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FrshChees

07-13-2007, 10:48 AM

well even though im glad to see MetallicA is finally on one of these rhythm games, i think there are WAY better songs for this game than Enter Sandman, i love the song, but there are songs such as Master of Puppets, Battery, One, and their other heavy metal and thrash songs from the 80's...who knows, maybe they'll be on it twice, but Sandman just seems to be the OBVIOUS choice, everyone knows it, mostly everyone likes it, but i'd rather see a much more difficult song on it...whoa, my 1st thread and im all ready ranting :o

Xzyliac

07-13-2007, 10:50 AM

With Mettalica albums right around the corner of release you can't complain.

sushi111

07-13-2007, 10:56 AM

ThePaska

07-13-2007, 10:57 AM

They promise to dive deeper into metallica's library of songs, so I wouldn't be to upset. It's amazing they even got Metallica after Guitar Hero has been trying to get them for about 3 years, maybe more! I would expect a Metallica album to follow very close behind the Who's Album that comes out right after release as DLC.

mobhit101

07-13-2007, 11:13 AM

newwaytodie

07-13-2007, 12:05 PM

No suprise that a game called Guitar Hero can't get the Lars/Hetfield lovefest that is Metallicrap.

They'd have to make it something along the lines of "Guitar/Vocalist and Drummer everyone else is replaceable Hero"

Enter Sandman was one of the first songs I learned on guitar and it is borning as hell to play. Words can't express my disappointment on this song choice.

Anything prior to the black album would have made me giddy.

sushi111

07-13-2007, 12:08 PM

Electric_Zen

07-13-2007, 01:25 PM

I have to agree with Sushi here. I'd much rather have a bunch of good downloadable Metallica content than one good Metallica song on disc.

I just listened to Enter Sandman today, and it's got that fun cheesy quality like Wanted: Dead or Alive that works at parties. My wife would get up and sing this song, not Battery.

Top 40 Metallica will help move discs at retail, while good Metallica for download will make the rest of us very happy.

WingsOfSteel

07-13-2007, 04:14 PM

Yeah, Enter Sandman would be fun to sing, even if not for guitar.

Still, I really hope they've got Battery up for download.

i_pwn_at_life

07-13-2007, 05:30 PM

i was hoping for something other than enter sandman, but i'll take any metallica.

i'm suprised lars let them get the licence.

ajretz

07-13-2007, 09:42 PM

I'm pretty sure HMX downloaded the master track of Enter Sandman from Napster didn't they? :)

Gear_RA_RA_RA

07-13-2007, 10:43 PM

ajretz

07-13-2007, 11:35 PM

Enter Sandman is the worst song I've ever heard.

You'd think they could've put a little effort into their choices instead of saying "THIS IS POPULAR SO ITLL BE GD", wouldn't you?

Paranoid... Enter Sandman... what's next? Hotel ****ing California?

*SIGH*

Worst song you've ever heard? Have you never heard the crap produced by all of the country and Emo bands?

The reason Sandman was picked was because its a Metallica song that everyone knows. Everyone ranging from 12 year olds to grandpa's. Everyone who listens to Country to Jazz. Its mainstream, and thus appeals to a bigger audience. Granted there may be better choices for Metallica, but for the first 40 songs that come with the game, its a perfect choice.

Hotel California is an excellent song, I hope they add it and Stairway to Heaven. Along with future downloadable content from Zeppelin.

thorn_9

07-14-2007, 12:31 AM

Enter Sandman also represents the last semi decent album metallica put out. Its all crap after that black album. Give me kill em all and ill worship you all.

the_spike

07-14-2007, 12:41 AM

Enter Sandman will be fine. I've played a custom for it and it surprised me how fun it was. I imagine that Harmonix will do a better job on charting it than some random dude so it should be a great song for the game.

ThePaska

07-14-2007, 01:14 AM

Enter Sandman is the worst song I've ever heard.

You'd think they could've put a little effort into their choices instead of saying "THIS IS POPULAR SO ITLL BE GD", wouldn't you?

Paranoid... Enter Sandman... what's next? Hotel ****ing California?

*SIGH*

Just because a song is popular does not make it bad. Some poeple like those songs, I would think it is safe to say the majority of people (judging by these songs popularity) really like these songs, including me.

In the future there will be more metallica songs and black sabbath songs released. For now this is what we get, and I for one think they are fine choices, and look like they are really fun to play with 3 friends. Just be happy these bands are in the game!

newwaytodie

07-14-2007, 01:19 AM

Yeah, Enter Sandman would be fun to sing

Exit light-ahhhh

Enter Niiii-higgght(uhh)

Graaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeen of sayyyyyyuhhhnd(uhhhh)

Off to nevah nevah layyyyund(uhhh)

Yeah-uh this-uh would-uh be-uh fun-uh to-uh sing-uhh. Yaaayyyuh whooooa oooooh ohhhh

lithiumkc

07-14-2007, 01:19 AM

Enter Sandman is the worst song I've ever heard.

You'd think they could've put a little effort into their choices instead of saying "THIS IS POPULAR SO ITLL BE GD", wouldn't you?

Paranoid... Enter Sandman... what's next? Hotel ****ing California?

*SIGH*

I think you should put more effort into your thought process instead of thinking 'POPULAR SONGS ARE AUTOMATICALLY UNGOOD' or 'OBSCURE SONGS WILL BE BETTER BECAUSE IT SHOWS MY 1337 SCOPE OF MUSIC KNOWLEDGE'

There are better sabbath songs. There are better metallica songs. When the hell will some of you people be satisfied? Not only did they follow popular demand and make this game in the first place, but people were *****ing about no metallica.. so they bust their asses to GET metallica, and then people ***** about it anyways! Beggars can't be choosers, and some of you need to drop your whiny suburban give-me-everything brat attitude

Teh_Jakester

07-14-2007, 01:25 AM

Enter Sandman is the worst song I've ever heard.

