Uncensored DLC Possible

[SoulScreme]

So, I know that the in game tracks are censored to get the game a T rating and to keep it available for everyone who loves rock. My question is, could uncensored tracks be available via DLC? I mean, you could have some type of warning or disclaimer in the DLC description. And since DLC requires a credit card, which means being 18 or having a parents permission, there shouldn't be any legal issues.

[HPLabonte]

no, DLC requires you to go to GameStop, but a $20 card for Xbox Marketplace, then use that.

but I do hope we see uncensored DLC

[DesiredFX]

Sounds good to me. I'm not bothered by the "clean" version of the songs--I mean, Radiohead recorded the radio edit of Creep, but I definitely prefer to sing the album version. It's got a visceral oomph to it that's missing from "you're so very special."

[DesiredFX]

no, DLC requires you to go to GameStop, but a $20 card for Xbox Marketplace, then use that.

PS3 content requires a credit card. There's no equivalent of the Marketplace card in the US yet...only Japan.

[SoulScreme]

Sounds good to me. I'm not bothered by the "clean" version of the songs--I mean, Radiohead recorded the radio edit of Creep, but I definitely prefer to sing the album version. It's got a visceral oomph to it that's missing from "you're so very special."

Yeah, luckily Sabotage just has the F-bomb blank, so you can sing anything there. It would be nice to hear some more adult songs, like:

A Sublime Pack:
Smoke Two Joints
Badfish
April 26, 1992

A Disturbed Pack

A Beastie Boy Pack

Some Pantera

etc.

[BhindBluEyes430]

Yea that pissed me off in GHIII too
I wanna play The Original holiday in cambodia or police truck

[Xzyliac]

Sounds good to me. I'm not bothered by the "clean" version of the songs--I mean, Radiohead recorded the radio edit of Creep, but I definitely prefer to sing the album version. It's got a visceral oomph to it that's missing from "you're so very special."

Good thing for us who never heard the original. Nothing to ***** about when the edits come along. :p

[deathinc]

You want adult tracks? Try Frank Zappa. :D

[KingColon]

You want adult tracks? Try Frank Zappa. :D

The only thing I've ever wanted anywhere near Primus in Rock Band is Frank Zappa in Rock Band

[sumboxcar182]

uncensored dlc is a possibility. in an oxm podcast interview with the head of harmonix (i perfer to type that then butcher his last name) he mentioned that uncensored dlc can happen because dlc can be rated differently than the game itself

[Meatball]

It's pretty dumb that a game could lose its Teen rating for "naughty words."

[battle_axe_of_doom]

The only thing I've ever wanted anywhere near Primus in Rock Band is Frank Zappa in Rock Band

i don't understand this

dinah-moe humm is millions times more "adult" than any band mentioned in this thread lmao.

**** i wanna listen to zappa now....

ZAPPA = GOD

[xfMike]

So, I know that the in game tracks are censored to get the game a T rating and to keep it available for everyone who loves rock. My question is, could uncensored tracks be available via DLC? I mean, you could have some type of warning or disclaimer in the DLC description. And since DLC requires a credit card, which means being 18 or having a parents permission, there shouldn't be any legal issues.

Someone from HMX has stated that DLC goes through it's own ESRB rating process, thus allowing the possibility for "Mature" rated content to be released.

I do not have a link, but check through the HMX blogs.

[Frederf]

Wonderful disclaimer "Online content may differ from original ESRB raiting" or some such.
Basically if someone swears over XBLive! then you can't sue the Forza developers for swearing in their game. Perhaps a similar idea can allow "M" DLC.

The radio edit of Creep kind of makes me cross since it changes the whole meaning of the song. I'd much rather they say "Fricken' special" or "darn special" instead of "very special" since that loses the irony/sarcasm in the original lyrics. I've had to go back to The Bends ever since Angst hit $100 a barrel. Too rich for my blood.

