Rap sucks, continued...

[nathanp]

I felt that I had to continue on that ridiculously lame poll and actually bring a decent perspective to this dumb debate.

I skimmed through several pages of that pervious thread and let me say, I've never seen so many musically close minded people in my life.

I've seen a lot of arguments about terrible rap lyrics and computer generated beats, etc. All I got to say about that is oh, f'real?! Not really though. If you're going to hold rap to the now-a-days mainstream music, you got to do the same for rock/punk/emo/goth. With so many bands doing recordings on separate master recordings, how much of it do you think is unedited? Cutting it up, using certain parts, redoing only certain parts and pasting them on that said part. How many bands actually do "live" recordings to put on their CD's?

I don't know how many bands I thought sounded great on CD, till I actually heard them live and was just disappointed. Same thing goes for rap.

Quick little history lesson on the history of rap MUSIC, it started off with an Emcee and a DJ. The DJ would "sample/cut up" melodies from another song and place it on top of a break-beat, etc mash it up, mix it up… A DJ is playing an instrument, the turntables, this a debate all on it's on. The "man" is doing the same thing to rap what they did to rock. Producers taking the place of the DJ, still not necessarily a bad thing… takes away from the "feel"/aesthetics.

Lyrically speaking, I've seen rap offer more. Multi-syllabic rhymes (gangstarr - above the clouds), amazing spoken words (sage francis - mullet), stories told so well it gives you the chills (immortal technique - dance with the devil)… That's only just to name a few.

I'd rather not listen to grown men/women crying/singing about there ex's, cheating boyfriends and girlfriends, spouses that don't love them enough, about how so and so doesn't understand them, how mother didn't love them enough, how papa didn't give them enough attention, how lonely they are, how they have some weird interest in warlocks and wizards and the moon and the stars aligning.

Lyrical content doesn't make them bad, just something I don't actively listen too. Also it doesn't take away from the production value as well. There's a lot of good MUSIC on both sides of the spectrum.

It doesn't help that modern rock music suffers the worse from the "loudness wars" horrible compression and in some cases, clipping. Ugh. Music like that is best fit for background noise.

In my opinion they both bring different things to the table, rock, well composed live beats/melodies and rap brings lyrical content.

Imperfect sound forever (http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/weekly_article/imperfect-sound-forever.htm)

Like I said though, I've never seen so many musically close minded people in my life. :rolleyes:

[newwaytodie]

Yeah, I'm not musically closed-minded bro... Just because I appreciate music that is complex, and mentally stimulating. Not repetitious, ignorant, racist, sexist garbage.

[Fathoms]

You really shouldn't be so suprised to find so much hostility towards rap on a rock message board. With that said, it's unquestionably a valid genre and to judge it from a perspective of ignorance really isn't giving it's just deserves. You are right to point out that music general become very processed and with that comes certain advantages and disadvantages. Records are being made in both rap and rock that would have never been possible ten or twenty years ago, but with that you don't get a lot of performance oriented records, and a lot of mediocre acts hit up on these genius producers who are able make them seem more talented than they actually are. The best bands are able to balance both live and the studio.

[lithiumkc]

Yeah, I'm not musically closed-minded bro... Just because I appreciate music that is complex, and mentally stimulating. Not repetitious, ignorant, racist, sexist garbage.

SHOOT TO THRILL
PLAY TO KILL
TOO MANY WOMEN,
TOO MANY PILLS


Man, that's just violent, sexist, drug-abusing lyricism right there. Must be rap. OH WAIT, that's AC/DC.

Face it. YOU DO NOT LIKE RAP. But you put yourself on a pedestal such that you act as if any genre or thing you don't like is immediately no-talent crap. Sorry. Your opinions are not the final word, and your musical tastes do not determine what is and is not skillful or talented based on what YOU think sounds good.

[Jixzer]

That's one of the reasons I like country so much. More often than not, what you hear on the disk is what you will hear from the stage. Not to say that there isn't any digital assistance, but it's in the minority.

