Lost Discussion Thread

[Fennz]

Season Five starts a week from tonight. If you want your memory refreshed from last season's finale, watch it again tonight on ABC from 8-11.

[HiAperture]

I absolutely can't wait. I'm planning a huge get together with my friends who watch the show at college to watch the premier.

[RockBandRocker]

I can't wait!

This is going to be good.


Does anybody think it is possible that Jin is alive?

[Fennz]

I can't wait!

This is going to be good.


Does anybody think it is possible that Jin is alive?

I know. Want me to spoil it for you?

[sweet-t310]

This is going to be a weak discussion thread...mainly because all I have to say about Lost starting in a week is....



WHEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
[happy dance, followed by giddiness-induced twitching, followed by short blackout]

....ahem...Yeah, I guess it's an ok show....

[RockBandRocker]

I know. Want me to spoil it for you?

No. Let me find out on my own time.


If I'm proven right, I'll feel a sense of gratification.

[Stewie]

It's a good show except their is always a sh** load of questions. And everytime we get a question answered we get more questions. And a lot of time they don't even answer questions. I'll watch the new season anyway though.

[hmxhenry]

I am peeing my pants in anticipation.

[RockBandRocker]

It's a good show except their is always a sh** load of questions. And everytime we get a question answered we get more questions. And a lot of time they don't even answer questions. I'll watch the new season anyway though.

I think that's the thing I like about the show.

It requires that "you" (as the viewer) think and piece information together.

[RockBandRocker]

I am peeing my pants in anticipation.

We have Henry on our side!


Any chance of getting some DriveShaft DLC next week?

[Fennz]

We have Henry on our side!


Any chance of getting some DriveShaft DLC next week?

I'll literally laugh my ass off if they do that.

[Stewie]

I'll literally laugh my ass off if they do that.

That would be awesome. We should get a fake bands pack!

Stonehenge-Spinal Tap
You All Everybody-DriveShaft
Killer Tofu-The Beets

[RockBandRocker]

I'll literally laugh my ass off if they do that.

"You all everybody!"

[RockBandRocker]

That would be awesome. We should get a fake bands pack!

Stonehenge-Spinal Tap
You All Everybody-DriveShaft
Killer Tofu-The Beets

Fixed that!

[Stewie]

Fixed that!

check my post I fixed it too ;)

[Fennz]

Eeeeek!
The band[Driveshaft] is widely considered to be heavily based on Oasis (particularly their perception and level of success in the US), with 'You All Everybody' similar in chord structure and instrumentation to 'Rock 'n' Roll Star', and DriveShaft's singer, Liam, sharing his name with Oasis's lead singer Liam Gallagher not to mention the fact that Charlie and Liam are brothers just like Liam Gallagher and Noel Gallagher . [1][2]Both bands are also from Manchester. Charlie is also heard singing Oasis's song 'Wonderwall' in flashbacks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuQba4inleQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfNNpOhWR-c

[RockBandRocker]

Eeeeek!
The band[Driveshaft] is widely considered to be heavily based on Oasis (particularly their perception and level of success in the US), with 'You All Everybody' similar in chord structure and instrumentation to 'Rock 'n' Roll Star', and DriveShaft's singer, Liam, sharing his name with Oasis's lead singer Liam Gallagher not to mention the fact that Charlie and Liam are brothers just like Liam Gallagher and Noel Gallagher . [1][2]Both bands are also from Manchester. Charlie is also heard singing Oasis's song 'Wonderwall' in flashbacks.



You didn't know that?

I think on one of the DVDs (I forget which season) there is a special feature that talks about how the writers used Oasis as a real world example for DriveShaft.

[Fennz]

Yeah. I knew this for a while, but I was just sharing this for people who didn't know.

[sa_nick]

I finally got around to port forwarding my Torrent client in preparation for Lost next week. I have the best internet connection outta all my friends so it's my task to download it ASAP.

Australia's time zone is way ahead of the US so Lost usually gets torrented around 4pm my time, I just need to download the 2.4GB 720p 5.1 double episode in 4 hours, then remux it to a vob file so it'll play on PS3 and we're set to go!

(it'd be so much easier if the show just aired in Australia on the same day)

[RockBandRocker]

Yeah. I knew this for a while, but I was just sharing this for people who didn't know.

Got it.

Actually, I once took part in a couple DriveShaft request threads in Ultimate Setlist.


Go there and do a search using the terms "drive", "shaft", "Charlie" and "Pace".

[Der_Lex]

I am peeing my pants in anticipation.

Well said, brother!

I'll be grabbing it off the net as well, of course, since it'll be a while before we get it on this side of the big pond. I really, really enjoyed season 4, so it's definitely at the top of my download list (along with the upcoming shows Dollhouse and Kings).

[svartikins]

I know. Want me to spoil it for you?

I think I know too. Aren't spoilers fun? :D

That being said, after practically having the season three and season four finales spoiled for me, I'm trying to hold off on spoilers for a little bit.

I feel ashamed to say I forgot it was a week from today. But I'm certainly excited. Let's hope Season Five will be as good as Season Four. Cause damn, Season Four was good.

[DarthAthema]

I am deeply, scarily addicted to Lost. The breaks are long, but being reunited every year is so sweet. I've read reviews of the first two episodes, and I anticipate nothing short of a mind explosion.

And yes to Driveshaft DLC.
You all everybody
You all everybody
Acting all like stupid people wearing expensive clothes.

[Der_Lex]

If they ever make a TV show related DLC 6-pack, it should contain the Driveshaft song, one song from the musical episode of Buffy, one from Dr Horrible, 'The man they call Jayne' from Firefly, the Power Rangers theme song and either The Touch or Dare to Be Stupid from Transformers.

[RockBandRocker]

I feel ashamed to say I forgot it was a week from today. But I'm certainly excited. Let's hope Season Five will be as good as Season Four. Cause damn, Season Four was good.

You really thought it was good?

I'm watching the Season 4 finale now, and it reminded me that (story wise) it was a pretty weak season. The only thing I think I felt "complete" about was the Desmond-Penny story arc, everything else just left me asking "WTF?". I really hope that they manage to tie up some of the loose ends within the first couple episodes of Season 5.

[toymachineSH]

Lost and Weak should never be put in the same sentence

[Banky71]

I can't wait. I keep wondering if Walt and Desmond are included in the people who have to go back to the island. I also keep wondering if Hurley is ever going to pay Walt the money he owes him.

[mimic]

I can't wait. After the HORRIBLE last season I'm hoping the show gets back to being awesome. I hated the flash forwards.

[Flawless]

Erm, last season was amazing.

The only "weak" season so far was season 2.

[mimic]

Erm, last season was amazing.

The only "weak" season so far was season 2.

How can a season be weak when they introduce an annoying character and then have a character kill her and another somewhat annoying character. That whole thing was amazing. And finally getting to see the "utters".

[culturedog]

Can't believe all the disdain for Season 4 - it was tight, focused and moved like a juggernaut. Plus, it had a frozen donkey wheel!

I'll be perfectly happy if Season 5 is as 'weak' as the last!

[ultimatespidey81]

I can't wait!

This is going to be good.


Does anybody think it is possible that Jin is alive?

wasn't this already revealed last season or did i misinterpret the episode when sun had her baby??

[Der_Lex]

wasn't this already revealed last season or did i misinterpret the episode when sun had her baby??

You thoroughly misinterpreted that. The Jin bits in that were flashbacks, not flashforwards.

Doesn't mean Jin can't be alive, just that that episode isn't proof for it.


I hope we'll see more Daniel and Juliet in the next season. Daniel's by far my favorite of the new characters, and Juliet was a bit underused last season.

[toymachineSH]

aww are the flash forwards to confusing for you? lrn2slaughterhouse5

[Fennz]

You thoroughly misinterpreted that. The Jin bits in that were flashbacks, not flashforwards.

Doesn't mean Jin can't be alive, just that that episode isn't proof for it.


I hope we'll see more Daniel and Juliet in the next season. Daniel's by far my favorite of the new characters, and Juliet was a bit underused last season.

I read that Daniel will play an important role in season 5.

BTW, is there a way to have spoiler tags on here? I want to say something, but I'm afraid it'll be too spoilerish.

[TheClashTheClashTheClash]

I can't wait till next Weds. Lost is by far my favorite show. Is the premiere two hours?

[RockBandRocker]

Can't believe all the disdain for Season 4 - it was tight, focused and moved like a juggernaut. Plus, it had a frozen donkey wheel!

I'll be perfectly happy if Season 5 is as 'weak' as the last!

It's not "disdain" that I feel, it's disappointment.

The Writer's Strike really took it's toll on "LOST" (and many other great drama series).

The last few episodes of the season felt rushed, and didn't close ANY doors (unlike the finales for the first 3 seasons).



Also, that wheel was used by the Polar Bears (that explains how Charlotte found the skeleton with the DHARMA tag in Tunisia).

[kazlam]

last week i finished a month & a half long marathon run of watching all 4 seasons. loved the flash forwards. though i think it will take place in present day now, trying to get the 6 (7) back to the island with flashbacks to what happened when they left.

[Mex]

I am peeing my pants in anticipation.

I'm in the same boat as Henry.

Man this boat is starting to stink.

[jeccaneko]

If they ever make a TV show related DLC 6-pack, it should contain the Driveshaft song, one song from the musical episode of Buffy, one from Dr Horrible, 'The man they call Jayne' from Firefly, the Power Rangers theme song and either The Touch or Dare to Be Stupid from Transformers.

You had me until Transformers. The only Transformers song I know is the theme from the old 80's cartoon. More than meets the eye!

I don't know if I feel like rewatching all 4 seasons and I feel like I forget so much. I know they're going to show a recap before the new stuff on TV next week. I hope they post the recap online. I watched season 1 on DVD, but since then I have been watching it all on ABC.com the day after it airs on TV (first day you can watch it online).


I can't wait till next Weds. Lost is by far my favorite show. Is the premiere two hours?

It's supposed to be 3 hours. First hour is recap, next 2 hours is new stuff.

[DarthAthema]

I read that Daniel will play an important role in season 5.

BTW, is there a way to have spoiler tags on here? I want to say something, but I'm afraid it'll be too spoilerish.

Yeah, but Christian Shepherd has been playing an important role for a while now, and he's been dead since the pilot.

And Season 4 was amazing. I don't know what some of you were smoking, but setting the end date made all the difference. The show is focused now on coming to a conclusion, not on doing things on a season-to-season basis.

Erm, last season was amazing.

The only "weak" season so far was season 2.

Totally disagree. Season 2 really did a lot of important set-up for where we are now. Plus, there was significant character development, and a mysteriously ominous countdown clock that may or may not destroy the universe. Season 3 was the closest we came to a "weak" season, though with Lost a weak season is still better than anything else on TV. I felt like Season 3 sort of meandered a little because they still hadn't set the end date and weren't sure if they were going to have to drag the show out longer than they thought.

