Rock Band vs. Guitar Hero 3 - 3's and 7's Comparison Video (EXPERT) *requested

[vipeness]

Hey Guys...

I guess round 2 huh, LOL. I have been noticing that a lot of people that wrote into asking for a comparison video of the same song, but on EXPERT for both video. Well, I finally got that done. Below you will find a link that will take you to the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDNPtxZ9Y00

Please Note: This is a comparison video of GH3 and Rock Band on Lead Guitar on EXPERT. While noting there are a lot more notes on the GH3 version seems to add BASS notes to it's pad which is not a bad thing, but with Rock Band being an entire band, with Lead, Bass, Drums, and Vocals, Rock Band plays only Lead notes only.

*** if the link does not work above, you can view the video on the front page of my site; http://www.thegamershow.com

Enjoy the Video

[i5hawn]

thanks for this

[vipeness]

thanks for this

Welcome Man! I was very interested too after the medium video that I did to really look at and really see what has more notes. To be honest, I'm really like the Rock Band version because of the non-bass notes, which my friend plays lead, and I play bass, so he doesn't get to take all my notes I play.

[Zanaflex]

I am not a expert player (I will be soon, but not quite yet;) In either RB or GH. But have been playing real guitar for awhile. Yes I know these are just games etc.... But from watching the video GH's " chords" are a bunch of BS. What is funny, is that GH makes that song probably harder to play on the controller guitar then it is on a real guitar. WTF? Are RB's chords close to the real song? Heck no, but at least it seems like Harmonix knows what a powerchord is....

[erickOnasis412]

awesome video, thanks for posting it up.. i might have to buy 3's and 7's - looks alot more fun than the GH3 version.. i beat it on expert on GH3 but it was unncessarily hard.. RB looks more realistic with the note chart

[espher]

Great link.

I started laughing right away on this.

[vipeness]

Great link.

I started laughing right away on this.

How come? ;)

[DesiredFX]

The prevalence of three-note chords is obvious right from the start.

Apart from that, it also seems like there are parts where there is both a lead and a rhythm part going in the song, but GH3 expects one guitarist to play both. Crazy.

[vipeness]

The prevalence of three-note chords is obvious right from the start.

Apart from that, it also seems like there are parts where there is both a lead and a rhythm part going in the song, but the GH3 expects one guitarist to play both. Crazy.

very true, agreed

[DethBoxx]

There is nothing wrong with the GH3 note chart. It's EXPERT mode, *****es.
If you can't handle it then bump yourself back down to HARD.
Some of us like a challenge.

If you should be complaining about anything it should be the Slayer song on Hard.

[Rook_x51]

There is nothing wrong with the GH3 note chart. It's EXPERT mode, *****es.
If you can't handle it then bump yourself back down to HARD.
Some of us like a challenge.

If you should be complaining about anything it should be the Slayer song on Hard.

While you obviously don't understand the difference between a song being hard because the actual guitar parts are hard and the song being hard because the developer threw in extra notes for no reason, I completely agree with you on "Mosh 1" in Raining Blood. Unnecessarily spastic.

[Fortheloveofgod]

That vid makes RB look horribly easy :(

Not just the note charts, but the speed of the fret board and the chords aswell. It's like playing in medium, except you're using the orange note.

Expert is supposed to be the hardest difficulty.

[Rook_x51]

That vid makes RB look horribly easy :(

Not just the note charts, but the speed of the fret board and the chords aswell. It's like playing in medium, except you're using the orange note.

Expert is supposed to be the hardest difficulty.

Yes, but if the real guitar part is relatively simple should the note chart be crazy hard? I don't understand why people like having extra notes and 3 note chords in their note charts for no reason at all...

Can anyone explain it to me? That's just not fun for me.

[stephenu88]

the gh3 way is more accurate with the powerchords as this song is played with 3 string powerchords not 2

[stephenu88]

There is nothing wrong with the GH3 note chart. It's EXPERT mode, *****es.
If you can't handle it then bump yourself back down to HARD.
Some of us like a challenge.

If you should be complaining about anything it should be the Slayer song on Hard.


try it on expert...I practiced 'mosh 1' in practice mode for 2 hours and couldn't get it. I was so pissed I punched the hell out of my guitar, now the circuitboard is cracked:(

[DYoungEagle]

anger management perhaps?

[Rook_x51]

try it on expert...I practiced 'mosh 1' in practice mode for 2 hours and couldn't get it. I was so pissed I punched the hell out of my guitar, now the circuitboard is cracked:(

That seems... counter-productive.

