Do we really bash Guitar Hero that much?

[Bobman32x]

I was on the GH forums asking for peripheral help (my aunt got my Cousin the dual guitar GHWT pack with one WT Guitar and one kramer guitar and the kramer receiver isnt working) and while I was there I read a thread wondering why Rock Band Players bash GH players so much. i never thought of it and I thought it was just that website's biased but then i did something. I actually looked through 6 pages in the WT section and general section and i only saw FOUR RB bashing threads. and 2 of em were instrument related.

I mean i hate to admit it but i think they may be right. Why do we bash GH users so much? granted this is GH's forum, not that douchebag community known as scorehero where they dont even acknowledge you if you cant FC Cliffs of Dover or something, and even ban you for asking questions. But generally, are RB users too hard on GH users?

[afterstasis]

anyone bashing on actual players simply because of the product they prefer are obviously insecure dingleberries.

the GH hate has long ago gotten old... it's one thing to weigh in on your opinion here and there, and another to take it too far and become obnoxious...

[PandaBear]

They bash it because they think RB is better therefor GH sucks. People work that way, even though it's not exactly the most civil thing to do.

Just like you can't go to a Behind Blue Eyes video on youtube without people having a war over Limp Bizkit/The Who. You just can't.

[voodoo618]

The forums over there have gotten real slow. Barely any threads are active.

On topic, yes, there has been way too many GH-hate threads floating around here.

[Bobman32x]

nvm

[voodoo618]

Wow, at least most of the gh-hate threads here actually make sense...

From the GH forums:

"I saw a thread get locked because they spelled a word wrong."
- obviously making things up.

"yeah, harmonix has lost it. they were cool and cared about their fans back in the GH days. now they disgust me"
- completely opposite.

[Andyy]

Funnily enough, last night at work, I asked someone what they'd gotten for Christmas, they replied GH:WT, asked me, I said RB2, they then immediately started laughing at me, saying it was terrible and started getting everyone at work to get GH:WT! What made the situation better was that the four or so people with consoles simply told him that they'd much sooner buy RB2 since the setlist and gameplay is far superior.

I just dislike GH:WT fans who are like hardcore vegans, trying to make everyone agree with them and follow their example, everyones got different opinions and preferences, so I just let it go.

On the other hand most of the people I know who got GH:WT said it sucked so.

[sa_nick]

I only bash GH users if they're chumps, and it's the fact their chumps that make me do it, not just because they like GH. I also tend to sarcastically correct ppl who have the whole "Rock Band just copied Guitar Hero!" thing going on.

I do hate Activision and Neversoft though, a few of the things they've said just make them huge jerks.

[HiroLord]

I only bash GH users if they're chumps, and it's the fact their chumps that make me do it, not just because they like GH. I also tend to sarcastically correct ppl who have the whole "Rock Band just copied Guitar Hero!" thing going on.

I do hate Activision and Neversoft though, a few of the things they've said just make them huge jerks.

Yeah, I ALWAYS have to correct people who state that Rock Band copied Guitar Hero. Basically, as of GH:WT, it's the other way around.

[Ferocious Q]

Well, gh is inferior to rb

[Andyy]

I do hate Activision and Neversoft though, a few of the things they've said just make them huge jerks.

Including the Activision CEO saying bands should be paying to be in their game.

[Dalamari]

I don't think there's much GH bashing around here simply because it's so obvious that GH is the inferior game

[HiroLord]

We don't bash Guitar Hero PEOPLE that much...

But the game? Yeah. We do.

[Metric-Inchworm]

We don't bash Guitar Hero PEOPLE that much..


I think on a few occasions we've called them idiots for owning the games.

[Ozzie234]

Yeah, I ALWAYS have to correct people who state that Rock Band copied Guitar Hero. Basically, as of GH:WT, it's the other way around.

But Rock Band is a copy of Guitar Hero. Harmonix sold the code and rights to Activision and then went on to copy the game with Rock Band....

No two ways about it. :D

[zephyr611]

Wow, at least most of the gh-hate threads here actually make sense...

From the GH forums:

"I saw a thread get locked because they spelled a word wrong."
- obviously making things up.

"yeah, harmonix has lost it. they were cool and cared about their fans back in the GH days. now they disgust me"
- completely opposite.

Actually that's pretty legit if you're not living in the USA.

[nyrang]

But Rock Band is a copy of Guitar Hero. Harmonix sold the code and rights to Activision and then went on to copy the game with Rock Band....

No two ways about it. :D

No. I guess the code rights did go to Activision, but Neversoft had to start again from scratch when they first coded GH3. They designed the graphics, the timing window and so on in order to replicate GH2 at their best, but it's actually a different code designed by different people, so we may actually say that GH3 is a copy of GH2.
RB was a copy of GH2 as well, at least for the guitar part, although HMX had to figure out a different layout style. It's not just a copy however, because of, you know, the new instruments. GHWT copied that. But then again, both Neversoft and HMX copied Konami, who had been releasing Guitar Freaks, Drummania and Karaoke Revolution games for more than five years when the first GH came out. Except that Karaoke Revolution was coded by HMX themselves, who replicated exactly the same interface for the vocal part of RB. The vocal interface in GHWT, by the way, resembles Singstar's one.
So, the bottom line would be that all this fuss about who copied who is pure nonsense. Unless one wants to aknowledge Konami that they're the ones who started it all, that is, which would be pointless anyway because Konami's own Rock Revolution is the worst title of the bunch nowadays.

[andrewyamo]

Including the Activision CEO saying bands should be paying to be in their game.

Dude, that's actually pretty smart.

Aerosmith made more money off GH:Aerosmith then any album they've ever released.

[rogue23]

Dude, that's actually pretty smart.

Aerosmith made more money off GH:Aerosmith then any album they've ever released.

Not sure I believe this, given the number of albums Aerosmith has released, and the fact that this statement is based off of a comment by Activision's CEO, whom we all know to be completely correct in all things.

[TheGreatKtulu]

Including the Activision CEO saying bands should be paying to be in their game.

Arrogant that may be, the guy has a point. How many relatively obscure bands have gotten a lot more popular due to being included in these types of games. Would anyone give a rat's ass about Bang Camaro if they hadn't been in GH2? I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that maybe UnknownBand282 should pay (a small amount) to be included next to bands like Metallica and The Who.

[master2uall]

i got world tour for 7 bucks played for about two hours last night, wish i could get a refund.

[FlameSama1]

Arrogant that may be, the guy has a point. How many relatively obscure bands have gotten a lot more popular due to being included in these types of games. Would anyone give a rat's ass about Bang Camaro if they hadn't been in GH2? I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that maybe UnknownBand282 should pay (a small amount) to be included next to bands like Metallica and The Who.

How popular is Bang Camaro?

The only real popularity surge I can think of is Dragonforce, and that's GHIII.

GH fans are usually more arrogant than us. GH:WT is horrible compared to RB...etc...

[justins8020]

I got GHWT for christmas, and I love it, if anybody who also owns it tell me why it's horrible because i've never figured that one out.
I am a gh fan pure and simple, I joined the RB community to ask questions about RB2 on the wii.
Im probably going to pick up rb2 wii withing a few weeks.

[Prag16]

Wow. This thread is a mockery. You are all (okay maybe not QUITE all) such ridiculous fanboys it sickens me. And spare me the "1st post lolz" B.S. I'm a long time occasional reader and never really had much of a need to post anything. Seeing this thread compelled me however.

I own both Rock Band 2 and Guitar Hero: World Tour. They are both fantastic games. The Guitar Hero WT guitar is better than the RB2 Strat. The drums are debatable, but I tend to prefer the Guitar Hero drums.

I really need someone to explain to me how it is possible (without being a biased fanboy, which I believe most of you to be) to be 100% in love with Rock Band 2, but have such hatred for Guitar Hero World Tour (95% the same game). If you are 100% in love with RB2, you should be 95% in love with Guitar Hero WT.

Comments such as "RB2 is the shiznit hizzle dawg, but I played GHWT for 15 minutes and it was so traumatic that I puked monkey chunks all over and had to destroy the disc lolz" are what I'm talking about.

Someone please explain this to me. Without listing off features and crap, because after putting many hours into both games, I already know what the plusses and minuses may be. And I think they are both fantastic games, neither with a clear edge.

[cutmaclass]

I don't think I've ever seen people bash PLAYERS of the GH series. The only people who are bashed are uninformed about the differences or think that GH is better than Rock Band or that Rock Band copied GH or some rubbish when Rock Band (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/949926.asp?q=Rock%20Band%202) is obviously superior to Guitar Hero (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/944201.asp?q=Guitar%20Hero).

Also, Neversoft and Activision deserve any number of solid bashings as well.

[Ospero]

Okay, risking to expose myself as a ridiculous buy-everything type: I own both games, and I like to play both. RB2 is better than GHWT, but perhaps that's because my first rhythm game was RB1 and I am therefore used to the interface, timing etc. GH in general is too cartoony for my tastes (though I like the insanely detailed character creator - I replicated Lurch from Addams Family as one of my characters, including the top hat).

On topic: Sheesh. What's the point of hating on people because they prefer a product you dislike over one you love? No accounting for taste and all that. Vent your gall on the product, but not on the consumer - that's just bad form. Then again, this is the Internet, obviously a patron deity of bad form in some ways...and some people like "praying" to that deity all the time (yeesh, what a convoluted mess of a metaphor that is...)

And it is undeniable that Harmonix have managed to shoot themselves in the foot pretty well, at least outside the US. Australia comes to mind, and in a slightly lesser way it also applies to Europe. And besides, does Activision have that much more of a marketing budget? It's extremely hard to get RB2 over here in Europe, and the instruments weren't even out before Christmas, while GHWT is EVERYWHERE. Seriously, I believe they run the risk of going the Betamax/HD-DVD route soon if they don't step it up a bit...

[Rastabot]

OP has a huge misconception about ScoreHero. First off, they love when new people come to their site, they love it even more when the new people start adding scores no matter the percent or difficulty. They are a great community, they have done so much for RB/GH. They have countless Overdrive and Starpower FAQa, they have technique FAQS, they have tons of FAQS on modding various instruments.
I admit they do lock a lot of threads, but they dont want their site turning into a GameFaqs messege board. OP had to do something really stupid or multiple stupid things to get banned.

[CCDaDon]

^ORLY? Then why did one of my friends get banned for posting a score that didn't even break the top 40's because he didn't have a pic with it?
Dude, that's actually pretty smart.

Aerosmith made more money off GH:Aerosmith then any album they've ever released.

No Its their last 5 albums not any album they've released.


Bang Camaro's popular enough to get big crowds a LaLaPalooza :p

[Prag16]

The only people who are bashed are uninformed about the differences or think that GH is better than Rock Band or that Rock Band copied GH or some rubbish when Rock Band (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/949926.asp?q=Rock%20Band%202) is obviously superior to Guitar Hero (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/944201.asp?q=Guitar%20Hero).


THIS is the kind of bull I'm talking about. You bunch of pompous smug sons of *****es.

[TheGreatKtulu]

How popular is Bang Camaro?

The only real popularity surge I can think of is Dragonforce, and that's GHIII.

GH fans are usually more arrogant than us. GH:WT is horrible compared to RB...etc...

I didn't want to count Dragonforce because A) I'd heard of them long before I ever started playing guitar games and B) they got into GH3 because of their popularity with the GH2 Custom chart makers.

