So much for the steelers being a major test...

[battle_axe_of_doom]

rofl 34-13, with brady throwing for 399 yards and 4 TD's. yeah the pats look really beatable to me especially against the #1 ranked defense in the nfl :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

i said it before the game steelers are overrated, and the tom tom club just proved me right

also in other news texans won, and the cowboys lost (in spirit only :()

[MattWhoMattGreen]

The only way the Pats lose a game this year is if they beat thereselves.

[Bakkster]

and the cowboys lost (in spirit only :()

Agreed. When you can only beat the Lions because of a missed FG, something tells me 12-1 isn't an accurate measure of the team...

[battle_axe_of_doom]

expecting clint eastwood to come in here and rant about his cowboys :D

hate the lions' kicker with a passion right now

[StratATTACK]

Now it's easy sailin' for the Pats I mean really Miami and the Jets are gonna be annihilated and the Giants won't be beaten too easily but they will still fall.

[Bakkster]

hate the lions' kicker with a passion right now

I missed the game, so I have no idea why Harrington missed the kick. He's usually automatic up to 40 yards or more. Something must have been wrong.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

nah it just curved or whatever too much to the right. it was a good kick up until the last few yards then it cut wide right

[Bakkster]

What was the distance?

[battle_axe_of_doom]

edit: it was 35 yards

[tombrady]

rofl 34-13, with brady throwing for 399 yards and 4 TD's. yeah the pats look really beatable to me especially against the #1 ranked defense in the nfl :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

i said it before the game steelers are overrated, and the tom tom club just proved me right

also in other news texans won, and the cowboys lost (in spirit only :()
Steelers are not overrated at all...no one really gave them a chance in this one.

The only reason NE was in close games the last few weeks is because they didn't play well...had little to do with Philly or Baltimore.

Did anyone REALLY think NE was going to have 3 bad weeks in a row, especially after the scrub safety guaranteed a victory?

It was pretty ****ing obvious what was going to happen. Steelers are a far better team than both Philly and Baltimore, but NE just played their best game today, and when they do that...no one can beat them.

Steelers D is NOT overrated because the best QB to ever play the game throws for 400 yards and 4 TD's...but trying to talk logically with battleaxe is like pulling teeth.

Pretty sure this was the least hyped up "test" for New England...didn't come close to Indy or Dallas.

You take Anthony Smith out of this game and put Troy in, this is a 1 score game...Pit kept it a lot closer than the score suggested...they ran all over NE and threw all over them until the game was out of hand. NE took advantage of a guy who was trying too hard to have a huge day to back up a stupid guarantee.

Steelers are inconsistent, not overrated...there is a big ****ing difference.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

lol you're obviously upset so i'll take that very lightly

it aint that difficult to get a #1 defense when you're playing against a struggling cincy, bills, broncos (who you lost to), jets (who you lost to), arizona (who you lost to), 49ers, and the browns.

oh and about troy palmaoloulou, if roosevelt colvin were in the game willie mcginnist (spelling??), willie parker, or westbrook wouldn't have run all over the patriots either. injuries happen, deal with it, and adjust

[Apples]

I dislike the Steelers so it was a good day for me.


If they don't roll Carson Palmer's knee, they're a footnote in recent playoff history and the giant media love-fest with Bettis and Rothlesburger never materializes.

[zoso15]

only way if pats. will loose if sum1 tackles brady and snaps his wrist
:D

o thatd b good haha

[tombrady]

I dislike the Steelers so it was a good day for me.


If they don't roll Carson Palmer's knee, they're a footnote in recent playoff history and the giant media love-fest with Bettis and Rothlesburger never materializes.
ROFL

Speculation ftw.

You're obviously a Cinci fan, so I understand your bias....but there is no media love fest with either of those guys when compared to Brady, Manning, and even your Ocho Cinco.

Not to mention your team is full of thugs just like the Ravens.

Seriously, is there a team that underachieves more than the Bengals? For all the **** they talk about how they are contenders, it's sure hilarious to see them get swept by the burgh every year (or fail to make the playoffs along with Pit in their occasional down years)...you can speculate all you want, but that's not what went down.

[tombrady]

lol you're obviously upset so i'll take that very lightly

it aint that difficult to get a #1 defense when you're playing against a struggling cincy, bills, broncos (who you lost to), jets (who you lost to), arizona (who you lost to), 49ers, and the browns.

oh and about troy palmaoloulou, if roosevelt colvin were in the game willie mcginnist (spelling??), willie parker, or westbrook wouldn't have run all over the patriots either. injuries happen, deal with it, and adjust

I wasn't blaming the loss on injuries...in fact I'm the guy who can't stand it when the media cries about the poor Colts and their injuries...I was simply saying, a safety giving up a 70 yard TD pass is a bit difference than a linebacker like Rosie Colvin.

