Loyal fan asks why haven't you addressed the 360 leaderboard glitch?

[x2fr]

it's been a while... and the guitar career leaderboard is still screwed. There are like 800 people over the 15.5 mil maxout.

I care if it gets done. I play for score.
Any updates you (HMX) guys?

[jeccaneko]

All of the leaderboards are screwed, not just guitar. Bass, drums, vocals, band career, etc.

I've got a "broken" band career score, meaning it's higher than it should be. It doesn't look like it to most people because I play solo - there's tons of bands that have a legit higher band career score than me. But I apparently made the mistake of playing a Battle of the Bands... or something... and now my career score is higher than I could legitamately get it by myself and I can't fix it.

[RealMessiah]

Leaderboards should be totally eliminated since they can't get them to work correctly.

The ones on this site are a clusterfark of worthlessness

[zubes10]

while that fix basically takes away the complaining because people cant "see" that things are screwed up...

you'll still get people complaining because they can't see where they rank on the leader boards. its an endless circle of listening to people b*^&h and moan, because they can't just be happy playing the game.

[smilprty4thedvl]

i'm not complaining. i'm in 1st place because of it. :)

[x2fr]

^^^ why would you settle for broken leaderboards?

It's arguably a big feature of the game. How about buying a car and the speedometer doesn't work, well you wouldn't ask for it be fixed because the car still runs? Come on.

[kiggidykev]

It`s just as arguably an insignificant feature. If it`s that important to you, write "You're Great!" on a piece of paper and hang it on your wall.

[x2fr]

i'm not complaining. i'm in 1st place because of it. :)

Over the line. ---HMXVeng

[kiggidykev]

You're disgusting. I hope there's a ban in your future.

[smilprty4thedvl]

lol. jealousy rules. \m/

[RealMessiah]

while that fix basically takes away the complaining because people cant "see" that things are screwed up...

you'll still get people complaining because they can't see where they rank on the leader boards. its an endless circle of listening to people b*^&h and moan, because they can't just be happy playing the game.

Sorry, without score, there really is nothing to play the game for if you are a solo player (mostly).

I don't need a plastic guitar in my hand to listen to music.

I find it enjoyable...like golf...to see how I can improve myself.

I am not playing it thinking...man I had a kick arse performance...the crowd loved me...I'm not really in a band. I'm playing a video game. Most video games have some sort of measuring stick. Score is that for this game. Stars don't measure anything really as you can get less than half the points for some songs and still get five stars (we will ignore the fact the game doesn't track those either).

You know what is worthless to me??? FANS

(preferences come in all shapes and sizes)

The leaderboards on this site have been crap since long before RB2 came out (though the old ones were at least much more friendly to browse). They don't care about them, so why do they insist on including them?

Those who are really into score likely keep track with a spreadsheet and or on scorehero or something like that.

The fact remains, they don't know what they are doing when it comes to doing the leaderboards, in game or on this site, so until they get someone on staff who does...why not just eliminate them.

If I was full of fail at something, I wouldn't keep flaunting it. Frankly, I would be embarrassed about the issue if I were them.

[Der_Lex]

Over the line. ---HMXVeng

Mark it zero!

This is not 'Nam. There are rules.

[tormz]

Sorry, without score, there really is nothing to play the game for if you are a solo player (mostly).

I don't need a plastic guitar in my hand to listen to music.

I find it enjoyable...like golf...to see how I can improve myself.

I am not playing it thinking...man I had a kick arse performance...the crowd loved me...I'm not really in a band. I'm playing a video game. Most video games have some sort of measuring stick. Score is that for this game. Stars don't measure anything really as you can get less than half the points for some songs and still get five stars (we will ignore the fact the game doesn't track those either).


The game is still scored whether the leaderboards are there or not, so you can still work on improving your score if that is what you get out of the game.

Leaderboards only show how you stack up against other players so the only real reason to have them is to compete. While a lot of people enjoy the competitive nature of the boards in trying to get to be number 1, saying that you can't improve your score without them is false.

[RealMessiah]

The game is still scored whether the leaderboards are there or not, so you can still work on improving your score if that is what you get out of the game.

Leaderboards only show how you stack up against other players so the only real reason to have them is to compete. While a lot of people enjoy the competitive nature of the boards in trying to get to be number 1, saying that you can't improve your score without them is false.

I didn't say get rid of score (I was responding to the guy that inferred score didn't matter...my bad...I think I quoted the wrong person in my original response which probably led to the confusion). I said get rid of embarrassingly broken leadboards that have not worked since long before the release of RB2. The online ones took weeks to updatea given song score sometimes on RB1.

