GHWT DLC is Pathetic!!!

[coescastle]

I mean they have one song the last week of may, the first week of June and another 3 pack of crappy European bands for the second week. I mean they have some good songs for dlc, but nothing close to RB. Thank goodness all I bought was the Metallica albulm to go with their game. Maybe that's why Activision comes up with all these games, to make up for their mediocre dlc collection. :eek:

[timmay9]

Irony says what now?

[Samuel346]

I mean they have one song the last week of may, the first week of June and another 3 pack of crappy European bands for the second week. I mean they have some good songs for dlc, but nothing close to RB. Thank goodness all I bought was the Metallica albulm to go with their game. Maybe that's why Activision comes up with all these games, to make up for their mediocre dlc collection. :eek:

I'm not going to read all the replies, I can imagine the pro-activision comments.


And no, I'm not biased to either company- really. Read my posts on the Rock Band forum.



Why is Neversoft/Activision doing what they're doing?

Because people are stupid enough to buy it.


Why in the hell would they release good DLC when they can take the Guitar Hero 3 engine and put a band name on it and everyone will buy?

Think about it. Their sales are still higher than Rock Band, because they have the Guitar Hero name, even though Rock Band has more content.


Why put forth effort when minimal effort gets you money money money?




Blame NO ONE for the way the Guitar Hero name is being handle except your own stupid consumer buying where brand name matters more than content.



The thing is... let's look at it like it's a real life situation.


Let's say you have two positions.

You can work for $200 a week, or you can collect unemployment for $250 a week. [But I stipulated that every week over the first 50 weeks you lost a dollar a week]

Which would you choose?


Point- why do anything when doing nothing, besides acquiring the Guitar Hero name, gets you more money than another doing even more work? Even if you'll lose eventually.





Quoting my posts here...
http://community.guitarhero.com/forums/55708/forum_topics/1017749?page=3

[Gowienczyk]

Lock in 5...4...3...2...

[coescastle]

Irony says what now?

No irony, I'm glad they're putting out more games because it all works out for me. I'll buy all their games and most of RB's dlc. That saves me money than having to buy dlc for both games. See what I mean there Timmayyyy Lib LAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! :)

[timmay9]

No irony, I'm glad they're putting out more games because it all works out for me. I'll buy all their games and most of RB's dlc. That saves me money than having to buy dlc for both games. See what I mean there Timmayyyy Lib LAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! :)

You obviously don't get the meaning of irony.

[Samuel346]

I'm glad they're putting out more games

Thank you for proving EXACTLY what I said.


And thus your complaint dies in your hypocrisy.

[coescastle]

Thank you for proving EXACTLY what I said.


And thus your complaint dies in your hypocrisy.

Did I say I hate Activision for putting out more games, no I didn't. Just stating the obvious and what a crappy dlc collection they have.

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

Aren't you the guy that said that HMX will lose a lot of money because they didn't make a RB3 this year?

Guess it is cool that they didn't because we might not have had this awesome DLC otherwise.

[Daemius]

I mean they have one song the last week of may, the first week of June and another 3 pack of crappy European bands for the second week. I mean they have some good songs for dlc, but nothing close to RB. Thank goodness all I bought was the Metallica albulm to go with their game. Maybe that's why Activision comes up with all these games, to make up for their mediocre dlc collection. :eek:

Don't hate on the European bands man. Personally, I think HMX could do with showing some more love for the Euro-bands.

Other than that, I agree :D WT DLC is the pits.

[Mystlyfe77]

The thing is... let's look at it like it's a real life situation.


Let's say you have two positions.

You can work for $200 a week, or you can collect unemployment for $250 a week. [But I stipulated that every week over the first 50 weeks you lost a dollar a week]

Which would you choose?

Except, that's the reverse. It takes a lot more work to create a whole game rather than to chart some new DLC tracks. Each new game requires new character models, new textures, new features (if a full evolution), new artwork, new "storyline" (GH games have them anyway), new ad campaign, and (obviously) new charting for new songs.

