Nightwish

[St. Michael]

Just wanted to get a feel for other people's opinions of one of my favorite bands. And plz, no "They Suck" comments. If you don't like them cool. Feel free to post that. But just because you don't like listening to them doesn't mean they suck.

[erickOnasis412]

Nightwish is kick ass, it would make for some great dark songs in Rock Band.. i'm not a big fan of the whole singing style they have though, but other than that their music itself is awesome

[polishdog90]

I dont feel that their music style is apropriate for rock band.

[Kylekillgannon]

I dont feel that their music style is apropriate for rock band.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with him/her/it, They have way too much going on to cut down to Guitar, Bass, Drums, and a Singer

[St. Michael]

The only other instrument they have is the Synth and while, yes, They use it ALOT, it depends on the songs. They downplay the synth in several songs.

[Parodygm]

You really want my opinion? Aside from the one song I did kinda like ("Ghost Love Score"), I find the rest of what I've heard to be pretentious operatic metal wank.

I think they would be doable in Rock Band. It's not that far removed from Lacuna Coil.

[verratensie]

honestly, not to sound like a masochist (and hopefully spelling that right) i just can't stand a band where there's a female singer. i can handle drumming, guitar playing, and bass playing, but i just can't stand listening to women singing. possibly due to me growing up being forced to listen to britney spears and other crappy singers, but regardless... maybe it's just because i listen to metal, i want, and like death growling, and raw screaming in songs. clean vocals by guys too are fine (i like stratovarius and blind guardian, two of my favorite bands as a comparison) but i can't stand listening to women sing. once again, trying not to sound like a masochist but.. it's hard not to. plus, their female singer had some serious superiority problems.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

I have no idea what "rock band worthy" means, but Im gonna be honest and blunt. I you don't like Nightwish you SUCK! Plain and simple. Oceanborn is one of the best metal albums. Don;t believe it? Then I'll have to pray for your soul.

Pretentious....I think it's pretentious to think a band is pretentious. Saying something is pretentious means you think you are above it, therefore you are pretentious. A pretty paradoxical stand in my opinion. (Besides, who cares if its pretentious? If it moves you, if it makes you bang your head, who the **** cares!)

verratensie...are you a girl? Is that why you say its masochistic?

How can listening to Britney Spears ruin women singing for you? Britney sucks! Admit it, you just don't like operatic vocals. Yeah, Tarja was a bit of *****, but the ***** sang awesome! Tuomas is the center of the band anyway. Also, there are bands where the female singer doesn't sound femenine at all, so you could try that (early White Skull comes to mind)

[verratensie]

I have no idea what "rock band worthy" means, but Im gonna be honest and blunt. I you don't like Nightwish you SUCK! Plain and simple. Oceanborn is one of the best metal albums. Don;t believe it? Then I'll have to pray for your soul.

Pretentious....I think it's pretentious to think a band is pretentious. Saying something is pretentious means you think you are above it, therefore you are pretentious. A pretty paradoxical stand in my opinion. (Besides, who cares if its pretentious? If it moves you, if it makes you bang your head, who the **** cares!)

verratensie...are you a girl? Is that why you say its masochistic?

How can listening to Britney Spears ruin women singing for you? Britney sucks! Admit it, you just don't like operatic vocals. Yeah, Tarja was a bit of *****, but the ***** sang awesome! Tuomas is the center of the band anyway. Also, there are bands where the female singer doesn't sound femenine at all, so you could try that (early White Skull comes to mind)

First - i'm going to ignore the huge opinionated assholishness of your first post.

Second - I'm a man

Third - i'm 14 years old. i grew up listening to crap singing by britney spears and avril lavigne, this turned me off of women singing faster than listening to llevas polka for 5 hours, i'm not sure why i hated it at the time, but i know that listening to anything by most women singers has an occasional tendency to raise bile in my throat.. Anyway, you have obviously ignored the part of my post where i said Blind Guardian and Stratovarius were two of my favorite bands, as those two bands feature operatic singing almost constantly on their albums.

And yes, i will try finding something by early white skull.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

First - i'm going to ignore the huge opinionated assholishness of your first post.

