You Think You Have Skill? pshhh

[CollegeDropouts]

*** WARNING, VERY, VERY, VERY LONG POST. DON'T READ IF YOU'RE GOING TO CRY ABOUT IT ***


Ok, I have a few bones to pick with the leaderboards and the whole entire online system. I want to say right now, Rock Band rules. It's one of the greatest local multiplayer games created, and a concept that my friends and I have been begging for for years now. I'm not bashing Rock Band the game, just a few points that make NO SENSE. It's a great game and even with these flaws, I still enjoy it, so for you "Wow, just sell it and quit if you hate it so much" noobs... you just got 'pwnt?'.

We started off with a 3 person band, 2 guitars, and Drums. Both guitars on Expert and drums on hard (our drummer has never played drums before, so he wanted to get the bass petal down for a day or two before graduating to expert). When we noticed the cap, we were slightly disappointed, but we understood, so our drummer played on Expert. We went through for a day or two destroying, 5 starring, earning fans, and ranking on the Leaderboards until we realized that it was impossible to rank highest on the leaderboards without a singer. You NEED the X8 Multiplier to hit the high scores. Granted, without a singer, we were ranked 6 overall, 1-5 on many songs. We decided to grab a singer and we started to jam, we did about 10 songs and it pushed us up to number 2 slot. We still remain ranked 2nd on Score for leaderboards. The number one band, By Design obviously has skill, and the Queefs know what they're doing as well, BUT, they are playing on hard, or most instruments on hard, if not, medium. Is this legit?

It's a game about skill and competition correct? (At least the aspect I'm describing, so for you 'actually, it's about having fun with your friends you emo elitist...' noobs.. you just got 'pwnt?'). If I was amazing at T-Ball, I could NAIL it and get a home run every time. 100% chance to get a home run every at bat, am I better at baseball than Bonds? I mean Bonds has the record for most home runs, but when you look at %, I'm clearly better. WRONG. I'm not even in his league. I'm not even in the steroid infested fecal matter that spews from his rectum's league. I shouldn't be able to compete on his level, and the same goes for Rock Band.

Check out the Leaderboards, I'll take Apocalypse Goblins as an example. Two man band, ranked 10 overall, 7 million fans. First off, if you can play GH1-2-3 on Expert, you can DESTROY RB on expert, so I'm 100% positive these guys are bass, guit, band. They have played every song, on Expert, and are ranked higher than 99% of the bands. Is this deserving? I'm not saying they suck, they are obviously great players, but a Two Man *BAND gets ranked 10? I could 100% probably 50 of these songs guitar on Expert guitar, and 58 on bass. You don't believe me? I RyBU I is my gamertag. Look me up. I think if the leaderboards have ANY intent on displaying SKILL (online score duels have a true skill rating) I think there should be seperate categories. GH3 has them for a reason, so that amazing players can respectively compete against amazing players, advanced with advanced and so on and so on.

For the Two Man Band medium players. Do you want to look on the leaderboards and see that you are ranked 10042509 overall? Wouldn't you rather check "Medium Leaderboards" to show what your rank is versus your skill lvl? I know that most expert players would. It's the only way of real competition.

At this point if you're still reading, you're probably thinking "man, this guy cares too much, just chill and enjoy the game".

First off, if you KNEW you were one of the, if not THE best band, you'd want it to be correctly represented. Otherwise, never check the leaderboards again. Honestly, yes, it's a game, da da da da da I've heard it all and that's fine. But does that mean that people who are great at it shouldn't be recognized for it? Shouldn't want that recognition? Any player who plays guitar on Medium, Hard, Easy... drums on Medium, Hard, Easy... they ALL WISH they could play on expert, but don't want to put the "time" in. Which is funny to me because most noobs think time is the only correct representation of skill is the NOOBEST thing I've ever heard. I've never played a drum kit in my life, I've played guitar for 3 years, and I started GH1 on expert, and RB drums on expert and that's how i've played. Never downplayed. I'm not even playing RB Drums solo on Hard because I think that I will beat it and it won't be reaching my full potential. So for you boring noobs who can't play with skill, either quit reading now, or don't ***** because if you had the natural talent to play expert you would... period, AND, you'd want recognition. Are we bragging about our skill.... uhhhhhh yea. You would too and if you say you wouldn't, you're a LIAR. I've never known for anybody to be the best at ANYTHING and not let it known that they are the best, unless it's the best at giving arabian guys hand love in the alley behind Sears.

