PS3 Controller Compatibility Routine Patch

[hmxsean]

Hey everybody,

Good news, see below-


Available today is a routine update for the PLAYSTATION 3 version of
Rock Band that addresses a number of items related to guitar controller
compatibility. Should Rock Band owners choose to obtain the update, they
will need broadband internet access connected to their PLAYSTATION 3.
The update will be downloaded once the game is started.


Enjoy,
Sean


UPDATE-

Patch not up yet. Will follow up with more info when I have it.

[Titans9]

Thanks sean hopefully the guitars work now!!!

[dwwoods13681]

I just turned Rock Band off and was not asked to update. Has anyone been able to download this patch yet?

[TheWolf619]

Thanks, Sean!! I'll check it out when I get home from work.

[steelcurtain187]

Damn, I was just playing earlier and it didn't come up for me. I hope it does soon!

[mgiusto]

what guitars is this fixing? Will guitar hero 3 guitars now work with Rock Band?

[steelcurtain187]

what guitars is this fixing? Will guitar hero 3 guitars now work with Rock Band?

We could only hope :eek:

[madrush]

as of 8:53PM eastern i still wasn't prompted for the update...

[Titans9]

as of 8:53PM eastern i still wasn't prompted for the update...

yeah man me too... i can't wait anymore!

[Everman]

Holy Heck! I can't wait...

[AVC808]

what the heck is a 'routine' patch :)

[MetalliCHAD]

Anyone get this to work yet?? Be sure to post when you do. I'd be curious to know if it allows the PS3 guitar to work and then also to know if it allows GH1 & 2 guitars to work with the Pelican adapter.

[botnic]

Um... Is this for real? 7:54 pm and no update. Nor hint of anything that could resemble an update.

Edit: On second thought, the time values on the posts are off (it's definitely not in the AM range). So maybe there is still time to see it happen tonight...

[Magnet]

It's not available as of now, but I can't wait to see what comes of this when it's up!

[TheDoc46]

Hey everybody,

Good news, see below (this patch should be available quite soon, maybe even up now as of this posting)-


Available today is a routine update for the PLAYSTATION 3 version of
Rock Band that addresses a number of items related to guitar controller
compatibility. Should Rock Band owners choose to obtain the update, they
will need broadband internet access connected to their PLAYSTATION 3.
The update will be downloaded once the game is started.


Enjoy,
Sean

may i know where this source came from?

[Darkfire6247]

His name is HMXsean. So i'd assume that it is from a guy named Sean that works at Harmonix. So he is the source. I'd say this is the real deal, and that compatiblity is finally happening.

[jrogers]

may i know where this source came from?

It came from Harmonix Sean and can be found in the announcement part of the forums. It is very real, but everyone is still waiting for the patch.

[botnic]

If you go back and look at all the new threads, you'll notice that HMXsean is the author of several of them. He has made several announcements that are official in nature, and is truly from HMX. In other words, don't worry, this message should be legit.

[5150]

Available today is a routine update for the PLAYSTATION 3 version of
Rock Band that addresses a number of items related to guitar controller
compatibility. Should Rock Band owners choose to obtain the update, they
will need broadband internet access connected to their PLAYSTATION 3.
The update will be downloaded once the game is started.

You Sure???:mad:

[Gryffindor]

Before I run off and buy GH3 for my PS3 (I currently have it for the Wii), I need to know whether or not this patch will allow for the Les Paul's to work with RB.

The "routine update" message is a little vague. Could someone please be a little more specific?????? PLEASE??????

[jq715861]

You Sure???:mad:

HMXSean is a representative of Harmonix. Hence the HMX short for Harmonix.

He doesn't post anything unless he is completely sure about it.

[jrogers]

You Sure???:mad:

Yes...... we are sure man. The only people who have access to post announcements are people from Harmonix. Please relax okay. The patch will be upon us soon enough.

[Everman]

Can't ... believe ... it ... isn't ... out ... yet ...

(best Cap'n Kirk impression)

[botnic]

Yes...... we are sure man. The only people who have access to post announcements are people from Harmonix. Please relax okay. The patch will be upon us soon enough.

You have to admit, however, that this is borderline cruel. I, for one, and sitting here constantly booting up, quiting, and re-booting my game. The anticipation is killing me!
Even if it comes a week from now, though, as long as it comes I will be a happy man.

[deediare]

You have to admit, however, that this is borderline cruel. I, for one, and sitting here constantly booting up, quiting, and re-booting my game. The anticipation is killing me!
Even if it comes a week from now, though, as long as it comes I will be a happy man.

I know how you feel completely, as I'm doing the exact same thing....

[eVan_Diesel]

Ooo! I am eagerly awaiting this patch! I'll be checking for it first thing tomorrow morning!!!!

[Ghengiscahn]

I want to know if the GH 1 and 2 Controllers will work. If anyone has any success with GH 1 and 2 controllers let me know...

[eVan_Diesel]

I want to know if the GH 1 and 2 Controllers will work. If anyone has any success with GH 1 and 2 controllers let me know...

Since there is no where to plug them into the PS3, and the adapters are pretty much worthless, I'm gonna say no.

[jq715861]

Since there is no where to plug them into the PS3, I'm gonna say no.

Well they have an adapter with a USB on the end that allows you to play GH 1 and 2 on the PS3. There is a Radio Shack one, and the Pelican adapter.

But to the poster with the question, as of right now, no the GH 1 and 2 guitars don't work with the adapter.

[eVan_Diesel]

Well they have an adapter with a USB on the end that allows you to play GH 1 and 2 on the PS3. There is a Radio Shack one, and the Pelican adapter.

Yee but even the most reliable adapter does not let you do essential things in the game like hammer-ons and pull-offs, you might as well not even bother.

[drno830]

the guitar worked perfectly with GH 1, even hammers and pulls.

Hopefully the design is similar to GH I not GH II, and then the pelican might work with rock band

[rocdabloc]

IM SO EXCITED!!!!!I'VE BEEN CHECKING EVERY 5 MINUTES!!:confused:

[Gryffindor]

Update, update, update! Please!!!!!:D:D:D

[eVan_Diesel]

the guitar worked perfectly with GH 1, even hammers and pulls.

Hopefully the design is similar to GH I not GH II, and then the pelican might work with rock band

Hey, I'm all for it if it does! I'm just not expecting it too...

P.S. I never played GH1, so I didn't know. ;)

[vash56]

I wonder what "routine patch" means

[botnic]

I wonder what "routine patch" means

My guess is that they are just using more positive language rather than saying "oops, we screwed up, but here is our fix of our mistake".

[jq715861]

Yee but even the most reliable adapter does not let you do essential things in the game like hammer-ons and pull-offs, you might as well not even bother.

HO's and PO's were basically non-existent in GH 1. They were so unforgiving.

[TreoRock_]

Routines are like code modules that perform an action. For example I'm guessing that for the PS3 GH3 guitar once it is connected to the PS3, the system will be avaible to identify the guitar using the routine patch and performe the same routines that the Rock Band guitar does throught this patch.

[TreoRock_]

So, it is not that HMX is saying Oops through this patch. It was just that they never developed code to enable the Guitar Hero guitars.

