[Seeing as I don't see a thread dedicated to it] Star Trek Review time

[Samuel346]

So I saw this last night... Thursday/Friday 12:05 am at the IMAX.

I don't really wanna spoil it for anyone so I won't get too in detail unless asked but...


I would rate this move a 9.5 / 10 IF it was the first Star Trek movie ever...

However it's the 11th movie not including the 29 seasons of 5 different series.

So in the spectrum of the existence of 50 (actual) years of Star trek and all that has gone into it...


I rate this move a -50 / 10.

Why? Because you have completely changed almost every happening in the series ever.

Voyager never happened... because Tuvok was the reason they ended up in the delta quadrant following the Maquis... and his life (or parents life) VERY likely ended with the destruction of Vulcan.

In fact... getting even less specific than that... the whole construction of the Federation could have changed. Vulcans could destroy the Romulans in the same way their home world was destroyed.


The point simply is this... J.J. Abrams wanted to help save the series... and he sees himself as an old school Trekky or some ****...

Well... what did he do here besides completely disrespect everything in the series from the last 50(real) years?


Like I said... GREAT movie...

BAD Star trek movie.

[Cpt. Overkill]

So... good movie if you pretend it isn't Star Trek?

[Renrock]

So... good movie if you pretend it isn't Star Trek?

Yeah , that's what I've been hearing too.

[Samuel346]

So... good movie if you pretend it isn't Star Trek?

Yes.

[Baanu_Rass]

It's a reboot with an in-universe explanation. All the messy crap from the old shows can be cleaned up and retold properly (think Ultimate Spiderman).

[moshun]

I thought it was kind of a cop out with the way they... did things in the movie.. Like as if they used the lame plot twist of it all being a dream or something (which it isn't..).

But I thought the movie was still pretty good and exciting and gave the feeling as if I was watching the old Star Trek with a slight step up from the cheesy blue and green painted aliens hehe

not spoiling anything :p

[Samuel346]

It's a reboot with an in-universe explanation. All the messy crap from the old shows can be cleaned up and retold properly (think Ultimate Spiderman).

Yeah well I don't really like that idea.

Why couldn't they do a Earth-Romulan War movie or something? THAT would of been a much better idea.


Agreed moshun.


ADDITION: But of course now-a-days that's not allowed.... no creative thought at all... let's just redo old movies like all the comic book movies that are re coming out.. and horror movies.

[Baanu_Rass]

Yeah well I don't really like that idea.

Why couldn't they do a Earth-Romulan War movie or something? THAT would of been a much better idea.


Agreed moshun.


ADDITION: But of course now-a-days that's not allowed.... no creative thought at all... let's just redo old movies like all the comic book movies that are re coming out.. and horror movies.

If Star Trek had the same flexibility with their canon that Star Wars does then I would be upset. However, ST has a very rigid canon.

Also, the first universe still exists, it just isn't the one the stories follow anymore. My time travel theory is based on Marvel and the branching timelines. For example, there could be a universe where Kirk falls off the ledge at the start and goes from there.


The only thing I might have trouble with is if that is a new "death" for Spock.

[Samuel346]

If Star Trek had the same flexibility with their canon that Star Wars does then I would be upset. However, ST has a very rigid canon.

Also, the first universe still exists, it just isn't the one the stories follow anymore. My time travel theory is based on Marvel and the branching timelines. For example, there could be a universe where Kirk falls off the ledge at the start and goes from there.


The only thing I might have trouble with is if that is a new "death" for Spock.

I'm sorry I just think it's really cheesy.

There's so much of the story that is untold and yet they take the easy way out so they can make some new movies with Kirk that could literally be NOTHING like the old Star Trek.


Really lame.

[Baanu_Rass]

I'm sorry I just think it's really cheesy.

There's so much of the story that is untold and yet they take the easy way out so they can make some new movies with Kirk that could literally be NOTHING like the old Star Trek.


Really lame.

This is exactly what I would say if they did it for SW. It must be my detachment from ST that allows me not to feel ripped off. I really need to watch more ST: TNG episodes.

[aremis]

J.J. Abrams wanted to help save the series... and he sees himself as an old school Trekky or some ****...

Abrams never claimed he was a Treky at any time. If you watched his TV interviews, or read his print interviews in reference to the movie, he specifically stated that he was never a fan of the series - Not the Original, not the remakes, and specifically, couldn't stand the movie versions they had already done.
He was a Star Wars fan, and wanted to inject new life into the Trek franchise, that would give it a new direction that fans as well as non-fans could sink their teeth into.

Personally, I couldn't stand Voyager (Worst series ending ever), DS:9 was absolutely horrible. NG was great. The original still remains untouchable (except for the animated version which ran for I believe 2 seasons).

But like any movie, this new one is intended to bring new fans in. If they had stuck to the die-hard storylines that fans expected, the movie would fail to bring in the ticket sales that the Producers expect - resulting in no further movies.

I personally loved it...AS a Star Trek movie.

[Nitz13]

I agree completely. The movie felt rushed, and people were getting promoted left, right, and centre for no reasons.

[Samuel346]

Abrams never claimed he was a Treky at any time. If you watched his TV interviews, or read his print interviews in reference to the movie, he specifically stated that he was never a fan of the series - Not the Original, not the remakes, and specifically, couldn't stand the movie versions they had already done.
He was a Star Wars fan, and wanted to inject new life into the Trek franchise, that would give it a new direction that fans as well as non-fans could sink their teeth into.

Personally, I couldn't stand Voyager (Worst series ending ever), DS:9 was absolutely horrible. NG was great. The original still remains untouchable (except for the animated version which ran for I believe 2 seasons).

But like any movie, this new one is intended to bring new fans in. If they had stuck to the die-hard storylines that fans expected, the movie would fail to bring in the ticket sales that the Producers expect - resulting in no further movies.

I personally loved it...AS a Star Trek movie.

Not exactly true...



Abrams had not seen Star Trek Nemesis because the franchise had "disconnected" for him,[62] explaining that for him, Star Trek was about Kirk and Spock, and the other series were like "separate space adventure[s] with the name Star Trek". Abrams also preferred Star Wars as a child.[63] He noted his general knowledge of Star Trek made him suitable to making a film to introduce the franchise to newcomers though,[64] and being an optimistic person, he felt the optimistic nature of Star Trek would be a refreshing contrast to the likes of The Dark Knight.[2] He continued that he loved the focus on exploration in Star Trek and the idea of the Prime Directive, which forbids Starfleet to interfere in the development of primitive worlds. However, Abrams disliked that the budgetary limitations of the original show meant they "never had the resources to actually show the adventure".[65] He noted he only became involved with the project as producer initially because he wanted to help Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof.[56]
Per the new movie's wikipedia supported by sources. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_(film)


You see he took Star trek and decided that anything after the 60's version "ToS" was stupid and not worthy of how he saw it. Therefore he put a big F U sticker on TNG, DS9, and Voyager and all ten previous movies. But at the same time doing the F U sticker to ToS as well.

Moreover... if you watched DS9 in it's entirety... it's one of the best series with the war.

AS far as Voyager... they knew that Star trek was going to be ending... so they had to explain how the Borg weren't going to be able to destroy the Federation. By destroying that conduit... they prevented the Borg from getting to that side of the galaxy.


Same goes with Nemesis. They knew the whole franchise was going to be coming to an end... so they explain how the Romulans became no longer a threat.


But now of course... with the brilliant ideas of J.J. Abrams... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

None of that happened.

And who knows... maybe Picard doesn't even become a captain.









I agree completely. The movie felt rushed, and people were getting promoted left, right, and centre for no reasons.

That's another thing.

Hi how are ya? Never been an Ensign? How's commander sound? [What?]

[metalhead27]

I think this reboot is an alternate universe take as a reason to avoid continuity issues, which I can understand, even though there's still oversights (why is no one surprised by what Romulans look like? Heck, why do these Romulans look weird?). It sidesteps post-TOS (well, even TOS) Trek, not totally invalidates. I do question how much Abrams likes Trek vs. just sci-fi adventures though. As many crappy Trek movies and shows there's been, Trek IS bigger than the Kirk-Spock-McCoy triangle, and the other shows (TNG and DS9 at least) have merit too, which Abrams doesn't seem to care for.

