Best Drummer To Ever Exist

[ryan12147]

You tell me... who do you think is the best drummer to ever live in rock?

[Gowienczyk]

Damon Che.

[Fizzeler]

Hard for me to decide, but I guess I will go with Alan White

[ryan12147]

oops, just realized i left out John Bonham, any way of editing polls?

[Fizzeler]

oops, just realized i left out John Bonham, any way of editing polls?

No and I would take off the poll completely

[ArmsAreLoud]

I voted for Matt just because he's up there, but it's really Buddy Rich.

[lawrence1103]

John Bonham

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

My favorite is Bill Ward but it's pointless arguing who the "best" is.

[Hungryfreak]

Steve Flynn

[gmarsh]

3. John Bonham
2. Neil Peart
1. Keith Moon
Im votin peart anyway because im watching a rush concert on vh1right now, and he just looks so smooth...

[kwami42]

LOL @ Taylor Hawkins being on this poll.

[Soror_YZBL]

Tr-909

[Shredder87]

Steve Flynn
We meet again........


GO LOMBARDO!!!!

[a21schizoidman]

fail poll is fail

[ArmsAreLoud]

LOL @ Taylor Hawkins and Shawn Drover being on this poll.

Fixed.

[Hungryfreak]

We meet again........


GO LOMBARDO!!!!

Just admit defeat already :P

[Alright_Computer]

Out of these, Keith Moon. However, the majority of this list is pretty fail.

[UneasyMonkey]

3. John Bonham
2. Neil Peart
1. Keith Moon
Im votin peart anyway because im watching a rush concert on vh1right now, and he just looks so smooth...

That's me exactly, man. I voted for Moonie, tho. My 4 would be Ginger Baker and 5...probably, Carl Palmer or Mitch Mitchell

And I say Bill Bruford is better than Alan White

[Runesmith]

He's not the "best", but definately my all-time favorite drummer: Clem Burke.

[THE_T0XICITY]

I like the Foo Fighters but Taylor Hawkins doesn't sound very good. David Grohl is more talented in my opinion.
But Brann Dailor is beast.
John Bonham was beast at it's best.

[MronoC]

Why would you put Shawn Drover in the poll over Gar Samuelson or Nick Menza?

Anyway, I've always loved Bill Ward's drumming, and Brann Dailor's amazing.

[RoadHog]

In no particular order.....Mike Portnoy, Neal Peart and Buddy Rich.

[rnrowner]

Gotta say my Canadian Home Boy Neal Peart :P

[TheClashTheClashTheClash]

Topper Headon aka The Human Drum Machine

[zeldazeppelin]

Yoshiki the Drummer and pianist of X-Japan and S.K.I.N( another band I like)

[a7xforlife]

3. Brann Dailor
Tied
Mike Portnoy (uses more bass, more metalish)
Niel Pert (more complex)

[UneasyMonkey]

While Mike Portnoy is an AMAZING drummer, he's still no Neil Peart. Neil Peart's drum solos perform miracles such as curing cancer and blindness.

[zeldazeppelin]

While Mike Portnoy is an AMAZING drummer, he's still no Neil Peart. Neil Peart's drum solos perform miracles such as curing cancer and blindness.

I see your a fanboy.

[UneasyMonkey]

I see your a fanboy.

Not really. I like Keith Moon more. I was just incredibly over-exaggerating about Neil Peart's awesomeness like how I say that it's a fact that the Beatles are the greatest band of all time

[zeldazeppelin]

Not really. I like Keith Moon more. I was just incredibly over-exaggerating about Neil Peart's awesomeness like how I say that it's a fact that the Beatles are the greatest band of all time

Ok making sure

[WingsOfSteel]

Keith Moon's up there. I'm a big fan of Phil Ehart, too.

[SenorLarry]

It's hard to say... I think it's a tie between Nicko McBrain (Iron Maiden) and Lars Ulrich (Metallica).

[franticfish]

Lars Ulrich lol...

[Ataraxia]

LIsten to some songs Dave Grohl has drummed on, (Nirvana, Foo Fighters, QOTSA, etc.) he's really good.

[toymachineSH]

Terry Bozzio

[My name is Fez]

Meg White. lolol

[gmarsh]

fail poll is fail

agreed, other than moon or peart, the list is pretty bad

[WhiteManJohnson]

Gave Drover some love. You've got to be pretty crazy to be a drummer for a thrash metal band.

[TheManInBlack]

Ian Paice from Deep Purple

[Shanerane]

Wow that is really hard to decide, but I'm going to have to go with Neil Peart

[a21schizoidman]

Meg White. lolol

she doesn't even know how to ****

[Mega-Tallica]

Duh, Mike Portnoy is easily one of the best KNOWN drummers in the world, I don't know too many underground drummers but Portnoy is the best.

[Fizzeler]

Duh, Mike Portnoy is easily one of the best KNOWN drummers in the world, I don't know too many underground drummers but Portnoy is the best.

No

Grohl is better than Portney

[Mega-Tallica]

No

Grohl is better than Portney

You better be joking dude. lol

[a21schizoidman]

Duh, Mike Portnoy is easily one of the best KNOWN drummers in the world, I don't know too many underground drummers but Portnoy is the best.

yes because the fact that being well known makes you good

[Fizzeler]

You better be joking dude. lol

depends what works by what groups if you mean Portney's Dream Theater work vs. Grohl's Nirvana work I would say Grohl wins, but LTE and Transatlantic tips it more in favor of Portney

[LankanLatino]

depends what works by what groups if you mean Portney's Dream Theater work vs. Grohl's Nirvana work I would say Grohl wins, but LTE and Transatlantic tips it more in favor of Portney

what about songs for the deaf for Grohl?
i dont know much about these drummers but ive heard the album time and time again and he's beastly on that

[Ultimatum]

Duh, Mike Portnoy is easily one of the best KNOWN drummers in the world, I don't know too many underground drummers but Portnoy is the best.

Boring, lifeless, lacks feel.

[LankanLatino]

and since i dont know sh*t all about drummers, all i wanted to ask is

is it pronounced Neil Peer-t
or Neil Purt

[Fizzeler]

what about songs for the deaf for Grohl?
i dont know much about these drummers but ive heard the album time and time again and he's beastly on that

tips the scale in Grohl's favor I never even mentioned anything other than Nirvana for Grohl, but yes he is great on that album and personally I think he should be the drummer for the Foo Fighters

[Ultimatum]

No One Knows is the reason I picked up the sticks.