[obbrich]

Arrogant that may be, the guy has a point. How many relatively obscure bands have gotten a lot more popular due to being included in these types of games. Would anyone give a rat's ass about Bang Camaro if they hadn't been in GH2? I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that maybe UnknownBand282 should pay (a small amount) to be included next to bands like Metallica and The Who.

They tried that in radio in the 50's, and then again up to about 5 years ago. It went by the name Payola. It's one of the (many) factors contributing to the general "suck" of commercial radio.

If a song is good, it's good, and the artist shouldn't have to pay to get it played. If HMX or Activision went to a pay to play model, then the threshold just jumped from quality product, to the group with the most cash.

I, for one, would prefer HMX to pursue groups because they have good tunes, rather than groups pursuing HMX because they want in, and they have a few dollars to spend to make it happen.

[CCDaDon]

THIS is the kind of bull I'm talking about. You bunch of pompous smug sons of *****es.

Well, to be honest, you're coming off as a smug SOB yourself.

Want my answer? I'm one of the music game players that doesn't care about charts or stuff, I care about the experience, and most the experience for me comes from behind the chart board and looking at the characters. In Rock Band you see pretty good graphics, characters looking like their having fun, interacting with each other, and playing whats going on in the music(Like the drummer hitting the right tom/snare on a drum roll). In GH I see poor graphics, lifeless animations, characters barely interacting, and in alot of times the drummer not even playing whats going on(Watch a Hendrix DLC Video).

Thats mostly the reason why I don't like Guitar Hero World Tour. Yeah sure it may seem stupid to others but it means alot to me.

[obbrich]

I got GHWT for christmas, and I love it, if anybody who also owns it tell me why it's horrible because i've never figured that one out.
I am a gh fan pure and simple, I joined the RB community to ask questions about RB2 on the wii.
Im probably going to pick up rb2 wii withing a few weeks.

Come back and tell us how much you love it, AFTER you pick up RB2 and play it for a month.

I had GH3 and I played the hell out of it. Then my friend introduced me to RB. I played that, then went back to GH3 and couldn't believe the amount of suck coming from my TV screen. :eek:

As the smart guy above me mentioned, it has a lot less to do with the game play, as it does about the details. Things like character interaction, stage lighting, realistic movement, etc. As mentioned, 95% of the game is the same, so the differentiation has to come from the other 5%. That just so happens to be the details. The GH series is just plain painful. Hell, the "storyline" didn't even change when HMX gave it up. If you look at it objectively, and you know the story about how the game was developed and how it ended up in the hands of Activision, then you start to wonder if they (Activision/Neversoft) have a real vision as to where they want to take it, or if they just want to mass produce the product as cheaply as possible, and repeat as necessary in order to extract your money from your wallet.

It's the details.... For me, its all in the details between the two..

[Prag16]

Well, to be honest, you're coming off as a smug SOB yourself.

Want my answer? I'm one of the music game players that doesn't care about charts or stuff, I care about the experience, and most the experience for me comes from behind the chart board and looking at the characters. In Rock Band you see pretty good graphics, characters looking like their having fun, interacting with each other, and playing whats going on in the music(Like the drummer hitting the right tom/snare on a drum roll). In GH I see poor graphics, lifeless animations, characters barely interacting, and in alot of times the drummer not even playing whats going on(Watch a Hendrix DLC Video).

Thats mostly the reason why I don't like Guitar Hero World Tour. Yeah sure it may seem stupid to others but it means alot to me.


At least you have a reasonable explanation that doesn't solely consist of Rock Band's superiority being self-evident. But one point as far as realism: Did you ever pay attention to the drummer animations overall? GHWT it looks like they're actually rocking out. The RB drummer looks like a lifeless robot. Other than the drummers, RB animations, etc gets the edge.

[CCDaDon]

At least you have a reasonable explanation that doesn't solely consist of Rock Band's superiority being self-evident. But one point as far as realism: Did you ever pay attention to the drummer animations overall? GHWT it looks like they're actually rocking out. The RB drummer looks like a lifeless robot. Other than the drummers, RB animations, etc gets the edge.

Well in RB1 the drummers looked like they were having TOO much fun(Like Cocain fun) and in RB2 they do seem alot calmer, but that doesn't really bother me because I've seen a bunch of drummers able to technical, OMGWTFBBQ, stuff without bouncing around like they're in the middle of a earthquake.

And yeah in GH:WT the drummers bodies look like their having fun but their faces have no expressions on it which takes away from the illusion that their "having fun".

[Rastabot]

^ORLY? Then why did one of my friends get banned for posting a score that didn't even break the top 40's because he didn't have a pic with it?


If it was for RB guitar or GH1, GH2, or GH3, then the leaderboards are very competitive, a top 40 score would have to be a FC, with optimal path, you would probably need some squeezes too; people want proof when it gets that competitive, isn’t that understandable?
I'm sure the mods gave him a chance to delete his score, or provide a picture, he did none, so after warning, he got banned. Like I said early, they want to be legit, not just be some unofficial fan site.

[Burntoutat22]

Come back and tell us how much you love it, AFTER you pick up RB2 and play it for a month.

I had GH3 and I played the hell out of it. Then my friend introduced me to RB. I played that, then went back to GH3 and couldn't believe the amount of suck coming from my TV screen. :eek:

As the smart guy above me mentioned, it has a lot less to do with the game play, as it does about the details. Things like character interaction, stage lighting, realistic movement, etc. As mentioned, 95% of the game is the same, so the differentiation has to come from the other 5%. That just so happens to be the details. The GH series is just plain painful. Hell, the "storyline" didn't even change when HMX gave it up. If you look at it objectively, and you know the story about how the game was developed and how it ended up in the hands of Activision, then you start to wonder if they (Activision/Neversoft) have a real vision as to where they want to take it, or if they just want to mass produce the product as cheaply as possible, and repeat as necessary in order to extract your money from your wallet.

It's the details.... For me, its all in the details between the two..

I agree with this post. Also, to add, Rock Band looks as though it is made to appeal to older people (17-however old) and GH looks like a kids game compared to RB. I mean the GH:WT menus and loading screens look as if my 5 year old brother drew them up. They don't look cool, they look childish. That is why i don't prefer GH, it's too childish for my tastes. The graphics and details in RB support my opinion. Also, it does seem as though activision is trying to milk th GH franchise, i mean, they're almost ready to release a THIRD GH title on DS. THIRD in a YEAR!! Come on now, that's f'n ridiculous. Also, GH:Metallica is coming soon as well. Good God, what's next? Oh yeah, that's right, DJ Hero or whatever it'll be called. They think they can slap anything together and sell it. What's next? Pop Hero? Rap Hero? Geez

[skyttskytt]

I own both Rock Band 2 and Guitar Hero: World Tour. They are both fantastic games. The Guitar Hero WT guitar is better than the RB2 Strat. The drums are debatable, but I tend to prefer the Guitar Hero drums.

I really need someone to explain to me how it is possible (without being a biased fanboy, which I believe most of you to be) to be 100% in love with Rock Band 2, but have such hatred for Guitar Hero World Tour (95% the same game). If you are 100% in love with RB2, you should be 95% in love with Guitar Hero WT.

The guitars are also debatable. I prefer the Strat and consider it superior to any of the GH guitars. It's all subjective in the feel. Plus, I have small hands so the GH guitars' fairly thick neck, coupled with their raised buttons that don't come to the edge of the neck, are literally physically painful for someone like me to play with.

As for the games themselves, I don't own GHWT, but I have a friend that does and have played at his house when I go over there. He was happy about it, I was glad to try it because I planned on buying it when it first came out. Now, not so much. It just wasn't a good party experience in my opinion. The game felt a lot more like a collective of individual players that are all tied into a band, not a band playing together. Star power is shared (WHY!?) and you can't resurrect a failed bandmate, it just fails the song. That right there makes me hate the game. It's not party-environment conducive, nor is it helpful for beginners. At least in Rock Band there's a chance to save someone who's getting the hang of the game. In GHWT they fail the entire team and feel like shying away from playing to keep from consistently failing out of the game. At least that's what happened when I was playing. The new people eventually handed off the instruments to the "veterans" so they wouldn't routinely "ruin our fun" by failing at a particularly hard part of a song. That's why I don't like GHWT. It's GH for 4 individual people to play at once who are considered a band, not a game where a band plays together.

[CCDaDon]

I agree with this post. Also, to add, Rock Band looks as though it is made to appeal to older people (17-however old) and GH looks like a kids game compared to RB. I mean the GH:WT menus and loading screens look as if my 5 year old brother drew them up. They don't look cool, they look childish. That is why i don't prefer GH, it's too childish for my tastes. The graphics and details in RB support my opinion. Also, it does seem as though activision is trying to milk th GH franchise, i mean, they're almost ready to release a THIRD GH title on DS. THIRD in a YEAR!! Come on now, that's f'n ridiculous. Also, GH:Metallica is coming soon as well. Good God, what's next? Oh yeah, that's right, DJ Hero or whatever it'll be called. They think they can slap anything together and sell it. What's next? Pop Hero? Rap Hero? Geez

HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY

I'd actually buy a Instrument based Hip Hop game.

[rogue23]

Wow. This thread is a mockery. You are all (okay maybe not QUITE all) such ridiculous fanboys it sickens me. And spare me the "1st post lolz" B.S. I'm a long time occasional reader and never really had much of a need to post anything. Seeing this thread compelled me however.

I own both Rock Band 2 and Guitar Hero: World Tour. They are both fantastic games. The Guitar Hero WT guitar is better than the RB2 Strat. The drums are debatable, but I tend to prefer the Guitar Hero drums.

I really need someone to explain to me how it is possible (without being a biased fanboy, which I believe most of you to be) to be 100% in love with Rock Band 2, but have such hatred for Guitar Hero World Tour (95% the same game). If you are 100% in love with RB2, you should be 95% in love with Guitar Hero WT.

Comments such as "RB2 is the shiznit hizzle dawg, but I played GHWT for 15 minutes and it was so traumatic that I puked monkey chunks all over and had to destroy the disc lolz" are what I'm talking about.

Someone please explain this to me. Without listing off features and crap, because after putting many hours into both games, I already know what the plusses and minuses may be. And I think they are both fantastic games, neither with a clear edge.

You mean to tell me that this is an example of how NOT to be a fanboy? Though you may have some valid points in this post, they're buried in a poor example of a post.

How can someone explain to you why the love or hate one or the other WITHOUT listing features? I happen to have both games, and while I MUCH prefer RB2, I enjoy some of the music from GH:WT, and I enjoy playing it periodically. Overall though, I feel that the RB2 engine and UI are much more refined, and more sophisticated than what you'll find in GH:WT. Playing various instruments in real life, I feel that the HMX folks have done a much better job of creating an illusion that makes you feel like you're playing with the music, rather than just playing a video game that's in time with that music.

[MSwPSU]

The guitars are also debatable. I prefer the Strat and consider it superior to any of the GH guitars. It's all subjective in the feel. Plus, I have small hands so the GH guitars' fairly thick neck, coupled with their raised buttons that don't come to the edge of the neck, are literally physically painful for someone like me to play with.

As for the games themselves, I don't own GHWT, but I have a friend that does and have played at his house when I go over there. He was happy about it, I was glad to try it because I planned on buying it when it first came out. Now, not so much. It just wasn't a good party experience in my opinion. The game felt a lot more like a collective of individual players that are all tied into a band, not a band playing together. Star power is shared (WHY!?) and you can't resurrect a failed bandmate, it just fails the song. That right there makes me hate the game. It's not party-environment conducive, nor is it helpful for beginners. At least in Rock Band there's a chance to save someone who's getting the hang of the game. In GHWT they fail the entire team and feel like shying away from playing to keep from consistently failing out of the game. At least that's what happened when I was playing. The new people eventually handed off the instruments to the "veterans" so they wouldn't routinely "ruin our fun" by failing at a particularly hard part of a song. That's why I don't like GHWT. It's GH for 4 individual people to play at once who are considered a band, not a game where a band plays together.

