What do you consider metal?

[bubbameister]

i've noticed that a lot of sources about bands like AC/DC and Van Halen describe their music as heavy metal but i consider it to be just Hard Rock.

It seems to me that you guy's know your music so what do you consider metal?

[Rev0lver]

they are definitely just hard rock.

[S1NS71CK]

they are definitely just hard rock.

I agree. I would call 'em hard rock. I would put bands like Metallica, Pantera, Slayer, Megadeth, and Anthrax in the metal category.

[newwaytodie]

Maybe they are metal if you have never actually listened to real heavy metal. Although I don't like genres to begin with.

[bounchfx]

those bands are ********* compared to real metal

[MadassAlex]

AC/DC is definately just hard rock, although to be fair, Van Halen had a lot of influence in heavy metal which took to his tapping solos like a duck to water. Hard rock tended to leave that style of shredding behind.

[Mystophales]

Being a metal fan for more than 25 years (thats right I am that damn old...lol) I can say that back in the day (early 80's) they were considered metal but as the genre proliferated and became heavier they are now relegated to the Hard Rock Genre.

[Eisenheim]

I consider them almost Classic Rock to Hard Rock (if that).

Metal is a totally different genre.

I realize, at the time they formed it was considered Metal, but not anymore.

[sushi111]

Well consider both those bands dont even rock at all, I consider them cock rock.

[franknfurter1000]

AC/DC is Hard Rock, but Van Halen IMO is Hair/Teeth Metal.

[Killerzarequiet]

i dont think they are heavy metal or even hard rock for that matter
they are classic rock at best

[blackmarketpanda]

Genres change over time so they're both. Used to be Heavy Metal back then now they consider it Hard Rock because of the heavier bands out now.

[monlienNH3]

AC/DC and Van Halen: it's a push to call them hard rock. I'd probably leave it at rock.

As for the actual question, I'll use Metallica to define what I consider metal. "...And Justice for All" and previous albums = metal. The self-titled album and onward = hard rock.

[newwaytodie]

who's the tard that said they were metal?

[RiffMeister]

AC/DC is Hard Rock, but Van Halen IMO is Hair/Teeth Metal.

Both AC/DC and Van Halen have many songs that are commercial crap.

But both bands have great heavy songs, however they are categorized.....

Most... of what I like by VH that's heavy, is not played on Classic Rock Radio. What is played on Classic Rock radio by both of these bands.....sucks, or I'm sick of hearing, or both.....

True heavy metal.... whatever that is.... Black Sabbath ?? I don't care for....

I do however love Hard Rock and Metallic Hard Rock. And, these bands, however they may be categorized.... For example:

Zeppelin
Purple
Metal Church
White Zombie
Pro-Pain
Filter
Some -- Megadeth
Some -- Metallica
Much -- Dream Theater -- But not all!!
Priest
Pink Floyd has some great Hard Rock in their catalog.
As does The Who

But I'll say it again.... most of what gets played on Classic Rock radio, and other corporate radio genres.... I think sucks, or I'm sick of hearing, or both..:)

[benjamin]

Anything less extreme the Grindcore is not metal. I am teh elitist.

[rcf1105]

Jethro Tull is metal. They have the grammy to prove it.

[MrtyMcfly]

Jethro Tull is metal. They have the grammy to prove it.

Ha! You win the thread.

[trent0090]

LOL, AC/DC and Van Halen metal? Has it gotten that bad? Metal is so nit picky about what it wants to call it self anyway. It really depends what you want to call metal, is it the lyrics or the playing? Tool is just a hard Pink Flyod (sort of) so it's hard rock, Pantera was metal-ish. It didn't have the speed or intensty (don't get me wrong I loved them.) Metallica is just to old to rock without a walker. So the only hope is from the other side of the world. With acts like Cradle of filth, blood stain child and Mayhem, as just a few bands that come to mind. Hell, Rammstein is harder in lyrics department then Mtallica. Now as the human torch would say Flame on!

[Rev0lver]

even some beatles can be hard rock(helter skelter)

[Phrank-E]

AC/DC is Hard Rock, but Van Halen IMO is Hair/Teeth Metal.

You watch too much VH1.

[RiffMeister]

even some beatles can be hard rock(helter skelter)

Si.... and "Carry That Weight" :D

[Akaymay]

Being an AC/DC fanatic, I consider them Hard Rock. AC/DC considers themselves Rock and Roll, but they're Hard Rock. I always see music TV shows portraying them both as Heavy Metal. Hell, even on VH1 Classic, they Put Van Halen and AC/DC in Metal Mania. I dont understand it. I guess it considered Heavy Metal in the 80's.

[fragpirate]

those bands are ********* compared to real metal

damn right.

metal is heavy, fast, low, and just flat out evil.
you know metal when you hear metal.