I'm no fan of rap. Honestly, I consider "sampling" as stealing and a complete lack of imagination (that goes for all genres, not just rap, but that's where it's most prevalent). However, that isn't my main reason for disliking it. It' not that I think those guys/girls are talentless because I know I sure as hell can't do it. I don't like the message most rap artists send out. Most (not all) is all about fast money and fast women, and they make it look or seem easy. The music industry is NOT easy, in any format. Until more kids realize the music videos are not real life the better...but I'm not holding much hope.

[erickOnasis412]

the thing that upsets me the most is that when people simply DO NOT like hip hop/rap - they feel the need to try to prove that it's "not music" or it "takes less talent"

the narrow-mindedness boils down to that.. if you hate rap music, then you hate rap music.. end of story.. if you hate rock music, then you hate rock music.. end of story.. if you hate pop, techno, country, emo, alt rock, whatever - then you just hate it.. you aren't any better than somebody who likes those genres, so you don't need to go into paragraphs of WHY [insert genre here] takes less talent or isn't music.. nobody cares about your ignorant, narrow-minded views

just let people listen to what they want.. it's really not that hard of a concept.. if they don't like what you like, then just move on with your life and have a good day :D

[HMXJohnlok]

I feel really uncomfortable letting this debate go on. Arguing over things that are "good" and stuff you like is possibly one of the most useless arguments you can have. I have no problem discussing the history of rap, or music, or anything like that. What I have a problem with is genre-bashing, personal attacks, and the back-and-forthing about what is "good" and what is "music."

I guess that's an official "warning." Let's keep this about about music and history - not about good and bad and bashing, please.

[Eman311]

I'm not a fan of rap in general, but I certainly feel there are soem good rap songs out there.


311 is often defined as rap/rock, so you should guess where I stand on this matter.

[DoctorWho]

A lot of you are MISSING THE POINT!!!

"Great" artists and "great" songs are made great from their originality. Where does the originality stem from, CREATIVETY!

I turn on the radio to any top 20 station and all I hear is the same crap recylcled with a different "hot" beat and another crappy "singer" going through some sort of Vox Box with double/tripled vocal tracks laid down. Worst of all, they didn't even WRITE the material!

Today's music is not about art, creativety, or anything remotely close resembling someone's passion to create something great. It's about money, girls, and NOTHING to do with talent or creativety.

If a rap "artist" creates a "track" that samples a classic song that someone else passionetly wrote and loops it over and over through the whole song, is that creativety?

You know why I consider myself someone who appreciates music? It doesn't matter WHAT it is, so long as it stems from the heart and sparks creativety it has to be appreciated. There are many artists that I don't care to listen to but respect them for being talented.

I don't understand what has happened to "music" nowadays in the US, but its getting out of control terrible. Rap/HipHop is the worst possible example you could use to classify "music".

[erickOnasis412]

A lot of you are MISSING THE POINT!!!

no, you missed the point.. quit trying to tell people what "music" is.. not everybodys going to like what you tell them to like, so quit trying to tell people what's right or wrong to listen to

and please don't get started on this whole "creativity" issue.. hip hop and rap IS music, it's just a different genre than something YOU like.. if you don't like that - then just don't listen to it.. is that honestly so hard to understand? quit trying to tell people what is and what is not music, just because YOU don't like it..

and if you hate what's on the radio, get Sirius.. there you go, problem solved

[Farrah]

Rap and Hip Hop wasn't always as horrible as it is now. There was a time where Rap told stories of harder times and real life issues. The struggle of being an African American
in an oppressed society. You get the greats like NWA and 2pac. Nowadays, the poetry that rap once was, is full of "Soulja Boy" and "Buy you a drank" crap that poisons the masses.
Anyone who loves music in general should agree, that today's standard of rap has been diluted by pop.

[DoctorWho]

no, you missed the point.. quit trying to tell people what "music" is.. not everybodys going to like what you tell them to like, so quit trying to tell people what's right or wrong to listen to

and please don't get started on this whole "creativity" issue.. hip hop and rap IS music, it's just a different genre than something YOU like.. if you don't like that - then just don't listen to it.. is that honestly so hard to understand? quit trying to tell people what is and what is not music, just because YOU don't like it..

and if you hate what's on the radio, get Sirius.. there you go, problem solved

Why not get started on the whole "creativety" thing? That IS THE POINT! Modern "rap" is terrible, and is contributing to the decline of the youth in America not to mention utterly promotes violence is the worst possibly way. Other posters are right, Rap USED to be good and USED to stand for something! When one rap song sounds exactly like the next its lost its relavence.

