Oh god, I just found a new definition for torture...

[FlameSama1]

I'm listening to all of Metallica's albums. I did Load yesterday, ReLoad a few hours ago, and now...I'm at the last album, St. Anger.

Best for last?

Heh, I removed to singles from my playlist, so I'm listening to
All Within My Hands,
Dirty Window,
Invisible Kid,
My World,
Purify,
Shoot Me Again,
and Sweet Amber.

All Within My Hands is terrible! What the hell is with two minutes of "KILL KILL KILL!!!!" at the end?

Dirty Window is playing right now, which also has stupid lyrics. INFECTOR, REJECTOR, PROJECTOR, GRAB A SHOTGUN AND PULL THE TRIGG-OR, THIS SONG SUCKS ASS-OR...

A long way to go. :(

[Alright_Computer]

You must be a pretty extreme masochist to actually listen to that album.

[CCDaDon]

Listening to Metallica is torture in of itself but adding St. Anger to the mix is... *shiver*

[supernova1324]

Inb4 Crimson Saint comes in and criticizes you.

[FlameSama1]

You must be a pretty extreme masochist to actually listen to that album.

Hey...I don't think my personal life is anyone's business >_> <_<


Inb4 Crimson Saint comes in and criticizes you.

Hey, truth hurts and I'm a big fan of Metallica. It's just not good, some of the guitar riffs are good, just not good the way they were used.

[JohnTheDrummer]

YIKES. I tried listening to St. Anger when I was stuck in traffic... ya know... give it a little more of a chance... couldn't take it... just couldn't do it.

[FlameSama1]

I DID IT...AND I'M ALIVE!

I had to listen to Wounded Soul and GOOD Metallica just to shake the feeling of suck from my body...

[gosox333]

but guise i liekd st anger

[harbingerofdoom]

i can safely say that i have listened to a total of 3:14 worth of metallica that was released after the black album.

and i see no reason to change that fact at this point.

[instantdeath999]

I didn't mind the album. I liked Dirty Window a lot.

[rgdrafting]

I didn't mind the album. I liked Dirty Window a lot.

Agreed.

I can almost accept the fact that they tried something 'different' and omitted any & all guitar solos....but the 'tin-can' drums are just too much for me.

I can listen to some of it in moderation...but it's far from my favorite.

[citric_bullets]

Agh. St Anger... I get that they were trying something different. But the thing is, doing something different really only works if it's part of the natural evolution of your sound. St Anger was most certainly not in that line.

[Gowienczyk]

I always thought it was funny that Megadeth did a hard rock record (Risk) and it was nowhere near as bad as when Metallica tried it.

I'm not a MEGADETH RULZ!!!111 guy either, so don't throw that in my face.

[citric_bullets]

I always thought it was funny that Megadeth did a hard rock record (Risk) and it was nowhere near as bad as when Metallica tried it.

I'm not a MEGADETH RULZ!!!111 guy either, so don't throw that in my face.

The thing about that whole situation is that Megadeth strayed from thrash metal later than Metallica did, and got back to it sooner. Even if Risk was buried further in the abyss of garbage than some of Metallica's hard rock outings, Megadeth realized their folly sooner and corrected it in due time.

[Gowienczyk]

They pretty much abandoned thrash in the early 90s though and went to a more comforting place with speed metal, imo, though.

[citric_bullets]

They pretty much abandoned thrash in the early 90s though and went to a more comforting place with speed metal, imo, though.

True, throughout the 90's they worked their way away from thrash, but they definitely stayed pretty metal. And they sort of worked their way towards hard rock. Metallica's progression on the other hand is really confusing. I mean you've got their thrash/speed metal type beginnings which progressively evolve into these technical, 8+ minute epics on MOP and AJFA. And then out of nowhere comes the Black Album. And then they put out hard rock albums for a while. And out of nowhere comes St Anger. And out of nowhere comes another thrash album.

[Gowienczyk]

Metallica always came off as a bunch of guys that didn't know what they were doing, I mean they could write some good songs, but they had no direction. Stuff just happened. While Megadeth isn't the most consistent band, but they never got confused. Mustaine always knew what he wanted to do on a record and the next one.

[Bearclaw]

Metallica always came off as a bunch of guys that didn't know what they were doing, I mean they could write some good songs, but they had no direction. Stuff just happened. While Megadeth isn't the most consistent band, but they never got confused. Mustaine always knew what he wanted to do on a record and the next one.

I can see it now: Metallica sits in a room coming up with ideas for a new album but the wheels just aren't spinning. Hetfield breaks the silence and says "Ok, I'll do it." With careful aim he throws the dart and fate takes it from there.

[instantdeath999]

Metallica always came off as a bunch of guys that didn't know what they were doing, I mean they could write some good songs, but they had no direction. Stuff just happened. While Megadeth isn't the most consistent band, but they never got confused. Mustaine always knew what he wanted to do on a record and the next one.

I think Metallica had a clear goal when creating Kill em' All; to play loud music and piss people off. You can see that in their lyrics, early interviews, and even behavior (James and Rob would play around their school as loud as they could to get shock value). They unintentionally contributed to Thrash metal, taking influence from punk rock, the New wave of British metal, and "classic" rock.

After that, Cliff started to write (he had little writing on Kill em All). I know your opinion on him, however, he was a good composer IMO, and definitely had a clear vision of what he wanted to do. The others seemed to just follow along.

When Cliff died, I think their intention was to continue on without Cliff by making everything more technical, longer, and heavier, which led to AJFA. After that, Bob Rock took over, and he was the one with the vision. The guys definitely had ideas (like incorporating Blues and Southern rock into their music), but Bob Rock was the one steering.