FYI, Willie McGinnist doesn't play for the pats anymore bud...but oh well.

[Rock_Starman]

I loved they dropped 2 of the TDs on Smith. Don't think he'll be giving anymore interviews.

Anyone else notice the Pats didn't have the 21 on their helmets and only the 91? They had both last week. Did any other teams not have the 21 this week?

[tombrady]

Every team I saw other than the pats still had 21. /shrug

And yeah, I'm glad they beat smith for those TDs...he's an embarassment to the organization and to the fans...when Joey did **** like that he'd perform well...this guy could have at least played a decent game.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

I wasn't blaming the loss on injuries...in fact I'm the guy who can't stand it when the media cries about the poor Colts and their injuries...I was simply saying, a safety giving up a 70 yard TD pass is a bit difference than a linebacker like Rosie Colvin.

FYI, Willie McGinnist doesn't play for the pats anymore bud...but oh well.

i had a brain fart, i was obviously talking about running backs and i was referring to mcgahee who's name i just remembered when you reminded me that mcginnist is someone else.

so let me rephrase it then willis mcgahee***, willi parker, or westbrook etc etc

[Eastwood]

The talk of dallas not being a true 12 - 1 team because they barely beat the lions maeans that the pats are not really worthy of being undefeated because of the ravens and philly games. :rolleyes: You are what your record says you are. The pats are the best team in the NFL right now and the cowboys are second best. The cowboys only loss what to the pats. Hopefully we get another shot at them come feb.

Edit: if you think they are disheartened because of the results, you are mistaken. A win is a win (a cliche is a cliche) and to be able to drive down the field after so many mistakes and play a full 60 minutes of football (and set me up for another football cliche) while the other team only plays 58, then that lifted them up. It just marks another comeback by a remarkable team.

[Apples]

ROFL

Speculation ftw.

You're obviously a Cinci fan, so I understand your bias....but there is no media love fest with either of those guys when compared to Brady, Manning, and even your Ocho Cinco.

Not to mention your team is full of thugs just like the Ravens.

Seriously, is there a team that underachieves more than the Bengals? For all the **** they talk about how they are contenders, it's sure hilarious to see them get swept by the burgh every year (or fail to make the playoffs along with Pit in their occasional down years)...you can speculate all you want, but that's not what went down.


Not even a Cinci fan in the least... just a Steelers hater. I see them given the benefit of the doubt in the media all too often based on their "tradition" and "history." In the era of free-agency and salary cap, this reputation crap is nonsense and you're only as good as your current record. I just see them as consistently hyped to be greater than their record would indicate.

It's the same reason people hate on Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, etc in college ball. History and past success should not translate into the benefit of the doubt in the present.

[Sinch]

Big Ben = Hotness

[luminary pants]

Im glad im home for the weekend. I would not have wanted to be around my roomate for this game.

[tombrady]

Not even a Cinci fan in the least... just a Steelers hater. I see them given the benefit of the doubt in the media all too often based on their "tradition" and "history." In the era of free-agency and salary cap, this reputation crap is nonsense and you're only as good as your current record. I just see them as consistently hyped to be greater than their record would indicate.

It's the same reason people hate on Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, etc in college ball. History and past success should not translate into the benefit of the doubt in the present.

Fair enough...I would agree that teams like Dallas and Pit get too much respect because of their history...but such is the way of the NFL...isn't the Steeler's fault...hate the media if anything because Pit is widely regarded as one of the classiest organizations in the NFL.

[Eman311]

Agreed. When you can only beat the Lions because of a missed FG, something tells me 12-1 isn't an accurate measure of the team...

why not? they were able to pull together and win, even on a day the lions outplayed. that's the mark of a good team.

[Jealleo]

...because the best QB to ever play the game throws for 400 yards...

Wooo I wouldn't go that far yet.

[Stolen Virtue]

New England undefeated? Well, I'm starting to be a believer and over the next 2 weeks there should be little challenge unless the Jets have figured a way to conjure a miracle for retribution sake.

However, watch out for the NY Giants. If this team is fighting for a playoff spot or a 5 seed instead of a 6 seed and New England has it all sewn up, the Giants could win this one. Besides, despite the NYG inconsistent play they do have some talent.

If New England makes it through undefeated. Wow! Congratulations! But watch out. I think Indy can beat them in the playoffs.

Did someone say that Brady is the best QB... ever? While he is masterful and cool, still not the best ever. I don't even think he is the best QB playing today.