Agreed. The Black Album was a piece of ****.

You'd think they could've put a little effort into their choices instead of saying "THIS IS POPULAR SO ITLL BE GD", wouldn't you?

Paranoid... Enter Sandman... what's next? Hotel ****ing California?

...November Rain, Mr. Crowley, and Walk This Way.

Teh_Jakester

07-14-2007, 01:27 AM

I think you should put more effort into your thought process instead of thinking 'POPULAR SONGS ARE AUTOMATICALLY UNGOOD' or 'OBSCURE SONGS WILL BE BETTER BECAUSE IT SHOWS MY 1337 SCOPE OF MUSIC KNOWLEDGE'

I LIKE most of the stuff I say wouldn't be fun. I say it wouldn't be fun because IT WOULDN'T ****ING BE FUN.

so they bust their asses to GET metallica, and then people ***** about it anyways!

Because the song they got was a piece of ****.

newwaytodie

07-14-2007, 01:32 AM

I'm so hardcore, this is the only CD I own and I listen to it non-stop every day of my life.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/newwaytodie/littlewoodjacket.jpg

Gear_RA_RA_RA

07-14-2007, 01:32 AM

Just because a song is popular does not make it bad. Some poeple like those songs, I would think it is safe to say the majority of people (judging by these songs popularity) really like these songs, including me.

In the future there will be more metallica songs and black sabbath songs released. For now this is what we get, and I for one think they are fine choices, and look like they are really fun to play with 3 friends. Just be happy these bands are in the game!

I can't recall saying "Enter Sandman is the worst song I've ever heard because it's popular". I was stating how it got into the game.

lithiumkc

07-14-2007, 01:33 AM

I LIKE most of the stuff I say wouldn't be fun. I say it wouldn't be fun because IT WOULDN'T ****ING BE FUN.

Because the song they got was a piece of ****.

The point is, it was obviously hard enough to get them to sign. People had been dying for it since GH1, i've been on the boards since the beginning. Finally they get them, they're probably ecstatic about it, and all people do is whine more. You're not ENTITLED to anything. Stop acting like it. The fact that this game is even coming out is enormous, the fact that Metallica signed on is enormous, and yet... It's not enough, is it? :rolleyes:

Gear_RA_RA_RA

07-14-2007, 01:35 AM

The point is, it was obviously hard enough to get them to sign. People had been dying for it since GH1, i've been on the boards since the beginning. Finally they get them, they're probably ecstatic about it, and all people do is whine more. You're not ENTITLED to anything. Stop acting like it. The fact that this game is even coming out is enormous, the fact that Metallica signed on is enormous, and yet... It's not enough, is it? :rolleyes:

The fact that they got Metallica is even worse. Yes, they got them, but they wasted their Metallica choice on the most popular song they could think of, even though the lesser-known ones would be a lot more fun in their game, because they couldn't be bothered to shift out 10$ for a full album.

Teh_Jakester

07-14-2007, 01:35 AM

The fact that this game is even coming out is enormous, the fact that Metallica signed on is enormous, and yet... It's not enough, is it?

Sorry sorry SORRY! FOR WANTING TO HAVE FUN IN A GAME!!! :O Lock me up, Officer!

Gear_RA_RA_RA

07-14-2007, 01:38 AM

It's just a waste. "We've got Metallica!" "ZOMFG!" "Let's find a fun song for them to be in the game!" "Oh, okay, I'll turn Kerrang! on and we'll put in the first Metallica song we see!" "..." "What's this? This sounds like it could be fun!" "WHERE ARE TEH BASS?" "Okay, second one." "omg vocals" "omg drums" "omg geetar" "omg bass" "lets put it in" "kthxboss".

ThePaska

07-14-2007, 01:38 AM

I can't recall saying "Enter Sandman is the worst song I've ever heard because it's popular". I was stating how it got into the game.

Sorry I guess I thought that is what you meant as you listed Paranoid and Hotel California with it and talked about the decision to put them in as being based simply on popularity...

If there was one song by the Eagles that would be good for RB it would be Hotel California.

Either way, the songs are good, and they will be fun to play or they wouldn't be in the game, give them a chance, and when you play them you just might change your mind.

Also as I have said before there will be massive amounts of DLC, and I doubt anyone will be able to complain about that. They have already said they will dive deeper into metallica, and hopefully this will please everyone who isn't happy with the metallica that is already on the disc.

lithiumkc

07-14-2007, 01:39 AM

The fact that they got Metallica is even worse. Yes, they got them, but they wasted their Metallica choice on the most popular song they could think of, even though the lesser-known ones would be a lot more fun in their game, because they couldn't be bothered to shift out 10$ for a full album.

How do you know what Metallica allowed them to use? How do you know there won't be downloadable songs in the future? Give me a break, the fact remains that a lot of you are whiners by nature, its been common since the first board started. Whine, whine, whine, never satisfied.

Everything should go exactly the way *I* want it to, and any discrepancy is a complete mistake on harmonix's part :rolleyes: Grow up.

moneal2001

07-14-2007, 01:39 AM

The fact that they got Metallica is even worse. Yes, they got them, but they wasted their Metallica choice on the most popular song they could think of, even though the lesser-known ones would be a lot more fun in their game, because they couldn't be bothered to shift out 10$ for a full album.

