NASCAR's biggest race called due to rain

[n4sc4r]

Damn. Matt Kenseth won what turned out to be a rain shortened race after only 152 of the intended 200 laps. This was also legendary car owner Jack Roush's (a.k.a. The Cat in the Hat) first ever Daytona 500 win. Finishing second was 2007 winner Kevin Harvick.

The coolest thing off it all was the third place finisher. A.J. Allmendinger finished third in his first Daytona 500 after missing the last 2 years and having to race his way in.

The biggest disappointment came from hendrick Motorsports, of whom the highest finishing driver was Jeff Gordon in 13th. Mark Martin finished 16th after gambling late in the race to take tires. Dale Earnhardt Jr. finished 27th after overcoming a lap penalty or pitting with his front tire on the side line. Jimmie Johnson, whom was trapped a lap down early during pit stops, would finish 30th, the worst of the four drivers.

A few drivers were taken out in wrecks, including Kyle Busch, Brian Vickers, and the promising Joey Logano. Jeff Burton's car was also damaged in a wreck.

Some new teams that finished well were Clint Bowyer in the 33 Cherrios chevrolet, whom finished 4th, new car owner Tony Stewart whom finished in 8th, and Reed Sorenson, whom brought the legendary 43 home in 9th.

All in all, the race was a nice, competitive race, which is why I am all the more saddened by it's early ending.

[n4sc4r]

Upon looking over my op, it looks like a newspaper article in a way. Awesome. Anyways, feel free to discuss.

[bmaninc]

To me, the Daytona 500 should be like a playoff game, you play until its finished.

[n4sc4r]

To me, the Daytona 500 should be like a playoff game, you play until its finished.

I agree wholeheartedly. But sadly, there was a good hour and a half of rain still to come. Because of that, the race wouldn't have been able to be restarted until upwards of midnight. While I find that acceptable, the fans would have a hard time staying awake (Especially the drunk ones) and they felt that a good enough show was put on. They would have postponed it until tomorrow had it ended before the halfway point of the race.

[mimic]

Dale jr is an idiot.

Most popular driver because of his daddy. Doesn't have a shred of the talent his dad had. Screws up twice in the pits, get's irritated and wrecks a guy on purpose which ends up wrecking a bunch of cars. Doesn't have the balls to admit it.

You'd think if he had talent he'd be winning like crazy seeing as he's in one of the best cars in the field with hendrick. Nope. Everytime I see him being interviewed after the races he's whining and moping. Looks like he's on the verge of tears.

There is a rule that if the car is on or over the white line of the pit box they are held a lap. He says he was only over it an inch, so the rule should be changed. What the hell difference does it make if it's an inch or a foot? It's a rule, you broke it, suck it up.

I rank that idiot up there with Michael Waltrip.

[Daesania]

I like car races, I wish i could get into nascar but their fans scare me and I dont want to be considered a "nascar fan" aaah!

[Transbrak]

I like car races, I wish i could get into nascar but their fans scare me and I dont want to be considered a "nascar fan" aaah!

I like car races too, but I don't consider going around in circles for hours on end a car race.

[n4sc4r]

Dale jr is an idiot.

Most popular driver because of his daddy. Doesn't have a shred of the talent his dad had. Screws up twice in the pits, get's irritated and wrecks a guy on purpose which ends up wrecking a bunch of cars. Doesn't have the balls to admit it.

You'd think if he had talent he'd be winning like crazy seeing as he's in one of the best cars in the field with hendrick. Nope. Everytime I see him being interviewed after the races he's whining and moping. Looks like he's on the verge of tears.

There is a rule that if the car is on or over the white line of the pit box they are held a lap. He says he was only over it an inch, so the rule should be changed. What the hell difference does it make if it's an inch or a foot? It's a rule, you broke it, suck it up.

I rank that idiot up there with Michael Waltrip.

I'm going to bring up three points here, and try to be subjective.

1. The wreck was kind of a freik thing. When watching it, he comes up quick, but the way he clips Vickers along with how it happened causes me to believe that it truly was accidental. That said, I find it unfair that Brian Vickers was made out to be a saint. First off, he shoved Jr. way down off the track on purpose, which is just stupid. He was "racing him to the line". I've never heard that in my life. Also, was it not he whom wrecked Dale Jr. and Jimmie Johnson in the same kind of fashion at Talladega for his only win?

2. I don't think it's his talent that's preventing him from winning. First off, at Daytona and Talladega he literally gets no help when they get under 30 laps. He tends to try to make a move, but no one ever goes with him. Now at the other tracks that isn't an excuse, but the fact that Tony Eury Jr. doesn't adjust well on the car and has him stay out and come in at the stupidest times doesn't help.
For the sentence about whining, are you sure you didn't mean Jeff Gordon or especially Kyle Busch? Gordon will admit it when he's wrecked, but never when he wrecks someone (See: Kenseth at Chicagoland a few years ago. He just got loose my a$$). Kyle Busch has even declined interviews so he can go off and pout! Just last night he did so during the Nationwide race because his attempt to wreck Stewart on the last lap to win failed.