Ok, back to Score Boards. My main point is, you can play pretty much medium on all 4, 100% it, and be the number one band, but it is a HORRIBLE representation of skill. I'm not looking for a solution because I've bought RB, I love it, and Harmonix probably doesnt give a **** about our business anymore knowing that they will only profit from DLC with around 8% of consumers, so for a patch update or anything that like... I'm not even expecting it. I'm just trying to see if I have any following with this, or if the majority of you are just going to cry and be jealous noobs. I have a GH and RB ego... obviously. I'm in one of the best RB bands, one of the best GH players, I've won many tourneys, and played with MLG pros, and I take my gaming seriously.

After I get home from my job, finish class, and DEAL with my girlfriend, I want to kick back and own on MY hobbies, and playing games is one of them. There is nothing wrong with wanting correct representation of skill.

The fan whores out there who have 72,000,000 fans... you played the same venue over and over with two guitars... do you get props for that? Nope. Have a 4 man band and play on all expert and earn your fans that way. Otherwise, it's non deserving. Our band mates don't all live together. We have 1 guy from Portland, OR, two from Beaverton (about 10-20 miles away) and one from Vanc, Washington (A good 45-60 min drive). When we all get together, it's a lot of work, we can't do it all day considering we have to go to work/school. For you guys out there that don't have friends that live close to you, that's unfortuanate. I'm sure a few of you out there could put our band to shame, we are lucky that we live close enough to jam together, but for that, we want recognition. For online Pro-Face Off on GH3, when I lose, I'm upset and like "GOD DAMMIT!" but I totally give the guy who beat me props, because he's better and that's sick. Fair and square, he deserves props, we just feel like we do too.

**THIS ISN'T GUITAR HERO 3.... IT'S ROCK BAND**

I'm not saying ANYBODY here sucks, I'm not saying that if it was represented properly NOBODY would pass College Drop-Outs. I'm just saying we deserve proper competative motive. With the current leaderboard set up, it's lacking. We WISH that we could play games and just have fun and not care and not be competitive *******s, but after gaming for years, it's natural for us. For the guys who have fun and just enojy the game with your buds, we envy you more than you envy our skill. We are just competitive *******s and we can't change our ways. Keep rocking on medium and having fun, that TRUELY is what gaming is all about, but for us, we want to be recognized for skill. You guys want videos of us playing songs all expert, we'll make em. Bottom line, to sum it all up......

We're better and want the recognition. It's frusterating to look at the boards to see people who scored higher, but see that their fans show they capped out between med and hard. Anybody else here feel like the leaderboards are a joke?

In most rhythm games, an expert player will double, or even triple the score of someone playing on medium. This is fair and it's how it should work.

[Stevenam81]

Ok, my advice is get better on expert. A 100% song on medium is worth a lot less than a 100% song on expert. You said yourself you can probably 100% nearly every song. If your band is on the "expert" level then you guys should have no problem beating guys playing on medium. Maybe you guys should drop down to hard.

And about the fans. That is why there is a fan cap. Someone on medium can not earn more than 260,000. Hard can't earn more than 600,000. So if they want to play the same songs over and over again that's fine with me. They will still be stuck at their cap until they move up the difficulty.

[Badosh]

i got bored reading.....

[CollegeDropouts]

I get what you're saying but I kind of think you're missing the point. Our guitar's 98-100% every song, drums 93-99 every song, so it's not like we're doing that bad considering most drumers for RB can't even play Expert. We just feel like there should be a better scoring system for each difficulty. Dropping skill lvls isn't what we are looking to do, otherwise, we'd all play hard, cheat the system and set unbeatable scores. We think the scoring is just flawed, or the leaderboard set up should be changed.

[ClinTrojan]

you wrote all of that to whine about not being the best at a video game.......how sad, just have fun!

