songs on, not use an mp3 of a famous band.

You could then cover said band, but who knows.

[Angry_Games]

I highly doubt it would be a custom song editor because the rights involved in that would be ludicrous. People are getting sued for using Limewire and other peer to peer based programs over copyright infringement, so I can only imagine the horror of something like this.

yep, just like Frets on Fire etc for PC...the legal way to do it is to own the song already (legally), and create custom note chart for it, and then share ONLY the chart.

To put the song itself up for download as well as the chart is copyright infringement since the artist gets nothing except his music stolen/traded on the internet.

It would be the same in RB/GH etc. You could create your own note charts, but anyone that wanted to use the note chart would have to have their own legally owned song.

Now granted, this COULD be done say with an affiliation with iTunes for example. You buy the track from iTunes, and create your own custom note charts for it, and put it up on Live for others to download (we do this with NHL 2k8 with our gameplay sliders/settings), who would then have to buy the same song from iTunes so the note charts would match the timing/beat/etc.

But if you just read that, you are thinking, like I am after writing, what a $#@@#%^ hassle all that nonsense is. What if you wanted to play Godzilla by BOC but no one has the note chart YOU made, everyone is using their own or someone else's note chart? So sure you all agree WHICH note chart to use, and then you have to learn it (or wait for someone to learn yours). Again, major hassle that isn't ever going to happen for the foreseeable future.

But it could be done as I said with an affiliation with iTunes or other online music distributor (and of course would have Microsoft as the overlord demanding all sorts of crazy copy protection even though no one can upload anything to Live without MS's approval anyway...)

[hobbesdream]

a metalocalypse game extravaganza!!!!!

[SoKGiX]

Indeed it does.

As for the rap argument, I will say that a lot of rap music played on commercial radio stations is absolute garbage generated by lazy, greedy MFers with no musical talent.

But I will also say that a lot of music played on commercial radio stations is absolute garbage generated by lazy, greedy MFers with no musical talent.

Which is sad, because it speaks to the musical taste of the general public, and it hinders the music that is truly good from getting the exposure it deserves.




pitchfork.com ------- a treasure chest of undiscovered tunes for anyone willing to venture in. they have it all

[Julio_No_Mas]

yep, just like Frets on Fire etc for PC...the legal way to do it is to own the song already (legally), and create custom note chart for it, and then share ONLY the chart.
To put the song itself up for download as well as the chart is copyright infringement since the artist gets nothing except his music stolen/traded on the internet.
It would be the same in RB/GH etc. You could create your own note charts, but anyone that wanted to use the note chart would have to have their own legally owned song.
Now granted, this COULD be done say with an affiliation with iTunes for example. You buy the track from iTunes, and create your own custom note charts for it, and put it up on Live for others to download (we do this with NHL 2k8 with our gameplay sliders/settings), who would then have to buy the same song from iTunes so the note charts would match the timing/beat/etc.
But if you just read that, you are thinking, like I am after writing, what a $#@@#%^ hassle all that nonsense is. What if you wanted to play Godzilla by BOC but no one has the note chart YOU made, everyone is using their own or someone else's note chart? So sure you all agree WHICH note chart to use, and then you have to learn it (or wait for someone to learn yours). Again, major hassle that isn't ever going to happen for the foreseeable future.
But it could be done as I said with an affiliation with iTunes or other online music distributor (and of course would have Microsoft as the overlord demanding all sorts of crazy copy protection even though no one can upload anything to Live without MS's approval anyway...)

An iTunes affiliation would make Rock Band the best video game ever created.

I do not exaggerate.

Every great band has their songs on iTunes, and Led Zeppelin finally let their songs be digitally distributed. But a chart sharing system would be a bit unecessary.

[xenopherus]

a metalocalypse game extravaganza!!!!!

That's what I'm hoping for! Grindcore band, Death Metal Band, Black Metal Band... All the best bands from each metal genre available for DLC! They should also release a patch that rates how evil the singers voice sounds, as well as enable the game to be able to do double bass drums. Too bad that'd never happen, since most people are too wuss to handle awesome stuff like that.

It is probably a more realistic bet that it'll have something to do with country music, since that stuff is so popular over most of the U.S. Ugh.... I hate country music. It'll be a real let-down if it's true. However, I'd much rather play some country songs rather than any rap stuff.

[DethBoxx]

Country music is for stupid people, who wouldn't be able to play Rock Band. LOL!

I think they will do a step editor to input songs manually.

[Hanover]

Van Halen baby! Jump on Expert would be insane. :)


keyboards maybe? :D

[Drossvirex]

Rapping, definitely Rapping.

It could simply be called

Rap.

You could also do other stuff like dance and be a mix master.

I don't know if I'd be into it, but kids would totally eat this stuff up.

[Hanover]

You know, Phase...that game from Harmonix that's on the iPod could be a hint.

It makes a pattern you click to out of any music you give it...and they generally "fit" really well too. So maybe thats just their first step in software that can analyze and make a note chart/pattern for any song you put into it.

Probably have something like this already, considering how quickly they can release new song packs now...and how they're a bit more simpler than the Guitar Hero charts.

[mrloofer]

i skipped through most of the banter. to get back onto the OP topic...this could be a preview of some of the things...like releasing singles first on rock band before hitting radio or mtv.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/nov/23/band-hand-mtv-eyes-evolution/

That's exactly what the announcement is going to be, plus the possibility of a new show on MTV called "Rock Band".

[shay07]

when does that show start