The in game scores for individual songs on RB2 seems to work well enough though. I also think they improved how it lists the scores...showing where you the player are while also listing the high score.

The high score is only important to me for one thing though...to see how many more points might be possible in a song.

The leaderboards on this website are like they threw a couple of PCs onto a short bus and said..."have it it, Corky"...

Anyway. I don't ever expect to be #1 on any given song on Expert so the leaderboards per song on Expert don't really matter to me (except to see the number for the high score). Though, yes it is cool to move up them...don't get me wrong.

I use scorehero for input and comparison to others. While, like golf, this is a game best played against yourself and the course (in this case the game), it is still nice to see where you stack up against others.

I realize scorehero only provides a small sampling of players but it does the job.

I think it stinks that the career score is broken and I would probably look at that more often if it wasn't that way.

But I can again use ScoreHero for a small sampling of that and can also see the career scores at different levels (Med/Hard/Expert).

Anyway, I guess my point was...if they can't make something work, why do they insist on keeping it around. Months now and the online leaderboards have not worked sufficiently...That is too long so why not take them down until they get it figured out...if they care to. I know the online leaderboards are in no way a profit center so they probably really don't care though when it comes down to it...

So eliminate them then...at least in the interim.

(again, just one opinion)

[area]

So as the person who has been catastrophically vaulted to #2 by the glitch, I wish they would fix it too. I have no idea what I did to cause the score to glitch. I play almost every day and have since launch and I was ~6000 on the LB (not bad for a 35+ old man ;) ) and had not seen score glitches in the first 4 months of playing.

Then, within the span of a week and a half, I went to 48M and then to 64M without changing how I play (always do QP for solo and have an X score for all 553 songs I own and play QP 4 man or in my regular band which is owned by another member). I don't like the glitch, but there is nothing I can do about it.

To the OP, I used to play with you Ruby's tourneys and know that I didn't do anything to invoke the score glitch.

The odd part about all of this is that ALL of my solo scores are correct on the LBs and my LOCAL career score is correct on my box (if you sort to local under LB career score it shows the proper score). All of this leads me to believe that HMX is just too lazy to fix it. (don't hate me for stating the obvious - Love HMX and the game but this is too ridiculous)

Easy fixes:
1. Do a maintenance script that goes and adds up all the individual songs for a GT and re-calcs the career score. They have all the information they need at hand.
2. Nuke the boards as a one time thing and recalculate the Career Score by pulling all song info the next time a player finishes a song. (They obviously do deltas that send more than just last song played because, unlike the past (GH2 and I believe RB1), a vocal score I improved while my internet was down DID propagate to the LBs next time I was online.)
3. Actually figure out what is wrong with your score collection system and fix it! There are a couple of likely culprits:
- Network loops that keep adding until some sort of ack is rcvd
- Inclusion of extraneous band or other instrument scores
- The inability of the LBs to correct downward IF a mistake is propagated (over-restrictive ceiling function that disallows proper correction and update).

To recap, I don't play solely for score but I find it very disturbing that HMX can get sooooooo many things right in their games but cannot handle the simple (yes, it is a simple function) of calculating and transmitting of scores. The info is right for ALL songs, the info for career is right locally - why on EARTH can they not get it right on their servers?????

We aren't talking about getting network synch for vocals here, we are talking about sending 84 numbers to a server. CS101 can do this task. Hell, its not even done in real time.

The best part is that it can be a fully back-end procedure so there is no reason to even make a patch. EVERYTHING can be handled at HMX's end, even if there is an error in game code somewhere.

Myths that there isn't enough storage space to save ALL the songs from ALL the players are BS. Even if you keep all 556 songs for all 5 configurations (G/B/V/D/Band) for 10 million tags its only 105GB of disk space. I spring for the $200 to put it in Raid 1 for you guys if you need it ;)

PS: I would *love* to get a response from *ANY* HMX dev telling me that this is a hard problem to fix and not worth the time - but please back this up with some real reasons as to why.

PPS: Maybe you guys should add a 'How would you handle transmitting, calculating and maintaining a global leaderboard?' question to your recent college graduates interviews. Maybe some kid with no real experience could come up with a decent solution since you are obviously too busy to work on it yourselves. Just have them write it in pseudo-code, I am sure you can handle the translation to the real system.