There are two different business models being used here (though neither are all the way to the extreme, and both are clearly stealing some tricks from the other, though putting their own spins on them).

Activision/Neversoft are doing pretty much the opposite of "minimal effort." They're dumping all their effort into it at once, and milking their product for everything they can.


edit: And in no way shape or form am I calling HMX lazy. I personally prefer this structure, and the options provided to me via DLC.

[Cubecubed]

i bought

Panic Switch,Black Betty,Fat Bottom Girls,You KNow youre right,and 1979....thats all i could find.

[Samuel346]

Except, that's the reverse. It takes a lot more work to create a whole game rather than to chart some new DLC tracks. Each new game requires new character models, new textures, new features (if a full evolution), new artwork, new "storyline" (GH games have them anyway), new ad campaign, and (obviously) new charting for new songs.

Have you played these [Insert band name] here based games?


It's the same engine, the only thing that changes is that add the character models and such.

Really it's a much lazier approach.

The game core is just a copy of a copy. They barely rewrote the engine for WT for godsake.

[ThunderCurls]

I'm not going to read all the replies, I can imagine the pro-activision comments.

There are hardly any pro-activision comments at all, just letting you know. Everybody is angry.

[Mystlyfe77]

Have you played these [Insert band name] here based games?


It's the same engine, the only thing that changes is that add the character models and such.

Really it's a much lazier approach.

The game core is just a copy of a copy. They barely rewrote the engine for WT for godsake.

Yes, I have.

You write off character modelling as an easy process, it is not. Especially when you go through motion capture for each of the band members (as GH does for their series).

Beyond that, there's the NEW GAMES they put out each year. With NEW FEATURES, such as music creator, instrument customization, character customization, GH: Tunes, and the DRUMS AND MICROPHONE SUPPORT in GHWT. That's no small jump from where they were in GH3 (which had none of those). GH5 seems less groundbreaking from the GH standpoint, but it still has new features.

Beyond that, it still has all the work HMX does (new custom charts) as well.

Calling it "lazy" is just being silly, ignorant, and/or fanboyish.

[Rock_Starman]

Yah? How's the Queen and Hendrix songs in RB?

I'll be buying songs for both this week. Waited for Placebo for ever so long,not even close to any of the songs I wanted but 1 is better than none.

[Samuel346]

Yes, I have.

You write off character modelling as an easy process, it is not. Especially when you go through motion capture for each of the band members (as GH does for their series).

Beyond that, there's the NEW GAMES they put out each year. With NEW FEATURES, such as music creator, instrument customization, character customization, GH: Tunes, and the DRUMS AND MICROPHONE SUPPORT in GHWT. That's no small jump from where they were in GH3 (which had none of those). GH5 seems less groundbreaking from the GH standpoint, but it still has new features.

Beyond that, it still has all the work HMX does (new custom charts) as well.

Calling it "lazy" is just being silly, ignorant, and/or fanboyish.

Dude, no one is talking about the leap from 3 to WT. At all. This is after WT.

One new feature has been added since WT and they have had Aerosmith, Metallica and Van Halen. Three games, one feature. That's called laziness.


There are hardly any pro-activision comments at all, just letting you know. Everybody is angry.

Alright, doesn't really speak to the point though.


Yah? How's the Queen and Hendrix songs in RB?

I'll be buying songs for both this week.

That's called buying into the Activision business model.

My brother does the same thing.

"Why do you like Guitar hero over Rock Band"

His reply: "Rock band doesn't have Tool"

3 songs dude... 3 entire songs. not worth the price of the game. $160 / 3 does not equal $1.99 a song or anywhere close.

[KoopaTim]

The **** DLC on World tour is quite possibly one of the reasons why we're on the Rock Band forums, not the activision ones.

[coescastle]

Aren't you the guy that said that HMX will lose a lot of money because they didn't make a RB3 this year?

Guess it is cool that they didn't because we might not have had this awesome DLC otherwise.