I agree completely with the original OP, keep real music alive! Rap sucks, period.

[erickOnasis412]

there ARE underground hip hop and rap artists out there today that still make good music

everything ON THE RADIO today is diluted by pop to be honest.. not just rap.. the music that you hear on radio today is primarily being pushed to 14 year old wanna be Laguna Beach girls.. not that everything you hear on the radio is terrible, but if you're looking for what you call "real music" then you should've known by now that these top 40 stations on the radio is not the place you really want to go to

[DoctorWho]

there ARE underground hip hop and rap artists out there today that still make good music

everything ON THE RADIO today is diluted by pop to be honest.. not just rap.. the music that you hear on radio today is primarily being pushed to 14 year old wanna be Laguna Beach girls.. not that everything you hear on the radio is terrible, but if you're looking for what you call "real music" then you should've known by now that these top 40 stations on the radio is not the place you really want to go to

Agree completely! However "rap" and "hiphop" are currently defined by most as what is on the radio and the top 40 stations. Thats what the majority of the population are buying/pirating/listening to. It makes me angry more than anything else, because there are SO many artists that are making great music that aren't getting credit!

**This is the last post for me in this thread, I missed the HMXMember's post midway with the warning. I agree these discussions should be held in general as this doesn't relate to Rock Band! I won't troll the forums of "GhettoSupaStarr" once the game is released!**

[nathanp]

You can thank the capitalistic pigs, for portraying rap on the TV's and radio waves as a violent, gangster, fast money, drugs etc for portraying it as that. Because there the ones giving money to these so-called "artist" to promote their music. To lease their cars and mansions to fake that image. Meh, people with half a brain… well not necessarily, I mean people who aren't ignorant about the industry/culture know that there is no money made in rap music. It's made off of the merchandising, the "branding." etc Unless you're Jay-Z or Sean "Puffy" Combs, who are 'real' business men.

Look at the progression of Rock N' Roll, "Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll" Not any better than the image than the way current rap is being portrayed.

As a sub-culture, rap/hip hop, on a whole is a positive movement. Take a look at the thriving and continually growing underground hip hop/rap community. Google, hip hop awareness. The roots of hip hop/rap a culture created out of the worst living conditions in America, when street gangs were growing, and was created as a substitute for violence. A positive environment, ways people can have friendly competitions, i.e. break dancing, dj, freestyle, and graffiti competitions.

Really, though, All I'm trying to break the stereotype that people have set forth for rap because of what the TV and Radio is telling them.

People should really be taught that, what you see on TV and hear on the radio should be taken with a grain of salt.

I haven't listened to the radio in years, and hearing some cats naming tracks of the radio and say they appreciate "real music," what the hell are you doing listening to the radio? 98% of the airwaves, are controlled by record labels, paying the stations to play certain songs.

Common - The 6th Sense


I start thinking, how many souls hip-hop has affected//
How many dead folks this art resurrected//
How many nations this culture connected//
Who am I to judge one's perspective?//
Though some of that **** y'all pop true it, I ain't relating//
If I don't like it, I don't like it, that don't mean that I'm hating//
I just want to innovate and stimulate minds//
Travel the world and penetrate the times//
Escape through rhythms in search of peace and wisdom//
Raps are smoke signals letting the streets know I'm with 'em//
For now I appreciate this moment in time//

[TheKT]

Rap and Hip Hop wasn't always as horrible as it is now. There was a time where Rap told stories of harder times and real life issues. The struggle of being an African American
in an oppressed society. You get the greats like NWA and 2pac. Nowadays, the poetry that rap once was, is full of "Soulja Boy" and "Buy you a drank" crap that poisons the masses.
Anyone who loves music in general should agree, that today's standard of rap has been diluted by pop.


there ARE underground hip hop and rap artists out there today that still make good music

everything ON THE RADIO today is diluted by pop to be honest.. not just rap.. the music that you hear on radio today is primarily being pushed to 14 year old wanna be Laguna Beach girls.. not that everything you hear on the radio is terrible, but if you're looking for what you call "real music" then you should've known by now that these top 40 stations on the radio is not the place you really want to go to



Both of you hit the nail on the head.