[Fizzeler]

No One Knows is the reason I picked up the sticks.

just like Roudabout will be the reason I pick up the bass :p

Seriously Grohl with QOTSA was great

[supernova1324]

Grohl had some crazy material on Probot's album.

[pawdo]

The dude from Def Leopard who only has one arm .

[bearfoot21]

Travis Barker

[a21schizoidman]

Travis Barker

this is the funniest thing i've read today

[Ultimatum]

Travis Barker

lolno

[zeldazeppelin]

this is the funniest thing i've read today

It really is

[RainbowMist]

tips the scale in Grohl's favor I never even mentioned anything other than Nirvana for Grohl, but yes he is great on that album and personally I think he should be the drummer for the Foo Fighters

While I'd put Dave Grohl on this list before I'd put Taylor Hawkins, Taylor's no slouch and I think he deserves his place in the Foo Fighters, especially since him and Dave trade places sometimes.

[supernova1324]

The dude from Def Leopard who only has one arm .

He's not the best, but he can do pretty damn good for one arm.

And lol at Travis Barker.

[UneasyMonkey]

Dave Grohl is great, but I think his worst work would be with Nirvana. He was even better in Songs for the Deaf and the early Foo Fighters albums he drummed on.

[LankanLatino]

which album did Grohl do the drums for foo fighters, was that the color and the shape??

and no one answered me!!
is it pronounced neil peer-t or pur-t??

[UneasyMonkey]

which album did Grohl do the drums for foo fighters, was that the color and the shape??

and no one answered me!!
is it pronounced neil peer-t or pur-t??

Lol HEY! you're one of my friends on Xbox Live! And it's "pur-t"

Grohl drummed on the first album, Colour and the Shape except for Doll and My Poor Brain, and a few songs on There is Nothing Left to Lose (the first album with Taylor Hawkins; TH just took over almost completely from there). Yes, that means Grohl played on Everlong and My Hero...

[sonicnerd23]

Tie between Jimmy Chamberlain and Bill Bruford.

[Ultimatum]

Lol HEY! you're one of my friends on Xbox Live! And it's "pur-t"

Grohl drummed on the first album, Colour and the Shape except for Doll and My Poor Brain, and a few songs on There is Nothing Left to Lose (the first album with Taylor Hawkins; TH just took over almost completely from there). Yes, that means Grohl played on Everlong and My Hero...

It's not "pur-t", I can't remember the pronunciation, but I'm 95% sure the members of Rush pronounce it differently.

[JukeBoxHero]

It's not "pur-t", I can't remember the pronunciation, but I'm 95% sure the members of Rush pronounce it differently.

I think it's pee-urt

[UneasyMonkey]

It's not "pur-t", I can't remember the pronunciation, but I'm 95% sure the members of Rush pronounce it differently.

It's cos they're Canadian :p

[UneasyMonkey]

I think it's pee-urt

According to the wiki, it's "Pih-art" or "Peh-art"

[LankanLatino]

Lol HEY! you're one of my friends on Xbox Live! And it's "pur-t"

Grohl drummed on the first album, Colour and the Shape except for Doll and My Poor Brain, and a few songs on There is Nothing Left to Lose (the first album with Taylor Hawkins; TH just took over almost completely from there). Yes, that means Grohl played on Everlong and My Hero...

lol yes i believe i am, how much dlc do you got anyway? we should play sometime soon

and yeah i dont know much foo fighters or grohl but whatever is on rb that i do know for sure he does, is always fun.

[UneasyMonkey]

lol yes i believe i am, how much dlc do you got anyway? we should play sometime soon

and yeah i dont know much foo fighters or grohl but whatever is on rb that i do know for sure he does, is always fun.

Yeah I see you on a lot playing dlc. I have around 102 or 103 I think (not including the 20 bonus). I don't have any of the albums cos for the ones I want, I want to buy the whole thing at once, but I never have that much money at one time...What instrument do you usually play?

[TheHumanTheory]

John Bonham from Led Zepplin

[johndillinger1932]

its a toss up between..Chris Pennie - formerly of Dillinger Escape Plan
and Tomas Haake of Messuggah

what most drummers (like all those guys on the voting list) only do as "solos" during shows, these guys actually incorperated complexed off-time rythmns into actual songs.

[Ultimatum]

Haake does not use odd-time signatures. He uses odd-note permutations within 4/4.

GIGANTIC difference.

And polyrhythms, offbeat rhythms, odd time sigs, etc. have been around for ages. Penny is remarkable in what he is capable outside of DEP and Co&Ca, but I'm not too terribly impressed by his studio work.

[johndillinger1932]

Haake does not use odd-time signatures. He uses odd-note permutations within 4/4.

GIGANTIC difference.

And polyrhythms, offbeat rhythms, odd time sigs, etc. have been around for ages. Penny is remarkable in what he is capable outside of DEP and Co&Ca, but I'm not too terribly impressed by his studio work.
well seeing that you understand music theory. i was being general.

[a21schizoidman]

well seeing that you understand music theory. i was being general.

seeing as he's an actual drummer, i'm sure he's right

[Fizzeler]

seeing as he's an actual drummer, i'm sure he's right

I am actually surprised you have not put up the Palmer video in this thread yet

[a21schizoidman]

I am actually surprised you have not put up the Palmer video in this thread yet

when the time times my friend, when the time comes

[supernova1324]

John Bonham from Led Zepplin

I wasn't aware that Bonham was still drumming...

[MronoC]

I wasn't aware that Bonham was still drumming...

the topic is best drummer to ever exist.

[supernova1324]

the topic is best drummer to ever exist.

*faceplam*

My bad, I thought this was the best modern drummer thread...

[UneasyMonkey]

I wasn't aware that Bonham was still drumming...

Well...A Bonham is still drumming: Jason Bonham, John's son. John Bonham has long since passed away, along with Keith Moon...RIP

[UneasyMonkey]

when the time times my friend, when the time comes

Lol when someone says that Neil Peart is better than Carl Palmer, right? :p

[Kush_TT]

Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater deserves a mention.

Ginger Baker is still a f***ing mad drummer, despite being about 70.

[a21schizoidman]

Lol when someone says that Neil Peart is better than Carl Palmer, right? :p

don't tempt me

[ryan12147]

Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater deserves a mention.