[fragpirate]

Genres change over time so they're both. Used to be Heavy Metal back then now they consider it Hard Rock because of the heavier bands out now.

there were heavier bands out back then

slayer came out in the early 80s and i KNOW that your not gonna tell me that ac/dc is heavier than slayer... thats just rediculous.
also there was venom, the first death metal band (imo)

[whofan]

Heavy Metal began with Black Sabbath and ended with the explosion of Grunge in the early 90's.

Anything before or after does not qualify as heavy metal. Of course, Metal still goes on in the form of Speed, Thrash, Death, etc. But heavy metal itself is dead with a few exceptions (Namely the newest Judas Priest album "Angel Of Retribution", which harkens back to the good days when Metal meant something)

[IbanezBassist_v2]

Well consider both those bands dont even rock at all, I consider them cock rock.

Snap crackle pop!

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Once, they could have been heavy metal, before heavy metal set itself apart by doing other things. I think this mostly started with Judas Priest.

Now, they are definitely not heavy metal, but considered very influential. I mean, Van Halen's virtuosity is like porn to any Metal shredder.

And AC/DC is very influential too. I would guess they would have been influential in what we now consider heavy or traditional Metal (within Metal, heavy Metal is its own subgenre, rather than the name of the whole genre).

And for those ignorants out there....Van Halen began before the whole hair band thing. They BECAME a hair band. They didnt start out like one at all exactly (sure, Roth had voluminous hair, but...). Besides, you have to be mentally sick to compare them to Poison or Motley Crue.

If you dont like AC/DC.....I dont whats wrong with you, seriously.

[BarryC]

I consider them almost Classic Rock to Hard Rock (if that).

Metal is a totally different genre.

I realize, at the time they formed it was considered Metal, but not anymore.

Metal is just a sub-genre of Rock which is a sub-genre of the Blues.

[tmanrocks]

Pantera was metal-ish. It didn't have the speed or intensty

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If you think that lacks speed and intensity you are ******ed trent.

Listen to the whole thing , not like 5 seconds.

[jose92]

ok i think aluminum is a metal...
but i think metal is just a way
of describing music...
i don't really think there's a solid
defanition of metal...but
i'd have 2 say it's Ac/DC

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Metal is just a sub-genre of Rock which is a sub-genre of the Blues.

You may be right, but that "just" you put in there ****s it up.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

ok i think aluminum is a metal...
but i think metal is just a way
of describing music...
i don't really think there's a solid
defanition of metal...but
i'd have 2 say it's Ac/DC

Yes, theres a solid definition of Metal, but if you are not in Metal, you wouldnt know it. For you guys Metal ended with Metallica. GET OFF METALLICA ALREADY.

Wikipedia is thy friend.

[Jsnkr9216]

They were metal when their music came out.


They're Hard Rock by today's standards.

[Phrank-E]

Metal is Metal nd Rock is Rock. Either you the difference or you don't.

AC/DC was rock.. They were heavily influenced by blues, had the raw aggression of punk and wound up being a great Hard Rock band.

Metal is more than the guitar or speed or lyrical prose. It is an animal of it's own.

Here is one for the kids to chew on... Motorhead is not Metal either.... Pure rock and roll through and through. Again, They had a very raw punkness in their sound.

Van Halen definately a hard rock band... By today's or yesteryear standards.

[Jsnkr9216]

Trent, by saying Pantera didn't have speed or intensity, you fail at life and I would like to escort you to the nearest bridge that allows you access to a crushing and painful death.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

damn - no "rubbish" or "terrible" answer for your question, so ill have to leave it blank for now aww :(

[bounchfx]

I hate this. there are way too many subgenres in metal and music in general to lump it all together. I thought we went though this already.

[newwaytodie]

Here is one for the kids to chew on... Motorhead is not Metal either.... Pure rock and roll through and through. Again, They had a very raw punkness in their sound.


Motorhead is in the religious category, being that Lemmy is god.

[fragpirate]

the whole reason that this entire genre is called metal is because of the heavy characteristics of the music.

its heavy like metal so they call it metal.

there for to me, metal is any music that has a heavy feeling to it.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Yeah, but becareful with that fragpirate, because some metalcore **** might slip under our fingers with that definition.

[RiffMeister]

http://www.filmfocus.co.uk/images/media/12/285.jpg

AC/DC and Van Halen are Hard Rock bands.

I think some of you must need to use one of these .... :)

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[LavatoryLoveMachine]

http://www.filmfocus.co.uk/images/media/12/285.jpg

AC/DC and Van Halen are Hard Rock bands.

I think some of you must need to use one of these .... :)

http://www.garrett.com/images/hobby/inuse/master1.jpg

lol

By the way, there only like 4 or 5 people who would call AC/DC and Van Halen Metal.

But, like stated before, back when they started, they WERE the definition of heavy music. We are talking before Judas Priest's explosion, and before Metallica.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

actually the judas priest "explosion" started before van halen released their first album. also not to mention that sabbath were obviously more metal than any band to come after them including ac/dc and van halen

[no_direction_home]

i guess hard rock but i wouldent even give them that i would just consider them rock