Actually they are going to be putting alot of metallica songs for DLC, but i guess you cant read far enough into the press release to notice that. All you did was see Enter Sandman and quit reading right then. God you people disgust me. Would you rather see Lips of an Angel by Hinder or Sandman.

Gear_RA_RA_RA

07-14-2007, 01:41 AM

Oh. I see. They're using Enter Sandman, Paranoid and the rest as a baiting trick for the masses. So they can say "ZOMG THESE NOT GD WE WANT MORE" and download different, super-awesome tracks.

Ah. Clever.

kthxsori.

Oh, and I did see it, I just didn't see why Enter Sandman was their FIRST choice.

lithiumkc

07-14-2007, 01:43 AM

Oh. I see. They're using Enter Sandman, Paranoid and the rest as a baiting trick for the masses. So they can say "ZOMG THESE NOT GD WE WANT MORE" and download different, super-awesome tracks.

Ah. Clever.

kthxsori.

Oh i see. So now YOU are the voice for every rock band gamer. You can say without a doubt that nobody will like enter sandman.

Wow, I wish I was omnipotent too.

Gear_RA_RA_RA

07-14-2007, 01:43 AM

Oh i see. So now YOU are the voice for every rock band gamer. You can say without a doubt that nobody will like enter sandman.

Wow, I wish I was omnipotent too.

I said the masses.

Being, the kids who'll watch TV, see the advert and go "ENTER SANDMAN FTW" and buy it. Not every gamer.

Teh_Jakester

07-14-2007, 01:44 AM

Lips of an Angel by Hinder or Sandman.

Lips of an Angel. Definately.

Gear_RA_RA_RA

07-14-2007, 01:44 AM

Lips of an Angel. Definately.

... what's a "Hinder"?

lithiumkc

07-14-2007, 01:45 AM

Gear_RA_RA_RA

07-14-2007, 01:46 AM

Oh and apparently you've also decided that their first choice was enter sandman. Were you involved in the discussions? Can you say with 100% clarity that harmonix went in, said 'give us enter sandman', and there was no discussion after that?

No. Stop talking out of your ass. Or maybe start. The smell might be worse but nobody would have to listen to the whining.

Well, I certainly can't imagine they'd have discussed another Metallica song straight away. Maybe it was one with limited drums or vocals. Or something from ... And Justice For All.

ThePaska

07-14-2007, 01:47 AM

... what's a "Hinder"?

hin·der/ˈhɪndər/
–verb (used with object)
to cause delay, interruption, or difficulty in; hamper; impede: The storm hindered our progress. ;)

kanerules

07-14-2007, 01:49 AM

Alright, just an opinion here...but to get things straight before I make my comment, I'd much rather see a song like Orion. So I'm definitely not one of those "only knows Enter Sandman" type of people.

But think about it, I'm going to use the "No Stairway" topic on the "other" forum as an example...there's like 66 or something people that have signed it...and there's what..just over 600,000 people just on the 360 leaderboards alone. Stop thinking just because you don't like a song, no one does. If everything they put on the game is so bad...take a programming course and make your own damn game with whatever YOU think is suitable.

Like really, if you're trying to sell a game, and Metallica is one of your biggest bands in it. Are they going to aim for those 66 "hardcore" music enthusiasts who have definitely heard the older stuff, and get 66 sales...or would they rather put on something just about all 600,000 people know to get them to buy the game...and THEN give the "hardcores" what they want in form of DL. Jesus..be happy or something.

lithiumkc

07-14-2007, 01:49 AM

Well, I certainly can't imagine they'd have discussed another Metallica song straight away. Maybe it was one with limited drums or vocals. Or something from ... And Justice For All.

I can think of 5 songs off the top of my head that they could have asked for first. Since they are clearly trying to please people based heavily on forums and feedback, I doubt they would have asked for enter sandman before, say, master of puppets. You need to drop this "ZOMG DEY WANTS ALL UV OUR MUNEY ITS ALL A SKEME" rhetoric or you're never going to be satisfied with this game.

Gear_RA_RA_RA

07-14-2007, 01:51 AM

I can think of 5 songs off the top of my head that they could have asked for first. Since they are clearly trying to please people based heavily on forums and feedback, I doubt they would have asked for enter sandman before, say, master of puppets. You need to drop this "ZOMG DEY WANTS ALL UV OUR MUNEY ITS ALL A SKEME" rhetoric or you're never going to be satisfied with this game.

Half of Master of Puppets has no vocals.

Teh_Jakester

07-14-2007, 01:52 AM

And I doubted they'd be stupid enough to use Enter Sandman. Well, here we are.

MadassAlex

07-14-2007, 01:53 AM

You're all wrong.

Ride The Lightning is superior. :)

newwaytodie

07-14-2007, 01:53 AM

I wish I was omnipotent too.

Why would you want that? Don't you wanna do chicks?

lithiumkc

07-14-2007, 02:00 AM

Why would you want that? Don't you wanna do chicks?
I had to think about that one... ahaha

All i'm saying is that people should stop expecting that everything goes 100% the way they want it to. I don't like half the songs in either guitar hero, but **** are they fun to play. And the songs I DO like aren't always difficult, but they're still fun because.. They're good songs. I'd much rather play a good song with friends than play some crappy technical one because it just may be more difficult. Paranoid is still a classic. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath would be my choice, but i'm happy with Paranoid cause.. it's sabbath, and i get to sing in it.

Ghaleon

07-14-2007, 02:08 AM

I kept clicking on pages of this thread full of personal tastes argued as indisputable imperatives just to see Carl, and was sorely disappointed.

