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beatlehead007
06-12-2009, 02:27 AM
I really really hope 7 player capability will be offered in Beatles Rock Band. Is this possible on any of the consoles?

Having three people sing harmonies while playing simultaneously their instruments is the only way to properly imitate the best band of all time!

At the very least, this option needs to be offered through system link.

Somebody please tell me this is going to happen!!!

quinaking
06-12-2009, 02:30 AM
You mean 3 player co-op on 3 different consoles?

Scapegoat
06-12-2009, 02:30 AM
There can be up too six players at a time, 1 guitar, 1 bass, 1 drums, 3 vocalists.

scorpionspupil
06-12-2009, 02:32 AM
well we have 6 player confirmed (guitar/bass/Drums/3-part-harmony), all they'd need to do is add in a Rythm guitar track, wich most Beatles songs should have since they John/Paul/George all sang and played

quinaking
06-12-2009, 02:34 AM
There can be up too six players at a time, 1 guitar, 1 bass, 1 drums, 3 vocalists.
Or eleven players at once, just have 5 different people hit different parts of the drum kit. Better yet, have separate people hit different colors on the guitar and bass controllers.

solidsnakejt
06-12-2009, 02:42 AM
Or eleven players at once, just have 5 different people hit different parts of the drum kit. Better yet, have separate people hit different colors on the guitar and bass controllers.

la-meuh

whypick1
06-12-2009, 02:46 AM
Or eleven players at once, just have 5 different people hit different parts of the drum kit. Better yet, have separate people hit different colors on the guitar and bass controllers.

How can you have a full band of 11 people when you need 12 just for the guitar (5 regular frets, 5 solo frets, up strum, down strum). Plus you missed the 3 people on cymbal duty.

quinaking
06-12-2009, 02:47 AM
20 Players easily with that. I was talking about just with the needless drum players. Cymbals would raise it to 23. Actually, 33 since we could use the solo buttons also.

TkDiamonD
06-12-2009, 02:50 AM
where do you get 7 from? 3 singing + 1 drummer + 1 bass + 1 guitar = 6

unless you're throwing in rhythm somewhere...

whypick1
06-12-2009, 02:54 AM
Ok, I think we need a list now:

Vocals - 3 people

Guitar - 12
5 for regular frets
5 for solo frets
1 for upstrum
1 for downstrum

Bass - 7/9
5 for frets
1 for upstrum
1 for downstrum or other upstrum if using P-Bass
(Optional) 2 for downstrum if using P-bass

Drums - 8
4 for toms
3 for cymbals
1 for bass

Rhythm Guitar (totally speculative) - 7/12, depending on whether or not there are any solo tradeoffs

Total - 30 to 44 people, depending on the options

bootz0rs
06-12-2009, 02:57 AM
You could assign one person to each note for vocals.

packerfan8675309
06-12-2009, 02:59 AM
you guys are passing up on some people. Have Blockhead Dual Mic Adapters so you could have six people on vocals at least. With modding you could have even more.

whypick1
06-12-2009, 03:00 AM
Now you're just being silly...

skyttskytt
06-12-2009, 03:09 AM
Is this possible on any of the consoles?

I'll answer this part without making the thread any crazier. PS3 can have up to 7 controllers registered at any given time, though you'd only need 6 as others pointed out (or 40 something).

quinaking
06-12-2009, 03:12 AM
Ok, I think we need a list now:

Vocals - 3 people

Guitar - 12
5 for regular frets
5 for solo frets
1 for upstrum
1 for downstrum

Bass - 7/9
5 for frets
1 for upstrum
1 for downstrum or other upstrum if using P-Bass
(Optional) 2 for downstrum if using P-bass

Drums - 8
4 for toms
3 for cymbals
1 for bass

Rhythm Guitar (totally speculative) - 7/12, depending on whether or not there are any solo tradeoffs

Total - 30 to 44 people, depending on the options

I can't believe I made someone go that into detail with it. Good job none the less.
EDIT: Anyone want to get 44 friends and try this?

DerTommissar
06-12-2009, 03:17 AM
I can't believe I made someone go that into detail with it. Good job none the less.
EDIT: Anyone want to get 44 friends and try this?