Second - I'm a man

Third - i'm 14 years old. i grew up listening to crap singing by britney spears and avril lavigne, this turned me off of women singing faster than listening to llevas polka for 5 hours, i'm not sure why i hated it at the time, but i know that listening to anything by most women singers has an occasional tendency to raise bile in my throat.. Anyway, you have obviously ignored the part of my post where i said Blind Guardian and Stratovarius were two of my favorite bands, as those two bands feature operatic singing almost constantly on their albums.

And yes, i will try finding something by early white skull.

The problem with White Skull is that their vocalist was gruff, so while she sounds great...hard to understand her. Their new vocalist is a bit better in that respect.

So if you are a guy...why is it masochistic to not like women singing? Is it because you know you are depraving yourself of greatness such as nightwish that you say you are masochistic?

Operatic metal doesn't exist. Nightwish invented it, and it hasnt been done since. Blind Guardian (my favorite band after gamma ray), and Stratovarius, while highly melodic, are not operatic. You see, you gotta know how to sing opera to sing in an operatic way...

Im glad you find the first paragraph full of *******-ness. That was the intention. If Oceanborn doesn't do anything to you, then you might as well REALLY get into Britney Spears, cuz the metal gods will truly hate you. Heck, even their new album, while very different from Oceanborn, still rocks.

[davidshek]

So if you are a guy...why is it masochistic to not like women singing? Is it because you know you are depraving yourself of greatness such as nightwish that you say you are masochistic?

He obviously meant "misogynistic" not masochistic. In other words, someone who hates women.

And he's 14, give him a break. When I was 14, I didn't know jack about what was good music either :)

[toad3000]

I'd like to see Nightwish in the game. But I think if they added "Wishmaster", I couldn't help but sing the wrong lyrics, as seen here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg5_mlQOsUQ
:D

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

He obviously meant "misogynistic" not masochistic. In other words, someone who hates women.

And he's 14, give him a break. When I was 14, I didn't know jack about what was good music either :)

First of all, your band sounds great! (get me an international date with your singer!!!)

haha Didnt make the connection between words. Not my first language ;)

Yeah I know he's 14...its still troublesome though

[verratensie]

You are incredibly biased. i don't like nightwish, and have never liked them, just because tarja was the singer, and she is a woman. if she played the drums, guitar, or bass, i wouldn't care, but she sings, and i don't like it.

I like operatic singing, and blind guardian does feature this quite often, although you seem to believe otherwise, so i'll say my favorite band is Manowar. And manowar's singer IS operatic, he has in fact even done a cover of Nessun Dorma.




Point in fact: i hate listening to women sing. Regardless of who, i just can't stand it.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

You are incredibly biased. i don't like nightwish, and have never liked them, just because tarja was the singer, and she is a woman. if she played the drums, guitar, or bass, i wouldn't care, but she sings, and i don't like it.

I like operatic singing, and blind guardian does feature this quite often, although you seem to believe otherwise, so i'll say my favorite band is Manowar. And manowar's singer IS operatic, he has in fact even done a cover of Nessun Dorma.




Point in fact: i hate listening to women sing. Regardless of who, i just can't stand it.

Point in fact: you fail at life then.

Dude, opera...you know, Pavarotti? Hansi Kursch is not an opera singer. Tarja is.

[davidshek]

First of all, your band sounds great! (get me an international date with your singer!!!)

I don't think her boyfriend would be too happy about that...

And since I'm her boyfriend, that makes me the not happy one ;)

Glad you like our band tho! :D

[verratensie]

i said operatic, i never said he was an opera singer.

according to dictionary.com the definiton of operatic is:
Operatic

1. of or pertaining to opera
2. Resembling or suitable for opera.
this doesn't mean it's opera, it means it sounds like, or could be considered opera. i don't consider hansi to be an opera singer of course, but his singing is indeed operatic.

and as the most cut+paste thing i can imagine, good music is an entirely subjective term, you like tarja's singing, i don't, i don't really care, and your continued efforts to prove that my opinion on nightwish is wrong is (aside from derailing this thread) incredibly biased from your own opinions on what is and isn't good music.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

I don't think her boyfriend would be too happy about that...

And since I'm her boyfriend, that makes me the not happy one ;)

Glad you like our band tho! :D

Actually, that's supposed to make you the happiest one in the world of men ;)

verratensie, whatever. music isn't subjective, but since life is, you can think whatever you want.