3. While I don't agree with him complaining much about this, I must admit he's right. They can have the back tires on the line, so what's the difference if the front tire is on it? It makes no sense, and they need to make it either tire or neither.

There, my wall of text has ended. While I'm not proud of the wreck, I must admit I see where he's coming from. 20 years ago it wouldn't even have been a big deal. NASCAR has certainly changed.

[n4sc4r]

I like car races too, but I don't consider going around in circles for hours on end a car race.
It seems so simple to do, yet it is considered one of the hardest racing leagues out by some drivers (See: Juan Pablo Montoya can't even win a race at anything but a road course). The cars are just so hard to get adjusted the way you want them.

[benson111]

Go FORD!


:D

[n4sc4r]

If by ford, you mean Chevy, then yes. :p

I am happy that Kenseth got such an honor as winning the Daytona 500 though. He is such a neat guy.

[benson111]

If by ford, you mean Chevy, then yes. :p

I am happy that Kenseth got such an honor as winning the Daytona 500 though. He is such a neat guy.

We will see. Ford is beating all three runners in sales. ;)

I also dont see chevy lasting in nascar if they dont wise up with there bankrupcy issues. :eek:

[topperharley]

Put some Aquatreds on those cars and get back out there and keep racing! I drive in the rain, can't those chumps?

[n4sc4r]

You're right, except for the fact that the best selling drivers (Merch & stuff like that) are predominantely chevrolet, so they can afford to stay with them. The manufacturors championships don't lie. :p

[benson111]

You're right, except for the fact that the best selling drivers (Merch & stuff like that) are predominantely chevrolet, so they can afford to stay with them. The manufacturors championships don't lie. :p

True, i will still stick with Ford though. ;)

[n4sc4r]

Put some Aquatreds on those cars and get back out there and keep racing! I drive in the rain, can't those chumps?
1. That would cost some serious money to have all of those extra tires.
2. Who knows how they would act to the enhanced weight of the cars. They burn through normal goodyears bad enough.

I wish they'd lower the commercial count myself.

[n4sc4r]

True, i will still stick with Ford though. ;)
To each his own.

Sad fact (Or good, depending): With my zune on the fritz, I won't be able to listen to album on the bus or when i'm around the computer. I may have to stop making album reviews until I can find an alternative or a fix.

[hawkofva]

To each his own.

Sad fact (Or good, depending): With my zune on the fritz, I won't be able to listen to album on the bus or when i'm around the computer. I may have to stop making album reviews until I can find an alternative or a fix.
They're called "CD's".

You could probably also find a cassette player cheap. Walkman FTW!

[HeyRiles]

Not like manufacturer really matters anymore, all the cars pretty much look the same in this new COT. Really the only interest I have left in Nascar is when the Busch brothers wreck. Man, that big wreck was glorious

Man, I really wanted someone like A.J. to win though!

[n4sc4r]

They're called "CD's".

You could probably also find a cassette player cheap. Walkman FTW!

I'm 15, and live in the country. It can be 2-3 weeks between trips to town (besides church). I also can't play cd's downstairs because my parents get angry. Upstairs, I always end up stopping after 2-3 songs and playing video games. I desperately need my zune back. DESPERATELY! Microsoft really pisses me off. I thought the zune was the one device that wouldn't mess up, and I get a 1 in 100 or so device that messes up due to some driver I can't figure out.

[HPLabonte]

Was an exciting race, no one knew when the race was gonna end starting around lap 75, and it was a melee from then on out, I was pulling for Sadler to get the win, I like him a lot,

just check out his wedding video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPrB9zqb3vU

And seriously, even though I have a #88 AMP sticker on my car, I must say that Dale Earnhardt Jr is a freaking moron. Not only for what he did to Vickers, but for missing his pit, and then when he found the pit, still managed to pit outside it.

Good to see Labonte... Finish the race, and Bowyer to get 4th, I was pulling for Dinger to do well, and he did, 3rd! wow, that is one awesome looking car. Woulda looked real cool in Victory lane!

I'm happpy to see Kenseth win the race, he's had it taken from him in the past, and it was great to see such a genuinely good guy win it, sadly because of rain.

Not looking forward to Cali or Vegas, probably not gonna watch either race, as they tend to be two of the worst races of the season, consistently. The only reason "of" is there, is because some dumb idiot decided California needed a second date, and took The Rock off the schedule, which was consistently one of the best races of the season, and for some reason, New Hampshire Speedway hasn't been demolished.

Bring on Atlanta, Bristol, and Martinsville!

and DEATH TO DIGGER.

[mimic]

Was an exciting race, no one knew when the race was gonna end starting around lap 75, and it was a melee from then on out, I was pulling for Sadler to get the win, I like him a lot,

just check out his wedding video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPrB9zqb3vU

And seriously, even though I have a #88 AMP sticker on my car, I must say that Dale Earnhardt Jr is a freaking moron. Not only for what he did to Vickers, but for missing his pit, and then when he found the pit, still managed to pit outside it.