Ginger Baker is still a f***ing mad drummer, despite being about 70.

i really messed up this poll lol i realized after i posted the poll i missed a tonne of people however Mike Portney isn't one of them because he uses a double bass pedal and isn't really as good as he sounds. He's a good drummer but not exactly the best... i know i'm being ironic :p

[johndillinger1932]

Chris Pennie - Dillinger Escape Plan
Gil Sharone - +44, stolen babies, dilinger escape plan
tomas haake - meshuggah
william goldsmith - sunny day real estate, the fire theft, early live foo fighters
igor calavera - sepultura
dennis merrick - earth crisis
Dr. Chud - the misfits, sardonica, electric frankenstein

[JerryBrudos]

I love Clive Burr, Maiden's previous drummer. He has a really unique style that adds a ton of energy to every song, very under rated if you ask me.

[Ryuzaki]

3. Dave Grohl
2. Keith Moon
1. Neil Peart

[a21schizoidman]

this seems a fitting place to unveil this to HoR (http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/74/l_126b8e56cded4f88be616ce20e10974c.jpg)

[UneasyMonkey]

this seems a fitting place to unveil this to HoR (http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/74/l_126b8e56cded4f88be616ce20e10974c.jpg)

Lmao...so are you coming out of the closet?

[Alright_Computer]

this seems a fitting place to unveil this to HoR (http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/74/l_126b8e56cded4f88be616ce20e10974c.jpg)

Lol.

[a21schizoidman]

Lmao...so are you coming out of the closet?

(facepalm) way to take a joke too seriously

[UneasyMonkey]

(facepalm) way to take a joke too seriously

I was joking too...:rolleyes:

[pokerguy94]

John "Bonzo" Bonham

[grunge 101]

the drummer for derik and the dominoes(now in jail for life for killing his mother)

[dabears116]

There is no "best" drummer, I can only tell you a fraction of the best: Buddy Rich, Tony Williams, Gene Krupa, Max Roach, Kenny Clarke, Elvin Jones, Billy Cobha, Carl Palmer, Jack DeJohnette, Art Blakey, Roy Haynes, Joe Morello, Bill Bruford, and Hal Blaine. In addition to several great metal drummers such as Gene Hoglan, Steve Flynn, Dave Lombardo, Richard Christy, and Steve MacDonald.

I would say the three best that I have heard of are Max Roach, Buddy Rich, and Billy Cobham.

Limited to just rock though, I'd say Carl Palmer, Bruford, Neil Peart, and Terry Bozzio.

[Kieth_Bonham]

You can all read my username for the answer to this thread.
I listen to Neil Peart all the time, and i don't consider the man a drummer but a percussionist . When i listen to Peart, im not moved. I dont feel impressed, or emotionally moved. He plays so ridiculously fast, you cant even hear a beat 30% of the time. Moon and Bonham were amazing. I couldn't get enough of Keith activeness and his rapid flow with each who song. For Bonham, well.. just listen to Moby Dick, you will agree. Ginger Baker is probably also one of the greatest. I love his personality and his drumming skills. Eric Clapton was pretty lucky. Mitch Mitchell and even some David Grohl.

[dabears116]

You can all read my username for the answer to this thread.
I listen to Neil Peart all the time, and i don't consider the man a drummer but a percussionist . When i listen to Peart, im not moved. I dont feel impressed, or emotionally moved. He plays so ridiculously fast, you cant even hear a beat 30% of the time.
Is that a joke? And I would like to introduce you to my good psuedo-Barack Obama friend, Max Roach (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wnW2KLWE-g).

[Kieth_Bonham]

Is that a joke? And I would like to introduce you to my good psuedo-Barack Obama friend, Max Roach (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wnW2KLWE-g).

Hey man, i didnt say Max Roach was bad
I just think this- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKgcB9LDxcM&feature=related
This-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hngmb0pTcMY
And this-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etrvv1-27Yg&feature=related
Are all a bit better sounding and more fun to listen jamming to than the overrated drummer Neal Pert. Max Roach is awesome, and i never said crap about him so shut up man.

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

This
Dave Grohl on John Bonham

"John Bonham played the drums like someone who didn't know what was going to happen next -- like he was teetering on the edge of a cliff. No one has come close to that since, and I don't think anybody ever will. I think he will forever be the greatest drummer of all time. You have no idea how much he influenced me. I spent years in my bedroom -- literally ****ing years -- listening to Bonham's drums and trying to emulate his swing or his behind-the-beat swagger or his speed or power. Not just memorizing what he did on those albums but getting myself into a place where I would have the same instinctual direction as he had. I have John Bonham tattoos all over my body -- on my wrists, my arms, my shoulders. I gave myself one when I was fifteen. It's the three circles that were his insignia on Zeppelin IV and on the front of his kick drum."

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5940050/the_immortals__the_greatest_artists_of_all_time_14 _led_zeppelin

[dabears116]

You can pretty much assume that anything that Rolling Stone Magazine says is false, they never know enough. Bonham is good, but he wouldn't make the top 40 drummers of all time. In terms of rock, maybe top 10, although he isn't one of the "best three" like so many seem to think. There are better drummers, people just don't know it.

[Mystlyfe77]

You can pretty much assume that anything that Rolling Stone Magazine says is false, they never know enough. Bonham is good, but he wouldn't make the top 40 drummers of all time. In terms of rock, maybe top 10, although he isn't one of the "best three" like so many seem to think. There are better drummers, people just don't know it.

Yes, because quotes in the magazine from artists are totally false...

[Ultimatum]

You can all read my username for the answer to this thread.
I listen to Neil Peart all the time, and i don't consider the man a drummer but a percussionist . When i listen to Peart, im not moved. I dont feel impressed, or emotionally moved. He plays so ridiculously fast, you cant even hear a beat 30% of the time. Moon and Bonham were amazing. I couldn't get enough of Keith activeness and his rapid flow with each who song. For Bonham, well.. just listen to Moby Dick, you will agree. Ginger Baker is probably also one of the greatest. I love his personality and his drumming skills. Eric Clapton was pretty lucky. Mitch Mitchell and even some David Grohl.

Peart isn't even that fast.

All drummers are percussionists, your attempt at an analogy is laughable.

[dabears116]

Yes, because quotes in the magazine from artists are totally false...
**** me...

[FatFreeDoritos]

Brann Dailor.

[ryan12147]

Ok guys, let's let this thread die now...

[mr_macphisto]

Ginger Baker was an amazing drummer, as is Tre Cool and also Keith Moon. :eek:

[Squaretriangles]

Ginger Baker was an amazing drummer, as is Tre Cool and also Keith Moon. :eek:

way2necropost

[Mega-Tallica]

Best drummers to ever exist in my mind are Dennis Chambers, Thomas Lang, Tony Royster Jr., and Mike Portnoy.