[quaan]

just downloaded the patch
GH3 for PS3 does NOT WORK GOD DAMN IT

[botnic]

just downloaded the patch
GH3 for PS3 does NOT WORK GOD DAMN IT

You sure? I just booted up my game and I didn't get any patch or update of any kind.

[Everman]

Mine doesn't pick it up yet... no update yet as far as I can tell...

[drno830]

No patch here either.

[cg5686]

just downloaded the patch
GH3 for PS3 does NOT WORK GOD DAMN IT

Did you just buy the game and/or just connect it to the internet? There was a patch for the game when it first came out, that as you mentioned, doesn't add support for the PS3 Les Paul. In which case, you haven't downloaded the "new" patch yet (as it has yet to be released).

[Everman]

Did you just buy the game and/or just connect it to the internet? There was a patch for the game when it first came out, that as you mentioned, doesn't add support for the PS3 Les Paul. In which case, you haven't downloaded the "new" patch yet (as it has yet to be released).

Yeah, a friend and I were just talking about that. We were thinking of forcing the patch system by installing RB on his PS3... he hasn't installed it yet. So seeing if since he had to go through the patch system whether it would just get the new one... but that doesn't make any sense, so I will just keep refreshing.... =(

[TreoRock_]

I'm guessing the patch will be out on Thursday afternoon since that is when PSN gets usually updated.

[Apples]

Don't own a PS3, but only good things can come of hardware interoperability.

Hopefully this will put to sleep some criticism threads on the subject. See... they really do listen. :cool:

[vash56]

oh i see, i was thinking routine like they were regularly going to be doing patches, wasn't thinking about routine like the process the code goes through, thanks

[botnic]

I'm guessing the patch will be out on Thursday afternoon since that is when PSN gets usually updated.

This is true, but there have also been other smaller items that have been added between the big updates. Besides, Sean said it would come out today!

[eVan_Diesel]

Hopefully this will put to sleep some criticism threads on the subject. See... they really do listen. :cool:

Oh, it certainly will. And yes, that's a very good thing....

[TuRDMaN]

Isn't tuesday the XBOX Live update day? Maybe he got confused....

[jq715861]

Isn't tuesday the XBOX Live update day? Maybe he got confused....

It could have been that big dashboard update today.

[hmxsean]

This is true, but there have also been other smaller items that have been added between the big updates. Besides, Sean said it would come out today!

I was told it would go live today. If it doesn't go live today I imagine it will go live soon as there is a patch and it has passed all sorts of certification. It exists, is what I am trying to say.

[eVan_Diesel]

It could have been that big dashboard update today.

So XBOX's dashboard update somehow involves PS3's Controller Compatibility? Check the title of this thread....

[Nate Finch]

So XBOX's dashboard update somehow involves PS3's Controller Compatibility? Check the title of this thread....

The two are unrelated. Rock Band updates on its own, independent of the store updates for the two platforms.

[Everman]

I was told it would go live today. If it doesn't go live today I imagine it will go live soon as there is a patch and it has passed all sorts of certification. It exists, is what I am trying to say.

Good enough for me

*refresh*
*refresh*
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[eVan_Diesel]

I was told it would go live today. If it doesn't go live today I imagine it will go live soon as there is a patch and it has passed all sorts of certification. It exists, is what I am trying to say.

So...what exactly will this patch do again?

[Nate Finch]

So...what exactly will this patch do again?

Make the Guitar Hero 3 Les Paul guitars compatible with Rock Band.

They can't say that much, but that's the only thing controller compatibility would mean.

[jq715861]

So XBOX's dashboard update somehow involves PS3's Controller Compatibility? Check the title of this thread....

Dude, give me a break. It's just about midnight. I don't have complete brain functionality.

[eVan_Diesel]

Dude, give me a break. It's just about midnight. I don't have complete brain functionality.

Heh. I hear ya.

[TuRDMaN]

I was told it would go live today. If it doesn't go live today I imagine it will go live soon as there is a patch and it has passed all sorts of certification. It exists, is what I am trying to say.
Thanks for the clarification, we're all waitng eagerly to see what goodies this patch will bring :D

[eVan_Diesel]

Make the Guitar Hero 3 Les Paul guitars compatible with Rock Band.

They can't say that much, but that's the only thing controller compatibility would mean.

Yea, that's what we are all assuming, but it would be nice to get some solid confirmation.

[botnic]

What if this is some prank on Sean? To get all of us screaming and swearing at him?
In a kind of sick and twisted way I think that would be funny...
Nah, I'm sure it will come out soon!

[Magnet]

I was told it would go live today. If it doesn't go live today I imagine it will go live soon as there is a patch and it has passed all sorts of certification. It exists, is what I am trying to say.

Today....Eastern time? Pacific time? Or some kind of weird Scandinavian time zone that lends itself to a 112-hour gap? Some of us are very anxious for this, sorry!

[quaan]

downloaded installed
gh3 guitar still not working on ps3

[js1551]

its not even up yet. you installed a different patch

[botnic]

downloaded installed
gh3 guitar still not working on ps3

Sorry dude. Until someone else confirms this, can't believe you.

[Weeksy]

downloaded installed
gh3 guitar still not working on ps3

Honestly brother - the game isn't even out in Australia yet, and even I know the patch isn't live yet - judging from your posts, you're either hoping to start some bull**** on the forums, or as other people have said, you've downloaded the initial patch for the game.

Just relax, have a bit of faith in Sean & the gang with this one, I get the distinct feeling that we PS3 owners are about to have some extremely happy days:D

[SoulScreme]

So, the excuse for not telling us anything was that Harmonix didn't want to speak before things were 100%. It's now midnight on the east coast an no patch. Guess that gives that whole line of though a kick in the pants.

[botnic]

So, the excuse for not telling us anything was that Harmonix didn't want to speak before things were 100%. It's now midnight on the east coast an no patch. Guess that gives that whole line of though a kick in the pants.

Not necessarily. The way I interpreted his statements was that they weren't going to say anything until they knew for sure it was 100% DOABLE. Not ready for download.

[NoDoubtFan87]

I'm guessing the patch will be out on Thursday afternoon since that is when PSN gets usually updated.

That would make sense, considering not much gets updated on any day but thursday. It will be sweet if they do enable Les Paul support in Rock Band though.

[SoulScreme]

Not necessarily. The way I interpreted his statements was that they weren't going to say anything until they knew for sure it was 100% DOABLE. Not ready for download.

No, they said they didn't want to say anything that they might end up not being true. The "Available today" part is definitely not true as it is now tomorrow.

[Gryffindor]

I'm more than a little disappointed. There's nothing worse than being teased.

Could we please have a bit more specific information such as:
1. When will the patch be released?
2. Will the RO Les Paul from GH III work when the patch is implemented?
3. Are any other updates/changes being included in the patch (such as the much requested fan cap removal?)

[TuRDMaN]

Well, he said it's completed and ready to go, so I guess they're just waiting for someone to shoot it down the interweb tubes. And the only thing Sean mentioned about the patch was controller compatibility. So I guess we just have to wait and see (no point in hassling the HMX guys until we know what the patch does).

