Reccomend me some screamy songs

[Cubecubed]

can you guys think of any band that feature screaming and use it well? I used to automatically hate screaming in music but have developed an appreciation for the talent it takes to do it. It can be any genre really(metal,punk,rock,alt rock,emo even). Thanks in advance!!!

[Alright_Computer]

This band is pretty cool. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TH5ibABP4U&fmt=18)

(sorry I couldn't help more)

[afterstasis]

you may want to list what bands you enjoy that utilize screaming.

[Cubecubed]

This band is pretty cool. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TH5ibABP4U&fmt=18)

(sorry I couldn't help more)

i hate you. :p

[Cubecubed]

you may want to list what bands you enjoy that utilize screaming.

oh boy im going to get lacerated for this

some of coheed's earlier songs like this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Q7ZQVSUgY) starts at 2:17

some rise against (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im1tmCFpVWs)

billy talent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l6SzRIlEHQ)

are really the only bands i listen to that utilize it at all....hence why im trying to find more,lol.

[JasUchiha]

Bring Me the Horizon
Beneath the Sky
Bullet For My Valentine
Avenged Sevenfold
Atreyu
Silverstein
All That Remains
The Black Dahlia Murder
Abnormality (lmao) jk'ing
As I Lay Dying
Chimaira
Drop Dead, Gorgeous
Killswitch Engage
--All I can think of right now, sorry if this isn't what you're looking for.
Emo kid delivering ;)

[JasUchiha]

This band is pretty cool. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TH5ibABP4U&fmt=18)

(sorry I couldn't help more)

lmao

[tridentgum0]

Bring Me the Horizon
Bullet For My Valentine
Avenged Sevenfold
Atreyu
As I Lay Dying
Killswitch Engage


Under no circumstances should you listen to these bands. All they will cause is self-destruction of the brain and menstrual periods in the ear.

Wait, what?

[MrFruitLord]

Under no circumstances should you listen to these bands. All they will cause is self-destruction of the brain and menstrual periods in the ear.

Wait, what?

Agreed.

[Cubecubed]

Under no circumstances should you listen to these bands. All they will cause is self-destruction of the brain and menstrual periods in the ear.

Wait, what?

ummmm......i dont know.

[JasUchiha]

Under no circumstances should you listen to these bands. All they will cause is self-destruction of the brain and menstrual periods in the ear.

Wait, what?

whatever floats your boat, i'm a 4.3 gpa student in high school, and i listen to a lot more screamo then just these bands, i dont think my brain is self destructing

[supernova1324]

Funeral Diner!

[JasUchiha]

Funeral Diner!

nice sig dude

[afterstasis]

whatever floats your boat, i'm a 4.3 gpa student in high school, and i listen to a lot more screamo then just these bands, i dont think my brain is self destructing

none of the bands you listed are anywhere near screamo.

[tridentgum0]

whatever floats your boat, i'm a 4.3 gpa student in high school, and i listen to a lot more screamo then just these bands, i dont think my brain is self destructing

The thing: None of those bands are of the Screamo genre.

[JasUchiha]

The thing: None of those bands are of the Screamo genre.
Ummmmm, yes they are
you're telling me Bring Me the Horizon is not screamo?
Beneath the Sky?
Silverstein?
someone needs to get their facts straight

Here are some more bands


Haste the Day
The Devil Wear Prada
From Autumn to Ashes
Ages End
Alesana
Norma Jean
Before Their Eyes
Burden of The Day
Before We Forget
A Day to Remeber
Gwen Stacey
Ice Nine Kills
SO I Prayed
Chiodos
Suis La Lune
Neil Perry
Orchid
Loma Prieta
Jerome's Dream
The Kodan Armada
June Paik
Joshua Fit For Battle
Hassan I Sabbah
Envy
Textbook Traitors
The Apoplexy Twist Orchestra
Shikari
is that "screamo" enough for u Trident?

