All-out War in Gaza Strip

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28404637/?GT1=43001


GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Israel obliterated symbols of Hamas power on the third day of what the defense minister described Monday as a "war to the bitter end," striking next to the Hamas premier's home, and devastating a security compound and a university building.

The three-day death toll rose to at least 315 by Monday morning, with some 1,400 wounded. The U.N. said at least 51 of the dead were civilians, and medics said eight children under the age of 17 were killed in two separate strikes overnight. Israel launched its campaign, the deadliest against Palestinians in decades, on Saturday in retaliation for rocket fire aimed at civilians in southern Israeli towns.

Since then, the number of Israeli troops on the Gaza border has doubled and the Cabinet approved the call-up of 6,500 reserve soldiers.

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[Firepenguin99]

Really, what can you expect? Don't mess with a militarized country and expect no retaliation.
But, if this continues, America will probably get involved. Then comes Iran, then, perhaps, the UK and Russia and before you know it, we've got WW III. Then again, we were thinking the same thing of the Georgia conflict during the summer, and nothing happened, so we just have to watch and hope.

[aray]

Really, what can you expect? Don't mess with a militarized country and expect no retaliation.
But, if this continues, America will probably get involved. Then comes Iran, then, perhaps, the UK and Russia and before you know it, we've got WW III. Then again, we were thinking the same thing of the Georgia conflict during the summer, and nothing happened, so we just have to watch and hope.

Hope for what ???

It seems as if you are Hoping for WW III

I live in a world that holds no value for Human Life
Where War and Corruption is the only thing being taught to our children.

What hope do we as Humans have left in this world ?

The only Hope I have is that I'll be gone from this life before I have to witness this wolrds destructive end.

:cool:

[hawkofva]

Hope for what ???

It seems as if you are Hoping for WW III

I live in a world that holds not value for Human Life and War and Corruption is the only thing being taught to our children.

What hope do we as Humans have left in this world ?

The only Hope I have is that I'll be gone from this life before I have to witness this wolrds destructive end.

:cool:

If you'd played EndWar, you'd know that World War 3 is going to be a blast. (hahaha, pun) :rolleyes:

[bood-boy]

i had a dream last night that there was this new form of aircraft, and all these ppl got in it, and like the aircraft looked like a plane but different, and it took off, then it went like VVVVPPPPHHHHHSSTTT!!!!! and blasted off SO fast into the clouds, and everyone on the ground went WOAH! out of amazement, i think it was the aircrafts debut. but anyways, a secod or two later.. BLAMMO!!!! it exploded, and shook everything, but it was so far, away, but then, you could see ppl coming in on parachute. like GI Joe style parachutes, like a upside down U shaped parachute, and ppl soared in fro the aircrat like they escaped unharmed. the someone in the background said 'that thing exploded over Japan!!!'.. thats all i remember.

[hawkofva]

i had a dream last night that there was this new form of aircraft, and all these ppl got in it, and like the aircraft looked like a plane but different, and it took off, then it went like VVVVPPPPHHHHHSSTTT!!!!! and blasted off SO fast into the clouds, and everyone on the ground went WOAH! out of amazement, i think it was the aircrafts debut. but anyways, a secod or two later.. BLAMMO!!!! it exploded, and shook everything, but it was so far, away, but then, you could see ppl coming in on parachute. like GI Joe style parachutes, like a upside down U shaped parachute, and ppl soared in fro the aircrat like they escaped unharmed. the someone in the background said 'that thing exploded over Japan!!!'.. thats all i remember.

I'll take whatever he's having.

[bood-boy]

I'll take whatever he's having.

it was a dream dude i had nothing but naturally occuring dream enducing chemicals on my mind.

[hawkofva]

it was a dream dude i had nothing but naturally occuring dream enducing chemicals on my mind.

...

I seriously just considered eating your brain.

I should go to sleep now. :eek:

[Soja]

You reap what you sow.

