View Full Version : I am tired of them picking all old music
iceman1992
07-14-2007, 01:22 PM
i mean some is good but a lot of it just gets boring
put in newer music or if you have to put in old songs then actually pick good ones
unlike rock this town
also never ever put in a song like institutionalized in the game again
Desensitized
07-14-2007, 01:24 PM
Rock This Town is a great song.
If they put in a live version for this game, it would kick all kinds of ass.
SpeedMetal09
07-14-2007, 02:02 PM
id agree, most of guitar hero players are teens so give us more modern stuff
Lordgrunty
07-14-2007, 02:30 PM
I agree 100% I want some Modern Rawk
Eman311
07-14-2007, 02:35 PM
stop *****ing.
its great so far.
And i'm probably not much older than you
NiGhTmAr3
07-14-2007, 02:42 PM
They should put an equal amount of old rock and new rock in Rock Band...I think they will do that anyway :p
dirty_bird32
07-14-2007, 02:51 PM
the "old music" in the game are the only reason that i'll buy it.
sushi111
07-14-2007, 02:57 PM
I love all the old and new stuff so far. Ok Im not a big fan of Rockaway Beach, or Mississippi Queen, or any Bon Jovi song, but the song list so far is varied and awesome. I especially love the 90s respect so far. I really hope they add some more 90s music too, mainly Radiohead and Soundgarden
rcf1105
07-14-2007, 03:01 PM
All I Wanted Was A Pepsi
FunkaTrunk
07-14-2007, 03:06 PM
id agree, most of guitar hero players are teens so give us more modern stuff
Just 'cause your a teen dousn't mean you have to listen to crap music. Classic Rock and Metal, that's all the good music out there.
StartSomething
07-14-2007, 03:15 PM
Institutionalized is an awesome song
endeyequote
07-14-2007, 03:43 PM
Does no one have respect for the muscians that inspired the bands they love anymore?
If these kids knew what their favorite bands listened to they'd be shocked. Muscians of all kinds appreciate music of all kinds. Fans are so often much more close minded than the musicians in the bands they listen to.
Sad.
Just because it was made before you were born doesn't mean it isn't any good. Most popular music today is just a retread of what has been done before and been done better.
FacelessButcher
07-14-2007, 04:43 PM
I'm probably the only person on this site with these music tastes but they need some modern Brutal Death/Gore/Black/Technical/Speed Metal. It would be a change at least.
bigheb774
07-14-2007, 04:50 PM
Harmonix will put in what is good. And the reason that mostly old music is being put in is because...well...most modern music sucks. Modern music is very repetetive, has very poor vocals (emo) or just lacks musical talent (nu metal...). I will admit that some modern music is pretty good however.
tmanrocks
07-14-2007, 05:18 PM
I agree that this game and guitar hero 3 need more music from 1990-NOW
I like all sorts of music , including the old stuff... but I'm not close minded about musical time periods like some people seem to be... I want some good stuff from like the past 20 years, and when I say good stuff from the past 20 years I DON'T MEAN WEEZER
I mean power metal , pop-punk , metalcore , heavy metal , yadda yadda... not weezer -_-
FacelessButcher
07-14-2007, 05:21 PM
Listen to him he speaks the truth. Although i hope Death Metal and Black Metal are in the Yadda Yadda... Probably not :(
tmanrocks
07-14-2007, 05:24 PM
Listen to him he speaks the truth. Although i hope Death Metal and Black Metal are in the Yadda Yadda... Probably not :(
It is if you count melodic death metal :P
CHILDREN OF BODOM FTW!
Other than that I don't like those 2 kinds but I still think they should be in the game to show people a broad range of music instead of 99% classic hits
FacelessButcher
07-14-2007, 05:29 PM
indeed. You'd probably like Finntroll and Amon Amarth and Ensiferum if you like melodic death mixed with Viking metal.