[afterstasis]

Haste the Day
The Devil Wear Prada
From Autumn to Ashes
Ages End
Alesana
Norma Jean
Before Their Eyes
Burden of The Day
Before We Forget
A Day to Remeber
Gwen Stacey
Ice Nine Kills
SO I Prayed
Chiodos
Suis La Lune
Neil Perry
Orchid
Loma Prieta
Jerome's Dream
The Kodan Armada
June Paik
Joshua Fit For Battle
Hassan I Sabbah
Envy
Textbook Traitors
The Apoplexy Twist Orchestra
Shikari
is that "screamo" enough for u Trident?

do you really not see the difference between the majority of the top and the bottom bands?

[Ultimatum]

whatever floats your boat, i'm a 4.3 gpa student in high school, and i listen to a lot more screamo then just these bands, i dont think my brain is self destructing

OH NOES, YOU CAN MEZMORIZE STOOFS BETTER THAN I CANZ!!!!

Yeah, none of what you first listed is Screamo, or even close.

[tridentgum0]

Just because it has screaming, doesn't mean it's Screamo.

[JasUchiha]

do you really not see the difference between the majority of the top and the bottom bands?

no i dont, please show me

[afterstasis]

no i dont, please show me

i'll do no such thing, but i assure you that there's a massive difference drawn between chiodos and suis la lune on your list.

it's very interesting how your list is so obviously segregated if you see no difference. almost everything below chiodos is really good, by the way.

[JasUchiha]

OH NOES, YOU CAN MEZMORIZE STOOFS BETTER THAN I CANZ!!!!

Yeah, none of what you first listed is Screamo, or even close.

i'm pretty sure, the second list the majority is actually screamo

[JasUchiha]

i'll do no such thing, but i assure you that there's a massive difference drawn between chiodos and suis la lune on your list.

it's very interesting how your list is so obviously segregated if you see no difference. almost everything below chiodos is really good, by the way.

ok, i see what you mean, and thanks

[Ultimatum]

i'm pretty sure, the second list the majority is actually screamo

The bottom half is.

[JasUchiha]

hopefully the op gets something out of this
time to go sit back in a corner

[Gowienczyk]

no i dont, please show me

Haha. Alesana and that crap has nothing in common musically with Orchid and such. Get out of HOR.

[cdestey]

I'm still not sure what "screamo" actually is, but The Kodan Armada is f'ing great.

I'm told pg. 99 is also a screamo band, they are (were) also excellent.

[JasUchiha]

Haha. Alesana and that crap has nothing in common musically with Orchid and such. Get out of HOR.

whatever, i like both. and i'm sorry i dont really care what anyone thinks anymore

[JasUchiha]

I'm still not sure what "screamo" actually is, but The Kodan Armada is f'ing great.

I'm told pg. 99 is also a screamo band, they are (were) also excellent.

they're good, not excellent

[cdestey]

they're good, not excellent

opinions... y'know?

[Gowienczyk]

opinions... y'know?

It's not like you can take someone who adores Alesana and other tripe seriously!

[JasUchiha]

opinions... y'know?

yup, every1 has their own opinions

[JasUchiha]

It's not like you can take someone who adores Alesana and other tripe seriously!

I didn't say I adored Alesana, i just listed it.

[afterstasis]

ok, i see what you mean, and thanks

no problem... i want to stress that i have no problem with anyone liking any music, but i just see no correlation between a lot of these bands and as an overly defensive longtime fan of screamo i get more annoyed than i should about it.

[MrFruitLord]

whatever floats your boat, i'm a 4.3 gpa student in high school, and i listen to a lot more screamo then just these bands, i dont think my brain is self destructing

Isn't the highest one can get a 4.0 GPA?
Anyway, I just prefer to keeping screaming in my music to a small amount.

[JasUchiha]

no problem... i want to stress that i have no problem with anyone liking any music, but i just see no correlation between a lot of these bands and as an overly defensive longtime fan of screamo i get more annoyed than i should about it.

i'm a fan to, just not as much as u lol
it's cool, i dont normally find anyone else on here that listens to screamo

[JasUchiha]

Isn't the highest one can get a 4.0 GPA?
Anyway, I just prefer to keeping screaming in my music to a small amount.

ap classes

[Mystlyfe77]

Bring Me the Horizon
Beneath the Sky
Bullet For My Valentine
Avenged Sevenfold
Atreyu
Silverstein
All That Remains
The Black Dahlia Murder
Abnormality (lmao) jk'ing
As I Lay Dying
Chimaira
Drop Dead, Gorgeous
Killswitch Engage
--All I can think of right now, sorry if this isn't what you're looking for.
Emo kid delivering ;)

None of those are either emo or screamo (already been covered).