[Ultrace]

Thanks for the video. Having seen this, I'll actually be picking up 3's and 7's for RB and playing it and enjoying it, not like GH3's version, which just has stupidly inflated difficulty. I never knew the song well enough myself to realize they were making you play bas portions in GH3 which is also bogus...

[Ultrace]

Yes, but if the real guitar part is relatively simple should the note chart be crazy hard? I don't understand why people like having extra notes and 3 note chords in their note charts for no reason at all...

Can anyone explain it to me? That's just not fun for me.
It's because instead of going with songs that actually represent that ultimate level of difficulty that RO/Activision is trying to present (Eruption, anyone?), they filled out the higher tiers with a number of less-difficult songs but felt the need to make them harder, whether because they wanted to set themselves apart from RB (perceived as a casual party-atmosphere kind of game), or because of the unrelenting thirst of people who complain about songs like Jordan on expert that are "too easy" or something... Thus we get songs with artificial inflation of difficulty and not realistically charted.

For months I looked forward to GH3 and playing a number of the songs with my wife, but attempting to push myself on Hard while she plays expert is an exercise in futility. I was especially looking forward to Knights of Cydonia. Unfortunately, while the beginning of the song is still marginally fun, the charting at about the halfway point completely breaks down, and there's even a 30+ second section of continuous hammer-ons/pull-offs. Now, I'm no guitarist, but I'm thinking you'd have to actually strum somewhere in there or the sound of the notes would start to change... I'm not going to even describe Raining Blood, except to say that it's utter crap. Before I Forget on expert has this incredibly irritating lengthy section of nothing but fast spread-finger chords (RY, GB, YO, etc.)

Rock Band may be "easier" than GH3, charting-wise, but I'll gladly take that because I feel like I'm actually playing with the music, and not against a game, which is one of the reasons I'm so excited to play it Christmas day. I feel like I did when I was ready to crack open GH1 and GH2 forever ago, only moreso.

[CyN1caL]

the gh3 way is more accurate with the powerchords as this song is played with 3 string powerchords not 2




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|-6-6--8-8--1010-8-8--6-6--8-8--8-8--1010-|-3/4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-|
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That's the chorus.

I don't know about you, but I use 2 fingers to play those, not 3.

[Rook_x51]

It's because instead of going with songs that actually represent that ultimate level of difficulty that RO/Activision is trying to present (Eruption, anyone?), they filled out the higher tiers with a number of less-difficult songs but felt the need to make them harder, whether because they wanted to set themselves apart from RB (perceived as a casual party-atmosphere kind of game), or because of the unrelenting thirst of people who complain about songs like Jordan on expert that are "too easy" or something... Thus we get songs with artificial inflation of difficulty and not realistically charted.

For months I looked forward to GH3 and playing a number of the songs with my wife, but attempting to push myself on Hard while she plays expert is an exercise in futility. I was especially looking forward to Knights of Cydonia. Unfortunately, while the beginning of the song is still marginally fun, the charting at about the halfway point completely breaks down, and there's even a 30+ second section of continuous hammer-ons/pull-offs. Now, I'm no guitarist, but I'm thinking you'd have to actually strum somewhere in there or the sound of the notes would start to change... I'm not going to even describe Raining Blood, except to say that it's utter crap. Before I Forget on expert has this incredibly irritating lengthy section of nothing but fast spread-finger chords (RY, GB, YO, etc.)

Rock Band may be "easier" than GH3, charting-wise, but I'll gladly take that because I feel like I'm actually playing with the music, and not against a game, which is one of the reasons I'm so excited to play it Christmas day. I feel like I did when I was ready to crack open GH1 and GH2 forever ago, only moreso.

I completely agree with you.

[Fortheloveofgod]

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That's the chorus.

I don't know about you, but I use 2 fingers to play those, not 3.

It's still a 3-stringed chord though, so it is 3 separate notes. Which is what GH3 did.

[DesiredFX]

It's still a 3-stringed chord though, so it is 3 separate notes. Which is what GH3 did.

All chords are at least three strings, or they wouldn't be a chord. Yeesh.

The point is that if the fretting is supposed to emulate the fingering, it should be using two-color chords, not three-color.

And this also doesn't answer my point about expecting one guitarist to play both the lead and the rhythm part simultaneously.

GH3 charts were clearly not programmed by musicians with the experience of the Harmonix crew. In previous GH games, I always felt, to some degree, like I was playing music. In GH3, I feel like I'm playing a video game.