Why would you want that? Don't you wanna do chicks?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/SpeedFighter/Stuff/1180434203170.jpg

sushi111

07-14-2007, 02:09 AM

Dont listen to jakester or Gear. Why? Because they are bith self obsessed jackasses that think Harmonix is making the game for them two. They can not get it through their skull that maybe, just maybe, Enter Sandman, while not Metallicas best song, is a good song that almost everyone knows... Why wouldnt they put it in?

I get that you guys would be upset if Metallica said "One song only!". I understand what you feel. If they chose one Radiohead song and made it Creep I would be pissed beyond what you think you are now. Like you have no idea. However if they said, "oh you can download tons of Radiohead songs later", Id be happy as hell!

Being upset about not getting songs that you probably are going to get makes absolutley no sense. Obviously Jakester thinks pretty high and mighty of himself.

Teh_Jakester

07-14-2007, 02:10 AM

Dont listen to jakester or Gear. Why? Because they are bith self obsessed jackasses that think Harmonix is making the game for them two.

No, I think Harmonix is making the game so people can have fun.

lithiumkc

07-14-2007, 02:12 AM

sushi111

07-14-2007, 02:12 AM

No, I think Harmonix is making the game so people can have fun.

Oh my ****ing God. You can download more Metallica songs later. Stop being a whining ***** abiut everything.

lithiumkc

07-14-2007, 02:13 AM

No, I think Harmonix is making the game so people can have fun.

So basically you are saying that you know intrinsically what people consider fun? No, you're literally just thinking for everybody else based on your own opinions. You have no leg to stand on here, and it's obvious that you're not thinking about what would be best for the general public, but what would satisfy YOU.

Teh_Jakester

07-14-2007, 02:14 AM

So basically you are saying that you know intrinsically what people consider fun? No, you're literally just thinking for everybody else based on your own opinions. You have no leg to stand on here, and it's obvious that you're not thinking about what would be best for the general public, but what would satisfy YOU.

I'm thinking about what woulod have good vocals, drums, bass, and guitar, not how much people LIKE songs. So **** off.

lithiumkc

07-14-2007, 02:17 AM

I'm thinking about what woulod have good vocals, drums, bass, and guitar, not how much people LIKE songs. So **** off.
Ohhh so let's pick a bunch of songs nobody likes just because they have technical instrument lines. SWEET. Thats way better than a bunch of songs that most people like and that will be fun to play anyways.

male
14 years old
Limerick
United States, Maine

NUFF SAID.

Teh_Jakester

07-14-2007, 02:21 AM

*Facepalm*

Just because I'm young doesn't mean I'm stupid.

sushi111

07-14-2007, 02:25 AM

*Facepalm*

Just because I'm young doesn't mean I'm stupid.

Hey Jake, Im young too. Older than you, but young. But still, Age isnt going to be a factor unless you start acting like a baby. I wouldnt be suprised if you were 7 at this point. Even a thirty year old can start whining like a 14 year old, except not only are you whining like one, you are one.

lithiumkc

07-14-2007, 02:26 AM

*Facepalm*

Just because I'm young doesn't mean I'm stupid.

No, but your obvious ignorance to game production, your attitude of entitlement and the way you talk like you know what everybody else wants does.

Teh_Jakester

07-14-2007, 02:27 AM

UGH. Shut up. Just because I don't think a song would be good for this game, and I'd rather have my penis cut off and fed to me than play it doesn't mean I'm whining!

sushi111

07-14-2007, 02:28 AM

UGH. Shut up. Just because I don't think a song would be good for this game, and I'd rather have my penis cut off and fed to me than play it doesn't mean I'm whining!

I understand that. Thats not whining. Thats complaining.

But complaining about songs you are going to get, then thats whining.

lithiumkc

07-14-2007, 02:28 AM

UGH. Shut up. Just because I don't think a song would be good for this game, and I'd rather have my penis cut off and fed to me than play it doesn't mean I'm whining!

There's a difference between SUGGESTION, which is saying 'Well Im glad metallica's in the game, but I would like to see a different song' and *****ING, which is saying 'OMFG they got metallica but they put a crappy song in, all they want is to get money from us, why can't they put a fun song in, everybodys going to hate this one, i'm totally right'.

Teh_Jakester

07-14-2007, 02:34 AM

sushi111

07-14-2007, 02:36 AM

Because they didnt. BOOOHOOOHOOOO!

They picked Paranoid, they picked Enter Sandman. Get the **** over it.

Gear_RA_RA_RA

07-14-2007, 02:40 AM

I'll play them. I'll just turn them up REALLY loud. Everything's good when it's really loud :D

Does Rock Band have a function to lower the band volume? If so, I'll do that, and just listen to the guitar :)

lithiumkc

07-14-2007, 02:42 AM

No, everybody's going to like Enter Sandman because they've only heard three songs by Metallica. It's not like I'm asking them to put on a song from St. Anger. (I only know of two people who like that album including myself) I'm asking why the **** did they not choose one of the other songs everybody knows? Or even do The Four Horsemen or ...And Justice For All.

Everybody's going to like it because they've only heard 3 songs.. Just another example of your constant stereotyping and assuming. Stop thinking for other people. If you don't like it, you don't like it, but don't act like you know why somebody else will or will not like a song.

Anyways, that's enough arguing with a 14 year old brick wall for me.

Gear_RA_RA_RA

07-14-2007, 02:44 AM

There's a chance they could change some songs before the final build...

I Want Candy... Possum Kingdom... remember those?

You've gotta keep the faith :O

Teh_Jakester

07-14-2007, 02:48 AM

There's a chance they could change some songs before the final build...

I Want Candy... Possum Kingdom... remember those?

Yes! Metal Health! The Trooper!

Gear_RA_RA_RA

07-14-2007, 02:49 AM

Yes! Metal Health! The Trooper!