[SoulScreme]

I'm more than a little disappointed. There's nothing worse than being teased.

Could we please have a bit more specific information such as:
1. When will the patch be released?
2. Will the RO Les Paul from GH III work when the patch is implemented?
3. Are any other updates/changes being included in the patch (such as the much requested fan cap removal?)

Number 3 is almost certainly now since this patch seems to only be for PS3.

[DesiredFX]

3. Are any other updates/changes being included in the patch (such as the much requested fan cap removal?)

*sigh*

There hasn't been the slightest hint from Harmonix that they're doing anything about the fan cap, despite all the arguments and requests.

[Everman]

Dang

We are running out of time in Mountain...

[razalom]

Here I am ready to run over the road and crab a couple of LP from GH3! Patch it please!!

[drno830]

Dang

We are running out of time in Mountain...

Mountain Time Zone Still has an hour.

[Everman]

Mountain Time Zone Still has an hour.

I know, I live here.

(?)

[drno830]

That is hardly running out of time. I doubt it will come out tonight though, unless Sony Japan is the one releasing the patch. That would make no sense though

[espher]

So, the excuse for not telling us anything was that Harmonix didn't want to speak before things were 100%. It's now midnight on the east coast an no patch. Guess that gives that whole line of though a kick in the pants.

Jesus Christ, do you do anything but complain?

I've heard of 'Entitlement Whores', but you really take the cake, kid.

[Quastor]

No, they said they didn't want to say anything that they might end up not being true. The "Available today" part is definitely not true as it is now tomorrow.

Just never satisfied, are you? Give you ice water, and you ***** that there aren't enough ice cubes nor is it cold enough.

Quit claiming to be a victim, get over yourself, and be happy that Harmonix has informed you that a patch to fix some of the PS3 issues is on its way.

[sa_nick]

Hell yes! If this patch does indeed make the LP compatible with RB im gonna be set.

Im importing the game to Australia, knowing that I can use the LP is my strat breaks is a huge plus.

Also, a big lol to the ppl saying we cant trust this hmxsean guy.

[SoulScreme]

Just never satisfied, are you? Give you ice water, and you ***** that there aren't enough ice cubes nor is it cold enough.

Quit claiming to be a victim, get over yourself, and be happy that Harmonix has informed you that a patch to fix some of the PS3 issues is on its way.

Dude, I'm super stoked, I just found it ironic/amusing is all. Sorry if I don't bow down before the almighty Harmonix like some folks. Yes, I'm very happy that this patch should be coming. I also find it silly to say you won't make statements until 100% sure of their accuracy and use that as a reason to not communicate with your user base, but then make an inaccurate statement. I'm not trashing them and wasn't complaining, simply pointing out an amusing inconsistency. Here, I'll revise my post:

"Thank you so much Harmonix. I am so unbelievably stoked that you've decided to patch in what was supposed to be day one functionality. I know you said it was coming today, but I quite like to wait for things. Can I send more money, I feel like $170 + DLC wasn't enough."

Better?

[Everman]

That is hardly running out of time. I doubt it will come out tonight though, unless Sony Japan is the one releasing the patch. That would make no sense though

Wow, sorry.... when should I post that comment? What would work for you? Let me know what _you_ consider to be a good time, and I will try to accommodate you. :confused:

"Getting close". That is what I should have said. Or "approaching"... maybe that works better.

[botnic]

I think some people are starting to get awfully cranky... There will be bloodshed soon, if no patch comes...

[razalom]

I think some people are starting to get awfully cranky... There will be bloodshed soon, if no patch comes...

What he said :D

I have the game imported (in Australia) so cant wait for the LP fix (if it really is in there).

[SoulScreme]

I think some people are starting to get awfully cranky... There will be bloodshed soon, if no patch comes...

Nah, I don't think so. Most intelligent people new it would take a bit of time. I think there will be more bloodshed if Harmonix doesn't get their lines of communication cleaned out.

[MF-PO'd]

Well, this is all very exciting! My PS3 standalone coaster game may have some life soon.

Come on, Harmonix... there's DLC money waiting for you if you get this game working for me. :D

[Gryffindor]

You know it figues; Now that they're releasing a patch we can't seem to find the PS3 GH3 bundle anywhere. Grrrrrrr.

[TuRDMaN]

Maybe you'll be able to find one by time this patch shows up ;)
*ducks to avoid the spewing flames*

[Tendoza]

*spews flames*

DAMMIT!

[KeithSkins]

Nah, I don't think so. Most intelligent people new it would take a bit of time. I think there will be more bloodshed if Harmonix doesn't get their lines of communication cleaned out.

I think you need to get some perspective, man. I've seen few game developers this communicative post product release, let alone one with this complex of a title.

[JB4GDI]

*sigh*

There hasn't been the slightest hint from Harmonix that they're doing anything about the fan cap, despite all the arguments and requests.

This probably sounds mean, but I almost wish they made every band that's got a person playing below expert only gain like 10 or 20 fans a show. Then you all wouldn't have to worry about this fan cap "problem."

In other news, I'm kinda hoping that GH2 will work with the Strat. I've played on the PS3 guitar, and the wireless lag is absolutely unbearable. Either thing though would be really awesome.

-Jaime

[botnic]

I have reached the end of my limit. I can wait no longer. At this point, I say Adieu, and only have the staggered sleep and nightmares of a non-working patch to pass away the night. Good luck to those who are yet awaiting anxiously.

[SoulScreme]

I think you need to get some perspective, man. I've seen few game developers this communicative post product release, let alone one with this complex of a title.

I am coming from the perspective of an online, persistant, constantly changing came. If you look at Everquest, Warhawk, World of Warcraft, Counter-Strike, etc. you will see a large amoutn of direct communication between the company an the players. I know that this game is not any of those games, but it has far more in common with those games than it does with GH 3 or Prince of Persia.

Also, not to deride Harmonix, but technologically the game is not that much more complex than any other game. The complex part is designing the peripherals and managing the licensing issues.

[abricko]

They (harmonix) seem to have done more than RO in regards to this compatibility issue. It does seem like RO did some funky stuff with their guitar and maybe because they weren't required to follow any strict standards for the PS3 and maybe also to rush to get their game out in time, who knows. I'm just happy harmonix has acknowledged their is a problem and they are going to try to fix it.

I'll gladly wait whatever time it takes for them to get this magical patch out, obviously sooner the better (I need a bass player).

Also people, lighten up on HMXSean, i'm sure he now regrets *slipping* about *the patch* Translation, he'll probably never be allowed to leak info again until it's 100% approved. And all the complainers can thank themselves for going ballistic!

[Darkfire6247]

Also, not to deride Harmonix, but technologically the game is not that much more complex than any other game. The complex part is designing the peripherals and managing the licensing issues.

If so, then GH3 should work way better than it does. The game feels broken in a lot of the songs where no calibrating can fix the timing issues with the music. Activision did a poor job with some of the songs. Getting all that stuff down in Rock Band with exact timing and putting that also online without issues is a pretty good accomplishment for Harmonix.