[RockBandRocker]

And Season 4 was amazing. I don't know what some of you were smoking, but setting the end date made all the difference. The show is focused now on coming to a conclusion, not on doing things on a season-to-season basis.



Yeah, setting the end date is good in some respects, but it is bad when it comes to the story.

The first half of Season 4 was good, but the second half (starting with "The Shape Of Things To Come") was SEVERELY rushed. To me, it felt like they had to sacrifice story elements in order to "get done". The only resolution I felt by the end of Season 4 was Desmond & Penny. But even then, I still have my doubts.

[Bub]

It's about time! I've been waiting for Season 5 forever now. I've been a fan since the show began and I can't wait. I want to see how Locke died and where the island went.

[Fennz]

Yeah, setting the end date is good in some respects, but it is bad when it comes to the story.

The first half of Season 4 was good, but the second half (starting with "The Shape Of Things To Come") was SEVERELY rushed. To me, it felt like they had to sacrifice story elements in order to "get done". The only resolution I felt by the end of Season 4 was Desmond & Penny. But even then, I still have my doubts.

Blame the writers strike.

I personally liked the second half of season 4 better than the first. Even though it was rushed, I thought was fast paced story telling at its best. And I don't think is was "severely" rushed. the season was only cut by 2 episodes.

[Fennz]

Yeah, but Christian Shepherd has been playing an important role for a while now, and he's been dead since the pilot.

And Season 4 was amazing. I don't know what some of you were smoking, but setting the end date made all the difference. The show is focused now on coming to a conclusion, not on doing things on a season-to-season basis.


Totally disagree. Season 2 really did a lot of important set-up for where we are now. Plus, there was significant character development, and a mysteriously ominous countdown clock that may or may not destroy the universe. Season 3 was the closest we came to a "weak" season, though with Lost a weak season is still better than anything else on TV. I felt like Season 3 sort of meandered a little because they still hadn't set the end date and weren't sure if they were going to have to drag the show out longer than they thought.

True, but Daniel's knowledge in science will become useful this season hopefully explaining some of the island's properties. And if you read the synopsis for the third episode of season five, you'll know what I'm talking about.

I felt season 2 was good. Especially the first couple episodes and last couple episodes, but in middle episodes were pretty "filler."

I hated the first half of season three with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer being captive. Then when they go and rescue Jack in the middle of the season brought the show back. And the finale's ending was probably the biggest shocker in the show's history or even TV history.

[Renrock]

Checking in late , but you can count me in to this topic when it starts!

[svartikins]

Yeah, setting the end date is good in some respects, but it is bad when it comes to the story.

The first half of Season 4 was good, but the second half (starting with "The Shape Of Things To Come") was SEVERELY rushed. To me, it felt like they had to sacrifice story elements in order to "get done". The only resolution I felt by the end of Season 4 was Desmond & Penny. But even then, I still have my doubts.

The only rushed part (in a funny way) of TSoTtC) was the "Get to the chopper" moment with Sawyer.

"GET INSIDE!"

*gunfire*

*dies*

*repeat four times*

:D

[RockBandRocker]

Blame the writers strike.

I personally liked the second half of season 4 better than the first. Even though it was rushed, I thought was fast paced story telling at its best. And I don't think is was "severely" rushed. the season was only cut by 2 episodes.

I do blame the writer's strike.

I guess, the thing I didn't like about the last part of last season was that it didn't give a "resolution" to the season. The other three seasons at least closed a few doors before opening new ones. At the end of season 4, there are more open doors than closed ones.


I guess the wait has just been killing me, and the time between finale & premiere has just given me to much time to reflect and look back.

[bmcorrier]

There are still so many unanswered questions!!

What was the giant big black smoke monster?
What was with the giant four-toed ancient foot from a statue?
Where the hell is the island?

[RockBandRocker]

There are still so many unanswered questions!!

What was the giant big black smoke monster?
What was with the giant four-toed ancient foot from a statue?
Where the hell is the island?

What happened to the people that stayed on the island?
What happened to the survivors on the freighter?
What happened to Daniel & his group of people?
What is the favor Kate did for Sawyer?
Is Claire dead?
Is Jin still alive?

[billman3000]

best show ever!!!!

[Fennz]

I do blame the writer's strike.

I guess, the thing I didn't like about the last part of last season was that it didn't give a "resolution" to the season. The other three seasons at least closed a few doors before opening new ones. At the end of season 4, there are more open doors than closed ones.


I guess the wait has just been killing me, and the time between finale & premiere has just given me to much time to reflect and look back.

Resolution? 8 people get off the island.

[RockBandRocker]

Resolution? 8 people get off the island.

But it allows for more questions:

How did Locke get off the island?
Do Walt & Desmond have to go back?

[j_dub_rules]

I just hope we get more answers this year. The shows over next year, and I don't want to have even more questions going into the last yeat.

Can anyone remember that last time the numbers were mentioned?

[Bub]

That would be awesome. We should get a fake bands pack!

Stonehenge-Spinal Tap
You All Everybody-DriveShaft
Killer Tofu-The Beets

Awesome but replace Stonehenge with Sex Farm.

[Fennz]

But it allows for more questions:

How did Locke get off the island?
Do Walt & Desmond have to go back?

Season Five my friend.

[Fennz]

I just hope we get more answers this year. The shows over next year, and I don't want to have even more questions going into the last yeat.

Can anyone remember that last time the numbers were mentioned?

I believe in the finale (There's No Place Like Home Part 1) where Hurley gets the car his dad fixed up for him. It was all over the dashboard with the miles driven ticker. Then he runs off.
Watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrdIBO0_uJI

[j_dub_rules]

I believe in the finale (There's No Place Like Home Part 1) where Hurley gets the car his dad fixed up for him. It was all over the dashboard with the miles driven ticker. Then he runs off.
Watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrdIBO0_uJI

Ahh I forgot that one. I hope we see some more Cheech in the future, maybe Chong can stop by the confirm this is the show that makes the least amount of sense ever.

[RockBandRocker]

Season Five my friend.

I know, this wait has been hard!!

[RockBandRocker]

Ahh I forgot that one. I hope we see some more Cheech in the future, maybe Chong can stop by the confirm this is the show that makes the least amount of sense ever.

Chong guest stars as...

The Deus Ex Machina!

[Fennz]

Ahh I forgot that one. I hope we see some more Cheech in the future, maybe Chong can stop by the confirm this is the show that makes the least amount of sense ever.

He's credited as a guest star in the season premire.

[Fennz]

Tomorrow!!

[mimic]

There are still so many unanswered questions!!

What was the giant big black smoke monster?
What was with the giant four-toed ancient foot from a statue?
Where the hell is the island?

I read somewhere that we will never know what that statue was. The writers were going somewhere with it and it was scrapped. Lame.

[Fennz]

I read somewhere that we will never know what that statue was. The writers were going somewhere with it and it was scrapped. Lame.

I was just reading spoiler and the writers said we WILL see the statue again.

[TheClashTheClashTheClash]

Tomorrow!!

I know! I can't freakin wait.

[Daesania]

OH MY GOD I LOVE LOST!!

I'm so excited! (I just saw this thread).

I watched the recap, having been a year since i seen it, i needed a refresher.

[Oscar-Rio]

oh baby, just over 24 hours to go. Well and a bit more, as i never watch lost on TV. I always download it overnight and then just watch it on my myth box. Way better picture quality than the standard ABC channel.

[Eman311]

I am peeing my pants in anticipation.

I am basically doing this as well, among other things.

goddamn i cannot wait.

[SoapBoxHero]

TONIIIIIIIIIGHT!

I'm so stoked for this. I've been reading up on lost theories and such on fansites, I still have no idea what's going on.

[Fennz]

oh baby, just over 24 hours to go. Well and a bit more, as i never watch lost on TV. I always download it overnight and then just watch it on my myth box. Way better picture quality than the standard ABC channel.

HDTV + HD Cable + Lost = Win!

[Stewie]

Lost is awesomeeeeeeeeeee!

[rockfresh126]

Can't wait..

And for everyone wondering on Walt/Desmond coming back to the island, why is everyone forgetting Lapidus? Other than Farrady, best new character of last year.

Please let it be good as last season. Best season since season 1, and the Constant might have been the best episode in the history of the series

[LibertineStripes]

Vincent is the key. Hail Vincent!

[billman3000]

good lost news

http://www.comcast.net/tv/seenontv/20448/lostintime/

[Oscar-Rio]

It's starting right now.

[RockBandRocker]

PLEASE DO NOT SPOIL IT!!

I've been waiting for tonight, and I don't want anything ruined.

[sweet-t310]

2 words about last night's episode:

Uh-MAZING!

I don't know if I've been as entertained by 2 hours of Lost since the first 2 episodes of Season 1.

(And yes, Daniel Faraday is now my 2nd favorite Lost character after about 10 episodes)

[jeccaneko]

2 words about last night's episode:

Uh-MAZING!

I don't know if I've been as entertained by 2 hours of Lost since the first 2 episodes of Season 1.

Good to hear. Now that the episodes are online I will be watching them tonight... or this weekend... whenever I first get the chance. Lost must be a guilty pleasure for me because even though I haven't enjoyed it as much since season 1, I still watch it anyway.

[Renrock]

PLEASE DO NOT SPOIL IT!!

I've been waiting for tonight, and I don't want anything ruined.

I'm confused.

While I dare not intentionally want to spoil it for anyone , why would you knowingly come into a LOST season 5 discussion thread , after it has aired , if you don't want anything spoiled ?

I came into this topic to talk about the last nights episode. That's ok right ?

[hmxhenry]

I am consistently blown away by how well Lost delivers on big episodes like premieres and season finales, despite my absurdly high hopes. My expectations have been met and exceeded.

We should try to keep spoilers to a minimum in the interest of those in different time zones, or those waiting for the episodes to stream on abc.com the day after. Those waiting for the dvd can read at their own peril.

Also, it is once again time for Lostpedia (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) to once again become my most frequented bookmark. Check it out. It is a total time sinkhole.

[kazlam]

Also, it is once again time for Lostpedia (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) to once again become my most frequented bookmark. Check it out. It is a total time sinkhole.

ive forgotten to eat several meals because of that site.

[sweet-t310]

I actually gave 3 standing ovations to last night's dual episodes (I'll keep spoilers to a minimum)...

1) When Hurley got pulled over
2) When John walked into a field and heard a plane (I totally saw it coming, but it was still fantastic!!)
3) When Desmond woke up

There were plenty of other moments (Faraday explaining where the camp went) that had me just giddy, but those 3 I actually applauded in my living room.

[culturedog]

I actually gave 3 standing ovations to last night's dual episodes (I'll keep spoilers to a minimum)...

1) When Hurley got pulled over
2) When John walked into a field and heard a plane (I totally saw it coming, but it was still fantastic!!)
3) When Desmond woke up

There were plenty of other moments (Faraday explaining where the camp went) that had me just giddy, but those 3 I actually applauded in my living room.

Yeah, the 'gotcha' bits all delivered solidly! From a pure action standpoint I also loved Sayid's "ninja" moves and the ultimate death by dishwasher moment!