Operatic means its opera. End of story.

[Wangsandsuch]

This band is by no stretch of the imagination good. I hope the singer swallows many stinky turds.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

This band is by no stretch of the imagination good. I hope the singer swallows many stinky turds.

Not liking the music doesn't make them bad, so explain yourself.

Besides, either saying the are bad, or that the music sucks really constitutes insanity. Its true, look it up.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

I've only heard one song by Nightwish, and I hated it (Over the Hills and Far Away). But now that I've seen all the praise I'll check em out.

[logicalnoise]

I've been a nightwish fan since "century child" and eventually got all their albums. They really have a pretty unique turn in their music over the years. They haven't got worse as a band but in effect just different. Their odler stuff remains very true to powermetal. WHile their newer meterial is more rock than metal at times but still very good music. The new singer annette(replacing Tarja) rebalcnes teh vocals with being able to sing in multiple styles and yet still have they quality voice nightwish is known for(she gives up the thuinderous power tarja has). But yeah I've been requesting nightwish songs for rock band for a while. Ghost love score is one of my favorite songs ever but is a bit overlong for RB(there's about a full minute in a half of orchestral build up right in the middle of the song). SO I usually request planet hell or something from a bit earlier. Amaranth would be a great choice for the latest incarnation of the band.

[Leni Pocky]

I'm skipping reading the thread for an opinionated statement - Nightwish has sucked ever since they kicked out Tarja. They were hit and miss (IMO) to begin with, but now...

[bronstahd]

I would easily pay 5x the standard rate for a 3 song Nightwish DLC or *drool* the entire Century Child album.

[Temeriti]

I agree. I would pay through the nose to get the Century Child album, and (close your eyes, Verratensie) since I'm a female singer, I'm clearly either delusional regarding my abilities or deserving of my name.

But in general, I was rather disappointed by Rock Band's lack of female-fronted bands. They have punk crap up the wazoo, but only a few female vocalists there. Where's Evanescence? Within Temptation? Lacuna Coil? Nightwish? Sirenia? Sad pants.

[an1m051ty]

I dont understand why people say "don't put it in rockband dlc." I mean, at that point, its simply don't download it. They should put as much in as possible - the more songs in the more people in general they could please.

That being said Id download nightwish in a heartbeat - I probably wouldn't check the song titles until after i've started the download, lol. Wishmaster would be amazing, as would Planet Hell, Nemo, Kinslayer, Ever Dream, or End of all Hope.

[CaptainHowdy101]

Well, I really dont like Nightwish at all. In fact I dis-like them.

BUT

That dosent mean there should be no Nightwish DLC. They are a totally valid form of music. As is all the dlc currently available. I think they should have Nightwish dlc, to make the Nightwish fans happy. I doubt anyone will download all the dlc available, if not for financial reason, for reasons of not liking the music. So sure, add Nightwish.

[BAoxymoron]

nightwish is a great novelty band and the singing would be great on RB but the music on expert would be like paraniod on easy maybe even easier than that

[Parodygm]

Pretentious....I think it's pretentious to think a band is pretentious. Saying something is pretentious means you think you are above it, therefore you are pretentious. A pretty paradoxical stand in my opinion.

I don't. You are aware that definitions of pretentious extend to "overly flowery", "ostentatious" and "pompous"? Those seem to be reasonable descriptions of how I view that style of operatic metal.

Besides, it's my opinion not a statement of fact. Secondly, the OP asked for our opinions. Lastly, as I stated, I have no problem with them being in Rock Band. In fact in many ways I think they'd be a perfect fit. I just probably wouldn't buy it.

[newwaytodie]

People just don't understand Nightwish. They assume that those who like/listen to them automatically fit into some type of convenient, goth, pseudo-Evanescence mold. As far as Female singers in metal, theres no question that they can hang. Maybe because this kid is only 14 he doesn't realize that Lita Ford and Joan Jett shattered that preconception almost 30 years ago.

Nightwish garners criticism of pretense by those who just don't get that metal can be both powerful and beautiful.

[Temeriti]

Nightwish garners criticism of pretense by those who just don't get that metal can be both powerful and beautiful.