Agent_Of_Brutality
07-14-2007, 05:54 PM
Here is my suggestion for the next installment for Rock Band
1) They call it Rock Band: Full Metal Edition
2) They choose songs starting from classic metal (not classic rock) such as Maiden and Priest and closing with some more recent bands and to not forget some songs from the sub-genres such as Black/Death metal, Thrash metal, Speed metal, and Power metal and maybe throw in some Goth metal for some flavor.
endeyequote
07-14-2007, 05:56 PM
I'm probably the only person on this site with these music tastes but they need some modern Brutal Death/Gore/Black/Technical/Speed Metal. It would be a change at least.
It will probably happen. I could see a couple songs making it in. I am not huge into extreme metal, but there are a few things here and there i like, and the guitar parts and drumming are insane, so they would be great fun to play..
Besides, Lamb of God and Shadowsfall are only a few steps away from extreme metal. And i might get trunced for saying this but i consider Lamb of God anyway, and if you go with that then you already got your wish. No reason it wont happen again.
GNR962
07-20-2007, 07:42 AM
Harmonix will put in what is good. And the reason that mostly old music is being put in is because...well...most modern music sucks. Modern music is very repetetive, has very poor vocals (emo) or just lacks musical talent (nu metal...). I will admit that some modern music is pretty good however.
THANK YOUFinally someone agrees with me.
Phiromos
07-20-2007, 08:02 AM
THANK YOUFinally someone agrees with me.
Yes...GNR and i thank you whole heartedly for getting our point across...todays music...isnt good...and biast opinions on this topic just make people look like an ass....i dont care if they put some new music in..but they need music that rocks..and the older stuff does a better job of it than new music...it doesnt rock its just...sob stories about the singers lives
Phrank-E
07-20-2007, 08:11 AM
The problem with Children of Bodom and the like is.. Who the hell will step up to a mic? There is singing in this game.. Who can bark like the cookie monster all night besides the guys who do it professionally? This needs to be fun, Not send people to doctors.
And both the GH games had a pretty fair mix of pre 90 and post 90 music. There were the same amount of people complaing about it all being old, as there were ones *****ing about it all being to new. These guys are doing a greta job at mixing it up. Given that there are four parts to be considered... Thier job of picking the best songs to use is getting tougher and tougher. You should have respect for them that they are even attempting this ambitious project. Two years ago the forums were rife with people saying a full band game with drums and vocals would be the bomb. And thousands of other nerds went on for days about how it would be impossible. Now here we are, Our dreams are being answered and all you can do is ***** ***** ***** and ***** more.
Rock this Town is a supreme example of Rock-a-billy, Not a huge genre but one that needed representing none the less.
Institutionalized is bad ass. Suicidal Tendancies was the forefather of Rage against the Machine and hundreds of other bands that is playing in skate parks across the nation.
Coldplayer
07-20-2007, 08:27 AM
I agree, I also want less old rock songs and more modern and better known stuff!
Coldplayer
07-20-2007, 08:41 AM
Just 'cause your a teen dousn't mean you have to listen to crap music. Classic Rock and Metal, that's all the good music out there.
lol, those two genres are actually the ones I don't like.
I know, Guitar Hero 2 was almost only Classic Rock and Metal, but I still played it because I loved the Gameplay.
But my biggest wish for Rockband is modern music, and other genres. There are such great bands out there today! Great Alternative bands like Bloc Party or Placebo.
I think Harmonix knows that because they made a pretty good list so far. There is classic rock in it for all you classic rock fans but there is also new, different (from classic rock) music like Strokes, Hives, QOTSA, Foo Fighters, Weezer! And I'm hoping for more of those! Bring in even more variety and add some Modern Punk music in it, like Papa Roach. And some totaly outstanding stuff like Angels & Airwaves.
Coldplayer
07-20-2007, 08:46 AM
sorry, douple post.
