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darknessmoon
11-29-2007, 04:26 AM
In the end, it all boils down to money. “It's no problem to just put it in as DLC and if you want it, get it, and if you don't, then don't" is so much easier said than done; it’s much more complex than that.

First off, you need a band's permission to use their song; whether it be for a commercial, a movie, a game, etc. (I don't know how hard it is to get that permission, but I do know it involves a lot of paperwork).

Second: Royalties. As far as royalties go, I believe that there are many different ways to go about this depending on the contract that comes with the permission to use a song. It could be a flat fee or it could be off of a certain percentage that is gained as profit from use of the song, etc.

Third: Time = Money. After gaining permission and discussing the royalties and what not, the song must be modified in order to play with the game. Well, not necessarily modifying the song itself (unless needed to and allowed by the band), but I mean adding in the “Rock Band components” for it to be playable with the game. It doesn’t seem entirely easy to make any song available. It’s obviously going to go through testing processes in order for it to play well with the game.

Considering all the factors I just mentioned above, I imagine that any song they pick to go into the game has to go through a long process involving paperwork, money (we don’t know Harmonix’s budget), and time to prep the song for the game. Whatever songs they choose would have to be something that would have to be beneficial to their time and money as the developers and to us as the consumers. If they were to see it as not being profitable, then it probably wouldn’t be beneficial to them to go through the hassle of what I mentioned above to make a song available for DLC “just because” and for only a few people to download them.

There could be many, many reasons, and none of us know neither what those reasons are nor what the exact process is, and because of that, all that we can do, as fans and consumers, is to ask, to request, and to hope that they can make it available for us. We can’t say that they will never put “so-and-so” in “cuz they are teh suxxorz.” Hell, I think Fall Out Boy sucks, yet they put it in the game. There are obviously enough people out there who like them for them to have been put in the game.

Alls I’m saying is, it’s not as easy as many of you may think…

And besides, the game IS called ROCKBAND, as many people here have stated. Doesn't the game itself say, "Live your Rock Star Fantasies!" or something like that, on the box? Why would anyone try to make Harmonix go through all the BS to put in music not related to the game?

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fishfinder
11-29-2007, 04:58 AM
Why should the masses be limited to your limited vision (definition, experience, narrow, substitute any of these adjectives) of "Rock"???

darknessmoon
11-29-2007, 05:49 AM
Why should the masses be limited to your limited vision (definition, experience, narrow, substitute any of these adjectives) of "Rock"???

I'm not trying to limit the masses in any way. The reason for my post is that I see many people continue to ask for some R&B, Hip-Hop, Pop, etc, as DLC, when it doesn't fall into the category of "Rock" to begin with. Granted, if there is pop-rock that fits into the game, then by all means go ahead and make it available (They added in Freezepop and it works well with the game).

The thing is that people are saying to "just go ahead and add it and get it if you want and don't get it if you don't want it," and my point is that it's NOT easy to JUST do that! There are many, many sub-genres of rock that would fit well into the game, but why ask for hip-hop, or Celine Dion, or anything that wouldn't relate to the game, ROCK BAND? It's not worth the time or hassle IMHO for the developers.

The other thing is that some people continue to say, "Why didn't Harmonix add 'so-and-so' band?" Well, did anyone consider all of the points I stated? Maybe the band didn't want to be added. Maybe it didn't fall within the budget. Maybe the contracts, etc, did not meet the time deadlines so they have not YET been added.

I'm just trying to get people to understand that it's NOT THAT EASY!

not a bumblebee
11-29-2007, 10:51 AM
it cant be that hard if hackers are doing it with guitar hero

DethBoxx
11-29-2007, 10:53 AM
The term 'rock' doesn't need to be taken so literally. Any genre of music would be great as DLC.
If you don't like it you don't have to buy it. Agreed about the commercial aspects though of course.

Church0070
11-29-2007, 10:55 AM
it cant be that hard if hackers are doing it with guitar hero

Wow..........lol......just....just....wow

Hackers don't need permission from the band, seeing as they are hackers and are not selling said product

HypodermicMD
11-29-2007, 11:27 AM
Real quality songs need to be added from masters that have separate tracks. Sure you could hack it like they are with GH, but it just isn't the same experience.