This is a pretty good summation of how I and many of my friends feel about it.

Some of my friends don't mind the GHWT graphics. To me they are too cartoony and I just don't like the art style of the game. That is just my opinion though.

We were playing GHWT the other day because one of my friends wanted to unlock some of the songs. Even he prefers RB over GHWT but he has both games because he likes some of the GHWT songs. I have no issue with this.

Where the issue is, is in the game play itself. 3 people playing in a band setting, failing out numerous times on the same song and no one had any real idea who was failing out and there was no way to save anyone once they failed out the whole band just fails. RB presentation just does a much better job of giving the people playing feedback as to how they are doing.

Also, I just feel more connected to my band in RB than GHWT. In RB I travel to venues, earn money etc etc I feel a sense of progression. In GHWT all we did as a band was goto a board and pick a gig and then play the gig (after paying money to play it).

It's all a matter of opinion and personal preference, I think some people just take it too seriously.

[nicko68]

Wow. This thread is a mockery. You are all (okay maybe not QUITE all) such ridiculous fanboys it sickens me. And spare me the "1st post lolz" B.S. I'm a long time occasional reader and never really had much of a need to post anything. Seeing this thread compelled me however.

I own both Rock Band 2 and Guitar Hero: World Tour. They are both fantastic games. The Guitar Hero WT guitar is better than the RB2 Strat. The drums are debatable, but I tend to prefer the Guitar Hero drums.

I really need someone to explain to me how it is possible (without being a biased fanboy, which I believe most of you to be) to be 100% in love with Rock Band 2, but have such hatred for Guitar Hero World Tour (95% the same game). If you are 100% in love with RB2, you should be 95% in love with Guitar Hero WT.

Comments such as "RB2 is the shiznit hizzle dawg, but I played GHWT for 15 minutes and it was so traumatic that I puked monkey chunks all over and had to destroy the disc lolz" are what I'm talking about.

Someone please explain this to me. Without listing off features and crap, because after putting many hours into both games, I already know what the plusses and minuses may be. And I think they are both fantastic games, neither with a clear edge.

^
YES!

I totally agree with this. Let's see, people complain about:

- the charting (GHWT charts are much more reasonable and seem pretty accurate to me.. there is no wall like the final tier of GH3).

- the graphic style (it's very similar to the graphic style of the earlier GH games which people had no issue with at the time)

- the circles (again, it wasn't an issue with GH1, 2, etc)

- the fact it's a "copy" of RB (like there is only one hockey game, football game, racing game, etc?)

- they hate Activision (as if EA is a saintly company)

[Ragin_Caucasion]

THIS is the kind of bull I'm talking about. You bunch of pompous smug sons of *****es.

I love how you lump everyone together. And plus, that post wasn't that bad. He was using the common defense of review scores, which can actually help an argument. Reviews are not the end-all judgment of quality, but they can help. Would you be this mad if a GH fan used review scores to help his argument?

Honestly, you're overreacting to everything. Each side for anything in life has it's extremist *******s (see: video games, religion, politics, any media, music, hell, I've even seen extremists about WEBCOMICS). Yelling, name-calling, and ad hominem attacks in general aren't going to change anything.

OPINIONS. SERIOUS BUSINESS.

[nicko68]

...most the experience for me comes from behind the chart board and looking at the characters. In Rock Band you see pretty good graphics, characters looking like their having fun, interacting with each other, and playing whats going on in the music(Like the drummer hitting the right tom/snare on a drum roll). In GH I see poor graphics, lifeless animations, characters barely interacting, and in alot of times the drummer not even playing whats going on(Watch a Hendrix DLC Video).

Wow, you are a better player than I am. I have to watch the fret board to see what's going on, and don't really pay that much attention to the background.

[obbrich]

I feel that the RB2 engine and UI are much more refined, and more sophisticated than what you'll find in GH:WT. Playing various instruments in real life, I feel that the HMX folks have done a much better job of creating an illusion that makes you feel like you're playing with the music, rather than just playing a video game that's in time with that music.

That's a great way of stating it. :)

I rented GH-WT and I'm glad it was a rental. I wanted to try it before I plopped 60 bucks into Activision's hands. (To be fair, I played a lot of RB 1 at a friends house before I purchased that too)

One of the stark differences I've noticed, is that even in the most difficult parts of the hardest songs in RB, I find myself saying "that makes sense" to the way they charted it. In GH3, GH-A, and GH-WT, I found myself muttering WTF most of the time. It really feels like they charted it hard just for the sake of charting it hard. I can almost picture a bunch of 12 year old game testers sitting around Activision *****ing that it's too easy, throw some more notes in there.

As too the endless comments about instruments... While I prefer the Strat, I have done more than my fair share of playing with the LP too. As one person stated, the thick neck hurt my hand. Well, I thought it was the thick neck. When I used the LP to play RB, for some reason it didn't kill my hand. Yet when I used the Strat to play GH-* I could only play a couple of songs before my hand started to ache like a 80 year old with advanced arthritis. So was it the guitar, or the game? I don't know. I've since purged both the LP controllers, and my copies of GH-*.

Thankfully they didn't produce much good DLC or it would have been more painful to rid myself of the whole franchise. :rolleyes:

[jeccaneko]

I don't bash GH users. If they have fun with it, they have fun with it.

I just bash GH in general. GH3 disappointed me. With GHWT I wanted to give Neversoft another chance. It also disappointed me. I do not have much fun with these games despite songs I love in both of them.



- the graphic style (it's very similar to the graphic style of the earlier GH games which people had no issue with at the time)


I have to respectfully disagree with you there nicko68. GH3's graphics are closer to GH1/2 than GHWT's graphics are. To me it's like they tried to make more realistic looking graphics with GHWT and somehow in the process made them look even more cartoony.

I didn't like how some characters, such as Judy Nails, looked in GH3, but overall the art style wasn't bad. I don't like how any characters, except maybe the celebrity characters, look in GHWT. The GH characters don't look good and no matter how much you try, custom characters don't look good.

[mercuryshadow09]

anyone bashing on actual players simply because of the product they prefer are obviously insecure dingleberries.

the GH hate has long ago gotten old... it's one thing to weigh in on your opinion here and there, and another to take it too far and become obnoxious...

Yes, very old and tiresome, why I dont post much anymore.

[mercuryshadow09]

Wow. This thread is a mockery. You are all (okay maybe not QUITE all) such ridiculous fanboys it sickens me. And spare me the "1st post lolz" B.S. I'm a long time occasional reader and never really had much of a need to post anything. Seeing this thread compelled me however.

I own both Rock Band 2 and Guitar Hero: World Tour. They are both fantastic games. The Guitar Hero WT guitar is better than the RB2 Strat. The drums are debatable, but I tend to prefer the Guitar Hero drums.

I really need someone to explain to me how it is possible (without being a biased fanboy, which I believe most of you to be) to be 100% in love with Rock Band 2, but have such hatred for Guitar Hero World Tour (95% the same game). If you are 100% in love with RB2, you should be 95% in love with Guitar Hero WT.

Comments such as "RB2 is the shiznit hizzle dawg, but I played GHWT for 15 minutes and it was so traumatic that I puked monkey chunks all over and had to destroy the disc lolz" are what I'm talking about.

Someone please explain this to me. Without listing off features and crap, because after putting many hours into both games, I already know what the plusses and minuses may be. And I think they are both fantastic games, neither with a clear edge.

I own both, and love both equally, lately I've been playing WT more because of the Eagles pack.

[White_Pointer]

You are very much right. I came here in a completely unbiased context, having enjoyed both Rock Band AND Guitar Hero. Ive hung around hoping to get some information on RB2's release...first on Wii, then the Australian release in general. I've been pretty appalled by the amount of un-warranted GH-bashing here to be brutally honest. Unless people are talking about the Les Pauls it's generally all negative. About the only part about GH I haven't seen people complain about on here is the microphone.


I actually looked through 6 pages in the WT section and general section and i only saw FOUR RB bashing threads. and 2 of em were instrument related.

And that's not including other threads that don't specifically start as GH-bashing threads but inevitably degenerate into them.


Not sure I believe this, given the number of albums Aerosmith has released, and the fact that this statement is based off of a comment by Activision's CEO, whom we all know to be completely correct in all things.

What hasn't he been correct on? Show me one statement he's made that hasn't actually been true. This is a pretty good example of the unwarranted GH-bashing that happens on these boards. I'd take Activision's word over EA/Harmonix's anyday - I could find several examples very quickly showing how trustworthy THEIR information is.


Also, to add, Rock Band looks as though it is made to appeal to older people (17-however old) and GH looks like a kids game compared to RB.

From my experience though, it actually seems to be completely the opposite. RB seems to cater to the more casual crowd whereas GHWT looks to aim at the more hardcore players.

........

You know what's ironic though? There are also plenty of people on THESE boards bashing Rock Band - usually to do with faulty peripherals or how bad Europeans and Australians have been treated - but I've seen people bashing the software itself, too. Make up your minds people :P

I need to echo what others have said in this thread though that all of the GH bashing has got to stop. It's getting really old.

White_Pointer

[mercuryshadow09]

You are very much right. I came here in a completely unbiased context, having enjoyed both Rock Band AND Guitar Hero. Ive hung around hoping to get some information on RB2's release...first on Wii, then the Australian release in general. I've been pretty appalled by the amount of un-warranted GH-bashing here to be brutally honest. Unless people are talking about the Les Pauls it's generally all negative. About the only part about GH I haven't seen people complain about on here is the microphone.



And that's not including other threads that don't specifically start as GH-bashing threads but inevitably degenerate into them.



What hasn't he been correct on? Show me one statement he's made that hasn't actually been true. This is a pretty good example of the unwarranted GH-bashing that happens on these boards. I'd take Activision's word over EA/Harmonix's anyday - I could find several examples very quickly showing how trustworthy THEIR information is.



From my experience though, it actually seems to be completely the opposite. RB seems to cater to the more casual crowd whereas GHWT looks to aim at the more hardcore players.

........

You know what's ironic though? There are also plenty of people on THESE boards bashing Rock Band - usually to do with faulty peripherals or how bad Europeans and Australians have been treated - but I've seen people bashing the software itself, too. Make up your minds people :P

I need to echo what others have said in this thread though that all of the GH bashing has got to stop. It's getting really old.

White_Pointer

Hey, how are you? You'd think in this day and age where my PS3 and 360 sleep right next to each, and dont fight mind you, and my RB2 drum kit loves playing GHWT, I mean we're all human right? We all come from the same place, why cant we have both games and love both?

[bierfaht]

i like rb better because:
charts have a better "feel". GHIII had way too many times where what i was playing didn't match up with the song at all, even playing feedback as notes, wtf! rb charts seemed to represent the song better, difficulty be damned.

the timing windows. nothing beat playing knights of cydonia and being all over the place with hopos and still getting it right. rb's windows are much tighter, which dont help your self-esteem, but are more accurate.

song selection. every time that HMX throws out the pixies or siouxie and the banshees or the color and the shape, i am reminded that they really love music, and are not just a bunch of computer programmers who also play music.

weekly dlc. love it or hate it, there is always plenty more the next week, and one of the things i look forward to every friday is finding out what's next! and the people who work with the game are accessable in the forums!

little things in the animations. closeups of guitar players actually playing, actually makes you feel like you are playing the song.