Most of the music on the radio, is just not music. It's just not very imaginative at all. Hip-Hop, Pop, Pop-Rock, they're all the same in that it's just made to sell crap. I like all forms of "music". I like 80's hip hop, Snoop, Dre', some Eminem, 2 Pac, and numorous other rap hip/hop artists. And I enjoy them because there is meaning and a message that they're trying to get across, and whether or not I agree with that message, I still respect them as musicians/lyrists whatever you wish to call them. I do not, however, repect artist that sing about a new dance that they've made up (basically anything that has a dance that goes with it are asinine in my opinion). So does rap suck? No. Do I like all rap? No. We just have to be open-minded about music. There is good music in all genres. If you music bashers actually sat down and listened to all the music from all the genres, you would enjoy a song or two from each one. Be it rap, pop, or even *gasp* emo. I garentee it.

[erickOnasis412]

We just have to be open-minded about music. There is good music in all genres. If you music bashers actually sat down and listened to all the music from all the genres, you would enjoy a song or two from each one. Be it rap, pop, or even *gasp* emo. I garentee it.

that basically sums it all up right there!!

[GattzDaBerzerk]

This thread is comedy lol. I never thought I would see a rap thread on rock band...either way I think most people are so blinded by their stereotypical perception of a specific genre, that they don't take the time to find the gems. There are artists out there that have a positive message and understand that this particular genre in question (rap)can be used to do just as much good as bad(i.e. kanye west), just like any other type of music. Music in general can be destructive depending on the audience and the message. Kids are easily influenced, and artists need to take responsibility for their products.

And for God's sake if u think that rap/hip hop is so horrible then get on a label and make some good $@%! for the kiddies out there to listen too. The real issue here people is LYRICAL CONTENT.

Gattz out

[Julio_No_Mas]

Rap from 1970-199(when Biggie died) does not suck.

[capnhowdy69]

Why do any of you care who does or does not like rap on a freakin ROCK BAND forum? For real. These are opinions. OPINIONS! You guys are going back and forth just flaming each other instead of having a discussion about anything. Personally I hate rap. The only rap I listen to happens in my car and ONLY because I have subs and ONLY a few songs. For the most part the music doesn't seem very complex to me and I don't like the vocal style. It has nothing to with not taking talent or being unimaginative. If you think rap is so unimaginative and talentless then give it a shot. Fact is you guys just don't like it because your friends or whoever doesn't. Make up your own mind and quit being ******ed.

[GattzDaBerzerk]

Why do any of you care who does or does not like rap on a freakin ROCK BAND forum? For real. These are opinions. OPINIONS! You guys are going back and forth just flaming each other instead of having a discussion about anything. Personally I hate rap. The only rap I listen to happens in my car and ONLY because I have subs and ONLY a few songs. For the most part the music doesn't seem very complex to me and I don't like the vocal style. It has nothing to with not taking talent or being unimaginative. If you think rap is so unimaginative and talentless then give it a shot. Fact is you guys just don't like it because your friends or whoever doesn't. Make up your own mind and quit being ******ed.
coz ur not flaming (?_? ; ) lol
I do love rap myself, but honestly im more of a beat whore. If it has a sick beat, regardless of genre im on it. I can alwayz make my own words if the ones from the song suck. Granted u do have a good point about this thread...why is it here. I'll tell u why, coz none of us have real lives.Thats why.

[FrshChees]

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[Tagsrover]

For real people come on here talking about how ****ty modern rap music is ( I completely agree) and that it's all the same and recycled..., but can't the same be said for a top 20 alternative rock station. It's not like non-rap music isn't being recycled and going through all the same stuff too? So rappers can't talk about their ex's and whatever and rock can just because you like electric guitar more than rap beats????
It's like dave chapelle with john mayer, look that up, fo sho.
And sage francis kills it first post in the thread dude.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

as far as i know wu tang clan and aesop rock are still alive so **** everyone who says rap is completely worthless

[starkukraine]

8 diagrams!!! A return to their true form. The Aesop Rock album is insane too.