Wouldn't that be Bang Camaro?

quinaking
06-12-2009, 03:26 AM
Wouldn't that be Bang Camaro?
I should send this to HMX and get them to get Bang Camaro to try and play Rock Rebellion with this idea.

Dr.Strangelove
06-12-2009, 03:44 AM
And the winner for the Pepsi Rock Band Video Challenge is...


Ok, I think we need a list now:

Vocals - 3 people

Guitar - 12
5 for regular frets
5 for solo frets
1 for upstrum
1 for downstrum

Bass - 7/9
5 for frets
1 for upstrum
1 for downstrum or other upstrum if using P-Bass
(Optional) 2 for downstrum if using P-bass

Drums - 8
4 for toms
3 for cymbals
1 for bass

Rhythm Guitar (totally speculative) - 7/12, depending on whether or not there are any solo tradeoffs

Total - 30 to 44 people, depending on the options

You'll wind up with more members onstage than The Polyphonic Spree (http://www.courtneyperry.com/pblog/images/PolyphonicSpree.jpg)

LoopyChew
06-12-2009, 04:57 AM
If you want all seven people playing at once, have one person work the foot pedal.

Metallik
06-12-2009, 05:32 AM
THREAD
OF
THE
YEAR

i seriously laughed at all of this.

yaniv297
06-12-2009, 06:02 AM
This thread is genious!

kralle
06-12-2009, 06:09 AM
You forgot the one friend in the background who is always singing for no reason. And another who "accidentally" pauses the game in key parts of the song. And one more to sit on the couch because he wasn't really invited but followed someone else in (like a mosquito).

And like 5 more who just trip over the mic cord during the song.

quinaking
06-12-2009, 06:44 AM
You forgot the one friend in the background who is always singing for no reason. And another who "accidentally" pauses the game in key parts of the song. And one more to sit on the couch because he wasn't really invited but followed someone else in (like a mosquito).

And like 5 more who just trip over the mic cord during the song.

Make that 5 people per mic and you've got a deal.

harveyglobetrot
06-12-2009, 06:51 AM
This is one of the great thread derailings of all time.

I hope it lives on in RB Forums lore through epic poetry and verse.

kralle
06-12-2009, 06:56 AM
Make that 5 people per mic and you've got a deal.

I like the way you multiply.

exnihilio13
06-12-2009, 07:10 AM
Ok, I think we need a list now:

Vocals - 3 people

Guitar - 12
5 for regular frets
5 for solo frets
1 for upstrum
1 for downstrum

Bass - 7/9
5 for frets
1 for upstrum
1 for downstrum or other upstrum if using P-Bass
(Optional) 2 for downstrum if using P-bass

Drums - 8
4 for toms
3 for cymbals
1 for bass

Rhythm Guitar (totally speculative) - 7/12, depending on whether or not there are any solo tradeoffs

Total - 30 to 44 people, depending on the options

Lest we forget roadies, groupies and of course..the big fat road manager!

ex

Neonstar
06-12-2009, 07:29 AM
You may also need a technician in case anyone yanks a controller out. It's going to be hard to get to the console with that many people around. :)

Sportzter
06-12-2009, 08:09 AM
But what if each person has 7 backpacks...and each backpack has 7 large cats...and there are 7 small cats for every large cat...How many vocalists will we have?

Neonstar
06-12-2009, 08:20 AM
But what if each person has 7 backpacks...and each backpack has 7 large cats...and there are 7 small cats for every large cat...How many vocalists will we have?

Have any of the cats learnt to sing yet?

Sportzter
06-12-2009, 08:28 AM
They might be able to do the meow mix song...

quinaking
06-12-2009, 06:00 PM
But what if each person has 7 backpacks...and each backpack has 7 large cats...and there are 7 small cats for every large cat...How many vocalists will we have?

You sir, have achieved mind ****.

Lawl01
06-12-2009, 06:08 PM
This thread automatically wins.

quinaking
06-12-2009, 06:22 PM
Add 6 more per guitar to **** around with the little prong things on the head.

CJHobbes
06-12-2009, 06:42 PM
What if HMX added "Banana Phone" to the DLC? Then you'd have substitutes to take over for the 24/7 shift.