"Also, to add, Rock Band looks as though it is made to appeal to older people (17-however old) and GH looks like a kids game compared to RB."
From my experience though, it actually seems to be completely the opposite. RB seems to cater to the more casual crowd whereas GHWT looks to aim at the more hardcore players.

the hardcore players are the 12 year olds alone who are just dying for more dragonforce. the casual older player can have fun, invite friends, make it a party.

[mercuryshadow09]

i like rb better because:
charts have a better "feel". GHIII had way too many times where what i was playing didn't match up with the song at all, even playing feedback as notes, wtf! rb charts seemed to represent the song better, difficulty be damned.

the timing windows. nothing beat playing knights of cydonia and being all over the place with hopos and still getting it right. rb's windows are much tighter, which dont help your self-esteem, but are more accurate.

song selection. every time that HMX throws out the pixies or siouxie and the banshees or the color and the shape, i am reminded that they really love music, and are not just a bunch of computer programmers who also play music.

weekly dlc. love it or hate it, there is always plenty more the next week, and one of the things i look forward to every friday is finding out what's next! and the people who work with the game are accessable in the forums!

little things in the animations. closeups of guitar players actually playing, actually makes you feel like you are playing the song.

"Also, to add, Rock Band looks as though it is made to appeal to older people (17-however old) and GH looks like a kids game compared to RB."
From my experience though, it actually seems to be completely the opposite. RB seems to cater to the more casual crowd whereas GHWT looks to aim at the more hardcore players.

the hardcore players are the 12 year olds alone who are just dying for more dragonforce. the casual older player can have fun, invite friends, make it a party.

Yo....you know we're not talking about GHIII, right? 12? I'm 37.

[Zenweaponry]

As far as my experiences have gone I have to choose RB over GH:WT at this point. When RB first came out I didn't pay any attention to it at all, but once my friend got it and got me playing it I ended up amassing 200$ in a week to buy it. Ever since RB 2 came out I was getting hyped up for GH:WT's release and when it finally came out I was dying to play the new songs on the new drum kit and mess around in the song creator. Unfortunately I didn't realize that the song editor required a whole hour of tutorials to understand and the drum kit I recieved was one of the many faulty ones. I created a band and began playing through the band tour and for the first maybe 7 tiers (gigs really) I was bored to tears on pretty much everything. I tried to have fun desperately, but nothing seemed to work. I just couldn't get into the game because of the interface and band layout. My issues with those have already been mentioned with the shared Star Power and individual feel, but I figured I might as well get my rambling two cence in here. I just don't like GH:WT as it feels like the kid version of RB (mainstream too, but at the same time they have random bands no one knows of in there too) and I do prefer RB greatly (even RB1) but I don't hate GH:WT or those who play it. I don't ever try to be a fanboy, but I will become what I hate in order to make my arguments with other fanboys actually heard. I don't know where I'm going with this now, so I'll end it here.

[nashphx13z]

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I refuse to read them.

[Bobman32x]

i got world tour for 7 bucks played for about two hours last night, wish i could get a refund.

Ill buy it from you right now for 20 bucks if you dont want it.

[Kariodude]

I never bash Guitar Hero players. Partially because I still rent new games just for the plastic guitar flailing madness that is actually fun for the first few hours. Personally, I don't like what the series has become since Neversoft has taken hold of it. I don't like the way their developers and PR (lolwut) people bash Rock Band. I don't like that the entire series is being exploited because they know it will sell well even if it has 60 Mars Volta songs. Abusing the franchise like they are is in turn abusing their relationship with the consumer (i.e. You and I).

At the end of the day, I would hang out with the people from Harmonix. I would buy them a beer, invite them to a party, go fishing with Alex Rigopolous. If I saw the people from Neversoft, I would pass them on the opposite side of the street and pretty much pretend I don't see them.

[Ragin_Caucasion]

What hasn't he been correct on? Show me one statement he's made that hasn't actually been true. This is a pretty good example of the unwarranted GH-bashing that happens on these boards. I'd take Activision's word over EA/Harmonix's anyday - I could find several examples very quickly showing how trustworthy THEIR information is

The whole "they can use the RB instruments, and when they break they can buy ours" statement (paraphrased of course), and then on GH:WT's launch day turns out that the drums had lots of issues. Also the whole fact that he's a CEO means he'll spin lots of things around, like sales numbers (which is understandable, every company does that). He's also just been a general jerk in interviews and just comes across as an untrustworthy guy.

Also, I'm kind of offended that you're treating the forum as a single entity. Not everyone goes around "lol guitar hero more like fail hero AMIRITE lololol". Not everyone praises the ground HMX walks on. A forum is a meeting of people to discuss things (not the Roman definition, of course, the modern one). So stop talking like it is.

[macamatic]

rb's windows are much tighter, which dont help your self-esteem, but are more accurate.
So requiring you to hit everything near-perfectly is accurate? Musicians that play onstage can't miss half a second then slowly get back in time without the crowd booing them off?

I enjoy both games and have never understood the need to constantly rip GH that is displayed here. Even in this topic, I see bias and prejudice running rampant. Multiple posts have been made about arrogant GH players who don't respect RB, and zero of them mention the identical people who play RB, who are just as prevalent.

If you don't like the game, fine. You don't have to buy it and you don't have to play it. You also don't have to devote time to insulting it.

mercuryshadow: I've been wondering...is your name by any chance a Soilwork reference?

[mercuryshadow09]

So requiring you to hit everything near-perfectly is accurate? Musicians that play onstage can't miss half a second then slowly get back in time without the crowd booing them off?

I enjoy both games and have never understood the need to constantly rip GH that is displayed here. Even in this topic, I see bias and prejudice running rampant. Multiple posts have been made about arrogant GH players who don't respect RB, and zero of them mention the identical people who play RB, who are just as prevalent.

If you don't like the game, fine. You don't have to buy it and you don't have to play it. You also don't have to devote time to insulting it.

mercuryshadow: I've been wondering...is your name by any chance a Soilwork reference?

Yes, in fact it is, how are you?

[Ultimatum]

Including the Activision CEO saying bands should be paying to be in their game.

He also wanted to charge a fee to access user-created content.

He also said that he would not accept any new IP unless if it can be, and I quote "exploited on a yearly basis."

[drag_racer]

Yeah, I ALWAYS have to correct people who state that Rock Band copied Guitar Hero. Basically, as of GH:WT, it's the other way around.

If anyone wants to say that Rock Band copied Guitar Hero, then just tell them that saying that is basically saying that Harmonix copied themselves.

[Lone Bulldogs]

I've never bashed GH Players. In fact, I have GH2 & 3. I didn't get the WT because I really didn't like the game. I love most of the music but I just prefer RB.

I will bash GHWT all day long. It has one of my favorite all time bands and I don't buy it because of the game play.

[obbrich]

I've never bashed GH Players. In fact, I have GH2 & 3. I didn't get the WT because I really didn't like the game. I love most of the music but I just prefer RB.

I will bash GHWT all day long. It has one of my favorite all time bands and I don't buy it because of the game play.

Yea, same here. There are about 10 songs on there that make it tempting as hell, but....

Like you, I don't bash players. You play what you want to play. However, I will not hesitate to unload on the game if asked.

Speaking of tempting... I was on vacation with the family last week. My kids brought along their PS2, to use as a DVD player, just in case. They also brought their Wii. At some point I found myself standing in (man I can't believe I'll even admit to this) Wal-Mart, staring at GH-WT having an internal debate as to whether to get it for the Wii or not. I play RB on my PS3. I was this--><--close to buying it, but I came to my senses. Not only would it have been an overall dumb purchase, it would have compounded the idiot factor because I didn't at least buy it for the same platform as RB2, thus allowing me to use the same controllers for both.

However... Later I found myself in Game Stop, and I did pick up a copy of Frequency for the PS2. That's an interesting little game. :)

[mercuryshadow09]

Yea, same here. There are about 10 songs on there that make it tempting as hell, but....

Like you, I don't bash players. You play what you want to play. However, I will not hesitate to unload on the game if asked.

Speaking of tempting... I was on vacation with the family last week. My kids brought along their PS2, to use as a DVD player, just in case. They also brought their Wii. At some point I found myself standing in (man I can't believe I'll even admit to this) Wal-Mart, staring at GH-WT having an internal debate as to whether to get it for the Wii or not. I play RB on my PS3. I was this--><--close to buying it, but I came to my senses. Not only would it have been an overall dumb purchase, it would have compounded the idiot factor because I didn't at least buy it for the same platform as RB2, thus allowing me to use the same controllers for both.

However... Later I found myself in Game Stop, and I did pick up a copy of Frequency for the PS2. That's an interesting little game. :)

All I will say here is, LOLWUT?

[cptnslapshot]

On the rock band copying gh thing red octane pattend the name band hero while they where still with harmonix so both companies have the right to use full band. just gh got on the train late. so noone copied anybody.

[Runa216]

Dammit, had a whole post written up, and apparently the Redo button doesn't work....

anyway, overall I think that the Rock Band community is far more mature and openminded, they are moreso music lovers that are playing videogames, and they tend to be well written, rational explanations as to why they're bashing Guitar Hero. Mind you, we RB folks are also very whiny when bad news is brought our way. When we argue, we do so with eloquence and rationality.

Guitar hero community, on the other hand, tends to act far less mature. from what I can tell, most of em are young folks, gamers who play games and use leetspeek instead of proper grammar. they seem more interested in just mindlessly bashing Rock Band than giving valid points why they like GH better. (I hate rectangles! Rock Band is just copying Guitar Hero) however, far less complaining is to be had about bad news.

Granted, not ALL of the members are like this on each respective community. just seems to be the majority. some members on this forum are immature brats, and there are some members on their forum that are mature.

The thing is, we seem far more capable of debating and rationalizing, so when WE bash guitar hero, the conversations last longer, and leave a lasting impression. when THEY bash US, it's just a lot of silliness without any real spine, so those threads are often ignored and left to die.

we bash each other about the same, but Rock Band users, from what I can tell, tend to be far more literate and capable. As such, their arguments go on longer and have a more valid impact on each respective community.

[mercuryshadow09]

Dammit, had a whole post written up, and apparently the Redo button doesn't work....

anyway, overall I think that the Rock Band community is far more mature and openminded, they are moreso music lovers that are playing videogames, and they tend to be well written, rational explanations as to why they're bashing Guitar Hero. Mind you, we RB folks are also very whiny when bad news is brought our way. When we argue, we do so with eloquence and rationality.

Guitar hero community, on the other hand, tends to act far less mature. from what I can tell, most of em are young folks, gamers who play games and use leetspeek instead of proper grammar. they seem more interested in just mindlessly bashing Rock Band than giving valid points why they like GH better. (I hate rectangles! Rock Band is just copying Guitar Hero) however, far less complaining is to be had about bad news.

Granted, not ALL of the members are like this on each respective community. just seems to be the majority. some members on this forum are immature brats, and there are some members on their forum that are mature.

The thing is, we seem far more capable of debating and rationalizing, so when WE bash guitar hero, the conversations last longer, and leave a lasting impression. when THEY bash US, it's just a lot of silliness without any real spine, so those threads are often ignored and left to die.

we bash each other about the same, but Rock Band users, from what I can tell, tend to be far more literate and capable. As such, their arguments go on longer and have a more valid impact on each respective community.