Israel gave them the goddamn Gaza Strip and they're still not happy with it. If Hamas is going to have the balls to attack Israel, they should at least be man enough not to hide among innocent civilians knowing full well that Israel is going to retaliate.

Then again, that's their plan, isn't it? Cause Israel to have no choice but to bomb targets in a city where collateral damage will be high so that they can blame it all on and demonize the Jews, further fanning the flames of hate towards them, right?

[voodoo618]

This leads to nuclear war ending the world in 2012!!!

[thenavigator]

on December 21st....

[Apples]

The suffering and loss of life is sad for all parties concerned.

After decades of violence, bitterness, and animosity on both sides, one has to wonder if there's just too much bad blood built up to ever coexist peacefully.

[theantkid12]

I just really hope we don't get involved in this whole thing, but I know we will anyway, so what is there to hope! Nothing! All hope is lost!!!

[ZOMG_A_RANCOR]

Hopefully the world doesnt end it 2012. If it does, its supposed to be on 12/21. Thats my birthday. That would suck. The pseudo-irony is that back in 8th grade, when i was stupid as hell, i made an AIM screen name that was IWantToDieOn1221.

I screwed myself.

In other news, if it aint american, i dont care.

[thenavigator]

My opinion is propably uninformed since I don't live over there, but I think the Palestinians shouldn't have elected Hamas as their official government. I know Hamas did alot of good building schools (Madrases) and hospitals in the Palestinian areas but at the end of the day they are commited to the destruction of Israel by all means necessary. At this point I would hope that the Palestinians would figure out that the country of Israel isn't going anywhere so electing "destroy Israel" officilas won't do them alot of good.

[Ultimatum]

Hope for what ???

It seems as if you are Hoping for WW III

I live in a world that holds no value for Human Life
Where War and Corruption is the only thing being taught to our children.

What hope do we as Humans have left in this world ?

The only Hope I have is that I'll be gone from this life before I have to witness this wolrds destructive end.

:cool:

We honestly can't do anything since we're so far down in our crap in Iraq in the moment.

Getting involved in this would be as bad or worse than Iraq, it's almost the exact same situation, except now we wouldn't have a dictator as our scapegoat for going in. Hundreds of years of religious warfare is something the US should never get involved in again.

[Fausttt]

We honestly can't do anything since we're so far down in our crap in Iraq in the moment.

Getting involved in this would be as bad or worse than Iraq, it's almost the exact same situation, except now we wouldn't have a dictator as our scapegoat for going in. Hundreds of years of religious warfare is something the US should never get involved in again.

I have a Jewish wife and agree with an Israeli state, however, i think Israel has gone too far. They complain about 80 rockets yet bombard with thousands of shells. They come in with tanks vs civilians with rocks. I understand Hamas are generally bad people, and do tend to hide among civilians, but air striking civilian targets just in case is not the answer. the numbers are nearly 6:1 in deaths of Palestinians vs Israelis. The vast majority of the Palestinian deaths are civilian. It is absolutely NOT right for Hamas to launch rockets into Israel, but some of it is desperate civilians that feel like they have no other option but to fight back. Israel has cut off Gaza from electricity, fuel, food, and medicine. When someone bombed the wall between Gaza and Egypt in January, literally 1.5 million people fled to Egypt. the bulk of which just wanted Medical care and food.

If I was put in that situation, i would be hard pressed to say i wouldn't fight also. I completely disagree with Hamas tactics, but i even more strongly disagree with Israeli tactics.