RiffMeister
07-20-2007, 10:15 AM
i mean some is good but a lot of it just gets boring
put in newer music or if you have to put in old songs then actually pick good ones
unlike "rock this town"
I think..... to satisfy most everyone, that there should be commerical hits, ie almost anything that you would hear on a "Classic Rock" station (which is ALL about hits, and singles.....) AND, in addition to that, there should be great album cuts that ARE NOT currently on Classic Rock radio. The same thind would for Alternative Rock radio. They play their "hits".... and I'm sure there is much on those albums that ROCK even better than the hits.... In a few cases the Hits are truly outstanding rockers, ie Megadeth's "Symphony of Destruction".
In the case of Aerosmith..... well .... I personally would ignore all of the radio songs, and go for songs of ROCKS like "Rats In The Cellar" and "Nobody's Fault"..... But, NEVER forget that MTV has stake in all this, and it would be foolish to think that all of those 80's Aerosmith video songs wouldn't be first on the producer's minds.....
But hopefully, there will some listening to what great Hard Rock fans want from all the bands that have produced great Hard Rock, even though some band may have gotten much more popularity and record sales from their "commercial / pop" rock. IE Cheap Trick's debut is a Hard Rock Masterpiece! But, really, they are better known to record execx and media heads as a Power "Pop" band..... "Surrender" and "I Want You To Want Me" being favored for the masses over "Daddy Should Have Stayed in High School" or "He's A Whore"---- but these ARE great Hard Rock songs, and always will be.
But also think of this.... the synergy of Rockband supporting what is already being played on corporate radio stations playlists, by picking songs that are already on those corporate playlists!!!! A dream come true for network owners of Classic Rock stations across the country!! But sadly.... not my Dream!!
Monsterpoptart
07-20-2007, 12:47 PM
im a teen, and i listen to mainly classic metal. but there are a lot of really good modern bands too that i like, so i think they should have a nice mix and leave everybody happy in the end :D
Nitz13
07-20-2007, 06:42 PM
are you forgetting they are gonna have Hundreds maybe thousands of songs up for Download
I'm sure there will be a wide span of musical genres.
and I'm really getting tired of all these "What I like is best, everything else sucks" posts
just because you don't like it, doesn't make it crap and that it shouldn't be in the game
I'm sure they'll will do a good job at accommodating everyones musical tastes
Kang_Zircon
07-20-2007, 07:34 PM
It's not really fair to say all modern music is crap. Groups like Muse and The Killers have some of the best songs I've heard in years. It's just that "Classic Rock" stations have had the benefit of 20+ years of filtering through all the crap and playing only the best songs/bands that existed in that era.
I'm curious at to what people mean by "modern music." 2000 or later? Or even more recent. I'm probably showing my age a bit here, but I consider Foo Fighers modern...
iceman1992
07-21-2007, 05:30 AM
rock band is about having fun with the best songs for every instrument not picking all old music just bc people like it
and mos of the newer songs out take full attention to every instrument
tharshmetalUK
07-21-2007, 05:42 AM
When theres some decent new music to put in the game then yes i agree. But there isn't apart from Trivium and the new megadeth, maiden and slayer albums.
iceman1992
07-21-2007, 11:02 AM
then you guys dont listen to like any music bc there are a lot of good new songs
fragpirate
07-21-2007, 11:09 AM
then you guys dont listen to like any music bc there are a lot of good new songs
there is some newer stuff that i like (hellyeah, slipknot, stone sour, blackstone cherry to name a few) but most of my faveorites lie in the sweet spot of late 80s to early 90s.
Jsnkr9216
07-21-2007, 01:58 PM
Rock This Town is one of the best songs in the games. And Institutionalized in the best guitar track in the game. Especially on hard.
Just because you were born in 1995 and like Fallout Girl doesn't mean they need to add it.
They add old music because it's better than 95% of the **** out today. Only a couple bands in my mind nowadays are worthy of being in Rock Band/Guitar Hero and they are
Trivium, Buckcherry, Audioslave, Buckethead & Friends, Hinder, Exodus (Old and new), Saosin, Pearl Jam and the list goes on.