[Stevenam81]

Also, if you guys are so bad ass, why don't you sing while you play if you want that 8X multiplayer. I sing while I play in one of my bands. This is Rock Band, so a "full band" is able to rank higher than some other two or three piece.

It's too early to start making judgements about the bands on the leaderboards. So what if a two piece band is ranked 10th. Soon enough they will be knocked down in rank by all the full bands that start to complete BWT. Also, I'm not sure but it might just show how many guys started the band. I started a band with two people, and sometimes add a third, but when I look at the band profile it only shows the original two members who started the band. Maybe those guys started the band with two people and have other friends who come in and out playing on expert and that is how their score is so high. I think you're getting way too worked up too early. Leaderboard always seem unbalanced at first. Over time things will smooth out.

[JVeeJVee]

The leaderboards have always been faulty. Come to think of it, any game with a leaderboard ALWAYs has something wrong with it.

I agree with the fact that the scoring system should be changed, as well as the Fan cap.

Also, are you serious that the people with 72,000,000 fans consist only a two person band with guitar players? Because if that's true, then they're beyond stupid. Those losers need to go back to playing Guitar Hero 3.

[hillbilly accent] We don't like your KIND around here. [/hillbilly accent]

[MPeters]

yea i agree the leaderboards are definatly flawed. i know that 100% on expert beats 100% medium (duh), but for the scores to be considerable close that is absurd and unfair to the higher skilled players.

clin - you obviously didn't get what this post is about, but expected im sure there is going to be a lot of similar responses as yours.

bodosh - i notice you put your gamer profile as your signature. no offense, but based on your achievements maybe this post wouldn't concern you (based on difficulty).

[Electric_Zen]

What you are seeing is a little bit of an anomaly because the leaderboards are so new. In another month or so, the formula will be very simple:

If you want one of the top positions on the leaderboard, you will need to play in a 4-person band. All four of you will need to play on Expert, and you will need to play very, very well.

If you guys are continuing to work on Expert, good job. You will have a leg up on bands that are temporarily topping the leaderboards by playing Hard.

[Stevenam81]

I get what you're saying but I kind of think you're missing the point. Our guitar's 98-100% every song, drums 93-99 every song, so it's not like we're doing that bad considering most drumers for RB can't even play Expert. We just feel like there should be a better scoring system for each difficulty. Dropping skill lvls isn't what we are looking to do, otherwise, we'd all play hard, cheat the system and set unbeatable scores. We think the scoring is just flawed, or the leaderboard set up should be changed.

No, I completely get what you're saying. I somewhat agree on some of it. How does your band use Overdrive? That has a lot to do with it as well. If the entire band is nailing their overdrive sections to build up overdrive, then using them together at the right times, overdrive can last a long time and rack up a lot of points. It's a different strategy than the star power on Guitar Hero. I play on expert for the most part, but there are times I play on hard to maximize score. Just like with Guitar Hero 2. For the longest time I had medium scores higher than my hard scores, even though I was doing decent on hard. Then I got better at hard and those were my highest scores. Then the same thing happened for expert. Trust me, expert has the potential for scoring the highest. If you hit the same notes and overdrive paths on expert as someone on hard you will no doubt beat their score. See what I'm saying. So give it some time. Like you said, this is not Guitar Hero. It's a brand new game. Give it some time.

[visualdeity]

I respectfully disagree. Have you forgotten what it was like to be just starting out at Guitar Hero? Playing medium, when you aren't experienced, is every bit as challenging (if not more so) than playing on expert is for us old hands. Those medium players deserve the props for their accomplishments just as much as you do for yours (unless, of course, they're down-ranking difficulty just to get a better leaderboard position, which is sleazy).

Besides, in the end, it's just a leaderboard, man. You seem really worked up over something which is incredibly inconsequential and worth nothing more than e-peen*.



* - If you can get real-life benefits, like getting laid, or making money, from being good at Rock Band, LET ME KNOW. I want in on that! ;)

[ClinTrojan]

ya b/c i dont feel like reading all that....I read half of it. If he is so hellbent on skillz, being L33T, pwning all the noobzorz, then he should play one the head to head gametypes and he can just own us all with his magical skillz of the "ROCK GODZ" one by one.