Are you smoking crack?

[kdogbillion]

I used to check the GHWT forum when it first came out, because I was thinking of buying it. I went now and it's changed a lot. There used to be posts about people posted saying "RB has ____ to download, can we please get this?" and there'd be tons of replies saying "rb sucks we get the cool bands" and "yeah there just copying gh", and be tons of insults (that were hidden beyond the topic title). Now I go and all I see is topics about broken instruments and needed support help. A lot has changed...

I don't come on here to bash Guitar Hero; usually there's a lot of posts about topics such as "Band games increase music sales" and "___ talks about his thoughts on band games and the direction of the music industry", or a weird poll talking about what genres should be included in Rock Band in the future. And in these topics I've seen the same handful of posters randomly post "oh man rb sucks because it's too serious, not fun, etc". So to see a handful of users do the same here is no surprise.

I've played GHWT. A friend has it. There's some interesting ideas in it, but the mechanics do not encourage any sort of learning curve, and is not a good party game at all. I play vocals, and vocals is a nightmare for a few reasons. First in how there's no gauge to tell how well you're doing in a phrase as a whole, and there's sections with hands and moving waves, and the booklet doesn't even tell you what you're supposed to do in them. The worst part was that the band meter was confusing, and took a while to figure out that me not knowing what to do in those sections caused the whole band to fail (the band didn't really know that I was the one who caused the fail because they couldn't tell either, so they weren't mad at me). This makes it a poor party game.

And RB has many small details that are enjoyable. Crowd singalongs, actual band cohesion (guitarists singing with the vocalists into mics, guitar players back to back), and characters that look like they're a local band actually having fun. The game actually has the feel of you as an indivudual player responsible for your own performance, and able to support your other bandmates. That is what keeps the game going at parties.

Having a large music collection, that is widely varied, and effectively introduces less popular bands into their collection is a big bonus too.

[Mex]

My questions is why would anyone care if GH is bashed on these forums?

It doesn't bother me if I go to the GH forums and see RB bashing. Really it's just an opinion and it won't change the way I feel about either game. It's not like someone is going on the internet and taking shots at your family. We're talking about video games here.

So what's the problem?

[mercuryshadow09]

My questions is why would anyone care if GH is bashed on these forums?

It doesn't bother me if I go to the GH forums and see RB bashing. Really it's just an opinion and it won't change the way I feel about either game. It's not like someone is going on the internet and taking shots at your family. We're talking about video games here.

So what's the problem?

It get's old and help's to clutter the forum's, I hate wading through all the garbage.

[n8littlefield]

I have both - there were games in the World Tour track list that tempted me too much and frankly Guitar Hero has been much better in supporting the Wii than HMX has been. Just like I can have more than one platformer or fighting game in my collection, I can have more than one music game.

[Mex]

It get's old and help's to clutter the forum's, I hate wading through all the garbage.

I understand the sentiment that wading through useless threads is kind of annoying, but I don't see thread after thread of GH bashing. I see the odd one here and there that get's moved to General or locked completely.

[xdoctortx]

I work in a video game retail store... and what really gets my goat is that over a year ago when I was hyping up RB1 to just about anyone that would listen, I got alot of "I'll stick with GH, I don't want a full band game". Now here we are over a year later and those same people are coming in buying GHWT by the boatfull.

People like that are literally just buying whatever Activision throws out there with the GH name on. I guess it's Harmonix's fault for making the first 3 GH games so good.

[PCTraitor]

Are you smoking crack?

An example of a GH fan type response to a well written post. At least debate his points, if you can.

[mercuryshadow09]

I understand the sentiment that wading through useless threads is kind of annoying, but I don't see thread after thread of GH bashing. I see the odd one here and there that get's moved to General or locked completely.

Post after post of GH bashing make's Jack a very tired boy, know what I mean?

[PCTraitor]

I work in a video game retail store... and what really gets my goat is that over a year ago when I was hyping up RB1 to just about anyone that would listen, I got alot of "I'll stick with GH, I don't want a full band game". Now here we are over a year later and those same people are coming in buying GHWT by the boatfull.

People like that are literally just buying whatever Activision throws out there with the GH name on. I guess it's Harmonix's fault for making the first 3 GH games so good.

That is very true. A recognizable brand name is more important than quality especially when the person is unfamiliar with the product and their competitors. When I go to Best Buy (which is about once a week) I see the really young people (18 and under) and their parents buying GH, while the group inbetween may pick Rock Band. At least from what I've seen when actively trying to pay attention.

Just to pick one of a dozen things that bother me about GHWT is the animations. The characters do not resemble what they are playing in the slightest. It really reminds me of Chuck E Cheese animatronic puppets playing music. If that is not a valid point against GHWT vs. Rock band then I don't know what is.

[ereadfan]

Well I own both GHWT and RB2 (on Wii) and I gotta say, Rock Band 2 is, IMO, much, much better than GH. This is just my preference, but I'd definitely take RB over GH anyday of the week, month, year, etc.

[xdoctortx]

That is very true.

Just to pick one of a dozen things that bother me about GHWT is the animations. The characters do not resemble what they are playing in the slightest. It really reminds me of Chuck E Cheese animatronic puppets playing music. If that is not a valid point against GHWT vs. Rock band then I don't know what is.

Don't get me started on the animations...

What good is having Ozzy in your game if he looks like a puppet with a stick rammed up his backside?

[Mex]

Post after post of GH bashing make's Jack a very tired boy, know what I mean?

I understand what you mean, I just don't see it. Unless you mean that the majority if the posts in regards to GH are anti-GH. Well just what the heck can we do about that? Make people like it more? If someone starts a thread about GH I'm not going to post pretending to like the game.

[mercuryshadow09]

An example of a GH fan type response to a well written post. At least debate his points, if you can.

Here ya go. (http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109765) From right here on our forum's.:D

[wickedbadz]

I own both games and honestly GHWT is better for offline multiplayer if someone isn't playing on expert. Rockband has messed up charting speed when 1 user doesn't use expert and nothing fixes this issue. It's odd it even exsist considering Harmonix invented this stuff and GH has never had the issue.

Online I'd choose Rockband hands down, GHWT just totally sucks online in every mode.
I prefer the vocals in GHWT since they aren't as simple as Rockbands where a screaming baby can FC songs.
Guitar wise is a toss up for me, I like the charting better in GHWT than Rockband but prefer the Rockband song list.
Bass wise, GHWT hands down for Bass playing, the open note and charts make much more sense than Rockbands.
Drum wise, I don't think either one is doing drum charts anywhere near right. GHWT adds the extra note which helps and makes the chart more realistic though but again it's a toss up there.

[mercuryshadow09]

I understand what you mean, I just don't see it. Unless you mean that the majority if the posts in regards to GH are anti-GH. Well just what the heck can we do about that? Make people like it more? If someone starts a thread about GH I'm not going to post pretending to like the game.

Yeah, I'm really not trying to have an argument about it, all I'm saying is the multiple "Why GH pwns RB" thread's and GH suck's day after day is getting old.

[moose39]

Well, honestly, I don't really like GH fans because most of them are mean. There are very very few people on the GH forums that are like most of the people on here. Most of the people here are cool and very collected.

When I think of GH I think of cavemen playing SG's. Rock Band's not like that. It seems less...ignorant?

I prefer Rock Band because of it's attitude and look. I'm not a fan of GH's extremely cartoonish and unrealistic look.

Harmonix invented this and perfected it. Neversoft just took the same formula and altered it, and their version is something I dislike.

[smith5879]

They bash it because they think RB is better therefor GH sucks. People work that way, even though it's not exactly the most civil thing to do.

Just like you can't go to a Behind Blue Eyes video on youtube without people having a war over Limp Bizkit/The Who. You just can't.

Limp Bizkit's cover is atrocious and I can't believe The Who licensed the song to them. :mad:

[Lylax_9]

Konami's own Rock Revolution is the worst title of the bunch nowadays.

I think you're forgetting Ultimate Band.

Anyway, WT and RB2 are equal in my opinion but a lot of people on this forum do bash WT.

[wickedbadz]

Well, honestly, I don't really like GH fans because most of them are mean. There are very very few people on the GH forums that are like most of the people on here. Most of the people here are cool and very collected.

When I think of GH I think of cavemen playing SG's. Rock Band's not like that. It seems less...ignorant?

I prefer Rock Band because of it's attitude and look. I'm not a fan of GH's extremely cartoonish and unrealistic look.

Harmonix invented this and perfected it. Neversoft just took the same formula and altered it, and their version is something I dislike.

How can you honestly say Harmonix perfected this? Have you ever tried playing on expert with someone on another level? Try it once and tell me it's perfect because it's far from it.

[Siege21392]

another thing that a friend of mine said about guitar hero is that she was going to get guitar hero because its the original. I think thats the mindset of most guitar hero fans. (this is coming from a used to be guitar hero fanatic who hated RB.... till i played it that is)

[Infinity]

gh didnt suck intill gh:wt for me.

[Lawl01]

The point is that both communities (RB and GH) have a lot of elitist members, those who will argue that whatever product they love the most is better than it's competitor. I have seen many idiotic fan boys at the GHC, and a good chunk as well here. I did notice a difference between both communities though. The GH forums have "RB sucks" threads and posts as well but that's nothing compared to the "GH fails" threads that are seen here EVERYWHERE.

[mercuryshadow09]

gh didnt suck intill gh:wt for me.

Can I ask what grade you're in?

[zerofan]

The RB2 drums dont work well with GHWT...it drops notes like crazy.

[mercuryshadow09]

The point is that both communities (RB and GH) have a lot of elitist members, those who will argue that whatever product they love the most is better than it's competitor. I have seen many idiotic fan boys at the GHC, and a good chunk as well here. I did notice a difference between both communities though. The GH forums have "RB sucks" threads and posts as well but that's nothing compared to the "GH fails" threads that are seen here EVERYWHERE.

Thank you.

[mercuryshadow09]

The RB2 drums dont work well with GHWT...it drops notes like crazy.

Then you might look into RMA'ing your drum's, mine work fine.

[Siege21392]

The point is that both communities (RB and GH) have a lot of elitist members, those who will argue that whatever product they love the most is better than it's competitor. I have seen many idiotic fan boys at the GHC, and a good chunk as well here. I did notice a difference between both communities though. The GH forums have "RB sucks" threads and posts as well but that's nothing compared to the "GH fails" threads that are seen here EVERYWHERE. very good point

[moose39]

How can you honestly say Harmonix perfected this? Have you ever tried playing on expert with someone on another level? Try it once and tell me it's perfect because it's far from it.

I didn't mean it like that. 'perfected' was supposed to mean 'started it and made it good.'

[mercuryshadow09]

I didn't mean it like that. 'perfected' was supposed to mean 'started it and made it good.'

Maybe polished was the word you were looking for?

[moose39]

Maybe polished was the word you were looking for?

Ah! There we go. Thanks.

[HeyRiles]

I'd just like to point out that a number of these GH-bashing threads are spawned from people who claim they're making the jump from GH to RB

[mercuryshadow09]

I'd just like to point out that a number of these GH-bashing threads are spawned from people who claim they're making the jump from GH to RB

So your point is they were GH fanboy's now they're RB fanboy's?

[afterstasis]

folks just need to have some manners slapped into 'em sometimes...

unfortunately, the internet is not presently equipped with a slapper.