Er, Possum Kingdom was taken out of GH1...

Teh_Jakester

07-14-2007, 02:51 AM

Er, Possum Kingdom was taken out of GH1...

Yes, but Metal Health and The Trooper were taken out of GH2.

Gear_RA_RA_RA

07-14-2007, 03:03 AM

Yes, but Metal Health and The Trooper were taken out of GH2.

They WERE? :O

FrshChees

07-14-2007, 01:46 PM

Eman311

07-14-2007, 02:09 PM

are people really complaining about enter the sandman?

you people are complete morons

Another_Hit_and_Run

07-14-2007, 02:59 PM

everyone knows it, mostly everyone likes it

=$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for Harmonix. ;)

wvumak

07-14-2007, 03:23 PM

my first shot wouldve been master of the puppets but enter sandman would've been my second

zeefeet

07-14-2007, 03:25 PM

okay metallica (old) is amazing and enter sandman is a perfect in between song for them to choose but i worry about megadeth. i have a feeling that metallica is going to be to take the place of megadeth and megadeth will stay within guitar hero.

this depresses me because i love megadeth throughout basically their whole span. Anything, even a song off the new album (which is amazing!!!) can be put in the game cause its as amazing as old megadeth.

so as much as i love metallica i would also love to see megadeth make it into the setlist, or at least as dlc.

noumenon

07-14-2007, 09:33 PM

I think people should stop *****ing. We all realise it's one of Metallica's more musically dull songs but as a few people have said I think it's a good balance between good song/fun to play and popularity/something everybody will be able to get into.

What I'm interested in is this: what does this mean for double kick in the game? They could have chosen this song because it has no double kick which could signify there won't be any double kick songs in the game. But the media release also says songs will span metallica's entire career, and pretty much all of their pre black stuff had double kick in every song. Interesting indeed.

Teh_Jakester

07-15-2007, 12:41 AM

are people really complaining about enter the sandman?

you people are complete morons

Enter Sandman is the single worst song I've ever heard. Worse than Yes We Can. Worse than Farewell Myth. Worse than Hey. Why? Because it's Metallica in a desperate atttempt to remain mainstream. The Black Album was an embarassment to the name Metallica.

Xenoburst

07-15-2007, 12:43 AM

Ok slightly off subject, but was I the only one that was super stoked that they got Paranoid in?

coolman98350

07-15-2007, 03:28 AM

Enter Sandman is the single worst song I've ever heard. Worse than Yes We Can. Worse than Farewell Myth. Worse than Hey. Why? Because it's Metallica in a desperate atttempt to remain mainstream. The Black Album was an embarassment to the name Metallica.

I cant believe your complaining, i know lets all put in "yes we can" because this guy hates enter sandman and thinks everyone should

lithiumkc

07-15-2007, 04:47 AM

Enter Sandman is the single worst song I've ever heard. Worse than Yes We Can. Worse than Farewell Myth. Worse than Hey. Why? Because it's Metallica in a desperate atttempt to remain mainstream. The Black Album was an embarassment to the name Metallica.

The fact that you're basing your review of the song NOT on the music itself, but on the principles you think are movivating the song to be written means that your opinion is biased and flawed. You can't judge music based on principle. You judge it on sound. Saying its 'the worst song ever' because you think it's too mainstream for metallica is ******ed, its more than obvious that there are thousands of worse songs than that.

You can feel free to not like it, but to say it's the worst song ever and your reason behind it is dumb man. You need to learn that mainstream is not always BAD, regardless of how crappy modern music is, you shouldn't just downright blow everything off just because it's not completely seperated from mainstream music. It destroys your chance to enjoy more music. Listening to the obscure does not automatically mean you have a superior taste in music to everybody else, and it doesn't mean that mainstream automatically sucks.

Teh_Jakester

07-15-2007, 05:07 AM

The fact that you're basing your review of the song NOT on the music itself, but on the principles you think are movivating the song to be written means that your opinion is biased and flawed. You can't judge music based on principle. You judge it on sound. Saying its 'the worst song ever' because you think it's too mainstream for metallica is ******ed, its more than obvious that there are thousands of worse songs than that.

I hate the way Enter Sandman sounds. I hate that Metallica would decide to try to remain mainstream and push out a ****ty album that everyone else loves. I hate that they put it in Rock Band. I, personally, have to compare songs to others of the same band. Metallica only has one bad album. The Black Album. And The Black Album is a pile of ****.

Donpauleone

07-15-2007, 05:29 AM

Teh_Jakester

07-15-2007, 07:10 AM

Load, Reload and St. Anger were good. St. Anger was my favorite Metallica album.

Kaboobi

07-15-2007, 07:15 AM

Load, Reload and St. Anger were good. St. Anger was my favorite Metallica album.
Hahahahahahahaha. You're joking, right?

Gear_RA_RA_RA

07-15-2007, 07:19 AM

Hahahahahahahaha. You're joking, right?

Gah! Load was HORRIBLE.

Teh_Jakester

07-15-2007, 07:21 AM

Hahahahahahahaha. You're joking, right?

Not at all. Okay, Load wasn't that good, but still.

Gear_RA_RA_RA

07-15-2007, 07:23 AM

Not at all. Okay, Load was HORRIBLE, but still.

Seriously :(

Load is the only Metallica album that doesn't have one song on it that I like.

Before you ask, Sad But True.

PatrickY

07-15-2007, 07:26 AM

Why? Because it's Metallica in a desperate atttempt to remain mainstream. The Black Album was an embarassment to the name Metallica.

