Petition for "no 3-strikes" code: 3 year olds like to play too!

[BiffMan]

I fully understand the need for the 3-strikes and you fail system in the game and under any sort of normal play condition, that's just wonderful and I have no problem with it. But if I'd like to play just for goofs with my daughter, well she's just over 3 years old and she's not really going to be keeping up on the drums as well as she'd need to in order to not get booted, often in short order.

So rather than have to tell her to go away because daddy's playing right now or explain to her how it's okay that we never finish a song and that the crowd booing and the players looking mad/sad isn't her fault, etc, is there any reason that we can't have a code to turn that off?

Go ahead and disable saving or high scores or whatever when it's active like is done with the song unlock code, but please add something like that in because I'd be perfectly happy playing with my daughter if we could just get through a song. And no, she's clever enough to know if the controller is unplugged or if she doesn't have a fretboard up there, so no use going that route. She has to think she's playing or she's gonna rip the guitar out of my hands if it's obviously working and her instrument isn't...

[HoboJoe]

My son is 4 and he absolutely loves bangin on the drums. I think that'd be a great idea about not making scores count and what not.

On release day, I had my neighbors over to play and their 7 yr old daughter came too. She rounded out the 4th player but didnt have the skills. We failed each time and I could just see her just kind of shrink away because she knew it was her fault. I felt kinda bad but we kept at it...and kept failing but we had fun for the most part.

[DesiredFX]

Yeah, that is kind of a shame, especially since they come so close to doing that stuff.

You can practice...but not as a band...

It would be simple to just put in a cheat that set you up not to fail out at all, but didn't allow you to use it in the "serious" modes.

[HoboJoe]

maybe like "you're just the filler till the headline hits the stage" mode. maybe only allow the cheat on quickplay/party mode???

[SoulScreme]

My roommate and I were also hoping for a "no fail" option where you can just keep playing. Would be a nice way to practice as a band too. Should your three year old be listening to these songs? I just envision her hearing In Bloom and running around saying "nature is a whore."

[Rock_Starman]

Well based on the history of Harmonix it's already in the game but it won't save.
Based on the history of EA they're going to charge for it as a download...and it still won't save,that'll cost another $1.50. :p

[HoboJoe]

all the more reason to only allow the "cheat" on quick play. you can choose the songs...

My son asks my wife "Mommy play "can we climb this mountain? I dont know..." (When you were young by the Killers- my wife absolutely LOVES that song)

[DesiredFX]

Here's a question: do your children actually need to be playing the game, or is it enough to bang on the drums or twang the guitar so they FEEL like they're playing with Mommy and Daddy?

[Conner Malvecino]

Here's a question: do your children actually need to be playing the game, or is it enough to bang on the drums or twang the guitar so they FEEL like they're playing with Mommy and Daddy?

I think at 3 years old, they can tell the cause and effect of hitting a drum and something responding on the screen so they have a sense that they are or are not participating....fortunately and unfortunately.

For my 4 year old, she knows when we purposely tuned out the drums so we 'dont fail' and believe me we hear it from her during the song...and guess what, we fail anyway because she's bugging us every 4 seconds to turn the drums on.

[ZkDotNet]

My roommate and I were also hoping for a "no fail" option where you can just keep playing. Would be a nice way to practice as a band too. Should your three year old be listening to these songs? I just envision her hearing In Bloom and running around saying "nature is a whore."
Haha... my kids play (they're nine). They have a band with a friend who does vocals. I'm totally waiting for when I'll have to answer the question what a whore or slut is.

And nevermind the fact that I downloaded Moonage Daydream and ***** is in the lyrics.

But, if they're not singing, they'd never even realize whore or slut was sung. (Rock 'n rollin' ***** is a bit too obvious.)

[Conner Malvecino]

But, if they're not singing, they'd never even realize whore or slut was sung. (Rock 'n rollin' ***** is a bit too obvious.)

My 6 year old says all the time during the start up splash screens, "Rated T for Teen."

Man, I'm a bad father.

[DesiredFX]

For my 4 year old, she knows when we purposely tuned out the drums so we 'dont fail' and believe me we hear it from her during the song...and guess what, we fail anyway because she's bugging us every 4 seconds to turn the drums on.