[willpwn4f0od]

hey you got ppl all cought up in a stupid game and buy EVERY SINGLE DLC song... shirt... guitar... undies :D.... that they cant help being retarted... wakin up in the morning to find a rock band alarm clock sayn "hello sunshine"

[mercuryshadow09]

An example of a GH fan type response to a well written post. At least debate his points, if you can.

He admittedly say's "WE bash GH", that's mature? How much do you want to debate this? Still waiting for a reply from the last one.

[HeyRiles]

hey you got ppl all cought up in a stupid game and buy EVERY SINGLE DLC song... shirt... guitar... undies :D.... that they cant help being retarted... wakin up in the morning to find a rock band alarm clock sayn "hello sunshine"

I was just about to say that! Like, that exact same sentence and everything

[TheGreatKtulu]

folks just need to have some manners slapped into 'em sometimes...

unfortunately, the internet is not presently equipped with a slapper.

...the guy who invents that will be a Billionaire within a week

[willpwn4f0od]

I was just about to say that! Like, that exact same sentence and everything

yeahh thats sweet...

but people need to know its just a game. just because you like one game more than another you shouldnt put dont people who like a different game.. my GF loves "Petz: Rescue Vet" for the DS that i got her for Christmas.. i own a PSP and i didnt insist to like or get her what she wont like... : /

[Dreamflight]

As an outsider looking in, it does seem to me that there is far more GH bashing here than RB bashing over at the GH boards. I click on a random thread here that mentions GH in passing and it eventually turns into a bashing thread. Over there? Yes, there is RB bashing, same as there is GH bashing here. The biggest difference is that there are prominent members on the GH site who will turn around and stick up for RB - So much that they are often called "RB fanboys", which we all know is the worst insult on the tubes.

You know, maybe I've picked the wrong threads to read. Maybe I have just seen an extremely vocal minority. Both of these are likely possibilities, considering I'm far newer here than there. However, even a minority can turn a perfectly good user away from the boards if said minority creates the perception that EVERYONE here bashes GH and thus frustrates that user. To be frank, it is kind of frustrating. I don't particularly care to see bashing, if only because it clutters threads and makes me think less of that poster's thought processes. Criticism is one thing, and there is plenty to be leveled at GH (or just about anything, really), but are the insults needed?

On the flip side, there seems to be less "GH IS BEST" trolling here. I haven't even seen it, to be honest. This tells me that the community is monitored well, or just that people don't care to troll it. I lean towards the first possibility.

[mimic]

There really shouldn't be any bashing from either side.

Fact is you're all a bunch of pathetic losers going nuts on plastic toys and pretending to be rock stars in your living room.

[mercuryshadow09]

As an outsider looking in, it does seem to me that there is far more GH bashing here than RB bashing over at the GH boards. I click on a random thread here that mentions GH in passing and it eventually turns into a bashing thread. Over there? Yes, there is RB bashing, same as there is GH bashing here. The biggest difference is that there are prominent members on the GH site who will turn around and stick up for RB - So much that they are often called "RB fanboys", which we all know is the worst insult on the tubes.

You know, maybe I've picked the wrong threads to read. Maybe I have just seen an extremely vocal minority. Both of these are likely possibilities, considering I'm far newer here than there. However, even a minority can turn a perfectly good user away from the boards if said minority creates the perception that EVERYONE here bashes GH and thus frustrates that user. To be frank, it is kind of frustrating. I don't particularly care to see bashing, if only because it clutters threads and makes me think less of that poster's thought processes. Criticism is one thing, and there is plenty to be leveled at GH (or just about anything, really), but are the insults needed?

On the flip side, there seems to be less "GH IS BEST" trolling here. I haven't even seen it, to be honest. This tells me that the community is monitored well, or just that people don't care to troll it. I lean towards the first possibility.

Couldn't have said it better myself. What's funny here is that newer people to the forum's see this and others don't? This used to be a nice place to come and have a conversation, lately it has been unpleasant here.

[patronise]

This is the way I see it. It’s as if my favourite band got a whole new lineup of players. The new musicians might do a decent job of carrying on the sound of original band, but you’re still all too aware that they’re not the band you started listening too. Meanwhile the original members have gone on to found a new band that took their sound in an even more advanced direction. And now the replacement band members have started to follow that same new direction.

That said, both games are pretty awesome and it's fantastic that World Tour and Rock Band are cross-compatible. So you can have enjoy both games quite easily.

[PCTraitor]

There really shouldn't be any bashing from either side.

Fact is you're all a bunch of pathetic losers going nuts on plastic toys and pretending to be rock stars in your living room.

and then there is this kind

[mercuryshadow09]

and then there is this kind

What kind is that? I think he's talking about the ridiculousness of some of the people here, turn your sarcasm detector on.

[obbrich]

As an outsider looking in, it does seem to me that there is far more GH bashing here than RB bashing over at the GH boards. I click on a random thread here that mentions GH in passing and it eventually turns into a bashing thread.

A few points:

1. Is there REALLY a lot of bashing over here, or is there a few threads that contain a lot of bashing?

2. Raw numbers of bashing threads tell us nothing. If anybody is interested in an Oranges to Oranges* comparison, then get the percentage of "bash" threads as compared to total active threads.

3. What would you expect on a forum dedicated to Rock Band? Love for "the other game?" I would expect that any thread that has "GH" in the subject line somewhere, is going to contain a fair amount of game bashing. If it offends, then I suggest one should avoid any thread in here with GH in the subject, AND any thread on the GH boards with the term "RB" in the subject line.

It's just that simple.

And yes, I do have an account over there too, and I do look at the forums every once in a while if there's info I want to know, like DLC announcements. I tend to avoid anything that looks like a RB bash thread because I know I'll spend more time and energy that I should responding to it.

[willpwn4f0od]

EVERYONE is guilty this at one time..

[mercuryshadow09]

A few points:

1. Is there REALLY a lot of bashing over here, or is there a few threads that contain a lot of bashing?

2. Raw numbers of bashing threads tell us nothing. If anybody is interested in an Oranges to Oranges* comparison, then get the percentage of "bash" threads as compared to total active threads.

3. What would you expect on a forum dedicated to Rock Band? Love for "the other game?" I would expect that any thread that has "GH" in the subject line somewhere, is going to contain a fair amount of game bashing. If it offends, then I suggest one should avoid any thread in here with GH in the subject, AND any thread on the GH boards with the term "RB" in the subject line.

It's just that simple.

And yes, I do have an account over there too, and I do look at the forums every once in a while if there's info I want to know, like DLC announcements. I tend to avoid anything that looks like a RB bash thread because I know I'll spend more time and energy that I should responding to it.

1. Yes there is. A lot more than there used to be.

2. Ok, whatever.

3. Refer to above post.


Couldn't have said it better myself. What's funny here is that newer people to the forum's see this and others don't? This used to be a nice place to come and have a conversation, lately it has been unpleasant here.

[mercuryshadow09]

and then there is this kind

So you wanna debate or you gonna ignore me?:confused: Come on man you called me out.


An example of a GH fan type response to a well written post. At least debate his points, if you can.


And I answered you.


He admittedly say's "WE bash GH", that's mature? How much do you want to debate this? Still waiting for a reply from the last one.


So now I'm calling you out.

[Dreamflight]

1. Is there REALLY a lot of bashing over here, or is there a few threads that contain a lot of bashing?
It could be either. I'll admit, it's most likely the latter.


2. Raw numbers of bashing threads tell us nothing. If anybody is interested in an Oranges to Oranges* comparison, then get the percentage of "bash" threads as compared to total active threads.
Yeah, I understand this. But without reading almost every thread ever, there is no way to know this for sure. I'm just saying that's what it seems like to me from what little I've read around this place. Maybe I'm wrong? I'd bet money I am, but I haven't been around enough or read enough to see this yet.


3. What would you expect on a forum dedicated to Rock Band? Love for "the other game?" I would expect that any thread that has "GH" in the subject line somewhere, is going to contain a fair amount of game bashing. If it offends, then I suggest one should avoid any thread in here with GH in the subject, AND any thread on the GH boards with the term "RB" in the subject line.
Love != respect.

No, I'm not expecting threads to read "OMG GH IS THE GREATEST GAME EVER" on a Rock Band board. It's not going to happen for obvious reasons. If it does happen, odds are it's a troll (you don't feed 'em, right?) or some horribly misguided member, misguided in the sense of expecting a ton of positivity and agreement.

People want to criticize a game? Okay, I'm cool with that. I've seen some good reasons in this thread, and they're rational too. I agree with some of them, especially on the cartoon style. I dislike the cartoon style of WT and far prefer the more realistic style of RB2. That kind of thing is not what I have any issue with. They said their piece, they said it respectfully. The irksome posts are the ones that contain little more than insults.

[mercuryshadow09]

It could be either. I'll admit, it's most likely the latter.


Yeah, I understand this. But without reading almost every thread ever, there is no way to know this for sure. I'm just saying that's what it seems like to me from what little I've read around this place. Maybe I'm wrong? I'd bet money I am, but I haven't been around enough or read enough to see this yet.


Love != respect.

No, I'm not expecting threads to read "OMG GH IS THE GREATEST GAME EVER" on a Rock Band board. It's not going to happen for obvious reasons. If it does happen, odds are it's a troll (you don't feed 'em, right?) or some horribly misguided member, misguided in the sense of expecting a ton of positivity and agreement.

People want to criticize a game? Okay, I'm cool with that. I've seen some good reasons in this thread, and they're rational too. I agree with some of them, especially on the cartoon style. I dislike the cartoon style of WT and far prefer the more realistic style of RB2. That kind of thing is not what I have any issue with. They said their piece, they said it respectfully. The irksome posts are the ones that contain little more than insults.

At least there's some sign of intelligent life still here.

[obbrich]

Yeah, I understand this. But without reading almost every thread ever, there is no way to know this for sure. I'm just saying that's what it seems like to me from what little I've read around this place. Maybe I'm wrong? I'd bet money I am, but I haven't been around enough or read enough to see this yet.

Ok, so you're a GH owner who is looking around... I would suspect that a fairly skewed opinion formed almost immediately. I would bet that when you came in here looking for info, you were immediately drawn to any and all threads that contained "GH" or "GH-WT" in the title. It's human nature. You went right for the one thing that was familiar which would be a thread about a game you already own. That would skew anybody's opinion.

[snakeeyes316]

Well Im still rather new to this whole genre of games. Personally and once again this is just me I really dont have a preference on which is better because I really enjoy both for different reasons. I think Rock Band has its good points and bad as well as GH does but still I dont see the need to bash one over the other. I get just as much enjoyment out of both.

[mercuryshadow09]

Ok, so you're a GH owner who is looking around... I would suspect that a fairly skewed opinion formed almost immediately. I would bet that when you came in here looking for info, you were immediately drawn to any and all threads that contained "GH" or "GH-WT" in the title. It's human nature. You went right for the one thing that was familiar which would be a thread about a game you already own. That would skew anybody's opinion.

I cant believe you really just said that. So nobody willing to have an INTELLIGENT debate?

[obbrich]

I cant believe you really just said that.

Why?

Are you telling me that, for instance, you owned a Wii and you were looking to buy a 360 and you went to a website forum meant for 360 users, that you wouldn't naturally click on a thread that contained the word "Wii" in the subject line?

Yea right. Nobody has that little amount of natural curiosity. Of course you're going to look, and chances are your opinion of the whole site is going to be skewed by the initial opinion. Now, every time you see the word "Wii" on a subject line of a thread, it'll be chalked up as a bash thread.