And I have to agree, hip-hop how I love thee, but it just wouldn't work. I could see some country, maybe some really old school rock like Elvis, but "light listening" and hip-hop just make no sense. It's like asking for Chemical Brothers.

knightone
11-29-2007, 11:33 AM
I'm not trying to limit the masses in any way. The reason for my post is that I see many people continue to ask for some R&B, Hip-Hop, Pop, etc, as DLC, when it doesn't fall into the category of "Rock" to begin with. Granted, if there is pop-rock that fits into the game, then by all means go ahead and make it available (They added in Freezepop and it works well with the game).

The thing is that people are saying to "just go ahead and add it and get it if you want and don't get it if you don't want it," and my point is that it's NOT easy to JUST do that! There are many, many sub-genres of rock that would fit well into the game, but why ask for hip-hop, or Celine Dion, or anything that wouldn't relate to the game, ROCK BAND? It's not worth the time or hassle IMHO for the developers.

The other thing is that some people continue to say, "Why didn't Harmonix add 'so-and-so' band?" Well, did anyone consider all of the points I stated? Maybe the band didn't want to be added. Maybe it didn't fall within the budget. Maybe the contracts, etc, did not meet the time deadlines so they have not YET been added.

I'm just trying to get people to understand that it's NOT THAT EASY!

I never said it was easy. But the point of this section is for people to express what they would like to see. If Harmonix can pull it off, then good. But if we don't ask for it, then it might not ever be considered and never get done. It never hurts to ask, you never know. Harmonix is going to do what they can and, as consumers of their product, we would like our desires to at least be heard even if they aren't fulfilled. If I don't get the songs I've requested, fine. I'm not going to scream and yell and pout. I'll still be happy with the game. It would just be nice to have at least some of the songs I love, so I asked.

darknessmoon
11-30-2007, 04:38 AM
I never said it was easy. But the point of this section is for people to express what they would like to see. If Harmonix can pull it off, then good. But if we don't ask for it, then it might not ever be considered and never get done. It never hurts to ask, you never know. Harmonix is going to do what they can and, as consumers of their product, we would like our desires to at least be heard even if they aren't fulfilled. If I don't get the songs I've requested, fine. I'm not going to scream and yell and pout. I'll still be happy with the game. It would just be nice to have at least some of the songs I love, so I asked.

Thank you for keeping the thread so civilized with your response. I see no problem in asking for what you want and agree that if Harmonix can pull it off, then why not? But, the problem that I, personally, see is that some people who request music that does not belong in the game (rap, hip-hop, Celione Dion, etc) will sometimes argue stating, "well, why not?" and some people will agree saying, "just make it available and buy if you want, don't buy it if you don't," and they don't seem to realize that it's not so easy to "just add it."

Maybe Harmonix would decide to add in some R&B or some country or whatever. That would be up to them. They may or may not care that the game is called Rock Band. I do get upset when I DO see people scream, yell, and pout because the music they badly desire isn't on there and begin to bad-mouth Harmonix, or the game, or the tracks on the game, etc.

I probably should have named my thread a bit more carefully, and for that I apologize. I just want some people to understand that, when they continuouslly get upset and continue to ask, "well, why the hell didn't they add 'so-and-so' band when they kick ass, yet they added 'so-and-so' band that sucks ass!" they should probably be a bit better informed about how difficult of a process it is to begin with, and that they should be considerate of the fact that Harmonix has to go through all these processes.

I suppose I was a bit biased when I stated that this IS Rock Band after all, which I feel still makes sense. But, should Harmonix choose to add songs not related to rock or its sub-genres, then that's on them. I just get a bit worked up when people think it's so easy since they added in "so-and-so" band and they make it seem as if the developers can add in anything at will whenever they please. Arguements continue to happen on these threads over things like that, and I simply thought that SOME people are not aware of how difficult the process of adding any song actually is...

I hope I'm making sense...:confused:

fishfinder
11-30-2007, 07:07 AM
But, the problem that I, personally, see is that some people who request music that does not belong in the game (rap, hip-hop, Celione Dion, etc)

This is where you lose me...

I am no fan of any of the music examples you suggested but if enough people request music in that genre to make it economically feasible to include in the game, then it DOES belong in the game because the people playing the game want it...I should not belittle others suggestions because it does not fit my concept of what I think should be included in the game so those who will eventually make the the decisions on how to take RB to the next level have an accurate sampling reflecting the fan base's desires...our opinions don't have to agree...but we should demand a forum where discussion should be available without ridicule