[Iddy_Biddy]

*Crosses Fingers* Please let this work! I need a bass.

[SoulScreme]

They (harmonix) seem to have done more than RO in regards to this compatibility issue. It does seem like RO did some funky stuff with their guitar and maybe because they weren't required to follow any strict standards for the PS3 and maybe also to rush to get their game out in time, who knows. I'm just happy harmonix has acknowledged their is a problem and they are going to try to fix it.

I'll gladly wait whatever time it takes for them to get this magical patch out, obviously sooner the better (I need a bass player).

Also people, lighten up on HMXSean, i'm sure he now regrets *slipping* about *the patch* Translation, he'll probably never be allowed to leak info again until it's 100% approved. And all the complainers can thank themselves for going ballistic!

What makes you say that? I mean, you have no clue what either company did or did not do. I mean, I like Harmonix far more than RO, but as a programmer, seeing how the devices interact, it actually seems as if this was more likely the fault of Harmonix. In the end though, who cares whose fault it was, it's getting fixed!

:D

[shortboy]

I'm just glad the problem has been assessed and that we got a patch now...hopefully it's the patch that we've all been waiting for since it didn't spefically say what guitar...

[TreoRock_]

PS3 people let's wait for Thursday AFTERNOON to come. If there is no patch by then I would start demanding dates. Until then let's celebrate HMX is actually listing to us. Now, if HMX could tell us when the Guns and Roses DLC is gonna be available that would be so cool.

[Senkoy]

I just hope this patch includes the GH2 guitar or this patch is inconsequential to me.

[sa_nick]

What he said :D

I have the game imported (in Australia) so cant wait for the LP fix (if it really is in there).

Hey man, just curious, who did you import through? I order from gamestop through barnes and nobel in early-mid october. I still havn't recieved my copy... pretty pissed off bout it.

[Magnet]

There goes today for the pacific time zone. I'd give the "today" 24 hours from when it was posted though. And if that still isn't true, at least until the PSN updates on Thursday. If PS3 RB users have waited this long, another day or two can't hurt too much. Most of the complaints here stem from knowing that there is a patch completely ready to use, but completely inaccessible at the moment, lol. Sometimes knowing can be even worse than not knowing for some people.

[kiralucifel]

I just received my game yesterday. I had to update the game to version 1.01, but I think this a regular update and not the one about guitar compatibility.
Could someone body telling me if 1.01 is the old or the new one, cause if it's new, GH3 guitar doesn't work with rock band still....

[Sharpshoota34]

1.01 is the older update. We're still waiting on the new one.


I, for one, am happy that it's coming so soon. I don't mind the wait as long as when the patch comes, the GH3 guitar actually works.

[imagine]

HOT DAMN - This is really good news considering my GUITAR has still not shipped in 11 DAYS!

[Nate Finch]

So far, my experience with Harmonix and EA has been top notch. Yes, there were hardware problems, but they have a fantastic return policy and are more or less taking exchanges on the word of the consumer.

Now, just two weeks after release, they're releasing an update to fix one of the community's most niggling problems, which involves getting their software to play nice with hardware that was not manufactered for them and to which they almost certainly didn't have the specs.

That's really fantastic turnaround time. I work in software, and I know how hard it can be to get stuff like that out the door. Assuming this goes live in the next few days (and Thursday isn't an issue.... this is a game update not a store update, game updates can happen whenever)... I'll be ecstatic (and I'll change my signature ;)

[560sdl]

You complainers are unbelievable. Can't you see that having 110 posts (mostly *****ing) in a few hours about a good news patch, not delivered according to YOUR expectations, will only make Harmonix LESS inclined to communicate at all? A response such as "Thanks Sean, we are excited and looking forward to it" will go a lot further than, "Crap, today is over in Germany and I have not seen it yet so you are jerks".

You ***** because you don't know if you are heard or what they are working on and then when they communicate that, you ***** if there is ANY detail missing from a statement or announcement. If I were Harmonix, I know exactly how I would handle the next patch.

It is just a game. Go ahead and flame, cause the world is ending due to this delay and you have been violated and robbed and they put a hold on your credit card and your sisters aunt's red drum pad had a problem and they sent her two wrong style guitars in a box that said it was an improved bass pedal.

This game has huge broad appeal, but this forum is becoming intolerable with posts being made as people refresh every 30 seconds waiting for a patch.

I yes I could avoid the *****ing posts, if people would quit disquising them.

[hmxsean]

So as you may have noticed the patch still isn't up and I apologize. We're trying to find out what the holdup is and I'll get back to you when I know. Or better yet the patch will just go up and everyone will be stoked. Sorry abnout the delay.

[Beelzeboss]

believe me all that matters is that we can play with four people until the extra guitars come out thanks for supporting another company's guitar

[Will-san]

Thanks HMXguys

If this works you works you will have saved Christmas!

[Ryder35]

its good that it sounds like it will be fixed.

However it still does not excuse the fact that at least the gh3 guitar should have worked out of the box. thats not RO faults, that the fault of HMX, if its fixed by this week though, it will be a fairly fast turn around, given that the long weekend was in the middle of this.



Wow, now that shows a huge lack of understanding about software and hardware development.... well done!

[cmp1976]

I'm really anxious to find out if this will make the PS2 Guitar Hero Controllers work with RB.

[Nate Finch]

Thanks Sean! No big deal about the delay, these things happen. The fact that you guys stepped up to the plate and got an update done in two weeks (during one of which was thanksgiving).... that's fantastic.

You've definitely saved Christmas, not to mention New Year's, and made the next two months immeasurably more fun.

You guys rock!

[Everman]

So as you may have noticed the patch still isn't up and I apologize. We're trying to find out what the holdup is and I'll get back to you when I know. Or better yet the patch will just go up and everyone will be stoked. Sorry abnout the delay.

Thanks for the communication. We are all really looking forward to it, and appreciate the work required to get it out to us. Even though we seem a bit on edge from impatience, we really do love you guys! :D

[SoulScreme]

Wow, now that shows a huge lack of understanding about software and hardware development.... well done!

While I am stoked for the patch, what is your software development experience and what kind of testing have you done?

You see, I'm a programmer by trade. When the Les Paul did not work, I decided to look into why that was. I did a series of tests and this is what I came up with:

The Les Paul controller functions as would any SIXAXIS or other controller. The fret buttons are simply mapped to the normal controller buttons with the strum being up and down. I'm not sure how the whammy works, but I think it's one of the analog sticks. I also do not know how star powers works, but it is likely one of the tilt axises. This functionality can be seen through out of game testing. In the XMB and in non-GH 3 games, all of the buttons on the Les Paul act as expected. The only way for Red Octane to attempt to block Rock Band from using the controller would be to implement a proprietary input method only read by Guitar Hero. Given that it not only works in the XMB, but in other games, that is not the case.

The crux of the problem seems to be in the fact that Rock Band does not allow the use of the SIXAXIS. Since the Les Paul conforms to the SIXAXIS standard, it is recognized by Rock Band as a SIXAXIS controller. Thus, the software believes that it is there to control the vocalist's menu choices and not act as a guitar. Thus, this seems to have been an oversight by Harmonix and not the fault of Red Octane.