Yes I am, and I always have praised Harmonix for their DLC. I have a ****load of it and am not stopping anytime soon. I love how their dlc is always usually excellent with a lot of variety and more great bands to come. I just though a brand new game like a RB 3 would compete more with GH5. Maybe I'm wrong, if I am I will gladly admit it later on. I have no problem admitting fault as I am a very humble and passive person. : Except when it comes to Nirvana. :D

[Mystlyfe77]

Dude, no one is talking about the leap from 3 to WT. At all. This is after WT.

One new feature has been added since WT and they have had Aerosmith, Metallica and Van Halen. Three games, one feature. That's called laziness.

We're talking about the general business model. Even pretending that WT is being ignored (then we also ignore Aerosmith, which predates GHWT), you have to look at GH5. GH5 is sporting new features, game modes, etc.

Beyond that, even ignoring game features, you're still ignoring character modelling, motion capture, and texturing (as well as the other animations that have to be done, and the artwork, and the marketing, and the storylines, etc etc etc). How much of that does HMX have to do for DLC?
None.

If GH is "lazy," then so is HMX. Plain and simple.

[Daemius]

We're talking about the general business model. Even pretending that WT is being ignored (then we also ignore Aerosmith, which predates GHWT), you have to look at GH5. GH5 is sporting new features, game modes, etc.

Beyond that, even ignoring game features, you're still ignoring character modelling, motion capture, and texturing (as well as the other animations that have to be done, and the artwork, and the marketing, and the storylines, etc etc etc). How much of that does HMX have to do for DLC?
None.

If GH is "lazy," then so is HMX. Plain and simple.

And HMX is not lazy therefore, Activision is also not lazy?

Modus Tollens FTW?

:p

[Samuel346]

We're talking about the general business model. Even pretending that WT is being ignored (then we also ignore Aerosmith, which predates GHWT), you have to look at GH5. GH5 is sporting new features, game modes, etc.

Beyond that, even ignoring game features, you're still ignoring character modelling, motion capture, and texturing (as well as the other animations that have to be done, and the artwork, and the marketing, and the storylines, etc etc etc). How much of that does HMX have to do for DLC?
None.

If GH is "lazy," then so is HMX. Plain and simple.


How many added features are going to be in the Beatles game?

Someone look, I'm having an Activision moment :p

[Mystlyfe77]

How many added features are going to be in the Beatles game?

Someone look, I'm having an Activision moment :p

Vocal harmonies. Revamped overdrive. That's all as far as I know (I haven't followed it as closely as others, so please correct me if there's more).

My point isn't that HMX is lazy (that's what you're implying). My point is that Activision isn't lazy. The two companies just package their products differently.

EA/Harmonix/TT Games have three 2009 Rock Band franchise releases (one of which only has 45 songs), and a metric buttload of DLC. Activision has six 2009 GH franchise releases, DJ Hero, and some DLC.

If you're really proposing releasing six games inside of a year is lazy, you're insane.

[Samuel346]

If you're really proposing releasing six games inside of a year is lazy, you're insane.

If they're all the same engine[therefore the same basic name except we plugged in different songs] then yeah, I'm suggesting it's a lazy approach.

[jedi-gunslinger]

Seriously, they don't suck, they're just starting (very slow start). Plus, they give alot of free songs that aren't crap.

[Samuel346]

Plus, they give alot of free songs that aren't crap.

That's part of their business model.

Release 3 - 5 songs that are amazing on a disc, and release some decent free DLC once a quarter and people will get suckered in.

[jedi-gunslinger]

If they're all the same engine[therefore the same basic name except we plugged in different songs] then yeah, I'm suggesting it's a lazy approach.

He's right, they are kinda lazy. If you look at their DLC for the last 2 weeks, they only released 1 free song per week cause they claim E3 slowed them down.

[jedi-gunslinger]

That's part of their business model.

Release 3 - 5 songs that are amazing on a disc, and release some decent free DLC once a quarter and people will get suckered in.