[citric_bullets]

@instantdeath

I definitely agree with your view. Ever since Bob Rock initially showed up, Metallica has, for the most part, been at the mercy of their producer.

[rgdrafting]

I think Metallica had a clear goal when creating Kill em' All; to play loud music and piss people off. You can see that in their lyrics, early interviews, and even behavior (James and Rob would play around their school as loud as they could to get shock value). They unintentionally contributed to Thrash metal, taking influence from punk rock, the New wave of British metal, and "classic" rock.

After that, Cliff started to write (he had little writing on Kill em All). I know your opinion on him, however, he was a good composer IMO, and definitely had a clear vision of what he wanted to do. The others seemed to just follow along.

When Cliff died, I think their intention was to continue on without Cliff by making everything more technical, longer, and heavier, which led to AJFA. After that, Bob Rock took over, and he was the one with the vision. The guys definitely had ideas (like incorporating Blues and Southern rock into their music), but Bob Rock was the one steering.

Rob who?

[Gowienczyk]

Burton definitely always came off as the bandleader.

Also, producers can be the best thing ever or commercial nightmares.

[instantdeath999]

Rob who?

Ah, I'm sorry, Ron. Ron McGovney, the first bassist they had before Cliff Burton.

[rgdrafting]

Burton definitely always came off as the bandleader.

Also, producers can be the best thing ever or commercial nightmares.

Yeah, and Bob Rock was just the opposite (IMO, of course)...he was commercially spectacular for Metallica -- but he was the worst thing that could have happened to their music.

[Gowienczyk]

Yeah, and Bob Rock was just the opposite (IMO, of course)...he was commercially spectacular for Metallica -- but he was the worst thing that could have happened to their music.

I wasn't referring to commercial nightmares in the sense that it would ruin them commercially. ;)

[instantdeath999]

I honestly like The Black Album, and somewhat like Load and Reload, but I will admit that they were much better at Thrash.

[citric_bullets]

I honestly like The Black Album, and somewhat like Load and Reload, but I will admit that they were much better at Thrash.

I do like the Black Album. There are some decently heavy riffs scattered throughout there. But Load and ReLoad are usually too much for me to stomach. I have to be in a very good mood to not skip a track from the Loading and ReLoading days of the band. :p

[rgdrafting]

I honestly like The Black Album, and somewhat like Load and Reload, but I will admit that they were much better at Thrash.

Me too...

I think it's mostly because I was a fan before the Black Album came out. TBA, Load & Reload all had moments of brilliance...but in the end it's all kinda 'cookie-cutter' ...radio-friendly, if you will.

[instantdeath999]

Me too...

I think it's mostly because I was a fan before the Black Album came out. TBA, Load & Reload all had moments of brilliance...but in the end it's all kinda 'cookie-cutter' ...radio-friendly, if you will.

I'd say the Black Album was more radio friendly than Load/Reload.

[RockBandRocker]

Why did you even listen to "St. Anger"?

Just stop at "Metallica" ("The Black Album"), then jump to "S&M" and jump to "Death Magnetic"!!

(Although there are some good singles on "Load"/"Reload")

[instantdeath999]

Why did you even listen to "St. Anger"?


Personally, I don't think you should ever judge music by others opinion. It's best to listen to it and form your own opinion.

[RockBandRocker]

Personally, I don't think you should ever judge music by others opinion. It's best to listen to it and form your own opinion.

Even the singles from it suck.

"Load" & "Reload" (for all their faults) have decent singles!!

[chumsicles]

All Within My Hands is terrible! What the hell is with two minutes of "KILL KILL KILL!!!!" at the end?



That part's TWO minutes long? I barely made it through a 40-second excerpt of it without cringing.


And this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TovqogviVU) pretty much sums up the entire album in 6 minutes, for those who aren't willing to sit through the whole album

[rgdrafting]

I'd say the Black Album was more radio friendly than Load/Reload.

Yeah, you're probably right. But all three definitely seem like they were trying to cram as many 'potential hit singles' on them as they could.

The thing that I always notice about 80's Metallica vs. 90's Metallica is that, on the early albums, each had it's own sound that was consistent through the album. For instance, any song from RTL (say...Trapped Under Ice) would sound completely out of place on MoP....etc.

But on the 90's albums (Load & Reload especially), it's like a mish-mash of 'singles'. Actually, I will say that TBA had a more distinctive sound...but they still chopped up the songs to be more 4-5 minute songs, rather than fewer 6-8 minute songs...'radio friendly' ;)

[rowtheboat]

I actually liked ST.Anger

[Ragin_Caucasion]

So this thread inspired me to try to try and listen to St. Anger (the song) again, and it's not quite as bad as I thought. Seems more meh-ish. Though, once I got to the "I'm madly in anger with you", I raged out of there. But it doesn't seem quite as bad as some people make it out to be; not saying it's good, but not the cancer of music some people describe it as.

[instantdeath999]

So this thread inspired me to try to try and listen to St. Anger (the song) again, and it's not quite as bad as I thought. Seems more meh-ish. Though, once I got to the "I'm madly in anger with you", I raged out of there. But it doesn't seem quite as bad as some people make it out to be; not saying it's good, but not the cancer of music some people describe it as.

St. Anger (song) is actually one of the weaker ones on the album.

[Bearclaw]

Though, once I got to the "I'm madly in anger with you", I raged out of there.

I lol'd irl (pardon the crude vernacular).

I'm honestly not sure if I'm even familiar with the songs on St. Anger, I'll have to give it a listen when I have the free time.

[Zeleii]

I always thought it was funny that Megadeth did a hard rock record (Risk) and it was nowhere near as bad as when Metallica tried it.

I'm not a MEGADETH RULZ!!!111 guy either, so don't throw that in my face.
I am, when you linked me that Marty show.... favorited it.

I need a torrent of that