I understand.

We managed to fool a three-year-old into thinking she was playing the game when she was just watching the trailer. This wasn't intended to be cruel: she always panicked when she was actually playing the game (it was Spyro) and she'd run close to an enemy...she hated getting hit.

So for a while she was happy "playing" the trailer. Eventually, she started playing the game and before long was smoking it like a net full of salmon.

[HoboJoe]

My son would just "play" with the guitar when GH was played. we just left it unplugged. He would just jump around and do some moves. He has surprisingly good stage presence w/ the guitar.

Drums will help w/ the hand/eye coordination.

[NattyLight]

I fully understand the need for the 3-strikes and you fail system in the game and under any sort of normal play condition, that's just wonderful and I have no problem with it. But if I'd like to play just for goofs with my daughter, well she's just over 3 years old and she's not really going to be keeping up on the drums as well as she'd need to in order to not get booted, often in short order.

So rather than have to tell her to go away because daddy's playing right now or explain to her how it's okay that we never finish a song and that the crowd booing and the players looking mad/sad isn't her fault, etc, is there any reason that we can't have a code to turn that off?

Go ahead and disable saving or high scores or whatever when it's active like is done with the song unlock code, but please add something like that in because I'd be perfectly happy playing with my daughter if we could just get through a song. And no, she's clever enough to know if the controller is unplugged or if she doesn't have a fretboard up there, so no use going that route. She has to think she's playing or she's gonna rip the guitar out of my hands if it's obviously working and her instrument isn't...

Is this a joke? This game isn't for three year olds. Let your kid play with legos and stuffed toys. This is ridiculous.

[MJDoja]

Is this a joke? This game isn't for three year olds. Let your kid play with legos and stuffed toys. This is ridiculous.

alls i can say is lol.

people will argue either side.

[barbasol]

My 4 year old does drums on practice mode at 50% speed. He's surprisingly good. We did the same with GH2. I've often wished that there was a super-easy/baby mode.
Having the practice mode support multiple instruments would be nice.

[HoboJoe]

any activity where I can include EVERYONE in my family is most definitely not a joke. I could care less what my online rank is, or what my percentage is when I'm playing w/ my family. Its about having fun and the memories you're making.

I have a feeling you dont have kids, Natty. I think every parent in here can see where I'm coming from.

I mean look at the threads about how RB was the holiday hit over the Thanksgiving holidays... good times and memories...

[NattyLight]

any activity where I can include EVERYONE in my family is most definitely not a joke. I could care less what my online rank is, or what my percentage is when I'm playing w/ my family. Its about having fun and the memories you're making.

I have a feeling you dont have kids, Natty. I think every parent in here can see where I'm coming from.

I mean look at the threads about how RB was the holiday hit over the Thanksgiving holidays... good times and memories...


Have you never played any video game? ((.999% of video games are not made with 3 year olds n mind. I don't see how you can be upset that this game isn't any different. This game was made for normal video game players.


and it's I couldn't care less. In this case an expression which originally meant “it would be impossible for me to care less than I do because I do not care at all” is rendered senseless by being transformed into the now-common “I could care less.” Think about it: if you could care less, that means you care some. The original already drips sarcasm, so it’s pointless to argue that the newer version is “ironic.” People who misuse this phrase are just being careless.

[Ventura]

Christmas is coming. Buy them a musical activity set or something. Seriously. It's not Rock Band's job to help you parent your toddler, just because you want to be able to play more.

While it probably wouldn't phase the rest of us in the slightest having this kinda feature added, it's something I'd hope isn't very high atall on Harmonix's agenda.

[HoboJoe]

excuse me for my error. I see that the breakdown of my post is to retaliate for the post that you might have taken offense to...

Let me apologize for coming across as trying to flame you. I am sorry. I wasnt intentionally trying to.

Now, the initial subject of this thread was to possibly insert a "cheat" so that you can continue playing w/out the 3 strikes rule. I am not "upset" that this game is not geared towards my 4 year old. Now way at all am I upset. This was a good idea to remove the 3 strikes rule for that purpose- not just for a toddler, but as a "party" feature where someone's never played it before, or easy mode or something to that effect.