Agree that Faraday was awesome, and as I'm a sucker for all things time travel I love where they're going with the 'skipping record' and the fact that they're not allowing multiple time threads.

Last night was the perfect way to break in my new SXRD projector! Can't wait for next Wednesday!

[RockBandRocker]

Why do I have the feeling that those who are "stuck in time", are the whispers that they were hearing in Seasons 1 - 4.

[TheClashTheClashTheClash]

How does everyone feel about Hurley's decision at the end?

I wish he didn't do it but then again Sayid told him not to listen to Ben.

And thats a good idea about the whispers ^

[sweet-t310]

How does everyone feel about Hurley's decision at the end?

I wish he didn't do it but then again Sayid told him not to listen to Ben.

And thats a good idea about the whispers ^

Even though Faraday is skyrocketing in my "favorite characters" list, Hurley is and always will be my favorite for moments like the ending last night. He does what he feels is right, and in that situation, he did what he felt was best at the time. He let everyone convince him to lie about getting off the island and he felt guilty for it ever since, so in the closing moments last night, he didn't let Ben convince him to do anything and just stuck to his guns. Plus Hurley uttered the line "Dude, you got some Arnst on you" and for that, he will always be my favorite! :D

I also loved Lindelof's description of Hurley in the "Destiny Calls" review thing before the premiere calling Hurley the "heart and soul" of the island. I always felt the same way.

[Stewie]

Great season so far. Desmond and Charlie are my all time favorite characters.

[billman3000]

hey guys i have a couple questions (spoilers! dont continue if u havnt seen the season premiere!) Whos moving in time? the people or the island cuz if it was the people wouldnt the others be with lock during the first flash? and was that old lady talking to ben in the end from a previous episode cuz the music made it sound like that.

[rockfresh126]

Best part of the 2 part premier....Hurley doing what each and everyone one of us does. Trying to go over the plot of Lost with our friends, and having it sound rediculous.

Farrady FTW

Seriously, my only complaint may be that there's almost no one left on the island i care about, and at some point Locke will be off. I mean...are Locke and Sawyer (well Rose too) the only members of the original cast left there? Never been a big Juliet fan, and Miles and the other freighter chick (can never remember her name) haven't been all that developed into anything interesting. Thank God Farrady is awesome.

Ok i lied....my other complaint is not nearly enough Desmond.

PS. Bring back Lapidus

[Fennz]

hey guys i have a couple questions (spoilers! dont continue if u havnt seen the season premiere!) Whos moving in time? the people or the island cuz if it was the people wouldnt the others be with lock during the first flash? and was that old lady talking to ben in the end from a previous episode cuz the music made it sound like that.


Faraday said, the island or they are. We still don't know. I do think evidence is pointing to them

The old lady (Ms Hawking) did appear in a previous episode called "Flashes Before Your Eyes" back in Season Three. She told him that he is supposed to push the button and gave the thing about course correction about death.

BTW, the season premire was awesome!!

[Colt_Steele]

They killed Frogurt :(

[sweet-t310]

The old lady (Ms Hawking) did appear in a previous episode called "Flashes Before Your Eyes" back in Season Three. She told him that he is supposed to push the button and gave the thing about course correction about death.

Just to point out, she was telling Desmond to push the button, not Ben. During Desmond's episode when he was going in and out of the past, she was the only one who knew him and knew what was going on to him. Speculation is also that Ms. Hawking is Faraday's mother, which I also concur with.

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

Don't know if you guys have seen this as it was a viral video :


Listen to the voice of who is operating the camera at the Dharma station...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLJ7bPpI8VM
Sound familiar?


There is more to him than meets the eye it appears.

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

Also my theories on some of things going on.

Also that book that Daniel says he learned everything from...notice he keeps looking stuff up in it. Well if he wrote all the things down in there, he should remember them, and not have to look them up constantly. So I wonder where he swiped that book from.

When Daniel said that they can't change the past, and when they kept going back to the beach but they never saw any of the survivors there(or themselves), I'm thinking that they are kind of displaced in time, meaning they are there, but they can't really change or interact with things from the past. Which if this is the case that would explain all the whispering we've heard on the island through the whole show, but never saw anybody. It's those guys, bouncing around through time, and talking, but they weren't visible because they were outside of time.

Also the baby they showed at the very beginning, and was crying in the video. I think that might be Miles. Asian baby, and if he was born on the island, that would explain how he can talk to dead things.

That old lady that was talking to Ben at the end, was also the one that talked to Desmond when he was jumping around through time. I have a feeling she's Daniels mother who they are going to go see at Oxford.

[jeccaneko]

Also my theories on some of things going on.

Also that book that Daniel says he learned everything from...notice he keeps looking stuff up in it. Well if he wrote all the things down in there, he should remember them, and not have to look them up constantly. So I wonder where he swiped that book from.

When Daniel said that they can't change the past, and when they kept going back to the beach but they never saw any of the survivors there(or themselves), I'm thinking that they are kind of displaced in time, meaning they are there, but they can't really change or interact with things from the past. Which if this is the case that would explain all the whispering we've heard on the island through the whole show, but never saw anybody. It's those guys, bouncing around through time, and talking, but they weren't visible because they were outside of time.

Also the baby they showed at the very beginning, and was crying in the video. I think that might be Miles. Asian baby, and if he was born on the island, that would explain how he can talk to dead things.

That old lady that was talking to Ben at the end, was also the one that talked to Desmond when he was jumping around through time. I have a feeling she's Daniels mother who they are going to go see at Oxford.

Wow. I like those theories and after reading them, agree entirely. Except with one: the thing about his book. If he has spent pretty much his whole adult life until he got on the island researching that stuff, I imagine he has years of observations and such he wrote down. I don't think you'd be able to remember all of that necessarily.

I also felt like he wasn't really looking in it constantly. Main reason he looked in it I thought was to remember what the nose bleed meant, because he didn't want to believe that was happening to somebody he cares about.

Remember from last season there was that guy on the ship who was jumping around in time and he got nose bleeds like that. Eventually he died. I think jumping around in time kills you. That's why Daniel tried so hard to express to Desmond that everyone's in danger. I think Charlotte will just be the first victim of jumping around in time.

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

Yeah they need a 'constant' someone that is there in the past and they still now in the 'now' to anchor them.

Otherwise their brain can't handle the constant shifts in time, and they bust a vessel and they die.

So Desmond is the key as he is alive now, they all know him(or at least know who he is), and he's still on the island in the hatch(if they can get back to that period of time again or something close to it.

So Desmond is the key to stopping everyone from dying from time bouncing.

[Fennz]

Just to point out, she was telling Desmond to push the button, not Ben. During Desmond's episode when he was going in and out of the past, she was the only one who knew him and knew what was going on to him.

yeah. that's what I meant

BTW, some of your guys theories are pretty good. Miles being Marvin Candle's son. I would have never thought of that.

Just one thing. I hope the explain all this time travel stuff. It still confuses me. Whether or not the island is or they are, where are their bodies in the present time? Can they run into themselves from the past? We know Daniel explains time like a "string." You can't make a "new string," but didn't Daniel somehow cause Desmond to go to Oxford to find his mother because he time travel. I guess it was a "memory," but still didn't it affect him. I'm so confused....I don't know....... AHH!

[sweet-t310]

yeah. that's what I meant

BTW, some of your guys theories are pretty good. Miles being Marvin Candle's son. I would have never thought of that.

Just one thing. I hope the explain all this time travel stuff. It still confuses me. Whether or not the island is or they are, where are their bodies in the present time? Can they run into themselves from the past? We know Daniel explains time like a "string." You can't make a "new string," but didn't Daniel somehow cause Desmond to go to Oxford to find his mother because he time travel. I guess it was a "memory," but still didn't it affect him. I'm so confused....I don't know....... AHH!

They can't run into themselves because they can't change the future or the past. The reason Daniel was able to talk to Desmond is because in season 4 it was revealed that Desmond and Daniel are each other's "constants" to reality (preventing them from the nosebleeds and ultimate death). Meaning because they have met each other before and in different times (when desmond was flashing while on the boat), they have a connection to each other. Which is why when he woke up in "the present" while in bed with Penny, he said "It wasn't a dream, it was a memory".

Got it? :p

It still hasn't been revealed whether it is the island or the people that are skipping through time.

[kazlam]

They killed Frogurt :(
its Neal...

why didnt desmond remember daniel when he opened the door? that was after his visit to oxford university in '96 so des' timeline shouldve allowed him to remember...

[sweet-t310]

its Neal...

why didnt desmond remember daniel when he opened the door? that was after his visit to oxford university in '96 so des' timeline shouldve allowed him to remember...

Theoretically, yes. But keep in mind....Des was locked in that hatch for 3 years deprived of human contact after trying to sail around the world and being shipwrecked. I'm sure his memory may have been a little fuzzy.

Also, Jack and Desmond didn't recognize each other when they first met on the island, it was only after Jack heard Des say "brotha" before they figured it out (if I'm remembering correctly).

[billman3000]

Faraday said, the island or they are. We still don't know. I do think evidence is pointing to them

The old lady (Ms Hawking) did appear in a previous episode called "Flashes Before Your Eyes" back in Season Three. She told him that he is supposed to push the button and gave the thing about course correction about death.

BTW, the season premire was awesome!!

thanks man!

[kazlam]

Faraday said, the island or they are. We still don't know. I do think evidence is pointing to them

sure we know. the island moves along with whoever is on it or within a certain distance from it. As daniel said when he was on the little boat when it first moved, 'we must have been inside the radius.'

[Fennz]

sure we know. the island moves along with whoever is on it or within a certain distance from it. As daniel said when he was on the little boat when it first moved, 'we must have been inside the radius.'

obviously the island moved physically when ben moved it, but the aftermath caused the island start skipping (like a record) through time. There still hasn't been enough evidence to prove whether or not the island itself is moving in time or just the castaways. I'd just take Daniel's word having both possibilities. I think next week's episode will clear this up.

[Der_Lex]

I've avoided this thread until I was all caught up. Very good stuff so far. I was especially pleased with Locke's badass return to the rest of the island crew, and with Daniel's big role so far.

[Fennz]

Best Lost website (besides lostpedia):
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/

[mimic]

One thing that angers me a lot is when they try and slip in characters. Faraday and them were fine, they were part of the plot, they came to the island and have a purpose. I'm talking about that stupid twerp from people under the stairs. With him and seeing my most hated actress of all time michelle rodriguez (you have no lip definition, go ask sun for help) I was in a pissy mood through a lot of it.

Thankfully she was a hallucination and that twerp got a flaming arrow to the chest. Best episodes ever!

Now I just wait for the time shifting to kill that ginger and I'll be happy.

[sweet-t310]

One thing that angers me a lot is when they try and slip in characters. Faraday and them were fine, they were part of the plot, they came to the island and have a purpose. I'm talking about that stupid twerp from people under the stairs. With him and seeing my most hated actress of all time michelle rodriguez (you have no lip definition, go ask sun for help) I was in a pissy mood through a lot of it.