A desperate attempt to remain mainstream? Um, Enter Sandman was Metallica's extraordinarily successful attempt to sell about 15 million albums to the mainstream. They weren't trying to hold on to the mainstream, they were courting it.

StartSomething

07-15-2007, 07:44 AM

Wheres your crown, king nothing?

Eman311

07-15-2007, 07:59 AM

hahahahaha i cant believe this

" The Black Album was an embarassment to the name Metallica."

you have got to be joking

sushi111

07-15-2007, 08:19 AM

hahahahaha i cant believe this

" The Black Album was an embarassment to the name Metallica."

you have got to be joking

And yet he thinks St Anger is the best Metallica Album.:D

Desensitized

07-15-2007, 09:31 AM

I'm starting to hope the only downloadable album is 'The Black Album'.

Just because. :)

IbanezBassist_v2

07-15-2007, 09:34 AM

I understand you are a hardcore Metallica fan, but you know what? Everybody wins.

Casual Metallica fans get a song they all know and love, while hardcore MEtallica fans get to download lots of Metallica songs after.

No one should be complaining.

Hopefully this will be true. While ES is far from the best. It's one everyone is familiar with. I'd be looking for Disposible Heroes or some older Metallica. It still means big things for us!

noumenon

07-15-2007, 11:32 AM

Load, Reload and St. Anger were good. St. Anger was my favorite Metallica album.

See you may as well just stop posting in this thread because you just lost all credibility right there (not that you had much to begin with). I am quite serious in saying I think you might have one of the most flawed arguments I've ever read. Ready, I'm you:

'hey guyz enter sandman is teh sukz n its teh worst song ive ever heard becuz its 2 mainstreem for my uber l337ness (rofl but fuel is totally undaground). Becuz i personally dont like it OMG it shudent be in teh game i dont care about hmx makin money or sellin copies of rock band it should exist as a sole vehicle for my personnal entertainment.

Btw, black album woz total mainstreem before tehy returned to their old school trhash rootz with load, reload and st anger whci crapped all over black SELLOUTICA lol'

trashthisdumptim

07-17-2007, 12:52 AM

The fact that you're basing your review of the song NOT on the music itself, but on the principles you think are movivating the song to be written means that your opinion is biased and flawed. You can't judge music based on principle. You judge it on sound. Saying its 'the worst song ever' because you think it's too mainstream for metallica is ******ed, its more than obvious that there are thousands of worse songs than that.

You can feel free to not like it, but to say it's the worst song ever and your reason behind it is dumb man. You need to learn that mainstream is not always BAD, regardless of how crappy modern music is, you shouldn't just downright blow everything off just because it's not completely seperated from mainstream music. It destroys your chance to enjoy more music. Listening to the obscure does not automatically mean you have a superior taste in music to everybody else, and it doesn't mean that mainstream automatically sucks.

No point in trying to argue with with 14-year-old kids. There's nothing to be gained from it. Most won't know what they're saying until they grow up.

lithiumkc

07-17-2007, 01:35 AM

No point in trying to argue with with 14-year-old kids. There's nothing to be gained from it. Most won't know what they're saying until they grow up.

And they won't remember it either. God knows i was ignorant as **** back then.

IbanezBassist_v2

07-17-2007, 01:42 AM

*Facepalm*

Just because I'm young doesn't mean I'm stupid.

I wouldn't call it stupidity. More ignorance and lack of experience.

Eman311

07-17-2007, 02:02 AM

This song is gonna be insanely fun to play........so everyone should shut the hell up

WingsOfSteel

07-17-2007, 05:05 AM

Since when is "repetitive" spelled "fun?"

I don't have blind seething hatred for the song like some people, but just listening to the guitar you can tell that it will be about as repetitive as the intro to Smoke on the Water. Granted, it has a fairly decent solo, but it's still not that great of a song for this game overall.

Phiromos

07-17-2007, 05:07 AM

interesting...i'm not sure but for a 15 year old i seemed to have matured beyond the petty ignorance of thinking you're the greatest thing in the world..and you're right...arguing with a 14 year old is futile at best..they won't secceed their point..even if they happen to be wrong

Terranova

07-17-2007, 05:07 AM

I have been a fan of Metallica since the beginning yes i'm showing my age here (32) but i dont care.. and i quite like Enter sandman and i'm glad it's on the disc i could think of far worse tracks from the Load-Reload era.. but hey everyone can have their opinion, if you dont like the Song then dont bother with it when RB is released but to put everyone else down who does like it and say it doesn't deserve to be in the game just because you don't think it should makes you look immature and childish.. and as everyone else has said there will be Metallica tracks to download so you will most likely have your favourite there.

stunner1210

07-17-2007, 05:10 AM

I don't see what the problem with the song is. Sure, it's not their best nor my favorite from them, but this song has one of the most recognizable riffs in history. It's a great song. It's definitely a departure from what most of us consider Metallica's best, but it's still Metallica.

Everyone wanted Metallica in Guitar Hero, we finally get it in Rock Band and people still find something to pick at it about. There are going to be songs added later on, I have to imagine we'll see a good bit of 80's 'Tallica. Either way, I'm just psyched that Metallica is in the game and that the songs are master tracks.

IbanezBassist_v2

07-17-2007, 06:14 AM

I don't see what the problem with the song is.

I'll tell you what the problem is. Its the "fanboys" that beg and plead. "Oh please get Metallica", but when they get it, they aren't happy with it. Its called un obtainable expectations. Normally offered from women and young kids who think they know music.....:p

Phiromos

07-17-2007, 06:16 AM

haha ibane has a good point there...

IbanezBassist_v2

07-17-2007, 06:19 AM

haha ibanez has a good point there...