I know Mike Portnoy doesn't really fit in that group, but he's my personal favorite drummer.

[franticfish]

way2necropost
Why is it that when people make new 'Best drummer ever' threads they get attacked and moan about how their's already a ton of threads about best drummer and that the OP should use the search function yet when they do search and post in that thread they get moaned at for necro-posting?

By the best drummers in my opinion are Steve Flynn, Billy Cobham, Gene Hoglan, Elvin Jones, Carl Palmer, Terry Bozzio and Keith Moon.

[ImHotterThanYou]

John Bonham
John Bonham

[Fizzeler]

By the best drummers in my opinion are Steve Flynn, Billy Cobham, Gene Hoglan, Elvin Jones, Carl Palmer, Terry Bozzio and Keith Moon.

I would add Bill Bruford to the list

[Mega-Tallica]

Dennis Chambers, Thomas Lang, Tony Royster Jr., Carl Palmer, Steve Flynn, and Mike Portnoy are the best drummers in my opinion.

[franticfish]

I would add Bill Bruford to the list
Nah, in terms of prog I prefer Carl Palmer and Phil Collins to Bill; plus Bill never reached the heights with Yes or King Crimson that he reached with his jazz fusion group. You should check them out.

[Sargehalo51]

Personally, I have always thought Steve Smith (Journey) was one of the best drummers of all time.

[Fizzeler]

Nah, in terms of prog I prefer Carl Palmer and Phil Collins to Bill; plus Bill never reached the heights with Yes or King Crimson that he reached with his jazz fusion group. You should check them out.

I still need to check out UK, but yeah I will check them out as well :)

[I'am the Yo]

While he may not be the best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyaFL24Zu8c#watch-main-area, that guy is crazy fast

[willdabeast21]

Mitch Mitchell's is really good, he should be up there
Along with John Bonham

[Fizzeler]

Nah, in terms of prog I prefer Carl Palmer and Phil Collins to Bill; plus Bill never reached the heights with Yes or King Crimson that he reached with his jazz fusion group. You should check them out.
I just remembered I forgot Mark Zonder definitely my favorite Prog. Metal drummers

[Soror_YZBL]

Meg White

[JukeBoxHero]

Why is it that when people make new 'Best drummer ever' threads they get attacked and moan about how their's already a ton of threads about best drummer and that the OP should use the search function yet when they do search and post in that thread they get moaned at for necro-posting?


Because people like to moan, it's something driven into us at birth.

[Alright_Computer]

I guess Elvin Jones is my personal favorite. My favorite rock drummer is probably Reni.

[mercury11]

I voted Keith

[MrFruitLord]

way2necropost

That's my line! Well, I say in a different way, but still.
EDIT: Out of all the Megadeth drummers, why on Earth would you pick Shawn Drover? He's good, but he's no Gar Samuelson.

[WhiffleBallTony]

Virgil Donati is pretty ****ing crazy. That one album that On the Virg released has some of the most insanely complicated rhythmic aspects I've ever heard.

[February 30th]

Hell yeah... it's Keith Moon all the way! But aren't we forgetting Richard Starkey (Ringo Starr)?

[RetroMonster]

Metallica (LARS ULRICH)

and

Slipknot (JOEY)

[Mega-Tallica]

While he may not be the best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyaFL24Zu8c#watch-main-area, that guy is crazy fast
Dennis Chambers is a lot faster than him. And he can play two different rythmes with the bass pedals. That's insane.

[Mega-Tallica]

Metallica (LARS ULRICH)

and

Slipknot (JOEY)

Joking, right?

[iwolfe]

There's some jazz drummers that belong in the discussion here too. I was watching some videos of Buddy Rich the other day and he's incredible.

[Evilbottom]

If we're talking about Rock and its sub-genres,(in no order), Mike Portnoy, Keith Moon and Neil Peart. But then if you take into account the whole spectrum of music and drummers, you've got beasts like Buddy Rich as well.

Plus, discussing who is 'best' is the most pointless thing ever.

Also, Taylor Hawkins, Shawn Drover and Matt Cameron don't belong in the poll. I think possibly the only reason they are is for having difficult songs in RB.

[a21schizoidman]

By the best drummers in my opinion are Steve Flynn, Billy Cobham, Gene Hoglan, Elvin Jones, Carl Palmer, Terry Bozzio and Keith Moon.

and i remember why i respect you so much :D


Nah, in terms of prog I prefer Carl Palmer and Phil Collins to Bill; plus Bill never reached the heights with Yes or King Crimson that he reached with his jazz fusion group. You should check them out.

Bill was a toned down Carl during his Yes days, and only really impressed me in KC when he did that dual drummer setup with them, Phil was an amazing drummer, and sadly most people forget that, remembering only a drum machine on In the Air Tonight (in which in an interview i heard a few years ago, he himself even claimed that it would be the most boring drumming ever for a drummer to do, thus why he used a drum machine)

[Soror_YZBL]

Oh I'm changing my vote. After a bowl and getting a high 5 * on And Justice for All the actual best drummer to ever exist is me. Oh, don't worry, no matter where I go, I know where I came from. I'm still Jenny from the block.

[PJudge]

Neil Peart is probably best in my opinion. Favourites, however, also include Joey Kramer, Tommy Lee & Dave Grohl

[classicrockdude]

Metallica (LARS ULRICH)

and

Slipknot (JOEY)

*barfs*

[PJudge]

^ Ha ha ha, best. response. ever.

[Vaultous93]

I would that the best drummers to ever exist are Neil Pert, Gene Krupa, John Bonham and Buddy Rich. Some other favorites of mine are Chad Smith (RHCP & Chickenfoot) and Dave King (The Bad Plus).

[xIDidThePopex]

Joey Jordison, Chris Adler

[Hungryfreak]

By the best drummers in my opinion are Steve Flynn, Billy Cobham, Gene Hoglan, Elvin Jones, Carl Palmer, Terry Bozzio and Keith Moon.

I'm just going to go ahead and count all of the votes listed as 'other' for these guys (except Keith Moon, since he's up on the poll already).

[Mega-Tallica]

Joey Jordison, Chris Adler

Joey Jordison shouldn't even be mentioned when it comes to the best drummers. He's far from being the best.

[yaniv297]

That's very easy. Michael Giles of King Crimson. None of these guys come close to him.