[GHmanRON]

yeh.. you can tell red octane misses harmonix alot....it is less realistic then GH1&2 but u gotta admit GH3 does have good setlist

[Ultrace]

yeh.. you can tell red octane misses harmonix alot....it is less realistic then GH1&2 but u gotta admit GH3 does have good setlist
A good setlist means little when you don't enjoy playing the music. Whereas I could enjoy playing most GH2 songs up to and including some Expert, I enjoy very few of the GH3 songs above Medium. They just don't feel like the music.

[espher]

How come? ;)

As has been mentioned, the ridiculous GH3 charting.

It's like someone went through and added a bunch of cacodaemons to E1M1 on Ultra Violence simply to make the game challenging. ;)

[MJDoja]

All chords are at least three strings, or they wouldn't be a chord. Yeesh.

The point is that if the fretting is supposed to emulate the fingering, it should be using two-color chords, not three-color.

And this also doesn't answer my point about expecting one guitarist to play both the lead and the rhythm part simultaneously.

GH3 charts were clearly not programmed by musicians with the experience of the Harmonix crew. In previous GH games, I always felt, to some degree, like I was playing music. In GH3, I feel like I'm playing a video game.

oo yeah.. huhhhh?!

haha at the guy who thought 3 notes = 3 strings = 3 buttons..

[Fortheloveofgod]

oo yeah.. huhhhh?!

haha at the guy who thought 3 notes = 3 strings = 3 buttons..

I don't get it.

3 notes in the song = 3 notes in the game. Which is what's being used when you play 3 buttons.

Unless I missed something?

[Alzdaman]

As has been mentioned, the ridiculous GH3 charting.

It's like someone went through and added a bunch of cacodaemons to E1M1 on Ultra Violence simply to make the game challenging. ;)

I love doom.

[Sport]

I don't get it.

3 notes in the song = 3 notes in the game. Which is what's being used when you play 3 buttons.

Unless I missed something?

No one plays three string power chords with 3 fingers. Unless they have midget hands.

[espher]

I love doom.

E1M1 is one of the best tunes of all time. :p

[Apples]

It is actually pretty remarkable that the charts have such striking similarities despite the fact they were developed independently.

Having said that, I personally appreciate the lack of triple chord nonsense in the RB version. Quite simply, it's an excessive and un-fun complication to the chart. It has nothing to do with my skill level, because I've 5 starred both versions, but I enjoy the RB version much more.

I am disappointed by the lyrics though... they have nothing to do with 3's or 7's. :(

[DesiredFX]

I am disappointed by the lyrics though... they have nothing to do with 3's or 7's. :(

I'm not enough of a musician to be able to hear this, but I thought it might have something to do with the intervals or chords in the song...bunch of thirds followed by a bunch of sevenths, or some such.

Anyone?

[Ultrace]

I'm not enough of a musician to be able to hear this, but I thought it might have something to do with the intervals or chords in the song...bunch of thirds followed by a bunch of sevenths, or some such.

Anyone?
I actually thought I read somewhere that the title of the song had to due with the size (in inches) of 33- and 45-rpm records... But I don't know the lyrics of the song or whether that makes sense. It could be complete hogwash.

[killroy420]

Ah, these RB vs GH threads crack me up. Ppl seem to be forgetting that these two games are VERY different. Ppl who say RB is "too easy" need to ask themselves, " would a casual game player (like our moms and dads) at a party enjoy playing a crazy metal song like Through Fires and Flames (or any other song on GHIII) with notes they can barely follow? RB is made for the party. It is made for the group, those gaps in charts is so that person can take a quick break while the rest of the group contiues grooving. It gives everyone a chance to get into the music TOGETHER

GHIII on the other hand, is purely a solo (or duo) experience, and in my mind was designed as purely fan service for those hardcore GH fanboys that have absolutely dominated the rest of the series.

The two games are for two different groups of people. If your one of hte hardcore GHIII fanatics and you find RB to be too easy, then you either need to play the drums (which are far from easy), download some new songs with a decidely higher level of difficulty (Metallica comes to mind ), or get some damn friends cause you obviously have none.

I bet almost everyone could agree with me that playing an "easier" game with a ton of friends around, is a far better experience then rocking out on "extreme" by yourself

[DesiredFX]

I actually thought I read somewhere that the title of the song had to due with the size (in inches) of 33- and 45-rpm records... But I don't know the lyrics of the song or whether that makes sense. It could be complete hogwash.

"7s" could refer to 7-inch 45 RPM records, but I don't know what "3s" would refer to in that case--33.3 RPM records are 12-inch.

Can't say I've ever seen a 3-inch vinyl record, though I've seen 3-inch mini-CDs. Maybe 3 inches is the length of a cassette tape?