Better than Brady:
Joe Montana - better and more cool
Peyton Manning - all things being equal, Manning is better
who else?

[Eastwood]

why not? they were able to pull together and win, even on a day the lions outplayed. that's the mark of a good team.

Plus, the Patriots are guilty of such excellence in the two weeks prior.

The Pats are now officially chasing history. The have now tied the denver broncos 13 - 0 from the late 90's. If they go 14 - 0, they will have the best season streak since the schedule expansion.

interesting article http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7545988?MSNHPHMA

[Bakkster]

why not? they were able to pull together and win, even on a day the lions outplayed. that's the mark of a good team.

Since when is it a "mark of a good team" to trail a decent team the entire game and barely pull out a win in the last minute? I admit, it shows tenacity and resilience, but being tough and not feeling down does not a good team make.

As a Lions fan, I honestly expected the Cowboys to trounce the Lions. I expected TO to have more than 21 yards. I don't think those are unreasonable expectations. I don't think they should be patting themselves on the back for going 28-27 against the Lions.

They should be breathing a huge sigh of relief after how close they came to being the laughing stock of the NFC.

[Eastwood]

I expected TO to have more than 21 yards.

The fact that they won despite Owens not being in the game is a confidence booster. It isn't like this is last year's Lions team. As a Lions fan, you should know this. They started 6 - 2. The same Lions team that beat a playoff hopeful Vikings team, swept the Bears this year, And beat an NFC South champion Buccaneer team. Whether or not you Detroit fans want to admit it, you have a potent team... The coaches just need to have their players play a 60 minute game. Yesterday's loss is a coaching loss.

[Bakkster]

The fact that they won despite Owens not being in the game is a confidence booster. It isn't like this is last year's Lions team. As a Lions fan, you should know this. They started 6 - 2. The same Lions team that beat a playoff hopeful Vikings team, swept the Bears this year, And beat an NFC South champion Buccaneer team. Whether or not you Detroit fans want to admit it, you have a potent team... The coaches just need to have their players play a 60 minute game. Yesterday's loss is a coaching loss.

Totally agreed. I still wouldn't say that a 1-point win by the Cowboys is anything for them to brag about. They dodged a bullet.

[tombrady]

New England undefeated? Well, I'm starting to be a believer and over the next 2 weeks there should be little challenge unless the Jets have figured a way to conjure a miracle for retribution sake.

However, watch out for the NY Giants. If this team is fighting for a playoff spot or a 5 seed instead of a 6 seed and New England has it all sewn up, the Giants could win this one. Besides, despite the NYG inconsistent play they do have some talent.

If New England makes it through undefeated. Wow! Congratulations! But watch out. I think Indy can beat them in the playoffs.

Did someone say that Brady is the best QB... ever? While he is masterful and cool, still not the best ever. I don't even think he is the best QB playing today.

Better than Brady:
Joe Montana - better and more cool
Peyton Manning - all things being equal, Manning is better
who else?
I'll give you Montana (for now).

But Manning? **** no. This is the first year that Brady has had any supporting cast at wide receiver and he is going to shatter Manning's TD record.

If Brady wins his FOURTH superbowl this year and shatters every single season record (which he is on pace to do) there's no way you can argue that Manning is a better QB...and it's going to be very hard to argue that even Montana was a better QB at that point.

But any way you look at it, Brady > Manning. When Manning gets 2 more superbowl rings then we'll talk, but Brady is a winner...Manning is a great QB but also a little ***** who gets rattled easily...NO ONE is as cool under pressure as Mr. Brady.

[Eastwood]

Manning is a great QB but also a little ***** who gets rattled easily... NO ONE is as cool under pressure as Mr. Brady.

Hehehe... They named the movie Happy Feet after Manning (watch clips of Manning while his pocket collapses)

Romo is just as cool in the pocket as Brady.

[Hanrahan89]

Tom Brady is much better than Peyton Manning the only edge Manning has over Brady is in commercials. Brady never had any good WRs and still managed to win 3 super bowls. Now that he does have the WRs he is going to crush Manning's TD record.

[Eman311]

Totally agreed. I still wouldn't say that a 1-point win by the Cowboys is anything for them to brag about. They dodged a bullet.

yea but your "Maybe 12-1 isn't a good judge of how good they are" is way off.

[Eman311]

I'll give you Montana (for now).

But Manning? **** no. This is the first year that Brady has had any supporting cast at wide receiver and he is going to shatter Manning's TD record.

If Brady wins his FOURTH superbowl this year and shatters every single season record (which he is on pace to do) there's no way you can argue that Manning is a better QB...and it's going to be very hard to argue that even Montana was a better QB at that point.