[Lolicat]

omg lyk obviously Lars Bonham from Ledillica

[Keld0r]

mick fleetwood has skills. and like 5 foot long arms

[AKALink]

Larry from Church.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Clive Burr. Damn you, multiple sclerosis!! (shakes fist)

[Ookta_144]

Me :)

Lol Keith Moon.

[Ultimatum]

Dennis Chambers, Thomas Lang, Tony Royster Jr., Carl Palmer, Steve Flynn, and Mike Portnoy are the best drummers in my opinion.

So, basically any technical drummer ever?


While he may not be the best http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyaFL24Zu8c#watch-main-area, that guy is crazy fast

That is nowhere near his fastest, but it is probably his best solo, it's so tasty.


Virgil Donati is pretty ****ing crazy. That one album that On the Virg released has some of the most insanely complicated rhythmic aspects I've ever heard.

He continues to blow me away, his double bass work is some of the most impressive stuff I've heard, it's a totally different approach.


Dennis Chambers is a lot faster than him. And he can play two different rythmes with the bass pedals. That's insane.

Uh no, Mangini IS the world's fastest. That solo is nowhere near the fastest he can go, he's playing all sorts of polyrhythms and such during that solo, he can go plenty faster, just watch his performance Flight of the Bumblebee.

[the atomic sasquatch]

if u want a megadeath drummer go with nick menza best megadeath drummer ever

[a21schizoidman]

if u want a megadeath drummer go with nick menza best megadeath drummer ever

who is megadeath?


i've heard of Megadeth before

[Mega-Tallica]

So, basically any technical drummer ever?



That is nowhere near his fastest, but it is probably his best solo, it's so tasty.



He continues to blow me away, his double bass work is some of the most impressive stuff I've heard, it's a totally different approach.



Uh no, Mangini IS the world's fastest. That solo is nowhere near the fastest he can go, he's playing all sorts of polyrhythms and such during that solo, he can go plenty faster, just watch his performance Flight of the Bumblebee.

After seeing Flight Of The Wounded Bumblebee, I still think Dennis Chambers is faster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sF8c6LTvfw

[Ultimatum]

If we're talking doubles, maybe, but Mangini has the fastest singles.

[Mega-Tallica]

If we're talking doubles, maybe, but Mangini has the fastest singles.
You got to admit though that Chambers has some sickeningly fast rolls in that solo.

[Ultimatum]

That he does, that was a rather stupid debate anyway, Chambers is among my favorites, you just saw some of my Mangini fanboyism oozing out since his solo in Steve Vai's band was pretty much the first drum solo I ever fell in love with.

[synthesizedpiano]

This guy is amazing. Especially his single-handed rolls and his playing a beat and percussion at the same time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Sj7lJqzJbY
Don't know how he'd be in a band setting though.

[Shredder87]

we all know who the best drummer in the world is



























His name is Chuck mother Fu**ing Biscuits!!!!!!







In all honestly there's too many great bangers out there to name one, though I always lean heavily on the great Dave.

[Mega-Tallica]

This guy is amazing. Especially his single-handed rolls and his playing a beat and percussion at the same time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Sj7lJqzJbY
Don't know how he'd be in a band setting though.
I've seen that guy before, never found him that special.

[DrewLee865]

Neil Peart is the only amazing drummer up there. The others aren't bad though.

[Zomba]

Neil Peart is great because he's one of the few drummers that sometimes carry the melody of the sing with his many unique toms and percussion instruments. Also, Ringo Starr is vastly underrated. He may not be the quickest or flashiest, but he has some of the greatest technical fills ever created. Just take a look at "A Day in the Life". Most rock in the '60s just had drums to keep the beat, but Ringo really made it a part of the song.

[Ultimatum]

Ringo was hired because all he did was keep the beat....

[GNRrockslife]

Buddy Rich, and you're a schmuck if you think otherwise.

[Ultimatum]

Go ahead and call me a schmuck then.

[a21schizoidman]

Go ahead and call me a schmuck then.

i'll agree with you here

[Mega-Tallica]

Buddy Rich, and you're a schmuck if you think otherwise.

I guess I'm a schmuck then.:rolleyes:

[ArmsAreLoud]

Buddy Rich, and you're a schmuck if you think otherwise.

Except for the fact that these are rock drummers? Rich is great, but he doesn't rock.

[RandomBrandon]

Its Neil Peart but others that could be there are John Bonham and Nicko Mcbrain

[mercury11]

Charlie Watts

[NoShOeS87]

John Bonham, Keith Moon, and Neil Peart are all overrated although I love keith.

[Pleiadeez]

Most influential drummers are probably Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich. Bonham, Ringo, and Moon are up there as well.

Most skilled are those 5 (Maybe not Ringo TBH) and Peart.

Personal favorites are Bernard Purdie, Carter Beuford, Stewart Copeland.

Still subjective... there are alot of drummers who weren't with huge bands like Zeppelin or the Beatles that were extremely talented. Jeff Porcaro and Bernard Purdie are great examples of drummers who did hundreds of songs for many different bands, but were never really known.

[Ultimatum]

The Purdie shuffle is quite possibly the most recognizable of all shuffles, I'd hardly call those 2 "never really known", they're big names around drummers.

[Pleiadeez]

I did phrase that sentence wrong, sorry :(. I meant that they are not really recognized by people outside of real drumming. Most think of only the big 3 (Bonham, Peart, Moon) but there are many drummers other than them who have just as much skill, influence, and style if not more.

[Alright_Computer]

Buddy Rich, and you're a schmuck if you think otherwise.

Elvin Jones and Billy Cobham > Buddy Rich

[Pleiadeez]

Elvin Jones and Billy Cobham > Buddy Rich

I looked up those drummers (I didn't know them, obviously) and they are really good. I really like their styles, and I really like Cobham's ability to play lead with his right or left.

TY

[Ultimatum]

Elvin Jones and Billy Cobham > Buddy Rich

Yeah, but if we're going by relatively the same era, I'd say Papa Jo Jones>BR. Jo Jones had way better solos, they were more melodic instead of just being a speed king.

[Alright_Computer]

I looked up those drummers (I didn't know them, obviously) and they are really good. I really like their styles, and I really like Cobham's ability to play lead with his right or left.

TY

No problem. They're definitely both great drummers, no doubt about that. I've always preferred jazz drumming to any other genre's drumming anyway, especially because of the skill and technicality most of the drummers show without really divulging into wankery.