Good to see Labonte... Finish the race, and Bowyer to get 4th, I was pulling for Dinger to do well, and he did, 3rd! wow, that is one awesome looking car. Woulda looked real cool in Victory lane!

I'm happpy to see Kenseth win the race, he's had it taken from him in the past, and it was great to see such a genuinely good guy win it, sadly because of rain.

Not looking forward to Cali or Vegas, probably not gonna watch either race, as they tend to be two of the worst races of the season, consistently. The only reason "of" is there, is because some dumb idiot decided California needed a second date, and took The Rock off the schedule, which was consistently one of the best races of the season, and for some reason, New Hampshire Speedway hasn't been demolished.

Bring on Atlanta, Bristol, and Martinsville!

and DEATH TO DIGGER.

They took the rock off cause the ticket sales were embarrassing. They should take atlanta off to, that place is ridiculous.

And to the op, yes jeff gordon and kyle busch are huge whiners but to use that as an excuse for dale jr isn't really fair. Just because those two whine about everything doesn't mean dale should. If his dad was the one to take out vickers we all know what he would have said in the interview..."You mess with the bull you get the horns, yeah I wrecked him, he deserved it." I can respect that. A flat out lie I cannot.

[HPLabonte]

They took the rock off cause the ticket sales were embarrassing. They should take atlanta off to, that place is ridiculous.

Still doesnt change the fact the Rock had some of the best, and most interesting racing on the circuit,

Atlanta usually has incredible finishes, Earnhardt in 2000, Harvick in 2001, Edwards in 2005,

Texas, however, should burn. One of the clones must go. Texas, Charlotte, Atlanta. No need for 6 (7 if you count the Winston) races at the same track. The worst thing that Humpy coulda done was smooth those bumps on the backstretch at Charlotte, and he did, and now the 600 and the fall race suck

[jrcronlakers]

Race got real good when the weather came into affect. Thought Harvick had a chance to make it two in a row. Maybe next week.

[mimic]

Still doesnt change the fact the Rock had some of the best, and most interesting racing on the circuit,

Atlanta usually has incredible finishes, Earnhardt in 2000, Harvick in 2001, Edwards in 2005,

Texas, however, should burn. One of the clones must go. Texas, Charlotte, Atlanta. No need for 6 (7 if you count the Winston) races at the same track. The worst thing that Humpy coulda done was smooth those bumps on the backstretch at Charlotte, and he did, and now the 600 and the fall race suck

I agree, too many cookie cutter tracks. There is a huge gap of races that are not in the northwest. So many good tracks that the nationwide use that should get sprint dates.

I also agree that stupid gimmick to sell stupid tshirts called digger needs to go. I hate it, everyone I know hates it, my dad curses the tv when it comes on. I wouldn't mind if the boogedy boogedy thing was banned too.

[topperharley]

I also agree that stupid gimmick to sell stupid tshirts called digger needs to go. I hate it, everyone I know hates it, my dad curses the tv when it comes on. I wouldn't mind if the boogedy boogedy thing was banned too.

Anything that makes FOX NFL's robot mascot seem like an intelligent idea has truly plumbed the deepest depths of annoyingness. And "boogedy boogedy" only helps perpetuate the stereotype that the NASCAR fanbase is a bunch of illiterate trailer trash. Both need to go away.

[Apples]

I agree wholeheartedly. But sadly, there was a good hour and a half of rain still to come. Because of that, the race wouldn't have been able to be restarted until upwards of midnight. While I find that acceptable, the fans would have a hard time staying awake (Especially the drunk ones) and they felt that a good enough show was put on. They would have postponed it until tomorrow had it ended before the halfway point of the race.

Here's a thought... start the race earlier in the day. (Or would that encroach on the hours of corporate junkets and boozing?)

You wonder why "sports" people hate on NASCAR... this is exactly why. No other sport would stand its "premier" event getting botched like this. How can you consider anyone a legitimate winner, when 1/4th of the competition wasn't completed?

[HPLabonte]

Here's a thought... start the race earlier in the day. (Or would that encroach on the hours of corporate junkets and boozing?)

You wonder why "sports" people hate on NASCAR... this is exactly why. No other sport would stand its "premier" event getting botched like this. How can you consider anyone a legitimate winner, when 1/4th of the competition wasn't completed?

This is why NASCAR fans don't even like NASCAR, the sanctioning body may be one of the worst in all of sports. Some of the rules they've put in place are ridiculous (IE: The one where Jr. pitted one inch out of his pit box and lost a lap), as are some of the decisions that NASCAR has made (calling the 500, withholding information about Earnhardt's death from teams/drivers), and the schedule (removing Wilkesboro, Rockingham, Southern 500), also adding the chase format, and all that crap..... Oh, and Brian France likes starting races later, so he gets cool video and stuff of the sun setting over Lake Lloyd with 43 cars passing by, the damn race used to start at 11am, but for some reason Mr. France decided 4pm was better. I miss his father, he at least had SOME sense

[mimic]

Here's a thought... start the race earlier in the day. (Or would that encroach on the hours of corporate junkets and boozing?)