Well as for Michelle Rodriguez....she was an integral part of Season 2, so she wasn't just slipped in.

And as for the other people in the camp, there were a LOT of survivors when the plane first crashed, and we only got the backstories on 12-15 of them. The rest have just been living their own uneventful lives trying to survive. We just haven't been introduced to them yet.

[mimic]

Well as for Michelle Rodriguez....she was an integral part of Season 2, so she wasn't just slipped in.

And as for the other people in the camp, there were a LOT of survivors when the plane first crashed, and we only got the backstories on 12-15 of them. The rest have just been living their own uneventful lives trying to survive. We just haven't been introduced to them yet.

Oh I know, I didn't mean to imply anna lucia was slipped in. If we're bringing back people who like to drink and drive I'd much prefer echo.

Meh, I didn't like frogurt and I didn't like those two gem thieves either. Though I did like how they died.

[sweet-t310]

I didn't like those two gem thieves either. Though I did like how they died.

One of my top 5 episodes. :D

[mimic]

One of my top 5 episodes. :D

Sawyers reaction to them is the same as mine. WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?

[hmxhenry]

From a pure action standpoint I also loved Sayid's "ninja" moves and the ultimate death by dishwasher moment!

Seriously though, who stores knives in their dishwasher pointy end up? You're asking for trouble at that point.



Also that book that Daniel says he learned everything from...notice he keeps looking stuff up in it. Well if he wrote all the things down in there, he should remember them, and not have to look them up constantly. So I wonder where he swiped that book from.

They've established that Daniel has problems with his memory, which would explain why he is constantly checking his notebook for things that we would expect him to remember (i.e. the fact that he met Desmond and that he was his constant). Remember early in season four when he and Charlotte where doing a memory exercise with a deck of cards? Daniel had difficulty remembering the numbers and suits of three cards.

Is his poor memory a side effect of time travel or exposure to time travelers or was it a pre existing condition? That much we don't know, but it would make sense at this point. Remember, the note in Daniel's notebook read "If anything goes wrong Desmond Hume will be my constant". Well it would appear that something has gone wrong. DUN DUN DUN!

[sweet-t310]

Seriously though, who stores knives in their dishwasher pointy end up? You're asking for trouble at that point.


That is ALL I could think about during that scene. Awesome, yes... but come on...

[j_dub_rules]

A BAMF who knows he's gonna be shoving someone onto said knives stores their knives pointy end up, thats who!

[Fennz]

Does anybody else feel that the writers won't explain all the mysteries?

According to this, there about 370 mysteries yet to be explained. Divide that by 32 episodes left in the show on top of more mysteries to be given to us in each episode which is about 11 mysteries an episode.
http://lostmysteries.blogspot.com/

[rockfresh126]

Does anybody else feel that the writers won't explain all the mysteries?

According to this, there about 370 mysteries yet to be explained. Divide that by 32 episodes left in the show on top of more mysteries to be given to us in each episode which is about 11 mysteries an episode.
http://lostmysteries.blogspot.com/

One mystery that needs solved...who the hell is Steve, and which one is Scott.

SAWYER: I heard Scott died
HURLEY: Actually that was Steve

[jeccaneko]

Does anybody else feel that the writers won't explain all the mysteries?

According to this, there about 370 mysteries yet to be explained. Divide that by 32 episodes left in the show on top of more mysteries to be given to us in each episode which is about 11 mysteries an episode.
http://lostmysteries.blogspot.com/

They're not going to. I don't think they have the time, so they'll just have to wrap up the main mysteries. Honestly, I feel like the writers have completely forgotten about some of them. :(

[Fennz]

One mystery that needs solved...who the hell is Steve, and which one is Scott.

SAWYER: I heard Scott died
HURLEY: Actually that was Steve

wait. I thought Scott died. (Yes. I'm serious.)

[rockfresh126]

wait. I thought Scott died. (Yes. I'm serious.)

I always forget which one it is...although the wrong one showed up at the funeral (I do remember that much)

[Fennz]

I always forget which one it is...although the wrong one showed up at the funeral (I do remember that much)

I looked on lostpedia and its indeed scott who is dead.

btw, tonights episode got a 8.9 on ign. Hopefully its good!

[sweet-t310]

I looked on lostpedia and its indeed scott who is dead.

btw, tonights episode got a 8.9 on ign. Hopefully its good!

I've been avoiding all promos for it (as I always do). It's going to be really hard to top last week, so I'm going in with low expectations.

[Mex]

I'm kinda sad that Claire isn't around aymore. Can't beat a gorgeous girl with an Aussie accent.

[Stewie]

I'm kinda sad that Claire isn't around aymore. Can't beat a gorgeous girl with an Aussie accent.

She'll probably came from time to time. She's still on the island with Jack's Dad and that invisible chair guy right?

[sweet-t310]

I'm kinda sad that Claire isn't around aymore. Can't beat a gorgeous girl with an Aussie accent.

Well technically she didn't go anywhere.....so hopefully she'll be popping back up.

But yes, she's hot.

[Oscar-Rio]

I'm kinda sad that Claire isn't around aymore. Can't beat a gorgeous girl with an Aussie accent.

you ever gone back to watch Season one again? She doesn't look quite so good back then.


Tonight's episode, "Jughead", is being hailed by critics as one of the best - if not the best - episodes of "Lost" ever. I read a few early reviews where it was being compared to "Flashes Before Your Eyes" and "The Constant".

:drool:

[Mex]

She'll probably came from time to time. She's still on the island with Jack's Dad and that invisible chair guy right?


Well technically she didn't go anywhere.....so hopefully she'll be popping back up.

But yes, she's hot.

Yup and yup. Actually I read that she will appear periodically this season. I guess in the same way as when she was seen with Jack's dad. I also read that she's going to return to the show for NEXT season as a regular. Not sure how exactly they'll do that though.



you ever gone back to watch Season one again? She doesn't look quite so good back then.



:drool:


I have, I think she looks great. You mean because she was pregnant? Ha ha.....Charlie had the right idea man, too bad he was a complete goof about it. That guy had ZERO game.

[sweet-t310]

I also read that she's going to return to the show for NEXT season as a regular. Not sure how exactly they'll do that though.

Same way with Michael/Walt. Claire never died, she just disappeared and left Aaron.

@Oscar: Sigh...well there goes my low expectations for the night :p

[HiAperture]

Same way with Michael/Walt. Claire never died, she just disappeared and left Aaron.

@Oscar: Sigh...well there goes my low expectations for the night :p

exactly, she never died, we don't have a clue what really has happened to her at this point.

[mimic]

Everyone in this thread will love this picture...

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5005/t7ixhxjpgfj1.gif

[Mex]

Ha ha....Hurley rules.

[LibertineStripes]

Everyone in this thread will love this picture...

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5005/t7ixhxjpgfj1.gif

Ben's "WTF" look is hilarious.

[Stewie]

Ha ha....Hurley rules.

lol at that video

[Renrock]

Ok , so maybe it's been posted before or maybe I'm an idiot who's just seeing things . . .

But I could swear that I just saw Walt in the Tyson chicken commercial that aired during the LOST recap show. :confused:

[Mex]

Ren I think you're losing it bud ;)

*********POSSIBLE SPOILER BELOW*******************














By the way, this episode rules. Young Charles Widmore....I didn't see that one coming.

[Stewie]

Ren I think you're losing it bud ;)

*********POSSIBLE SPOILER BELOW******************





By the way, this episode rules. Young Charles Widmore....I didn't see that one coming.

******Minor Possible Spolier************

50 years????

This is getting more confusing.

[sweet-t310]

Ren I think you're losing it bud ;)

*********POSSIBLE SPOILER BELOW*******************














By the way, this episode rules. Young Charles Widmore....I didn't see that one coming.

Locke: "Nice to meet you."

That was FANTASTIC!!!

[Mex]

This show just keeps getting better.

I'm feeling a bit bad for Mr. Faraday though. He's such a dork and he's got an in with a girl he likes and...well just look at what's happening to her.

[sweet-t310]

This show just keeps getting better.

I'm feeling a bit bad for Mr. Faraday though. He's such a dork and he's got an in with a girl he likes and...well just look at what's happening to her.

I'm guessing the same thing has happened to him before as well....

[Mex]

I'm guessing the same thing has happened to him before as well....

Yeah looks like it. Maybe he won't abandon this one. Or maybe he didn't abandon the other one at all. More mysteries.....

[rockfresh126]

This episode was absolute proof of how great this show was. Two reasons: one, after 5 years it can still completley shock you (young Charles Widmore??)/ 2: The whole episode featured a whole 2 members of the original cast, and yet was completley great. I can't wait to see where they go next.

PS. How f'ing old is Richard?

[sweet-t310]

This episode was absolute proof of how great this show was. Two reasons: one, after 5 years it can still completley shock you (young Charles Widmore??)/ 2: The whole episode featured a whole 2 members of the original cast, and yet was completley great. I can't wait to see where they go next.

PS. How f'ing old is Richard?

Well said.

And anyone else starting to think Richard may have found and learned to control what Dr. Chang was looking for in the season 5 premiere opening??

[Mex]

Ok here's the deal....

Faraday is Charles Widmore's son. The woman who leads Faraday to the H-bomb is his mother. That's why he says she looks alot like someone he used to know. And we now know that young Charles Widmore is on the island too. Faraday was possibly conceived on the island and that's why he ends up getting into time travel and Widmore funds all his research.

They call the female soldier Ellie right? In past episodes we've met a woman named Eloise, who tells Desmond what's going on when he's jumping through time. Remember that? That's the woman Faraday sends Desmond to find in Oxford, his mother.

So Faraday's mom is Eloise who is called Ellie while on the Island, his dad is Charles Widmore which makes Penny his sister, which makes Desmond his brother in law?

Madness.

[Stewie]

Ok here's the deal....

Faraday is Charles Widmore's son. The woman who leads Faraday to the H-bomb is his mother. That's why he says she looks alot like someone he used to know. And we now know that young Charles Widmore is on the island too. Faraday was possibly conceived on the island and that's why he ends up getting into time travel and Widmore funds all his research.

They call the female soldier Ellie right? In past episodes we've met a woman named Eloise, who tells Desmond what's going on when he's jumping through time. Remember that? That's the woman Faraday sends Desmond to find in Oxford, his mother.

So Faraday's mom is Eloise who is called Ellie while on the Island, his dad is Charles Widmore which makes Penny his sister, which makes Desmond his brother in law?

Madness.

Is Ellie that old check with the gun who was running around the island? I thought she died. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Mex]

Is Ellie that old check with the gun who was running around the island? I thought she died. Maybe I'm wrong.

Are you talking about Rousseau? The french woman?

[Stewie]

Are you talking about Rousseau? The french woman?

Yah that's it. I though I might have been mistaken.

[rockfresh126]

Ok here's the deal....