After reviewing the whole post, maybe "petition" might not have been the best subject line.. maybe "suggestion" would fit better.. I've noticed "petition" is looked upon as a whine.. I'm kinda new to forum posting and such so plz excuse my ignorance. I dont want to come across as whiner.. I just thought it was a good idea for the cheat.


Have you never played any video game? ((.999% of video games are not made with 3 year olds n mind.

Oh and by the way... I dont think ((.999% is an actual number...wink wink... :D

[stickshady2007]

While I'm a firm believer that the fan cap in bwt needs to be adjusted. In my humble opinion if there were not a 3 strike rule then there would be a one strike rule like gh and I hated that. I understand i have a 4 yo that like to try and play too I just go to practice mode and let her goof off. I play on medium guitar/bass bout to start learning songs on hard my wife sings on expert and neither of us can drum to save our lives lol. I guess what I'm saying is 3 strikes made it easier and not harder for the majority and believe it should stay as is. Please no hate spam I understand your point.

[NattyLight]

excuse me for my error. I see that the breakdown of my post is to retaliate for the post that you might have taken offense to...

Let me apologize for coming across as trying to flame you. I am sorry. I wasnt intentionally trying to.

Now, the initial subject of this thread was to possibly insert a "cheat" so that you can continue playing w/out the 3 strikes rule. I am not "upset" that this game is not geared towards my 4 year old. Now way at all am I upset. This was a good idea to remove the 3 strikes rule for that purpose- not just for a toddler, but as a "party" feature where someone's never played it before, or easy mode or something to that effect.

After reviewing the whole post, maybe "petition" might not have been the best subject line.. maybe "suggestion" would fit better.. I've noticed "petition" is looked upon as a whine.. I'm kinda new to forum posting and such so plz excuse my ignorance. I dont want to come across as whiner.. I just thought it was a good idea for the cheat.



Oh and by the way... I dont think ((.999% is an actual number...wink wink... :D

I meant, 99.9%. Even if I actually I mean .999%, its' still a number.


There's not reason to remove the failure option. All games have it so that if you're not good enough, yo don't get to pass. I don't see why we should change it to suit your snot nosed kid. Why do you needed to lie to it anyway? The reason the crowd is booing is because junior can't play the right notes. Just tell him. Why do you have to lie to your offspring to make them feel better. Stop babying them and introduce them to reality. in reality, if you're not good enough, you either practice or you stay crappy.

[RokBand]

Change the "girl" to "me" and "3 years old" to "piss drunk" and yeah I can't agree more, I'd love to see a no fail option. Especially with singing. Don't really think I'll be able to hold a note nor will want to exert a ton of concentration during a night of drinking when all I wanna do is belt out some sweet tunes.

I don't think the OP is complaing, more of suggesting/hoping for. And for all you saying blah blah if you're not good enough don't play blah blah, it would be a CHEAT! The point of cheating is you don't have to be that good.

And why the heck is there no band practice mode? Really dissapointing...

[HoboJoe]

I meant, 99.9%. Even if I actually I mean .999%, its' still a number.


There's not reason to remove the failure option. All games have it so that if you're not good enough, yo don't get to pass. I don't see why we should change it to suit your snot nosed kid. Why do you needed to lie to it anyway? The reason the crowd is booing is because junior can't play the right notes. Just tell him. Why do you have to lie to your offspring to make them feel better. Stop babying them and introduce them to reality. in reality, if you're not good enough, you either practice or you stay crappy.

I know exactly what you meant by 99.999%... it was a J O K E ... I was hoping you'd get that. <shrug>

See, this is what I'm talking about... no reason to call my kid a "snot nose". Sorry dude, I lost all respect for what you have to say when you resort to name calling and such... c'mon...

I never said that it needs to be removed completely from game. I agree w/ Stickshady. Its saved my wife and me numerous times too. I just simply agreed that it could be a good idea for MULTIPLE reason to have cheat- not just for toddlers to join in... thats it... Sorry if I ruffled feathers. Dont know how it got to that point. Some get my point, some dont. I'll leave it at that...