You wonder why "sports" people hate on NASCAR... this is exactly why. No other sport would stand its "premier" event getting botched like this. How can you consider anyone a legitimate winner, when 1/4th of the competition wasn't completed?

I was out all night, checked the website, saw the race started at 2pm. So I set my alarm for 2. Race didn't start till almost 4, that's pathetic. I don't care about keith urban and tom cruise! I could have slept in or better yet the race would have been over before the rain.

I've decided to watch the first 10 races. If kyle busch, jimmie johnson, and carl edwards win more than 5 of those I quit. This new car was supposed to even the field, it did the opposite.

[Apples]

This is why NASCAR fans don't even like NASCAR, the sanctioning body may be one of the worst in all of sports. Some of the rules they've put in place are ridiculous (IE: The one where Jr. pitted one inch out of his pit box and lost a lap), as are some of the decisions that NASCAR has made (calling the 500, withholding information about Earnhardt's death from teams/drivers), and the schedule (removing Wilkesboro, Rockingham, Southern 500), also adding the chase format, and all that crap..... Oh, and Brian France likes starting races later, so he gets cool video and stuff of the sun setting over Lake Lloyd with 43 cars passing by, the damn race used to start at 11am, but for some reason Mr. France decided 4pm was better. I miss his father, he at least had SOME sense

Well, I'm glad to see some NASCAR fans who can validate what I had come to believe myself.

You know who my favorite driver is? Robby Gordon. Because he stood up to their foolish "rules" (use of quotes deliberate since they are so subjective and selectively enforced) a few years ago and thumbed his nose at them.

(For those not knowing the backstory, he was cheap shotted off the track, then was denied a chance to retake his spot by some arcane rules. But he ran the rest of the race anyway, complete with a "victory celebration" Basically ignoring their foolish ruling and making a spectacle of it.)

[n4sc4r]

They took the rock off cause the ticket sales were embarrassing. They should take atlanta off to, that place is ridiculous.

And to the op, yes jeff gordon and kyle busch are huge whiners but to use that as an excuse for dale jr isn't really fair. Just because those two whine about everything doesn't mean dale should. If his dad was the one to take out vickers we all know what he would have said in the interview..."You mess with the bull you get the horns, yeah I wrecked him, he deserved it." I can respect that. A flat out lie I cannot.

I agree that i don't like to see him nor anyone whine. Sadly, the fact that they wouldn't admit to wrecking someone is the way NASCAR can penalize people. Say you did it accidentaly and you're fine, but admit to wrecking them and you're screwed.

I'm still not sure if he did on on purpose or not, though. Most people just immediately thought he did because Darrell Waltrip rode him like a pony about it for the rest of the race. Why is it if Johnson or Gordon hit someone they got loose, but if it's Jr. or Stewart they did it on purpose every time?

Also, Dale Sr. wouldn't have said that. He would have said "I was just tryin' to rattle his cage". (Bristol 1999 quote ftw!)

[mimic]

Well, I'm glad to see some NASCAR fans who can validate what I had come to believe myself.

You know who my favorite driver is? Robby Gordon. Because he stood up to their foolish "rules" (use of quotes deliberate since they are so subjective and selectively enforced) a few years ago and thumbed his nose at them.

(For those not knowing the backstory, he was cheap shotted off the track, then was denied a chance to retake his spot by some arcane rules. But he ran the rest of the race anyway, complete with a "victory celebration" Basically ignoring their foolish ruling and making a spectacle of it.)

That was so awesome. To see two cars doing burn outs. Yeah him, tony stewart and dale sr are/were awesome for being ****s.

Well nascar is bleeding ratings and with the bad economy and seats being unsold and cars with no sponsors they need to smarten up.

[n4sc4r]

I agree, too many cookie cutter tracks. There is a huge gap of races that are not in the northwest. So many good tracks that the nationwide use that should get sprint dates.

I also agree that stupid gimmick to sell stupid tshirts called digger needs to go. I hate it, everyone I know hates it, my dad curses the tv when it comes on. I wouldn't mind if the boogedy boogedy thing was banned too.

Also to note on track scheduling, if they want to save money, how about scheduling tracks in the same area. I mean seriously, going from Daytona to California... wtf?

Also, I agree that Digger needs to die, now. I was sick of it last season, now it's just annoying. NASCAR will do anything for a buck, though, especially witht his economy.

[mimic]

I agree that i don't like to see him nor anyone whine. Sadly, the fact that they wouldn't admit to wrecking someone is the way NASCAR can penalize people. Say you did it accidentaly and you're fine, but admit to wrecking them and you're screwed.