[nathanp]

rap died a terrible death years ago...sorry anyone who has to grow up and choose his musical tastes based on this new rap or emo

You're mistaken, Sage Francis said it well,

"I ventured this brave new world of true corwards. Talkin' about no one goes to shows no more, cuz there to crowded. They stay home and burn ****, then they say, "I downloaded your whole life on the net, it was totally worth it." It's 2003 it's time to quit acting like *******s. It ain't about backpackers with cashflows, fashionable afro's, salon style dreads, or frat clothes, or these loud mouth's yelling "battle!" African medallions didn't sell platinum albums, that's part of the reason why you think hip hop (rap) died. It was here before you were, it'll be here in the future. Life's not a *****, she's just sick of being personified."

[Tagsrover]

Sage Francis, Wu Tang, and Aesop Rock are three amazing artists who would be classified as hip-hop but yet don't conform to the normal rap-hip hop shoot and kill and patron. aesop especially, his lyrics are crazy and deep and are basically a song by themselves, without the music

[GattzDaBerzerk]

Common
Mos Def
Immortal Technique
KRS-1
Kanye West
Atmosphere
Dead Prez
.....yeah i think it's safe to say hip hop lives

[zankfrappa]

Yeah, I'm not musically closed-minded bro... Just because I appreciate music that is complex, and mentally stimulating. Not repetitious, ignorant, racist, sexist garbage.

your generalisation only shows your close-mindedness.

The argument that rap should be dismissed because real instruments arent involved is a silly one. Why should it matter how a song is formed? So long as the end product is something good. A surely this can simply add to the variety of the music, as you are not limited to the usual guitar, bass, drums and vocals you get with a lot of styles of rock music. Obviously the quality of rap music is down to individual songs or artists and cant really be judged as an entire genre.
Also, on the topic of lyrical content, it cant be said that ALL rap music talks about guns, girls and drugs which is an argument which is often used against rap music. And even if that is all they talk about, so what? Rock music often talks about girls and drugs, maybe not so much the guns :P.
Im no massive fan of rap or hip hop, and dont claim to be, but i know a few of great songs, artists and albums and it seems people just refuse to listen to it. But thats there choice, and its not for me to say what music they should like and what they shouldnt.
People are just as close-minded about dance music, jazz and even blues for just as nonsense reasons. Some people just listen to music that fits their image.

[Wangsandsuch]

Rap is the greatest form of art to ever be produced by anything. Its so poetic and soul touching.

[fenderstrat15]

I personally dislike rap very much, but you've definitely put up the best fight for rap that I've seen anyone do, and your argument makes perfect sense. I'm deeply disappointed with music in general these days, and how all music is about is either not being loved, being in love, killing, dying, getting on drugs, getting off drugs, etc. But really, when you think about it, that's what music has always been about. It's always been about the things we hold dear, what we value, and what we've experienced.

In the end, the real question is why do we hate on musicians for uninspired lyrics when really the most inspiring lyrics are the ones that come from the heart?

[Parodygm]

I tend to pick and choose songs from particular genres. Admittedly, I don't find too many I like from the rap department but denying that it's a valid artform or saying that it's lacking merit as a style of delivery is preposterous.

I've liked rap the best when it's either highly political or just goofing around. So I'll take some Run DMC, some Public Enemy, some Beastie Boys and some Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy.

[Julio_No_Mas]

Rap is the greatest form of art to ever be produced by anything. Its so poetic and soul touching.

Yes! Soulja Boy induced an indescribable emotional response from me!

[battle_axe_of_doom]

morons like you are the reason why this thread should be closed. close-minded fools like you can't appreciate a geniunely good form of music, and dismiss it because of pieces of **** like soulja boy. any real rap fan would tell you soulja boy is a disgrace, but of course it would fall on deaf ears as evident by all of the rap threads in this forum

[polishdog90]

Soulja boy is to rap, as Nickelback is to rock.

