[unOfficial]Double Bass Thread

[superpunkgohan]

Yeah this is probably a dumb idea and pretty useless, but I'm tired of being on these boards and in every thread, no matter WHAT thread it is, someone posts about how if RockBand doesn't have a double bass pedal they're going to start World War 3. So I'm creating a thread to talk about a double bass pedal option specifically, because I hate trying to read threads and being interrrupted with random DB posts.

So, my thoughts on double bass:

As a drummer, I think it would be fun to incorporate double bass in the game, but at the same time (and I read someone else say this earlier), I think it would discourage some non-drummers from playing. It would be impossibly difficult for some people I'm sure, and I think it's going to be hard enough following along with the other notes, much less trying to analyze a double-bass pattern in a song. Any song that used some sort of kick beat that wasn't a steady double-bass pounding seems like it would make the game twice as difficult.

I think people are forgetting that this is a game and it's meant to create maximum enjoyment while being realistic enough to give you the sensation of playing without being an actual simulation. Sure, when you play drums on hard and expert you're really playing drums, but adding double bass would make it incredibly difficult for non-drummers and could lead some people to stop playing the game. Personally, I can't play guitar to save my life, so if all of a sudden a game came out with a guitar peripheral that had five rows up buttons that spread across the entire neck, I'd probably try a few times, fail, and then curse Harmonix for releasing a game that was so realistic that I couldn't have fun.

I'm not trying to make enemies, I'm just saying that I think for a lot of people, adding double bass would give the game LESS appeal by making it too realistic. So, to end my rant, I'll say this: be thankful that Harmonix is taking the steps to making this as realistic as possible without making it IMpossible. If you want to play double bass so bad, then go get on a real drumset.

[Weebs43]

Fo sho.

People need to realize it's just a game, and it's just for fun, not for simulation.

[MasterTick]

I agree 100%, besides, double bass would make the drummers screen too crowded.

[TheRocker]

Fo sho.

People need to realize it's just a game, and it's just for fun, not for simulation.

A Very Fun One Indeed

[logicalnoise]

well I'm not demanding it be required but I mean the HO-POs do nothing but make the game easier and more realistic. If HMX intends on getting some real metal in here or hel even hard rock a double bass pedal would be great. Even if it required me to buy and extra pedal I'd buy it because thats how you play certian metal songs with double bass bouncing. Obviously I haven't played rock band yet but I did own drummania for a while and that game was a pain to play because they'd have this fast bass beats and only one cheap pedal to pound to bits.

Plus who says they have to map each pedal seperately they can both regiter the same signal to the game just you personally have an easier time with faster rhythms. and in reality if the pedal is passively powered we might be able to canabalize a second drumset to use two pedals. You know make a ghost pedal wired into the same signal loop.

[SacroCuore]

well I'm not demanding it be required but I mean the HO-POs do nothing but make the game easier and more realistic. If HMX intends on getting some real metal in here or hel even hard rock a double bass pedal would be great. Even if it required me to buy and extra pedal I'd buy it because thats how you play certian metal songs with double bass bouncing. Obviously I haven't played rock band yet but I did own drummania for a while and that game was a pain to play because they'd have this fast bass beats and only one cheap pedal to pound to bits.

Plus who says they have to map each pedal seperately they can both regiter the same signal to the game just you personally have an easier time with faster rhythms. and in reality if the pedal is passively powered we might be able to canabalize a second drumset to use two pedals. You know make a ghost pedal wired into the same signal loop.

I agree. I think that Harmonix loves 2B, but Rock Band is in his starter, maybe in future... (i hope).

If you like 2B, here's my 2002's work on drums. ;)

http://www.spoilshroud.com/The%20Next%20Configuration.mp3

[logicalnoise]

I agree. I think that Harmonix loves 2B, but Rock Band is in his starter, maybe in future... (i hope).

If you like 2B, here's my 2002's work on drums. ;)

http://www.spoilshroud.com/The%20Next%20Configuration.mp3

Indeed some nice double bass beats. I wish it fit with my own music but hey I just throw a switch instead of pumping my own legs.

[sushi111]

I think doubke bass would be too much too. This game is not a sim, its a fun game. I think 5 drum pads would work, but two bass pedals is way too much.

[logicalnoise]

I think doubke bass would be too much too. This game is not a sim, its a fun game. I think 5 drum pads would work, but two bass pedals is way too much.

How? It;'s the exact same thing as double strumming only with your feet. You don't have to do it but for steady long streams it completely helps you.