Ummmmm, yes they are
you're telling me Bring Me the Horizon is not screamo?
Beneath the Sky?
Silverstein?
someone needs to get their facts straight

Here are some more bands

Not Screamo.



Haste the Day
The Devil Wear Prada
From Autumn to Ashes
Ages End
Alesana
Norma Jean
Before Their Eyes
Burden of The Day
Before We Forget
A Day to Remeber
Gwen Stacey
Ice Nine Kills
SO I Prayed
Chiodos

Not screamo



Suis La Lune
Neil Perry
Orchid
Loma Prieta
Jerome's Dream
The Kodan Armada
June Paik
Joshua Fit For Battle
Hassan I Sabbah
Envy
Textbook Traitors
The Apoplexy Twist Orchestra
Shikari
is that "screamo" enough for u Trident?

Much more Screamo.


Anyway, to the OP. Any particular style of screaming are you interested in? You referenced vague genres, but not really any particular styles. Black Metal scream != Screamo scream != pig squeal != inhaled scream != growl, etc.

Here's some good screamo (seeing as that's been the focus so far):
Majority Rule
Orchid
United Nations
Circle Take the Square
Saetia
Funeral Diner

[afterstasis]

Saetia


unfortunately, even most of this fantastic band's fans seem to dislike the vocals (i loves 'em).

[JasUchiha]

None of those are either emo or screamo (already been covered).



Not Screamo.



Not screamo



Much more Screamo.


Anyway, to the OP. Any particular style of screaming are you interested in? You referenced vague genres, but not really any particular styles. Black Metal scream != Screamo scream != pig squeal != inhaled scream != growl, etc.

Here's some good screamo (seeing as that's been the focus so far):
Majority Rule
Orchid
United Nations
Circle Take the Square
Saetia
Funeral Diner

still involve screaming, as in what the op asked. regardless of the retarted arguement that happened earlier on.

[Gowienczyk]

Here's some good screamo (seeing as that's been the focus so far):
Majority Rule
Orchid
United Nations
Circle Take the Square
Saetia
Funeral Diner

Would substitute bolded for Raein and Daitro or maybe La Quiete.

[Gowienczyk]

unfortunately, even most of this fantastic band's fans seem to dislike the vocals (i loves 'em).

Obnoxious vocalist, but great instrumentation. Makes up for the vocals by far!

[Mystlyfe77]

unfortunately, even most of this fantastic band's fans seem to dislike the vocals (i loves 'em).

It's a fair point, they don't have the best vocals. Although I don't really mind their high-pitched screaming too much, but the voice of their spoken word/whined ones are annoying.

[JasUchiha]

Obnoxious vocalist, but great instrumentation. Makes up for the vocals by far!

the vocals are sick... "in my opinion" if you care

[afterstasis]

Would substitute bolded for Raein and Daitro or maybe La Quiete.

all good bands, but you took out two of my favorites, gowie! :eek:

[Gowienczyk]

all good bands, but you took out two of my favorites, gowie! :eek:

I only dislike CTTS for what it's worth!

[JasUchiha]

I like La Quiete over United Nations

[Gowienczyk]

That's nice.

[Mystlyfe77]

Boo @ United Nations hatred!

[afterstasis]

Boo @ United Nations hatred!

they're actually the only band from that list i don't like. :)

[JasUchiha]

Boo @ United Nations hatred!

not hatred, i just don't like them

[Mystlyfe77]

Once I clear out some space on my HDD/get a new HDD, I'll dig some more into Screamo. Really only listened to a handful of bands (and only have 1-2 CDs from each). But I'm starting to run out of space, and have other musical endeavors I'm exploring as well. :-/

[afterstasis]

Once I clear out some space on my HDD/get a new HDD, I'll dig some more into Screamo. Really only listened to a handful of bands (and only have 1-2 CDs from each). But I'm starting to run out of space, and have other musical endeavors I'm exploring as well. :-/

i started doing a hardcore punk mix series for the HoR blog (complete with screamo), but quit after one or two entries.

i'd be happy to help whenever your hard-drive's ready.