But most metal bands now all sound the same. All pop sucks and rap shouldn't be mentioned.
KingColon
07-21-2007, 02:59 PM
I don't belong in this goddamned generation.
Eman311
07-21-2007, 03:07 PM
Depends on the song really.........i mean a lot of modern music does suck quite a bit.
case in point : the new linkin park album
MetalChickenDragon
07-21-2007, 03:16 PM
id agree, most of guitar hero players are teens so give us more modern stuff
Are you really that narrow minded? Good music is good music. Period. If you pay attention to the year something was released then you are missing the point of the music in the first place. I listen to both older and newer stuff. I don't listen to FM radio though. Only XM radio because free radio seems to only play for the masses where I live.
Keep listening to your commercial crap and listen to what record labels and radios want you to listen to all you won't. Just never enter a serious music conversation with your state of mind.
I'm 15. So don't think I'm some old dude lost in the past. I just recognize good music when I hear it.
Have a nice day and think you for shopping Wal Mart
MetalChickenDragon
07-21-2007, 03:26 PM
Rock This Town is one of the best songs in the games. And Institutionalized in the best guitar track in the game. Especially on hard.
Just because you were born in 1995 and like Fallout Girl doesn't mean they need to add it.
They add old music because it's better than 95% of the **** out today. Only a couple bands in my mind nowadays are worthy of being in Rock Band/Guitar Hero and they are
Trivium, Buckcherry, Audioslave, Buckethead & Friends, Hinder, Exodus (Old and new), Saosin, Pearl Jam and the list goes on.
But most metal bands now all sound the same. All pop sucks and rap shouldn't be mentioned.
Bands like Buckcherry, and Hinder are a dime a dozen. You should also define your definition of pop because pop simply stands for "popular" and last time I checked bands like Audioslave, Pearl Jam,Trivium, Buckcherry, and Hinder of pretty popular.
I love how you say Trivium is good but then say most metal bands now all sound the same. When I hear Trivium, all I can hear is some dudes trying to write Metallica songs.
You should also clarify what kind of rap you are talking about. If you think all rap is the same you are very ignorant. I use the word ignorant not to insult you or accuse you of being "stupid" but I use it for its actual definition which is something like: "lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact"- dictionary.com
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u302/bin_recycled/themoreyouknow.jpg
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iceman1992
07-22-2007, 12:50 AM
Depends on the song really.........i mean a lot of modern music does suck quite a bit.
case in point : the new linkin park album
ok first the new linkin park album has 4 good songs its not that bad
and all of you that say that all new music sucks is bc you probably have some kind of mp3 player with all old music and dont pay attention to any music today
try listening to new music before you say anything about it
Eman311
07-22-2007, 01:01 AM
ok first the new linkin park album has 4 good songs its not that bad
and all of you that say that all new music sucks is bc you probably have some kind of mp3 player with all old music and dont pay attention to any music today
try listening to new music before you say anything about it
I am much in tune with music today, seeing as most of my favorite bands are modern.
And that album does not have one good song on it. Except No More Sorrow.
iceman1992
07-22-2007, 02:11 AM
I am much in tune with music today, seeing as most of my favorite bands are modern.
And that album does not have one good song on it. Except No More Sorrow.
are you kidding me that song sucks the good songs on there are Bleed it Out, Given Up, What I've Done, and Leave out all the rest
Eman311
07-22-2007, 02:15 AM
are you kidding me that song sucks the good songs on there are Bleed it Out, Given Up, What I've Done, and Leave out all the rest
Leave out all the rest is decent. But the other 3, especially what i've done, are complete crap. What I've done may be the worst single to ever hit the radio. Ever.
BobLoblaw
07-22-2007, 02:18 AM
Guitar Hero 2 and what has been announced for RB so far are pretty spread out through the decades, imo. I'd prefer they had more classic rock, though, or at the very least stop picking such shi.tty modern songs.