[superpunkgohan]

How? It;'s the exact same thing as double strumming only with your feet. You don't have to do it but for steady long streams it completely helps you.

It's not the exact same thing as double strumming. When you sturm up and down you're just moving one hand up and down--most people can do that. But with double bass you add a whole separate pedal and use a completely different foot. That's gonna mess a lot of people up. For it to be the exact same as double strumming, you'd have to somehow have the pedal register hits both when it hit the ground and at the peak of its motion. Using two feet requires a lot more coordination.

[logicalnoise]

It's not the exact same thing as double strumming. When you sturm up and down you're just moving one hand up and down--most people can do that. But with double bass you add a whole separate pedal and use a completely different foot. That's gonna mess a lot of people up. For it to be the exact same as double strumming, you'd have to somehow have the pedal register hits both when it hit the ground and at the peak of its motion. Using two feet requires a lot more coordination.

I don't see it that way but I do concede that some can feel that way(to me it's just as awkward to double strum as it is to do double bass). Either way I'd wish it to be an option cause once people get good with the drum section of the game they'll be wanting a double bass setup to help with accuracy.

[defmonkey]

Wow, using 2 feet is gonna mess alot of people up?

If everybody would pat their head and rub their tummy at the same time and then rotate the tummy rubbing counter clockwise.... If you have problems with that, then oh well.

I think Double Bass should be in it.

If you want metal, then you want DB.

And I think it would only be necessary to use DB for Expert and some Hard songs. Most DB sections are short. Well the songs I listen to.

[Acerag127]

i dont see why it cant/shouldnt be incorporated into the game in some way. harmonix is mentioning that if people can play the songs on expert, they can play real drums, and if you can play real drums, then using a double bass is no more difficult than using a high hat. whenever my friend and i would switch from drums to guitar and vice versa in real life, even i could do double bass, but i could never get down the high hat all the way. but i digress, they could always do somethin like they did for jordan if push comes to shove - put the insanely difficult stuff in a bonus section where beating the "game" doesnt require you to beat that particular song. and they can "ease" it into how you play the songs much like youre "eased" into solos from hard to expert difficulty. not sayin you have to go straight into playing 3 minute blast beat death metal on drums, but more simple, shorter double bass sections until it gets to full speed. wow, sorry that was kinda long

[xCHRISx]

i dont see why it cant/shouldnt be incorporated into the game in some way. harmonix is mentioning that if people can play the songs on expert, they can play real drums, and if you can play real drums, then using a double bass is no more difficult than using a high hat. whenever my friend and i would switch from drums to guitar and vice versa in real life, even i could do double bass, but i could never get down the high hat all the way. but i digress, they could always do somethin like they did for jordan if push comes to shove - put the insanely difficult stuff in a bonus section where beating the "game" doesnt require you to beat that particular song. and they can "ease" it into how you play the songs much like youre "eased" into solos from hard to expert difficulty. not sayin you have to go straight into playing 3 minute blast beat death metal on drums, but more simple, shorter double bass sections until it gets to full speed. wow, sorry that was kinda long

Lots of people 'think' they can play double-bass, but you're really playing horrendously out of time, and it shows. I think all the non-drummers asking for double bass are seriously underestimating the extra amount of skill it requires.

Anyway, I don't think there will be double bass in Rock Band. They have to save some new features for the sequel, and it's a great way to introduce new gameplay dynamics and a higher difficulty level in Rock Band 2 without forcing you to buy a whole new peripheral. Buy the extra pedal for $20 and it plugs into a port on the original drumset. My money is on this option.

I think if they *do* put double bass in Rock Band and throw in some faster Every Time I Die songs or Dillinger Escape Plan or something you guys will all realize just how hard it really is, especially when your other 3 limbs are already moving at breakneck speeds. ;)

[superpunkgohan]

Wow, using 2 feet is gonna mess alot of people up?

If everybody would pat their head and rub their tummy at the same time and then rotate the tummy rubbing counter clockwise.... If you have problems with that, then oh well.

I think Double Bass should be in it.

If you want metal, then you want DB.

And I think it would only be necessary to use DB for Expert and some Hard songs. Most DB sections are short. Well the songs I listen to.

Yes, using two feet will mess a lot of people up. Believe it or not, not everyone in the world is coordiniated enough to play double bass without some heavy practice, especially people like non-drummers who will be learning to play drums through the game.