[vipeness]

"7s" could refer to 7-inch 45 RPM records, but I don't know what "3s" would refer to in that case--33.3 RPM records are 12-inch.

Can't say I've ever seen a 3-inch vinyl record, though I've seen 3-inch mini-CDs. Maybe 3 inches is the length of a cassette tape?

3's and 7's" is the second single by Queens of the Stone Age from their 2007 album Era Vulgaris. It was released on June 4, 2007 and followed the digital download-only Sick, Sick, Sick.[1] The single has debuted at #1 on the United Kingdom rock chart[2] and at #19 on the official UK top 40 singles chart.[3]

3's & 7's is featured in Madden 08 and was the very first song announced in music video game Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock. Additionally, the song — along with Queens of the Stone Age's other songs "Sick, Sick, Sick" and "Little Sister" — is set to appear as downloadable content for upcoming music video game Rock Band, in a three-song pack shortly after the game has been released. The song also made a brief appearance at the beginning of the second episode of the CW series Reaper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3%27s_%26_7%27s

[Ultrace]

3's and 7's" is the second single by Queens of the Stone Age from their 2007 album Era Vulgaris. It was released on June 4, 2007 and followed the digital download-only Sick, Sick, Sick.[1] The single has debuted at #1 on the United Kingdom rock chart[2] and at #19 on the official UK top 40 singles chart.[3]

3's & 7's is featured in Madden 08 and was the very first song announced in music video game Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock. Additionally, the song — along with Queens of the Stone Age's other songs "Sick, Sick, Sick" and "Little Sister" — is set to appear as downloadable content for upcoming music video game Rock Band, in a three-song pack shortly after the game has been released. The song also made a brief appearance at the beginning of the second episode of the CW series Reaper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3%27s_%26_7%27s
That doesn't clarify the meaning of the name, which is what we're trying to figure out...

[Zanaflex]

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That's the chorus.

I don't know about you, but I use 2 fingers to play those, not 3.

Ok I am going to break this down a but for yall. Seems like even some of the 'real guitarist" here are somewhat confused.

What is above is actually not a "power chord" (even tho you can think of it just like one), but a TRUE power chord is only 2 notes. While alot of beginners use 2 fingers to play to play these chords, I will say 90% of intermediate to pro level players (unless they are doing it to look cool) will use 3 fingers to play those chords. So take the first chord in this song, you would put your Index finger on the "4", ring on the "6", and your pinky on the next "6".

My point is on that, is that in that video RB is emulating this, with a 3 button chord, that skips where you would put your middle finger. For example: A Red, Blue, Orange Chord, in theory you would use.... Guess what?! Your Index, Ring, Pinky to play!

And in the GH video, almost all the chords are Yellow, Blue, Orange. I can't think of a realistic way to play a power chord mashing down your Index, Middle, and Ring....

[Sport]

Its a matter or preference. I prefer to bar the two with my ring finger when playing power chords, just as i prefer to bar all 3 in the other bar chord "configuration" (the one resembling an open A). Sometimes i'll play either of those with my pinky, but most of the time i don't.

[Zanaflex]

Its a matter or preference. I prefer to bar the two with my ring finger when playing power chords, just as i prefer to bar all 3 in the other bar chord "configuration" (the one resembling an open A). Sometimes i'll play either of those with my pinky, but most of the time i don't.

Ok so what do you do when you find a chord like this?

-----4----
-----4----
-----5----
-----6----
-----6----
-----4----

My point is, is that if you get used to playing 5th chords (like the 4-6-6, which is a G#5) using your index, ring, pinky. Then when you need to play the bar chord like above, your middle is already in the right position for the "5" in that chord above.

[Sport]

I play a full bar chord like that just the way you describe it. But music involving power chords, or 5th chords, generally is a completely different style (faster or move around more) then music with full bar chords (with plenty of exceptions, of course). Sure playing it with your pinky makes it easier to add the third, but what is the point? Most songs don't switch back and forth between power chords and full bar chords so much. I'd have to guess that power chords became so popular because of how easy they are to play. Pick up a guitar, slap two fingers down and commence rocking. There is no need for any kind of proper hand technique or for specific finger placement; its all about making music that is awesome. Like i said before, i play them with my pinky sometimes, but usually not. Your point isn't wrong. All i'm saying is that from a pure rockage stand point (and my own guitar playing experience), 5th chords (even those spanning three strings) represented by two buttons on a plastic controller makes a lot of sense to me and plenty of others.