The biggest sin of the film is it isn't trying to say anything beyond have a good time, a good time, while most Trek, even bad Trek, has some musing about the human condition, wrestling with philosophical ideas or social commentary thrown in with the adventure. That seems to go over Abrams head, which is a shame since that the defining element of Trek. Like Robert Ebert wrote, it abandons classic sci-fi for space opera.

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

Hoo boy, I knew that this movie was going to end up causing reactions like this.

[BevoTheWarrior]

Wow, there's a lot of negativity here. All I'll say is I'm a long time Star Trek fan and I loved the movie.

[ArchangelZero]

I really didn't understand the whole plot...is it some kind of alternate universe? Is Spock really in the past? Did Romulus really blow up?

WHAT THE ****...GENE RODDENBERRY IS WEEPING SOMEWHERE...:(

It really didn't do justice to what Star Trek is...I doubt this movie will be caught as canon, probably a mere afterthought. There is no point in a reboot from a series that just needs a new installment. All of that hard work that Roddenberry had...if this is canon, all of that work goes to waste...

It was worked out to be a "21st century type" of movie, which is not all that bad...if it was any other Sci-Fi flick. However, this is Star Trek, and without it's classic Sci-Fi feel...it's not that good, it just becomes generic sci-fi...with all appealing to the good time idea of this generation, with new moral issue that helps make Star Trek what it is...

I guess that's why I loved First Contact...it had one of the best storylines ever created, with the moral issues and still coolness, as Stewart brilliantly captured Picard and mixed in the Ahab and the emotion in the movie, it was great. In proves Jonathan Frakes is a good director and should have been brought in for this one.

[ffwarrior47]

i never liked star trek.

i thought the movie was awesome.

[ArchangelZero]

Okay, I'm happy now. I just found out that the movie takes place in an alternate timeline, and the original timeline is not affected in any way. That means Vulcan is alive, and Spock still lives....

Thank God.

[war_lord]

I've been a Trekkie since about age 7 (now 26), and enjoyed every series, including the often-hated Voyager and Enterprise. I have to say that the new movie was great as well. My fiancee (not a Trekkie by any means) thought it was great as well, even though I had to practically drag her into the theater to watch it.

That said, the new movie boils down to this...

If you try to make a prequel that is "true" (as you seem to put it) to the original Star Trek universe, and there will be multitudes of Trekkies armed and ready to proclaim all of the flaws in it... similar to the way Star Wars fans blasted continuity errors in the Phantom Menace when it first came out.

If you choose to create an *Alternate* Star Trek universe, then those same Trekkies will get ticked that you did so... but at least you can get the reasonable ones plus new fans who aren't yet Trekkies to watch it. You can now take the characters and make personality twists and have them be reasonable, since the events that have occured in their lives are now different.

Of course, they probably could have just created a new Trek line altogether with new characters and a new ship... but then who would really watch it?

[ArchangelZero]

I've been a Trekkie since about age 7 (now 26), and enjoyed every series, including the often-hated Voyager and Enterprise. I have to say that the new movie was great as well. My fiancee (not a Trekkie by any means) thought it was great as well, even though I had to practically drag her into the theater to watch it.

That said, the new movie boils down to this...

If you try to make a prequel that is "true" (as you seem to put it) to the original Star Trek universe, and there will be multitudes of Trekkies armed and ready to proclaim all of the flaws in it... similar to the way Star Wars fans blasted continuity errors in the Phantom Menace when it first came out.

If you choose to create an *Alternate* Star Trek universe, then those same Trekkies will get ticked that you did so... but at least you can get the reasonable ones plus new fans who aren't yet Trekkies to watch it. You can now take the characters and make personality twists and have them be reasonable, since the events that have occured in their lives are now different.

Of course, they probably could have just created a new Trek line altogether with new characters and a new ship... but then who would really watch it?

It is a different timeline. It's been stated by the writers that this takes place in a different timeline than the shows and other movies, which means none of this occurs in the main universe we all know and love.

I don't understand why people hated Voyager. Enterprise...I liked it a bit, not too much. I'm not too in to prequels. Although, Jolene Blalock as a sexy Vulcan lightened the air a bit...:D

But Voyager was good. It took the whole exploration idea to new ground. DS9 took the dark thoughts of war. The good and the bad were balanced as they splintered out of TNG. TNG, I think, was a premonition series, with elements of both. But I really liked Voyager and the ideas it presented.

[Runesmith]

I've been a Trekkie since about age 7 (now 26), and enjoyed every series, including the often-hated Voyager and Enterprise. I have to say that the new movie was great as well. My fiancee (not a Trekkie by any means) thought it was great as well, even though I had to practically drag her into the theater to watch it.

Same here. I never really understood why people hated Enterprise so much.

[BevoTheWarrior]

It is a different timeline. It's been stated by the writers that this takes place in a different timeline than the shows and other movies, which means none of this occurs in the main universe we all know and love.


Exactly. And the new timeline is not a bad thing. If the new movie stayed in the original timeline, any new Star Trek movies would just be retelling stories we've already seen. That would be boring and no one would bother watching.

[ArchangelZero]

Exactly. And the new timeline is not a bad thing. If the new movie stayed in the original timeline, any new Star Trek movies would just be retelling stories we've already seen. That would be boring and no one would bother watching.

Well, that's true, but I'm just happy that TNG, VOY, DS9, and the rest of the movies haven't been erased from existance...:D

[citric_bullets]

Just to throw my hat into the ring, I saw Star Trek with some of my friends Thursday night, solely because we had nothing better to do, and it was the only decent looking movie that was playing at that time (the last round of showtimes). I'm not a Star Trek fan by any means. I'm familiar with the basic structure of the show, but I can safely say I've never legitimately sat down and watched an entire episode or movie. But even as such, I appreciate how they separated this film from the original timeline, and I understand how it was ultimately necessary to make the movie work.

Of course, bottom line, I loved the movie, it was incredibly exciting, with just enough action, while still making me actually care about the characters.

[Samuel346]

Okay, I'm happy now. I just found out that the movie takes place in an alternate timeline, and the original timeline is not affected in any way. That means Vulcan is alive, and Spock still lives....

Thank God.

Now I actually completely hate the movie.

-100000000000 / 10


LET'S NOT COME UP WITH A NEW IDEA.... LET'S JUST REDO IT IN A WAY THAT IS COMPLETELY CHEESY AND THOUGHTLESS IN EVERY WAY. UGH.



Same here. I never really understood why people hated Enterprise so much.

I thought Enterprise was the most interesting series.

[Cubecubed]

seeing as i dont give rats ass about any of the original star treks,and am only going to see this because JJ Abrams is involved,i think ill like it.

[Samuel346]

seeing as i dont give rats ass about any of the original star treks,and am only going to see this because JJ Abrams is involved,i think ill like it.

Also... what's so great about this guy? "Fringe" and "Lost" suck.

[Cubecubed]

"Lost" suck.

and now your opinion will never matter to me again

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

LET'S NOT COME UP WITH A NEW IDEA.... LET'S JUST REDO IT IN A WAY THAT IS COMPLETELY CHEESY AND THOUGHTLESS IN EVERY WAY. UGH.

What else could they have done? What else could they have possibly done that wouldn't twist the panties of Star Trek fans?

[Samuel346]

and now your opinion will never matter to me again

How will I continue to live?:rolleyes:


I don't like new TV shows... House was the only network television show since Home Improvement that I liked... and they screwed that up of course.



What else could they have done? What else could they have possibly done that wouldn't twist the panties of Star Trek fans?

The Earth-Romulan War is an idea that comes to mind.

This IS cheesy. Come on now... just think about it.

It's just like remaking all these stupid comic book movies... not actually coming up with an idea... just ripping off it. By "creating an alternate universe" he can do whatever he wants to the series and not have to explain anything.... ******ed.

[ArchangelZero]

Also... what's so great about this guy? "Fringe" and "Lost" suck.