PPPS: Oh...you know how you get us to shut up about this???? Actually effing address it! Admit they are tanked and let us know if you care/plan on a fix or not! If you do plan a fix, give us some sort of a time line. This crap about we have no idea when we can ever fix anything is total BS too. Learn how to scope your jobs and understand how the process through test and validation works. You guys know how to hit a street date, you know how long it takes to code.

[Mex]

For whatever its worth my Leaderboard score was "accurate" until i started playing the Challenges. Everything was fine while doing Quickplay and World Tour.

So maybe the Challenges are what messed it up?

Who knows.

[RealMessiah]

I think they move this over here because they don't want people reading it too.

There is plenty of crap out of place in the "Rock Band" forum, but if it is related to leadboards, they hide it away over here.

It seems that way anyway.

[area]

I think they move this over here because they don't want people reading it too.

There is plenty of crap out of place in the "Rock Band" forum, but if it is related to leadboards, they hide it away over here.

It seems that way anyway.

I totally agree that they try to hide this stuff. Don't know why they just wont address it. Everyone sees the big elephant in the room, are we just supposed to pretend that it doesn't exist because HMX doesn't want to talk about it?

Dev's respond to all kinds of topics but they wont respond to something that deals with fundamentally broken game play features (Online Leaderboards are on the box if I'm not mistaken - most games that have them put it in an online features box on the packaging). Maybe for RB3 or the Beatles game they can just list it as a "Random Number Generator that is tied to your Gamer Tag!!!"

I take the silence as a lack of interest/care about the issue when it impacts a substantial part of their hardcore fan base. Even the players that haven't been glitched have been moved down the LB's by those of us that have.

But, what would I expect from them. When the GH2 LB's were manipulated, nothing was done. When the vocals LB in RB1 was tanked from Glitchkreig Bop, nothing was done. I guess that, since it is system wide and a systemic failure, they might have addressed it this time.

I hate the fact that it makes me feel like a cheater. I hate the fact that it puts me ahead of other, way better players. I hate the fact that I can't even see where I should be and have none of the feel good feeling that comes from improving your scores. I don't play for score, but it sure kills a big part of the game for me.

[kiggidykev]

If a glitched leaderboard makes you feel like a cheater, then don't look at it. Unless it's like the Telltale Heart and you feel guilty for something else.

I was #1 on Expert Guitar for months because of the glitch. Got friend requests from strangers, declined them all and got on with life.

If you really need to prove yourself to the internet full of strangers, please check out ScoreHero. :)

[area]

If a glitched leaderboard makes you feel like a cheater, then don't look at it. Unless it's like the Telltale Heart and you feel guilty for something else.

I was #1 on Expert Guitar for months because of the glitch. Got friend requests from strangers, declined them all and got on with life.

If you really need to prove yourself to the internet full of strangers, please check out ScoreHero. :)

Use scorehero for band stuff (notably the 2 and 3 man stuff that the game doesn't support). The point is, and hear me out here, FIX THE EFFIN GAME. Why do you give them a pass on an advertised feature? Biggest HMX fan out there, but their response (or lack thereof) to this has been appalling.

Why should I have to deal with random FRs? Why should I have to manually enter all my scores? Why can't we hold them accountable to hold up their end of the bargain? They have my $1000 from games, instruments and DLC. All of my checks to them cleared. Why can't I expect them to make the product work as advertised?

[v1g1lance1]

HMXVeng - I notice you had time to edit a post in this thread (rightfully so it appears from all counts) - but couldn't/wouldn't say anything in response?

Not cool. It's not like this is a new problem, and it's not like anyone at HMX has legitimately addressed the concerns of your userbase. Part of what has always been appealing here is the accessibility of HMX. We've felt, for a while at least, like we part of a community you cared about and wanted to foster communication with.

In this issue, at least, that certainly hasn't been the case - and from an outsiders point of view, there doesn't appear to be any logical reason to avoid discussing the issue with us.

Ian

[RealMessiah]

HMXVeng - I notice you had time to edit a post in this thread (rightfully so it appears from all counts) - but couldn't/wouldn't say anything in response?

Not cool. It's not like this is a new problem, and it's not like anyone at HMX has legitimately addressed the concerns of your userbase. Part of what has always been appealing here is the accessibility of HMX. We've felt, for a while at least, like we part of a community you cared about and wanted to foster communication with.

In this issue, at least, that certainly hasn't been the case - and from an outsiders point of view, there doesn't appear to be any logical reason to avoid discussing the issue with us.

Ian

They do not care about the leaderboard issues. Fixing it only hurts the bottom line. They are working on DLC and The Beatles game (which will likely have non working Leaderboards too), which actually add dollars to the bottom line.

Please leave them alone.