(yes the banana patch Tag triggered that thought)

Julio_Strikes_Back
06-12-2009, 06:50 PM
If one plus wavelength equals pi, how man sea bears does it take to fill a teacup? </jimmorrison>

quinaking
06-12-2009, 06:56 PM
What if HMX added "Banana Phone" to the DLC? Then you'd have substitutes to take over for the 24/7 shift.

(yes the banana patch Tag triggered that thought)
The gold Star cut off is eleventy infinity.

Meyernltn
06-12-2009, 07:05 PM
you could add 10 more people by having 2 people hold each of the 5 microphones, so that the singers have less work to do and can focus on the song. or singing their one note.

quinaking
06-12-2009, 07:08 PM
you could add 10 more people by having 2 people hold each of the 5 microphones, so that the singers have less work to do and can focus on the song. or singing their one note.

That's just silly. We need one guy to constantly have sex with the box and that would throw him off.

piggythepug91
06-12-2009, 07:10 PM
What about the Cowbell? How could you overlook that!! It needs its own leaderboard.

quinaking
06-12-2009, 07:12 PM
People hitting the singers on the head with a cowbell. That way we can save all of the drum sticks for the 4 tom players.

kralle
06-12-2009, 07:59 PM
People hitting the singers on the head with a cowbell. That way we can save all of the drum sticks for the 4 tom players.

Plus we'll need all the lumber we can get for the 8 extra guys it'll take to build the extension on your gaming room to fit all these people.

Can someone please do a head count on how many we'll need? I'll need to start hiring soon.

Also, one more guy who can stay here to stroke Riles' ego while the rest of the forum members are all collaborating to beat Here Comes the Sun.

DerTommissar
06-12-2009, 08:43 PM
Make that 5 people per mic and you've got a deal.

You know, we're rapidly leaving Bang Camaro and hurtling towards Slipknot.

kralle
06-12-2009, 09:21 PM
You know, we're rapidly leaving Bang Camaro and hurtling towards Slipknot.

But Bang Camaro has more members than Slipknot...

woodwindpizza
06-12-2009, 09:44 PM
If we get double bass we can assign one person to each pedal.

overdriveguitarman
06-12-2009, 10:04 PM
Why does nobody think of the cowbell?

We need at least 24 1/2 people to handle that *female dog*.

Actually, needs moar cowbell, make that 25

woodwindpizza
06-12-2009, 10:10 PM
Harmonix must develop an entirely new console to handle this 100-player rock orchestra.

DerTommissar
06-12-2009, 10:16 PM
But Bang Camaro has more members than Slipknot...

Yeah, but at least BC has an excuse...err....reason. Slipknot? Not so much.

Oh, and Slipknot sucks. I'm required by statute to mention that.

kralle
06-12-2009, 10:34 PM
Yeah, but at least BC has an excuse...err....reason. Slipknot? Not so much.

Oh, and Slipknot sucks. I'm required by statute to mention that.

This is the Rock Band parallel to a "how many ___ does it take to screw in a lightbulb?" And its awesome

Slipknot has its moments for me where they're great, and other when I think they're absolutely terrible. And Bang Camaro does not need a reason. They do what they want.

DerTommissar
06-12-2009, 10:57 PM
And Bang Camaro does not need a reason. They do what they want.

This made me lol because I imagined some point in the future where Bang Camaro trims down to like, 9 guys and everyone yells, "Sell outs!"

Then the passionate BC fans shoot back with, "It's not selling out if you're doing what you want."

kralle
06-12-2009, 11:07 PM
This made me lol because I imagined some point in the future where Bang Camaro trims down to like, 9 guys and everyone yells, "Sell outs!"

Then the passionate BC fans shoot back with, "It's not selling out if you're doing what you want."

In the future, Bang Camaro is simply a verb. If you are Bang Camaroing, you are using an excessive amount of people to do a simple task.

Bront20
06-12-2009, 11:45 PM
Ok, I think we need a list now:

Vocals - 3 people

Guitar - 12
5 for regular frets
5 for solo frets
1 for upstrum
1 for downstrum

Bass - 7/9
5 for frets
1 for upstrum
1 for downstrum or other upstrum if using P-Bass
(Optional) 2 for downstrum if using P-bass

Drums - 8
4 for toms
3 for cymbals
1 for bass

Rhythm Guitar (totally speculative) - 7/12, depending on whether or not there are any solo tradeoffs

Total - 30 to 44 people, depending on the options
You don't have anyone managing the stage kit...

osteofight
06-12-2009, 11:49 PM
Joking aside, I've played with a "bass monkey" who manages the pedal. Takes a load off the newbie drummers.