On that subject, the reason that I love rock way more than rap, is because there was 40-50 years of good rock before mainstream started to suck, wheras for rap there were only like 10 years of good mainstream rap before the mainstream stuff sucked. I do love my oldschool hiphop though.

[Julio_No_Mas]

morons like you are the reason why this thread should be closed. close-minded fools like you can't appreciate a geniunely good form of music, and dismiss it because of pieces of **** like soulja boy. any real rap fan would tell you soulja boy is a disgrace, but of course it would fall on deaf ears as evident by all of the rap threads in this forum

Did you even read my posts? I clearly stated that old rap is good, new rap isn't. Get a sense of humor.

[Tagsrover]

I personally dislike rap very much, but you've definitely put up the best fight for rap that I've seen anyone do, and your argument makes perfect sense. I'm deeply disappointed with music in general these days, and how all music is about is either not being loved, being in love, killing, dying, getting on drugs, getting off drugs, etc. But really, when you think about it, that's what music has always been about. It's always been about the things we hold dear, what we value, and what we've experienced.

In the end, the real question is why do we hate on musicians for uninspired lyrics when really the most inspiring lyrics are the ones that come from the heart?

And at the same time, think about how much more access we have to music. TV, internet, raido, ipods, cell phones, and a bajillion other things. We listen to so much music that we burn it out. Our constant need for stimulation means we get quantity instead of quality.

[fenderstrat15]

And at the same time, think about how much more access we have to music. TV, internet, raido, ipods, cell phones, and a bajillion other things. We listen to so much music that we burn it out. Our constant need for stimulation means we get quantity instead of quality.

Exactly. Pick any song that you absolutely couldn't stop listening to the first time you heard it, and then after about 2 hours of constantly listening to it you were bored with it. Ultimately, all good things come in moderation, especially music.

But nice thinking, it would have certainly taken me a while to figure that out.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

it took me half a year to get "bored" with idioteque

[HPLabonte]

morons like you are the reason why this thread should be closed. close-minded fools like you can't appreciate a geniunely good form of music, and dismiss it because of pieces of **** like soulja boy. any real rap fan would tell you soulja boy is a disgrace, but of course it would fall on deaf ears as evident by all of the rap threads in this forum

QFT, Rap is a good form of music, just like Rock, though, the mainstream is not really all that good.

[nathanp]

In the end, the real question is why do we hate on musicians for uninspired lyrics when really the most inspiring lyrics are the ones that come from the heart?

It's not that we as genuine music lovers hate on musicians for unispirited lyrics, we can just care less for them.

From the handful of concerts I've been to and through my observation I have noticed that there are generally three types of people that listen to music, either biased towards the lyrical content, either biased towards the actual music, or a little bit a both. I.E. People that chill and actually listening to the song, lyrics, people that mosh and just listen to the beat/melody and "feel" the emotions of the words not necessarily listening to it as they jump around...

My main intention wasn't to convince people and be like, "go listen to rap now it's good." but to say all of rap sucks is the same thing as saying all of rock sucks, rnb sucks, etc etc.

It's just not your cup of tea.

So don't dismiss it as a form of art, a genre of music, just because your own personal taste.

[starkukraine]

Soulja boy should be murdered by the ghost of 2pac

[JuliusMode]

Can't we all just agree that 95% of new music on mainstream radio is talentless, sell-out crap, regardless of genre?

That doesn't mean there isn't good new music in all genres, including rap. Why would anyone judge any genre by what's on the damn radio?

And more to the point: has no one here listened to M.I.A.?

[fenderstrat15]

It's not that we as genuine music lovers hate on musicians for unispirited lyrics, we can just care less for them.

From the handful of concerts I've been to and through my observation I have noticed that there are generally three types of people that listen to music, either biased towards the lyrical content, either biased towards the actual music, or a little bit a both. I.E. People that chill and actually listening to the song, lyrics, people that mosh and just listen to the beat/melody and "feel" the emotions of the words not necessarily listening to it as they jump around...

My main intention wasn't to convince people and be like, "go listen to rap now it's good." but to say all of rap sucks is the same thing as saying all of rock sucks, rnb sucks, etc etc.

It's just not your cup of tea.