[JasUchiha]

i'm looking to buy 1-2 cd's of something that would pump me up. idk what to get for screamo. (i'm getting cd's for many genres)
ideas?

[afterstasis]

i'm looking to buy 1-2 cd's of something that would pump me up. idk what to get for screamo. (i'm getting cd's for many genres)
ideas?

wolves - art.culture.work

[JasUchiha]

sweet! thanks a lot

[Onslaught_fei]

Not a fan of screaming or screamo myself. Cant get into it like I can with growls.

[Azatos]

Bring Me the Horizon
Beneath the Sky
Bullet For My Valentine
Avenged Sevenfold
Atreyu
Silverstein
All That Remains
The Black Dahlia Murder
Abnormality (lmao) jk'ing
As I Lay Dying
Chimaira
Drop Dead, Gorgeous
Killswitch Engage
--All I can think of right now, sorry if this isn't what you're looking for.
Emo kid delivering ;)

I facepalmed so hard I broke my f'ing nose.

[tridentgum0]

I facepalmed so hard I broke my f'ing nose.

Abnormality's a good band, the rest either suck or I haven't heard them.

[Squaretriangles]

Abnormality's a good band, the rest either suck or I haven't heard them.

You haven't heard of the Black Dahlia Murder?!?

[JasUchiha]

You haven't heard of the Black Dahlia Murder?!?

thats sad

[tridentgum0]

You haven't heard of the Black Dahlia Murder?!?

No I have. They're tolerable, I wouldn't pay for their songs though.

[Gowienczyk]

You haven't heard of the Black Dahlia Murder?!?

Let's keep it that way.

[timmay9]

Bring Me the Horizon
Beneath the Sky
Bullet For My Valentine
Avenged Sevenfold
Atreyu
Silverstein
All That Remains
The Black Dahlia Murder
Abnormality (lmao) jk'ing
As I Lay Dying
Chimaira
Drop Dead, Gorgeous
Killswitch Engage
--All I can think of right now, sorry if this isn't what you're looking for.
Emo kid delivering ;)

Do you know what emo means?

[Gowienczyk]

Obviously Not!

[MrFruitLord]

do you know what emo means?

lol emo totally meanz metalcorez! Fool!

[timmay9]

Obviously Not!

Well, HMX doesn't either, so no big. :p

[Mystlyfe77]

You haven't heard of the Black Dahlia Murder?!?

They fall under the "suck" category he described.
Really, they're awful. Worse than BFMV.

[Squaretriangles]

Let's keep it that way.

Oh, come on. They're not that bad.

[Gowienczyk]

Oh, come on. They're not that bad.

They are so!

[tridentgum0]

They fall under the "suck" category he described.
Really, they're awful. Worse than BFMV.

Not THAT bad. Nothing's that bad, not even Creed.

[Gowienczyk]

Not THAT bad. Nothing's that bad, not even Creed.

There are bands worse than Bullet For My Valentine.

Look at The Devil Wears Prada for instance!

[dabears116]

There are a few bands worse than BFMV, it's a terrible group, it really is:

3OH!3
Attack Attack!
Brokencyde
Dot Dot Curve
Hollywood Undead

[Squaretriangles]

They are so!

Pray tell, what makes them so horrible for you?

[Mystlyfe77]

Not THAT bad. Nothing's that bad, not even Creed.

I've had the unfortunate experience of staring at the lead vocalist's fat, tattooed, shirtless gut while packed in a sweaty and obnoxious crowd while they played a set. They're that bad.

[Gowienczyk]

They are one of the worst metalcore bands to ever exist is reason enough.

[Mystlyfe77]

Oh yeah, and their dummer's triggers are the most obnoxious sound I've ever heard.

[tridentgum0]

I've had the unfortunate experience of staring at the lead vocalist's fat, tattooed, shirtless gut while packed in a sweaty and obnoxious crowd while they played a set. They're that bad.

Please god tell me you were at that concert for another band...

[Mystlyfe77]

Please god tell me you were at that concert for another band...

Do I sound like I would go to a concert to see The Black Dahlia Murder? Of course I was there for another band!

[Gatorguy91]

There are bands worse than Bullet For My Valentine.