The Hungry Samurai
06-12-2009, 11:57 PM
Joking aside, I've played with a "bass monkey" who manages the pedal. Takes a load off the newbie drummers.

I'm ashamed to admit this is how I got one of my drum trainer achivements....I'm a better drummer now though.

You guys are all evil. Evil and Hillarious.

All joking aside since we've established that the harmonies are optional I dont see why Rock Band can't let players use headset mics to perform the vocals parts since you can use a headset mic in RB 1 and 2 to sing, theoretically a 3 vocals + Drums, Bass, Lead, and Rhythm Guitar could all be done with just 4 controller slots. All the instrument designers would have to do, is create a better Mic that runs of the headset jack (or put a USB port in the new guitar bass and drums for players interested in a more accurate experience.)

Ahh well, we can always hope for the future.

quinaking
06-13-2009, 03:20 AM
If we get double bass we can assign one person to each pedal.

Get 8 people per pedal.

quinaking
06-13-2009, 03:21 AM
I'm ashamed to admit this is how I got one of my drum trainer achivements....I'm a better drummer now though.

You guys are all evil. Evil and Hillarious.

All joking aside since we've established that the harmonies are optional I dont see why Rock Band can't let players use headset mics to perform the vocals parts since you can use a headset mic in RB 1 and 2 to sing, theoretically a 3 vocals + Drums, Bass, Lead, and Rhythm Guitar could all be done with just 4 controller slots. All the instrument designers would have to do, is create a better Mic that runs of the headset jack (or put a USB port in the new guitar bass and drums for players interested in a more accurate experience.)

Ahh well, we can always hope for the future.
360 headset are **** for singing and then we'd have to cut out all of the people tripping over the wiring.

stangace20
06-13-2009, 03:23 AM
they have to work in having at least one more lead guitarist

woodwindpizza
06-13-2009, 07:12 AM
Throw in a dozen backup singers wearing sombreros and I'll be a happy man. :)

quinaking
06-13-2009, 11:06 PM
Throw in a dozen backup singers wearing sombreros and I'll be a happy man. :)

Great idea, but then we need 2 more per singer for the harmonies.

kralle
06-13-2009, 11:28 PM
Great idea, but then we need 2 more per singer for the harmonies.

3 more sweatshop workers per sombrero

T-Hybrid
06-14-2009, 01:04 AM
Rock Band needs to support 7 people and allow them to ALL play guitar. Because that is what's cool. Just ask Activision.

RockBandRocker
06-14-2009, 02:30 AM
I think this thread is in the early running for thread of the year! :D:p

quinaking
06-14-2009, 02:46 AM
3 more sweatshop workers per sombrero

Give 5 harmonizers per worker.

kralle
06-14-2009, 08:24 AM
Give 5 harmonizers per worker.

2 people per harmonizer to translate into English

SlivedCupWinner
06-14-2009, 09:37 AM
Sorry I'm late to this thread...

We need two more per guitar, one for the whammy and one to hit the back button to activate overdirve.

Oh, and to prevent accidental pauses, we can have another who's sole job is to protect the start button...

ChodTheWacko
06-14-2009, 12:41 PM
Ok, I think we need a list now:

Vocals - 3 people

Guitar - 12
5 for regular frets
5 for solo frets
1 for upstrum
1 for downstrum

Bass - 7/9
5 for frets
1 for upstrum
1 for downstrum or other upstrum if using P-Bass
(Optional) 2 for downstrum if using P-bass

Drums - 8
4 for toms
3 for cymbals
1 for bass

Rhythm Guitar (totally speculative) - 7/12, depending on whether or not there are any solo tradeoffs

Total - 30 to 44 people, depending on the options

You also need 3 more people for cowbells.
Can't wait for 3 part cowbell harmony!

- Frank

kralle
06-14-2009, 12:52 PM
You also need 3 more people for cowbells.
Can't wait for 3 part cowbell harmony!

- Frank

3 people per cowbell to kill each cow

Finnulf
06-14-2009, 02:04 PM
Despite the great humour taken out of this, I essentially agree with the OP. Maybe not the seven player bit, but there should be an option to have a third guitarist (lead/bass/rythm) in lieu of the harmonized vocals.