I'd like to add that, just like many others, the thing that got me hooked into guitar hero in the first place was how right it felt to play the songs in the game (i've been playing real guitar for about 7 or 8 years i think). Guitar hero III did not feel right. I find most of the songs considerably less fun, and haven't played most of them since i 5 starred them playing through career mode for the first time. The only songs that hang me up now are the ones with ridiculous three finger chord changes that twist my fingers in a knot, that are clearly just power chords or bar chords sliding around.

[Zanaflex]

Point and counter point! hahah j/k

You do make a good point. I guess what I see more of (and no offense to you) is people getting STUCK at only being able to use thier index and ring for "power chords". You are correct on personal preference tho. Like myself, I almost always use my pinky and it doesn't "slow" me down one bit.

Now actually about this and the other game;) I never said that 2 button chords make no sense (if that is how it came across I goofed). If there is a chord in the game that is green and yellow it feels like a "power chord", if there is one that is G,Y,B it feels like a 5th. Etc, Etc..... Even a Y,B chord still "feels" like part of a chord. The point I was trying to make was in this video GH has alot of 3 button chords that are right next to each other like Y,B,O. To me that doesn't feel like anything relative to a guitar chord.

[DethBoxx]

You have to consider that a real guitar fretboard lays out in 2 dimensions - up and down the frets and across the strings. With the GH/RB guitar you only have 1 dimension -- up and down the fretboard with 5 buttons, so that doesn't map directly to real guitar chords. Multiple button combos need to be used to get the feel of changing to different chords, and I don't think you can really say something like 'Y,B,O' isn't like a real guitar chord. It's like a voicing that spans across strings but doesn't span as many frets, not unusual at all.

As far as 3 note power chords on real guitar, I can play them with any combo of 2 fingers on my left hand, but most of the time I would use 3 fingers because it's more flexible.

[visualdeity]

No one plays three string power chords with 3 fingers. Unless they have midget hands.

I do, and I have normal-sized hands. It's an order of magnitude more comfortable to finger it with 3 fingers than 2, why should I make things harder on myself?

[blue_dragonzero]

Great link.

I started laughing right away on this.

Good show on correcting that guy who thought that power chords are played with 3 fingers, but you do use 3 fingers on a 2-3-4 power chord.

[Julio_No_Mas]

A good setlist means little when you don't enjoy playing the music.
Not their fault that you suck at the game. Practice.

[Ultrace]

Not their fault that you suck at the game. Practice.
Well, I beat GH1, GH2, 80s and most of GH3 on Hard... If I can't beat each game on Expert, I suck? Is that the mindset of GH players now? Wouldn't surprise me given the way the series has evolved.

Fact is, GH3 has over-inflated difficulty compared to the actual songs being played, and the songs don't feel "natural." It's been shown that single notes have been turned into chords, 3-fret chords overused, hammer-on and pull-off sections inserted where there shouldn't be any, and songs have lead guitarists playing portions of the rhythm and even bass guitar.

Honestly, with that in mind, I'd rather suck at GH3 and excel at RB where it feels like I'm playing the music and where I was able to 4-star hard songs at the tour. There, I'm working with the music, not against the game. This is probably the biggest idealogical difference between the two games and their developers.

[sushi111]

The Rock Band version of the riff is almost exactly how you play it on real guitar

[JBabin3xb]

It's still a 3-stringed chord though, so it is 3 separate notes. Which is what GH3 did.

but they are fret buttons... not string buttons

[CollegeDropouts]

All this griping is making my head hurt. It's THIS simple....

People don't care that they aren't playing it 'exactly' how it's supposed to be played, if that were the case, please play Through Fire and Flame on Expert and tap the beginning accurately, play Welcome Home on Expert (or any difficulty) and vibrato with your left hand the actual vibrato, and demonstrate pinch harmonics with your right hand by playing higher on the strum bar as to emulate playing closer to the pick-up.. don't forget to let part of your thumb hit the string too... you ARE using a pick... right? Wrong, you aren't. It's a simulation game and you'll only get as accurate as the game designer will let you.

The reason for the 3 notes, and addition lines is because it's on Expert, and ALMOST anybody who has a problem with it, more than likely cannot play it very well, or even play it at all. That's the bottom line.

Shooter games that give the same recoil for a 44 as they would a 22... is that accurate? What about move speed in the games considering the weapon you're carrying.... accurate? There are hundreds of comparisons I could make, bottom line is...

People don't like things they cannot do very well, and if there is an option to complain they will.

Notice how the guy who STARTED this thread said that GH adds notes but it's not a bad thing. This is my FAVORITE song to play on GH expert, and I can 100% it almost 100% of the time, but before I learned how to play it correctly on GH, I hated and DREADED playing it. Not because it didn't accurately display playing the real song, but because it was difficult, and for a reason... I was playing EXPERT. At least I can admit that I disliked it because it was too difficult.... most of you can't, and never will.