Eman311
07-22-2007, 02:19 AM
I though Muse in gh3 was a very good move. I ****ing love Muse
bball4lif91
07-22-2007, 06:09 AM
Leave out all the rest is decent. But the other 3, especially what i've done, are complete crap. What I've done may be the worst single to ever hit the radio. Ever.
I was actually disappointed in the cd when it first came out, but it grew on me the only song I really don't like is In Between. On to the topic though... I think there should be more modern songs on the playlist only because more teens listen to modern music then classic music, and more teens play would play this game than adults would. I know there are teens who listen to classic music which why I don't think it should be completly taken out of the game. Also I don't think that classic music sucks I just think that modern music is better because it's what I grew up listening to.
Akaymay
07-22-2007, 09:41 AM
Just 'cause your a teen dousn't mean you have to listen to crap music. Classic Rock and Metal, that's all the good music out there.
Yeah, I'm only 15, ALL I listen to is classic/arena rock. AC/DC, Black Sabbath, Whitesnake, Guns N Roses, Van Halen. Bah, new music sucks, it's all just random screaming, and depressing.
Rev0lver
07-22-2007, 10:12 AM
Bah, new music sucks, it's all just random screaming, and depressing.
if thats what you think. don't post in intellectual discussions.
KingColon
07-22-2007, 03:05 PM
if thats what you think. don't post in intellectual discussions.
Well it's pretty much true. Most rock now-a-days isn't rock at all. It's just a bunch of chords and screaming.
Still, I think we can all agree that Alternative Rock blows.
LavatoryLoveMachine
07-22-2007, 03:09 PM
The problem with this is that modern rock sucks. Too bad.
It wouldnt kill you emos to learn about how REAL musicians played, and helped rock and roll evolve.
HardRockerBrazil
07-23-2007, 12:42 AM
Just 'cause your a teen dousn't mean you have to listen to crap music. Classic Rock and Metal, that's all the good music out there.
The problem with this is that modern rock sucks. Too bad.
It wouldnt kill you emos to learn about how REAL musicians played, and helped rock and roll evolve.
Best. Replies. Ever.
whofan
07-23-2007, 01:10 AM
Let's face it people, music is a very personal thing and most people don't agree on things. Calling each other "morons" and "ignorant" for expressing an opinion is ignorant yourself.
Nobody here knows what anyone else listens to or has heard. So, therefore you can not accurately comment on whether or not they actually are ignorant of what constitutes modern music.
To the person who contended that more teens play this game than adults and therefore the song list should be slanted towards modern rock. That's a load of bull. First of all, why should you exclude the foundations of everything that is out there today just because some teens think it's "not cool"? A proper balance is what is needed here. Second of all, where do you get your facts from? Do you know for a fact that more teens than adults play this game? What are the percentages? I think you should do some research to back up your claims prior to stating them in a very matter-of-factly way.
The first 2 Guitar Hero games had a nice balance between Classic and Modern, and I, for one, would like to see it kept that way. I intensly dislike most modern music, but also realize that there are people out there who love it. Why should they be forced to play my ideal game (which would be all Classic Rock and Classic Metal from 1962-1991) or why should I be forced to play theirs?
A nice balance should be, and will be, struck between classic and modern and all of these threads about "no more classics!!!!111!!! should be stopped because they're pointless. The tracklist isn't going to be restricted to just the 40 licensed tracks on the disc. There's going to be many more bonus tracks plus over 100 songs released over the first year through downloads. Every genre and age will probably be adequately represented.
To those who are saying it's not fair to just things through DLC, well how else would you recommend bringing this content? Discs only have a certain amount of space and it's not sufficient to hold everything and downloads allow you to pick and choose what you want so that you don't have to come on here and complain about how the tracklist contains too many classic songs.
Think about it.