Me, im going to be playing, having fun, rocking out, enjoying myself and not worry about being on top of the leaderboards. To me your #1 when your enjoying yourself not counting points and stars to get ahead of everyone else for self endulgence.

[CollegeDropouts]

^^^This is more of what I was expecting for responses.... the "I don't care because I'm not that great" response. I will say that, this is hella new and the leaderboards might flush themselves out so you guys are right. I haven't even taken in the fact of how many more bands will be competing when Xmas hits. We use our overdrive all at the same time, and dont just use it when drum fills are available, we try to form a strat, but I get what you guys are saying about the leaderboards being fresh.

[Evil_Bunny_Hat]

i 100% percent agree with that

i am one of those competitive people and really see were he is coming from

[CollegeDropouts]

I respectfully disagree. Have you forgotten what it was like to be just starting out at Guitar Hero? Playing medium, when you aren't experienced, is every bit as challenging (if not more so) than playing on expert is for us old hands. Those medium players deserve the props for their accomplishments just as much as you do for yours (unless, of course, they're down-ranking difficulty just to get a better leaderboard position, which is sleazy).

Besides, in the end, it's just a leaderboard, man. You seem really worked up over something which is incredibly inconsequential and worth nothing more than e-peen*.



* - If you can get real-life benefits, like getting laid, or making money, from being good at Rock Band, LET ME KNOW. I want in on that! ;)

Yea, maybe you should reread some of my post, I said they deserve props, in their own league. I'm not complaining about not being the best, I'm complaining about the system and filter-less way to view the leaderboard. And btw buddy, you kind of contradict your sig... you want to know how to make money on a video game, but say the competition isn't worth anything but an e-peen? Tell that to MLG pros, and with GH3 possibly being tossed into the MLG mix for '08, people like Priest, and Iamchris4life will be sponsored, making anywhere from 20-200k over 1-3 yr contracts. ParadigmShift was advertised on VH1's spoof of making the band, a Rock Band Band promo. Do you think he did that for free? Maybe visit MLG.com and read a few things, and about the getting laid part... you should know that you get laided based off money, looks, or charm... so shoot for those three and you might hit, but you might miss.... keep rocking those medium note charts playa

[Eman311]

I really don't see the issue with combining every difficulty.

If a medium guitar, and expert drummer gets you far, so be it. If a full band, all on medium, gets you where you want to be so be it.

If people can bump down a difficulty, and this nets them "x" amount of more points, then kudos for them for realizing this.

If you really feel expert is the only way to go to deserve a top slot, then get better. An expert player can always outscore a medium if they're good enough.

[DrPepper]

Well written. Hopefully Dr. Pepper will be working its way in the ranks. Try to beat our score on "Welcome Home" and "Maps".


We've yet to do our endless setlist though >.<





Tomorrow's our scheduled day.











I don't get the whole fan thing though, it's kind of pointless imo. Keep up the good work though :D

[ClinTrojan]

^^^This is more of what I was expecting for responses.... the "I don't care because I'm not that great" response. I will say that, this is hella new and the leaderboards might flush themselves out so you guys are right. I haven't even taken in the fact of how many more bands will be competing when Xmas hits. We use our overdrive all at the same time, and dont just use it when drum fills are available, we try to form a strat, but I get what you guys are saying about the leaderboards being fresh.

lol little cocky much.....for one I am that great, I do play REAL drumset, but this is just a game, a very fun game that was greatly made at that. So all mighty master of rockband, since you are such a good artist at singing, guitar, and drums what songs can you actually play/sing on any of those?

If you all was that great you will be #1 when the leaderboards get flushed out.

[CollegeDropouts]

Yea, saw you guys creeping up too, keep it up bro. Our kit broke on Sunday, so we're waiting for a new one, but when we get it we'll do some jamming and see if we can keep up with you. Keep it up bro

[Nix]

i agree with what your saying, but the scoring system has always been flawed, in Rockband and GH. Guitar Hero II was the only game i was really trying to competivly keep up with my score, and i realized at somepoint that 5 staring all of hard was more substantially more points, and after 5staring all of hard i was in the top 2 or 3&#37;, but it didnt really feel like i earned it.
I guess there is always going to be people trying to get the top score, but all i really have to say on the subject is.... "It's just a game"

[Eman311]

We've been working our way up as well, certainly doubt we've played nearly as much as a lot of other bands near the top. Breaking the top 100 in both fans and score was a breeze.