[HoboJoe]

Change the "girl" to "me" and "3 years old" to "piss drunk" and yeah I can't agree more, I'd love to see a no fail option. Especially with singing. Don't really think I'll be able to hold a note nor will want to exert a ton of concentration during a night of drinking when all I wanna do is belt out some sweet tunes.

I don't think the OP is complaing, more of suggesting/hoping for. And for all you saying blah blah if you're not good enough don't play blah blah, it would be a CHEAT! The point of cheating is you don't have to be that good.

And why the heck is there no band practice mode? Really dissapointing...

That might be the solution right there- band practice mode.

[Brane Ded]

Is there a single suggestion for this game that isn't plagued by people trying in to veto it? Ridiculous when you consider that it's up to Harmonix, not them, and a lot of times like in this case, the change wouldn't even affect their little world.

I honestly don't see what the problem is with this. If it was implemented as a cheat, it would disable any type of scoring or saving, achievements, etc. It would mainly be for drunks or small children. Anybody else would just be wasting their time using it. I think it's a good idea.

[ZkDotNet]

Is there a single suggestion for this game that isn't plagued by people trying in to veto it? Ridiculous when you consider that it's up to Harmonix, not them, and a lot of times like in this case, the change wouldn't even affect their little world.

I honestly don't see what the problem is with this. If it was implemented as a cheat, it would disable any type of scoring or saving, achievements, etc. It would mainly be for drunks or small children. Anybody else would just be wasting their time using it. I think it's a good idea.
Or small child drunks!

[xCHRISx]

I meant, 99.9%. Even if I actually I mean .999%, its' still a number.


There's not reason to remove the failure option. All games have it so that if you're not good enough, yo don't get to pass. I don't see why we should change it to suit your snot nosed kid. Why do you needed to lie to it anyway? The reason the crowd is booing is because junior can't play the right notes. Just tell him. Why do you have to lie to your offspring to make them feel better. Stop babying them and introduce them to reality. in reality, if you're not good enough, you either practice or you stay crappy.

Some positive reinforcement in a child's life is a good thing. It seems like you suffered from a lack of it growing up, judging by your attitude. I don't see how having a cheat to turn off failure has any ill effects on anyone if it disables saves/leaderboards/scoring. It would basically be a 'jam' mode.

Who cares if the kid can't hit 20% of the notes; if she's having *fun* while doing it, that's the main goal. Enabling her to play a song fully, instead of having to restart all the time, just makes more sense instead of hindering her enjoyment.

[rosie_187]

Children shouldn't be allowed to have fun. They should be too busy cleaning chimneys and mining coal.

[Brane Ded]

Children shouldn't be allowed to have fun. They should be too busy cleaning chimneys and mining coal.

Now that's good parenting. :)

[HoboJoe]

Or small child drunks!

or just small drunks.... Remember Minime on Surreal Life???Classic!!! :D:D

[logicalnoise]

I'm quite sure there's a no-fail cheat it just hasn't been found/released yet.

[Damaged]

My 2 1/2 year old loves to try and play the drums, she wants to be part of the fun when everyone else is playing. I tried leaving them unplugged, but she knows that something should be on the screen and gets mad. I had a funny moment when the tv show Yo gabba gabba (kids show) had a guy from the Aquabats showing kids what drums are. She picked up her little chair and sat in front of the RB drums and started following along. It was awesome, and she was even trying to hit the kick.

So I would totally be in for a "never loose" option / cheat to play with my little girl.

It has been done before btw. GH1 yellow, blue, orange, orange, blue, blue, yellow, orange = Rock meter will always stay green. I let her try that too. I think she got 3% one time, but had fun doing it.

[ShadowOfEden]

That would be like asking Nintendo to make the platforms not moving in a certain stage in Mario Galaxy. Yeah, Mario Galaxy might be fun for a 3-4 years old, but it's perfectly normal that they cannot complete a stage : there's not the target audience. You could always play in practice. You don't earn anything, but you can miss any notes that you want.

[metz]

You could always play in practice. You don't earn anything, but you can miss any notes that you want.

Except that you can't practice as a band, only individuals. I agree with the OP. I would love for my wife, my two kids(ages 5 and 3), and I to play all together, but as it is right now, we can't. If there was a band practice mode, that would be perfect.

