The NHL needs to bring back the two line pass offside

[Samuel346]

Seriously.


First goal against the Canes tonight was because the guy that just got out of the penalty box was cherry picking. WOW. What talent... cherry picking.

How about this argument:


When you are on the penalty kill, it's because you broke a rule, and potentially did something violent. Right? Yes.


So why should you get the advantage of a possible break away after the penalty kill?

If you don't want to bring the two line pass rule back- how about make it so that you cannot touch the puck once you get back on the ice, you must go directly back to the bench?

OR make it a two line pass off-sides only if you just left the penalty box.

[Renrock]

Nah , it just slowed the game down. Needs to be quick and intense !

[Nitz13]

No.

[Samuel346]

Nah , it just slowed the game down. Needs to be quick and intense !

I mean totally... if it's not 50 to 49 it's not fun to watch. :rolleyes:

[ffwarrior47]

No.

i don't know anything about hockey, but Nitz seems like he knows his stuff, soooo... that^


:p

[Samuel346]

i don't know anything about hockey, but Nitz seems like he knows his stuff, soooo... that^


:p

That's pretty ridiculous.


"I have no idea what I'm talking about, let's vote anyway."

[ffwarrior47]

That's pretty ridiculous.


"I have no idea what I'm talking about, let's vote anyway."

who said i voted sunshine? :)

[voodoo618]

That's pretty ridiculous.


"I have no idea what I'm talking about, let's vote anyway."

Then why not put a "I know nothing about hockey" option. :p

[Mystlyfe77]

Hell no.

"Cherry picking" be what it may, but it's the far lesser evil of the neutral zone trap based game of the early 2000s.

[Nuff_Said]

Hell no.

"Cherry picking" be what it may, but it's the far lesser evil of the neutral zone trap based game of the early 2000s.

dump and chase.
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dump and chase.
dump and chase.
dump and chase.
dump and chase.
dump and chase.
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dump and chase.
dump and chase.
dump and chase.

booooooring.

[CCDaDon]

More unneeded penalties = bad for the sport. I love basketball but it is boring as hell to watch because of all of the fouls at the end that just stops the flow. Apparently cherry picking happens often in hockey and adding a penalty for it would just stop the flow and make(an already boring sport) more boring.

[Samuel346]

More unneeded penalties = bad for the sport. I love basketball but it is boring as hell to watch because of all of the fouls at the end that just stops the flow. Apparently cherry picking happens often in hockey and adding a penalty for it would just stop the flow and make(an already boring sport) more boring.

Nice.

Except that you apparently don't know what you're talking about man.


Not talking about a penalty. IT USED TO BE OFFSIDE for a two line pass. That's what I'm suggesting bringing back.

[Mystlyfe77]

More unneeded penalties = bad for the sport. I love basketball but it is boring as hell to watch because of all of the fouls at the end that just stops the flow. Apparently cherry picking happens often in hockey and adding a penalty for it would just stop the flow and make(an already boring sport) more boring.

It's not a penalty, but just a stoppage of play and face-off (like off-sides).

[Renrock]

I mean totally... if it's not 50 to 49 it's not fun to watch. :rolleyes:

Yeah , because that's what all the scores were this year. :rolleyes:

[Samuel346]

How about this argument:


When you are on the penalty kill, it's because you broke a rule, and potentially did something violent. Right? Yes.


So why should you get the advantage of a possible break away after the penalty kill?

If you don't want to bring the two line pass rule back- how about make it so that you cannot touch the puck once you get back on the ice, you must go directly back to the bench?

OR make it a two line pass off-sides only if you just left the penalty box.

[CCDaDon]

It's not a penalty, but just a stoppage of play and face-off (like off-sides).

-_- You know what I mean.

Technicalities are fun I guess.

[killer_roach]

I prefer the game being more wide-open. Two-line pass was a very arcane rule that seemed to be more subject to selective enforcement than anything.

[Mystlyfe77]

How about this argument:


When you are on the penalty kill, it's because you broke a rule, and potentially did something violent. Right? Yes.


So why should you get the advantage of a possible break away after the penalty kill?

If you don't want to bring the two line pass rule back- how about make it so that you cannot touch the puck once you get back on the ice, you must go directly back to the bench?

OR make it a two line pass off-sides only if you just left the penalty box.