Lost didn't suck. Fringe on the other hand didn't make sense to me. He's a good director, but not such a good Trekker. I believe he did what he did to appeal to the larger audience, in turn pissing off Trek fans to some extent.

It's funny how "Fringe" was in direct competition with "Heroes" which refrenced Star Trek and Lost numerous times...weird...

[Cubecubed]

Lost is the best show on TV.no contest.dont bash it just because it confuses you.

[Samuel346]

Lost is the best show on TV.no contest.dont bash it just because it confuses you.

Never said it confused me... merely said that TV shows now-a-days are terrible.

The best out of terrible... is still terrible.

[Cubecubed]

Never said it confused me... merely said that TV shows now-a-days are terrible.

The best out of terrible... is still terrible.

Were in the golden age of TV,brother. TV shows have never been as good as they are now:Lost,Scrubs,Mad Men,Breaking Bad and many many more.

[Samuel346]

Were in the golden age of TV,brother. TV shows have never been as good as they are now:Lost,Scrubs,Mad Men,Breaking Bad and many many more.

Scrubs is stupid. Wow.

Dude... no.


Never even heard of Man Men, breaking bad? Never even heard of it.

Sorry... I can't even sit down and watch this crap anymore. I watch reruns from the 90's and sports... that's it.

[Cubecubed]

Scrubs is stupid. Wow.

Dude... no.


Never even heard of Man Men, breaking bad? Never even heard of it.

Sorry... I can't even sit down and watch this crap anymore. I watch reruns from the 90's and sports... that's it.

the 90s was easily the worst period in TV,EVER. When crap like Home improvement and Roseanne is popuar you know TV is bad.

Scrubs is the show that best mixes comedy and drama that ive seen.No other shoe comes close in that regard.

[Samuel346]

Right....




Back to Star Trek... or any movie anymore.




New ideas are bad. That's all I have received from this experience.


Why think when you can just redo?

[Cubecubed]

Scrubs is stupid. Wow.

Dude... no.


Never even heard of Man Men, breaking bad? Never even heard of it.

Sorry... I can't even sit down and watch this crap anymore. I watch reruns from the 90's and sports... that's it.


Right....




Back to Star Trek... or any movie anymore.





no i think we need to discuss your horrible taste in TV shows.

[Samuel346]

no i think we need to discuss your horrible taste in TV shows.

Let's discuss how pathetic it is that 90% of movies that come out now are remakes.

Are we in the golden age of Movies too?

[Cubecubed]

Let's discuss how pathetic it is that 90% of movies that come out now are remakes.

Are we in the golden age of Movies too?

that is a definite no. tbh,the 90's was the golden age of movies.

[Gowienczyk]

Alternate Realities rule, you can expect a complete canon adaption as much as you want; but people who are open to new ideas outside of walled canon will enjoy this film. Yes, the time travel thing was cliche; but the way it was performed was good and I personally think this open a new branch of ideas. Yes, they could of just made this a new sci-fi "epic" series. But they didn't and I won't gripe like that. As a writer I didn't like the base, but I liked the writing. (base meaning the time traveling cliche)

I thoroughly enjoyed this film and so did my 64-year old father who adored the original series and the next generation. :)

[Samuel346]

Alternate Realities rule, you can expect a complete canon adaption as much as you want; but people who are open to new ideas outside of walled canon will enjoy this film. Yes, the time travel thing was cliche; but the way it was performed was good and I personally think this open a new branch of ideas. Yes, they could of just made this a new sci-fi "epic" series. But they didn't and I won't gripe like that. As a writer I didn't like the base, but I liked the writing. (base meaning the time traveling cliche)

I thoroughly enjoyed this film and so did my 64-year old father who adored the original series and the next generation. :)

Alternate Realities are bullsh*t way of not coming up with new ideas.

[Gowienczyk]

Alternate Realities are bullsh*t way of not coming up with new ideas.

Not really, as a writer I don't agree at all. Alternate Realities are ways to show a different universe than canon and give a story new perspective. You can be arrogant about it, but whatever. You can be a stick in the mud and not accept progressive ideas.

[Samuel346]

Not really, as a writer I don't agree at all. Alternate Realities are ways to show a different universe than canon and give a story new perspective. You can be arrogant about it, but whatever. You can be a stick in the mud and not accept progressive ideas.

How is it a progressive idea to take something from the 60's and rewrite it and change whatever you want with the term "alternate universe"?

[Gowienczyk]

How is it a progressive idea to take something from the 60's and rewrite it and change whatever you want with the term "alternate universe"?

It's a progressive idea to give any concept's viewers a completely altered and different perspective.

[Samuel346]

It's a progressive idea to give any concept's viewers a completely altered and different perspective.

Well... let's not confuse progressive for good ;]

[Gowienczyk]

I thought the film was really good outside of the "lol time travel" cliche. Was it perfect? No. Was it entertaining? Yes. Was it confusing? No. But I think whenever Mass Effects film adaption comes out that's when we will experience the best sci-fi film of this generation. :)

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

The Earth-Romulan War is an idea that comes to mind.

I asked for one that wouldn't twist the panties of Star Trek fans. You didn't supply it at all.

See? I, too, can be unreasonable.

[Samuel346]

I asked for one that wouldn't twist the panties of Star Trek fans. You didn't supply it at all.

See? I, too, can be unreasonable.

How is it being unreasonable by not wanting a movie that redoes everything with a stupid explanation?

[bmaninc]

I don't like Star Trek AT ALL. Would you recommend the movie to me?

[Samuel346]

I don't like Star Trek AT ALL. Would you recommend the movie to me?

Yep. If you read my review you would know that.

[Gowienczyk]

I don't like Star Trek AT ALL. Would you recommend the movie to me?

Yes.

[bmaninc]

I asked for an answer, and I got attitude for no reason.

I read the review, it said good movie, but bad Star Trek movie. You never said anything about how people who don't even like Star Trek would like this movie, at least I didn't see it.

Thanks, Gowie, anyways.

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

How is it being unreasonable by not wanting a movie that redoes everything with a stupid explanation?

You mean like flesh out past events that were only touched upon briefly? Kinda like the prequel trilogy from Star Wars? We certainly know how those turned out.

[Samuel346]

I read the review, it said good movie, but bad Star Trek movie.


I think that you just answered your own question.

[Gowienczyk]

I asked for an answer, and I got attitude for no reason.

I read the review, it said good movie, but bad Star Trek movie. You never said anything about how people who don't even like Star Trek would like this movie, at least I didn't see it.

Thanks, Gowie, anyways.

It's perfect for the non-fan, I think. The pace is fast, the action is great and the effects are crisp and outside of the time-traveling cliche the writing is top notch, imo. :)

[Gowienczyk]

You mean like flesh out past events that were only touched upon briefly? Kinda like the prequel trilogy from Star Wars? We certainly know how those turned out.

Didn't Star Trek try to do that with the show Enterprise anyway?

[Samuel346]

You mean like flesh out past events that were only touched upon briefly? Kinda like the prequel trilogy from Star Wars? We certainly know how those turned out.

At least those didn't rewrite 4 - 6.


Didn't Star Trek try to do that with the show Enterprise anyway?


Kinda. But it didn't rewrite everything with a stupid explanation.

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

Didn't Star Trek try to do that with the show Enterprise anyway?

And we all know how that turned out, now didn't we?

Sometimes fans just can't be pleased no matter what.

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

At least those didn't rewrite 4 - 6.

From what I gather and from what you yourself have said, this movie doesn't rewrite ANYTHING.

You act as if an alternate universe is anything new.

[Samuel346]

And we all know how that turned out, now didn't we?

Sometimes fans just can't be pleased no matter what.

I thought it was completely disrespectful to the series to destroy the 50 years of history and then using a cop-out. Because... it is.

[Gowienczyk]

And we all know how that turned out, now didn't we?

Sometimes fans just can't be pleased no matter what.

Scott Bakula ruled at the show, though.

[Gowienczyk]

I thought it was completely disrespectful to the series to destroy the 50 years of history and then using a cop-out. Because... it is.

ITT: Sam being overdramatic! :)

[Cubecubed]

ITT: Sam being overdramatic! :)

what is this ITT thing youve been doing lately?