Look at The Devil Wears Prada for instance!

TDWP is not worse then BFMV.

For reccomendations,

I like Frank Carter of Gallows, it's more yelling than screaming what he does but it is enjoyable.

Geoff Rickley's (Thursday) yell is also good.

[Gowienczyk]

TDWP is not worse then BFMV.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[Squaretriangles]

They are one of the worst metalcore bands to ever exist is reason enough.

BFMV or BDM? lolobnoxiouslylongnames

[afterstasis]

Do I sound like I would go to a concert to see The Black Dahlia Murder? Of course I was there for another band!

so how was hollywood undead? :p

[Gowienczyk]

BFMV or BDM? lolobnoxiouslylongnames

TDWP is far worse than the both of them!

[Squaretriangles]

Anywho, ON TOPIC, the vocals on the first Dillinger Escape Plan LP are pretty cool. They really complement the music. And BTBAM has Tommy Rogers, he's pretty awesome, very versatile.

[Mystlyfe77]

so how was hollywood undead? :p

AWESOME! They played all my fav...

...errr...umm.....

[timmay9]

AWESOME! They played all my fav...

...errr...umm.....

l KNEW IT! POSER!

[Shibari]

Screaming sucks.

Go listen to death metal.

[Gatorguy91]

Screaming sucks.

Go listen to death metal.

Death Metal Sucks

Go listen to the sound of a burning goat carcass.

[afterstasis]

Death Metal Sucks

Go listen to the sound of a burning goat carcass.

where can i get this?! i've got what i'm told is burning rabbit on a panicsville disc, but this sounds rad!

[willdabeast21]

I like Alexisonfire personally, probably my favorite band to include screaming
Then again, I'm Canadian so i may be being a little biased...

[bierfaht]

lots of bad metalcore fail on this thread.

late 90s screamo that was awesome: You and I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3QAHuHFkPI&feature=channel_page

more recent band that is great: The Blood Brothers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBABSVZrdVk&feature=related

[afterstasis]

lots of bad metalcore fail on this thread.

late 90s screamo that was awesome: You and I

more recent band that is great: The Blood Brothers

you and i were great and i like some blood brothers tunes...

speaking of metalcore, does anyone else here listen to stuff like catharsis, starkweather, botch, etc?

[bierfaht]

you and i were great and i like some blood brothers tunes...

speaking of metalcore, does anyone else here listen to stuff like catharsis, starkweather, botch, etc?

i liked that whole botch/kissitgoodbye/deadguy thing

coalesce is/was really great, even their zeppelin covers cd

but when i think of good metalcore, it has to be CONVERGE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r84o1ec-GTs&feature=related

i also loved the crap out of Snapcase, but never got into the rest of the victory bands... (what pansy stuff they put out nowadays!)

[Mystlyfe77]

speaking of metalcore, does anyone else here listen to stuff like catharsis, starkweather, botch, etc?

Sometimes, but I tend to stick more to the early 2000s stuff (Converge, Zao, Burst, etc.).

If anyone listens to Earth Crisis, I'm going to shank them.

[bierfaht]

favorite Zao:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KyYtPb30Wg

[WhiffleBallTony]

"Scavenger of Human Sorrow" by Death. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdEPnGUPc5s)

[Bucketheader]

British pride here. I'll mention GALLOWS.

[Mystlyfe77]

favorite Zao:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KyYtPb30Wg

I'd post a better Zao song, but there are no videos of "Psalm of the City of the Dead" on Youtube and it's not on last.fm :(

[Punisher2191]

Avenged Sevenfold (Waking the Fallen/ Sounding the Seventh Trumpet)
Bullet for my Valentine
Atreyu
All That Remains
August Burns Red
In Flames
Killswitch Engage
As I Lay Dying
Trivium
Senses Fail
Children of Bodom
Haste the Day
Unearth
Trogdor (http://www.playlist.com/searchbeta/tracks#Trogdor)

[macamatic]

Yay, another ****-your-opinions-about-metalcore thread! Really guys? He wanted recommendations. I support the crusade against calling metalcore screamo, but posts 51-80 were basically "I DON'T LIKE METALCORE AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU". Give it a rest.