Before spouting off on the forums about how other people don't understand software/hardware development you might want to take some time, as I did, to figure out what is really going on. I did this testing to decide what company I should lodge my complaint with. Barring some unknown circumstance, this was an oversight by Harmonix and had very little to do with Red Octane.

[Nate Finch]

I'm really anxious to find out if this will make the PS2 Guitar Hero Controllers work with RB.

I highly doubt it. They're not even USB controllers. So not only would harmonix have to worry about the hardware in the guitars, they'd have to worry about the hardware in the adapters for the guitars. It's just too many points of failure.

[SoulScreme]

Thanks for the communication. We are all really looking forward to it, and appreciate the work required to get it out to us. Even though we seem a bit on edge from impatience, we really do love you guys! :D

Agreed, I think the fact that people are on these forums constantly, debating issues and raising concerns is proof of the quality of the game. If the game wasn't a AAA title, people would likely just ignore the forums and take it back to the store.

[Nate Finch]

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[FakeNBake]

Sean

If the patch comes today or tomorrow or Friday then we PS3 owners cannot thank you enough for the quick response and addresssing this issue. I will be downloading all of the DLC as soon as this patch fixes my guitar problems. THANKS AGAIN!:D

[quaan]

hey the download pops up when i connect the gh3 guitar
but still not working

[SoulScreme]

hey the download pops up when i connect the gh3 guitar
but still not working

Huh? That makes no sense. Did you also say you already had the Les Paul working? Go away troll.

[Nate Finch]

hey the download pops up when i connect the gh3 guitar
but still not working

Stop trolling! This is the third or fourth time you've posted total and complete nonsense trying to get people pissed at harmonix. The download doesn't pop up when you plug in the guitar, that would be ridiculous. It starts when you first start up the game... and hasn't happened yet.

[scott1891]

Well for me I have 2 guitars so the anticipation is not there for me but I really hope that this latest patch fixes the issue. I think it sucks with all the issues and had them as well..I would feel more comfortable since the guitars are breaking right an left so that I still have my fallback gh3 guitar.

[DoctorWho]

hey the download pops up when i connect the gh3 guitar
but still not working

I hate trolls.

I have my fingers crossed ALL day for this patch, we all need to have full 4 player Rock Band parties for the Christmas season! Hell, we just got our first snow today...

[Ryder35]

While I am stoked for the patch, what is your software development experience and what kind of testing have you done?

You see, I'm a programmer by trade. When the Les Paul did not work, I decided to look into why that was. I did a series of tests and this is what I came up with:

The Les Paul controller functions as would any SIXAXIS or other controller. The fret buttons are simply mapped to the normal controller buttons with the strum being up and down. I'm not sure how the whammy works, but I think it's one of the analog sticks. I also do not know how star powers works, but it is likely one of the tilt axises. This functionality can be seen through out of game testing. In the XMB and in non-GH 3 games, all of the buttons on the Les Paul act as expected. The only way for Red Octane to attempt to block Rock Band from using the controller would be to implement a proprietary input method only read by Guitar Hero. Given that it not only works in the XMB, but in other games, that is not the case.

The crux of the problem seems to be in the fact that Rock Band does not allow the use of the SIXAXIS. Since the Les Paul conforms to the SIXAXIS standard, it is recognized by Rock Band as a SIXAXIS controller. Thus, the software believes that it is there to control the vocalist's menu choices and not act as a guitar. Thus, this seems to have been an oversight by Harmonix and not the fault of Red Octane.

Before spouting off on the forums about how other people don't understand software/hardware development you might want to take some time, as I did, to figure out what is really going on. I did this testing to decide what company I should lodge my complaint with. Barring some unknown circumstance, this was an oversight by Harmonix and had very little to do with Red Octane.


6 years running a software development company enough for you? ;) What I was hinting at was that Harmonix would not have known what standards RO used for the GH3 guitar until too close to release to do anything about it. Therefore they issue a patch after just 2 weeks, including Thanksgiving, which seems reasonable to me. Whose fault it is is irrelevant, what I was saying is that since they did not know how the RO guitar worked they did not have time to fix the problem before release. As a programmer I am sure you know how long fixes, regression testing and duplication take: more than the 2 weeks or so that Harmonix had between the release of RB3 and RockBand.

Out of interest, and I am genuinley curious here, did you establish why the Strat does not work with GH3 and why the Xbox GH3 guitar did work with Rock Band?

[SoulScreme]

6 years running a software development company enough for you? ;) What I was hinting at was that Harmonix would not have known what standards RO used for the GH3 guitar until too close to release to do anything about it. Therefore they issue a patch after just 2 weeks, including Thanksgiving, which seems reasonable to me. Whose fault it is is irrelevant, what I was saying is that since they did not know how the RO guitar worked they did not have time to fix the problem before release. As a programmer I am sure you know how long fixes, regression testing and duplication take: more than the 2 weeks or so that Harmonix had between the release of RB3 and RockBand.

Out of interest, and I am genuinley curious here, did you establish why the Strat does not work with GH3 and why the Xbox GH3 guitar did work with Rock Band?

Oh, yeah, I agree, they were cutting it too close to release. I don't know those two answers, but I have some ideas.

1) Strat does not work with GH3 because it seems to use different button commands. Looks like it could be patched in.

2) Xbox 360 utilizes the game "game controller" input scheme that windows does, they restrict their devs a lot. I think this is on scenario in which the restrictions paid off.

[Ryder35]

OK thanks, would love to know the real insider reasons for these incompatibilities. My heart screams Conspiracy! My head screams monumental C@ck up!

[DoctorWho]

Oh, yeah, I agree, they were cutting it too close to release. I don't know those two answers, but I have some ideas.

1) Strat does not work with GH3 because it seems to use different button commands. Looks like it could be patched in.

2) Xbox 360 utilizes the game "game controller" input scheme that windows does, they restrict their devs a lot. I think this is on scenario in which the restrictions paid off.

Yeah the 360 input scheme is a no brainer. Microsoft's goal was a cross platform design using a USB interface for the first time (thank goodness the gaming industry has adopted USB!)

However I think the button commands are the same. An easy test is using the guitar controller to browse the XMB on the PS3. The drum pads seem to be mapped a little different, but the GH3 and RB guitar controllers work the same way as far as input goes (at least from my point of view)

I know that GH2 vs 1 used some sort of encryption when sending data to the unit, maybe they've implemented something along those lines again?

[usty]

Guys, I've been waiting just as long as you to enjoy using "other" guitars on Rock Band. However, I think the complaining on this thread, where they say they've fixed it, is kind of ridiculous. I mean, people have been beating them up in this forum since the day the game came out and now that HMXSean finally gives us an update saying that it's the day we've all been waiting for, you're going to get angry all over again that it took 2 weeks? I was just ridiculously happy that I'll be able to play the game with 4 people finally and that they didn't ignore all of the bashing that went on.

So I give props to HMX for listening to the people who buy the game, for helping us out rather quickly and actually posting us an updated announcement about a completed patch, even if it's not available for download yet. Sometimes we all need to take a step back, remember this is a game, and not get so worked up over little things.