Or just not make a big deal out of a small thing that's been around since even before the 2-line pass rule was taken away?

I haven't played organized hockey since I was in 8th grade, and even then we knew to watch the penalty box, and if the opponent gets the puck to try and take away the passing lanes to the player.


edit: and get rid of the giant red. It just makes the post annoying, not convincing.

[Samuel346]

Or just not make a big deal out of a small thing that's been around since even before the 2-line pass rule was taken away?

I haven't played organized hockey since I was in 8th grade, and even then we knew to watch the penalty box, and if the opponent gets the puck to try and take away the passing lanes to the player.


edit: and get rid of the giant red. It just makes the post annoying, not convincing.

I won't. The red points the post out.

Also, it gives an unfair advantage to a team when they commit a foul.

[Mystlyfe77]

I won't. The red points the post out.

Also, it gives an unfair advantage to a team when they commit a foul.

No, it doesn't. A very slight chance that they might have control of the puck, and the opponent is out of position, and he can execute a long-pass accurately, exactly when their player comes out of the box, and then he can beat the goalie is not enough to be a big deal. It's a very small deal that has existed ever since the penalty box was invented.
The fact remains that the team who gives up that breakaway has to commit a mistake in order for the scenario to ensue (hell, on the powerplay the opponent shouldn't have control of the puck with a clear-lane down ice, period).
It's not a new "problem."
Nobody in the NHL complains about it being unfair.
It's not even a real problem.

And the red is just annoying. If you're words don't stand out enough on their own, you need to find a better way to phrase your arguments.

[bood-boy]

samuel, no offence, but u have the worst opinions of the game.
stick to baseball if u wanna watch a slow game.

[Samuel346]

No, it doesn't. A very slight chance that they might have control of the puck, and the opponent is out of position, and he can execute a long-pass accurately, exactly when their player comes out of the box, and then he can beat the goalie is not enough to be a big deal. It's a very small deal that has existed ever since the penalty box was invented.
The fact remains that the team who gives up that breakaway has to commit a mistake in order for the scenario to ensue (hell, on the powerplay the opponent shouldn't have control of the puck with a clear-lane down ice, period).
It's not a new "problem."
Nobody in the NHL complains about it being unfair.
It's not even a real problem.

And the red is just annoying. If you're words don't stand out enough on their own, you need to find a better way to phrase your arguments.

The red points out a change to the original post to hopefully encourage new conversation.



Anyway, it is a new problem because of the fact that the two line pass rule no longer exists.



samuel, no offence, but u have the worst opinions of the game.
stick to baseball if u wanna watch a slow game.

Where does this dumb ass opinion come from that taking away the two line pass rule speeds up the game? The game speed has really not increased at all DUE to the change of the rule.

Moreover due to the fact that almost any defensive play is now a penalty AND teams have almost sworn off defensive play.

[Mystlyfe77]

Anyway, it is a new problem because of the fact that the two line pass rule no longer exists.

No, it's not. The player exiting the penalty box is still behind the last defender on the other team. All the two-line pass rule does is force the penalty killer to exit his zone or the player exiting the box to pick up a pass before the red line.

[bood-boy]

taking out the red line is probbly the best new rule theyve introduced.

why dont we suspend satan for cherry picking?
then make a poll about it

[bradylicious9]

goo canes!

[Samuel346]

No, it's not. The player exiting the penalty box is still behind the last defender on the other team. All the two-line pass rule does is force the penalty killer to exit his zone or the player exiting the box to pick up a pass before the red line.

Which prevents cherry picking after getting out of the box. Thank you.




taking out the red line is probbly the best new rule theyve introduced.

why dont we suspend satan for cherry picking?
then make a poll about it

Do you do ANYTHING to add to the discussion or just insult me and make stupid comments?

[bood-boy]

i cannot count how many times i watched a goalie this year make a heads-up 2 line pass successfully that set up a beautiful breakaway/2-1. best rule.

[Mystlyfe77]

Where does this dumb ass opinion come from that taking away the two line pass rule speeds up the game? The game speed has really not increased at all DUE to the change of the rule.

Moreover due to the fact that almost any defensive play is now a penalty AND teams have almost sworn off defensive play.