Faraday is Charles Widmore's son. The woman who leads Faraday to the H-bomb is his mother. That's why he says she looks alot like someone he used to know. And we now know that young Charles Widmore is on the island too. Faraday was possibly conceived on the island and that's why he ends up getting into time travel and Widmore funds all his research.

They call the female soldier Ellie right? In past episodes we've met a woman named Eloise, who tells Desmond what's going on when he's jumping through time. Remember that? That's the woman Faraday sends Desmond to find in Oxford, his mother.

And I recently posted that there were so few cast members left on the island that I cared about. That all changed with this episode. Farraday is far and away the best or second best character on the show. Charlotte has finally grown on me (in time for them to possibly kill her). Miles was less annoying and seemed to have a purpose. And kudos to the Mayor of Gotham, with his minimal screentime over the course of the series (comparatively), has become one of the most intriquinging characters on any show
So Faraday's mom is Eloise who is called Ellie while on the Island, his dad is Charles Widmore which makes Penny his sister, which makes Desmond his brother in law?

Madness.

An excellent deduction, one that took me a few minutes to figure out while watching. Of course it makes so much sense....that Charlotte must actually be the kid lol

[Mex]

An excellent deduction, one that took me a few minutes to figure out while watching. Of course it makes so much sense....that Charlotte must actually be the kid lol

Which kid?

[rockfresh126]

Which kid?

I'm going under the assumption that Faraday is Ellie's kid (the chick from the island on tonights episode). Considering Widmore was funding Faraday's research, and knew right where the mom was (we're also assuming Eloise, who told Desmond all about time travel), we're saying he's Widmore's kid as well.

The other thing to keep in mind though...all indications have Charlotte so far having been born on the island, which from all acounts isnt possible. Ergo...possibly also a kid.

[Renrock]

Ok here's the deal....

Faraday is Charles Widmore's son. The woman who leads Faraday to the H-bomb is his mother. That's why he says she looks alot like someone he used to know. And we now know that young Charles Widmore is on the island too. Faraday was possibly conceived on the island and that's why he ends up getting into time travel and Widmore funds all his research.

They call the female soldier Ellie right? In past episodes we've met a woman named Eloise, who tells Desmond what's going on when he's jumping through time. Remember that? That's the woman Faraday sends Desmond to find in Oxford, his mother.

So Faraday's mom is Eloise who is called Ellie while on the Island, his dad is Charles Widmore which makes Penny his sister, which makes Desmond his brother in law?

Madness.

Brilliant.

[Renrock]

Ren I think you're losing it bud ;)

lol , and I'm not losing it ! I just googled it and sure enough it was Walt in a chicken commercial !

I can't find the actual commercial , but the search brought up some other LOST forums that saw it as well.

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/messagetopic.asp?p=11904024

It's all part of the show I tell you ! :p

[rockfresh126]

Here's something I just thought of.

We've been going under the impression that Rouseau's virus she's warned everyone about, and the inability of women to have children (as well as Desmond's Hazmat suit) have been different things.

But with the revelation tonight....what if it really has something to do with the H-Bomb on the island? Radiation sickness, things like that. It's leaky, it's supposedly buried underground...anyone think it's a possibility?

[Renrock]

Oh yeah Mex , I also believe Eloise was the name of one of Faradays test rats from a Desmond time flash last season.

[Daesania]

There is only one thing I can do to describe the episode I just watched on my dvr.

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Fennz]

I thought this episode was good, but I found it difficult to watch when there were commericals every 5 min(literally). Next week, I'm just going to wait 15 min and skip the commericals (DVR FTW!)

[macdaddy3598]

Last night I watched LOST for the first time since season 3-ish. I likened it to a soap opera... I knew nearly all the characters and the same people were doing the same things since two years ago.

I have to tell ya, I quit LOST because of the need for answers. I know everyone says that, but I really did. I quit it completely.

Here's an example of why the unanswered questions get on my nerves...

John: "How old is Richard?" "Juliet: "Really old."

I mean, wtf is that?! I'm exhausted from these lines. Any normal person would say "What? What do you mean really old? B*tch, I asked how old he is and I want a number!"

/rant

So despite the continued annoying mysteries and the writers' obvious lack of storyline, I'm giving it another shot.

Anyone else quit and now trying pick it up again? Am I the crazy one?

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

I'm going under the assumption that Faraday is Ellie's kid (the chick from the island on tonights episode). Considering Widmore was funding Faraday's research, and knew right where the mom was (we're also assuming Eloise, who told Desmond all about time travel), we're saying he's Widmore's kid as well.

The other thing to keep in mind though...all indications have Charlotte so far having been born on the island, which from all acounts isnt possible. Ergo...possibly also a kid.

Not possible now maybe it wasn't always that way.

Remember the start of this season? When the asian doctor was tending to his very tiny, infant baby son (as in not that old at all) ON THE ISLAND?

I think not only was that kid born on the island, BUT that it's Miles.

If he was born on the island it would explain how he can talk to dead things.

[Banky71]

I think Faradays mom is the lady from when Desmond was buying the ring and she told him not to. This is also the same lady who is in LA that Ben visited whom was in the lab with all the Darma like computers. This could very well be Ellie in the past. I also think Miles was the baby in the begining of this season. The thing I found odd was Desmonds and Pennys baby was named Charlie(assuming after Charlie Pace) If Desmond and Penny are not married that child could be named Charles Widmore. With all the time travel on the island and the fact that even though some is called Father doesen't always mean they are blood related (Ben and Alex). So could Widmore be raising his own mother? My thought is Penny, Desmond, and baby Charlie all go back to the island Penny and Desmond end up being Adam and Eve(the skeletons in the cave) and young Charlie grows up to be Charles Widmore we all know and love.

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

The hatch FINALLY makes sense.

During last night's episode Daniel was saying to surround the bomb with lead and concrete...that was the hatch that Desmond was in.

Pushing the button every 108 minutes was to dissipate the radiation...or SOMETHING to keep it from exploding. That also explains why they had radiation style suits in there and was told there was a 'sickness' if they went out without them. Can't have people knowing they were living on an Atomic bomb that could go off at any second could we?

However the others are VERY VERY smart so they'd have a fail safe in case something went wrong.

Which if you remember when the button wasn't pressed and everything went to ****, Desmond put in the key and used the fail safe.

AND if you remember as soon as he did that, there was the noise and white flash in the sky which signals a time jump(and also got Desmond 'unstuck' in time).

So the island moved through time(the key must have been some kind of emergency access to the energy emitted from the donkey wheel time travel thingie), and the atomic bomb DID explode, it's just the island wasn't there when it did, as it got left behind when the island jumped.

I'm thinking since they waited so long to use the failsafe, some of the explosion got through, which is why the hatch exploded like it did.

[sweet-t310]

Interesting theories so far....but what are the indications that Charlotte was born on the island? Am I missing something there?

[Banky71]

Interesting theories so far....but what are the indications that Charlotte was born on the island? Am I missing something there?

Miles said something to that effect when Dan was transporting people to the freighter. It hinted that she has been trying to get back to the island and why would she leave now.

[sweet-t310]

Miles said something to that effect when Dan was transporting people to the freighter. It hinted that she has been trying to get back to the island and why would she leave now.

Ok, I remember that now. Thanks. Don't know if that's a damning statement that she was born there, but it opens up another possibility. :p

[Banky71]

Ok, I remember that now. Thanks. Don't know if that's a damning statement that she was born there, but it opens up another possibility. :p

Yeah


i think people just assume she was born there. They really only hint she has ben on the island before. I'd be interested to see how many toes she has lol

[sweet-t310]

Yeah


i think people just assume she was born there. They really only hint she has ben on the island before. I'd be interested to see how many toes she has lol

I see what you did there....

edit: my god, I think I'm going Lost-insane.

[kazlam]

I think Faradays mom is the lady from when Desmond was buying the ring and she told him not to. This is also the same lady who is in LA that Ben visited whom was in the lab with all the Darma like computers. This could very well be Ellie in the past. I also think Miles was the baby in the begining of this season. The thing I found odd was Desmonds and Pennys baby was named Charlie(assuming after Charlie Pace) If Desmond and Penny are not married that child could be named Charles Widmore. With all the time travel on the island and the fact that even though some is called Father doesen't always mean they are blood related (Ben and Alex). So could Widmore be raising his own mother? My thought is Penny, Desmond, and baby Charlie all go back to the island Penny and Desmond end up being Adam and Eve(the skeletons in the cave) and young Charlie grows up to be Charles Widmore we all know and love.

that makes my brain hurt. i love it.

[Banky71]

that makes my brain hurt. i love it.

I couln't sleep last night when I got done watching it. lol

[RockBandRocker]

I think Richard Alpert is either:

a) A very smart time traveller

or

b) An immortal (hence Juliet's "very old" comment)


I really wish they would tie in to "Bad Twin". That book features two brothers with the last name Widmore, the Hanso foundation, and other little things.

[Mex]

Oh yeah Mex , I also believe Eloise was the name of one of Faradays test rats from a Desmond time flash last season.

Yeah you're right. His rat was named Ellie or Eloise. Good eyes on spotting Walt in the commercial, I totally missed that. Guess you're not crazy after all ;)

As for Penny and Desmonds kid possibly being Charles Widmore.....ok I see what's people are saying there but. I think it's a bit far fetched, even for Lost...ha ha.

More likely I think he's named after Charlie Pace.

You know I never liked the Charlie Pace character until he died. Before that he was all emo about Claire.

[Banky71]

Yeah you're right. His rat was named Ellie or Eloise. Good eyes on spotting Walt in the commercial, I totally missed that. Guess you're not crazy after all ;)

As for Penny and Desmonds kid possibly being Charles Widmore.....ok I see what's people are saying there but. I think it's a bit far fetched, even for Lost...ha ha.

More likely I think he's named after Charlie Pace.

You know I never liked the Charlie Pace character until he died. Before that he was all emo about Claire.

I totally agree the kid was probably named after Charlie Pace, just fun to think about the implications of naming him that. I mean it's just a theory but just as plausible as anything else.

[sweet-t310]

You know I never liked the Charlie Pace character until he died. Before that he was all emo about Claire.

Charlie and Locke's relationship early on with the drug use was pretty good stuff. I liked him then, but yeah, once he got all girly he kind of became a secondary character to me.

[Mex]

Charlie and Locke's relationship early on with the drug use was pretty good stuff. I liked him then, but yeah, once he got all girly he kind of became a secondary character to me.

Exactly. He reminded me of friends I had in high school who in their attempts to get the girl, annoyed the crap out of the girl and everyone else around.

RIP Charlie.

I'm also glad the focus isn't on the Jack-Kate-Sawyer love triangle deal anymore. That was getting a bit too much as well.

[sweet-t310]

Exactly. He reminded me of friends I had in high school who in their attempts to get the girl, annoyed the crap out of the girl and everyone else around.

RIP Charlie.

I'm also glad the focus isn't on the Jack-Kate-Sawyer love triangle deal anymore. That was getting a bit too much as well.