[sawyer7as]

Except that you can't practice as a band, only individuals. I agree with the OP. I would love for my wife, my two kids(ages 5 and 3), and I to play all together, but as it is right now, we can't. If there was a band practice mode, that would be perfect.

i dont have kids, i dont want them yet, but not jsut for kids what about people who terrribly suck too? i don't. but i rememebr reading a post about people wanting there to nto be trhe bass pedal in easy. well if there was a band practice mode you wouldnt nee to worry bout them hittin it.

NattyIce, Natural Ice is a gross cheap beer. Best used in dorm to get sorority girls drunk. Kudos to you sir lol

[BathTub]

There's no band practice? seems a bit of an oversight.

[RB41]

If you really want your toddler to actually play and for the group to get through the song, let him/her sing. Set the the MIC volume on 100% sensitive. Turn up the TV volume. All they really need to know is the chorus. If they stumble, give a little help with the vocals, remember the Mic is pretty sensitive with the adjustment. I also believe that the Tv volume may aid vocal by feeding back into the Mic. I found that my 5 year old and I were able to make it through a few easy songs doing it this way.

[ShadowOfEden]

Except that you can't practice as a band, only individuals. I agree with the OP. I would love for my wife, my two kids(ages 5 and 3), and I to play all together, but as it is right now, we can't. If there was a band practice mode, that would be perfect.

Really? I didn't know that. Then should definetly add this, not only for the topic at hand, but to practice a song as a band. If you're with a bunch of friends and you all have problems with a song, why do 4 practice sessions while you could have only one?

[MJDoja]

game, rated T for Teen.

its really harmonix's fault.

[Bakkster]

There's no band practice? seems a bit of an oversight.

There was a debate about this before release. It broke down into two camps:
1) Should be band practice mode to play without the chance of failure, and to actually practice as a band (like bands do)
2) There shouldn't be band practice because it's extraneous and shouldn't be necessary.

I assume the mode was left out because it was lower on the priorities list.


game, rated T for Teen.

its really harmonix's fault.

Le sigh.

This isn't like the fan-cap thread (please don't flame me, let me explain). In that thread the request was to change a gameplay mode to make it more accessible. This thread is asking for a cheat code that allows less skilled players to complete songs to make the game more accessible. The fan thread got whiny, this one isn't. Nobody wants this enforced, nor do they want to change the current mechanics of the game. They simply made a suggestion that I certainly agree with.

Will it happen? Maybe not. Do people have to be snarky about it? Only if they're trolls. Sorry to single you out, but wrong place, wrong time.

[MSFTsucks]

My daughter is 3 and she LOVES playing the drums, while my 2 yr old son likes the guitar. All I do is start single player and tell them both to play w/ the music. They think they're doing something, but really I'm the only one playing. Haven't heard them complain yet, so the illusion seems to be working so far.

Igorance, truly is, bliss. :)

-MSFTsucks

[Nate Finch]

I don't have kids but I can totally see the appeal, and having a no-fail mode would be ridiculously easy to code. This would also be great for introducing the game to non-gamers.

For all you parents out there, please ignore the ignorant bastards who get affronted when anyone tries to make a game that appeals to a wider audience. I think most reasonable people would agree that this is a great suggestion, and would love to see 4 year olds rocking out.

-Nate

[MJDoja]

There was a debate about this before release. It broke down into two camps:
1) Should be band practice mode to play without the chance of failure, and to actually practice as a band (like bands do)
2) There shouldn't be band practice because it's extraneous and shouldn't be necessary.

I assume the mode was left out because it was lower on the priorities list.



Le sigh.

This isn't like the fan-cap thread (please don't flame me, let me explain). In that thread the request was to change a gameplay mode to make it more accessible. This thread is asking for a cheat code that allows less skilled players to complete songs to make the game more accessible. The fan thread got whiny, this one isn't. Nobody wants this enforced, nor do they want to change the current mechanics of the game. They simply made a suggestion that I certainly agree with.