[Gowienczyk]

Lately? Twice in one day is that often? and ITT is common forum slang anyway.

[Samuel346]

what is this ITT thing youve been doing lately?

4 chan



The fact is that I was born in the wrong time. People no longer have respect for history or... well really... anything anymore.

[Gowienczyk]

4 chan

That's probably where the term originated, yeah.

[Cubecubed]

4 chan





i stay as far away from 4chan as humanly possible. and tbh this is the first forum ive posted on regularly.

[Gowienczyk]

i stay as far away from 4chan as humanly possible. and tbh this is the first forum ive posted on regularly.

No wonder your such a overdramatic lightweight! :p

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

I thought it was completely disrespectful to the series to destroy the 50 years of history and then using a cop-out. Because... it is.

Only they didn't destroy it. At all. It is still there if you so choose. Which is, y'know, the reason why this is an AU. If it were to retell the past events and say that this is what actually happened, then your cries would be justified.

Right now you are just going "They did something I don't like that in no way does anything to the past."


The fact is that I was born in the wrong time. People no longer have respect for history or... well really... anything anymore.

It would probably be good if you got off your high horse already.

[Cubecubed]

No wonder your such a overdramatic lightweight! :p

i assume you are quite the forum junkie. i tend to treat people on forums like i would i real life,you know,with respect.I just havent been part of the forum scene long enough,i guess :)

[Samuel346]

It would probably be good if you got off your high horse already.

We live in a time where all the "good movies" are nothing more than a remake.

Christ... I didn't like Twilight but they changed characters and different information... for no reason... from the book.

[Gowienczyk]

i assume you are quite the forum junkie. i tend to treat people on forums like i would i real life,you know,with respect.I just havent been part of the forum scene long enough,i guess :)

I've been on message boards off and on since I was like twelve. (2001 or so) I have also regulared a somewat popular music forum since 2005 and music forums are always fun. :) If people actually tried to talk to me with some logic, I wouldn't come off as such a "douche" really.

But I guess I'm just a bit too honest, huh?

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

We live in a time where all the "good movies" are nothing more than a remake.

Christ... I didn't like Twilight but they changed characters and different information... for no reason... from the book.

Except those movies don't end up getting those 'prestigious awards,' now do they?

I, for one, would have thought that you already knew that popular doesn't equal good.

[Gowienczyk]

We live in a time where all the "good movies" are nothing more than a remake.

Christ... I didn't like Twilight but they changed characters and different information... for no reason... from the book.

Yes, because films like Smart People are remakes, right? :rolleyes:

[Cubecubed]

I've been on message boards off and on since I was like twelve. (2001 or so) I have also regulared a somewat popular music forum since 2005 and music forums are always fun. :) If people actually tried to talk to me with some logic, I wouldn't come off as such a "douche" really.

But I guess I'm just a bit too honest, huh?

eh,maybe i just need to develop a thicker skin.

[Gowienczyk]

eh,maybe i just need to develop a thicker skin.

It'll come with experience and time.

[Baanu_Rass]

Alternate Realities are bullsh*t way of not coming up with new ideas.

You (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_Of_Apocalypse) are (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_future_past) wrong. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_m)

[Samuel346]

You (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_Of_Apocalypse) are (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_future_past) wrong. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_m)

Explain how any of that makes me wrong?

[Baanu_Rass]

Explain how any of that makes me wrong?

They are alternate realities that allowed the writers to tell stories that would be impossible in the mainstream time line.

[Baanu_Rass]

lol @ star trek nerds bawing about an inaccurate movie

find better things to cry about

Oh no! I guess I forgot I need to be in serious business mode all the time.

[Runesmith]

lol @ star trek nerds bawing about an inaccurate movie

find better things to cry about

Just to show you how much of a nerd I am, that word should be geek, not nerd. :D

[Baanu_Rass]

I endured doom, you can endure another bad star trek movie

Doom? Besides, I liked it.

^To me nerds are more into it than geeks. However, because we aren't arguing over numbers/details this would be a geek fight.

[benson111]

I liked it. Thats really all that matters. Who really cares for the "Time Line". Hate it for whatever reason you deem necessary. Great movie, and well acted, and stands alone quite well.

[Baanu_Rass]

Doom has a story that can be completely conveyed in one sentence.

Demons from hell invade Mars and a lone space marine stops them.

How could that be turned into a movie without being different from the source?

[macamatic]

This movie was Star Trek, updated for the 21st century without the heavy-handed tolerance lessons and stale acting and spawning a new, darker take on it. Bad. Ass.

I loved it and I want to go see it again in IMAX.

Sam: Abrams was creating his own Trek-based universe that was much darker and more fascinating. In order to appease the Trekkies, he made it an alternate universe. Christopher Nolan did the same thing but didn't bother to do anything with an alternate universe.

[DethTung]

Star Trek is the best live-action movie I've ever seen! I just saw it today.

[Cubecubed]

Star Trek is the best live-action movie I've ever seen! I just saw it today.

no offense,but you need to see more movies apparently.

[DethTung]

I've seen plenty of them. In fact, counting live-action only, I've seen all of the Star Wars episodes besides Episode III, parts of the first two Matrix movies, Batman Begins...it's mostly sci-fi and superhero stuff.

[Ferocious Q]

i thought Star Trek was kinda stupid, kinda lame, and kinda for nerds, but I saw the movie and thought it kicked ass.

[timmay9]

If you think anything tops The Empire Strikes Back then there is something wrong with you.

[DethTung]

If you think anything tops The Empire Strikes Back then there is something wrong with you.

As System of a Down might say...

All research and successful studies show
That TESB is good

But it's still not as great as
Star Trek of 2009!

Thank you, SOAD. They just ripped off their own song to prove my point.

[timmay9]

As System of a Down might say...

All research and successful studies show
That TESB is good

But it's still not as great as
Star Trek of 2009!

Thank you, SOAD. They just ripped off their own song to prove my point.

Wait...What?

[ArchangelZero]

Hmm...is it just me, or has Star Trek suddenly become next cool thing? All thanks to unravelling 50 years of Gene Roddenberry's work in one giant spectacle....oohh the irony... Great movie, however, doesn't do justice to Gene's vision.

[mysticneji]

Doom has a story that can be completely conveyed in one sentence.

Demons from hell invade Mars and a lone space marine stops them.

How could that be turned into a movie without being different from the source?

Because in the movie it was a virus or something like that which was turning people into those creatures. Meaning they completely threw out the demons from hell part of the game.

On topic though, I haven't seen Star Trek yet but I will be seeing it Monday. I'm really looking forward to it. I'll be seeing that and X-Men Origins: Wolverine so it should be a good day.

[metalhead27]

Hmm...is it just me, or has Star Trek suddenly become next cool thing?

LOL, I was just discussing that the other day. Between this movie and the Star Wars prequals it's getting the point Trek is cooler, which sounds pretty f-ing weird. :eek:

Opinions are opinions, but after the hype dies down I don't think anyone's going to mention this movie in the same breath as Empire. Wrath of Kahn is still probably the best Trek movie, although the special effects look pretty dated now.

[BevoTheWarrior]

Wrath of Kahn is still probably the best Trek movie, although the special effects look pretty dated now.

I just watched Wrath of Kahn a couple of months ago and yeah, the effects are dated, but it still holds up very well.

[Daemius]

I liked the movie. That being said, I've only ever seen a couple episodes of the original series and none of the later series.


I fervently disagree with people that hate on alternate universes. Alternate universes are amazing. They're what allow stories like those told in the Exiles comic series to be.

A lot of the complaints here seem to be from hard core fans that can't step back and understand that this wasn't a movie for hard core fans necessarily; it was for newcomers.

I didn't like the Wolverine movie at all, being a huge X-Men fan, but I can understand why people like it and I didn't come on the forums after seeing it to ***** and bite people's head off when they disagreed with me :p

[ArchangelZero]

I liked the movie. That being said, I've only ever seen a couple episodes of the original series and none of the later series.


I fervently disagree with people that hate on alternate universes. Alternate universes are amazing. They're what allow stories like those told in the Exiles comic series to be.