Normally I do. BTW, you can just call me IB. Hell! If you want you can add an S as well. Get it.... I.B.S. Ha Ha!:o

Phiromos

07-17-2007, 06:20 AM

haha nice...

MadassAlex

07-17-2007, 12:18 PM

So basically you are saying that you know intrinsically what people consider fun? No, you're literally just thinking for everybody else based on your own opinions. You have no leg to stand on here, and it's obvious that you're not thinking about what would be best for the general public, but what would satisfy YOU.

Enter Sandman is really boring, though. There are far more fun Metallica songs that are almost as well known.

Phrank-E

07-17-2007, 01:02 PM

I hate the way Enter Sandman sounds. I hate that Metallica would decide to try to remain mainstream and push out a ****ty album that everyone else loves. I hate that they put it in Rock Band. I, personally, have to compare songs to others of the same band. Metallica only has one bad album. The Black Album. And The Black Album is a pile of ****.

First off Jakeycakes.... What exactly do you mean by "Remain Mainstream". To me, This would imply that they "WERE" mainstream prior to the Black album. Were you even born yet? Let me clue you in... Enter Sandman was the song that broke them into the mainstream. You like to post all over these forums about music that was recorded before you were even born, So weren't around to know what the whole scene was. The proper Metallica bashing would be that they "Sold Out" with that album. They were light years away from being mainstream. One was a fluke hit due mostly to an incredible video hat was played a Kazillion times on MTV. Personally I don't like the Black Album or anything they have done since, But then I listened to and owned all their albums up to that point. The Black Album sounded the way that it did largely due to the producer they hired. And whether we like it or not, people including artists and musicians DO change over the years. It does not necessarily mean a conscious effort to change to reach a new audience. It just happens..

Where was I going with all this? OH! STFU about how Enter Sandman sucks and either not play it or at least stop talking about it. Because your three years of watching VH1 hardly makes you the authority on music that you think you are.

sa_nick

07-17-2007, 01:42 PM

I'm so glad I'm not a Metallica fan. If I was then I probably wouldn't be as pumped about Sandman being in RB. I think the song's awesome.

newwaytodie

07-17-2007, 02:49 PM

I know I wasn't dissing the black album directly. Although I think that it's not thier best album. There was a time before I was into metal and it was Metallica and largely the black album that got me looking into the genre. It's accessible and therefore it gets old after a while, especially Enter Sandman...

I just wonder why they decided on that particular song considering the popularity of the entire album. There are a lot of other songs on that album that I would have liked more.

Oh well, I guess they needed SOME songs for the easiest level.

ErikSchierboom

07-19-2007, 02:55 AM

I love all Metallica albums up to the Black Album, which for me marks the decline of their music with some noteworthy exceptions (such as No Leaf Clover and Until it Sleeps). That does not mean however that their last albums were terrible, to me it mostly signifies that their previous albums were that good.

The reason why Enter Sandman has been chosen seems very simple to me: easy marketing. Most people will have heard of Metallica and Enter Sandman is one of their best known songs. Normally I would also have complained a lot for this particular choice of song, Enter Sandman is not even in my top 25 of Metallica songs, however the promise that we will get to experience songs spanning their whole career has reassured me enough. With the release of complete albums it is easy to see that one of them will be a Metallica album, hopefully Master of Puppets or ...And Justice For All.

IbanezBassist_v2

07-19-2007, 04:58 AM

First off Jakeycakes.... What exactly do you mean by "Remain Mainstream". To me, This would imply that they "WERE" mainstream prior to the Black album. Were you even born yet? Let me clue you in... Enter Sandman was the song that broke them into the mainstream. You like to post all over these forums about music that was recorded before you were even born, So weren't around to know what the whole scene was. The proper Metallica bashing would be that they "Sold Out" with that album. They were light years away from being mainstream. One was a fluke hit due mostly to an incredible video hat was played a Kazillion times on MTV. Personally I don't like the Black Album or anything they have done since, But then I listened to and owned all their albums up to that point. The Black Album sounded the way that it did largely due to the producer they hired. And whether we like it or not, people including artists and musicians DO change over the years. It does not necessarily mean a conscious effort to change to reach a new audience. It just happens..

Where was I going with all this? OH! STFU about how Enter Sandman sucks and either not play it or at least stop talking about it. Because your three years of watching VH1 hardly makes you the authority on music that you think you are.

Well put. I wouldn't even state that they "sold out" untill Load. I did enjoy the Black Album somewhat. There were still some good songs that came out of the album....

Phrank-E

07-19-2007, 07:33 AM

Well put. I wouldn't even state that they "sold out" untill Load. I did enjoy the Black Album somewhat. There were still some good songs that came out of the album....

I don't think I came across quite right on that.. I wasn't saying they did sell out.. Just that most people said they did. I don't think they sold out ever.. Just grew in a different direction is all. How boring would a group be if their 20th album was nearly identical to their first.. I just don't have to listen to them past a certain point is all.

I have always maintained that any group has a certain amount of awesomeness in them and one day the well runs dry... So we move on.

All I know is that I will buy any and all Metallica songs they release that came off their first four albums OR Garage Days...

noumenon

07-19-2007, 09:37 AM

Of the 'new' metallica songs I think their cover of Turn the Page would be fun to play. Dont' really know why, but it's fun to play in real life (even though it's pretty straight-foward).

SacroCuore

07-19-2007, 12:00 PM

Imho the best Metallica song 4 Rock Band is SAD BUT TRUE; no compromise. ;)

IbanezBassist_v2

07-20-2007, 06:09 AM

I don't think I came across quite right on that.. I wasn't saying they did sell out.. Just that most people said they did. I don't think they sold out ever.. Just grew in a different direction is all. How boring would a group be if their 20th album was nearly identical to their first.. I just don't have to listen to them past a certain point is all.