[SoulScreme]

Guys, I've been waiting just as long as you to enjoy using "other" guitars on Rock Band. However, I think the complaining on this thread, where they say they've fixed it, is kind of ridiculous. I mean, people have been beating them up in this forum since the day the game came out and now that HMXSean finally gives us an update saying that it's the day we've all been waiting for, you're going to get angry all over again that it took 2 weeks? I was just ridiculously happy that I'll be able to play the game with 4 people finally and that they didn't ignore all of the bashing that went on.

So I give props to HMX for listening to the people who buy the game, for helping us out rather quickly and actually posting us an updated announcement about a completed patch, even if it's not available for download yet. Sometimes we all need to take a step back, remember this is a game, and not get so worked up over little things.

No, most people are peeved that he said it's that day but it's not that day. Especially after the statements that they won't say anything until they know it's 100% accurate.

[thrdeye]

I was able to get a second strat already, so I'm hoping this patch allows the strats to be used with Guitar Hero.

[Nate Finch]

I was able to get a second strat already, so I'm hoping this patch allows the strats to be used with Guitar Hero.

Uh, that doesn't make any sense. This is a patch to the Rock Band software. No amount of patching to that will affect Guitar Hero 3 in any way.

[usty]

No, most people are peeved that he said it's that day but it's not that day. Especially after the statements that they won't say anything until they know it's 100% accurate.


I, like you, was here last night refreshing the the game over and over along with this thread. I guess I'm just not bothered by the fact that it didn't come out last night like he said, then he apologized this morning. I think it's more relief that it exists and knowing that we will get it is what's making me not care so much about the when...(reasonably, obviously, I'd hope it's here before the weekend)

[Nate Finch]

I, like you, was here last night refreshing the the game over and over along with this thread. I guess I'm just not bothered by the fact that it didn't come out last night like he said, then he apologized this morning. I think it's more relief that it exists and knowing that we will get it is what's making me not care so much about the when...(reasonably, obviously, I'd hope it's here before the weekend)

Well said. Same here.

[DesiredFX]

One thing that all this analysis of the controller compatibility is missing is something very simple: however a guitar controller works when it is hooked up, the game must first recognize it as a guitar controller.

Despite mapping its buttons to standard SIXAXIS buttons, the Les Paul is recognized by GH3 as a guitar controller. Want proof? Plug in one Les Paul and start a co-op career. The very first screen allows you to select who's playing the game with the Les Paul and who's playing it with the SIXAXIS.

So the GH3 software recognizes and distinguishes it from a standard SIXAXIS controller.

In Rock Band, something that parallels that is at work: the game knows what's a Strat, what's the drum kit, and what's a SIXAXIS.

But when you plug in the Les Paul, Rock Band sees it as a SIXAXIS.

That, to me, is what puts the hardware compatibility issue solely at Red Octane's feet: their own game can distinguish that it is a guitar controller, but it looks like a SIXAXIS to the PS3 in every other situation. That speaks of a proprietary scheme for peripheral recognition that they implemented fully only within their own game.

[Quyrean]

So as you may have noticed the patch still isn't up and I apologize. We're trying to find out what the holdup is and I'll get back to you when I know. Or better yet the patch will just go up and everyone will be stoked. Sorry abnout the delay.

No worries, thanks for letting us know it was comming. I was quite despondent last night when I got my second broken guitar, but only because the game is so much fun, I just want to play it :)

[FakeNBake]

it is obvious that without the 1.21 gigawatts needed to achieve time travel that the technical posts in this thread are misplaced...

eargerly awaiting the patch...THANKS HARMONIX!

[SoulScreme]

One thing that all this analysis of the controller compatibility is missing is something very simple: however a guitar controller works when it is hooked up, the game must first recognize it as a guitar controller.

Despite mapping its buttons to standard SIXAXIS buttons, the Les Paul is recognized by GH3 as a guitar controller. Want proof? Plug in one Les Paul and start a co-op career. The very first screen allows you to select who's playing the game with the Les Paul and who's playing it with the SIXAXIS.

So the GH3 software recognizes and distinguishes it from a standard SIXAXIS controller.

In Rock Band, something that parallels that is at work: the game knows what's a Strat, what's the drum kit, and what's a SIXAXIS.

But when you plug in the Les Paul, Rock Band sees it as a SIXAXIS.

That, to me, is what puts the hardware compatibility issue solely at Red Octane's feet: their own game can distinguish that it is a guitar controller, but it looks like a SIXAXIS to the PS3 in every other situation. That speaks of a proprietary scheme for peripheral recognition that they implemented fully only within their own game.

That's most likely untrue. You see, USB devices have a device ID. I'm sure that GH3 is simply reading the device ID and saying, "Yep, that's a Les Paul." I'm also fairly sure that is all that Rock Band is doing as well after the patch.

[jimbronie]

does anyone know if the patch is available anyway else besides online? i wonder how they will patch rock banders who are not online.

[DesiredFX]

That's most likely untrue. You see, USB devices have a device ID. I'm sure that GH3 is simply reading the device ID and saying, "Yep, that's a Les Paul." I'm also fairly sure that is all that Rock Band is doing as well after the patch.

Even if it was that simple, it was still made proprietary, because the rest of the system recognizes it as a SIXAXIS, not a guitar controller that works like a SIXAXIS. Even if all they needed to do to make it compatible was release a string of digits, it's apparent they didn't do that.

In fact, the PS3 doesn't completely recognize it as a SIXAXIS, either, because it would then be compatible with PS2 GH games played on the PS3.

I also have a tendency to want to put this at Red Octane's feet because it's not the first time we've seen an issue with the controllers being proprietary: a flying V wireless controller that worked with GH required an adapter to work with GH2...but the original GH SG worked just fine with GH2...

[eVan_Diesel]

does anyone know if the patch is available anyway else besides online? i wonder how they will patch rock banders who are not online.

That's the silliest thing I've ever read.

[DesiredFX]

does anyone know if the patch is available anyway else besides online? i wonder how they will patch rock banders who are not online.

Sony makes system patches available from the Web. I'm sure if someone requests it, Harmonix will do the same.

[Nate Finch]

does anyone know if the patch is available anyway else besides online? i wonder how they will patch rock banders who are not online.

I don't believe there's any other way to get it. In this generation of consoles, you're losing a LOT by not being online, and I think most developers assume you're going to be able to get updates online.

[thrdeye]

Uh, that doesn't make any sense. This is a patch to the Rock Band software. No amount of patching to that will affect Guitar Hero 3 in any way.

I don't really care about GH3. I guess I was just thinking that if this patch is changing the way guitars communicate with the PS3, then there might be hope for 1 and 2. But, I'd say you're right:(

[thrdeye]

That's the silliest thing I've ever read.

Not everyone has the internets, you know.

[Nate Finch]

I don't really care about GH3. I guess I was just thinking that if this patch is changing the way guitars communicate with the PS3, then there might be hope for 1 and 2. But, I'd say you're right:(

Yeah, unfortunately. It is likely just changing how the Rock Band software deals with information sent by the guitar. It won't affect the rest of the PS3 at all and it won't change the guitars themselves at all, and thus won't change the experience in GH3.