Also, just because a song has double bass doesn't make it metal, and vice versa. Metal can be played without double bass. Granted, a lot of songs sound better with it, but it's not necessary. And, odds are if the songs you listen to have short DB sections, then you're not listening to real metal.


they could always do somethin like they did for jordan if push comes to shove - put the insanely difficult stuff in a bonus section where beating the "game" doesnt require you to beat that particular song. and they can "ease" it into how you play the songs much like youre "eased" into solos from hard to expert difficulty. not sayin you have to go straight into playing 3 minute blast beat death metal on drums, but more simple, shorter double bass sections until it gets to full speed. wow, sorry that was kinda long

Yeah, I agree with that. Don't get me wrong, I think it would be awesome to have it, but I think it would make the game more inaccessible to the general public. If it was an option, and you didn't have to master it to beat the game and put the crazy tracks as bonus tracks then sure, I'd love to have it. I just think that for the same reason Harmonix chose to only incorporate 5 buttons to simulate the five strings on a guitar (simplicity and playablility), they will likewise do the same when it comes to double bass. Plus, I don't think it would be worth it to include an extra pedal when I'm assuming the majority of the songs in the game won't require DB. Still, I'm hoping just like you are. I'm just trying to see it as Harmonix would and therefore not get my hopes up. I'll still be stoked just to play it as-is.

[SacroCuore]

Anyway, I don't think there will be double bass in Rock Band. They have to save some new features for the sequel, and it's a great way to introduce new gameplay dynamics and a higher difficulty level in Rock Band 2 without forcing you to buy a whole new peripheral. Buy the extra pedal for $20 and it plugs into a port on the original drumset. My money is on this option.
Good; My money too. :cool:

[NitrosDragon]

Oh COME ONE, you guys.

Seriously, this CAN be compromised.

We add an extra pedal, that registers as a double bass or a high-hat stomp.
We don't need two rows for bass, depending on the players choice of arrangement, either pedal would register as a bass hit. They can decipher the alternation themselves.

I was thinking it would work like the guitar effects. The extra pedal would be custom as far as use goes, where it would be able to do a multitude of things, like a bell, congo, high-hat, and another bass pedal.

I think you guys are making this too complicated.

-Ethan

[defmonkey]

Yes, using two feet will mess a lot of people up. Believe it or not, not everyone in the world is coordiniated enough to play double bass without some heavy practice, especially people like non-drummers who will be learning to play drums through the game.

Also, just because a song has double bass doesn't make it metal, and vice versa. Metal can be played without double bass. Granted, a lot of songs sound better with it, but it's not necessary. And, odds are if the songs you listen to have short DB sections, then you're not listening to real metal.

Well, if Harmonix is saying that if you could play drums on expert you could play drums in real life. I think they would have to take that statement back, because you do use 2 feet nevertheless. Whether its Double Bass or Bass and High Hat.

And real Metal? Megadeth, Metallica, Mastodon, Shadows Fall, Trivium and Children of Bodom I guess isn't considered real metal?

If you really listen to those bands, some the DB sections are usually no longer then 7 seconds long. Sounds like a Machine Gun then goes into a different beat then back into Machine Gun Control.


We add an extra pedal, that registers as a double bass or a high-hat stomp.We don't need two rows for bass, depending on the players choice of arrangement, either pedal would register as a bass hit. They can decipher the alternation themselves.

That was basically the same thing I was thinking. You see the green bars coming down screen. It'll just be alot of green bars at one time. You can do whatever you feel is right by going right then left or left then right. Like struming up then down or down then up when you alt strum.

This isn't really hard to imagine.

[NitrosDragon]

Well, if Harmonix is saying that if you could play drums on expert you could play drums in real life. I think they would have to take that statement back, because you do use 2 feet nevertheless. Whether its Double Bass or Bass and High Hat.

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That was basically the same thing I was thinking. You see the green bars coming down screen. It'll just be alot of green bars at one time. You can do whatever you feel is right by going right then left or left then right. Like struming up then down or down then up when you alt strum.

This isn't really hard to imagine.

I guess I'm not the only guy around here with some decent thinking skills and common sense. I'd give you a cookie, but they don't have an icon for it. So here's an ASCII guitar for you.

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Rofl, I did my best (in two minutes).

-ND

[IbanezBassist_v2]

I say why complain. Adding two bass pedals will only add price to an already costly game. Although it may be a great idea to maybe have it as an add on at a later date. Don't you think that they have already had this as an option?