Yeah, Sawyer's too busy getting his moves on with Juliet now. Plus he probably still thinks Kate and Jack are dead from the tanker explosion.

[Bub]

Yeah, Sawyer's too busy getting his moves on with Juliet now. Plus he probably still thinks Kate and Jack are dead from the tanker explosion.

True but he still asked Kate to keep some promise to him which we still don't know what that is.

[Daesania]

True but he still asked Kate to keep some promise to him which we still don't know what that is.


I read a spoiler online about this one. I wish i hadnt. Its not that big though.

[Stewie]

I read a spoiler online about this one. I wish i hadnt. Its not that big though.

Really? I'd still rather not know. Back when the movie Poseidon came out some news show spoiled the ending. I still haven't seen it. I don't like spoilers.

[Fennz]

I read a spoiler online about this one. I wish i hadnt. Its not that big though.

Yeah. I read it too. Kind of interesting..

[Der_Lex]

My big questions after the last episode:

- Did Whidmore leave the island voluntarily, or was he banished? The latter seems more likely, but if so, why?

- In the conversation between Ben and Whidmore in the last season, it was made clear that they can't kill each other because there are 'rules'. Now that it's been revealed that both are (or have been) Others, does this mean that this is part of the general 'Others don't kill Others' rule, or is there something more happening?

I'm pretty sure that old woman with Ben in LA (and who wouldn't sell Desmond the ring in the previous season)/Faraday's mom/the blond British Other are one and the same, though.

[svartikins]

The hatch FINALLY makes sense.

During last night's episode Daniel was saying to surround the bomb with lead and concrete...that was the hatch that Desmond was in.

I'm thinking since they waited so long to use the failsafe, some of the explosion got through, which is why the hatch exploded like it did.

Cut for space. Actually, that's an interesting theory. I think it's highly unlikely, but it does make sense. Just, the hatch blew up. People are still there.

To change subject, does anyone thing the episode could (should) have ended with (spoiler alert) the whole Widmore thing. I think it would have been a much better ending if the "LOST" screen would have come up after Locke said "Nice to meet you."

[Banky71]

My big questions after the last episode:

- Did Whidmore leave the island voluntarily, or was he banished? The latter seems more likely, but if so, why?





Maybe he was banished for killing that other he was with.

[willdabeast21]

To change subject, does anyone thing the episode could (should) have ended with (spoiler alert) the whole Widmore thing. I think it would have been a much better ending if the "LOST" screen would have come up after Locke said "Nice to meet you."

yeah, that would have been a great ending!
but Charlotte dying (at least i think shes dead...) was good too

[HiAperture]

My big questions after the last episode:

- Did Whidmore leave the island voluntarily, or was he banished? The latter seems more likely, but if so, why?

- In the conversation between Ben and Whidmore in the last season, it was made clear that they can't kill each other because there are 'rules'. Now that it's been revealed that both are (or have been) Others, does this mean that this is part of the general 'Others don't kill Others' rule, or is there something more happening?

I'm pretty sure that old woman with Ben in LA (and who wouldn't sell Desmond the ring in the previous season)/Faraday's mom/the blond British Other are one and the same, though.
Well remember Widmore also said "everything you have you took from me," so perhaps Ben took over leadership of the island from Widmore in a similar fashion to Locke taking over for Ben.

[willdabeast21]

Everyone in this thread will love this picture...

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5005/t7ixhxjpgfj1.gif

hahaha, i laughed so hard when i first saw that, and even harder the second time!

[Der_Lex]

I don't know if this interview (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/01/lost_damon_lindelof_qa.html)has been posted yet, but I thought it was pretty interesting, especially regarding what the writer's strike has deprived us of in the end.

It's also interesting to note that even Lindelof considers the 'how did Jack get his tattoo' episode the worst they've ever done. :D

[rockfresh126]

The hatch FINALLY makes sense.

During last night's episode Daniel was saying to surround the bomb with lead and concrete...that was the hatch that Desmond was in.

Pushing the button every 108 minutes was to dissipate the radiation...or SOMETHING to keep it from exploding. That also explains why they had radiation style suits in there and was told there was a 'sickness' if they went out without them. Can't have people knowing they were living on an Atomic bomb that could go off at any second could we?


AND if you remember as soon as he did that, there was the noise and white flash in the sky which signals a time jump(and also got Desmond 'unstuck' in time).

So the island moved through time(the key must have been some kind of emergency access to the energy emitted from the donkey wheel time travel thingie), and the atomic bomb DID explode, it's just the island wasn't there when it did, as it got left behind when the island jumped.

I'm thinking since they waited so long to use the failsafe, some of the explosion got through, which is why the hatch exploded like it did.

Shortened a little.....interesting theory, but if you ever played the Lost video game...it shows the inside of the hatch a little more....there's a ginormous magnet inside (hence why the plane got brought down when Desmond failed to press the button on time).

I'm gonna go with my theory that the bomb is responsible for the "virus" that Rouseua and the Others have warned everyone about. Clues? Desmond's Hazmat suit, people getting sick all the time (radiation poisoning), stuff like that. If it's leaky and they do manage to bury it underground, it's possible it seeped into the water or something like that.

Here's one thing I still don't get, based on their established "rules" for time travel. The island DISAPPEARED. Yes we hear it's been "moved" but based on their own rules that doesn't make sense. Yes they are moving through time, and the island got unstuck. But that doesn't mean it should disappear....it should just change. An island 50 years later, is still an island just different. So I ask......did the bomb go off? Though highly unlikely, it's the only explanation I've got at the momment.

[willdabeast21]

hmmm, maybe the bomb/radiation is response able for the pregnant women dying?
surely being exposed to that much radiation would have some effect...

[Fennz]

I don't know if this interview (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/01/lost_damon_lindelof_qa.html)has been posted yet, but I thought it was pretty interesting, especially regarding what the writer's strike has deprived us of in the end.

It's also interesting to note that even Lindelof considers the 'how did Jack get his tattoo' episode the worst they've ever done. :D

It's interesting about how Michael's story would have been better if there was no strike. It seemed Michael came back for a few episodes just to die.

That writers strike stuff sucks. I wish they'd just did the whole 8 episodes and extended the season into the summer.

[jeccaneko]

hmmm, maybe the bomb/radiation is response able for the pregnant women dying?
surely being exposed to that much radiation would have some effect...

That makes sense, but what about the other people? Radiation should affect everyone, not just pregnant women.

[Sarcree]

What blew my mind was Charles Whitmore was on the Island in the 1950s....also who do you think is Farraday's mother?! Grey-haired lady maybe....dunno!!

[Der_Lex]

What blew my mind was Charles Whitmore was on the Island in the 1950s....also who do you think is Farraday's mother?! Grey-haired lady maybe....dunno!!


I'm pretty sure that old woman with Ben in LA (and who wouldn't sell Desmond the ring in the previous season)/Faraday's mom/the blond British Other are one and the same, though.

:D

This would also open up the possibility of Whidmore being Daniel's dad if he and blondie had ever 'gotten together', since the 'women on the island can't have kids' was something that had only been occuring in recent years, I believe.

[Sarcree]

It would also explain why Whitmore was funding Faraday's work....man this show still gets me!!

[Der_Lex]

It would also explain why Whitmore was funding Faraday's work....man this show still gets me!!

And why he would pay for the girl that's in a pseudo-coma because of what Faraday did.

[Sarcree]

So why do you think Whitmore wants to get back there so bad?

[Renrock]

Seeing young Whitmore on the island was definitely cool , but I got more chills by seeing Locke talk to Richard.

Right before time skipped Locke told him when and where he would be born. I got the tinglies from that because I remembered in a flashback from an earlier season Richard being there when Locke was born.

[Der_Lex]

Seeing young Whitmore on the island was definitely cool , but I got more chills by seeing Locke talk to Richard.

Right before time skipped Locke told him when and where he would be born. I got the tinglies from that because I remembered in a flashback from an earlier season Richard being there when Locke was born.

Made Richard's little test of young Locke more interesting too, since the compass was one of the items on the table.

[Renrock]

Made Richard's little test of young Locke more interesting too, since the compass was one of the items on the table.

:eek: I forgot about that.

Still makes for some wtf moments by the official LOST rules of time travel.

Only reason Richard goes to see baby Locke is because old Locke went to Richard in the 50's(?).

[Der_Lex]

:eek: I forgot about that.

Still makes for some wtf moments by the official LOST rules of time travel.

Only reason Richard goes to see baby Locke is because old Locke went to Richard in the 50's(?).

That doesn't really go against the rules. You can't change or prevent events that have occurred, but that doesn't mean you can't go back and cause those events that have actually transpired. It was basically meant to happen anyway, Locke just nudged it along a bit.

[Mex]

My big questions after the last episode:

- Did Whidmore leave the island voluntarily, or was he banished? The latter seems more likely, but if so, why?

I'm guessing that Whidmore "moved" the Island and couldn't find it again. Ben then took over and eventually "moves" the Island too. And now Locke moves in as the leader of the others.

We know that Locke ends up dead, off the Island and is known as Jeremy Bentham. But how does he end up off the Island?

This show effin rules.

[Renrock]

That doesn't really go against the rules. You can't change or prevent events that have occurred, but that doesn't mean you can't go back and cause those events that have actually transpired. It was basically meant to happen anyway, Locke just nudged it along a bit.

So you're saying things can actually change and be played out differently with Time Travel , but the overall outcome will still be the same ?

Guess we'll just have to watch and see how they play it out.

(I always liked the Back to the Future(2) time travel logic the best.)

[Der_Lex]

We know that Locke ends up dead

Or does he? Remember the previous episode, when Jack asked Ben about Locke being dead? Ben didn't answer, and right after that, the show cut to Hurley's dad watching the show Expose. Remember what happened to Expose guest star and crash survivor Nikki? I might be reading to much into this, but it could be that Locke (with or without the help of Ben) is faking his death with the same spider poison that caused everyone to think Nikki and Paolo were dead, simply because he knows his death will be the only thing that will convince Jack to go back to the island.

[Stewie]

Or does he? Remember the previous episode, when Jack asked Ben about Locke being dead? Ben didn't answer, and right after that, the show cut to Hurley's dad watching the show Expose. Remember what happened to Expose guest star and crash survivor Nikki? I might be reading to much into this, but it could be that Locke (with or without the help of Ben) is faking his death with the same spider poison that caused everyone to think Nikki and Paolo were dead, simply because he knows his death will be the only thing that will convince Jack to go back to the island.

That would be awesome

[Der_Lex]

So you're saying things can actually change and be played out differently with Time Travel , but the overall outcome will still be the same ?

Guess we'll just have to watch and see how they play it out.

(I always liked the Back to the Future(2) time travel logic the best.)

No, I'm saying that a time traveler can cause things to happen in the past if they were meant to happen anyway (and you only know if they were meant to happen if they have occurred before the future time that you yourself are from). Time travel in that case becomes a natural and necessary part of the chain of cause and effect, instead of a way to 'break' the rules of time.