[visualdeity]

All this griping is making my head hurt. It's THIS simple....

People don't care that they aren't playing it 'exactly' how it's supposed to be played, if that were the case, please play Through Fire and Flame on Expert and tap the beginning accurately, play Welcome Home on Expert (or any difficulty) and vibrato with your left hand the actual vibrato, and demonstrate pinch harmonics with your right hand by playing higher on the strum bar as to emulate playing closer to the pick-up.. don't forget to let part of your thumb hit the string too... you ARE using a pick... right? Wrong, you aren't. It's a simulation game and you'll only get as accurate as the game designer will let you.

The reason for the 3 notes, and addition lines is because it's on Expert, and ALMOST anybody who has a problem with it, more than likely cannot play it very well, or even play it at all. That's the bottom line.

Shooter games that give the same recoil for a 44 as they would a 22... is that accurate? What about move speed in the games considering the weapon you're carrying.... accurate? There are hundreds of comparisons I could make, bottom line is...

People don't like things they cannot do very well, and if there is an option to complain they will.

Notice how the guy who STARTED this thread said that GH adds notes but it's not a bad thing. This is my FAVORITE song to play on GH expert, and I can 100% it almost 100% of the time, but before I learned how to play it correctly on GH, I hated and DREADED playing it. At least I can admit that I disliked it because it was too difficult.... most of you can't, and never will.

Wow, nice elitist assumption that anyone who dislikes the chart does so because it's too hard for them. It's entirely possible to dislike a note chart regardless of whether it's too hard for you: I still can't stand the expert note chart for Sharp Dressed Man in GH1, even though it's well below my threshold of what I can play. Whether someone can play the song or not has no bearing, necessarily, on whether they think the chart is just stupid and should be charted differently.

And before you go accusing me of just whining because I can't play it, I don't even try. I don't play it on GH3, and I don't have it downloaded for Rock Band, because I can't stand the song itself. So no accusations of nubtasticness, because they don't apply to me in this case.

[CollegeDropouts]

First off, not impressed with your attempt to articulate yourself.... not impressed at all. (Note: Your next post will say something along the lines... 'this is just how I speak, sorry but just because it's an online forum doesn't mean I have to belittle myself to the likes of your')

Second, notice words like "Most" and "Most likely". You say you don't like the song, so you obviously couldn't care LESS about the note chart... correct? I don't LIKE mayo, so I don't care which kind they use on a sandwich, as long as it's not on MY sandwich. Not liking a song, for the note chart, or for the song has NOTHING to do with how accurate the note chart is compared to the real guitar. So you're totally missed my point, and the point of this thread. Congrats!

[Quinarvy]

All I can say of this thread is "wow".

As for the video, the GH3 chart is ridiculous. Really, whats with the massive use of non-lead guitar notes? I don't know about you, but I don't know anyone who can play bass, lead, and rhythm guitar at the same time.

[visualdeity]

First off, not impressed with your attempt to articulate yourself.... not impressed at all. (Note: Your next post will say something along the lines... 'this is just how I speak, sorry but just because it's an online forum doesn't mean I have to belittle myself to the likes of your')

Second, notice words like "Most" and "Most likely". You say you don't like the song, so you obviously couldn't care LESS about the note chart... correct? I don't LIKE mayo, so I don't care which kind they use on a sandwich, as long as it's not on MY sandwich. Not liking a song, for the note chart, or for the song has NOTHING to do with how accurate the note chart is compared to the real guitar. So you're totally missed my point, and the point of this thread. Congrats!

Er... I guess grats, because you don't like my writing style? Unless you want to offer up specific criticisms, I don't see what the hell the way I write has to do with the topic at hand.

And you're correct, I don't care what the note chart is like. I only mentioned that because I've seen you post before, and I've come to understand that you're the type of person who would probably have tried to say that my opinion was irrelevant because I was whining, due to the song being too hard.

Let me quote here from your post which I took issue with:

"At least I can admit that I disliked it because it was too difficult.... most of you can't, and never will."

That, right there, says it all. That one sentence tells us that you think people dislike it because it's too difficult, and are just whining because it's too hard. You apparently missed MY point: difficulty has not a damn thing to do with how fun or not fun the note chart is. Presumably those who are bashing GH3's note chart are doing so because they think it's not fun, not because it's too hard. This thread may be mostly about how accurate GH3's note chart is, but that sure as hell isn't the point that comes across in your post. Oh, you mention it, certainly (and your points about that are correct, I might add). But by ending your post with an accusation like that, you changed the entire tone and meaning of what you said.