WildarmsRogue
07-23-2007, 03:14 AM
Dude, new music sucks. All it is now is My Chemical Romance, Linkin Park, Nelly, Beyonce, and Fall Out Boy. it's GARBAGE.
I'm 13, and that's my opinion.
Don't slit your wrists and stay in school kids.
Consolcwby
07-23-2007, 03:01 PM
I think if you look at how this thread has progressed, you will see that everyone has different opinions on what great or even good music is. It is totally subjective. THAT'S WHY we will not see too much current rock in this game. For every person you satisfy, you'll piss off ten others. It's why classic rock is safe. Most people understand WHY it's classic - because they're popular and don't piss off many people if they get included. I mean, who's going to ***** and whine incessently about an early Metallica song? Or a David Bowie song?... But they will if you include ANYTHING that came out within the last 24 months. It's too much risk - not enough reward for Harmonix. If they DO release current hits, expect them to be DLC - in which case, they can be overlooked if you hate them.
I, for one, hate what's come out in the last 3 or 4 years... but then again, I'm a very old man by this thread starter's standards. ANCIENT. So, I'll take my ancient music... I don't mind. =D
GARahn
07-23-2007, 03:06 PM
I don't really see how some of you guys think that we need more music of one type, over another. Just pick music that sounds good, has kickass solo's... But no emo ****... that's the last thing we need in Rock Band... Take something holy, and rub a turd all over it.
Desensitized
07-23-2007, 05:01 PM
Dude, new music sucks. All it is now is My Chemical Romance, Linkin Park, Nelly, Beyonce, and Fall Out Boy. it's GARBAGE.
I'm 13, and that's my opinion.
Don't slit your wrists and stay in school kids.
Just like in the 80s, the best music nowadays is underground or on indie labels. There are very few worthwhile mainstream bands, but there are a few.
You just have to dig for them.
tmanrocks
07-23-2007, 05:06 PM
Dude, new music sucks. All it is now is My Chemical Romance, Linkin Park, Nelly, Beyonce, and Fall Out Boy. it's GARBAGE.
I'm 13, and that's my opinion.
Don't slit your wrists and stay in school kids.
I pity your inability to go on the internet and go SEARCH for modern music from bands within DIFFERENT GENRES , and different countries.
Music is as good as it has ever been , but if you are ******ed and beleive MTV and your radio is the only source of music in the universe.... then thats your problem not mine
Cosmicstar
07-23-2007, 05:24 PM
Old music was the best.
pure_rocker
07-23-2007, 06:13 PM
i mean some is good but a lot of it just gets boring
put in newer music or if you have to put in old songs then actually pick good ones
unlike rock this town
also never ever put in a song like institutionalized in the game again
i agree i think institutionalized was thee dumbest song on any guitar hero game including the bonus songs
iceman1992
07-24-2007, 12:59 AM
thank you
god that song was so ***
and some kid actualluy like it somehow
Jarrod20
07-24-2007, 01:08 AM
IDK Yes We Can gives the Institutionalized song a run for its money.
pure_rocker
07-24-2007, 07:36 AM
ya but yes we can is a bonus so you dont have to beat it to beat the game on hard or expert
Phrank-E
07-24-2007, 09:01 AM
Suicidal Tendencies were pure awesomeness.. Try this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSRWliB13rY
LavatoryLoveMachine
07-24-2007, 01:57 PM
YES!! tmanrocks! Its not that new music sucks! I mean, Iced Earth's NEW album is gonna kick ass. Its not a matter of modern music that much...its a matter of genres. Rock and roll has gone downhill.
Metal hasn't. It has in places that vomit grindcore and metalcore, and emo bull. But people that listen to real Metal know...today we are witnessing awesome bands coming out from everywhere. In the US theres a bomb of 80s style thrash bands coming out with demos exploding. And from big label bands....new awesome **** comes out all the time.