Once you become aware and sensitized to it, you see it everywhere. The actual frequency has very little to do with it. You gloss over the 100 threads that state that "xxxxx" sucks because you have no interest in that, but you'll notice the 1 in 100 thread that hits the thing you're familiar with. Now, instead of a fairly average number of bash threads on any given subject, all you see is bash threads about the subject you actually care about, and project that into "Everybody here hates, XXXX" when in fact they don't.

[mercuryshadow09]

Why?

Are you telling me that, for instance, you owned a Wii and you were looking to buy a 360 and you went to a website forum meant for 360 users, that you wouldn't naturally click on a thread that contained the word "Wii" in the subject line?

Yea right. Nobody has that little amount of natural curiosity. Of course you're going to look, and chances are your opinion of the whole site is going to be skewed by the initial opinion. Now, every time you see the word "Wii" on a subject line of a thread, it'll be chalked up as a bash thread.

Once you become aware and sensitized to it, you see it everywhere. The actual frequency has very little to do with it. You gloss over the 100 threads that state that "xxxxx" sucks because you have no interest in that, but you'll notice the 1 in 100 thread that hits the thing you're familiar with. Now, instead of a fairly average number of bash threads on any given subject, all you see is bash threads about the subject you actually care about, and project that into "Everybody here hates, XXXX" when in fact they don't.

Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying, but like I said there is a LOT more bashing here than there used to be. Is my point, and it make's me not want to come here anymore. This place is turning into the GH forum's.

[Dreamflight]

Ok, so you're a GH owner who is looking around... I would suspect that a fairly skewed opinion formed almost immediately. I would bet that when you came in here looking for info, you were immediately drawn to any and all threads that contained "GH" or "GH-WT" in the title. It's human nature. You went right for the one thing that was familiar which would be a thread about a game you already own. That would skew anybody's opinion.
Yes, I own GH.
Sure, I was drawn to those threads, most likely for the reasons you posted. They were an anchor in an otherwise unfamiliar section of the boards.
I'll even admit it's skewed my opinion a bit, but that doesn't mean I'm unreceptive to it being changed or proven wrong. But the one thing that will require for any member is time.

As for information, lol. I did my research before buying and joining. I don't like wasting cash or time on a product that will not work for me. The only information I need at this point is when DLC on Wii will be released. I know, nobody knows. The very first thing I looked up was whether or not the music store was up yet, actually.

[mercuryshadow09]

Yes, I own GH.
Sure, I was drawn to those threads, most likely for the reasons you posted. They were an anchor in an otherwise unfamiliar section of the boards.
I'll even admit it's skewed my opinion a bit, but that doesn't mean I'm unreceptive to it being changed or proven wrong. But the one thing that will require for any member is time.

As for information, lol. I did my research before buying and joining. I don't like wasting cash or time on a product that will not work for me. The only information I need at this point is when DLC on Wii will be released. I know, nobody knows. The very first thing I looked up was whether or not the music store was up yet, actually.

You think he can change my opinion? I've seen this place go down hill fast since RB2 was released.

[Ultimatum]

How popular is Bang Camaro?

The only real popularity surge I can think of is Dragonforce, and that's GHIII.

GH fans are usually more arrogant than us. GH:WT is horrible compared to RB...etc...

You forgot about Buckethead's surge from GH2.

ALL artists see increases in sales, but a few went from being relatively unheard of to huge.

[Dreamflight]

You think he can change my opinion?
I don't think any one member will change anyone's opinion on an issue like this. In my experience, it requires participating in the community and seeing if your perceptions were right or wrong.

I've been in some communities where I downright HATED members. Over time, I grew to like them. The reverse applies as well. It wasn't so much anything anyone said or did; it was an effect of time and seeing how they behave.

[mercuryshadow09]

I don't think any one member will change anyone's opinion on an issue like this. In my experience, it requires participating in the community and seeing if your perceptions were right or wrong.

I've been in some communities where I downright HATED members. Over time, I grew to like them. The reverse applies as well. It wasn't so much anything anyone said or did; it was an effect of time and seeing how they behave.

I'm not expecting him to change my opinion, at least prove me wrong, my point is there is way too much immaturity, and I understand it's the interwebz, I just grow tired of the stupidity.

[mimic]

Learn to play a real guitar!

[mercuryshadow09]

Learn to play a real guitar!

Lol, it's funny to me, but you're not making my argument any stronger.

[MikeCrick]

Well bashing in general is just a waste of time mostly.

I've done my share of World Tour bashing, but more so because it was so utterly disappointing. I expected to like Rock Band more, but I also expected World Tour to be at least playable.

I think the problem with World Tour is just that they've had a whole year to look at what Rock Band has done and try to improve on it. Yet they failed and, in my opinion, failed very hard.

There is also the issue that both games are actually quite different, meaning they appeal to different types of people. I enjoy Rock Band because of the overall presentation and the 'little things' stuff like fans and challenges which make it more than just a simple music game.

World Tour lacks these things, but we aren't all alike and some people probably just don't care about this stuff and just want to play their favorite songs. There is nothing wrong with either side of the coin.

There is more bashing on these forums but lets not forget the white wash of

"World Tour is going to be so much better than Rock Band, look at the awesome drums etc. etc."

Not just from fans either, but the designers themselves. To me and most other Rock Band players, this just simply wasn't true and the response now is more of a 'guess what, it's not that great guys!' rather than just flat out bashing for bashing sake.

[CCDaDon]

People need to get over this, if you go to a NBA 2K forum of course you're going to see NBA Live bashing, its in the nature of competition and rivalry. When you prefer something its only natural to defend it and bash the opposing factor. I know I do it, and everyone else does or have done it. Lets just move on and accept that it happens and quit arguing over where it happens the most at.

[mercuryshadow09]

Well bashing in general is just a waste of time mostly.

I've done my share of World Tour bashing, but more so because it was so utterly disappointing. I expected to like Rock Band more, but I also expected World Tour to be at least playable.

I think the problem with World Tour is just that they've had a whole year to look at what Rock Band has done and try to improve on it. Yet they failed and, in my opinion, failed very hard.

There is also the issue that both games are actually quite different, meaning they appeal to different types of people. I enjoy Rock Band because of the overall presentation and the 'little things' stuff like fans and challenges which make it more than just a simple music game.

World Tour lacks these things, but we aren't all alike and some people probably just don't care about this stuff and just want to play their favorite songs. There is nothing wrong with either side of the coin.

There is more bashing on these forums but lets not forget the white wash of

"World Tour is going to be so much better than Rock Band, look at the awesome drums etc. etc."

Not just from fans either, but the designers themselves. To me and most other Rock Band players, this just simply wasn't true and the response now is more of a 'guess what, it's not that great guys!' rather than just flat out bashing for bashing sake.

I beg to differ.

[mimic]

Lol, it's funny to me, but you're not making my argument any stronger.

Am I making it weaker?

I bought ghwt and I hate it. I rarely ever say anything about it.

I bash the hell out of rock band. The lack of stars, online quitters, etc. I'm constantly whining to anyone that will listen.

I guess what I'm trying to say is all the people bashing ghwt are actually in love with it and want to make out with it.

[mercuryshadow09]

People need to get over this, if you go to a NBA 2K forum of course you're going to see NBA Live bashing, its in the nature of competition and rivalry. When you prefer something its only natural to defend it and bash the opposing factor. I know I do it, and everyone else does or have done it. Lets just move on and accept that it happens and quit arguing over where it happens the most at.

Can it be done in an intelligent and mature manner?

[mimic]

This thread is now in the general section so therefore it no longer matters.

All posts in this thread are useless now.

Don't bother responding to this, it won't be read.

[Dreamflight]

and I understand it's the interwebz, I just grow tired of the stupidity.
You and me both. I could rant for hours.

I think I've said my piece. If my opinion changes, it changes.


and the 'little things' stuff like fans and challenges which make it more than just a simple music game.
I have to agree with this. This is a huge reason I'm playing RB2 as much as I am. Granted, one can argue that stars and fans are basically just separate scores, but they seem consistent with the goals of the game, so I rather enjoy their presence.

[mercuryshadow09]

Well bashing in general is just a waste of time mostly.

I've done my share of World Tour bashing, but more so because it was so utterly disappointing. I expected to like Rock Band more, but I also expected World Tour to be at least playable.

I think the problem with World Tour is just that they've had a whole year to look at what Rock Band has done and try to improve on it. Yet they failed and, in my opinion, failed very hard.

There is also the issue that both games are actually quite different, meaning they appeal to different types of people. I enjoy Rock Band because of the overall presentation and the 'little things' stuff like fans and challenges which make it more than just a simple music game.

World Tour lacks these things, but we aren't all alike and some people probably just don't care about this stuff and just want to play their favorite songs. There is nothing wrong with either side of the coin.

There is more bashing on these forums but lets not forget the white wash of

"World Tour is going to be so much better than Rock Band, look at the awesome drums etc. etc."

Not just from fans either, but the designers themselves. To me and most other Rock Band players, this just simply wasn't true and the response now is more of a 'guess what, it's not that great guys!' rather than just flat out bashing for bashing sake.

Ok, we all know RB is the better game, I guess I'm on useless crusade for peace and intelligence on a forum I used to love. I feel like I cant talk about the game's I love without getting flamed or something.

[CCDaDon]

Ok, we all know RB is the better game, I guess I'm on useless crusade for peace and intelligence on a forum I used to love. I feel like I cant talk about the game's I love without getting flamed or something.

Wait a few months, its only like this because the games released so close to eachother. It should die down sooner or later.

[mercuryshadow09]

Wait a few months, its only like this because the games released so close to eachother. It should die down sooner or later.

I hope you're right.

[Mex]

This thread is still kickin!

Just to chime in again, I see more RB bashing here than GH bashing. I'm not saying people shouldn't voice their displeasure about features missing from RB, but sometimes it get's out of hand. For example, not long ago some guy was complaining that the RB2 drums need 3 batteries as opposed to 4. He doesn't like uneven numbers.

Stuff like that, in my opinion is worse than "I played GHWT and it's horrible". But that's just my opinion.

[a21schizoidman]

a few months ago, their forums were overflooding with RB-bashing threads and comments

[gosox333]

If some people out there want to deliberately deprive themselves of another great music game, then they definitely deserve missing out. GHWT is certainly not something to pass up on because of brand loyalty.

As an established and very profitable franchise, RB won't be going anywhere unless HMX says so. Supporting the competition won't kill RB.

[Kariodude]

You think he can change my opinion? I've seen this place go down hill fast since RB2 was released.

I know what you're talking about, but I distinctly remember just after Rock Band 2 was released that there was a flood of members from the Guitar Hero forums coming here just to bash us for liking Rock Band. That's when a lot of people adopted their "let's hate GH and GH players" mentality that they have now.

[White_Pointer]

I've done my share of World Tour bashing, but more so because it was so utterly disappointing. I expected to like Rock Band more, but I also expected World Tour to be at least playable.

World Tour isn't playable? Wow...that's news to me. The copy I have must have fallen from heaven or something because it works perfectly and is totally playable.


I'm not expecting him to change my opinion, at least prove me wrong, my point is there is way too much immaturity, and I understand it's the interwebz, I just grow tired of the stupidity.

I'm growing tired of your constant one-line posts. Seriously man you've posted 3 times per page for practically this entire thread with one-liners. You have an opinion...that's fine. You want to respond to lots of people...fine. But please stop the one-liners and attempt to construct some kind of reasonable response to a post. Making posts that only say "I beg to differ" and "my words exactly" are not helpful and would be considered spam on many other internet forums.