A lot of the complaints here seem to be from hard core fans that can't step back and understand that this wasn't a movie for hard core fans necessarily; it was for newcomers.

I didn't like the Wolverine movie at all, being a huge X-Men fan, but I can understand why people like it and I didn't come on the forums after seeing it to ***** and bite people's head off when they disagreed with me :p

I'm completely fine with alternate universes, I love them. They made me happy about the fact that 50 years of Star Trek wasn't disposed in one movie. And it was a good movie, even as I am a great Trek fan.

But to bring up an earlier statement of mine:

Hmm...is it just me, or has Star Trek suddenly become next cool thing? All thanks to unravelling 50 years of Gene Roddenberry's work in one giant spectacle....oohh the irony... Great movie, however, doesn't do justice to Gene's vision.

The reason for this is because, while Star Trek is good with excitement and action, what really pulls it over is characterization and morality. The challenge to ideals that was expressed in classics like "The Wrath of Khan" and "First Contact". This movie made a lot of sense to newcomers, but now that the first movie is over, I would suggest to whoever is writing and directing the next one, that the sequel focus on characterization and the issue of morality that helps define what Star Trek is...and do justice to Gene...

[zack10house]

I've never been a Star Trek fan (in fact, I hated every single one people tried to show me) but the movie was excellent. If JJ Abrams is doing the second one (which IS currently being written) I'll definitely stick with this series and maybe give some of the classics a second chance.

[Samuel346]

I'm completely fine with alternate universes, I love them. They made me happy about the fact that 50 years of Star Trek wasn't disposed in one movie. And it was a good movie, even as I am a great Trek fan.

But to bring up an earlier statement of mine:

Hmm...is it just me, or has Star Trek suddenly become next cool thing? All thanks to unravelling 50 years of Gene Roddenberry's work in one giant spectacle....oohh the irony... Great movie, however, doesn't do justice to Gene's vision.

The reason for this is because, while Star Trek is good with excitement and action, what really pulls it over is characterization and morality. The challenge to ideals that was expressed in classics like "The Wrath of Khan" and "First Contact". This movie made a lot of sense to newcomers, but now that the first movie is over, I would suggest to whoever is writing and directing the next one, that the sequel focus on characterization and the issue of morality that helps define what Star Trek is...and do justice to Gene...

Alternate universes are nothing but a cop out to not have to come up with new ideas that fit within the current mold.

Directors/Producers/Writers... they don't have any creativity anymore BECAUSE THEY AREN'T REQUIRED TO.

Why think when you can remake?

[ArchangelZero]

Alternate universes are nothing but a cop out to not have to come up with new ideas that fit within the current mold.

Directors/Producers/Writers... they don't have any creativity anymore BECAUSE THEY AREN'T REQUIRED TO.

Why think when you can remake?

I'm completely against a remake of this due to no extension of canonicity and 50 years of work going down the drain.

[Samuel346]

I'm completely against a remake of this due to no extension of canonicity and 50 years of work going down the drain.

That's exactly what I've been saying since the get go.

[ArchangelZero]

That's exactly what I've been saying since the get go.

Then you contradict what you say. It seems like you'd hate this movie in whatever direction it went, because you like the Trek universe the way it is, and you don't want it to change.

[Samuel346]

Then you contradict what you say. It seems like you'd hate this movie in whatever direction it went, because you like the Trek universe the way it is, and you don't want it to change.

dude.... I stated that the movie was extremely entertaining and if it wasn't "Star Trek" I wouldn't have a problem.

I rated the MOVIE for MOVIE qualities as a 9.5/10 but as a Star Trek movie as -50000000000000000000000 / 10.

[ArchangelZero]

dude.... I stated that the movie was extremely entertaining and if it wasn't "Star Trek" I wouldn't have a problem.

I rated the MOVIE for MOVIE qualities as a 9.5/10 but as a Star Trek movie as -50000000000000000000000 / 10.

That's exactly what I mean. You'd hate it as a Star Trek movie because you'd much rather have them make a brand new adventure all together rather than destroying what has stood as a great achievement, a mark on television, the canon material that you loved for so long...

[Samuel346]

That's exactly what I mean. You'd hate it as a Star Trek movie because you'd much rather have them make a brand new adventure all together rather than destroying what has stood as a great achievement, a mark on television, for so long...at least, that's what you think it is.

That's part of it. The other part of it is that fact that every movie now-a-days is nothing but a remake.


When I went to the theater Thursday at 12:05am I was thinking I was going to see something that happened when Kirk was young... not some cop-out alternate bull**** because we have no imagination that literally ruins everything that has ever happened in the saga (except Star Trek: Enterprise)

[Gowienczyk]

That's part of it. The other part of it is that fact that every movie now-a-days is nothing but a remake.

You really are talking out of your ass and know nothing of which you speak. I can name tons of original film material.


Alternate universes are nothing but a cop out to not have to come up with new ideas that fit within the current mold.

This is an arrogant and narrow-minded view and as I've said many times how alternate realities are far from a 'cop out'.

[Apples]

Time travel has been done to death in the recent canon of the series.

Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Generations, Star Trek: First Contact... at least a dozen instances in TNG and related series.

Get a new plot mechanic.


Really they had a great movie going up until they blew up Vulcan and went into this contrived time travel business.

[Gowienczyk]

Time travel has been done to death in the recent canon of the series.

Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Generations, Star Trek: First Contact... at least a dozen instances in TNG and related series.

Get a new plot mechanic.

Really they had a great movie going up until they blew up Vulcan and went into this contrived time travel business.

I definitely agree that the time travel cliche was most irritating and dull, but I think the writing outside of that and the performances all made up for it.

[Baanu_Rass]

they blew up Vulcan

Eh, they had it coming.

Also, would people have liked it better if they just rebooted the series like Batman? This method allows them to still make stories in the original universe but now they have this for all the mainstream people.

[Apples]

I definitely agree that the time travel cliche was most irritating and dull, but I think the writing outside of that and the performances all made up for it.

See, I find the plot to have all sorts of holes in it. If the red matter in Spock's ship was such a destructive force, he would have self destructed the ship rather than let it fall into enemy hands. He is the one who coined the phrase "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

Also, what was he doing just "hanging out" in a cave on an ice planet? It's not like he had any shelter, food, or supplies to survive there.

And then the whole teleporting light years away to get back on the ship completely breaks all the previously established rules from the series.

[Oscar-Rio]

is this movie ok for people who don't know anything about star trek?

i've never watched a movie or an episode of it before, will i be confused with this movie? Will it be full of little hints and quirky links to the previous shows/films?

[Gowienczyk]

See, I find the plot to have all sorts of holes in it. If the red matter in Spock's ship was such a destructive force, he would have self destructed the ship rather than let it fall into enemy hands.

This is true, I admit I had not thought of this hole before.


is this movie ok for people who don't know anything about star trek?

i've never watched a movie or an episode of it before, will i be confused with this movie? Will it be full of little hints and quirky links to the previous shows/films?

There is a few nods to the original series, but overall you don't need source material to appreciate or understand the film.


Also, what was he doing just "hanging out" in a cave on an ice planet? It's not like he had any shelter, food, or supplies to survive there.

They had thrown him on the planet to watch the destruction of Vulcan from a distance and he hadn't been there that much longer before Kirk's appearance. He was probably making way to the federation outpost when well... you know. That wasn't a hole.

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

When I went to the theater Thursday at 12:05am I was thinking I was going to see something that happened when Kirk was young... not some cop-out alternate bull**** because we have no imagination that literally ruins everything that has ever happened in the saga (except Star Trek: Enterprise)

Sounds like you weren't keeping tabs on the movie at all before release.

[Baanu_Rass]

See, I find the plot to have all sorts of holes in it. If the red matter in Spock's ship was such a destructive force, he would have self destructed the ship rather than let it fall into enemy hands.

Indeed. The needs of the many and all that jazz.

As for the ice planet thing I think that Nero marooned him there. It's no Ceti Alpha V but it works.

[Gowienczyk]

Indeed. The needs of the many and all that jazz.

As for the ice planet thing I think that Nero marooned him there. It's no Ceti Alpha V but it works.