I like you. :D

[Parodygm]

Nightwish garners criticism of pretense by those who just don't get that metal can be both powerful and beautiful.

Oh, I get it. If I'm going to take bands with female vocalists that are powerful and beautiful I'd take My Bloody Valentine, Curve and Cocteau Twins over Nightwish. It's not a matter of understanding, it's purely a matter of not particularly liking it. :)

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

I've only heard one song by Nightwish, and I hated it (Over the Hills and Far Away). But now that I've seen all the praise I'll check em out.

Yes, Over the Hills is NOT the sound they go for, not even on their latest albums. Over the Hills is a B-Side they released on a single. Not an album song.

[Temeriti]

Stay away from Dark Passion Play, too (their latest album). It's very pop and the new vocalist's voice is grating at best.

[Fatal1ty_Reaper]

Eh, Yes please. It would go something like this: I boot up my XBL, go to Rock Band DLC, see a song by Nightwish, fall on the floor hyperventilating. :D

Oh and to the above poster, I agree that "Dark Passion Play" took a little getting used to, but the new singer has a mesmerizing voice and the CD really is quite good, "Bye Bye Beautiful" or "Amaranth" would be spectacular in Rock Band.

[Hell_Kaiser]

it'll be great to sing the poet and the pendulum, i wish i had an angel and some others. NIghtwish is good, not the best but at least i like it

[Temeriti]

Oh and to the above poster, I agree that "Dark Passion Play" took a little getting used to, but the new singer has a mesmerizing voice and the CD really is quite good, "Bye Bye Beautiful" or "Amaranth" would be spectacular in Rock Band.

Mesmerizing? More like nasally. :p

But anyway. Nightwish DLC plz. :p

[Destromas]

I like the new Nightwish album much more than the old stuff I've heard my roommate play. For that reason, I'm going to say that since most people are acquainted with the old music, I'd say no to the rock band eligibility. Also, The guitar is repetitive rhythmic strumming of the same few chords over and over again, which I can't handle listening to. If you like Nightwish, I'd suggest listening to Stream of Passion, Aghora, and To-mera. They would more rock band friendly, and would incorporate more of the elements that make rock band what it is, like more solo sections, drum fills, easy singing and a lack of a double-bass pedal.

[freebird1967]

Original vocalist Tarja has a voice which I suspect most people will either love or hate, and this seems to be borne out on this board.

Personally, I love this band. And those who don't like operatic style vocals may like the latest album, Dark Passion Play, as the vocals are more mainstream and the music generally more diverse.

Definitely a band to divide opinions.

[BumAustin]

i think the most rock band friendly songs would be something like:
master passion greed.
romanticide.
dead gardens.
whoever brings the night.
wish i had an angel
dark chest of wonders (my personal vote)
maybe even for the heart i once had
you know some of the more metaly harder stuff.
i would personally love to see some Tarot stuff in here. (huge marco hietala fan)

[Destromas]

You posted something like this before. Why do you keep asking? Anyway, I said this before: THEY SUCK. Well, the old singer does. I'd take Amaranth on RB, or anything with the new singer.

[Shredder87]

Man, some people will die by their beloved band.

I voted Meh. I remember my ex (We're both metalheads) was checking new bands out, and Nightwish was one of them. Listened to it, threw it out the window, and didn't bother looking for it. Wasn't appealing at all, and I'm not going to give them another chance.

[Chris W92]

In my opinion Wishmaster would be an excellent song to put in Rock Band. I would love to try the drumming and singing!

[xerichx07]

Rock Band Worthy.

[StingRhea]

nightwish - crownless please!

[Sir_Phobos]

I am a huge NIghtwish fan and think both Tarja and Annette are great singers (Annette is a great singer and just gets too much crap because she sounds completely different from Tarja), however, the large amounts of synth and orchestras limit the amount of songs I think that would be good Rock Band songs. They do have some songs that I think would be fun to play though.

Personally if we're going with female fronted metal bands, I'd take After Forever over Nightwish for Rock Band.

[My name is Fez]

I wish when someone didn't like their favorite band, people would realize it's because not everyone likes that sound, as oppoed to "misunderstood."

I'm from the camp that I REALLY like Tarja-Nightwish, and could give two ****s and a **** less about post-Tarja-Nightwish.

But there ARE people that "get" Nightwish and just don't like it.