The fact of the matter is, the land was under British rule once upon a time and the Zionist movement started immigrating into Palestine. It was fine, similar to Mexicans coming into border areas of US. Some didn't agree with it, but at least it was peaceful. It wasn't until WWII and the rise of the Nazis when the MASSES of Israelis flooded over and conflict started. Imagine if Mexico had a war and millions of Mexicans flooded over here overnight and demanded that Texas, California, and Nevada become their own country. We would be pissed. As was Palestine.

the UN stepped in and decided to make a 2 state system. however under Zionist pressure they awarded 55% of the land to Israel even though they comprised only 30% of the population and owned only 7% of the land. War broke out and both side did horrible things. in the end, Israel ended up with 78% of the land. The did another surprise attack and captured Gaza and the west bank. the UN wouldn't allow them to count it as part of Israel because they acquired it by war so they became "Occupied territories". Israel even attacked a US navy ship but we swept it under the rug in order not to "embarrass an ally"

So they did not "give" them Gaza, they still occupy and control everything in Gaza. They still take property from Christians and Muslims alike and refuse to allow to return to their homes they own in the new Israeli state. I also do not think they would have boded nearly as well without US assistance. Currently we provide them with nearly $5million a day.

that was a VERY brief rundown on events.

The only reason i support an Israeli state is because at this point it would be the most peaceful solution. Israel should have taken the extremely lop-sided deal the UN banged out originally. I cannot condone the actions of either party in this situation. Whether we like it or not, Hamas WAS the democratically elected party of Palestine and as such we should have worked with them to end this conflict diplomatically. I think the US is the ONLY country that still supports Israel's actions in the current conflict, most of the UN and EU having heavily criticized their tactics as well.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

The suffering and loss of life is sad for all parties concerned.

After decades of violence, bitterness, and animosity on both sides, one has to wonder if there's just too much bad blood built up to ever coexist peacefully.

I don't think that could ever happen. There has been war and death in that region for ages and I don't see peace ruling the land any time soon.

[Ultimatum]

I don't think that could ever happen. There has been war and death in that region for ages and I don't see peace ruling the land any time soon.

As long as humans exist, there will be war.

[thenavigator]

the UN stepped in and decided to make a 2 state system. however under Zionist pressure they awarded 55% of the land to Israel even though they comprised only 30% of the population and owned only 7% of the land. War broke out and both side did horrible things. in the end, Israel ended up with 78% of the land

They only ended up with this much land after several Arab nations decided to "wipe them off the face of the Earth" and got their asses handed to them. Hell, that's when they picked up Gaza and the West Bank too. When they tried to hand 'em back, those places became staging grounds for rocket attacks. What are they supposed to do? Act like that's cool? Give the Palestinians more land so that they can launch more rockets from even closer? And then the Palestinians elect the militant Hamas group as their leaders? What the hell? I'm surprised their haven't been more Israeli attacks.

[thenavigator]

And the Zionism thing is B.S. concoted by a Russian fiction author. Straight up.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

As long as humans exist, there will be war.

In that region, I mean. There's just too much built-up hostility for there to ever be peace.

[Soja]

I think Israel is showing great restraint by not carpet bombing Gaza outright.

[Ultimatum]

In that region, I mean. There's just too much built-up hostility for there to ever be peace.

Religious quarrels are usually the sort that take the longest to resolve themselves.

[Ultimatum]

I think Israel is showing great restraint by not carpet bombing Gaza outright.

Or they don't want to take US-esque direction and level innocent villages along with high-priority targets.

[Soja]

Yeah. Those villages deserved it. Why did we bomb them? Because they were there.

America sucks and everything we do is wrong and can't possibly be justified.

[Samuel346]

Hope for what ???

It seems as if you are Hoping for WW III

I live in a world that holds no value for Human Life
Where War and Corruption is the only thing being taught to our children.

What hope do we as Humans have left in this world ?

The only Hope I have is that I'll be gone from this life before I have to witness this wolrds destructive end.

:cool:

No offence but you think we value life in this country?

LOLS.

[m00p]

No offence but you think we value life in this country?

LOLS.

At least we're free. Most countries are either ruled by a dictator or are in constant struggle against terrorism. Most of Europe is doing quite fine though.


Yeah. Those villages deserved it. Why did we bomb them? Because they were there.