The ice planet thing was perfectly explained in the movie, really.

[Baanu_Rass]

is this movie ok for people who don't know anything about star trek?

i've never watched a movie or an episode of it before, will i be confused with this movie? Will it be full of little hints and quirky links to the previous shows/films?

I've seen one original series TV show and the even numbered movies. You'll be fine if you understand some of the basics (warp travel, transporters etc.).


Sounds like you weren't keeping tabs on the movie at all before release.

I actually never look up info on movies/games/shows. I also somehow didn't understand that one line in the trailer.

"James T. Kirk was a great man, but that was a different time."

[Jaden-San]

<_< ..... >_> ....... Yup... waiting 'til DVD....

[metalhead27]

I just watched Wrath of Kahn a couple of months ago and yeah, the effects are dated, but it still holds up very well.

Oh yeah, the naval battle at the end is great, as is Richardo Montalban and Nimoy (Spock! :()

[Samuel346]

You guys wanna talk about stupid inaccuracies in the movie and such.

I have a perfect one.


Spock said he came back in time about 125 years.... that would be almost the exact time frame of end of DS9/Voyager. [Considering the old Kirk/Spock {ToS} were about 70 years from the start of TNG]

Anyone wanna explain to me at what point the Romulans had "mining ships"[We all know that Romulans were very war-like and therefore their war ships would logically be just as big and powerful] that were 500 times[or larger] the size of anything the Federation had?

[ArchangelZero]

See, I find the plot to have all sorts of holes in it. If the red matter in Spock's ship was such a destructive force, he would have self destructed the ship rather than let it fall into enemy hands. He is the one who coined the phrase "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

Also, what was he doing just "hanging out" in a cave on an ice planet? It's not like he had any shelter, food, or supplies to survive there.

And then the whole teleporting light years away to get back on the ship completely breaks all the previously established rules from the series.

I think the black hole thing is explained by the whole notion of a black hole at the end of a movie. Self-destructed antimatter = giant black hole = bad for the universe.

He was marooned on the ice planet by Nero.

It doesn't break the established rules because TNG and VOY did transport light years away. It was done at least once, I think, in one of Star Trek movies...(It may have been The Final Frontier, I can't remember.)


You guys wanna talk about stupid inaccuracies in the movie and such.

I have a perfect one.


Spock said he came back in time about 125 years.... that would be almost the exact time frame of end of DS9/Voyager. [Considering the old Kirk/Spock {ToS} were about 70 years from the start of TNG]

Anyone wanna explain to me at what point the Romulans had "mining ships"[We all know that Romulans were very war-like and therefore their war ships would logically be just as big and powerful] that were 500 times[or larger] the size of anything the Federation had?

Yeah, Spock came back from 2380. This was explained in the TNG episode, "Unification", when Spock was on Romulus vocalizing Romulan and Vulcan unification.

Ships in the 24th century are considerably bigger than 23rd century ships. It is possible that one Defiant class ship was as big as a Constitution class was. (From DS9 scans, it looks like a Defiant-class ship was about 3/4 of the size of an Excelsior class, which was only a bit larger than Constitution class starships were) It was also hinted the ship may have been part Borg in the countdown comics series, where the ship was made out of salvaged Borg parts no longer connected to the Collective.

[Samuel346]

Yeah, Spock came back from 2380. This was explained in the TNG episode, "Unification", when Spock was on Romulus vocalizing Romulan and Vulcan unification.

Ships in the 24th century are considerably bigger than 23rd century ships. It is possible that one Defiant class ship was as big as a Constitution class was. (From DS9 scans, it looks like a Defiant-class ship was about 3/4 of the size of an Excelsior class, which was only a bit larger than Constitution class starships were) It was also hinted the ship may have been part Borg in the countdown comics series, where the ship was made out of salvaged Borg parts no longer connected to the Collective.

That doesn't fit with a lot of things, especially that they used to "pack ships pretty full back then" which is a quote from I think Doctor Basher in an episode of DS:9 where they have to go back to the old enterprise from ToS. [Something like that]

Anyway... that ship in the movie was freakin' huge. It was bigger than Borg cubes.

[folkeye]

I enjoyed it for the movie it was. It doesn't follow any Star Trek Continuity of any sorts so... but I expected as much.

[ArchangelZero]

That doesn't fit with a lot of things, especially that they used to "pack ships pretty full back then" which is a quote from I think Doctor Basher in an episode of DS:9 where they have to go back to the old enterprise from ToS. [Something like that]

Anyway... that ship in the movie was freakin' huge. It was bigger than Borg cubes.

Well, it is an alternate universe. The core stayed the same, but everything seems to have been shaken since the Kelvin's destruction.

And again, the prequel series has stated that the Borg tech used in the ship also caused it to grow.

[Samuel346]

Well, it is an alternate universe. The core stayed the same, but everything seems to have been shaken since the Kelvin's destruction.

I forgot, the b.s. excuse to do anything they want.


You could argue that the time line wasn't changed until he came back in time though.

[ArchangelZero]

I forgot, the b.s. excuse to do anything they want.


You could argue that the time line wasn't changed until he came back in time though.

If you read the second line I had, that would explain the Narada's size.

As far as I know, it's no bigger than the Scimitar was in Nemesis, so...yeah. I think the Romulans had some sort of way to make ships that big.

[Gowienczyk]

He's just upset that he can't think of a good rebuttal outside of "alternate realities suck".

[Samuel346]

And again, the prequel series has stated that the Borg tech used in the ship also caused it to grow.

When?



He's just upset that he can't think of a good rebuttal outside of "alternate realities suck".


Why is it so hard to understand that, in this instance, it is nothing more than a cop-out to not have creative thought?

[ArchangelZero]

When?

Why is it so hard to understand that, in this instance, it is nothing more than a cop-out to not have creative thought?

It was the prequel comic series that established the background behind all of the characters that came from the future in Star Trek.

[benson111]

I forgot, the b.s. excuse to do anything they want.


You could argue that the time line wasn't changed until he came back in time though.

There is your explination right there. This movie was ment to restart the franchise, and send it in a new direction, not to be faithful to Gene's vision. Take it for what it is. A great popcorn flick, with solid acting and killer cgi, if not then you are reading to far into it. Its not B.S. to do an alternate time line story, just not what you wanted to see.

The main reason to do an alternate time line is so that the stories dont get trapped by the same ol same ol that the STNG story lines seemed to. I for one am glad they went another route, and didnt just re-hash the same old shiz, and do a semi remake of the story that was covered in the org tv show.

This way the universe that we where used to can be destroyed and rebuilt in a totally different way, but still have some familiarity to it.

Just my 2 cents.

[Samuel346]

There is your explination right there. This movie was ment to restart the franchise, and send it in a new direction, not to be faithful to Gene's vision. Take it for what it is. A great popcorn flick, with solid acting and killer cgi, if not then you are reading to far into it. Its not B.S. to do an alternate time line story, just not what you wanted to see.

The main reason to do an alternate time line is so that the stories dont get trapped by the same ol same ol that the STNG story lines seemed to. I for one am glad they went another route, and didnt just re-hash the same old shiz, and do a semi remake of the story that was covered in the org tv show.

This way the universe that we where used to can be destroyed and rebuilt in a totally different way, but still have some familiarity to it.

Just my 2 cents.

So basically it's a movie for our current age... age of remakes.

[ArchangelZero]

There is your explination right there. This movie was ment to restart the franchise, and send it in a new direction, not to be faithful to Gene's vision. Take it for what it is. A great popcorn flick, with solid acting and killer cgi, if not then you are reading to far into it. Its not B.S. to do an alternate time line story, just not what you wanted to see.

The main reason to do an alternate time line is so that the stories dont get trapped by the same ol same ol that the STNG story lines seemed to. I for one am glad they went another route, and didnt just re-hash the same old shiz, and do a semi remake of the story that was covered in the org tv show.


This way the universe that we where used to can be destroyed and rebuilt in a totally different way, but still have some familiarity to it.

Just my 2 cents.

The whole reason for the alternate timeline was to reboot the franchise without gaining major criticism for destroying Gene's work. This meant that all 5 tv series' worth of history was not wasted. That I'm happy about.