They have alot more than 3 - 5 songs that are amazing and their business model is more like selling spinoffs than DLC.

[Der_Lex]

He's right, they are kinda lazy. If you look at their DLC for the last 2 weeks, they only released 1 free song per week cause they claim E3 slowed them down.

Really? That's the excuse of the company that was bragging about how they had so many more employees working on their games than HMX has? Amusing.

[Metakirbyfan]

I agree too.

GHWT has barely any DLC. Plus the wi-fi is filled with noobs who quit on the hard songs.


I prefer RB2 a lot more. :D

[kiggidykev]

I'd like to think that the people out there who really enjoy European artists must be thrilled.

[Samuel346]

I'd like to think that the people out there who really enjoy European artists must be thrilled.

Most aren't.


The best way to show how they see them is like this:

Pretend the music for the European packs is the equivalent of HMX bands being released. Unknown artists no one cares about.

[Der_Lex]

Most aren't.


The best way to show how they see them is like this:

Pretend the music for the European packs is the equivalent of HMX bands being released. Unknown artists no one cares about.

You're pretty much right on the money with that comment. Most of the bands in those packs are only well-known in the countries where they're from. And even then... I can only speak for the Dutch songs, but they've managed to pick some of the worst possible artists my country has to offer... and for the only halfway decent Dutch band in the game, Within Temptation, they pick the worst song they've ever recorded. Although I usually applaud giving lesser known bands a shot in music games, I do die a little inside when that generic, talentless *insert expletive here) Anouk makes it into a game as a representation of the music of my country before artists like Golden Earring, Focus, Ayreon or Epica do.

Okay, I'll get off my nationalistic soapbox now... but the Dutch song selection in GH:WT has irked me for quite a while.

[afterstasis]

i can't speak for anyone else, but as someone who loves a very wide variety of non-american music (europe, asia, etc.) it's been abysmal in my book.

[hmxhenry]

Pretend the music for the European packs is the equivalent of HMX bands being released. Unknown artists no one cares about.

"I care." /Luke Skywalker

Seriously though, it should go without saying that just because you don't care, that doesn't mean that no one cares (or will come to care). We still get tons to requests for more Freezepop and Bang Camaro, and Conventional Lover and Jagged Gorgeous Winter were two of the most popular songs at our E3 after parties.

I'm just sayin', I'm not crazy about blanket statements. I don't think anyone could agree with such an all encompassing claim, least of all someone like a moderator.


You're pretty much right on the money with that comment.

Wait a minute...

[Blackjack041277]

... and for the only halfway decent Dutch band in the game, Within Temptation, they pick the worst song they've ever recorded.I still wonder if that was supposed to be some kind of cruel joke on people who actually wanted more European music, heard there was going to be some Within Temptation, and then died a little inside when it was What Have You Done. Of all the possible songs of theirs.

[Der_Lex]

"I care." /Luke Skywalker

Seriously though, it should go without saying that just because you don't care, that doesn't mean that no one cares (or will come to care). We still get tons to requests for more Freezepop and Bang Camaro, and Conventional Lover and Jagged Gorgeous Winter were two of the most popular songs at our E3 after parties.

I'm just sayin', I'm not crazy about blanket statements. I don't think anyone could agree with such an all encompassing claim, least of all someone like a moderator.

Wait a minute...

Burn. :D
That'll teach me to read better before I post. I somehow completely missed the reference to the HMX bands and only read the 'unknown artists no-one cares about' bit, with which I would have to be in agreement, and hopefully my rant about the Dutch song selections explains why. It seems to be a label over quality 'as long as it's European, it's fine' approach, and that's something I don't really agree with (which is why I never agree with 'we need more European music in RB' threads either... we need more good music in RB, I couldn't care less where it's from), and that's why I feel the European track packs are missing their mark.