Okay, cut out the offensive language and bright colors and people may take you more seriously.
And that's simply not true at all.
Teams have cut out the trapping and interference, which has sped the game up greatly. If you disagree, then you simply did not watch hockey between the mid-90s and 2004.
And there's still plenty of defense, it's just more oriented around speed and positioning rather than big hits and trapping in the neutral zone. There's a reason why you don't see many players like Derian Hatcher in the NHL anymore, and players like Mike Green being nominated for the Norris trophy (and save the "Mike Green sucks at defense" argument, because it's simply not true).
Speed, positioning, shot blocking, and puck control are all important parts of defense, and are still defensive hockey.

[Samuel346]

And that's simply not true at all.
Teams have cut out the trapping and interference, which has sped the game up greatly. If you disagree, then you simply did not watch hockey between the mid-90s and 2004.
And there's still plenty of defense, it's just more oriented around speed and positioning rather than big hits and trapping in the neutral zone. There's a reason why you don't see many players like Derian Hatcher in the NHL anymore, and players like Mike Green being nominated for the Norris trophy (and save the "Mike Green sucks at defense" argument, because it's simply not true).
Speed, positioning, shot blocking, and puck control are all important parts of defense, and are still defensive hockey.

So what you're saying is...


two line passes have not really sped up the game, like i just said?


And I will be as offensive as people are to me. Saying "no offence" doesn't take away the offensiveness of a post.

If I call you a bad name, but say no offence, does it change what I said? NO

[bood-boy]

So what you're saying is...


two line passes have not really sped up the game, like i just said?

dude, ur so wrong, how many games have you watched other than detroit that werent playoff games this year?

[Mystlyfe77]

Which prevents cherry picking after getting out of the box. Thank you.

No, no it doesn't. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt1jjxr8hSk)
You repeatedly show your ignorance of the game.

[Samuel346]

dude, ur so wrong, how many games have you watched other than detroit that werent playoff games this year?

All that don't overlap bud.


No, no it doesn't. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt1jjxr8hSk)
You repeatedly show your ignorance of the game.

At ANY POINT did I make a comment that it would prevent a great play? NO

[Mystlyfe77]

So what you're saying is...


two line passes have not really sped up the game, like i just said?


And I will be as offensive as people are to me. Saying "no offence" doesn't take away the offensiveness of a post.

If I call you a bad name, but say no offence, does it change what I said? NO

YES THEY HAVE. THE ELIMINATION OF THE TWO-LINE PASS RULE KILLED THE NEUTRAL ZONE TRAP. THE NEUTRAL ZONE TRAP WAS WHAT SLOWED THE GAME DOWN TO A CRAWL.

Also, you're an American. Offense is spelled with an s.

[Mystlyfe77]

At ANY POINT did I make a comment that it would prevent a great play? NO

That's not a two-line pass. It's the first video I could find. Not every breakaway is on YouTube, only the good ones. But breakaways off of penalties have been happening since the penalty box was invented.

[Samuel346]

Cherry picking is the problem here.

[Mystlyfe77]

Cherry picking is the problem here.

And "cherry picking" still exists with or without the 2-line pass rule. It always has. And NHL players know how to deal with it, but sometimes make mistakes (like the goal tonight).
It's NOT something that happens all the time. Even if it was, goalies alone stop something like 75% of all breakaways anyway.
There's a much larger inherent advantage to the 2-minutes of 5-on-4 hockey you get than the very small off-chance of one of these plays developing. If coaches and players were really worried about it, they'd hold onto the puck during the last 5 seconds of a powerplay rather than shooting, so they can ensure it doesn't happen.
The fact they don't shows how little of an issue it is.

[bood-boy]

i think the problem is the OP doesnt watch enough hockey cause they said taking out the red line didnt speed the game up at all. honestly its the first person ive ever seen whos claimed that.

[Samuel346]

And "cherry picking" still exists with or without the 2-line pass rule. It always has. And NHL players know how to deal with it, but sometimes make mistakes (like the goal tonight).
It's NOT something that happens all the time. Even if it was, goalies alone stop something like 75% of all breakaways anyway.
There's a much larger inherent advantage to the 2-minutes of 5-on-4 hockey you get than the very small off-chance of one of these plays developing. If coaches and players were really worried about it, they'd hold onto the puck during the last 5 seconds of a powerplay rather than shooting, so they can ensure it doesn't happen.
The fact they don't shows how little of an issue it is.