[Mex]

Or does he? Remember the previous episode, when Jack asked Ben about Locke being dead? Ben didn't answer, and right after that, the show cut to Hurley's dad watching the show Expose. Remember what happened to Expose guest star and crash survivor Nikki? I might be reading to much into this, but it could be that Locke (with or without the help of Ben) is faking his death with the same spider poison that caused everyone to think Nikki and Paolo were dead, simply because he knows his death will be the only thing that will convince Jack to go back to the island.

Aha!

I like your theory Lex. That makes alot of sense.

What I'm still wondering though is....why would Locke's death be the only thing that could bring them back to the Island?

Like..."Hey guys, Locke died"
"Oh man, WE GOTTA GO BACK!"

I'm not getting it.

[Der_Lex]

Aha!

I like your theory Lex. That makes alot of sense.

What I'm still wondering though is....why would Locke's death be the only thing that could bring them back to the Island?

Like..."Hey guys, Locke died"
"Oh man, WE GOTTA GO BACK!"

I'm not getting it.

The way I see it is that Jack is already starting to realize that leaving the island was a mistake. However, we also know he's pretty proud... so the chances of him going back to the island where he'd have to eat humble pie in front of Locke after their last altercation would still be pretty slim.

However, the death of Locke would A: keep him from having to swallow his pride and B: make him see just how badly he messed up by leaving the island.

Just a theory, of course, but I think it makes sense.

[Stewie]

Aha!

Like..."Hey guys, Locke died"
"Oh man, WE GOTTA GO BACK!"



No it's Oh man WE GOTTA GO BAAAAAAAAAAACK!"

[Mex]

The way I see it is that Jack is already starting to realize that leaving the island was a mistake. However, we also know he's pretty proud... so the chances of him going back to the island where he'd have to eat humble pie in front of Locke after their last altercation would still be pretty slim.

However, the death of Locke would A: keep him from having to swallow his pride and B: make him see just how badly he messed up by leaving the island.

Just a theory, of course, but I think it makes sense.


Interesting. If thats true, it only reinforces my opinion that Jack is a douche. Ha ha. Never liked the character. Could be due to Matthew Fox's acting though. He's pretty much got the same emotion all the time, just to varying degrees.

I want to see a Jack Vs. Locke showdown. Followed by a Kate Vs. Claire Vs. Juliet Vs. Charlotte jello wrestling match.

[Der_Lex]

The fact that she speaks Latin has only increased my love for Juliet. She really is the most awesome female character in Lost.

And there's no reason to leave Sun out of that wrestling match, by the way.

[Mex]

The fact that she speaks Latin has only increased my love for Juliet. She really is the most awesome female character in Lost.

And there's no reason to leave Sun out of that wrestling match, by the way.

Ok Sun can be the ref ;)

I'm partial to Claire though. I think she's gorgeous and that accent drives me crazy.

[TheClashTheClashTheClash]

Hey do you guys watch smolesiuk's recaps on youtube? If not, you should really check them out, he goes into great detail and shows things you might not've caught when you watched it.

[Der_Lex]

I'm partial to Claire though. I think she's gorgeous and that accent drives me crazy.

She has 'Kate syndrome', though: nice to look at, but too whiny and in the end too useless (okay, Kate has some survival/fighting skills, but also a tendency to ignore advice and make really bad decisions). Kate- and Claire-centric episodes were usually the ones that I enjoyed least.

[Stewie]

^^nah I haven't seen them maybe I'll check them out
^Kate and Claire have their moments but aren't my favs

Interesting Lost question from IMDB

"First of all, the off-island scenes are now two to three years ahead of the on-island scenes, correct?

If this is true, then is it safe to assume that it had been two to three years since Desmond left the island at the point the he awoke on the Yacht with his new memory of Daniel knocking on the door? To put it simply, Daniel knocked on the door maybe an hour or so after the O6 left the island, so it was still 2005. Desmond awoke with the new memory some time after 2007. Why did it take so long for the "memory" to be realized by Desmond? Why didn't he just realize it in 2005? I assume he would have been on the raft at that point?

Also, assuming that Ben is trying to reunite them in 2007, then does that mean that the island time jumps are going on for at least two years? I know time doesn't really make sense in this case, but am I making any sense?"
- RoqueC

Interesting theory..

"i had the exact same question... of all the things that are going on with the show, this is the only one that is really puzzling me... it just doesnt make sense for Desmond to not have that memory until three years later... except for it makes for a very convenient cut to him waking up right after we saw Faraday tell him that...

my only theory is that the island-folk are experience time in a different way and that maybe they only experience a few days worth of time-jumps during the three years (which would be physically explainable using properties of time... see the theory of relativity)...

or perhaps the time jumps are causing other side-effects, like that event itself being lost in time for the last three years until it sticks and Desmond remembers it...

there are both kind of stretches... most likely it was just for the convenience of not having to explain why Desmond had that memory sometime in the first few days off the island and yet has done nothing about it for three years."
-pave_43

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/board/nest/128894747

Thoughts?

[Der_Lex]

there are both kind of stretches... most likely it was just for the convenience of not having to explain why Desmond had that memory sometime in the first few days off the island and yet has done nothing about it for three years

I'd have to agree with this.

[Mex]

Hey do you guys watch smolesiuk's recaps on youtube? If not, you should really check them out, he goes into great detail and shows things you might not've caught when you watched it.

Never seen it. But I'll definitely check it out now. Thanks for the heads up.


She has 'Kate syndrome', though: nice to look at, but too whiny and in the end too useless (okay, Kate has some survival/fighting skills, but also a tendency to ignore advice and make really bad decisions). Kate- and Claire-centric episodes were usually the ones that I enjoyed least.

It's true. She doesn't do a whole lot. I'm ok with her being eye candy though.


I'd have to agree with this.

Probably true. But they established last season that time moves differently on the Island. It's sort of already been explained.

[Renrock]

No, I'm saying that a time traveler can cause things to happen in the past if they were meant to happen anyway (and you only know if they were meant to happen if they have occurred before the future time that you yourself are from). Time travel in that case becomes a natural and necessary part of the chain of cause and effect, instead of a way to 'break' the rules of time.

I just found this in a Lost forum , and is exactly whats got me scratching my head.

Richard only thinks locke is special because of this meeting in 1954, where locke tells richard he is the leader and sent by jacob.
Because of this meeting, Richard has watched john grow up, curiously
John comes to the island in 2004 when 815 crashes
Richard now believes that Locke is special - since the 2004 version of locke appeared in 1954.
But (1954) Richard only thinks he is special, because (2004) Locke told him so. (2004) Locke thinks he is special, because (2004) richard told him so...

I guess what im trying to say is, is Locke really special??

[sweet-t310]

I just found this in a Lost forum , and is exactly whats got me scratching my head.

Richard only thinks locke is special because of this meeting in 1954, where locke tells richard he is the leader and sent by jacob.
Because of this meeting, Richard has watched john grow up, curiously
John comes to the island in 2004 when 815 crashes
Richard now believes that Locke is special - since the 2004 version of locke appeared in 1954.
But (1954) Richard only thinks he is special, because (2004) Locke told him so. (2004) Locke thinks he is special, because (2004) richard told him so...

I guess what im trying to say is, is Locke really special??


I think you're missing the bigger question....why hasn't Richard aged at all in those 50 years? :D

[jeccaneko]

I think you're missing the bigger question....why hasn't Richard aged at all in those 50 years? :D

That's his "island power". Just like Locke's island power is being able to walk. Either that or Richard is supposed to represent the island itself. That's all I can think of.

[sweet-t310]

That's his "island power". Just like Locke's island power is being able to walk. Either that or Richard is supposed to represent the island itself. That's all I can think of.

Oh I can think of plenty of reasons, it's just a matter of which one (if any) is right?

[Colt_Steele]

Either that or Richard is supposed to represent the island itself.
Why beat around the bush then? Ricko acts as if he defers to whoever the island chooses as its protector/overseer. If he is an avatar of the actual island then he must be unaware of it or intentionally concealing it from everyone. Something more curious to me than Richard not aging is how he travels to and from the island. The Dharma sub isn't there until the mid/late 70s, but he leaves the island several times in the interim from when 2k4 Locke pays him a visit and the arrival of Dharma. If he can perform some kind of mystical travel then his lack of aging no longer seems as pertinent.

[hmxhenry]

I am always miserable after watching a new episode of Lost, because the minute that episode ends is the longest possible time before the next new episode of Lost.

[Renrock]

I am always miserable after watching a new episode of Lost, because the minute that episode ends is the longest possible time before the next new episode of Lost.

You're preaching to the choir here. :D

[Banky71]

I am always miserable after watching a new episode of Lost, because the minute that episode ends is the longest possible time before the next new episode of Lost.

awww buck up little trooper!

[jeccaneko]

Why beat around the bush then? Ricko acts as if he defers to whoever the island chooses as its protector/overseer. If he is an avatar of the actual island then he must be unaware of it or intentionally concealing it from everyone. Something more curious to me than Richard not aging is how he travels to and from the island. The Dharma sub isn't there until the mid/late 70s, but he leaves the island several times in the interim from when 2k4 Locke pays him a visit and the arrival of Dharma. If he can perform some kind of mystical travel then his lack of aging no longer seems as pertinent.

I dunno. I'm confused about a lot of stuff. Like the fact that we saw Jack's dad, who is supposed to be dead, in Jacob's cabin at the end of last season. He was somehow being Jacob, whoever Jacob is supposed to be in the first place. All we know is he's a mysterious person that Ben and Richard know about and seem to take orders from. Who is Jacob? Who is Richard? Does the island itself have a persona and decide things?

All I do know for sure is that it was awesome finding out a young Charles Widmore used to be an "other".

[Colt_Steele]

Who is Jacob? Who is Richard? Does the island itself have a persona and decide things?

All I do know for sure is that it was awesome finding out a young Charles Widmore used to be an "other".

Jacob, going by one train of thought, is perhaps the avatar of the island you referred to(in the Bible, Ben is the son of Jacob, and one of the show's Ben's early lies was that he was born on the island[although this being a lie is subject to point of view...he may consider himself to have been born in a spiritual sense there]and he views Jacob in an arguably fatherly light).

Richard, if the obvious evoking of his namesake is to be understood as the inspiration for the character, is perhaps the island's oldest retainer and caretaker. The real life Dr. Alpert was a celebrated professor and thinker of his time along with Tim Leary, but Richard converted to Hindu and displayed an unselfish devotion to serving others, much like the show's character.

The bit about Widmore was a shock, and a welcome one. Though this information has caused me more headaches than ever trying to puzzle out the big picture it was nice to see another ray of light crack through the cement wall of the show's plot.

[Mex]

Didn't Faraday say that Desmond CAN change things? Maybe Locke can too. They're both "special"

[Colt_Steele]

Didn't Faraday say that Desmond CAN change things? Maybe Locke can too. They're both "special"

I think you are on to something, at least in a sense. They are special for different reasons. Locke is special in the same kind of way that Ben is/was, being someone who the island believes will shape its destiny. Desmond is special due to the experience he had being at ground zero when the hatch exploded, which Faraday believes dislodged Desmond from the "string" of our timeline.