Yeah, but if we're going by relatively the same era, I'd say Papa Jo Jones>BR. Jo Jones had way better solos, they were more melodic instead of just being a speed king.

Yeah, I've always thought that Buddy Rich's solos were a bit boring and overrated, in my opinion.

[Pleiadeez]

No problem. They're definitely both great drummers, no doubt about that. I've always preferred jazz drumming to any other genre's drumming anyway, especially because of the skill and technicality most of the drummers show without really divulging into wankery.



Yeah, I've always thought that Buddy Rich's solos were a bit boring and overrated, in my opinion.

I'm beginning to get into Jazz Drumming myself. I started off wanting to just destroy a drumset, but now, my styles have changed, and the more smooth styles, like Jazz and Reggae, have really influenced what I listen to now.

[ryan12147]

Gonna let this thing die now or what?

[instantdeath999]

I hear Jesus could rock the drums.

[a21schizoidman]

I hear Jesus could rock the drums.

Zoidberg?

[Lithuanian_Boy]

Buddy Rich, and you're a schmuck if you think otherwise.

Thank-you, I only voted Peart because Buddy wasn't on here. Peart however is the best drummer alive today.

[camero1970]

Sean Kinney from Alice In Chains.

[MrFruitLord]

Sean Kinney from Alice In Chains.

No.

[CommonCriminal]

Patrick Wilson or Phil Rudd. /joke

[Ultimatum]

Thank-you, I only voted Peart because Buddy wasn't on here. Peart however is the best drummer alive today.

There are drummers out there that are way better than Peart.

[timmay9]

I hear Jesus could rock the drums.

Woodblock=/=Drums (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=30_Seconds_to_Mars&oldid=293018632)


And Bill Ward.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

I really don't know why people like Keith Moon so much. He was a fantastic drummer, but most of his drum beats were all over the place. He wasn't orderly or technical (or so it seems) at all, that's maybe why I don't like him that much.

[Runesmith]

I really don't know why people like Keith Moon so much. He was a fantastic drummer, but most of his drum beats were all over the place. He wasn't orderly or technical (or so it seems) at all, that's maybe why I don't like him that much.

That's why I like him so much.

[keith54]

I would have to say Lars Ulrich of Metallica. Incredible power !

[Evilbottom]

I would have to say Lars Ulrich of Metallica. Incredible power !

Nearly all his drum beats are incredibly basic and unimaginative.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

That's why I like him so much.

Well to each his/her own, I really like Neil Peart and Portnoy for the opposite reasons.

[MrFruitLord]

I would have to say Lars Ulrich of Metallica. Incredible power !

I'd say he's the worst drummer in Mainstream Thrash. Maybe Thrash in general.

[Tank9088]

I'd say he's the worst drummer in Mainstream Thrash. Maybe Thrash in general.

No, there's probably some thrash band somewhere that has a worse drummer. I agree on being the worst in Mainstream Thrash though.

[Ultimatum]

No, there's probably some thrash band somewhere that has a worse drummer. I agree on being the worst in Mainstream Thrash though.

That band also just happens to be a Metallica worship band :p

[DrewLee865]

That poll sucks. Taylor Hawkins? Matt Cameron? lol.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

There are drummers out there that are way better than Peart.

Sorry, not the best ever, but he's probably one of the best rock drummers.

[masterantonio]

Mike Portnoy, but it's all opinion anyway.

[Rocket2Russia]

I don't think there is a "best" drummer, but I definitely think that some of the most precise/powerful/etc. besides those listed are Ringo Starr and John Bonham.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

I don't think there is a "best" drummer, but I definitely think that some of the most precise/powerful/etc. besides those listed are Ringo Starr and John Bonham.

Travis B u nub he is obvioslee teh bestdrumer 2ever exst!!!1!1!!!.

[Mega-Tallica]

Dennis Chambers, Thomas Lang, Tony Royster Jr, Mike Portnoy, and Mark Zonder are the best IMO.

[a21schizoidman]

Sorry, not the best ever, but he's probably one of the best rock drummers.

no, no he's not

[Ultimatum]

Dennis Chambers, Thomas Lang, Tony Royster Jr, Mike Portnoy, and Mark Zonder are the best IMO.

Has a severe lack of Morgan Agren.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

no, no he's not

Who would you say is the best rock drummer then?

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

I'd have to say Keith Moon. His energy, stage presence, and technique (or lack thereof) create an unforgettable listening experience.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

I'd have to say Keith Moon. His energy, stage presence, and technique (or lack thereof) create an unforgettable listening experience.

That doesn't make him the best, he's a good drummer no doubt but the fact that he has very little technique takes him off the list for me. And I'm talking skill wise, not just how good someone sounds.

[Ultimatum]

How does that make any sense? If a drummer sounds good, then that drummer is a good drummer and is skilled to a certain degree.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

How does that make any sense? If a drummer sounds good, then that drummer is a good drummer and is skilled to a certain degree.

I meant his stage presence. And I know Moon was skilled, but it's just that he wasn't that technical (or so it appears) and I prefer drummers who are very technical (Peart, Portnoy, Thomas Lang).

[tridentgum0]

Who would you say is the best rock drummer then?

Answer: Whoever the hell you want it to be.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

Answer: Whoever the hell you want it to be.

There's the right answer :). Therefore to me, Peart is the best rock drummer.
Also: I still want to know who Schizoidman thinks is the best rock drummer.

[tridentgum0]

There's the right answer :). Therefore to me, Peart is the best rock drummer.
Also: I still want to know who Schizoidman thinks is the best rock drummer.

I'm pretty sure he'll say Carl Palmer.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

That doesn't make him the best, he's a good drummer no doubt but the fact that he has very little technique takes him off the list for me. And I'm talking skill wise, not just how good someone sounds.

How technical a drummer is means nothing to me. And Moon still had a lot of skill, but emotionless and technical prog wasn't really his thing.

[a21schizoidman]

Who would you say is the best rock drummer then?

there is no "best" drummer, i have my favorites (Carl Palmer, Don Brewer, Billy Cobham, Terry Bozzio, Steve Flynn, Ian Paice, Michael Giles, Bill Bruford, Frank Beard, Bun E. Carlos, Mick Fleetwood, and numerous others than i have listed around here somewhere) but Neil Peart is nowhere near the status of some other drummers out there, most notably Steve Flynn, CP, and Mark Zonder, and that's not even touching jazz drummers.