[mastergamer1231]

i want it...
i remember when i was playing GH3 on "Devil went down to Georgia" at the part where he says "son of a B****" they took out B****.
I was sad after that...
so yea i want this!!!!!!

[Black_Heaven]

It's pretty dumb that a game could lose its Teen rating for "naughty words."

Yes it is. But really now, is any word really "naughty?" Maybe the context for which a word is used can be naughty, but not the word itself.

[CyN1caL]

As long as parental controls can be set to prevent buying Mature rated DLC, I see it as possible.

[JuliusMode]

Sounds good to me. I'm not bothered by the "clean" version of the songs--I mean, Radiohead recorded the radio edit of Creep, but I definitely prefer to sing the album version. It's got a visceral oomph to it that's missing from "you're so very special."

That one in particular I've been singing album-style regardless of what's on screen. Even in expert, the game doesn't seem to care.

Of course I'd prefer it if the uncensored versions of songs were in the game, but in the meantime, singing the uncensored words over the censored screen prompt is sort of amusing in its own right.

It's like a little bonus for actually knowing the song outside of Rock Band :cool:

[SoulScreme]

Yes it is. But really now, is any word really "naughty?" Maybe the context for which a word is used can be naughty, but not the word itself.

I'm pretty sure that F--- is still naughty. I mean, a game's rating can change just like a movie could, or TV show, or anything else. Why is that silly? Most parents would not want their teens playing a game filled with awful language.

[MrTorso]

Has anyone listened to the Vagiant song in Rock Band yet? F-bombs everywhere with no censorship. Beastie Boys can't say it but they do.

[jdr7650]

That and the DLC for Bowie says ***** a few times in moonage daydream a few times.

[BubbaC]

i dont mind clean songs.. BUT some songs like F'n Hostile.. you cant censor with out butchering.

the thing is.. A. one it can be rated differently because it claims "experience may change with online play" and B. you can set parental controls on the xbox to allow certain thing to be played and not played as well as downloaded. (like movies) so there is no reason they shouldnt release uncensored DLC.i wouldnt expect too many over the top songs though.

but cutting out an f bomb usually annoys me. by the time i was 5 i heard people using far worse words in RL. lol. censorship is just dumb on networks and in games. slap a rating on it and ship it out. i dont know whay we need to protect people from fantasy worlds when the real world is much harsher. shield every one from reality.. thats the way to prepare people for life. uggg..

i can see using ratings so parents can try and avoid exposing young kids to things. but anyone over the age of 12 doesn't need sheltering. they need the opposite. or else they join the land of victims. its obviously a parental choice. but a good parent can expose his children to the harsh realities of life and keep the kid on the straight narrow at the same time. ofcourse many parents are either to lazy or dont have the time these days for that.

ofcourse non of the above has much to do with the game lol.

[Magnet]

Has anyone listened to the Vagiant song in Rock Band yet? F-bombs everywhere with no censorship. Beastie Boys can't say it but they do.

The Vagiant song in RB has no f-bombs anywhere. You're probably hearing the pairing of the words "Rough-up" the wrong way. Try it on vocals. Also, there's no full-on swearing in the game, just smaller instances of less crude words.

This whole topic is a non-issue now. Moonage Daydream already establishes that uncensored DLC is possible and is already happening.

[DethBoxx]

Zappa would be awesome but not Dinah Moe Hum the guitar part isn't interesting enough. There are so many better choices...a whole album would be great.

[SlivedCupWinner]

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i can see using ratings so parents can try and avoid exposing young kids to things. but anyone over the age of 12 doesn't need sheltering. they need the opposite. or else they join the land of victims. its obviously a parental choice. but a good parent can expose his children to the harsh realities of life and keep the kid on the straight narrow at the same time. ofcourse many parents are either to lazy or dont have the time these days for that.

ofcourse non of the above has much to do with the game lol.



NEW FLASH: Harsh realities of life does not equal cuss words.