Also, hating all female singers because they're female and you were exposed to Britney Spears and Avril Lavigne is one of the most closed-minded, dumbass things I've ever heard.

[Dreamflight]

Nightwish garners criticism of pretense by those who just don't get that metal can be both powerful and beautiful.
Of course it can be.

But let's keep in mind that beautiful and powerful can be anything the listener defines it as. I consider music like that of Nightwish extremely beautiful. On the other hand, I can say the same of some technical death metal. Lykathea Aflame and Cynic come to mind here. I'm sure I can say the same for other subgenres, but that's way too much effort.


And those who don't like operatic style vocals may like the latest album, Dark Passion Play, as the vocals are more mainstream and the music generally more diverse.
For these people, I would recommend the collector's edition. It will cost $5 more (oh no!) if you buy it, but what they will be getting for that price is a CD without vocals. Don't like the vocals? Try the music without them, see what happens.


Nightwish is my favorite band, but some klepto took my usual Nightwish-related name. So I resorted to one I wanted to use somewhere.

Moving off the subject of names, I agree with the basic premise that you either like or hate the vocals. There is no in-between with either Tarja OR Anette. Their styles (operatic, relatively mainstream) divide people into one of two camps, simply because they both deviate from the norm. As for the whole vocalist debate? I love both. Even so, Anette is better for the direction that Nightwish is moving in.

As for RB, I'd love to see them. Any song would do, but I'd be happiest with the Oceanborn album.

[Soror_YZBL]

Nightwish is my favorite band, but some klepto took my usual Nightwish-related name. So I resorted to one I wanted to use somewhere.


That and you finally realized that After Forever is a better band?

[HeavyChains]

That and you finally realized that After Forever is a better band?
Just looked up after forever and saw 2 of their songs...not really impressed. Nightwish w/Tarja is far superior! Nightwish w/Tarja used to be my fav band. Now I don't even know or care what's going on with Nightwish w/new singer.

[Lexbas]

Maybe everyone here gets this, but just to be clear... it is not the general sound, or type of music we are wanting, it is the specific songs by the band that people want. For example, I think most of the community would be fairly pissed if RB came out with music by a band that sounded something like metallica, and not metallica itself.


oh, by the way...Worthy!!! :)

[Soror_YZBL]

Oddly enough this thread was rezzed. I had plans to see nightwish in the May, but I just got email that my old guitarist's band is opening for Tarja and I never pass up a guest list invite. I'm such a ho.

[frangrizzlie]

Tarja is just amazing. She has the most beautiful voice I've ever heard in metal. Tuomas Holopainen is one of the best keyboardist of the world. Marco Hietala is a great singer that has contributed in many albums and bands in Finland. Jukka Nevalainen is an amazing drummer (voted the best Finish Drummer). Emppu Vuorinen is a great guitarrist (look at the solo of High Hopes cover, Over The Hills and Far Away or his other band, Firetribe).

Amazing band, specially the dvd End Of An Era. Best concert I've seen in a lot of time.

[KingProgdor]

Bland Power Metal band is bland.

Tarja is better off elsewhere. None of that operatic crap for me thanks.

[zeldazeppelin]

I would love Nightwish in Rockband all the haters are just a bunch of music snobs.
That could be because I listen to mostly power metal and Jpop. I don't see how people can judge other peoples music imho most bands that people like are not for me.
I don't go oh no that band iz teh suxors like most people on this forum. To me its different strokes different folks.

[KingProgdor]

I would love Nightwish in Rockband all the haters are just a bunch of music snobs.

Nothing wrong with expressing one's dislike for a band.

[zeldazeppelin]

Nothing wrong with expressing one's dislike for a band.

Dislike is one thing but sitting there like you are a music god or an almighty music expert is quite another. I dislike/Hate Dream Theater but I don't go around saying they suck.

[TyrionXavier]

Yeah, they'd be a great addition. Ghost Love Score, Wishmaster.. heck, the entire "End of an Era" concert would be tremendous. I know a couple people who are trained opera singers.. they love singing.. and it'd be a riot to hear them belt them out in game.

As to the youg pup who thinks that all music with female lead singers suck, go listen to some Arch Enemy, and perhaps rethink your stance.