I see it as giving an unfair advantage to teams that have committed an error. I don't see why not allowing a player that was in the penalty to touch the puck before returning to the bench as a problem.


i think the problem is the OP doesnt watch enough hockey cause they said taking out the red line didnt speed the game up at all. honestly its the first person ive ever seen whos claimed that.

Stop following my posts/threads if you can't do ANYTHING but personal attacks.

[bood-boy]

I see it as giving an unfair advantage to teams that have committed an error. I don't see why not allowing a player that was in the penalty to touch the puck before returning to the bench as a problem.



Stop following my posts/threads if you can't do ANYTHING but personal attacks.

thats blasphemy. so you want the guy who committed the penalty to skate all the way from one side of the ice, to the other, to switch with someone else, then the person coming on has to get into the play? adding more crucial seconds to a potential power play attack?


dude you are you kidding me? show me how i have personally attacked you ever. ive never ever called you a name, just cause you views on hockey are very very very very how can i word this softy.... well they are very clouded. just caus eyou have clouded viewds of the game im trying to help u see clearly, cause i dont think u watch it enough cause ur opiniosn are very out there. like did u seriously think ovechkin deserved to get suspended? i still cant believe that.

[Samuel346]

thats blasphemy. so you want the guy who committed the penalty to skate all the way from one side of the ice, to the other, to switch with someone else, then the person coming on has to get into the play? adding more crucial seconds to a potential power play attack?


dude you are you kidding me? show me how i have personally attacked you ever. ive never ever called you a name, just cause you views on hockey are very very very very how can i word this softy.... well they are very clouded. just caus eyou have clouded viewds of the game im trying to help u see clearly, cause i dont think u watch it enough cause ur opiniosn are very out there. like did u seriously think ovechkin deserved to get suspended? i still cant believe that.

Yes I did. Ovechkin is a careless player. I agree with Mickey Redmond's comments on it.

You're right, it's unrealistic to make it so that he has to do all that. But it's also unrealistic that he can just sit at their blue line and wait for a pass. So the best solution, per those two conclusions, is eliminating two line passes.

[bood-boy]

Yes I did. Ovechkin is a careless player. I agree with Mickey Redmond's comments on it.

You're right, it's unrealistic to make it so that he has to do all that. But it's also unrealistic that he can just sit at their blue line and wait for a pass. So the best solution, per those two conclusions, is eliminating two line passes.


no the best solution is for it to stay how it is and for u to stop whining

[Mystlyfe77]

Yes I did. Ovechkin is a careless player. I agree with Mickey Redmond's comments on it.

You're right, it's unrealistic to make it so that he has to do all that. But it's also unrealistic that he can just sit at their blue line and wait for a pass. So the best solution, per those two conclusions, is eliminating two line passes.

The best solution is leaving it as it is.
If it aint broke, don't fix it.

[Samuel346]

no the best solution is for it to stay how it is and for u to stop whining

Please, stop following my posts if your answer to what I say is going to be what it is.

Add to the discussion all you want.'



The best solution is leaving it as it is.
If it aint broke, don't fix it.

And if I can prove it is broken? [I will try to see if they keep any relevant stats]

[ffwarrior47]

lol hockey is silly.

[bood-boy]

Please, stop following my posts if your answer to what I say is going to be what it is.

Add to the discussion all you want.'




And if I can prove it is broken? [I will try to see if they keep any relevant stats]


stats dont prove everything.
goalies are getting more assists. making better breakout passes.

you never answered my question. how much hockey do u watch outside of detroit games and playoff games?

[Samuel346]

stats dont prove everything.
goalies are getting more assists. making better breakout passes.

you never answered my question. how much hockey do u watch outside of detroit games and playoff games?

Stats don't prove everything- unless it's AGAINST my argument like the last one about Malkin in the other thread... right? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:



To your question... AS MUCH AS the NHL allows me... with the new TV rules.

[bood-boy]

Stats don't prove everything- unless it's AGAINST my argument like the last one about Malkin in the other thread... right? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:



To your question... AS MUCH AS the NHL allows me... with the new TV rules.

i was not involved in any malkin discussion.
and malkin looks good tonite. 1 year does not prove anything.

if ur such a hockey guru why dont u order center ice and or watch on the net?