[franticfish]

I think if there was such a thing as the "best" drummer ever it would probably be Elvin Jones. Steve Flyn though, is my favourite. Mixing Billy Cobham with Dave Lombardo is win :D

[a21schizoidman]

I think if there was such a thing as the "best" drummer ever it would probably be Elvin Jones. Steve Flyn though, is my favourite. Mixing Billy Cobham with Dave Lombardo is win :D

Elvin Jones is amazing, but i still like Krupa slightly better.... (please don't hurt me)

[Ultimatum]

Papa Jo Jones>Krupa

[Lithuanian_Boy]

How technical a drummer is means nothing to me. And Moon still had a lot of skill, but emotionless and technical prog wasn't really his thing.

To each his own right? I mean, it's not just how technical a drummer is, but how they put it together to create nice flowing beats and the energy they emit with those beats. A drummer can be very technical but their music won't feel energetic. That's the reason I don't like Terry Bozzio, talented drummer but he has no feel and his solo's are boring. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3jAK3r9vLc)
Also I'm not just talking about prog, John Bohnam was very technical but he still put a lot of emotion into his songs. Too much of one isn't good, but I like a mix of both.

[Ultimatum]

Bozzio has ass-loads of feel. Have you ever watched him play? He's moving constantly with his own time. If you think he can't groove, you obviously have never heard his Missing Persons and Frank Zappa material.

Bonham wasn't very technical at all...

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

To each his own right? I mean, it's not just how technical a drummer is, but how they put it together to create nice flowing beats and the energy they emit with those beats. A drummer can be very technical but their music won't feel energetic. That's the reason I don't like Terry Bozzio, talented drummer but he has no feel and his solo's are boring. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3jAK3r9vLc)
Also I'm not just talking about prog, John Bohnam was very technical but he still put a lot of emotion into his songs. Too much of one isn't good, but I like a mix of both.
everyone's listening experience gives way to different tastes. I suppose it's because I grew up listening to Deep Purple and The Who on classic rock radio. Bonham wasn't very technical, but he certainly made up for that in power.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

Bozzio has ass-loads of feel. Have you ever watched him play? He's moving constantly with his own time. If you think he can't groove, you obviously have never heard his Missing Persons and Frank Zappa material.

Bonham wasn't very technical at all...

I haven't really listened to a lot of Zappa, so I don't know much about that. I've only seen his solos, they're very technical and I'm sure the man can groove. I just find his solo's boring as hell, I've watched some of his clinic videos and drum solo videos and I don't like them at all.

[LaLimonada]

My personal favorite is Mitch Mitchell.

I mean, how can you not like a guy named Mitch Mitchell?

[tridentgum0]

My personal favorite is Mitch Mitchell.

I mean, how can you not like a guy named Mitch Mitchell?

*points to avatar*

Mitch is one underrated sonbich, that's for sure.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

My personal favorite is Mitch Mitchell.

I mean, how can you not like a guy named Mitch Mitchell?

Mitch Mitchell... The man with two first names.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

I haven't really listened to a lot of Zappa, so I don't know much about that. I've only seen his solos, they're very technical and I'm sure the man can groove. I just find his solo's boring as hell, I've watched some of his clinic videos and drum solo videos and I don't like them at all.

you are going to get flamed like hell for this post, haha. Have you listened to the Hot Rats album? It's the only one of his that I actually own but I enjoy it quite a bit.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

you are going to get flamed like hell for this post, haha. Have you listened to the Hot Rats album? It's the only one of his that I actually own but I enjoy it quite a bit.

Honestly I've been wanting to get into Zappa, but I'm not sure what albums to get (considering he has like 50). Maybe you guys could help me out? I mean, I've heard some good songs like; Dancing Fool, My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Mama, Bobby Brown Goes Down (greatest song ever btw).

[tridentgum0]

Heh, Julio, I confessed not being big on Zappa earlier and I'm still alive.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Honestly I've been wanting to get into Zappa, but I'm not sure what albums to get (considering he has like 50). Maybe you guys could help me out?

Hot Rats is a great start, since his voice never appears in it. :p I never liked Zappa's singing, personally. And it has some really awesome tracks like Peaches En Regalia, Willie the Pimp and Son of Mr. Green Genes. The other tracks are kind of weird but have that quirky Zappa charm.


Heh, Julio, I confessed not being big on Zappa earlier and I'm still alive.

I used to actively dislike Zappa until I really jumped in and gave him a try.

[vertrothe]

I voted for Cameron... actually figured on him before I saw the choices available in the poll. I was going to post some snotty remark, lamenting how far back he is in the polls, and then I looked at the other drummers he's up against, and I can't trash any of them (plus the numerous other drummers others have mentioned already. It's really tough to pick just one, but Cameron stands out for me - even against such uber-drummers as Peart and Moon (and Bonham and Grohl).

[MrFruitLord]

Heh, Julio, I confessed not being big on Zappa earlier and I'm still alive.

But you're dead on the inside.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

But you're dead on the inside.

And it begins... (haha, this made me laugh).

Hey my name is Bobby Brown...

[vertrothe]

Honestly I've been wanting to get into Zappa, but I'm not sure what albums to get (considering he has like 50). Maybe you guys could help me out?

The first Zappa album I was ever exposed to was Joe's Garage - and it remains a fixture in my collection.

Not only is it a *great* album, it's also historically important, coming as a reply to the senate hearings into profanity in rock music. Zappa was one of very few artists to come out against censorship - against their labels' wishes. Include here Dee Snider of Twisted Sister, the Dead Kennedys (well, Jello Biafra) and, for some reason, John Denver. Much respect to these guys for standing up for music.

I digress. Zappa's involvement in these farcical hearings are part of what inspired him to write this album about 'the evils and danger of rock music'. It's great.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

everyone's listening experience gives way to different tastes. I suppose it's because I grew up listening to Deep Purple and The Who on classic rock radio. Bonham wasn't very technical, but he certainly made up for that in power.

Well I guess you could say that. Zeppelin, The Who, and Rush were the first bands I was really into. And you're damn right Bonham had power (Immigrant song ftw). What makes me really like Bonham are his heel-toe grooves (Good Times Bad Times, Achilles Last Stand), he was what inspired me to learn heel-toe.

[timmay9]

The first Zappa album I was ever exposed to was Joe's Garage - and it remains a fixture in my collection.

Not only is it a *great* album, it's also historically important, coming as a reply to the senate hearings into profanity in rock music. Zappa was one of very few artists to come out against censorship - against their labels' wishes. Include here Dee Snider of Twisted Sister, the Dead Kennedys (well, Jello Biafra) and, for some reason, John Denver. Much respect to these guys for standing up for music.