If I were the person who's directing the next one, I would bring Gene's old styling of throwing in an issue of morality, just has Star Trek has done in the past. This way, they can combine elements of old with the new direction, and the question of morality isn't completely lost along the way...


So basically it's a movie for our current age... age of remakes.

Practically. But it's been successful so far. I would term it more...as an "Age of Rebirth"...

[benson111]

So basically it's a movie for our current age... age of remakes.

Dude its ok for you to not like it. No need to defend you reasoning.
I'm just saying that it was a good movie. Who cares any more about cannon. I for one like to see twists to something that i am familiar with. One of the reasons that i read all of the Star Wars books, there are familiar elements there but inst to involved with being 100% accurate.

Its a good story and stands well on its own. I admit there are allot of remakes being made, and there are allot of movies deserving of that as well, either because of shoddy effects, poor acting, or inferior story telling, take your pick.

[ArchangelZero]

Dude its ok for you to not like it. No need to defend you reasoning.
I'm just saying that it was a good movie. Who cares any more about cannon. I for one like to see twists to something that i am familiar with. One of the reasons that i read all of the Star Wars books, there are familiar elements there but inst to involved with being 100% accurate.

Its a good story and stands well on its own. I admit there are allot of remakes being made, and there are allot of movies deserving of that as well, either because of shoddy effects, poor acting, or inferior story telling, take your pick.

But the Star Wars books are canon...

[benson111]

But the Star Wars books are canon...

Indeed, but my point is valid about the remakes.

[Samuel346]

Who cares any more about cannon.

I do!

I think Star trek is one of the best saga's ever and I think it's a shame that we destroy it in the name of b.s.

They could of done soooo many possible stories... how about we do the Enterprise-C crew?

Earth-Romulan war.

There's more.. but I know.. thinking... it's bad anymore.

And movies now prove that

[benson111]

I do!

I think Star trek is one of the best saga's ever and I think it's a shame that we destroy it in the name of b.s.

They could of done soooo many possible stories... how about we do the Enterprise-C crew?

Earth-Romulan war.

There's more.. but I know.. thinking... it's bad anymore.

And movies now prove that


Ok then. Did you go watch it in the theater? Pay for admittance? Buy some $20 popcorn? Then these movies will be remade, rehashed and redone to hell and back, whether people complain enough or not.

Glad i went to see it, i enjoyed the hell out of it.

You should post on Aintitcool.com you would fit right in. ;)

[onduvalst]

I freaking loved it and I'd like to say that alternate realities is within the cannon. The acting was awesome! They stayed true to the personalities of the original characters and I loved the references to Enterprise and the nods to the 60's sets and costumes. I grew up watching reruns of the original and NG. I hated voyager and D9. I loved Enterprise. I felt it was a return to the spirit of the original just like I feel this movie is a return to that. If you can't handle the plot line so be it, but I feel (and so did 50 and 60 year old trekkies with me) that it was the most awesome thing since Shatner said be me up Scotty. I give it a 9.5/10 I would give it a 10 but some of the twisty camera angles pissed me off (motion sick)

[Samuel346]

Ok then. Did you go watch it in the theater? Pay for admittance? Buy some $20 popcorn? Then these movies will be remade, rehashed and redone to hell and back, whether people complain enough or not.

Glad i went to see it, i enjoyed the hell out of it.

You should post on Aintitcool.com you would fit right in. ;)

I paid for the ticket, I don't pay $50 for a scoop of popcorn though.

I enjoyed it as well. That doesn't make what the movie did as respectable.

[onduvalst]

I present evidence as to why I feel this is certainly cannon. I think the movie was very true to Gene's vision.

TOS episodes

"Tomorrow Is Yesterday"
The crew of the Enterprise travels back to 1960s Earth, and must correct damage they cause to the timeline.

"The Alternative Factor"
The crew of the Enterprise encounters a madman with the ability to jump from our matter universe to our opposite anti-matter universe.

"The City on the Edge of Forever"
The crew of the Enterprise discover a portal through space and time, which leads to McCoy accidentally altering Earth history in the early 20th Century. Kirk and Spock follow him to help stop the Nazis from winning World War II.

"Mirror, Mirror"
A transporter mishap slips Captain Kirk and his companions into a parallel universe.

"Assignment: Earth"
During a historical research mission in 1968, the Enterprise encounters an intergalactic traveler named Gary Seven.

NEXT Generation Episodes

"Time Squared"
Picard encounters his future self, when the Enterprise becomes caught in a time loop.

"Time's Arrow"
The Enterprise crew follow Data to San Francisco of the 1890s. The crew deal with Samuel Clemens (and run into Jack London), while trying to find a way to prevent aliens from interfering with 19th-century Earth.

"Parallels"
Worf finds himself randomly shifting between alternate realities.

Enterprise

"Storm Front, Part I"
After destroying the Xindi weapon, Enterprise finds itself in the 20th century during World War II with Nazis in control of the North Eastern USA.

"Storm Front, Part II"
Archer joins Silik to stop the alien Nazis, restore the timeline and end the Temporal Cold War.

[BevoTheWarrior]

I present evidence as to why I feel this is certainly cannon. I think the movie was very true to Gene's vision.

TOS episodes

"Tomorrow Is Yesterday"
The crew of the Enterprise travels back to 1960s Earth, and must correct damage they cause to the timeline.

"The Alternative Factor"
The crew of the Enterprise encounters a madman with the ability to jump from our matter universe to our opposite anti-matter universe.

"The City on the Edge of Forever"
The crew of the Enterprise discover a portal through space and time, which leads to McCoy accidentally altering Earth history in the early 20th Century. Kirk and Spock follow him to help stop the Nazis from winning World War II.

"Mirror, Mirror"
A transporter mishap slips Captain Kirk and his companions into a parallel universe.

"Assignment: Earth"
During a historical research mission in 1968, the Enterprise encounters an intergalactic traveler named Gary Seven.

NEXT Generation Episodes

"Time Squared"
Picard encounters his future self, when the Enterprise becomes caught in a time loop.

"Time's Arrow"
The Enterprise crew follow Data to San Francisco of the 1890s. The crew deal with Samuel Clemens (and run into Jack London), while trying to find a way to prevent aliens from interfering with 19th-century Earth.

"Parallels"
Worf finds himself randomly shifting between alternate realities.

Enterprise

"Storm Front, Part I"
After destroying the Xindi weapon, Enterprise finds itself in the 20th century during World War II with Nazis in control of the North Eastern USA.

"Storm Front, Part II"
Archer joins Silik to stop the alien Nazis, restore the timeline and end the Temporal Cold War.

You left out one of the all-time best alternate reality episodes ever: TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise".

[Samuel346]

I present evidence as to why I feel this is certainly cannon. I think the movie was very true to Gene's vision.

TOS episodes

"Tomorrow Is Yesterday"
The crew of the Enterprise travels back to 1960s Earth, and must correct damage they cause to the timeline.

"The Alternative Factor"
The crew of the Enterprise encounters a madman with the ability to jump from our matter universe to our opposite anti-matter universe.

"The City on the Edge of Forever"
The crew of the Enterprise discover a portal through space and time, which leads to McCoy accidentally altering Earth history in the early 20th Century. Kirk and Spock follow him to help stop the Nazis from winning World War II.

"Mirror, Mirror"
A transporter mishap slips Captain Kirk and his companions into a parallel universe.

"Assignment: Earth"
During a historical research mission in 1968, the Enterprise encounters an intergalactic traveler named Gary Seven.

NEXT Generation Episodes

"Time Squared"
Picard encounters his future self, when the Enterprise becomes caught in a time loop.

"Time's Arrow"
The Enterprise crew follow Data to San Francisco of the 1890s. The crew deal with Samuel Clemens (and run into Jack London), while trying to find a way to prevent aliens from interfering with 19th-century Earth.

"Parallels"
Worf finds himself randomly shifting between alternate realities.

Enterprise

"Storm Front, Part I"
After destroying the Xindi weapon, Enterprise finds itself in the 20th century during World War II with Nazis in control of the North Eastern USA.