[Samuel346]

if ur such a hockey guru why dont u order center ice and or watch on the net?

Because I'm not spending that kinda money just because the NHL doesn't know how to expand their business.

[bood-boy]

Because I'm not spending that kinda money just because the NHL doesn't know how to expand their business.

so all ur opinions are based on stats and the minimal games u can rarely watch?

[Samuel346]

so all ur opinions are based on stats and the minimal games u can rarely watch?

Uh no. My opinions are based on what I see. I can watch four non-red wing regular season games a week.

Mon and Tues on Versus and Saturday night double header hockey night in Canadian.

That's a good amount of hockey actually.

[Apples]

The old way sucked and made for excessively defensive games.

I do see the loophole though, maybe they need to amend the current structure to account for the penalty box like that.

[TheClashTheClashTheClash]

As the penalty expires, the goalie (its what I am IRL) bangs his stick on the ice to warn the D man to get back and cover the man. There you go, thats how you defend it and it works 95% of the time.

[Nitz13]

The old way sucked and made for excessively defensive games.

I do see the loophole though, maybe they need to amend the current structure to account for the penalty box like that.

I've played hockey since I was 5 years old, it's all about communication from the bench and goalie to the defense. Have you ever seen a goalie smacking his stick on the ice during play? That's to let his team know the oppositions penalty is about to end. same goes for the coaches screaming at the D-men to let them know.

There is nothing wrong with the rule as it stands.

Edit: Damn you clash!

[bood-boy]

breakaways for the man leaving the penalty box still occured before the 2 line pass was introduced. ur not going to avoid it. its a good heads up play and it makes the team with the PP be aware at the end of the PP. dont be sloppy.

[Apples]

As the penalty expires, the goalie (its what I am IRL) bangs his stick on the ice to warn the D man to get back and cover the man. There you go, thats how you defend it and it works 95% of the time.

Fascinating, I have seen that but never knew why. Good job being helpful.

[Samuel346]

breakaways for the man leaving the penalty box still occured before the 2 line pass was introduced. ur not going to avoid it. its a good heads up play and it makes the team with the PP be aware at the end of the PP. dont be sloppy.

You can't prevent everything, but you can cut down on unfair aspects.

[TheClashTheClashTheClash]

I've played hockey since I was 5 years old, it's all about communication from the bench and goalie to the defense. Have you ever seen a goalie smacking his stick on the ice during play? That's to let his team know the oppositions penalty is about to end. same goes for the coaches screaming at the D-men to let them know.

There is nothing wrong with the rule as it stands.

Edit: Damn you clash!

Haha you got ninja'd


Fascinating, I have seen that but never knew why. Good job being helpful.

No problem. Most non-hockey or even some casual hockey fans have no idea what the goalie is doing. There's lots of things in hockey people don't understand. Such as pulling the goalie on a delayed penalty, you don't know how many times I've heard people say the coach is making a stupid decision and they flip out b/c they think the other team is gonna score

[bood-boy]

You can't prevent everything, but you can cut down on unfair aspects.

dude did u even watch the satan goal tonite? that was not cherry picking in the least bit.
that wasnt even a 2 line pass. he skated hard to get the loose puck. from the other side of the redline. what are u talking about in ur OP.

i missed it live cause i was playing playoff ball hockey. i jsut saw the replay on sportscenter.

youll be able to watch the goal here later
http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2008030311

[Nuff_Said]

The old way sucked and made for excessively defensive games.

that was the only way Calgary ever made it to the Stanley Cup finals that year before they changed all the rules.

[bood-boy]

that was the only way Calgary ever made it to the Stanley Cup finals that year before they changed all the rules.

and the ducks/wild conference final the year before that.

[Samuel346]

dude did u even watch the satan goal tonite? that was not cherry picking in the least bit.
that wasnt even a 2 line pass. he skated hard to get the loose puck. from the other side of the redline. what are u talking about in ur OP.

i missed it live cause i was playing playoff ball hockey. i jsut saw the replay on sportscenter.

youll be able to watch the goal here later
http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2008030311


I saw it live, and Versus is just SO good at replying things. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I'll watch the replay when it becomes available.



And defense is a better game than offense.