White_Pointer

[hawkofva]

Woo, I actually read this whole thread and find it all quite humorous. Whether someone is defending Guitar Hero or Rock Band (or bashing both, in the case of Mimic), the discussion devolves into "calling out" the other people to make them defend their opinions, which is rather ridiculous, because they shouldn't have to. They're opinions, so the fact that they don't line up with yours means (shock and awe) you are different people. If you like one game or the other, great, you're normal. If you somehow hate the other one, that's your loss.

Personally, I prefer Rock Band. I've always been drawn to more cooperative games, which RB came across as back when I picked up the first one. The vast song library I have for it now and the familiar interface kept my money on this side of the fence for round two. It's not a matter of not liking Guitar Hero, I just would rather buy new Rock Band songs with the money the game would cost me.

[Soja]

We don't bash Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero bashes itself by being a laughable shadow of its former self.

We just like to point out the fact.

Also, 7-11 lolololol

[mercuryshadow09]

World Tour isn't playable? Wow...that's news to me. The copy I have must have fallen from heaven or something because it works perfectly and is totally playable.



I'm growing tired of your constant one-line posts. Seriously man you've posted 3 times per page for practically this entire thread with one-liners. You have an opinion...that's fine. You want to respond to lots of people...fine. But please stop the one-liners and attempt to construct some kind of reasonable response to a post. Making posts that only say "I beg to differ" and "my words exactly" are not helpful and would be considered spam on many other internet forums.

White_Pointer

So you didn't get my point? Do I have to type a wall of text to get my point across?

[White_Pointer]

No, you just need to post in a way that's actually understandable. What *is* your point, exactly? All I see is annoying one-liners and you seem to have opinions on both sides of the argument.

You don't need to type a wall of text but come on man, put a little effort in and at least try to make a paragraph to back yourself up. It's no wonder you've managed ~4700 posts in a little over a year.

White_Pointer

[kdogbillion]

So you didn't get my point? Do I have to type a wall of text to get my point across?

You had a point? You picked people's posts you could use a one line argument on, then called them immature or unintelligent, without providing any actual information or valid counterpoint at all. It says you have thousands of posts, and I wouldn't be surprised if they are of attacking people on this board who enjoy this game, and are not so fond of Guitar Hero: world tour. I said my piece; the fact that you were scared to pick it apart says a lot about your troll-like behavior.

You have provided nothing to this conversation other than "yeah, i agree", "no, thats' not right", 'that's an immature response", or "that's an intelligent response". Are you refereeing? Because you're seriously too biased to do that.

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

I would think that it's kinda hard to wade through several hundred page or so DLC announcement topics and find references to people "jumping ship" to GH because of song choices. Just look at the topic for the country songs. A lot of people didn't realize that country is on the GHWT disc in the form of On the Road Again. Now there's also the country pack being released over there...

Also there's all the RB bashing that went on during the GH3 days. You know, all the posts and stuff on forums about GH3 being harder and all that.


In short, it doesn't bother me that much. I take some enjoyment from "trolling" or what have you when GH v RB comes up. I dislike how GH is being handled now and like RB a whole lot more, but I will play both if given the chance at a party.

[bierfaht]

Yo....you know we're not talking about GHIII, right? 12? I'm 37.

i know we are not talking about ghiii. do you think i am an idiot? i am saying that charts made hard for the sake of pleasing your difficulty nerds, canned animation and uninspired song selection do not do it for me.

you also do realize what a generalization is, right?
just because you are old does not mean that the average hardcore player of GH is not much younger then that of RB

[mercuryshadow09]

You had a point? You picked people's posts you could use a one line argument on, then called them immature or unintelligent, without providing any actual information or valid counterpoint at all. It says you have thousands of posts, and I wouldn't be surprised if they are of attacking people on this board who enjoy this game, and are not so fond of Guitar Hero: world tour. I said my piece; the fact that you were scared to pick it apart says a lot about your troll-like behavior.

You have provided nothing to this conversation other than "yeah, i agree", "no, thats' not right", 'that's an immature response", or "that's an intelligent response". Are you refereeing? Because you're seriously too biased to do that.

Referring to all the GHWT trash talk.


Yes, very old and tiresome, why I dont post much anymore.


You'd think in this day and age where my PS3 and 360 sleep right next to each, and dont fight mind you, and my RB2 drum kit loves playing GHWT, I mean we're all human right? We all come from the same place, why cant we have both games and love both?


It get's old and help's to clutter the forum's, I hate wading through all the garbage.


Yeah, I'm really not trying to have an argument about it, all I'm saying is the multiple "Why GH pwns RB" thread's and GH suck's day after day is getting old.


What's funny here is that newer people to the forum's see this and others don't? This used to be a nice place to come and have a conversation, lately it has been unpleasant here.


there is a LOT more bashing here than there used to be. Is my point, and it make's me not want to come here anymore. This place is turning into the GH forum's.


Ok, we all know RB is the better game, I guess I'm on useless crusade for peace and intelligence on a forum I used to love. I feel like I cant talk about the game's I love without getting flamed or something.

Get my point now? I thought I was pretty clear, considering the thread title.

[mercuryshadow09]

No, you just need to post in a way that's actually understandable. What *is* your point, exactly? All I see is annoying one-liners and you seem to have opinions on both sides of the argument.

You don't need to type a wall of text but come on man, put a little effort in and at least try to make a paragraph to back yourself up. It's no wonder you've managed ~4700 posts in a little over a year.

White_Pointer

I posted my point right above.

[Zenweaponry]

I posted my point right above.

Could you please stop then? A wall of text is at least more entertaining to read. It also would help if you stop the tiny posts that eventually come together to form a full opinion. We get it, since GH:WT came out and dissapointed RB fans who bought it it's been bashed repeatedly and the same came from the other side of the fence when RB 2 came out and they were claiming that GH:WT would be better. It'll all die out soon enough. This happens in all forums where two rival communities collide. Of course, it's always funnier in the Halo forums.

[mercuryshadow09]

Sadly here's another one, in this one somebody mention's bashing a kid's head in with a guitar because he said RB suck's, my point proven again.

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109339

[kdogbillion]

Sadly here's another one, in this one somebody mention's bashing a kid's head in with a guitar because he said RB suck's, my point proven again.

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109339

Except you forgot to mention that there are a lot of posters also defending the game to some degree (but saying that RB is better), and then the discussion wqas turned into whether the clicking strum or non-clicking strum was preferred. You want to judge the community on a handful of posts? Sure, there are people who are biased on the forum, but you make a generalization only a troll would. That is very unfair...

As for your comment on your "clear opinion":

Originally Posted by mercuryshadow09
Yes, very old and tiresome, why I dont post much anymore.

An opinion not reasonably backed up.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mercuryshadow09
You'd think in this day and age where my PS3 and 360 sleep right next to each, and dont fight mind you, and my RB2 drum kit loves playing GHWT, I mean we're all human right? We all come from the same place, why cant we have both games and love both?

Your opinion is people don't have to not like the game. They don't, for valid reasons people don't like the game. I mentioned mine, and I read many people agree with me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mercuryshadow09
It get's old and help's to clutter the forum's, I hate wading through all the garbage.

Your problem with a fringe group of people. You just look at topic names, so clearly you haven't really looked through the topics and found the problem we have with some people. Like with the examples you provided, where you take a single person and blame an entirety.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mercuryshadow09
Yeah, I'm really not trying to have an argument about it, all I'm saying is the multiple "Why GH pwns RB" thread's and GH suck's day after day is getting old.

You're instigating. It wouldn't be if you had something concrete to provide for your argument.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mercuryshadow09
What's funny here is that newer people to the forum's see this and others don't? This used to be a nice place to come and have a conversation, lately it has been unpleasant here.

This might be true for the people who have the Wii version (this is debatable), but you provide almost nothing to prove this. There are a lot of topics, especially with the recent blog by a person who blames music games for destroying the industry, and it has spawned a lot of discussion topics. You are just drawn to place blame on a few topics that you don't like. A sort of biased search.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mercuryshadow09
there is a LOT more bashing here than there used to be. Is my point, and it make's me not want to come here anymore. This place is turning into the GH forum's.

Read above. And this is a weird statement. I don't know what you are selling...

Quote:
Originally Posted by mercuryshadow09
Ok, we all know RB is the better game, I guess I'm on useless crusade for peace and intelligence on a forum I used to love. I feel like I cant talk about the game's I love without getting flamed or something.

You have not provided anything as evidence to why it is so great, and you ignore when people post good reasons they prefer it. This is why people are telling you what they are.

[theantkid12]

THIS is the kind of bull I'm talking about. You bunch of pompous smug sons of *****es.
Really? I've got a bone to pick with you.

You are calling out the people who have played both games and prefer Rock Band 2 and calling them fanboys because they don't enjoy the game you enjoy? This is ridiculous just like your posts.

[HeyRiles]

There may not be too many, but GH fanboys are much worse, since the majority are 15 year olds. Just now, this one kid called me a fa***t before he claimed why GH was better, then later accused me of pms for explaining why Rock Band is better

[Mex]

It seems we have to like both or else we're horrible people or something.

I don't get it.

[hawkofva]

It seems we have to like both or else we're horrible people or something.

I don't get it.

Seems more like certain people who like both have a superiority complex. :rolleyes:

[citric_bullets]

While I do agree that we spend far too much time talking about which game is better when we should be talking about Rock Band (this is a Rock Band site), I also encounter a lot of die hard GH fans with little to nothing to back it up with. But ultimately, it doesn't matter. As long as GH never pushes RB out of existance, it doesn't matter. If people play GH they're still being affected by the music, which is really what it should be about.

[White_Pointer]

I posted my point right above.

This is *exactly* what I was referring to.

There was NO need to make an entirely separate post to post that one-line response. You could have just added it onto the end of your previous post, instead of double-posting.

Oh...and...


Yes, very old and tiresome, why I dont post much anymore.

You don't post much anymore? Mate, you've posted 36 times in this thread ALONE already (yes, I counted them all) with basically all of them single-line responses. I shudder to think how much you posted earlier if this is your idea of "not posting much".

White_Pointer

[voodoo618]

Ubr teh pwnt^^^

[Zenweaponry]

There may not be too many, but GH fanboys are much worse, since the majority are 15 year olds. Just now, this one kid called me a fa***t before he claimed why GH was better, then later accused me of pms for explaining why Rock Band is better

Hey! I'm 15 and I at least try to act mature online. I know you weren't singling anyone out, but I still took some small bit of offense. Not all us youngin's are immature.

[Ryuzaki]

@Thread Starter

Yeah, you all seriously do. You all bash guitar hero (and any mention of the game), the Guitar Hero forum, guitar hero fans, guitar hero fanboys, anybody who owns guitar hero, anybody who favors guitar hero over rock band, the gameboy guitar hero game, anybody who brings up guitar hero, anybody who asks everybody to stop bashing on guitar hero, and so on.

It's gotten extremely redundant.

[LostInTheHair]

Wow, at least most of the gh-hate threads here actually make sense...

From the GH forums:

"I saw a thread get locked because they spelled a word wrong."
- obviously making things up.

"yeah, harmonix has lost it. they were cool and cared about their fans back in the GH days. now they disgust me"
- completely opposite.

Turns out that one is actually true... :o


pl0x/haxx0rz

They are talking about the RB forums, right?

EDIT: Whoops, meant to post this on Aragha.