"Storm Front, Part II"
Archer joins Silik to stop the alien Nazis, restore the timeline and end the Temporal Cold War.

The problem with all of that is it doesn't completely CHANGE everything. It makes minor changes.


Look, technically this movie completely follows canon. You're right, because after Voyager and Nemesis... there was nothing left.

The Borg were severely damaged when Voyager returned home... and Nemesis meant that the Romulans and Federation were more or less gonna end up how the Klingons and Federation did.

The result after VOY, DS9, and all the movies was the capability of time travel and a peaceful alpha quadrant..

IT ONLY MAKES SENSE THAT SOMEONE WOULD GO BACK IN TIME AND F*CK IT ALL UP.

That doesn't mean I find it as a good excuse to run a movie about it.
Why?

Because I still feel there was a lot left to tell, and by doing this, you will never be able to tell the story from the old canon.

It's the cheap, thoughtless way of doing it.

[onduvalst]

I think your whiney. :D

[Samuel346]

I think your whiney. :D

At least I can use words in their proper forms.

Don't care what your opinion of me is. What forum member am I attacking by having this conversation? None?

Then why do I need to be attacked. If you have good reason to give then do it... but I don't need to be called names simply cause you don't agree.

[onduvalst]

You left out one of the all-time best alternate reality episodes ever: TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise".
You are so right. That was an awesome episode.
^ chill dude, it was a joke. You take this stuff way to srs. :p

[Daemius]

At least I can use words in their proper forms.

Don't care what your opinion of me is. What forum member am I attacking by having this conversation? None?

Then why do I need to be attacked. If you have good reason to give then do it... but I don't need to be called names simply cause you don't agree.

You've been belligerent with people this entire thread. Calling the kettle black much? And if I hear one more damn thing about the Earth-Romulan war... I'm going to do nothing because ignoring you would mean I wouldn't get to laugh at how much your panties are in a bunch about this whole movie :p

[Samuel346]

You've been belligerent with people this entire thread. Calling the kettle black much? And if I hear one more damn thing about the Earth-Romulan war... I'm going to do nothing because ignoring you would mean I wouldn't get to laugh at how much your panties are in a bunch about this whole movie :p

The only people I have been "belligerent" towards is people that call me whiny and **** just because they don't like my opinion.


And the Earth-Romulan war would have been amazing. It's a huge part of the puzzle missing... christ we never really met the Romulan's in any of the series...

[Daemius]

I think your whiney. :D


At least I can use words in their proper forms.

Don't care what your opinion of me is. What forum member am I attacking by having this conversation? None?

Then why do I need to be attacked. If you have good reason to give then do it... but I don't need to be called names simply cause you don't agree.

You're most recent example of being a jerk. She was obviously just kidding around. Do you not know what an emoticon is? This one here :D, that's never used in malicious statements. So please, just lighten up. :rolleyes:

EDIT: I'd never thought I'd see a thread where Gowie wasn't being a jerk and someone else was. :p

[Ozzy_SS]

I am a HUGE Star Wars fan. And I honestly think this film blows almost every one of those films out of the water. Im mostly a TNG and DS9 watcher, but I can definitley get into this "rebooted" timeline. I think all other films this year will have to do a lot of great things to reach the bar that Star Trek set.

[onduvalst]

The only people I have been "belligerent" towards is people that call me whiny and **** just because they don't like my opinion.


And the Earth-Romulan war would have been amazing. It's a huge part of the puzzle missing... christ we never really met the Romulan's in any of the series...

it's because the Romulan are *******s and no one wants to meet them. :D

[moose39]

The movie was really good--I just got back from seeing it. I LOVED how Leonard Nimoy played as Spock from the future. I was on the edge of my seat (not really) when the Enterprise came in at the EXACT moment to help Spock fight of the Romulan ship. Also, I loved how Spock and Kirk's bromance started to blossom towards the end.

I hear there's going to be two more movies after this (I'm not surprised, Abrams knew this movie was going to be damn good, and he knew it was going to be big)--I'm going to see both of them in theaters, without a doubt.

5 out of 5, go see it NOW.

[BevoTheWarrior]

I hear there's going to be two more movies after this

The second one has already been greenlit and a release date announcement is expected within the next few weeks, according to Variety.

[RockBandRocker]

I don't get the complaints.

What happened in the original series and original movies (not counting TNG movies) still happened. It's just that when the Romulans came through the black hole (followed by Spock Prime), it triggered the creation of an alternate reality.

So, Captain Pike did end up disfigured and in the device in Spock Prime's reality (and Spock Prime was court-martialed). But in "Sylar" Spock's reality, Captain Pike was taken by the Romulans and became wheelchair bound.


As a "Star Trek" fan, I enjoyed the movie and hope to see more.

[moose39]

The second one has already been greenlit and a release date announcement is expected within the next few weeks, according to Variety.

At least it's not like Too Human, where a trilogy's announced before the first one even came out, but the first one really sucked.

They cancelled it, from what I can remember, haha.

I don't mind that they're doing it like this, Star Trek was a REALLY good movie, and as many critics have called it, "the perfect prequel."
I don't know about you guys, but when Sabotage came on when Kirk was driving that Mustang, I immediately thought about playing Rock Band.

[Apples]

The guy they cast as Chekov was terrible also.

Also lol @ enemy ship that can cut through planets but apparently has a tough time beating up on ships that are 200 years old to it.

[Gowienczyk]

The guy they cast as Chekov was terrible also.

I don't know, I think he did an okay job.

[Ozzy_SS]

Also lol @ enemy ship that can cut through planets but apparently has a tough time beating up on ships that are 200 years old to it.

They clearly stated that their ship was a mining ship and as such probably wouldn't have suitable shields or weapons to sustain fighting off even old Constitution class star ships. Of course, it could just be that they needed this to fit into the plot to make it work.

[Gowienczyk]

They clearly stated that their ship was a mining ship and as such probably wouldn't have suitable shields or weapons to sustain fighting off even old Constitution class star ships. Of course, it could just be that they needed this to fit into the plot to make it work.

Makes sense to me.

[onduvalst]

I thought Chekov was cute. Ya'll are way to SRS.

[benson111]

I thought Chekov was cute. Ya'll are way to SRS.

Thank you. Seems to be taken to heart WAY TOO MUCH. Cant just be a good movie, has to be Srs, and follow the orig series episode for episode.

My advice, get over it, the movie is out, and another two on the way, like it or not.

Good. Fricken. Movie.

[CJHobbes]

I'm late for the thread party, but I'll throw my two cents in.

I'm not a ST fan, I've only seen one of the movies (the one with the whales, it was a long time ago) and only a few episodes. So as just a movie fan, this rocked in and out. :D

Of course, when I pay to see a movie in the theater, I pay to be entertained, nothing more and nothing less. I forgot about life for ~2 hours and enjoyed all the movie had to offer. I laughed, I watched some cool action scenes, I had the Ballad of Bilbo Baggins ringing through my head....it was complete awesomeness. Simon Pegg is always great; my only complaint is how little screen time he got.

Highly recommended as a non-ST fan. Definitely theater worthy.

[AlliterationAmy]

I'm in no way a Star Trek fan, but when I saw it last night, the Physicist in me had a nerdgasm. So much though-provoking Theoretical/Quantum Physics to keep me entertained.

[ArchangelZero]

Thank you. Seems to be taken to heart WAY TOO MUCH. Cant just be a good movie, has to be Srs, and follow the orig series episode for episode.

My advice, get over it, the movie is out, and another two on the way, like it or not.

Good. Fricken. Movie.

Okay all you damn purists, listen to this. This is a movie for a mainstream audience. It's not specifically pointed towards Star Trek fans, it's pointed toward anybody in general. This is 40 years after TOS was aired. Times have changed, people these days find stuff like that as boring now. They want to see fast-paced action with was favored with the Trek movies and was stated numerous times by reviewers of First Contact who loved the fast pace and less focus on characterization. Things have changed, just be happy they didn't rewrite the whole goddamn universe.

Think of this....if you want to appeal to everyone, do make a good movie, or do you make a good movie in the opinion of fans?