[eVan_Diesel]

Not everyone has the internets, you know.

How are they even posting in this forum then?

[Nate Finch]

How are they even posting in this forum then?

1.) Dialup
2.) Friend's house
3.) Maybe he's asking for another friend without internet

[SoulScreme]

Even if it was that simple, it was still made proprietary, because the rest of the system recognizes it as a SIXAXIS, not a guitar controller that works like a SIXAXIS. Even if all they needed to do to make it compatible was release a string of digits, it's apparent they didn't do that.

In fact, the PS3 doesn't completely recognize it as a SIXAXIS, either, because it would then be compatible with PS2 GH games played on the PS3.

I also have a tendency to want to put this at Red Octane's feet because it's not the first time we've seen an issue with the controllers being proprietary: a flying V wireless controller that worked with GH required an adapter to work with GH2...but the original GH SG worked just fine with GH2...

I know all about the GH2 stuff. And I totally get laying it at RO's feet. But, as a dev, my gut tells me the onus for this falls on HMX. And much like a solider or a cop, a dev has to go with his gut. Heh, I over analyze this stuff. The problem of me and my roommate both being programmers.

[jimbronie]

ty for the response - its something i havent gotten around doing yet. never had the inclination to do so. maybe this is the straw that breaks the camel's back.

[GeOMatriX]

hmmm, my neighbor has guitar hero 3 for ps2, and hopefully this patch is the answer to everything (hopefully) anyone think that guitar will work with RB?

[Nate Finch]

hmmm, my neighbor has guitar hero 3 for ps2, and hopefully this patch is the answer to everything (hopefully) anyone think that guitar will work with RB?

Not unless it's USB (and I don't think the one for the PS2 is) (this is in reference to it working on the PS3)


[edit] uhh... unless you meant w/ PS2's version of rock band.... in which case, I have no idea. Maybe.

[GeOMatriX]

Not unless it's USB (and I don't think the one for the PS2 is) (this is in reference to it working on the PS3)


[edit] uhh... unless you meant w/ PS2's version of rock band.... in which case, I have no idea. Maybe.



oo sorry to include, yea to work with the PS3 version of rock band, damn delete button

[greygoosetall]

I remember last week posting that I had spoken to a top level EA guy (manager of the entire customer service center) and said he told me Harmonix Sony and RO were all working together on a patch that would be released shortly to make the guitars compatible, due to RO getting inundated wqith complaints. He told me less than two weeks.

You told me I was full of it and to stop posting my "garbage". You and others said it wasn't going to happen because RO didn't have to, and you were wrong. I called this the day the pres release came out hinting at this. Everything he told me about my guitar shipping and the altered strum bar specs was correct.

I hate to say it but since you can be so rude to people (sometimes deserved), I am saying "I told you so."

I am enjoying my new guitar too.

[HMXJohnlok]

Just an update: we're still looking into the delay. I don't know when we'll have word on the update, so for now relax, enjoy your day, and try not to worry too much about it :p

I'm time-stamping this around 12:00PM since the clock sucks!

[MF-PO'd]

I remember last week posting that I had spoken to a top level EA guy (manager of the entire customer service center) and said he told me Harmonix Sony and RO were all working together on a patch that would be released shortly to make the guitars compatible, due to RO getting inundated wqith complaints. He told me less than two weeks.

You told me I was full of it and to stop posting my "garbage". You and others said it wasn't going to happen because RO didn't have to, and you were wrong. I called this the day the pres release came out hinting at this. Everything he told me about my guitar shipping and the altered strum bar specs was correct.

I hate to say it but since you can be so rude to people (sometimes deserved), I am saying "I told you so."

I am enjoying my new guitar too.

Yes, I remember that, and I believed you. :) You were correct, sir.

[DesiredFX]

Just an update: we're still looking into the delay. I don't know when we'll have word on the update, so for now relax, enjoy your day, and try not to worry too much about it :p

Shouldn't be too hard for me: my Les Paul is 130 miles away...

[Titannica]

Just an update: we're still looking into the delay. I don't know when we'll have word on the update, so for now relax, enjoy your day, and try not to worry too much about it :p

Thanks for the update, Johnlok.

I will indeed relax and enjoy my day, given the fact that I now have real hope that I'll be able to use my PS3 GH3 in RB. I won't berate you guys for the delay because that's just rude and doesn't do any of us any good. Thanks to you and HMXSean for all of your diligent work in these forums.

[MF-PO'd]

Just an update: we're still looking into the delay. I don't know when we'll have word on the update, so for now relax, enjoy your day, and try not to worry too much about it :p

These kinds of updates and communication are much appreciated. Thank you.

[darien87]

Well I am truly floored. I take back my anti-Harmonix comments. If this patch will indeed make my USB-adapted GH controllers work with Rock Band, I will be nothing short of ecstatic!!! I got my replacement guitar a couple of days ago and it works great.

So now the only thing I'm worried about is possibly snapping my bass pedal. But that issue is pretty minor to me compared to FINALLY being able to play with 2 guitars.

Thanks for the good news Harmonix.

[Nate Finch]

Thanks John! I'm content just knowing you guys are on the case and that it will come soon, whenever that may turn out to be.

I appreciate the communication. It really makes all the difference in the world.

[Gryffindor]

Just an update: we're still looking into the delay. I don't know when we'll have word on the update, so for now relax, enjoy your day, and try not to worry too much about it :p

Can you tell us if the delay is due to Harmonix or Sony or perhaps the patch not being quite ready just yet?

[lynx44]

I can overlook the past if this patch fixes the LP issue. Good job to Harmonix for listening to their customers and fixing a big issue (if that is the case).

I still don't see why people keep trying to push this on RO. I don't see what they could have done differently, there were no guitars on the market before they released GH3, so they had no standards to follow whatsoever. I personally believe they tried to mock the way that the 360 controllers worked, but obviously there are some differences because its a different console (although I haven't sniffed a 360 controller yet, so I can't prove this for sure). The fact that it comes up as a Sixaxis controller makes me believe that they DIDN'T do anything to lock other games out, and the fact that it sounds like HMX has patched this now just proves it more. If it was totally proprietary it wouldn't do anything in the menus at all, no games would be able to recognize that you hit the "up or down" buttons, or hit "x" (the green button). That sounds pretty standard to me, like they attempted to make it open, because it acts like a standard controller.

I also don't know how much I can blame HMX for not including support from the beginning. By the time GH3 came out RB had either already gone gold, or it was at least so close that they didn't want to push out their release date. The only thing I can put solely on them is not telling us that it wouldn't work, they certainly could have tested that.

Otherwise, its both companies fault. Both were working on games that they were both aware would use guitar controllers. The fact that they didn't collaborate is the issue here. What are the chances they would both create a guitar controller for a console that didn't already have one, and create it with the exact same interface? Not very good, in fact pretty much impossible unless there are some sort of standards in place.