Someone said here that its subjective. NO. Its not subjective. Theres a great degree of objectiveness when it comes to music. Thats why people go to music school. Thats why theres such a thing as music theory. Theres objectively better music than others. But, in fairness, the term is still loose. One way to consider objectiveness is this: every individual will say something, but they say it reasonably, and logically, therefore, objectively. That doesnt mean, philosophically, theres better music than others. Like scientists. They say different things, but each uses reason, and scientific methods to explain themselves. They dont use subjective knowledge they acquired by a spur of emotion.
But come on. Music is so important, its a shame people waste it listening to emo ****, or pop music. You are always gonna get the same thing over and over, no experimentation: no real musicianship. For these "artists", the word structure is a one way road. The same structure on everything they do, the same rythms, the same feel....like the modern world, its a big, gray, colorless pile of "same".
GrayInvisible
07-24-2007, 02:15 PM
YES!! tmanrocks! Its not that new music sucks! I mean, Iced Earth's NEW album is gonna kick ass. Its not a matter of modern music that much...its a matter of genres. Rock and roll has gone downhill.
You hit right on spot with that. That's the reason Rock fans are upset while metal fans are happy about modern music. I didn't even think of it that way. The reason some people like modern music more is because their genres are flourishing while Rock and Punk are suffering. I being a fan of New Wave, and Classic rock are one of the people hit hard.
Consolcwby
07-24-2007, 03:33 PM
I hate to say it, but the real reason you're not seeing songs from the last 1-3 years is because the songs are too 'new' and would require hefty fees to include in the game. The record companies are more into making a buck with the new stuff and see putting old stuff in something like a 'kid's game' as just recycling. BTW: That's the reason why old songs are remade/covered in films - there's no money in it for the companies unless it's fairly new.
Is it unfair? Sure. But wtf can Harmonix do about it? If they had to pay $1M+ for each song, the game would probably cost $200 WITHOUT the controllers! =S
Sorry about that, but that's why you're not seeing the stuff... unless it's really massively obscure, in which case - it won't be in because no one knows about it. =D
tmanrocks
07-24-2007, 05:53 PM
Is it unfair? Sure. But wtf can Harmonix do about it? If they had to pay $1M+ for each song, the game would probably cost $200 WITHOUT the controllers! =S
Bullcrap!
If you asked some sweet modern band who gets no radio or TV play I bet they would let their songs in at minimal or no price at all
Consolcwby
07-24-2007, 09:00 PM
Bullcrap!
If you asked some sweet modern band who gets no radio or TV play I bet they would let their songs in at minimal or no price at all
Sure, the BAND would - but if they have a record deal, MOST rights that deal with distribution are given over to the label/company. The band has no real say in the matter.
You do know that record companies pay **** for sales and royalties, right? Just about all bands make their real cash from concerts and tours.
Licensing music is another way to make money - but usually on the back end not the band:
(And before you say that Harmonix is NOT licensing songs, check out rockband.com under songlist, it clearly states that there are 40 licensed songs from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and 2000s!)
Quoted from Howstuffworks (http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-licensing2.htm):
**Licensing the Song
In the case of a "real song", like something you would hear on a top-40 radio play-list, there are several different parties involved with the song:
The label owns the actual sound recording -- the performance of the song as recorded in the label's studio.
The publisher works on behalf of the song's composer (the person who arranged the music) and songwriter (the person who wrote the lyrics). The composer and songwriter probably own the actual copyrights for the song, and the publisher represents them in all business dealings. If you want to use a song for any reason, you have to somehow obtain rights at least from the publisher, and possibly from the label as well (if you are planning to use a specific performance). Here are just a few examples of when you need to obtain rights:
You own a radio station and you want to play a song on your station.
You own a restaurant and you want to play songs as background music.
You are making a commercial and you want to use a song in the commercial.
You are making a toy and you want it to play a song when a child pushes a button.
You are making a video production and you want a song as background music.
Perhaps half a billion dollars trade hands every year through licensing fees
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Emphasis added by me.