Will it happen? Maybe not. Do people have to be snarky about it? Only if they're trolls. Sorry to single you out, but wrong place, wrong time.

you can call any opposing opinion trolling. but i dont care bout your 3 year old, and i never knew that this game was advertised as easy and fun for everybody of all ages? everybody gets all huffed up and entitled feeling cuz they got a little diaper-wearing kid or a family member who sucks at video games. Yeah welcome to the world of everybody, get them on easy drums or have them sing, or u know maybe dont play video games that require timing and a shade of coherence while youre drunk off of your ass.. that can help similarly.

with the whole "my kid looks up at me like daddy, why can i pway" thing.. come on man.. who cares? ROCK BAND or Fisher Price Bang-a-drum? if your kid is smart enough to know his controller isnt plugged in, and cares enough, but cant comprehend how to actually play.. well then i dont think its rock band's fault.

they can still jam out to the music, and thats the #1 important part of the game. but whatever, throw your ideas around and act like your thread is off limits. threads get whiny because people cant just accept the state of the game (theres a suggestions thread). when there is no OFFICIAL COMMENT from harmonix, it becomes that whatever the popular majority opinion is vs. "anybody who dare talk about my little 3yo boo-boo bear!"

[J-Rock]

I agree with the OP too. I have a 4 years niece and when she sees people play Guitar Hero of course she wants to play too. At that age, she knows if the guitar is plugged in or not. All Guitar Hero games have a "no fail" code. When it's on you can't play in carreer mode. So my niece and I can play a few songs together in quickplay cooperation and have fun instead of paying half of the songs because my niece can't play through them.


I even actually like it for myself. It gives me the chance to play through some songs on expert and see what they are like on a higher level of difficulty. I couldn't be able to play "Freebird" on expert otherwise .

[NattyLight]

I know exactly what you meant by 99.999%... it was a J O K E ... I was hoping you'd get that. <shrug>

See, this is what I'm talking about... no reason to call my kid a "snot nose". Sorry dude, I lost all respect for what you have to say when you resort to name calling and such... c'mon...

I never said that it needs to be removed completely from game. I agree w/ Stickshady. Its saved my wife and me numerous times too. I just simply agreed that it could be a good idea for MULTIPLE reason to have cheat- not just for toddlers to join in... thats it... Sorry if I ruffled feathers. Dont know how it got to that point. Some get my point, some dont. I'll leave it at that...

"Snot nosed" offends you? Does your kid not produce mucus? Don't they indeed have snot in their nose? Why would an accurate statement be name calling?

[DesiredFX]

"Snot nosed" offends you? Does your kid not produce mucus? Don't they indeed have snot in their nose? Why would an accurate statement be name calling?

Weakest.

Comeback.

Ever.

Seriously, you're trying to imply that using the term snot-nosed was not intended to be derogatory.

How about I take you to downtown Memphis and you use a certain n-word, then tell them it wasn't intended to be derogatory.

[NattyLight]

Never mind, you guys are so right. I've got a newborn baby and she just loves the music. The guitars should be made to respond perfectly to the slappings of her hand. It's not fair that HMX made a game that wasn't accessible o newborns. Everybody knows that this game was advertised to literally all ages and not just to the group that played GH.

[NattyLight]

Weakest.

Comeback.

Ever.

Seriously, you're trying to imply that using the term snot-nosed was not intended to be derogatory.

How about I take you to downtown Memphis and you use a certain n-word, then tell them it wasn't intended to be derogatory.

It's not a comeback and I wasn't implying anything. I came right out and said what I meant. It's a factual statement. It's like you getting made because I tell you your crap stinks. People are too sensitive here. I guess I should expect it from somebody who thinks it's a problem that this game is too hard for toddlers.

[Shayde21]

This would be a great option. My kids really want to play the drums, and the 4 year old fails horribly.

He's not happy just playing Bass.

Don't know if it is possible, but this is a great family game, and it would be really nice.

[topperharley]

I'm quite sure there's a no-fail cheat it just hasn't been found/released yet.

I thought I found one once when I was doing drum Solo Tour. After the stage screen loaded but before the song started playing I was double hitting random pads (as I tend to do) and it appeared as though the crowd meter never moved during the song.

But, if it were really a cheat, I doubt it would have counted that song as a "success".

And no, I don't remember what pads I hit, or in what order... ;)

[InuHanyou1701]

I know exactly what you meant by 99.999&#37;... it was a J O K E ... I was hoping you'd get that. <shrug>

See, this is what I'm talking about... no reason to call my kid a "snot nose". Sorry dude, I lost all respect for what you have to say when you resort to name calling and such... c'mon...