On that note:

1. Good parents teach their children how to be civil. The lazy ones are (generally speaking) the ones that allow their children to be exposed to this kind of thing and worse.

2. Children need to learn how to deal with reality, not emulate it all the time.

[BubbaC]

NEW FLASH: Harsh realities of life does not equal cuss words.

On that note:

1. Good parents teach their children how to be civil. The lazy ones are (generally speaking) the ones that allow their children to be exposed to this kind of thing and worse.

2. Children need to learn how to deal with reality, not emulate it all the time.

number 2. was my point. i agree with one too.. exposing kids to blatantly obscene language is not cool. like.. most rap songs where the F bomb is dropped every other word..
but songs like sublime's "what i got" where i think he drops two fairly tasteful (as tasteful as it can get) F bombs is a different story.. considering if you let the kid hear a song about drugs and crappy parents in the first place the f bomb is no big deal.

reasonable censorship for children is all i ask. but the stuff they censor these days is ridiculous. plus society caters to children. and screws the rest of us. but then the kids hit their teens and society pretty much tosses them on their butts.


no. no preteen should be exposed to constant cussing. but the messages in the rest of the songs they listen to (9+ anything younger than that shouldnt be listening to more than raffi anyway or playin games about being a rock star) are worse than the cuss words themselves.. it's kinda hard to explain with out going overboard and saying ban all great tunes cause of certain references. but i think you might kinda get my point.

[NoDoubtFan87]

The Vagiant song in RB has no f-bombs anywhere. You're probably hearing the pairing of the words "Rough-up" the wrong way. Try it on vocals. Also, there's no full-on swearing in the game, just smaller instances of less crude words.

This whole topic is a non-issue now. Moonage Daydream already establishes that uncensored DLC is possible and is already happening.

Are you not allowed to say ***** in a T game?

If that is not the case, when Nevermind comes, in Lounge Act he drops an F-Bomb.

[Black_Heaven]

I still don't see how one can accuse a word of being bad. It's context and the way it's used yes, but not the word all on it's own.

I find it interesting that some words that were once condsidered "bad" aren't as bad any more. The words b i t c h, a s s & d a m n have all slowly been more accepted by society, the proof is in TV. Those words would never make it to broadcast TV a couple of years ago, but they do now.

You could teach a child that any word is a "bad word" and punish them for saying it. Words are not dangerous, neither are their meanings, but the way they are used can be.

Good parents do teach their children how to be civil, that much I agree on. But the lazy ones aren't just the ones that allow their children to be exposed to harsh enviroments, they are also the ones that expect the rest of the world to play by their rules and babysit their children for them. They expect the media to be the one that does the censorship, nevermind the fact that they, the parents, are responsible for what their children watch and read. And not by forciably censoring the work of others, instead by simply turning the TV and radio off and closing books.

Protect the children? Absolutely, but don't forcibly censor a product because you don't want your children to hear a "bad word" and end up really only irking the hell of other adults. How about maybe explain to the children what those words mean and why they are used? Maybe, just maybe if children had a better understanding of certain words than, "these words are bad and you shouldn't say or hear them because I said so" they might actually not use them, or get this, use them properly.

[SlivedCupWinner]

First of all, stop ripping George Carlin if you're not going to give him credit. To that point, words are "bad" because society in general says they are.

So there's problem with allowing those things to seep into everything. The more we allow it to happen, the less there is out there for people who don't want to expose their kids to that stuff. So I don't see it as being lazy to expect a decent level of censorship, it's trying to establish a boundary so that there will be something left for our kids to wach when we allow them TV or "entertainment" time. How do you protect your kids, or kids in general, when there isn't an option anymore?

[SuburbanHell]

Sounds good to me. I'm not bothered by the "clean" version of the songs--I mean, Radiohead recorded the radio edit of Creep, but I definitely prefer to sing the album version. It's got a visceral oomph to it that's missing from "you're so very special."