I have always maintained that any group has a certain amount of awesomeness in them and one day the well runs dry... So we move on.

All I know is that I will buy any and all Metallica songs they release that came off their first four albums OR Garage Days...

As did I. I never said they did either. Notice the quotation. Only emphasizing what other think or mean.

Jsnkr9216

07-20-2007, 07:18 PM

I LIKE most of the stuff I say wouldn't be fun. I say it wouldn't be fun because IT WOULDN'T ****ING BE FUN.

Because the song they got was a piece of ****.

God, pull your tampon out of your ass and quit *****ing.

They got Metallica. They can't choose which songs they get, they get which songs the band gives them. And they got METALLICA. They were touched by the hand of god that Lars quit being a douche and actually licensed them a song.

There's a reason in GH1 it says "Don't let the drummer handle the money"

People need to quit *****ing and accept the fact they'll get the good, yet popular songs from many of the BIG named bands such as Sabbath, Metallica, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and various other big old bands.

Walk up to/e-mail Lars from Metallica and ask him to license Master Of Puppets for a game he's never heard of, and see what he says. It's about what the bands will give you. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you have to bear with what they give you.

IbanezBassist_v2

07-21-2007, 02:07 AM

Amen. Now why can't the majority of people fathom this?

lithiumkc

07-21-2007, 02:30 AM

Amen. Now why can't the majority of people fathom this?

I suspect the majority do.. It's just usually the whiners that speak up. And they're usually 14 years old!

Phiromos

07-21-2007, 02:33 AM

I suspect the majority do.. It's just usually the whiners that speak up. And they're usually 14 years old!

He's right...im sure the majority of people do fathom this...but they don't say anything becuase the people who win all the arguments dont let up...and they are usually 14 years old...its a shame..and being 15 myself i really shouldn't be talking but i feel that i am mature enough for my age where i can make rational decisions and not haste to argue with everyone i disagree with

lithiumkc

07-21-2007, 02:39 AM

He's right...im sure the majority of people do fathom this...but they don't say anything becuase the people who win all the arguments dont let up...and they are usually 14 years old...its a shame..and being 15 myself i really shouldn't be talking but i feel that i am mature enough for my age where i can make rational decisions and not haste to argue with everyone i disagree with

True, and i don't mean to stereotype age. It's just more likely that a younger audience won't have been exposed to as much music, and won't be able to appreciate it.

I was younger once too.. Hated rap, hated hip hop, techno was crap. Nirvana was THE best band ever and AC/DC was the greatest too. As you grow up.. you learn to give new stuff a chance. You don't hear just the music, but you appreciate the effort put in to making it. You realize that these people deeply believe in the music they're putting out too, otherwise they wouldn't be making music.

The first time you learn to accept something you would never give a chance before, that opens up so many doors and lets you listen to and enjoy a lot more music. That's why I dropped my stagnant opinions on different genres, and I'm glad I did.. Theres a lot of stuff out there you're missing out on by writing off a whole genre based on one or two artists.

Phiromos

07-21-2007, 02:44 AM

True, and i don't mean to stereotype age. It's just more likely that a younger audience won't have been exposed to as much music, and won't be able to appreciate it.

I was younger once too.. Hated rap, hated hip hop, techno was crap. Nirvana was THE best band ever and AC/DC was the greatest too. As you grow up.. you learn to give new stuff a chance. You don't hear just the music, but you appreciate the effort put in to making it. You realize that these people deeply believe in the music they're putting out too, otherwise they wouldn't be making music.

The first time you learn to accept something you would never give a chance before, that opens up so many doors and lets you listen to and enjoy a lot more music. That's why I dropped my stagnant opinions on different genres, and I'm glad I did.. Theres a lot of stuff out there you're missing out on by writing off a whole genre based on one or two artists.

yeah i know...i tend to accept most music...i even like rap now when i despised it last year...but not so much modern rap....its too bad i still dont like metal though...i really should give it a shot..its just im more of an oldies person..the beatles..elvis...i do really like RHCP and bon jovi though..those are probably my three favorites

IbanezBassist_v2

07-21-2007, 02:45 AM

You don't hear just the music, but you appreciate the effort put in to making it. You realize that these people deeply believe in the music they're putting out too, otherwise they wouldn't be making music.

Exactly! People don't know and don't care what it takes to get to that point. They just want the shiny finished product that is a song or album. Artist put their heart and soul into their work. It takes days, weeks, months, and even years for them to work on these. Just for 2-5 minutes of glory (avg). And when its all said and done. You have people like Teh Jakester going around saying this sucks for said reason or none at all. I got something for the likes of you. Try writing or composing something, then have it critiqued to death. Oh but wait! You can't. Thats why you are here on a forum for a game giving us your opinion that none of us really want to hear! Damn the constitution!

Phiromos

07-21-2007, 02:48 AM

Exactly! People don't know and don't care what it takes to get to that point. They just want the shiny finished product that is a song or album. Artist put their heart and soul into their work. It takes days, weeks, months, and even years for them to work on these. Just for 2-5 minutes of glory (avg). And when its all said and done. You have people like Teh Jakester going around saying this sucks for said reason or none at all. I got something for the likes of you. Try writing or composing something, then have it critiqued to death. Oh but wait! You can't. Thats why you are here on a forum for a game giving us your opinion that none of us really want to hear! Damn the constitution!

haha you probably just made the best point i have ever heard on these forums...i say he does give it a shot..and next year when hes done with his ONE song.....we just say its crap and he should go die..see how he feels then

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