I never said that it needs to be removed completely from game. I agree w/ Stickshady. Its saved my wife and me numerous times too. I just simply agreed that it could be a good idea for MULTIPLE reason to have cheat- not just for toddlers to join in... thats it... Sorry if I ruffled feathers. Dont know how it got to that point. Some get my point, some dont. I'll leave it at that...

I think I saw you said you were new to forum posting so if so, welcome to the forums. People are pretty rude here so you might want to brace yourself for that. Some, like Natty, don't have the maturity to contribute to a topic without insulting people purposely. I think the cheat is a good idea especially for a learning curve for children but I think also another thing you could do, and I hope you don't take offense to this, is sit your child down and let them play from Easy on up. I mean I know they're young (Sorry I don't want to say the wrong gender! :o ) but it's a VERY good way for them to learn the basics and up. As for who the game is geared toward? People the game is geared toward whoever will pay for it and play it. Get off your high horses. If your kid wants to play, a good parent will not say no and make them go do something else. My 9 year old cousin and I play it ALL the time. She's not very good but I really don't care. What matters is that you're having fun. When you're a parent (She's living with me for a long term amount of time. Long story) or taking care of a young child for a long period of time then you will understand. Until then I'd suggest you not call our kids "Snot nosed brats" because, to be honest, you're just describing yourself. Again HoboJoe. Welcome to the forums.

Edit: Also, I think I saw somewhere that, just like with the Hyperspeed cheat, Harmonix has said that they don't ever intend to include it in the game because they want to make it "The most realistic music making experience to date"

[sonicbrew]

As a father, and I honestly mean no offense to the parents in this post; I would steer children clear of TV and video games at such an early age. There are far better things to occupy a small child that are educational. Buy a real instrument to get them started. We had this discussion on another forum and one mother claimed that video games create agility and sharpen senses.

Another parent chimed in and asked what good that would do for a child when they reach age 10 and weigh 250lbs. Although there may be some hand to eye coordination skills learned there is also the ability for carpal tunnel and other syndromes. I have raised two teenagers that recently graduated and have a newborn due in January. This was a very well thought out and planned pregnancy.

My gaming will cease to a slow crawl when she arrives. It won't be about what I want anymore but what is most appropriate for my child. As a 30+ year veteran musician, I will try to get her interested in a real guitar or instrument. I just think that one of the biggest problems with obesity in our country (USA) is simply from trying to have other things micro manage and babysit our children.

Kids need to be outside and playing, seeing nature, expanding the mind. Heck, recent studies show that all these so called educational video devies and videos are even detrimental to a child's progress. Now the experts claim that children should steer clear of TV and such until at least the age of five and then in very small doses.

I never had to be told this with my other two girls however. They are both healthy because outdoor activities too precedent over the couch potato syndrome. So my suggestion is to get outside and play with and interact with your children and find positive reinforcements for them. They have plenty of time to video game far into their future. having children is a blessing but sometimes we forget that we can no longer remain selfish and we must put our children's best interest far above our own.

I have been a long time gamer far back to the BBS pre WEB days but I never let it take over my ability to father my children appropriately. I am not suggesting in any way that the parents here are doing this; I am speaking merely from my point on this.

[Julio_No_Mas]

Rock Band is rated Teen. Don't complain if your kid sucks at a game that's not even meant for her.

[Frederf]

This looks like a perfect use for:

1. Band Practice Mode
2. Never-fail Cheat
3. Both

[Conner Malvecino]

Now that's good parenting. :)

They should learn how to clean their room first then have privileges such as jammin to Rock Band with mom and dad. I still feel that Rated T for Teen also goes beyond just subject matter but playability. The manufacturer shouldn't have to adjust features just to cater outside of this rating so I myself am accepting of this.

[Damaged]

It's amazing how many grown adults are worried about somehow sullying the image or purity of a game by allowing a child to play it. I think every parent here knows this game was not targeted at our 2-4 year olds, and it's entirely possible that Harmonix did not even think that a child could be interested in even trying.