America sucks and everything we do is wrong and can't possibly be justified.

Read Above Post.

[Ultimatum]

Yeah. Those villages deserved it. Why did we bomb them? Because they were there.

America sucks and everything we do is wrong and can't possibly be justified.

Yeah, especially when quite a few bombs missed their targets due to poor intelligence :rolleyes:

[Samuel346]

At least we're free. Most countries are either ruled by a dictator or are in constant struggle against terrorism. Most of Europe is doing quite fine though.


I guess that really depends on your definition of free.

[Fausttt]

and the responses above are WHY the entire world (not just the muslim world) hates us. Again, i pose the question. what if Mexicans immigrated in mass (say 10 times what they do already) and demanded all of the southwest US as their own state? would WE sit by and do nothing about it?

[Ultimatum]

Why Mexicans? Why not Canadians?

[Goatbuster]

Why Mexicans? Why not Canadians?

Either way, it wouldn't make much difference.

[King_Nuthin]

Because nobody would notice or care if it were Canadians. They look like us and speak the same language.

I think both sides are completely unreasonable in the Middle East, but the Palestinians have a legitimate grievance. Their land was seized while the world smiled approvingly.

[Hungryfreak]

Us Jews have had enough suffering to deal with and, in the first place, it was our land that was snatched away and given to the Arabs by the Romans, we have a legitimate reason to want it back.

On a personal level, though, I could care less. As long as I survive my last couple weeks in Israel, I have no complaints, haha.

[thenavigator]

And the Palestinians need to figure out a better way to air their grievances than suicide bombings and rockets. At this point, Israel can't concede to anything or it would just invite more of the same - "the suicide bombings and rockets worked! They gave us part of the land because of them! Double the amount!"

[Snowman-1771]

Well it came from MSNBC so it is a piece of worthless crap.

[Der_Lex]

On a personal level, though, I could care less.

I knew when I bookmarked it that I would soon have a chance to use this (http://data.tumblr.com/17856225_400.jpg)...
Although it does make me wonder if it's culturally insensitive to be a grammar Nazi in a thread involving the Jewish people. ;)

Please do not take offense at what some might perceive as inappropriately lighthearted comments, but for me humor has always been one of my main ways to deal with an extremely depressing situation, especially since this is a conflict that doesn't seem to have any clear-cut solution (well that and I've been hitting the cava at tonight's New Year's Eve party).

I just hope that the violence will at least diminish sometime soon, and that the unnecessary loss of life on either side will be minimized (because an end to it seems too much to hope for).

I also selfishly hope that my Israeli ex, with whom I parted with on very good terms, is all right. I haven't heard from her in a while, and you can't help but worry if she wasn't in the wrong place at the wrong time at some point.

[Hungryfreak]

Don't sweat it. I'm a grammar nazi, too. Does that make me self-hating? Haha.

[Elegy]

I knew when I bookmarked it that I would soon have a chance to use this (http://data.tumblr.com/17856225_400.jpg)...
Although it does make me wonder if it's culturally insensitive to be a grammar Nazi in a thread involving the Jewish people. ;)

Please do not take offense at what some might perceive as inappropriately lighthearted comments, but for me humor has always been one of my main ways to deal with an extremely depressing situation, especially since this is a conflict that doesn't seem to have any clear-cut solution (well that and I've been hitting the cava at tonight's New Year's Eve party).

I just hope that the violence will at least diminish sometime soon, and that the unnecessary loss of life on either side will be minimized (because an end to it seems too much to hope for).

I also selfishly hope that my Israeli ex, with whom I parted with on very good terms, is all right. I haven't heard from her in a while, and you can't help but worry if she wasn't in the wrong place at the wrong time at some point.

speaking of Nazis....my friend goes on a debate website, and he set up a debate supporting Israel's actions.

A couple of commenters posted things like:

"Oh here we go again, the emergence of more neo-nazis"

I couldn't help but laugh at the irony they were suggesting