-Matt

[willthegreat]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I have been so bummed about the PS3 GHIII incompatibility...it almost ruined my entire Rock Band experience! Now, I'll be able to rock with a full band for the holiday season. Harmonix, you are awesome!!!

[Nate Finch]

Can you tell us if the delay is due to Harmonix or Sony or perhaps the patch not being quite ready just yet?

Does it really matter?

[daenosx]

Has anyone been able to update the game thus far....or is everyone to busy rocking on their LP guitars....come on people feedback....... :)

GOOD JOB HARMONIX!!!!! THANKS FOR THE FIX!!!!

[SoulScreme]

Has anyone been able to update the game thus far....or is everyone to busy rocking on their LP guitars....come on people feedback....... :)

GOOD JOB HARMONIX!!!!! THANKS FOR THE FIX!!!!

It's not out yet. There was an "unexpected delay."

[Ninjalo]

Blah, Sony needs to get on the ball so I can go out and spend even more unnessecary money on Guitar Hero 3

[Nate Finch]

Blah, Sony needs to get on the ball so I can go out and spend even more unnessecary money on Guitar Hero 3

Bwahahaha. GH3 isn't bad. The "Boss Battles" bug the crap out of me, but otherwise, it's good. It was an awesome step up from playing GH2 on the PS3. (I even made the mistake of trying GH1 on the PS3.... oh, it worked, it just looked like it was made to run on the NES).

[SoulScreme]

Blah, Sony needs to get on the ball so I can go out and spend even more unnessecary money on Guitar Hero 3

They've said it's NOT Sony's fault for the delay, it's internal.

[MaximusDM]

Bwahahaha. GH3 isn't bad. The "Boss Battles" bug the crap out of me, but otherwise, it's good. It was an awesome step up from playing GH2 on the PS3. (I even made the mistake of trying GH1 on the PS3.... oh, it worked, it just looked like it was made to run on the NES).

Funny thing, Guitar Hero 1 on PS2 looks better than Guitar Hero 3 on PS2.

[Gryffindor]

Does it really matter?

To me it DOES matter. HMX is beginning to sound like politicians by giving very vague answers in regards to this situation. I really don't like being told that a patch would be ready YESTERDAY only to find out that it's on the way but they can't tell us when or why there's been a delay???? I'm not one for dangling carrots.

The most obvious reasons would be:
A) They have to wait for the Thursday Sony update or perhaps some other problem with Sony's network.
B) They THOUGHT they had it fixed only to find a glitch.

Don't get me wrong. I am THRILLED that they have announced the patch. I'm very glad that they listened to all of the PS3 owners out there who kind of got shafted. I'm also very happy that the HMX guys on this board are trying to keep us updated. If they would just explain what the hold up is it would calm those of us who are dying in anticipation!:D

[Ninjalo]

They've said it's NOT Sony's fault for the delay, it's internal.

I just meant to get the dang patch up on the PSN since it's taking so long (And I'm doing a ps3tag cause of yours now dangit. I'm gonna get involved in this game on the forums too it's so awesome)

[Nate Finch]

To me it DOES matter. HMX is beginning to sound like politicians by giving very vague answers in regards to this situation. I really don't like being told that a patch would be ready YESTERDAY only to find out that it's on the way but they can't tell us when or why there's been a delay???? I'm not one for dangling carrots.

That's standard procedure for pretty much any company that has to deal with the public.

Explaining why it was delayed would almost certainly reveal more of the internal workings of the system than they have any reason to want to reveal.

Maybe the build machine crashed. Maybe the Sony certification guy was home sick. Maybe there was a last minute bug.

If they do explain the delay, it will have to come from an official channel with an official explanation. Note how HMXSean's initial announcement was vague and marketing-sounding? Yeah, that's 'cause it's an official announcement. He didn't just whip that up in the topic editor, I can tell you that much.

Please remember, in the end, this is a business and they have to run it as professionally as they can. Often times that means not explaining every detail.

[miketoast]

Much thanx to HMX, RO, Sony and all the others that had to get their sheet together and worked out so we can have true guitar compatability.

Thank you all once again, you will all be going in my will where you shall share upon my fortune to the sum of......One Million do...CROAK

[DesiredFX]

Bwahahaha. GH3 isn't bad.

I beg to differ. The visual design declined significantly for a game going up to a higher-resolution system, the note charts were designed more for difficulty than for musicality, my particular Les Paul never really did calibrate correctly, there were issues with framerate (as there were with GH2)which for some reason caused the gameplay to screw up (I ALWAYS miss a note when the framerate shift happens), and the game had what was, in my opinion, the very worst set list of any game in the series.

That's why the Les Paul compatibility issue is so important to me--if it doesn't happen, my GH3 experience was a complete waste of time and money.

So, thanks, Harmonix, for taking care of this...assuming that this is what the patch takes care of!

[Ninjalotus]

wow, nice name ninjalo....
anyway iam not too upset, as long as it gets here soon =)

[Aesposit]

I'm one of those who never had a problem with lag on either GH III or RB, my Les Paul worked out of the box with no problem, my Strat, Drums, Kick Pedal, Microphone, and everything has all performed amazingly those far. I never complained about the incompatibility issue because, i can understand 2 companies (minus the backstory and history of course) with products that don't work with each other, and i was so happy to learn (pre-release) that the LP would with Rock Band, and when it didn't of course i was bummed, but i just sat around hoping that a i would have a bass player someday, and now it seems that that day is at hand. and despite the vague answers, "unexpected problems", and everything else, i want to say thanks to Harmonix for giving us all something to enjoy and i can't what to induct a bass player into the legion of rock, ha ha. i understand everyone elses "this is unacceptable" and what not but i just say relax, it's coming, sean and john haven't led us wrong.

[MaximusDM]

To me it DOES matter. HMX is beginning to sound like politicians by giving very vague answers in regards to this situation. I really don't like being told that a patch would be ready YESTERDAY only to find out that it's on the way but they can't tell us when or why there's been a delay???? I'm not one for dangling carrots.

The most obvious reasons would be:
A) They have to wait for the Thursday Sony update or perhaps some other problem with Sony's network.
B) They THOUGHT they had it fixed only to find a glitch.

Don't get me wrong. I am THRILLED that they have announced the patch. I'm very glad that they listened to all of the PS3 owners out there who kind of got shafted. I'm also very happy that the HMX guys on this board are trying to keep us updated. If they would just explain what the hold up is it would calm those of us who are dying in anticipation!:D

If you are mad about Harmonix's "politics" response, you would do a backflip if you read Gamespot's official response to Jeff Gerstmann getting fired.

[TKurata]

That's why the Les Paul compatibility issue is so important to me--if it doesn't happen, my GH3 experience was a complete waste of time and money.

So, thanks, Harmonix, for taking care of this...assuming that this is what the patch takes care of!

^^^COSIGN^^^

[Gryffindor]

If you are mad about Harmonix's "politics" response, you would do a backflip if you read Gamespot's official response to Jeff Gerstmann getting fired.

I go to IGN. Gamespots reviews are so far off it's not even funny.

[hmxsean]

Going to lock this until there is more info to stop spread of disinfo. Let you know when I know.