I'm still not sure if he did on on purpose or not, though. Most people just immediately thought he did because Darrell Waltrip rode him like a pony about it for the rest of the race. Why is it if Johnson or Gordon hit someone they got loose, but if it's Jr. or Stewart they did it on purpose every time?

Also, Dale Sr. wouldn't have said that. He would have said "I was just tryin' to rattle his cage". (Bristol 1999 quote ftw!)

To me there was no question. Say you're in the city and some guy cuts you off. Your reflex is road rage, you would want to smash the guy. Some do, some have self control. Now imagine being in the superbowl of racing. Millions of fans putting pressure on you, your team and sponsors pressuring you. You've screwed up twice in the pits and you're pissed. A guy cuts you off. Is there any doubt what happened?

[n4sc4r]

To me there was no question. Say you're in the city and some guy cuts you off. Your reflex is road rage, you would want to smash the guy. Some do, some have self control. Now imagine being in the superbowl of racing. Millions of fans putting pressure on you, your team and sponsors pressuring you. You've screwed up twice in the pits and you're pissed. A guy cuts you off. Is there any doubt what happened?

If it was Mark martin then no. If it was Kyle Busch/Robby Gordon (sorry Apples) then no. Anyone else, yes. Besides that if a jerk cut me off like that i probably would have done it, too. The only difference is that I would have put him in the inside wall so no one else was taken out. At 190 mph there really isn't much room for error.

This memory might have helped persuade him, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS82vHdxsAE

[mimic]

If it was Mark martin then no. If it was Kyle Busch/Robby Gordon (sorry Apples) then no. Anyone else, yes. Besides that if a jerk cut me off like that i probably would have done it, too. The only difference is that I would have put him in the inside wall so no one else was taken out. At 190 mph there really isn't much room for error.

Even though he was an idiot he helped my 10 race idea since kyle carl and jimmie were all involved in it. If he hadn't of caused the wreck I'm pretty sure kyle would have won.

Sidenote; that song "let's go racing boys" hurts me in so many ways. That song playing while digger is on the screen and waltrip screaming boogedy would most likely make me punch babies.

[iamtheddrman]

I wish NASCAR would do the same thing nearly every other racing league does in the rain: throw on some rain tires and keep racing! Calling off a race to rain is just sad in my book. I've been a big fan of NASCAR for years, even picking up Jimmie Johnson on my fantasy team his first race (golden pick by me!), but series like Le Mans and Formula 1 are kinda ruining the fun of NASCAR for me. It takes a lot of skill by the whole team to win a NASCAR race, but it's just not that much fun to watch.

I hope Hendrick has better luck. The fact that the race ended so early definitely didn't help their finishing places, as they usually make a run at the end of the race if they don't dominate the whole thing. Oh well, there's always next week!

[mimic]

I wish NASCAR would do the same thing nearly every other racing league does in the rain: throw on some rain tires and keep racing! Calling off a race to rain is just sad in my book. I've been a big fan of NASCAR for years, even picking up Jimmie Johnson on my fantasy team his first race (golden pick by me!), but series like Le Mans and Formula 1 are kinda ruining the fun of NASCAR for me. It takes a lot of skill by the whole team to win a NASCAR race, but it's just not that much fun to watch.

I hope Hendrick has better luck. The fact that the race ended so early definitely didn't help their finishing places, as they usually make a run at the end of the race if they don't dominate the whole thing. Oh well, there's always next week!

They tried rain tires in montreal for a nationwide race. It worked out, but that was a road course. The amount of pressure put on the tires when these big cars go into the turns is insane. The tires barely hold them to the track when it's dry. You don't go into a turn at a road course at 190+mph, it's just not safe to do so.

They saw rain in the forecast, they chose to do nothing about it. Most times during the season they will cancel pre race stuff and start the race early. You'd think with the biggest race they would do it for sure. But no, you don't want to see keith and nicole mad. It's scary.

Also did anyone see the graphic when kyle was leading and they were showing him in that studio thing when they go to commercial and there was 1 second of him playing world tour drums?

[iamtheddrman]

They tried rain tires in montreal for a nationwide race. It worked out, but that was a road course. The amount of pressure put on the tires when these big cars go into the turns is insane. The tires barely hold them to the track when it's dry. You don't go into a turn at a road course at 190+mph, it's just not safe to do so.

They saw rain in the forecast, they chose to do nothing about it. Most times during the season they will cancel pre race stuff and start the race early. You'd think with the biggest race they would do it for sure. But no, you don't want to see keith and nicole mad. It's scary.

Also did anyone see the graphic when kyle was leading and they were showing him in that studio thing when they go to commercial and there was 1 second of him playing world tour drums?
Yeah I can understand the physics involved makes it quite a bit tougher to race on wet asphalt than a road course. The thing is, you wouldn't go 190+ MPH in the rain anyway. They slow down in the wet on the road courses, and they could do the same on an oval. Would it make the races more boring? Possibly, but it could also make it more interesting considering the difficulty increase for the drivers.