[bood-boy]

I saw it live, and Versus is just SO good at replying things. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I'll watch the replay when it becomes available.



And defense is a better game than offense.

u prefer watching trap hockey???

[Apples]

u prefer watching trap hockey???

Admiral Ackbar does. (http://itsatrap.ytmnd.com/)

[Samuel346]

u prefer watching trap hockey???

I preferred the old style of hockey over the new.


http://www.statshockey.net/nhlnumbers.html

Look at the increase in goals from 02 - 03 to 03 - 04

ew

[Mystlyfe77]

And defense is a better game than offense.

And the REAL reason he wants the 2-line pass back becomes clear now. Trap hockey is BOOOOOOOOORING.

[Samuel346]

And the REAL reason he wants the 2-line pass back becomes clear now. Trap hockey is BOOOOOOOOORING.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Nice assumptions.

Done yet?

[Mystlyfe77]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Nice assumptions.

Done yet?

You just said it. I didn't have to assume anything.


I preferred the old style of hockey over the new.

[Samuel346]

You just said it. I didn't have to assume anything.

The NHL is no more fun to watch now than it used to be.

In a lot of ways it's worse.


Like the calling a penalty to even the fact that one team has a 3 to 1 advantage.

That's PAST getting old now.

[Mystlyfe77]

The NHL is no more fun to watch now than it used to be.

In a lot of ways it's worse.


Like the calling a penalty to even the fact that one team has a 3 to 1 advantage.

That's PAST getting old now.

I disagree. The NHL is much better than 90s/early 2000s hockey. And to give you reference, that is when I got into hockey (and loved it). But it's infinitely better now.

edit: Score SHOULD NOT influence penalties. They should be called regardless. That's how the rule book is written, and how they should be enforced.

[Samuel346]

edit: Score SHOULD NOT influence penalties. They should be called regardless. That's how the rule book is written, and how they should be enforced.

But IT'S NOT. And that mainly started with the "New NHL".


Ya know... the same NHL where you can only watch a few games a week besides what games your team has... unless you pay out the ass.:rolleyes:

[Mystlyfe77]

But IT'S NOT. And that mainly started with the "New NHL".


Ya know... the same NHL where you can only watch a few games a week besides what games your team has... unless you pay out the ass.:rolleyes:

The TV deal has nothing to do with the new rules. Those are two completely different issues. You can't lump two unrelated variables together.

I don't think that's really true. I don't have any numbers to back it up, so I can't state my perception as fact, but I don't think officiating has become any more or less "biased" than it was before. I don't think score changes the officiating. I saw my Caps take plenty of penalties regardless of what the score was.

[Samuel346]

I don't think that's really true. I don't have any numbers to back it up, so I can't state my perception as fact, but I don't think officiating has become any more or less "biased" than it was before. I don't think score changes the officiating. I saw my Caps take plenty of penalties regardless of what the score was.

The TV comment was just a side thing that pisses me off.



The fact is that if your team is down 9 times out of 10 you can bet your team is gonna get the next power play.

It's become a lot more evident than it used to.
I'm not here to claim that it didn't happen before, just not to the same degree.

[bood-boy]

200 dollars for every game single, tonnes in HD, over 8 months is not paying out the ass at all, considering u have hockey from 7-1230 pretty much every night. keeps canadias warm all winter. or watch em online for free.

[Samuel346]

200 dollars for every game single, tonnes in HD, over 8 months is not paying out the ass at all, considering u have hockey from 7-1230 pretty much every night. keeps canadias warm all winter. or watch em online for free.

It is for the fact that I don't have an EXTRA $200 and I don't have to pay EXTRA for MLB, NBA, or NFL.

[bood-boy]

It is for the fact that I don't have an EXTRA $200 and I don't have to pay EXTRA for MLB, NBA, or NFL.

you dont get every game for free there in those leagues i bet either. im glad im not american and im not stuck with only that much hockey on TV. no wonder it cant catch on there :D

[Samuel346]

you dont get every game for free there in those leagues i bet either. im glad im not american and im not stuck with only that much hockey on TV. no wonder it cant catch on there :D

Exactly, and yet they don't care about the Canadian market. They just don't make any sense.

[bood-boy]

Exactly, and yet they don't care about the Canadian market. They just don't make any sense.

bettman cant admit his own mistakes, hes an idiot.