I think Locke can change the way things will be, but not without the help of those that left(the 6)as well as a little course alteration by Desmond. From the comments made so far this season I think it's reasonable to think that everyone left behind is eventually killed, it certainly doesn't seem like anyone besides Sawyer, Juliet, Dan, Charlotte and Miles are still left besides Locke(poor Frogurt). I'd still like to know what the hell happened to Jin, too.

[Der_Lex]

it certainly doesn't seem like anyone besides Sawyer, Juliet, Dan, Charlotte and Miles are still left besides Locke(poor Frogurt). I'd still like to know what the hell happened to Jin, too.

Bernard and Rose are still alive too, aren't they?

[Colt_Steele]

Bernard and Rose are still alive too, aren't they?
Knew I missed somebody :o
Lost track of them amidst all the landmines.
And Claire as well, presumably.

[hmxhenry]

Bernard and Rose are still alive too, aren't they?

Yes, despite my many angry letters to the producers. :mad:

They should have dropped their storyline as soon as they found Bernard with the Tailies and had him reunite with Rose. As they kill off more and more of the superfluous cast and whittle it down to the core characters, Rose and Bernard won't have a crowd to blend in with anymore and I only forsee them becoming more annoying.

[Der_Lex]

Yes, despite my many angry letters to the producers. :mad:

They should have dropped their storyline as soon as they found Bernard with the Tailies and had him reunite with Rose. As they kill off more and more of the superfluous cast and whittle it down to the core characters, Rose and Bernard won't have a crowd to blend in with anymore and I only forsee them becoming more annoying.

Meh, they never bothered me that much. But who knows, maybe you'll get lucky and they'll be the next Nikki and Paolo, with a grisly death episode? :D

[sweet-t310]

Meh, they never bothered me that much. But who knows, maybe you'll get lucky and they'll be the next Nikki and Paolo, with a grisly death episode? :D

No death will ever beat Arzt.

hehehehehehe (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/9/94/Arzt_Explosives.jpg)

[TheClashTheClashTheClash]

Yes, despite my many angry letters to the producers. :mad:

They should have dropped their storyline as soon as they found Bernard with the Tailies and had him reunite with Rose. As they kill off more and more of the superfluous cast and whittle it down to the core characters, Rose and Bernard won't have a crowd to blend in with anymore and I only forsee them becoming more annoying.

Haha, you really hate them don't you?

To me they are just there...I just wish Charlie was still in the show b/c he was one of my favorites

[billman3000]

who died in the landmine incedent

[Der_Lex]

who died in the landmine incedent

A bunch of redshirts.

[LibertineStripes]

Didn't Faraday say that Desmond CAN change things? Maybe Locke can too. They're both "special"

But, is Locke really "special", or did he create this notion on his own?

[toymachineSH]

IRC conversation follows.

12:16 <toymachine> ok
12:16 <MisterMixelpix> All right, hit me.
12:17 <toymachine> the blonde on the island
12:17 <toymachine> that held Daniel at gun point
12:17 <MisterMixelpix> Yeah.
12:17 <toymachine> her name is Elle or Ellie
12:17 <MisterMixelpix> Haha, I think I know where you're going with this...
12:17 <toymachine> short for elliouise maybe ;)
12:17 <toymachine> the rat
12:17 <MisterMixelpix> Hell yeah.
12:17 <toymachine> Ellie hooks up with Whitmore
12:17 <toymachine> has Farraday
12:17 <MisterMixelpix> Piece that together with the fact that Widmore's there.
12:17 <MisterMixelpix> Yeah.
12:17 <MisterMixelpix> It explains why Widmore funded Faraday's studies.
12:17 <toymachine> yup
12:18 <MisterMixelpix> And why he put him on the team.
12:18 <toymachine> Penny and Farraday are brother and sister
12:18 <EvilByte> ****!
12:18 <toymachine> that's why Penny knew Desmond was lying
12:18 <toymachine> which means
12:18 <toymachine> Farraday's mom is THE RING LADY
12:18 <MisterMixelpix> Mrs Hawking!
12:18 <toymachine> and that's how Ben is going to try to kill Penny
12:19 <MisterMixelpix> Yeah dude, when Widmore said she was in LA? Totally the ring lady.
12:19 <toymachine> and get Desmond back to the island
12:19 <MisterMixelpix> You know what's nutball though? Think about this.
12:19 <MisterMixelpix> Desmond met his mom on the island, right?
12:19 <MisterMixelpix> And told her he was from the future.
12:19 <MisterMixelpix> Then he vanishes in one of those white flashes.
12:19 <MisterMixelpix> Which probably freaked her out and got her obsessed with time travel.
12:20 <MisterMixelpix> Which she passed on to Daniel when he was a kid.
12:20 <MisterMixelpix> Cyclical ****, it blows my mind.
12:20 <toymachine> http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Camhawk.jpg
12:20 <toymachine> check that out
12:20 <toymachine> remember when desmond was at the monastery
12:21 <toymachine> she was keeping tabs on him
12:21 <MisterMixelpix> yeah
12:21 <MisterMixelpix> haha, it's like that thing with Locke.
12:21 <MisterMixelpix> That broke my brain, too.
12:21 <toymachine> yeah why do you think that Locke's mom was so adamant on his name being John
12:21 <MisterMixelpix> Alpert told him he was special and destined to be a leader, but that's only because Locke came back from the future and told Alpert that he was going to be their leader.
12:22 <MisterMixelpix> My guess, right now: Locke is Jacob.
12:22 <toymachine> woah that's crazy
12:22 <toymachine> so Jacob did send him
12:22 <MisterMixelpix> I think he said that to Alpert just to convince him that he was for real.
12:22 <MisterMixelpix> Like, to prove he knew something.
12:23 <toymachine> "Jacob sent me"
12:23 <MisterMixelpix> Yeah.
12:23 <MisterMixelpix> It'll turn out Locke is Jacob. That's my wager.
12:24 * toymachine|thrasher|pass brain explodes

[Fennz]

You guys remember back in Season 3 when Desmond said to Charlie that Claire and Aaron would get into a helicopter and leave the island if Charlie sacrifices himself. Since that'll never happen, I guess Charlie died for nothing. Nice plot hole Darlton.

[Renrock]

Yeah toymachine , it's all been said here.

Still , good stuff though. Can't wait to see more of the puzzle come together.

[toymachineSH]

You guys remember back in Season 3 when Desmond said to Charlie that Claire and Aaron would get into a helicopter and leave the island if Charlie sacrifices himself. Since that'll never happen, I guess Charlie died for nothing. Nice plot hole Darlton.

He definitely didn't die for nothing :P


Yeah toymachine , it's all been said here.

Still , good stuff though. Can't wait to see more of the puzzle come together.

eeek I didn't scroll back far enough- I fail :(

[Fennz]

He definitely didn't die for nothing :P


explain then. He didnt have to die the way he did. He chose to stay in there. I could have ran out the door and shut it before the whole station flooded. The reason he did stay in the room was for claire and aaron to be rescued together, but that never happen. (well, aaron was)

[billman3000]

how is locke alive on the island but dead with jack and ben? are the parts of the island flash forwards still?

[Fennz]

how is locke alive on the island but dead with jack and ben? are the parts of the island flash forwards still?

Jack and Ben's story is present day and the stuff on the island is the flashback (3 years ago title card in the season premire)

[sweet-t310]

2 words can describe my anticipation levels for 8:00 CT tonight:
1)Giddy, and 2)pee-my-pants-excited-to-see-more-Faraday/island-mysteries-unveiled-as-well-as-learning-who-is-tracking-kate-and-aaron-while-hoping-to-have-another-WHAT?!-moment-at-some-point-to-completely-have-my-mind-blown-and-not-let-me-get-to-sleep-for-3-hours-because-of-the-sheer-awesome-sauce

yep, 2 words.

[Fennz]

2 words can describe my anticipation levels for 8:00 CT tonight:
1)Giddy, and 2)pee-my-pants-excited-to-see-more-Faraday/island-mysteries-unveiled-as-well-as-learning-who-is-tracking-kate-and-aaron-while-hoping-to-have-another-WHAT?!-moment-at-some-point-to-completely-have-my-mind-blown-and-not-let-me-get-to-sleep-for-3-hours-because-of-the-sheer-awesome-sauce

yep, 2 words.

I hope kates story is actually interesting. Ever since we found out how she killed her dad back in season two, every centric episode she's had sucked.

BTW, I think i know who is trying to get the blood test on aaron. If you want to know, just look at the guest list for tonight's episode. It's pretty obvious.

[Renrock]

I hope kates story is actually interesting. Ever since we found out how she killed her dad back in season two, every centric episode she's had sucked.

BTW, I think i know who is trying to get the blood test on aaron. If you want to know, just look at the guest list for tonight's episode. It's pretty obvious.

must . . . resist . . . looking at guest lineup for tonight !

[Mex]

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Jiiiiiinnnnnnnn!

Ha ha.

And Rousseau was pretty cute when she was young. Shame what happens to her later.

[TheClashTheClashTheClash]

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Jiiiiiinnnnnnnn!

Ha ha.

And Rousseau was pretty cute when she was young. Shame what happens to her later.

****************Spoiler*************************

Isn't Ben the father of that baby? How is that possible if she was pregnant before she got on the island

[Mex]

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Isn't Ben the father of that baby? How is that possible if she was pregnant before she got on the island

No no. He just raised her as his own.

[LibertineStripes]

Ben reaffirms his title of bad ass after tonight.

[ultimatespidey81]

I hope kates story is actually interesting. Ever since we found out how she killed her dad back in season two, every centric episode she's had sucked.

BTW, I think i know who is trying to get the blood test on aaron. If you want to know, just look at the guest list for tonight's episode. It's pretty obvious.

guess it wasn't all that obvious lol it was ben all along, right under their noses!!

[Wolfbeckett]

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Jiiiiiinnnnnnnn!

Ha ha.

And Rousseau was pretty cute when she was young. Shame what happens to her later.

It's sort of jarring seeing Rousseau when she's still sane! I like it, hopefully they'll be in this time for a bit so she can stick around for a while.

OMFG Jiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnn! Yeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssss!!!

[Renrock]

Ehh , glad to see Jin around , but this was a big filler episode that lacked the "ummpff" the previous 2 had.

[sweet-t310]

Ehh , glad to see Jin around , but this was a big filler episode that lacked the "ummpff" the previous 2 had.

Agreed...wasn't expecting to see Jin pop up, I actually thought the body in the water would be Rousseau, but once Jin appeared, I think it was pretty obvious who it was talking to him.

Curious to see what exactly Sun does next week.

[Banky71]

Ehh , glad to see Jin around , but this was a big filler episode that lacked the "ummpff" the previous 2 had.

I agree with this.

I also find it odd that the boat wreakage didn't transfer through time with the island but some one on said boat did. I hope they explain this.