I'll get ya started:


Nemesis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9AcG0glVu4
Revolution Begins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PuD3XrF9Hg
Ravenous (my personal favourite of theirs): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7ndTaNhjKA

*devil horns*

[Gowienczyk]

Arch Enemy is one of the worst melodic death metal bands out there, lol.

[TyrionXavier]

Arch Enemy is one of the worst melodic death metal bands out there, lol.

You're right. I don't know what I was thinking. They suck. Amott should have never left Carcass to form this band. Carcass sucks too. When they toured with Slayer and Motorhead - who also suck, since they toured with Arch Enemy and have heaped praise on the band - and I was there in the third row, I was just being incredibly stupid. What was I thinking? I must be a complete loser.

Thank you for changing my musical tastes into what I'm sure is your better opinion.

[Gowienczyk]

That's the thing about opinions.

[back_blows]

You're right. I don't know what I was thinking. They suck. Amott should have never left Carcass to form this band. Carcass sucks too.

Thank you for changing my musical tastes into what I'm sure is your better opinion.

No need to be offended. He's just stating his opinion (albeit phrased poorly) on Arch Enemy. Just as one person can state positives of the band, they should also be allowed to state negatives.

[Soror_YZBL]

No need to be offended. He's just stating his opinion (albeit phrased poorly) on Arch Enemy. Just as one person can state positives of the band, they should also be allowed to state negatives.

Exactly. No matter how wrong they are. AE kicks ass.

[Gowienczyk]

I'm not a big fan of melodic death, to be honest. I mean I like Hypocrisy, At the Gates and maybe some old In Flames but that's about it.

[back_blows]

I'm not a big fan of melodic death, to be honest. I mean I like Hypocrisy, At the Gates and maybe some old In Flames but that's about it.

Do you dig any melodeath outside of Sweden?

[Gowienczyk]

Do you dig any melodeath outside of Sweden?

Into Eternity? (though they crossover with power/prog metal somewat often)

I haven't dug a lot into it.

[back_blows]

Into Eternity? (though they crossover with power/prog metal somewat often)

I haven't dug a lot into it.

Kalmah is basically it for me.

I tend to keep my melodeath Swedish though.

[Gowienczyk]

Kalmah is basically it for me.

I tend to keep my melodeath Swedish though.

Ah, I see.

[michael12348]

I would love nightwish in rb2.Harmonix just needs to get the hint and put some DLC in for nightwish.It would be awsome and besides the drums would be awsome.So hopefully we get some in the future.I really dont care what songs are put in main point nightwish would be epic and a challange.

[Oscar-Rio]

I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with him/her/it, They have way too much going on to cut down to Guitar, Bass, Drums, and a Singer

...? what are you talking about? They have all that plus a keyboardist.

I don't really listen to them, but I have in the past and they just kind of get really stale after a while. And that new singer they have it rubbish. The remaining member, plus her, should have just gone under the banner of a new band name and let Nightwish be a memory for their fans rather than bastardizing the hell out of their original material with some hack-job of a singer.

[Gowienczyk]

And that new singer they have it rubbish.

Don't agree, she's much more suited to vocalize power metal songs. Besides Tarja was horrid and other vocalists outdid "classic nightwish" easily. Kapel Maister, anyone?

[lanky316]

Love the Annie/Tarja hate here. Moral of the story is they shoul just keep Marco singing the lot.

Nightwish will always divide and most people will scream they hate the operatic vocal style so they decided to go for a change (Annie being the only non-opera finalist) now people don't want to change opinion so slate her, despite her having a big range which (almost) equals Tarja's.

Can't work out the hate for the music though, Tuomas is one of the finest composers there is out there now but no one ever seems to fault that, it's just the boys only metal fraternity.

[Der_Lex]

I have to disagree with Anette having a big range there. I'm absolutely fine with Nightwish going for a different sound, but I don't think Anette is particularly talented... her live performances of older Nightwish songs are pretty terrible. Mind you, Tarja's solo work isn't particularly good either... without Tumoas to write songs for her, you're left with pretty bland stuff, as well as a cover of Alice Cooper's Poison that might just be my personal choice for worst cover of all time. The most exciting thing about her live performances these days is her amazing drummer.