[Mystlyfe77]

The fact is that if your team is down 9 times out of 10 you can bet your team is gonna get the next power play.

It's become a lot more evident than it used to.
I'm not here to claim that it didn't happen before, just not to the same degree.

My observations would tend not to agree. I don't have any season-long numbers to prove you wrong, but I certainly remember the Caps being penalized plenty of times when already down in the Pittsburgh series alone.

In fact, during Game 7 (which the Caps never led), they took all four penalties in the game.

[Samuel346]

My observations would tend not to agree. I don't have any season-long numbers to prove you wrong, but I certainly remember the Caps being penalized plenty of times when already down in the Pittsburgh series alone.

In fact, during Game 7 (which the Caps never led), they took all four penalties in the game.

I'm not going to comment on that example, because you won't accept or like my response.

I will state that I notice it.

If you doubt it, try to look back or better yet watch a game and see what happens. Especially regular season- but even in the playoffs.

[Mystlyfe77]

I'm not going to comment on that example, because you won't accept or like my response.

I will state that I notice it.

If you doubt it, try to look back or better yet watch a game and see what happens. Especially regular season- but even in the playoffs.

I watch the games, and I don't feel it exclusively one way or the other.

And there's no way you can blame your conspiracy theory when the Caps got OBLITERATED in that game. They just didn't play nearly as well, in any aspect. It's unfortunate, but true. :(

[Samuel346]

I watch the games, and I don't feel it exclusively one way or the other.

And there's no way you can blame your conspiracy theory when the Caps got OBLITERATED in that game. They just didn't play nearly as well, in any aspect. It's unfortunate, but true. :(

Agreed, they didn't play well.


I don't think that certain organizations would of preferred the Caps to win though.



At any rate, I do notice it. And a lot of the announcers seem to too. [No not versus announcers , they don't take a stand unless it involves getting access to Crosby's pubes]

[bermuddy]

we should also remove curved blades and make goalie pads larger.

[FloodOne]

once again, I'm staying out of the hockey argument between Samuel and Myst, but I voted yes, based on the fact that when I grew up, a 2-1 final score was a hard fought win. It seems to me removing the two line pass stoppage just made it easier to score. It really didn't change the pace of the game too much. hockey was always fast, brutal and bloody.

[coescastle]

Who watches Hockey? Not me.

[Mystlyfe77]

we should also remove curved blades and make goalie pads larger.

Post full of win.


Who watches Hockey? Not me.

Post full of fail.

[bermuddy]

Post full of win.


im glad you got my sarcasm. i was afraid samuel might use it to bolster his defense.

[Mystlyfe77]

im glad you got my sarcasm. i was afraid samuel might use it to bolster his defense.

So am I, lol.

[Samuel346]

Wow, you guys are SO cool by insulting my decision making just because you don't like my opinions. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:



once again, I'm staying out of the hockey argument between Samuel and Myst, but I voted yes, based on the fact that when I grew up, a 2-1 final score was a hard fought win. It seems to me removing the two line pass stoppage just made it easier to score. It really didn't change the pace of the game too much. hockey was always fast, brutal and bloody.

DING DING DING!!!! WE HAVE A WINNAR

[Mex]

Once in a while a team get's a cherry picked goal like that. It happens but not often enough to go back to the old style. You're just nitpicking Samuel. The game is not ruined because a team on the PP gives up the puck in the offensive zone RIIIIIGHT at the worst time when the penalized player is juuuuust coming out of the box and the team just killing the PP off makes a heads up pass to that player.

It's a pretty interesting play if you ask me. Now we've got a one on one show down with the goalie, and statistically, they goalie wins that battle more often than not.

It's still exciting even when the player doesn't score.

[Mystlyfe77]

Once in a while a team get's a cherry picked goal like that. It happens but not often enough to go back to the old style. You're just nitpicking Samuel. The game is not ruined because a team on the PP gives up the puck in the offensive zone RIIIIIGHT at the worst time when the penalized player is juuuuust coming out of the box and the team just killing the PP off makes a heads up pass to that player.

It's a pretty interesting play if you ask me. Now we've got a one on one show down with the goalie, and statistically, they goalie wins that battle more often than not.

It's still exciting even when the player doesn't score.

Mex has summarized my thoughts almost exactly.