[DesiredFX]

but they are fret buttons... not string buttons

This point has been lost for page after page after page: the action you take with your hand to make a "chord" in guitar simulator games bears almost no resemblance to the action you take to play a chord on an actual guitar.

For that matter, the way you press the fret buttons--with the pads of your fingers--more closely resembles playing a bass than a guitar.

So complaints about how "realistic" the charts are are simply ludicrous. Gauge the chart on how musical it feels when you play it.

To me, the purpose of these games is to make me feel like I'm actually playing the song, and the GH3 charts instead make me feel like I'm playing a video game. As a result, I consider them to be a dismal failure in almost every case.

And, yes, it is ridiculous to expect a single player to play the lead and rhythm lines at the same time. It completely breaks the illusion of playing the song because there is no way in hell that you would be able to do that on an actual guitar.

[Amish Robot]

Here's a question from someone who knows jack-squat about playing a real guitar:

I'm pretty sure that GH1 & GH2 (and I believe several RB tracks as well) have both lead and rhythm parts tracked out on the note charts, but as far as I can tell they kindof jump back and forth between the two. Are you referring specifically to GH3 actually mixing the lead and rhythm parts together and not just alternating them, or am I completely off-base to begin with?

[cutmaclass]

To me, the purpose of these games is to make me feel like I'm actually playing the song, and the GH3 charts instead make me feel like I'm playing a video game. As a result, I consider them to be a dismal failure in almost every case.
So, in other words, GH3 doesn't achieve its desired effects.

*bu-dum ching*

[DesiredFX]

So, in other words, GH3 doesn't achieve its desired effects.

*bu-dum ching*

I've had this screen name for almost ten years now on various sites and--believe it or don't--you're the very first person to actually attempt to use it that way.

And very well, too.

So I have a virtual cookie for you, but not one that your Spyware detector will have to clean up.

[HypodermicMD]

tl;dr

I realise that people enjoy GH on expert because it is a challenge, but I have a really hard time wrapping my head around hard or expert in GH because it doesn't remotely follow the actual music. I've been playing some sort of instrument since I was a real little kid, and I'm by no means an expert at anything, but I appreciate RB's more genuine tabs. I think theres a place for both GH3 and RB in the world, I just prefer RB. I might actually be able to play on hard in RB if I can ever get my pinky to work.

[DethBoxx]

All I can say of this thread is "wow".

As for the video, the GH3 chart is ridiculous. Really, whats with the massive use of non-lead guitar notes? I don't know about you, but I don't know anyone who can play bass, lead, and rhythm guitar at the same time.

Sucks for you.

[blue_dragonzero]

This point has been lost for page after page after page: the action you take with your hand to make a "chord" in guitar simulator games bears almost no resemblance to the action you take to play a chord on an actual guitar.

For that matter, the way you press the fret buttons--with the pads of your fingers--more closely resembles playing a bass than a guitar.

So complaints about how "realistic" the charts are are simply ludicrous. Gauge the chart on how musical it feels when you play it.

To me, the purpose of these games is to make me feel like I'm actually playing the song, and the GH3 charts instead make me feel like I'm playing a video game. As a result, I consider them to be a dismal failure in almost every case.

And, yes, it is ridiculous to expect a single player to play the lead and rhythm lines at the same time. It completely breaks the illusion of playing the song because there is no way in hell that you would be able to do that on an actual guitar.

I can.

[Parodygm]

Sucks for you.

Masterful contribution to this thread. Maybe you should consider never posting again?

I think the unbundling of the parts is a natural facet of Rock Band being a team game. Guitar Hero has its own charm, even if some of the note charts have tended to get ridiculous.

[sporkBrigade]

At least I can admit that I disliked it because it was too difficult.... most of you can't, and never will.

Love the song, 5 starred it on expert. The chart is rubbish. The chords feel like sh** on a stick. The rhthym makes it somewhat bearable, because that's the strength of that song, but the chord progression is terrible. It's hard, it's challenging, and I patted myself on the back when I learned it. It's still terrible.

The real fact is that some people like GH3, and that's super. But a lot of people don't, and it's not as simple as how difficult it is. There is a problem with how Neversoft uses 3 button chords. If you don't mind it, fine. But don't start pointing the noob stick. It's not that simple, there are very valid reasons to dislike what they've done.

[jq715861]

This chart is nothing compared to "Mauvais Garcon" by NAAST

Now that is a messed up chord chart.

[polishdog90]

This chart is nothing compared to "Mauvais Garcon" by NAAST

Now that is a messed up chord chart.