One to four of the following five options:
a) 1-3 vocalists
b) lead guitar
c) bass guitar
d) rythm guitar
e) drums

This really should have been a no-brainer. It's also my primary disappointment with GHM. The 45 song on-disc set list would certainly make more sense if every song had up to three vocal tracks and all four instruments. Rather than squeezing four instruments into the bottom half of the screen (as GH5 seems to do), have them placed in corners, not unlike almost every 4-player split-screen co-op video game in existence.

You may now return to your 3^10+11 instrument references.

Rod_Stixx
06-14-2009, 02:21 PM
Somebody is going to have to be Yoko Ono, and sort of annoy three of the players off and on during the game.

This thread has oodles of greatness all around!

kralle
06-14-2009, 03:40 PM
4 more peoples to stand on a roof in Townsville and pretend to be the Beat-Alls

woodwindpizza
06-14-2009, 03:56 PM
3 animal specialists to control each cow on stage. Literally, real cows surrounding the band.

MyronJ906
06-14-2009, 08:29 PM
add in 2 people for each person participating. One to bring food and another to bring drinks. The food and drink servers also must be waited on. Infinite band fun!

kralle
06-14-2009, 08:35 PM
add in 2 people for each person participating. One to bring food and another to bring drinks. The food and drink servers also must be waited on. Infinite band fun!

I don't appreciate your paradox. It's making it alot more difficult to make an equation

Pruzerman5000
06-14-2009, 08:42 PM
what if the drumset has a double bass set-up. that's one more person

woodwindpizza
06-14-2009, 09:04 PM
what if the drumset has a double bass set-up. that's one more person

Double bass isn't enough. What a real band needs is triple bass (http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/5/6/9/257569.jpg). ;)

Pruzerman5000
06-14-2009, 09:10 PM
Double bass isn't enough. What a real band needs is triple bass (http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/5/6/9/257569.jpg). ;)

what if we set up two of those. Have on mirror the other.

quinaking
06-14-2009, 10:00 PM
Better Idea: Someone to fail to understand what the kick drum is so then the real kick drum players show them how. One per kick drummer.

GIYGAS
06-14-2009, 10:17 PM
Alright, this thread is officially BSI. Is anyone counting how big this band is? I'm guessing around 155.
By the way, we need to have 4,000+ screaming girls to fully recreate the Shea Stadium experience.

quinaking
06-14-2009, 10:19 PM
Are we still talking about The Beatles? I thought we switched to Bang Camaro.

sabr1y0
06-14-2009, 11:37 PM
I'm surprised everyone forgot about new band members for the Big Rock Endings since the original band members will probably be exhausted after playing the song

woodwindpizza
06-14-2009, 11:48 PM
Are we still talking about The Beatles? I thought we switched to Bang Camaro.

His post was purely about the size of this project, about the numbers of people.

quinaking
06-15-2009, 01:59 AM
I'm surprised everyone forgot about new band members for the Big Rock Endings since the original band members will probably be exhausted after playing the song

Add 5 more per tom to make an epic drum roll for massive points.

ImaMoFoThief
06-15-2009, 02:31 AM
if the game is this big, HMX needs to employ more ppl... i say there will be a need of 6 people for every 1 who works there now. This game may also be a PS3 exclusive as it would be on 3 Bluray disc's

quinaking
06-15-2009, 06:26 AM
I love the tags.

kralle
06-15-2009, 08:07 AM
Well, the truth is that we can either use these 10s of thousands of people, or we can just hire the Blue Man Group

quinaking
06-15-2009, 09:11 PM
Well, the truth is that we can either use these 10s of thousands of people, or we can just hire the Blue Man Group
Better idea: Get 3 make up artist per member and paint them blue.

kralle
06-15-2009, 09:33 PM
Better idea: Get 3 make up artist per member and paint them blue.

Once again, I like the way you multiply.

INEFFICIENCY FTW!

GIYGAS
06-16-2009, 12:11 AM
We need 4 gofers per makeup artist, because who knows how long and tiring it is to put some blue makeup on a bald dude's face?