[DrPepper]

What's your band's name? Oh, and what console?

[visualdeity]

Yea, maybe you should reread some of my post, I said they deserve props, in their own league. I'm not complaining about not being the best, I'm complaining about the system and filter-less way to view the leaderboard. And btw buddy, you kind of contradict your sig... you want to know how to make money on a video game, but say the competition isn't worth anything but an e-peen? Tell that to MLG pros, and with GH3 possibly being tossed into the MLG mix for '08, people like Priest, and Iamchris4life will be sponsored, making anywhere from 20-200k over 1-3 yr contracts. ParadigmShift was advertised on VH1's spoof of making the band, a Rock Band Band promo. Do you think he did that for free? Maybe visit MLG.com and read a few things, and about the getting laid part... you should know that you get laided based off money, looks, or charm... so shoot for those three and you might hit, but you might miss.... keep rocking those medium note charts playa

/facepalm

a) That wasn't my sig, it was part of my post, if that makes a difference.
b) It was a joke. I'm not seriously trying to get laid based off Rock Band. I do, however, seriously feel that the competition is worth only e-peen in the end.
c) I still think that they should all be put in the same place, because I feel that their accomplishment was just as challenging as yours. Obviously we disagree, but I'm not trying to flame you here, just offer an opposing point of view.
d) I play guitar/bass on expert, and while I'm not the best at it, I consider myself pretty decent, thank you very much. I play vocals on hard, moving up to expert soon, and drums are on medium, trying to work hard to get past it (drums are hard...). I'm not just some medium-playing dude defending his own, you do yourself a disservice to assume I am.

[CollegeDropouts]

College Drop-Outs for 360.

And for the people who think we are too noob or whatever and should bump to Hard, we will be ranked 1 again when we get our kit back, after we've done the 40 songs with a singer. If you can destroy Medium, and 100&#37; it, you are exploiting a broken system and should play on a more challenging difficulty. If we wanted to just be number one and stroke our e-peens***, we'd just play hard and 100% everything, but that's obvioulsy not the only reason we are playing. The first thing I said in my post, awesome game, love it no matter what flaws and how many broken instruments i've had (on my 3rd kit, and 2nd guitar). It's awesome and I'm happy to enjoy it, just asking for a leaderboard filter.

[DrPepper]

College Drop-Outs for 360.

And for the people who think we are too noob or whatever and should bump to Hard, we will be ranked 1 again when we get our kit back, after we've done the 40 songs with a singer. If you can destroy Medium, and 100% it, you are exploiting a broken system and should play on a more challenging difficulty. If we wanted to just be number one and stroke our e-peens***, we'd just play hard and 100% everything, but that's obvioulsy not the only reason we are playing. The first thing I said in my post, awesome game, love it no matter what flaws and how many broken instruments i've had (on my 3rd kit, and 2nd guitar). It's awesome and I'm happy to enjoy it, just asking for a leaderboard filter.


Agreed.

I meant E-man's band name though.

[CollegeDropouts]

[QUOTE=visualdeity;159082]/facepalm

b) It was a joke. I'm not seriously trying to get laid based off Rock Band. I do, however, seriously feel that the competition is worth only e-peen in the end.


I must have taken it the wrong way, my bad. It just seemed like a way to bash my post. And we can just agree to disagree I guess, but when you factor in an online feature for a multiplayer game, competition is obviously involved.

[Eman311]

Agreed.

I meant E-man's band name though.

The Asian Sensation on the 360. I know at last check we were above 100 for fans at around 6-6.5 million.

Scorewise we weren't terrible, we were above 200 I think nearing 100.

[Eman311]

College Drop-Outs for 360.