Yeah, plus I find myself putting in the real words to the song anyway when I'm singing. :D

[DesiredFX]

My take on it is that the parent is ultimately the final censor. You're the one--especially with a game like this--that allows or disallows the playing of songs that include language. This is not a question of the kid running into it somewhere else, because it's right there in your house.

As a result, the two-pronged responsibility that falls to parents is: know the content of the things you allow your children to come in contact with, and make sure your children understand your take on that content and whether it's appropriate or not.

I see so many silly products out there that create censorship of shows or DVDs simply because the parents don't want to be troubled to make the effort to handle the job themselves. In that case, it's just as bad as letting everything come through uncensored, because you're letting someone else decide what your children should be exposed to. For example, several of the censorship devices key mostly on language and sexual situations, but allow violence to come through.

Nobody ever said being a parent was easy, and stuff like this is an example of why.

There are times--such as in Radiohead's Creep--when the judicious use of a single very severe swear word gives the song a certain meaning that it doesn't have without it. It's not a case of careless, casual swearing throughout the song, but an artistic choice that impacts the meaning of the song.

It's your job as a parent to discern if that's enough reason to allow the word through. It's not on Radiohead or Rock Band to clean up the song--though Radiohead, just trying to break in as a band, chose to do so--so that you don't have to worry about one word.

[Black_Heaven]

First of all, stop ripping George Carlin if you're not going to give him credit. ...

I would, if I had never had the same thought he did before I ever saw his material. Just because one person has had a unique thought doesn't mean they are the only one to have had that thought. None the less, he is a damn genius.

Also just because general society says something and believes something doesn't mean it's right.

It's still being lazy. There's always a choice, turn off the TV. And there is always more than just the TV to entertain children. Sadly TV has turned into a lazy parent's babysitter when they're too busy to spend time with their kids. So because these parents can't figure out a better option than unsupervised TV they expect the media to do the child raising for them.

People(general society)always wants to blame the media, but rarely the parents.

[SoulScreme]

I would, if I had never had the same thought he did before I ever saw his material. Just because one person has had a unique thought doesn't mean they are the only one to have had that thought. None the less, he is a damn genius.

Also just because general society says something and believes something doesn't mean it's right.

It's still being lazy. There's always a choice, turn off the TV. And there is always more than just the TV to entertain children. Sadly TV has turned into a lazy parent's babysitter when they're too busy to spend time with their kids. So because these parents can't figure out a better option than unsupervised TV they expect the media to do the child raising for them.

People(general society)always wants to blame the media, but rarely the parents.

Just to play devil's advocate, if it's a unique thought wouldn't that mean, by definition, that nobody else has had it.

[SoulScreme]

Also, since I started this thread, let me clarify. I believe that ratings are incredibly important. Not just for children, for everyone. Everybody has a right to know what kind of content something contains before they watch, listen to, or play it. All that I'm saying is that via DLC we can inform the consumer and allow the game to be tailored to the tastes, morals, and censorship of the specific player. In my opinion, the lyrics of Welcome Home are incredibly offensive. I mean lines like:

"You stormed off to scar the armada
Like Jesus played martyr,
I'll drill through your hands

The stone for the curse you have blamed me
With love and devotion, you'll die as you sleep

But if you could just write me out
To neverless wonder... happy will I become
Be true that this is no option,
So with sin I condemn you
Demon play, demon out"

Which are completely uncensored offend me. I get that Coheed is a prog band who works solely in the realm of concept albums. However, when you take that song out of the context of that concept, you have a song about killing a woman who was dishonest and comparing that act of murder to some moral conviction and Jesus Christ.

To me, I'd rather a child hear the f-word than this stuff. However, in the end, a line must be drawn somewhere. Currently and fairly logically, we define words instead of concepts because concepts are open to interpretation where words are not.

In the end, I think that releasing uncensored DLC does not require the downfall of the ESRB, nor would that be a positive move. I was saying that uncensored DLC could be done within the rules of the ESRB with full consideration given to all parties involved.