I'll have to admit that Nightwish has never been one of my favorite female fronted metal bands, though. In the Tarja years, both Epica and After Forever released material that was far beyond Nightwish' relatively standard power metal fare (that and Floor Janssen blows Tarja away as far as live performances are concerned, saw AF and Nightwish back to back once and AF was definitely the more impressive band of the two), and as far as Annette Nightwish is concerned, there are also several other metal bands out there with 'normal' vocals that are making more interesting albums, like Autumn, Leaves' Eyes or even Delain.

So there are other reasons for not being wildly enthousiastic about Nightwish than being part of the 'boys only club'. For female fronted metal bands, there are simply quite a few better alternatives to Nightwish (check out Lady Siara's huge thread in the YUS section for a good overview).

[Soror_YZBL]

Thanks for the Floor Janssen love, Der_Lex. She's woefully unappreciated and nowadays under utilized.

[Der_Lex]

Thanks for the Floor Janssen love, Der_Lex. She's woefully unappreciated and nowadays under utilized.

If not for my personal obsession with Marcela Bovio, Floor would be my favorite female vocalist in metal. She has an amazing voice and stage presence, and is really nice to boot. I was lucky enough to catch a duet by her and Simone Simons at Metal Female Voices Fest this year, and it really gave me chills (she sang together with Tarja and Doro the night after, which sounded great too, but not quite as impressive).

There's a small sample (http://www.revampmusic.com/media/audio/) of a new song up on the website of her new band ReVamp, by the way. It's still very rough, but I like what I'm hearing.

[lanky316]

It depends when you judge Annie on the old songs, at the Israel gig right at the start I agree. As time goes on though you can see she's worked hard and can do them (live) just as well as Tarja. I certainly agree about Tarja solo, once you get over her voice (after umpteen years the shock has gone) the ghostwritten material just doesn't cut it. Though as said, given the orchestra to play with Tuomas is finally showing just how good his composition is.

Of the list of bands you mentioned though I would still rate Nightwish higher, don't get me wrong I enjoy Delain, After Forever, Within Temptation and so many other bands but none of the others quite gave me the total package despite being good bands. The only band to spark my mind in the same way are Pythia when I caught their debut gig supporting Tarja and blew me away. Hoping they're going to do MFVF next year as part of their foray into Europe.

Oh yes, and that WAS a superb duet!

[Noalwyn]

Second - I'm a man

Third - i'm 14 years old.


Fourth: Not a man if your only 14.. try back in 4 or 5 years.

P.S. Nightwish is an amazing band... Definitely my favourite band, with Billy Talent as a close second. (Yes, I'm aware they have nothing in common... so sue me..)

If you don't like Nightwish, that's fine. I'm not gonna whine and *****, or say you all suck. It's your opinion. But please don't trash the band. If you don't think it's worthy of Rock Band, alright, but lose the hate. No one likes a Troll...

[JoshVanHalen87]

kick ass band its kick ass

with rb3 i hope hmx add some nightwish.

[darkwinterbeast8]

Annette's vocals in Nightwish don't really impress me. Plus every interview I've seen of her, she comes across as a vain, shallow, stuck up B****, which is ironic for that was their reasoning for giving Tarja the boot.

[darkwinterbeast8]

If not for my personal obsession with Marcela Bovio, Floor would be my favorite female vocalist in metal. She has an amazing voice and stage presence, and is really nice to boot. I was lucky enough to catch a duet by her and Simone Simons at Metal Female Voices Fest this year, and it really gave me chills (she sang together with Tarja and Doro the night after, which sounded great too, but not quite as impressive).

There's a small sample (http://www.revampmusic.com/media/audio/) of a new song up on the website of her new band ReVamp, by the way. It's still very rough, but I like what I'm hearing.

Can't wait for ReVamp to drop their album. The rough cuts sound amazing.:cool:

Also, found a video of said duet between Floor and Simone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXRvU_N8Ggg

[clashcityrocker10]

Fourth: Not a man if your only 14.. try back in 4 or 5 years.


Well, seeing as that post is about 3 years old, he's almost at your definition of being a man...

On topic, I haven't been particularly impressed with the small sample of Nightwish I've heard.

[nickj329]

Which Instrument you play? Who are the members of your band?