One thing I hadn't considered: Formula 1 tends to be more spread out rather than NASCAR-style pack racing, so rooster tails might cause a huge problem at a track like Daytona. Of course, restrictor plates suck anyway and shouldn't be used. Cap the horsepower in some other way please.

[mimic]

Yeah I can understand the physics involved makes it quite a bit tougher to race on wet asphalt than a road course. The thing is, you wouldn't go 190+ MPH in the rain anyway. They slow down in the wet on the road courses, and they could do the same on an oval. Would it make the races more boring? Possibly, but it could also make it more interesting considering the difficulty increase for the drivers.

One thing I hadn't considered: Formula 1 tends to be more spread out rather than NASCAR-style pack racing, so rooster tails might cause a huge problem at a track like Daytona. Of course, restrictor plates suck anyway and shouldn't be used. Cap the horsepower in some other way please.

When you look at a race like indy last year and the tire problems they had when the sun was out you can't expect them to go with rain tires. lol

Yeah I hate the restrictor plates. Same problem I would assume, not sure the tires would hold them going 230mph. They are racecar drivers, you know they will go as fast as they can no matter the safety.

[n4sc4r]

When you look at a race like indy last year and the tire problems they had when the sun was out you can't expect them to go with rain tires. lol

Yeah I hate the restrictor plates. Same problem I would assume, not sure the tires would hold them going 230mph. They are racecar drivers, you know they will go as fast as they can no matter the safety.
I was at that race. The fans were pissed. We were cheering on the different vehicles going around the track under caution to mock them. I was starting to think there was going to be a riot.

[iamtheddrman]

When you look at a race like indy last year and the tire problems they had when the sun was out you can't expect them to go with rain tires. lol

Yeah I hate the restrictor plates. Same problem I would assume, not sure the tires would hold them going 230mph. They are racecar drivers, you know they will go as fast as they can no matter the safety.
Yeah. I know the restrictor plates are to limit the speed they can attain, but it seems like they could do other things to limit their speed, like increase aero drag or running dynos before and after the race saying you can't exceed XXX hp. Goodyears definitely couldn't handle the pressure of that kind of speed. They should switch to Bridgestone so the tires won't commit suicide every race.

It just seems like the restrcitor plate races end up with HUGE packs and all the good drivers get wrecked for no reason. That, or the fastest car doesn't win because the rest of the cars hang him out to dry. It's a crapshoot

[n4sc4r]

Yeah. I know the restrictor plates are to limit the speed they can attain, but it seems like they could do other things to limit their speed, like increase aero drag or running dynos before and after the race saying you can't exceed XXX hp. Goodyears definitely couldn't handle the pressure of that kind of speed. They should switch to Bridgestone so the tires won't commit suicide every race.

It just seems like the restrcitor plate races end up with HUGE packs and all the good drivers get wrecked for no reason. That, or the fastest car doesn't win because the rest of the cars hang him out to dry. It's a crapshoot
Dude, that's the best part of these races. The drivers have to be ready to deal with theunexpected at all times. It is a true test of ability and experience.

[iamtheddrman]

Dude, that's the best part of these races. The drivers have to be ready to deal with theunexpected at all times. It is a true test of ability and experience.
But that's the point. The best driver doesn't always win. He can make all the right moves, but if some young hotshot manages to get a few guys to follow him, the best driver gets hung out and drops tons of spots for no reason. Example: Bobby Labonte hanging out his brother a few years ago despite the fact that Terry was a little faster. The pack went with Bobby, and Terry dropped like 10 spots because of it.

[n4sc4r]

That's why you have to be at the right position at the right time. (Which is almost never 1st on the last lap)

[iamtheddrman]

That's why you have to be at the right position at the right time. (Which is almost never 1st on the last lap)
Right. Which makes it NOT about being the fastest, or the best driver. You obviously can't win if you're a bad driver, but if you're a decent driver and you get lucky, you can win the biggest race in NASCAR. Seems a little messed up to me

[n4sc4r]

The Arizona Cardinals had one of the worst records going into the playoff and nearly won the Super Bowl. Is that messed up too?

[mimic]

The Arizona Cardinals had one of the worst records going into the playoff and nearly won the Super Bowl. Is that messed up too?

I agree with ddr but yeah it's true the only reason I like watching the restrictor plate tracks is the crazyness of it. It's not fair but it is fun.

Very glad we have an active nascar thread here. I didn't think there were any fans on the forums.

[iamtheddrman]

The Arizona Cardinals had one of the worst records going into the playoff and nearly won the Super Bowl. Is that messed up too?
Totally different to me. The Cardinals had a bad season, but proved themselves every week through the playoffs, making it to the big game based on performance. They didn't make it to the Super Bowl because the Chiefs screwed over the Patriots or some crap like that.

[n4sc4r]

I agree with ddr but yeah it's true the only reason I like watching the restrictor plate tracks is the crazyness of it. It's not fair but it is fun.