OP: I suggest you check out the following genres and see what interests you.
- some nu-metal (Slipknot comes to mind)
- metalcore
- deathcore
- grindcore
- death metal
- black metal
- screamo (I think?)
- post-hardcore

See which ones you like. Ignore these people trying to tell you what's good.

[timmay9]

Avenged Sevenfold (Waking the Fallen/ Sounding the Seventh Trumpet)
Bullet for my Valentine
Atreyu
All That Remains
August Burns Red
In Flames
Killswitch Engage
As I Lay Dying
Trivium
Senses Fail
Children of Bodom
Haste the Day
Unearth
Trogdor (http://www.playlist.com/searchbeta/tracks#Trogdor)

Is a single one of those bands screamo?


Yay, another ****-your-opinions-about-metalcore thread! Really guys? He wanted recommendations. I support the crusade against calling metalcore screamo, but posts 51-80 were basically "I DON'T LIKE METALCORE AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU". Give it a rest.

OP: I suggest you check out the following genres and see what interests you.
- some nu-metal (Slipknot comes to mind)
- metalcore
- deathcore
- grindcore
- death metal
- black metal
- screamo (I think?)
- post-hardcore

See which ones you like. Ignore these people trying to tell you what's good.

How about we ignore someone who willingly suggests Slipknot, eh?

[macamatic]

Is a single one of those bands screamo?
He never said they were, genius.


How about we ignore someone who willingly suggests Slipknot, eh?
I suggested he listen to them and see if he likes them. That's his business. If you really think that your opinion of a band should determine whether others give them a chance you honestly don't even deserve the right to have an opinion.

God, I swear the average maturity level in this forum is somewhere around an eleven-year-old's. Let other people listen to what they want and stop annoying them.

[Ultimatum]

I can't help but chuckle at the hypocrisy of someone pointing out the forum's perceived immaturity when said poster also has to resort to personal insults.

[Alright_Computer]

Check out Pixies!

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

Beach Boys!!!

[afterstasis]

I can't help but chuckle at the hypocrisy of someone pointing out the forum's perceived immaturity when said poster also has to resort to personal insults.

you're just angry because you don't deserve the right to have an opinion. :rolleyes:

[macamatic]

I can't help but chuckle at the hypocrisy of someone pointing out the forum's perceived immaturity when said poster also has to resort to personal insults.
It's not a personal insult, It's really quite simple: if you're going to use something to hurt people who have done you no wrong, you don't deserve to have it. If you plan to take a gun around killing random people, you don't deserve to own a gun. If you're going to try to force your opinion on people to the point that you try to prevent them from finding music that may please them, you don't deserve to hold that opinion.

It's all about the music that makes you happy. If Slipknot makes the OP happy, that's his own business. There is no good reason to tell him not to listen to them. All you're doing is depriving him of something you have simply because he find it in a different way. If he likes chocolate ice cream and you like vanilla, should he not even try the chocolate? It's immature and rude to tell them not to.

[dabears116]

It's not a personal insult. It's really quite simple: if you're going to use something to hurt people who have done you no wrong, you don't deserve to have it. If you plan to take a gun around killing random people, you don't deserve to own a gun. If you're going to try to force your opinion on people to the point that you try to prevent them from finding music that may please them, you don't deserve to hold that opinion.

It's all about the music that makes you happy. If Slipknot makes the OP happy, that's his own business. There is no good reason to tell him not to listen to them. All you're doing is depriving him of something you have simply because he find it in a different way. If he likes chocolate ice cream and you like vanilla, should he not even try the chocolate? It's immature and rude to tell them not to.You're just ruining one of our favorite activities though. We are kids on top of a colony of ants with a magnifying glass, we put all the frogs we've caught in a bucket and jab at them with sticks. We are here to shoot down everything you once believed.

[Ultimatum]

It's not a personal insult. It's really quite simple: if you're going to use something to hurt people who have done you no wrong, you don't deserve to have it. If you plan to take a gun around killing random people, you don't deserve to own a gun. If you're going to try to force your opinion on people to the point that you try to prevent them from finding music that may please them, you don't deserve to hold that opinion.

Bad analogy is bad.

Simple enough, if the person would rather listen to us instead of his/her self as to what he/she should or should not listen to, that's his/her own fault.