Damnit. You just brought up some memories I never wanted to think about. That song is like putting chords in a blender and having them just all over the place.

[DesiredFX]

I can.

No, you can't--not for that song, anyway.

The lead part sustains over the rhythm part, so as soon as you break your lead fingering to form the chord for the rhythm part, you're no longer playing the song the way it was recorded.

[vipeness]

I am still liking the Rock Band version no matter what is said. It is clear that they add bass notes to lead guitar on GH3. I mean, just because they add more notes, doesn't mean you are really hitting them in real life. Up right now, is the music industry is blaming Rock Band and GH3 because it is pulling musicians away from real life music and making them think they can get their play craving from the game, besides the real thing and come up with real new music. I think that these would draw more people into the business to make new music. I mean, I know Guitar Store has had record sales lately on instruments and up 62% in new customers.

[hoel54]

I love the game, it has made me and friends spend countless hours Rockin Out
but the more we played the more i saw that the standard guitar i had just wasnt going to cut it
luckily i went online and look at some of the better guitars on the market and found this company

http://www.theantcommandos.com/doubl...e_freedom.aspx

go check em out
they have bass guitars on the way too
i bought a double range freedom V
best decision i have made besides buying rock band itself

[snwns26]

the gh3 way is more accurate with the powerchords as this song is played with 3 string powerchords not 2

No one uses three fingers to play those, they're played like power chords with two fingers. RB's representation is way better. I made a custom chart for it a while back and came to the same dilemma. I decided that the song is played on real guitar using two fingers in the intro and verse and stuff so there should only be two frets mapped to the chord, not an overly hard and pointless three.

[sporkBrigade]

I love the game, it has made me and friends spend countless hours Rockin Out
but the more we played the more i saw that the standard guitar i had just wasnt going to cut it
luckily i went online and look at some of the better guitars on the market and found this company

http://www.theantcommandos.com/doubl...e_freedom.aspx

go check em out
they have bass guitars on the way too
i bought a double range freedom V
best decision i have made besides buying rock band itself

WTF??

As for the thread, I think everything that needed to be said was said. Some people think 3 button power chords are better, others think it's dumb. Either way, GH3 has harder charts, just fact of the matter. If you like it, play it. If you don't, don't. Rock Band is awesome either way, now let's all drink tea and eat biscuits.

[ShadowOfEden]

The prevalence of three-note chords is obvious right from the start.

Apart from that, it also seems like there are parts where there is both a lead and a rhythm part going in the song, but GH3 expects one guitarist to play both. Crazy.

Well, it is Guitar HERO, not Rock BAND. In one, it makes senses to play overly hard tracks, and on the other, it makes senses that each instruments plays its note.

And Rock Band would suck if it would be hard like GH3. When you're with a group of friends and you lose fans every times you fail, you don't want the guitar to fail the song 20 times, because everyone will be bored. On solo, you pretty much have all the time you need to practice. GH3 would be boring if it would have RB's note charts, since you would have nothing to do with the game after 2 weeks.

For the lead to play rythm isn't far that extreme. When lead plays bass, that's pushing the limits. But when lead plays keyboard notes, now it's getting ridiculous. What will they do in Guitar Hero 4? The guitarist will play the notes of both guitars, bass AND drums!

[knara]

All chords are at least three strings, or they wouldn't be a chord. Yeesh.

While technically true (powerchords are officially dyads), 5ths have been called powercords for many decades, so for all practical purposes (aside from conservatory tea-time bickering) chords really only require you to sound two notes simultaneously.

Besides, under heavy dist/OD, you can't really hear the octave if you add it, so the point is practically moot.



No one uses three fingers to play those, they're played like power chords with two fingers. RB's representation is way better.
This is correct. The only time you'd play the octave of a power chord root with a third finger is if you were wanting to pull off onto another fret, but really at the point you're most likely playing a barre chord, not a power chord (and a powerchord is just a subset of a barre chord, anyway).

I need to point out, though, that even RB adds in "extra notes" as the difficulty increases. Not for guitar as egregiously as GH3 does (though I have a bone to pick with some of the solos in both GH3 and RB, as some of them are essentially random note strikes and noise that the original performers don't reproduce live -- so why should I have to kill myself to reproduce a one-off?), but for drums. i.e. Run to the Hills has way, way more hi-hat strikes in it than Clive Burr (or even Nicko in live tracks) played. It's also been noticed in other songs, as well. And it's too bad, really. As the difficulty level increases, it should be more and more like playing the actual song. A lot of popular, energetic songs do *not* have particularly complex drum lines to them.

Making up notes just to make things harder is stupid.