[darkwinterbeast8]

Can't wait for ReVamp to drop their album. The rough cuts sound amazing.:cool:

Also, found a video of said duet between Floor and Simone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXRvU_N8Ggg

To correct myself, Apparently the ReVamp album did drop and as of now, I'm listening to it right now. Amazing stuff. Maybe the best album of the year thus far (which is quite a feat considering Borknagar and Burzum also released albums this year.)

[mundox]

Why is there no old (Tarja) nightwish in this game yet?!

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

Why is there no old (Tarja) nightwish in this game yet?!

This is not the section to be asking that.

http://www.rockband.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=9

[powert]

Whats better, incredible or Rock Band worthy, because I want to give them the highest rating possible.

[CEEDZ13]

Whats better, incredible or Rock Band worthy, because I want to give them the highest rating possible.

Incredible. Every band is "Rockband worthy." Even the bad ones.

[I_Love_You]

Nightwish is amazing. And now that RB3 has keys and harmonies, I really hope to see them featured at some point.

Really look forward to their next album that they've been... teasing us with descriptions of on the site.

[CJHobbes]

If not for my personal obsession with Marcela Bovio, Floor would be my favorite female vocalist in metal. She has an amazing voice and stage presence, and is really nice to boot. I was lucky enough to catch a duet by her and Simone Simons at Metal Female Voices Fest this year, and it really gave me chills (she sang together with Tarja and Doro the night after, which sounded great too, but not quite as impressive).

There's a small sample (http://www.revampmusic.com/media/audio/) of a new song up on the website of her new band ReVamp, by the way. It's still very rough, but I like what I'm hearing.

I just wanted to say thanks, Der_Lex, for this recommendation. I just listened to the album today and I'll be buying it asap. Floor is an incredible vocalist.

And my personal obsession is for the lead singer of the band in my signature: Sharon den Adel. There's just something beautiful and powerful to her voice, and I think her live singing is even better than her studio work. I just wish WT would tour the US. :(

Nightwish's "Nemo" was actually my gateway into the symphonic metal scene. I found them through Pandora listening to an Evanescence station. I loved Tarja's vocals from the beginning, as it was much different from what I was used to listening to. I'd love to have some of their songs make it to Rock Band. Along with Delain, After Forever, Within Temptation, Sirenia, Lunatica, and anyone else I know I'm missing. Thankfully through RBN I can get my fix with Amberian Dawn.

As far as the Tarja/Anette debate goes, I personally feel Tarja was the better compliment to their sound. I don't sense that Anette has the range or power to evolve their music; and I really, completely, hugely dislike the male vocals on Dark Passion Play. I love the songs where Annette is the primary vocalist, but the other songs really drag the album down as a whole.

[AlexFlame]

I just want Nightwish. I like both Tarja and Annette but I am listening to some of Tarja's songs now. Like Sing for Me. I love that one. But I really hope that Nightwish will come to Rock Band soon. Along with some of Tarja's solo work.

Can anyone give me bands that are like Nightwish? I know of Cryoshell but thats it. Please?

[darkwinterbeast8]

I just want Nightwish. I like both Tarja and Annette but I am listening to some of Tarja's songs now. Like Sing for Me. I love that one. But I really hope that Nightwish will come to Rock Band soon. Along with some of Tarja's solo work.

Can anyone give me bands that are like Nightwish? I know of Cryoshell but thats it. Please?

I would recommend Tristania, Epica, and After Forever to start with.

[CJHobbes]

I would recommend Tristania, Epica, and After Forever to start with.

They're great. I'd also add Sirenia, Amberian Dawn, Delain, Lunatica, Operatika, UnSun, and my favorite: Within Temptation.

Check out this thread started by Lady Siara. It has a lot of info about female fronted metal, along with sample songs: http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77404

[Darkhawkhwo]

Now that Rock Band has the keyboards, bands like Nightwish and Sonata Arctica should start appearing in the game. Granted, the vocals for Nightwish songs might be tough to pull off, but they have some rocking guitars! I refuse to purchase any more DLC until some Nightwish shows up in the store.

[ShAd0w2010]

I'd love to see some Nightwish in ROck Band. I've only heard a couple songs, but I very much enjoy their style.
I'd love to see Over The Hills And Far Away in the game (If only so I could drum it XD)