And for the people who think we are too noob or whatever and should bump to Hard, we will be ranked 1 again when we get our kit back, after we've done the 40 songs with a singer. If you can destroy Medium, and 100% it, you are exploiting a broken system and should play on a more challenging difficulty. If we wanted to just be number one and stroke our e-peens***, we'd just play hard and 100% everything, but that's obvioulsy not the only reason we are playing. The first thing I said in my post, awesome game, love it no matter what flaws and how many broken instruments i've had (on my 3rd kit, and 2nd guitar). It's awesome and I'm happy to enjoy it, just asking for a leaderboard filter.


I agree to an extent, but if all 4 of you can consistenly beat songs on all expert, eventually you will get A LOT better and you'll be destroying those people on medium with little effort.

[DrPepper]

The Asian Sensation on the 360. I know at last check we were above 100 for fans at around 6-6.5 million.

Scorewise we weren't terrible, we were above 200 I think nearing 100.

That's awesome :D


Our band is hoping to get near the top 10 tomorrow with the endless set, currently at 20 or so.

[MPeters]

of course people can always improve but if people are getting the high scores but going to lower difficulty, example of 100% songs on medium difficulty. obviously they CAN play hard and possibly expert but don't want to knowing the FLAWED scoring system so they play at lower difficulties. it's the games fault, period. everyone will be taking advantage of this, duhhhhhhhhhhhh. and that doesn't give them the respect to be in the top slots for "best bands" on the leaderboards. im assuming of course that all people playing on hard/expert levels KNOW how to use overdrive to max out the scores of the band. does playing expert which is 2 levels above medium, ok here. expert 97% medium 100% who is better? because that's really what its coming down to, and the medium is right behind expert. when naturally, expert should destroy the rest. hmx is just boosting the "average" players, when there should be a distinct line.

[DrPepper]

Well, as long as the expert players know how to use their star power right, they could get a higher score then those on medium though, correct?


I guess I'm a little confused. Raising medium scores to be parallel(sp)? with expert scores seems pretty damn absurd if that's the case.

[MPeters]

expert has more notes than all other difficulties, but when you miss a handfull you lose the multiplier correct? and apparently that alone even with good overdrives can make you slip on the charts.

but basically yea, thats whats going on. next time you guys get together, i mean this goes against what im trying to promote but jump on the bandwagon (pun) and try doing a difficulty you know you would get the best streak and percent on and use good use of overdrive and you should show some improvement in your scores. definitely.

[DrPepper]

Gah, screw that.


As long as our group keeps up the skill in expert, we'll keep doing damn good on the leaderboards.






I'll start a 'Medium scores are BS' band to spite them.

[Brute Physics]

Ok, so I registered just for this. IMO if a group can get a higher score by 100&#37; all hard songs then I think they deserve the top spot. Now I know this sounds crazy but I think its the truth.

Would you rather go to a concert by a totally new band and have them do a bunch of songs that were recognizable but probably easier and do them flawlessly, or go to a concert where a band overdoes themselves and the music becomes choppy because they are trying something they cannot do?

Once again this is just IMO but I would prefer the former rather than the latter. Also, unless I am mistaken the server takes the highest score independent of what level in which you scored it...so if you 100% all hard but then 100% a couple on expert then your score will be higher than those who 100% hard but not any on expert. What I am saying here is that accuracy and consistance should matter more than being able to simply pass the song.

Maybe they should introduce seperate rankings for expert, hard, medium, easy. The only problem with this game is deciding where a band goes where 1 person plays medium and the rest play hard... I personally think that if that 1med/3hard band can 100% then they are better than a 4hard 90%.

[Frederf]

My, my what a brash individual. Also: Wow, so much college-frat one-huge-post-without-paragraphs crotch-speak. I'm not going to touch any comment involving "noobs" or "skillz" with a ten-foot clown pole. There was a few things I will comment on without being brought down to the Counter-Strike headshot counters' level.

Firstly, these are leaderboards. Welcome to the Olympics. Only 2-3 band members? Too bad. Sprained your wrist? Too bad. Friends in another county? Too bad. Leaderboards are about the very top players who are getting the maximum out of the game. I have no sympathy for people chasing the leaderboard folly.

Secondly, why are bands judged off of number of fans? If you are sorting bands by their fan count, then I give you the benefit of the doubt of having received head trauma recently and have taken leave of your senses. If HMX someone designed the game that bands are ranked online by number of fans... then I imagine that they all have received repeated head trauma when making the game.