So don't dismiss it as a form of art, a genre of music, just because your own personal taste.

Perfectly understandable. My comment wasn't meant to make yours sound as if you were saying "go listen to rap now," I was just commenting about the people who as you say only listen to the beat of the music. And also, I know not all of rap sucks. There have been many inspiring artists out there who are doing a great job trying to represent what that type of music is about. There are just so many bad rap songs and artists out there that they are just so hard not to ignore and comment on.

[nathanp]

There are just so many bad rap songs and artists out there that they are just so hard not to ignore and comment on.

Turn off the radio. :D (or that damned mtv :p)

[Wangsandsuch]

QFT, Rap is a good form of music, just like Rock, though, the mainstream is not really all that good.

No, you're wrong.

[Incoment Troll]

Rap is as classic as Rock or even the blues. Rap is from the soul and if you cant comprehend that then you need to find your heart again and re kindle your love of true music with rap

[Incoment Troll]

Go Listen To Rap Now Save Your Soul!

[starkukraine]

Hip Hop is the gravies.

[loweredd]

And at the same time, think about how much more access we have to music. TV, internet, raido, ipods, cell phones, and a bajillion other things. We listen to so much music that we burn it out. Our constant need for stimulation means we get quantity instead of quality.


Exactly. Pick any song that you absolutely couldn't stop listening to the first time you heard it, and then after about 2 hours of constantly listening to it you were bored with it. Ultimately, all good things come in moderation, especially music.


This is the mindset that is the reason for this. Constant stimulation CAN'T be an old song? I'm sorry if that doesn't work for you....:( Man, I've got CD's that I can put in the CD player and listen to on repeat for days at a time. (and I usually drive about 650 miles in a day). If the song is actually good, you shouldn't get bored with it. Haven't you ever been listening to a song and gotten all goosebumpy? THAT'S AWESOME!! That's quality music! It can be rap too.

I like music from all genres. County, (Conway Twitty, Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, a lot of 70's country and early 80's country) I don't know if Neil Diamond would be considered country or rock, or what. My grandma adores him. LOL, kinda funny. I like rap too, but haven't listened to any really since about 1998. I loved 2Pac and Dr. Dre and Snoop, 2 Short, Bizzy Bone, Vanilla Ice......Just seeing if you were really paying attention ROFL!!! I like Radiohead, I LOVE The Used. You might not like any of these artist, but that's OK. I can listen to The Used's first CD over and over and over and over and not get bored with it. It's one I was talking about before. I can listen to songs on there after having the CD for 6? years now, and still get goosebumps when listening to it. They sound good live too. Burt's got an excellent voice.

I dont know, in closing I guess I will say that rap IS music.

"an artistic form of auditory communication incorporating instrumental or vocal tones in a structured and continuous manner"

I may not like new rap that all sounds the same, like today, but it's music nontheless.

[Aesposit]

i've debated this and even gotten in fights over the years about this and i'll post my opinion hear as...i have absolutely no problem with rap music if the people are actual musicians. it is absolutely ridiculous to me that someone can get filthy rich playing other peoples songs and talking over them, not singing a new version or anything, but talking. i've heard, dude working in the beats are crazy hard man...but really you work a machine until you find something good to listen to. now, this where people usually get pissed at me, but i feel like putting together a rap is no more than reciting a poem. i think that if a rap group records the smaples themselves and plays instruments on the records they not only get a better control of the music they make but it gives it a distinct sound. if i got to a concert i want to see a band, i don't want to see a DJ, i can get in my car and play DJ if i want too. i think a great example would be The Roots, people love them, they have a band, they rap/ do the R&B thing. an example of a reason to hate rap music? "party like a rockstar" (even though you are not), "do your chains hang low" (i wish someone would choke on them), "i get money" (because you exploit the white surburban kids who buy 80 versions of the same song), and my favorite "superman" (you know the one with the stupid dance?)

[Jolby32]

hey you know what, rock music takes skills to play a musical instrument. Not just spoken poems about drugs and girls. Im not saying metal didn't talk about sex and drugs but they had to play their instruments which they were accomplished at in the backround. Oh and one more thing. If the black community is tired of the use of the N word, then tell the rappers to stop using it in the songs. If it weren't for rap we proabably woundn't say it as much in our neighborhood, if at all.