And to avoid further blanket statements: although I'm not equally fond of all HMX bands, I'm one of the people who'd be very happy to see some more Freezepop (well, at least they have one more song coming up already), Bang CAmaro, Anarchy Club or That Handsome Devil in the game. Or one of your own polka tracks, Henry. :D

[Mex]

Burn. :D
That'll teach me to read better before I post. I somehow completely missed the reference to the HMX bands and only read the 'unknown artists no-one cares about' bit, with which I would have to be in agreement, and hopefully my rant about the Dutch song selections explains why. It seems to be a label over quality 'as long as it's European, it's fine' approach, and that's something I don't really agree with (which is why I never agree with 'we need more European music in RB' threads either... we need more good music in RB, I couldn't care less where it's from), and that's why I feel the European track packs are missing their mark.

And to avoid further blanket statements: although I'm not equally fond of all HMX bands, I'm one of the people who'd be very happy to see some more Freezepop (well, at least they have one more song coming up already), Bang CAmaro, Anarchy Club or That Handsome Devil in the game. Or one of your own polka tracks, Henry. :D

Anarchy Club pls.

[Starfleet_Rambo]

It's obvious the 2000 people hired to make note charts are for the deluge of GH disc games and not for GH:WT DLC.

Hank in Maintenance is handling GH:WT DLC.

[ThunderCurls]

The rest of June DLC will be announced via IGN tomorrow.

[Mystlyfe77]

If they're all the same engine[therefore the same basic name except we plugged in different songs] then yeah, I'm suggesting it's a lazy approach.

/facepalm

How many new engines does HMX have to come up with to create DLC again?

But beyond that, I'm operating under the assumption that there are serious engine modifications going underway for DJ Hero.

And once again, THE ENGINE IS NOT THE ONLY PART OF THE GAME THAT REQUIRES WORK.
Stop blatantly ignoring the animation, rendering, creative, and promotional efforts that go into creating a new game. If you think don't require work, you're wrong.

[toymachineSH]

Hey why you gotta be hating on Anouk :P
I love that song :(

[Der_Lex]

Hey why you gotta be hating on Anouk :P
I love that song :(

I know opinions are purely subjective, but dude... there are standards. I mean, Anouk makes Oasis look like a talented, original band. She's THAT bad. :D

[Renrock]

I know opinions are purely subjective, but dude... there are standards. I mean, Anouk makes Oasis look like a talented, original band. She's THAT bad. :D

They must be really bad for Lex to make Oasis look that good. :p

[Tono_Fyr]

You're pretty much right on the money with that comment. Most of the bands in those packs are only well-known in the countries where they're from. And even then... I can only speak for the Dutch songs, but they've managed to pick some of the worst possible artists my country has to offer... and for the only halfway decent Dutch band in the game, Within Temptation, they pick the worst song they've ever recorded. Although I usually applaud giving lesser known bands a shot in music games, I do die a little inside when that generic, talentless *insert expletive here) Anouk makes it into a game as a representation of the music of my country before artists like Golden Earring, Focus, Ayreon or Epica do.

Okay, I'll get off my nationalistic soapbox now... but the Dutch song selection in GH:WT has irked me for quite a while.

Ayreon, you say?

Can I get a call for Star One and (to a much lesser extent) Stream of Passion?

I'm an Arjen Lucassen fanboy.

And yeah, i got GH:WT back when it first came for the Wii, cause I thought it'd have some cool DLC, which Rock Band 2 (at the time) wasn't offering to Wii consumers. And then it didn't, but Rock Band did. And here I sit, waiting for my delayed Iron Maiden (which is the best DLC choice since maybe Moving Pictures. Holy ****, I didn't realize that MP and Peace Sells were back to back...).

[Samuel346]

"I care." /Luke Skywalker

Seriously though, it should go without saying that just because you don't care, that doesn't mean that no one cares (or will come to care). We still get tons to requests for more Freezepop and Bang Camaro, and Conventional Lover and Jagged Gorgeous Winter were two of the most popular songs at our E3 after parties.

I'm just sayin', I'm not crazy about blanket statements. I don't think anyone could agree with such an all encompassing claim, least of all someone like a moderator.