It appears however that the children are interested in at least joining in on the fun with the rest of gang, and based on that new data it is being suggested that an alteration could be made to somehow allow that interaction to occur. I really do not see how that can offend anyone.

I also fail to see how allowing a child to "play" with others in this manner is somehow damaging their psyche. I would think that any damage that could be done is in excluding them, not letting them participate.

It's also my opinion that people who try to brand as "bad parents" anyone who isn't tearing their child away from a videogame and placing them outside with a bowl of whole grain granola are simply trying to make themselves somehow superior and that smugness really does undercut their whole argument.

As parents we understand there is a balance of inside and outside play, and take appropriate measures.

[Supergeek]

Wow, we even got a guy telling people how to parent their children.

While I agree that there are a lot of children being mis-parented in all countries, I don't think ANYONE here has a right to call out parents for thinking it might be fun to play Rock Band with their kids. Telling someone they are being bad parents for wanting it is narrow-minded.

Having a "no fail" or "band practice" mode is a SUGGESTION based on some people wanting a super-easy mode for VARIOUS reasons, and I totally get it.

Get off your freaking high-horses, people! I don't think anyone is saying the game is broken because it lacks this feature, or we were promised it, or anything else. It would be a nice addition, and wouldn't be too hard to add. It's pretty low-hanging fruit.

[MSFTsucks]

Damaged & Supergeek...

Thanks for typing all that so I didn't have to!!!

-MSFTsucks (proud, and GREAT father to two psyche well-adjusted indoor/outdoor kids). :D

[sonicbrew]

Wow, we even got a guy telling people how to parent their children.

While I agree that there are a lot of children being mis-parented in all countries, I don't think ANYONE here has a right to call out parents for thinking it might be fun to play Rock Band with their kids. Telling someone they are being bad parents for wanting it is narrow-minded.

Having a "no fail" or "band practice" mode is a SUGGESTION based on some people wanting a super-easy mode for VARIOUS reasons, and I totally get it.

Get off your freaking high-horses, people! I don't think anyone is saying the game is broken because it lacks this feature, or we were promised it, or anything else. It would be a nice addition, and wouldn't be too hard to add. It's pretty low-hanging fruit.

You obviously didn't take the time to read my post did you? I was very careful how I worded things and I specifically stated several times I didn't mean to offend anyone and this were my opinions. This is a freaking forum board and posted my personal opinion along side others. it's one thing to disagree with me but I did not come off as if I was on some high horse. Why I even waste my ****ing breath is beyond on me....

Let me give the most simplest of answers that I should have given in the first place. The game is rated teen, enough said...

[DesiredFX]

My kids really want to play the drums, and the 4 year old fails horribly.

He's not happy just playing Bass.


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZING!!!!

[Supergeek]

You obviously didn't take the time to read my post did you? I was very careful how I worded things and I specifically stated several times I didn't mean to offend anyone and this were my opinions. This is a freaking forum board and posted my personal opinion along side others. it's one thing to disagree with me but I did not come off as if I was on some high horse. Why I even waste my ****ing breath is beyond on me....

Let me give the most simplest of answers that I should have given in the first place. The game is rated teen, enough said...
Your post was insulting to all good parents everywhere, by implying they have no ****ing clue how to parent their own children, regardless of the "no offense" and "just my opinion" disclaimers.

If I said, no offense, this is just my humble opinion, but your post was a waste of your time to make and my time to read because what you posted was horribly obvious to any parent that cared about their child and had two brain cells to rub together ... would you still be ticked off, even though I made those prefacing comments?

[MJDoja]

Your post was insulting to all good parents everywhere, by implying they have no ****ing clue how to parent their own children, regardless of the "no offense" and "just my opinion" disclaimers.

If I said, no offense, this is just my humble opinion, but your post was a waste of your time to make and my time to read because what you posted was horribly obvious to any parent that cared about their child and had two brain cells to rub together ... would you still be ticked off, even though I made those prefacing comments?


how DARE you talk about my child! you cold-hearted animal.

[dshiznat]

well good luck getting her good

[Apples]

Thanks for weighing in, everyone. I'm sure that they've heard our opinions on this matter. This is turning into too much bashing though, so I'm afraid that a lock is necessary.