[TheCorporal]

Ever heard pf Public Enemy, they brought truth to rap music. They ised rock beats, and Chuck D was a genius.

Too bad no one cares about them anymore.

[MozDef]

To say that Hip Hop sucks now, even I get upset at that. There are great rappers out there right now and still releasing albums. Mainstream anything is almost terrible. Record companies take a formula of what works and pump it out in its rawest form. I like Rock and Hip-Hop. I respect most genres of music and I dislike most mainstream material.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

gonna take a wild guess and say that you like mos def??

[MozDef]

gonna take a wild guess and say that you like mos def??

Mos def I do.:p

[vash1422]

um...to me...Rap sounds hurried, like it was made at the last moment with the least amount of effort, they simply take old songs most of the time and play them back repetitively...and make up lyrics about the same crap...sorry to say, but i think the real talent nowadays is found in Metal or Progression or anything like that. It takes years and years and hours of endless practice to get to an impressive level of playing guitar, or drums, or bass, or keyboards, and it takes alot of feeling, regardless of what music u play, you have to feel to create melodies, which i think rap lacks thereof. Not to say Rap isnt a music, but as to say i can't appreciate it.

[ShroominWITfurl]

hey you know what, rock music takes skills to play a musical instrument. Not just spoken poems about drugs and girls. Im not saying metal didn't talk about sex and drugs but they had to play their instruments which they were accomplished at in the backround. Oh and one more thing. If the black community is tired of the use of the N word, then tell the rappers to stop using it in the songs. If it weren't for rap we proabably woundn't say it as much in our neighborhood, if at all.

wow u gotta be the most close minded person to post here yet.....

so ur saying that u dont consider poems a form of art??? under paint/drawing, poems are recognized as one of the most appreciated forms of art ALL around the world for MANY MANY MANY years.

you cant compare rap and rock. its apples and oranges. rock is about the syncing of the guitar bass drums and vocals. its about combining these to make an increadable uplifting sound of harmony between the instruments. rap is about the freeflow of the voice. its about the lyrics. yes there beats to it and what not but thats not what tru rap is about. mainstream rap is about the beats and the melody to make ya feel like dancing.

music is art. like it or not ALL music is art. think about paintings. some of the hardest most complex paintings are worth more then anything. but so are some of the most simplistic easy to do drawing. its still art. its just sum people like some type of art more then another. whos to say what they like is ****y art??? picasso had some of the easist simplest looking pieces but yet so artistic and unique. yet some one like Albert Bierstadt (my favorite artist), who no one knows of, creats these BEAUTIFUL masterpieces that are so complex, and yet he just doesnt get enough recognition.

put that into music contexts..... some one like soulja boy who creats an fairly easy song and sings about almost nothing gets HUGE recognition. but some one like Del The Funkee Homosapian (aka DeltronZero, Hieroglyphics(the found of the group)) who raps about his intrests, humor, and themes that differe from mainstream, gets little recognition other then "that guy that sung "clint eastwood" with the gorillaz)

PLEASE LISTEN TO THIS SONG and then tell me that rap is **** and all about fame and money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYR4viJr4Bk Hieroglyphics - At The Helm

a few lyrics from the song

"Rap ain't about bustin caps and ****ing *****es
It's about fluency with rhymin ingenuity"

and

"You say you rappin but you don't know the essence
Just hoe slap and bustin caps is your message
Plus every time I put some scrill down, you steal it
If that's your way of teachin me a lesson I don't feel it"

[ak92]

If you can't find a way to appreciate every single style of music, whether it's rock, rap, reggae, death metal, ska, etc..., you cannot consider yourself a complete musician. I don't care who you are. I love rock and I love rap. I hate death metal and I hate emo. But I still can appreciate at least a few songs by death metal and emo bands. There is no genre of music that is inferior to another.

[Scarlet_Fire]

except gregorian chants, i think everyone will back me up on that one

[Scarlet_Fire]

"There is no genre of music that is inferior to another."

except gregorian chants and yodelling. i think everyone will back me up on that one