Very glad we have an active nascar thread here. I didn't think there were any fans on the forums.
Well, really only like 4 people are posting, but w/e. It's better than talking to someone whom knows nothing. I'm thinking of making an official NASCAr thread, where I'll put the points, schedule, etc. in the first 3 posts (One for Sprint, one for Nationwide, & one for Camping World)

[n4sc4r]

Totally different to me. The Cardinals had a bad season, but proved themselves every week through the playoffs, making it to the big game based on performance. They didn't make it to the Super Bowl because the Chiefs screwed over the Patriots or some crap like that.
Well, they did end up playing the Eagles for the NFC title...

[iamtheddrman]

Well, really only like 4 people are posting, but w/e. It's better than talking to someone whom knows nothing. I'm thinking of making an official NASCAr thread, where I'll put the points, schedule, etc. in the first 3 posts (One for Sprint, one for Nationwide, & one for Camping World)
4 people is quite a bit for this time of day. If we keep it alive til tonight, there could be quite a few more people posting in it.

^ Yeah, but that's the nature of a bracketed playoff. That's precisely why I like college basketball. NFL and College Basketball have great playoff systems. Daytona/Talladega are like the BCS. It's just a broken system that should be changed. Best team/driver gets the nod/win far less than is acceptable

[n4sc4r]

4 people is quite a bit for this time of day. If we keep it alive til tonight, there could be quite a few more people posting in it.
Or is could get dropped because they all post in other threads. I hope you're right, though.

[HPLabonte]

I agree with ddr but yeah it's true the only reason I like watching the restrictor plate tracks is the crazyness of it. It's not fair but it is fun.

Yeah, same here, it's exciting, you never really know who's going to win one, not even off of turn 4 on the last lap, anything can still happen, just ask Mark Martin, Elliott Sadler, Rusty Wallace, or Clint Bowyer,

I hope this thread stays alive, most NASCAR boards i've visited are completely horrible, and full of posts like

"ZOMG 9 KAHNE KAHNE SO HAWT KAHNE KAHNE!!"
and
"GO 88 JUUUNNNYORRRR!!!!! MAKE YER POPPY PROUD SONN!"

Oh, and if you make an official NASCAR post, i could add some weekly analysis/previews.

[bermuddy]

i dont even like nascar and i keep coming back in here. these posts have been a fun read. keep it up!

[Apples]

i dont even like nascar and i keep coming back in here. these posts have been a fun read. keep it up!

Agree entirely.

[HPLabonte]

best commercial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGIKy2ICgOM

[n4sc4r]

4 people is quite a bit for this time of day. If we keep it alive til tonight, there could be quite a few more people posting in it.

^ Yeah, but that's the nature of a bracketed playoff. That's precisely why I like college basketball. NFL and College Basketball have great playoff systems. Daytona/Talladega are like the BCS. It's just a broken system that should be changed. Best team/driver gets the nod/win far less than is acceptable
That's probably why there are only four of them in the year. NASCAR's "playoffs" is the chase.

Now the best team/driver not winning happens almost every week. Why is that? Well simply, because there is no best team or driver. It's all about who can get their strategy together and get a bit of luck to win. However, you'll find the better drivers often know how to get in position to win. If you look over the history of Daytona & Talladega, you'll find the best drivers win a lot more times than it seems.

Edit to add a sentence I forgot to put in. With it missing the paragraph made little sense.

[iamtheddrman]

Yeah I feel ya there. There isn't a clear cut favorite who's gonna win every race. It's all about dialing your car in and hoping you get some help out there. There have certainly been plenty of times the fastest car won. It just seems like many of the fastest cars end up in the wall or outside the draft and drop out of the running for nothing.

Class is starting. Be back for more debate later :D

[HPLabonte]

That's probably why there are only four of them in the year. NASCAR's "playoffs" is the chase.

Now the best team/driver not winning happens almost every week. Why is that? Well simply, because there is no best team or driver. It's all about who can get their strategy together and get a bit of luck to win. However, you'll find the better drivers often know how to get in position to win. If you look over the history of Daytona & Talladega, you'll find the best drivers win a lot more times than it seems.

Edit to add a sentence I forgot to put in. With it missing the paragraph made little sense.

Yeah, there's a reason the names Petty, Earnhardt, Gordon, Johnson, Yarborough, and Allison are names that have a place on the Harley J Earl trophy, and for the most part, names like Riggs, Fuller, Fukuyama, and Long probably never will.

[mimic]

Yeah, same here, it's exciting, you never really know who's going to win one, not even off of turn 4 on the last lap, anything can still happen, just ask Mark Martin, Elliott Sadler, Rusty Wallace, or Clint Bowyer,

I hope this thread stays alive, most NASCAR boards i've visited are completely horrible, and full of posts like

"ZOMG 9 KAHNE KAHNE SO HAWT KAHNE KAHNE!!"
and
"GO 88 JUUUNNNYORRRR!!!!! MAKE YER POPPY PROUD SONN!"

Oh, and if you make an official NASCAR post, i could add some weekly analysis/previews.