The obvious determinant of skill is the sum of all song scores in BWT (minus DLC, of course). Fans only show you how long you've been playing, not how skilled you are. If you can't sort by sum-score in BWT... well then the leaderboards are broken plain-and-simple and you shouldn't put stock in their results.

Thirdly, the scoring system is biased toward playing really well on a lower difficulty as opposed to less well on a higher difficulty. People will abuse this fact. I made a huge long (tm) post months back about how to undo that bias in the scoring, but it was received about as well as smallpox.

[Stevenam81]

of course people can always improve but if people are getting the high scores but going to lower difficulty, example of 100% songs on medium difficulty. obviously they CAN play hard and possibly expert but don't want to knowing the FLAWED scoring system so they play at lower difficulties. it's the games fault, period. everyone will be taking advantage of this, duhhhhhhhhhhhh. and that doesn't give them the respect to be in the top slots for "best bands" on the leaderboards. im assuming of course that all people playing on hard/expert levels KNOW how to use overdrive to max out the scores of the band. does playing expert which is 2 levels above medium, ok here. expert 97% medium 100% who is better? because that's really what its coming down to, and the medium is right behind expert. when naturally, expert should destroy the rest. hmx is just boosting the "average" players, when there should be a distinct line.

It depends on where the missed notes are. The scores are all about keeping a streak. Two guys could play on expert. If they both missed only 5 notes, but the first guy missed them in 5 different parts of the song his score will be lower than someone who missed the last 5 notes of the song. It also hurts your score to miss a note in an overdrive section, therefore not getting the overdrive. Also, if you use the overdrive and miss a note while in overdrive. There are many factors to take into account. 97% and 100% does not represent score. Two guys could both hit 100% notes and one could score 15,000 more points. Just like gold star thing. You can get gold stars on a song hitting 98% and someone else could hit 100% and not get gold stars.

The leaderboards are not flawed. It would be impossible to filter the bands correctly because there are 4 different instruments that can each play at one of 4 difficulties. Even two expert/two hard vs two expert/two hard would be different if one band had an expert drummer and singer while the other band had an expert bassist and guitarist. See what I'm saying? I don't know if my math is correct but I think there would be 64 different combinations. What about when a band changes its difficulty for different setlists, like people who step down a level on the mystery setlists. Trust me, it's way to complicated to mess with all that.

[Vrtra Theory]

One thing to remember is that we're talking about two different kinds of scores, with two different kinds of points.

If you're competing for World Tour fans, everyone has to play Expert to get to the top, so there's no medium/hard "cheating" going on there. As the OP mentioned, the cheating (if you want to call it that) is playing with only 2 people, Guitar/Bass, in order to bust through all the sets with 100%.

I mean, I'll be honest, our band (That's What She Said @30 mil fans, was in 10th spot on Tuesday) only plays with 2 people when we're going for fans. When we have everyone over and have all 4 instruments going, we usually drop down to hard or medium. I agree with the OP that this is a kind "cheating", but I think in the long run the Fan Leaderboard will straighten itself out: people like us, that are currently getting fans by milking 2-person performances on Expert, will eventually be surpassed by bands that manage to put together a 4-man team capable of playing Expert.

If you're going for song "scores" (like individual songs or totals), that's a totally different ballgame - here, more people is more points no matter what, but dropping down difficulty levels can actually be rewarding. I think this is where I disagree with the OP. The current scoring system basically says "play the highest difficulty level that you can 100%". I don't know that's a bad thing.

Remember that missing a note hurts a lot - even if every note was scored equally, missing 1 note and losing your multiplier is like missing 61 "base" notes in a row. In order for going up difficulty to be worth it, you need to be AS GOOD at that difficulty. 97% on Expert is almost always going to get fewer points than 100% on Hard, and that makes sense to me.