I digress. Zappa's involvement in these farcical hearings are part of what inspired him to write this album about 'the evils and danger of rock music'. It's great.

Uh....what?

[Ultimatum]

The first Zappa album I was ever exposed to was Joe's Garage - and it remains a fixture in my collection.

Not only is it a *great* album, it's also historically important, coming as a reply to the senate hearings into profanity in rock music. Zappa was one of very few artists to come out against censorship - against their labels' wishes. Include here Dee Snider of Twisted Sister, the Dead Kennedys (well, Jello Biafra) and, for some reason, John Denver. Much respect to these guys for standing up for music.

I digress. Zappa's involvement in these farcical hearings are part of what inspired him to write this album about 'the evils and danger of rock music'. It's great.

Joe's Garage is about if music didn't exist. The album came out in 79 and the Senate shenanigans didn't happen until the 80s. The album you're thinking of is Frank Zappa Meets The Mothers of Prevention.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

The first Zappa album I was ever exposed to was Joe's Garage - and it remains a fixture in my collection.

Not only is it a *great* album, it's also historically important, coming as a reply to the senate hearings into profanity in rock music. Zappa was one of very few artists to come out against censorship - against their labels' wishes. Include here Dee Snider of Twisted Sister, the Dead Kennedys (well, Jello Biafra) and, for some reason, John Denver. Much respect to these guys for standing up for music.

I digress. Zappa's involvement in these farcical hearings are part of what inspired him to write this album about 'the evils and danger of rock music'. It's great.

And according to Dee Snider, Tipper Gore is a Sado-Masochist. There's a little tidbit for you HoR :D (Go Dee!).

[vertrothe]

Joe's Garage is about if music didn't exist. The album came out in 79 and the Senate shenanigans didn't happen until the 80s. The album you're thinking of is Frank Zappa Meets The Mothers of Prevention.

D'oh!

You're right! I'm getting them mixed up in my mind because of how they were introduced to me. Still, out of the two, I prefer Joe's Garage musically.

Apparently I need to re-read my Encyclopedia Zappica.

[vertrothe]

Uh....what?

The hearings I was referring to were the melodrama and hysteria in the 1980s stirred up by people like Tipper Gore and the PMRC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PMRC). It's interesting stuff, if you've never heard of it.

You can hear a much more entertaining treatment of it by finding and listening to Jello Biafra's "High Priest of Harmful Matter" spoken word album.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

D'oh!

You're right! I'm getting them mixed up in my mind because of how they were introduced to me. Still, out of the two, I prefer Joe's Garage musically.

Apparently I need to re-read my Encyclopedia Zappica.

Considering he had like 90 albums (like half Post-Mortem), and that he was such a big contributor the advancement of modern music, that wouldn't surprise me if it existed.

[vertrothe]

I've gotten off-topic of 'World's Greatest Drummer'. And for that, I apologize.

Matt Cameron rules.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

I've gotten off-topic of 'World's Greatest Drummer'. And for that, I apologize.

Matt Cameron rules.

lol, it's ok, these threads are tiring.


Uh....what?


The hearings I was referring to were the melodrama and hysteria in the 1980s stirred up by people like Tipper Gore and the PMRC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PMRC). It's interesting stuff, if you've never heard of it.

You can hear a much more entertaining treatment of it by finding and listening to Jello Biafra's "High Priest of Harmful Matter" spoken word album.

You ever wonder where these (http://imagecache5.art.com/p/LRG/19/1922/GWT9D00Z/parental-advisory--explicit-lyrics.jpg) come from? Thank the PMRC as Vertrothe mentioned earlier. There was this whole thing in the 80s where a bunch on mothers got together (led by Tipper Gore, Al Gore's wife if you're wondering) and started blaming music for a bunch of problems in the America (teen suicide, occultism, murder) and tried to censor music. They put this list together called The Filthy Fifteen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filthy_Fifteen#Actions), and those were considered the worst songs, lyrically, at the time.

If you ever watch the movie Metal: A Headbanger's Journey, there's a little bit on this topic in there. It's also a really good movie.

[timmay9]

The hearings I was referring to were the melodrama and hysteria in the 1980s stirred up by people like Tipper Gore and the PMRC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PMRC). It's interesting stuff, if you've never heard of it.

You can hear a much more entertaining treatment of it by finding and listening to Jello Biafra's "High Priest of Harmful Matter" spoken word album.

I was saying that to the Joe's Garage thing. I know all about the hearings. I have all of the Zappa testimony videos favorited on youtube.

Edit: Also, trying to inform me about something on Zappa. Exhibit 1. (http://www.last.fm/user/timmay99/library/music/Frank+Zappa?sortOrder=desc&sortBy=plays)

[packerfan8675309]

Taylor Hawkins? You could argue that he isnt even the best drummer in that band.

[timmay9]

Taylor Hawkins? You could argue that he isnt even the best drummer in that band.

Argue? It's obvious he's not.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

Taylor Hawkins? You could argue that he isnt even the best drummer in that band.

Grohl is good, but I think Hawkins is better. I prefer Hawkins as a drummer anyways.

[jamie30jamer]

Vinny Appice, John Bonham, Mike Portnoy, Chris Alder just a few picks

[DethTung]

Needs more Grohl.

/previously said statements

[Lithuanian_Boy]

Needs more Grohl.

/previously said statements

Grohl doesn't rank up against a lot of drummers out there, he's good, but he's not amazing or not even close to the best.

[Ultimatum]

Do you have a death wish?

His right foot is nearly unmatched.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

Do you have a death wish?

His right foot is nearly unmatched.

So was Bonhams, he was the heel-toe master, I love the galloping parts on "Good Times Bad Times." He was what inspired me to learn heel-toe.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

And he's, you know. Dave ****ing Grohl.

[Lithuanian_Boy]

And he's, you know. Dave ****ing Grohl.

Well, you do have a point. The Foo Fighters need to make their way over here to Toronto when they get back.

[Ultimatum]

So was Bonhams, he was the heel-toe master, I love the galloping parts on "Good Times Bad Times." He was what inspired me to learn heel-toe.

I'm pretty sure Bonham didn't use heel-toe. I don't use heel-toe and I can still hit those, I slide naturally, not because I learned how to do it.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Dave Grohl as solely a drummer I can understand not being in the upper echelon of drummers (though I think he belongs there). Dave Grohl as a musician? Near the top of the upper echelon easily. That's what makes him so great.