Haha kahne is my favorite driver. It bugs me how everyone assumes all his fans are chicks. The pretty boy of nascar.

When I was 5 or 6 I would watch it with my dad and he told me to pick a driver. A little kid looking at the cars he is obviously going to go for the car with mcdonalds on the hood so Bill Elliot was my guy. When he retired Kasey took over so I just went with him.

He's got a lot of talent. He's just stuck in a horrible car in a horrible organization.

[iamtheddrman]

Haha kahne is my favorite driver. It bugs me how everyone assumes all his fans are chicks. The pretty boy of nascar.

When I was 5 or 6 I would watch it with my dad and he told me to pick a driver. A little kid looking at the cars he is obviously going to go for the car with mcdonalds on the hood so Bill Elliot was my guy. When he retired Kasey took over so I just went with him.

He's got a lot of talent. He's just stuck in a horrible car in a horrible organization.
QFT. Kahne is a great driver. It sucks that he can't get a great car to show off his skills. He's every bit as talented as Carl Edwards or Jimmie Johnson. Maybe when his contract is up, he'll end up with a team like Hendrick.

[mimic]

QFT. Kahne is a great driver. It sucks that he can't get a great car to show off his skills. He's every bit as talented as Carl Edwards or Jimmie Johnson. Maybe when his contract is up, he'll end up with a team like Hendrick.

Hendrick is full, roush is full. Rcr used to be great but they're just another evernham now. My only hope for kasey is if lagano chokes and gibbs picks him up lol. So far so good.

[iamtheddrman]

Hendrick is full, roush is full. Rcr used to be great but they're just another evernham now. My only hope for kasey is if lagano chokes and gibbs picks him up lol. So far so good.
He could always go to Stewart's team. Aren't they basically an extension of the Hendrick team now? I thought his team was using all their motors and chassis now

[mimic]

He could always go to Stewart's team. Aren't they basically an extension of the Hendrick team now? I thought his team was using all their motors and chassis now

Dude, you've given me hope. It would make sense too since stewart and kahne are friends and they both like dirt racing.

Since you guys are gamers what are your thoughts on the horrible ea nascar franchise? Anyone here play the papyrus one?

[iamtheddrman]

Which one was the papyrus one? I can't remember the name, and don't feel like looking it up, lol. The EA franchise has gone horribly downhill in recent years. Nascar 08 was AWFUL. I tried to take it back and Gamestop was going to give me 18 bucks for it the day after release. BS I tell you.

[Jerome85]

we had to wait 2 hours or so in the rain after they called it to get on the buses that took ya back to the parking lots....about 4000 people mostly drunk in one area is a great time...

[mimic]

Which one was the papyrus one? I can't remember the name, and don't feel like looking it up, lol. The EA franchise has gone horribly downhill in recent years. Nascar 08 was AWFUL. I tried to take it back and Gamestop was going to give me 18 bucks for it the day after release. BS I tell you.

Nascar racing 2002 and 2003. They were on pc. They were amazing. The last good ea nascar game was in 2004 when they still had competition. I remember it was like a business sim. Could research new chasis and engines and build track specific cars.

[iamtheddrman]

I remember 2003. It ROCKED. 2004 sucked to me because I couldn't get a fast enough car to qualify well, and the controls didn't work out so well for me, so I'd end up getting in a wreck in the middle of the pack. That would cost me money to fix, so I couldn't research better stuff. After three seasons and still sucking, I gave up. They balanced it out more in 2005, at least for me

[HPLabonte]

Haha kahne is my favorite driver. It bugs me how everyone assumes all his fans are chicks. The pretty boy of nascar.

Kahne's a great driver, but places like Jayski's comment board, and NASCAR.com are full of fangirls who don't appreciate logic, or the stereotypical Jr. fans, sadly, not a good place to discuss racing.

Oh, and NASCAR Racing 2003.... hmm, i dont think i've ever heard of it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab4GRFkMrkc

[mimic]

It's impossible to buy it now. Might be able to find it on ebay. Or torrents.

It's a nascar simulation not an arcade game. People are still constanly skinning the new cars. My dad plays it, he is always getting me to download the new skins every year. Which reminds me I'll have to do it again with all the driver changes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASCAR_Racing_2003_Season

[gmarsh]

I like car races too, but I don't consider going around in circles for hours on end a car race.
This shows how little people know about nascar. It is such a blank and pointless opinion givin by many, and obviously they don't know the sport very well. If you don't understand a sport, don't talk about it bad.

[HPLabonte]

It's impossible to buy it now. Might be able to find it on ebay. Or torrents.

It's a nascar simulation not an arcade game. People are still constanly skinning the new cars. My dad plays it, he is always getting me to download the new skins every year. Which reminds me I'll have to do it again with all the driver changes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASCAR_Racing_2003_Season

check the video I posted!!

Do you have the COT Mod? That's really cool, there's a million mods for that game! my favorite's the 88 mod, but the COTs handle real good, and they're a blast at the Superspeedways,