[MPeters]

yea haha dr.pepper i know what your saying. i actually tried convincing others in the band that maybe we should drop difficulties to score on the boards and they were like **** that, im not a noob. and i totally agree.

and according to that other guy, i agree that 1med/3hard that 100% against 4 hard that 90% that the 1st band is i guess better, considering there isnt that much difference (honestly) on those levels so the 100% IS better.
i tried to understand your real life situation saying you rather hear a band do really well on a song than barely doing it, but you do realize that when your playing on hard medium easy that you are NOT playing all the notes? so in a real life situation you wouldn't hear up to 15-20% of the song depending on the percentage of notes missing from how many there are on expert.
also, im not talking about barely passing a song. im talking about 95-99% expert vs 98-100% medium. differences that if not looking at the screen, the ear wouldn't even be able to tell, "oop! you missed a note!". so maybe you are thinking, ok this is absurd how can medium beat an expert that high %? and the answer, i have no ****in clue but it just does for some reason in band world tour/band quickplay. not all songs, but too many or most that it's affecting the higher skilled bands who work hard to play at the top difficulty.

[DrPepper]

I'd say there are 2 ways to getting your high scores at this point in the game

1. Drop your skills down to medium or hard and 100&#37; it all
2. Keep playing expert not doing quite as well



Option 1 may get you some high scores initially, but constantly playing on the tougher difficulty will help out your skills and get you the high scores in the long run.





I drum for us and I started on medium but moved up to expert as quickly as I could to challenge my skill and now I only play on expert. I believe that knowing the songs well enough and playing with more notes and skill will let the better skilled players rank up on the leaderboards later on in the game. Our only real downfall at times is singing and even though it has it's rough spots, we almost always do expert and it's upping our singers skill slowly.

[Brute Physics]

[QUOTE=MPeters;159233
and according to that other guy, i agree that 1med/3hard that 100% against 4 hard that 90% that the 1st band is i guess better, considering there isnt that much difference (honestly) on those levels so the 100% IS better.
i tried to understand your real life situation saying you rather hear a band do really well on a song than barely doing it, but you do realize that when your playing on hard medium easy that you are NOT playing all the notes? so in a real life situation you wouldn't hear up to 15-20% of the song depending on the percentage of notes missing from how many there are on expert.
also, im not talking about barely passing a song. im talking about 95-99% expert vs 98-100% medium. differences that if not looking at the screen, the ear wouldn't even be able to tell, "oop! you missed a note!". so maybe you are thinking, ok this is absurd how can medium beat an expert that high %? and the answer, i have no ****in clue but it just does for some reason in band world tour/band quickplay. not all songs, but too many or most that it's affecting the higher skilled bands who work hard to play at the top difficulty.[/QUOTE]

Ok I can see your point there and I can see the problem is the percentage range is that close but medium/hard is still on top. My suggestion would then be not to change the way the leaderboards work by actually the way scoring works. Make it so that for example...easy/medium/hard a note is worth 100points...but expert it is worth 150. This takes the strain off of having to keep the multiplier up aswell as rewarding those who play on expert.

I would say that it should be adjusted so that on average if the band scores 90% on expert that should be equal to say 100% on hard...then 90% on hard is 100% medium...etc. If the percentage difference right now is as close as 100%hard > 98% expert then that is a problem since it is so close.

I hope that makes sense.

[CollegeDropouts]

I think that makes awesome sense, and I kinda dig that idea. I just know that it will NEVER be implimented.

[MPeters]

brute physics - yea i know dude. i wish there was something like that. i like how the scoring system works, as in getting the unison bonus and strategically using the overdrive as a band. but i am liking your idea that the higher difficulty the more points a note is worth, im sure it can be properly done even if its slightly worth more. possibly a good idea for the next rock band installment. if that was the case and people gradually notice that the hard and expert players are scoring higher i think it would encourage bands to reach their potential rather than sit back on medium and climb the leaderboards the cowardly way. if medium is your thing and thats the difficulty you need to play on then thats fine, keep practicing and good luck. but if you are 95-100% most songs on medium, you know that you have the ability to play hard. time to graduate guys.

[AdamWill]

I'm with Electric Zen. Honestly, nothing in the drum part of RB is massively hard, and from what I've heard, nothing in guitar is harder than the hardest stuff in the GH series. With that in mind, very soon the top scores are going to be basically full-band 100%s on expert. No matter how good you are on hard, you're not going to beat that. So it's a passing issue, really.