Now I'm NOT claiming to be an expert on the music business, but I HAVE worked in FILM PRODUCTION - and from my understanding, this is the way it DOES work. I'm not trying to say that you DON'T have a valid arguement, but this is just the way the world works. If you notice in GH1&2, the Bonus Songs were from local bands from around the country who gave permission to USE the songs in the game because THEY OWNED THE RIGHTS. Also, covers for the actual songs were used because Harmonix did NOT have access to the multitrack masters - the upside being that LICENSING FEES ARE EXTREMELY LOW comparatively. When you sign a deal for a song, the band HAS to give up some or all of those rights. I'm sorry - it's just the way things are.
(If someone from Harmonix could help me out here a little, it would be appreciated...)
Saltines
07-24-2007, 10:17 PM
I'm with say, alot of the guys here.
I'm young, but i dont like much mainstream music, if any at all. It doesnt catch my interest. No mainstream bands have ever produced a song that gave me that little feeling that i get when i pop in an old Ozzy, or Guns N' Roses CD.
Now, look closely, i said MAINSTREAM. Please make sure you know the difference between mainstream and new/modern music. I am very picky, as I am sure some of you are, about my musical tastes. I do love most of the classic music, but just because I like music in that time period doesn't mean I'm thrown into the group of huge classic rockers, glam and hair metal rockers, ect ect. I hate most glam/hair metal. I do like some of the more modern bands, not many, but some. I don't like alot of heavy, thrash, death metal ect ect. I could never get into that either. One of my favorite bands is a band that recently popped up a few years ago. Valient Thorr, they are a great band. Psychedelic Rock. Honestly I think you guys should give em a listen, tehy had the track fall of Pangea in GH2. I like some Drist as well, not much, but some of its pretty good.
What most of you fail to realize is that music is music. If a song is fun or catchy, or just plain insane.. It's a good choice for RB, or GH. Alot of you think just because you find a band amazing and love a certain song that it should be in the games. Thats not really how it should go, I like some songs that I think sound great.. but would no be suitable for GH or RB by ANY means.
Yes, modern music will probably bring in more customers.
And that mix of classic, modern, ect ect will keep us here.
U2Phreak1969
04-27-2008, 03:39 PM
I just resurrected this thread from page 261 (and July of last year) to prove that even back then people were complaining that Harmonix was too focused in the past.
Personally, I don't think they are focused there. I just think that is where they can get the cheapest rights to music.
Anyways, just making my case.
xerichx07
04-27-2008, 07:01 PM
I'm not going to make a giant list, but some modern bands (1990-present) are amazing. You just have to dig through all the ENDLESS CRAP that's polluting the airwaves to get to them.
EDIT: I'm talking about different genres of metal.
Also, hard rock and a limited selection of alternative bands.
deevineh8tred
04-27-2008, 07:03 PM
Just 'cause your a teen dousn't mean you have to listen to crap music. Classic Rock and Metal, that's all the good music out there.
dude, thats me defined, metal and classic rock lol hell yeah
nicholasenj
04-27-2008, 07:09 PM
there's a reason there is a lot of old music on rock band.
old music is, for the most part, good.
the simple reason being that the only bands we remember 20 years later are the good ones, so when we go to the 70's and 80's for tracks, we have many good bands and songs to choose from.
crap released in the past five years does not allow benefit of hind sight and to get the occasional gem you have to sort through tons of s***.
LavatoryLoveMachine
05-02-2008, 01:30 PM
Also, where the good music is.
Thats not true. Good rock n roll and metal music is still out there. You just wont see it on music television. Forget music television exists, especially you my friends in the US, and start using the internet.
U2Phreak1969
05-02-2008, 02:13 PM
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?p=583524#post583524
Check out this thread before any more b@tching is done! HMXSean has answered our prayers and pleadings!!!
LavatoryLoveMachine
05-02-2008, 06:01 PM
Your prayers were to have that bullsh!t in the game?
ok....
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