AccaDacca
06-16-2009, 12:57 AM
Ok, I think we need a list now:

Vocals - 3 people

Guitar - 12
5 for regular frets
5 for solo frets
1 for upstrum
1 for downstrum

Bass - 7/9
5 for frets
1 for upstrum
1 for downstrum or other upstrum if using P-Bass
(Optional) 2 for downstrum if using P-bass

Drums - 8
4 for toms
3 for cymbals
1 for bass

Rhythm Guitar (totally speculative) - 7/12, depending on whether or not there are any solo tradeoffs

Total - 30 to 44 people, depending on the options

wrong. need 4 people for the bass drum. 1 each for heel/toe and double bass.

which 45 people wanna come to my house & have a rock band party? :-)

quinaking
06-16-2009, 02:06 AM
wrong. need 4 people for the bass drum. 1 each for heel/toe and double bass.

which 45 people wanna come to my house & have a rock band party? :-)

It's way past 250 now.

kralle
06-16-2009, 06:05 AM
It's way past 250k now.

Fixed

ProfessorC
06-16-2009, 09:03 AM
I don't appreciate your paradox. It's making it alot more difficult to make an equation

No the equation is easy if you use calculus.

lim x->infinity 2x

See easy, still infinity but an easy equation.

ProfessorC

quinaking
06-16-2009, 09:14 AM
**** it, let's just get 3 guys to do harmonies and play instruments.

kralle
06-16-2009, 10:29 AM
**** it, let's just get 3 guys to do harmonies and play instruments.

Do you really wanna hear your friends try to harmonize? lol. If they can barely keep pitch to the lead singer, how are they gonna do harmonies?

whypick1
06-16-2009, 10:49 AM
**** it, let's just get 3 guys to do harmonies and play instruments.

**** it, we'll do it live! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJjNVVwRCY)

iamtheddrman
06-16-2009, 11:08 AM
Why has nobody mentioned the 5 people we'll need for each guitar to play with the effects switches? That's 15 more people! :D

woodwindpizza
06-16-2009, 11:16 AM
Why has nobody mentioned the 5k people we'll need for each guitar to play with the effects switches? That's 15k more people! :D
Fixed.

quinaking
06-16-2009, 08:01 PM
We also need a guy to go get beer.

woodwindpizza
06-16-2009, 08:40 PM
We also need a guy to go get beer.


Beer for over 300,000 people needs to be flown into our rock stadium by parachute. ;)

quinaking
06-16-2009, 08:49 PM
We could go to a bar and hire a bunch of servers. Would also fix the economy.

kralle
06-16-2009, 10:11 PM
Fixed.

Where did I see that one before?

It's way past 250k now.


Fixed

*cough* xD

quinaking
06-17-2009, 12:12 AM
Rock Band bar is the new GM.

Sportzter
06-17-2009, 04:46 AM
This thread reminds me of my favorite RB thread with Fake Steven Tyler....Did Fake Steven Tyler get added in for vocals?

quinaking
06-17-2009, 05:54 AM
He stole the mics. We had to bring in a bunch of trucks with the new mics making it three delivery guys for the five trucks.

kralle
06-17-2009, 09:56 AM
He stole the mics. We had to bring in a bunch of trucks with the new mics making it three delivery guys for the five trucks.

Now Fake Steven Tyler is holding the truck drivers hostage. We have a situation.

iamtheddrman
06-17-2009, 02:57 PM
Now Fake Steven Tyler is holding the truck drivers hostage. We have a situation.
I think this calls for a well placed "YA-KA-KA-KA-KOW!"

DavidRS
06-17-2009, 08:16 PM
He stole the mics. We had to bring in a bunch of trucks with the new mics making it three delivery guys for the five trucks.

So who drove the other two trucks?

And there has to be five more trucks bringing in the appropriate number of mic stands.

JcFTW61
04-17-2010, 02:18 PM
Mega uber bump!!!!!

Young Bloodlust
04-17-2010, 02:21 PM
Ha! Necro-posting. Bad idea.

iamtheddrman
04-17-2010, 02:27 PM
Very bad idea. Ridiculously awesome thread though (and one that I had forgotten about).

JoyDivision
04-17-2010, 04:15 PM
OMG! This thread is a Paul is dead clue!

robbiecon
04-17-2010, 06:24 PM
OMG! This thread is a Paul is dead clue!

Ha, So true, so true