Wait a minute...

If Harmonix did nothing but release HMX bands, it would be the same complaint.

I was merely showing the correlation between what the Euro packs have been and versus how they could be perceived.



Neversoft is releasing all the Euro packs to cater to them since Harmonix has not really catered to Europeans.

[FlyGuyLXI]

If Harmonix did nothing but release HMX bands, it would be the same complaint.

I was merely showing the correlation between what the Euro packs have been and versus how they could be perceived.



Neversoft is releasing all the Euro packs to cater to them since Harmonix has not really catered to Europeans.

If "Iron Maiden" isn't catering to Europeans, I don't know what is. ;)

Do you even think the Euros even know these bands as well? I heard from a few UK people stating they never even heard of these bands. I think this is their excuse of cheap licensing.

If they throw in somthing unknown like once every two months, I'm very cool with that. I mean, I wasn't bothered by Hautewerk (even if I didn't care for them), because:

1. Unknowns are not constant with HMX
2. It was partnered up with something that wasn't unknown.

If Neversoft would release a 3-pack of a good band(s) alongside European track packs again, I probably wouldn't have a problem with it either, but, wow. The way it's going, HMX is looking like the bigger corporation. :D

Just happy I switched sides, that's all.

[Der_Lex]

Ayreon, you say?

Can I get a call for Star One and (to a much lesser extent) Stream of Passion?

I'm an Arjen Lucassen fanboy.


Same here. Really nice guy too, talked to him in person a few times ( a friend of mine used to be his webmaster). Most of those conversations have been limited to 'could you please get out of my way', though. For some reason he often ends up standing in front of me at prog concerts, and he's freakishly tall. :D

Don't discount Stream of Passion too quickly, though. Their new album is really good, and although it's a shame Arjen and Lori didn't stick around, their new guitarists are fantastic and I dare say the sound of the band has only improved. Great new drummer too. Saw them live last Friday and was very impressed.

[Alright_Computer]

I know opinions are purely subjective, but dude... there are standards. I mean, Anouk makes Oasis look like a talented, original band. She's THAT bad. :D

Wow, she must really be bad then. I should be happy I haven't heard any of her music. I mean, if she makes Oasis look talented and original, then she must be the Dutch equivalent of Lady Gaga.


Ayreon, you say?

Can I get a call for Star One and (to a much lesser extent) Stream of Passion?

I wouldn't call myself a fanboy, but I agree that Star One is incredibly awesome. Space Metal FTW!

[Samuel346]

If "Iron Maiden" isn't catering to Europeans, I don't know what is. ;)

Talking about the release issues with Rock Band.

[FlyGuyLXI]

Talking about the release issues with Rock Band.

Oh, it was never released in Europe yet? Wow.

[Samuel346]

Oh, it was never released in Europe yet? Wow.

Rock band 1

US November 20, 2007
CA December 22, 2007
EU September 22, 2008
AUS November 7, 2008
Xbox 360
US November 20, 2007
CA December 22, 2007
EU May 23, 2008
AUS November 7, 2008
PlayStation 2
US December 18, 2007
CA January 2, 2008
EU September 22, 2008
AUS November 7, 2008
Wii
NA June 22, 2008
EU September 22, 2008
AUS November 7, 2008




Rock Band 2

NA September 14, 2008
EU November 21, 2008
PlayStation 3
NA October 19, 2008
EU March 27, 2009
PlayStation 2
NA December 18, 2008
EU March 27, 2009
Wii
NA December 18, 2008
EU June 26, 2009



Notice the delay?

[toymachineSH]

then she must be the Dutch equivalent of Lady Gaga.

No effin' way. She is way more talented than Lady Gaga

[Der_Lex]

No effin' way. She is way more talented than Lady Gaga

That's like saying having a railroad spike shoved forcefully into your ear is much less painful than having it shoved into your eye. It's still two very unpleasant experiences that one wouldn't wish upon others. :D