But any way you look at it, Brady > Manning. When Manning gets 2 more superbowl rings then we'll talk, but Brady is a winner...Manning is a great QB but also a little ***** who gets rattled easily...NO ONE is as cool under pressure as Mr. Brady.
I agree. and the one time Manning was able to "rally" against his demons it was against a pats defense missing nearly its entire secondary.

Manning is a great QB, and he certainly will go down as one of the best, but to say he is definetly better than Brady...........

[Bakkster]

yea but your "Maybe 12-1 isn't a good judge of how good they are" is way off.

Possibly, so I'll take it back. They obviously had an off day. Why else would such an elite team have so much trouble with the good-but-not-great Lions?

[Eastwood]

Is it any different than the Pats squeaking by a Ravens team that got swept by the Bengals (the AFC's version of the Lions), swept by the Browns, and lost to the Bills?

This just boosts my arguement that you can't really say that anyone's schedule is easy. These are some of the top athletes in the world on each team in the NFL. If any team comes out with all cylinders firing and in the groove, anyone can come up and surprise you. Who you lose to only applies in the BCS (Big Crappy System). There are some teams with better athletes and some teams with better coaches, this is true, but sometimes some teams just wake up that morning with an extra skip in their step and a lucky bounce here or there.

[tombrady]

Is it any different than the Pats squeaking by a Ravens team that got swept by the Bengals (the AFC's version of the Lions), swept by the Browns, and lost to the Bills?

This just boosts my arguement that you can't really say that anyone's schedule is easy. These are some of the top athletes in the world on each team in the NFL. If any team comes out with all cylinders firing and in the groove, anyone can come up and surprise you. Who you lose to only applies in the BCS (Big Crappy System). There are some teams with better athletes and some teams with better coaches, this is true, but sometimes some teams just wake up that morning with an extra skip in their step and a lucky bounce here or there.
Very good point...I've never put much stock into strength of schedule...I hate to say the any given sunday cliche, but the reality is it's tough to be consistent in this league against ANY schedule...that's why only 1 team has done it.

[Wangsandsuch]

The Patriots only come close to losing against bad teams, the worse they are, the closer the game. Their true defeat will come at the hands of the Dolphins.

[A_Perfect_TOOL]

New England sports fans are the the new Yankees fans. And thats coming from a New Englander/Sox fan. Can't stand the Pats though. And don't waste time flaming me, I catch hell from all my friends here in Maine every weekend when I root against em. Even got burned by a cigarette once for talking smack. But whatever, all dynasties fall eventually so enjoy it while it lasts. For example, my favorite football team...

Go Cowboys!! (eh, 1 point, whatever, its better to be lucky than good)

[battle_axe_of_doom]

i'm a little late to the party so let me just say this

1.) i've always hated the red sox fans since they're much more vocal in fanhood than the yankee fans are. yankee fans are mostly posers who like the fancy logo

2.) to bring up the old argument me and clint had i gotta say this about the cowboys as the clear #2: THEY AREN'T. just because they have a better record atm doesn't mean they are a better team. as much as i hate em, the colts have proved in the past couple of weeks that despite being depleted by injuries they are still on a roll that can possibly end in the AFC championship game judging by who they play against in the playoffs (if they play the jags in the playoffs i think the jags would finally step up and beat them)

3.) its too early if romo is as cool as brady since romo's recent last minute heroics have been against ****ty teams lbh here. brady has done it in not one but TWO superbowls already.

4.) lol @ manning being better than brady. as someone else said, give brady his receivers and he'll show you what kind of a good qb he is. he leads his team 13-0 with good receivers, give him a weak WR core and he'll get you three superbowls

5.) while yes the late minute comebacks against ****ty teams have been "heroic" it doesn't necessarily mean they're a good team. the lions are a pretty worthless team on D and they were able to dominate the cowboys. yeah you can bring up the ravens and eagles, but those teams have had historically good defensive teams that have been on a slide and gave the pats all they ****ing got. the ravens were riding on emotions and pushed themselves to the limit and got beat in the end. the lions are just well the lions and they pushed around that cowboys "explosive" offense and nearly got the game won. the pats were almost always in those two games in which they nearly lost the cowboys looked done until the ****ing kicker missed a 35 yrd field goal

6.) **** the cowboys :cool::D:)

7.) texans are winning the superbowl

[Wangsandsuch]

Oh, the chocolate rain that is the Texans, QQ harder about how hard the Cowboys pwn.

[Eastwood]

Battle made good points about everything (except **** the cowboys and texans). The only thing I can really say to counter it is we will have to wait until next week. This is only Romo's second season, and we will need more time to see how he will truly turn out. So it will be an interesting coupla months here on the board... Just remember my theory. If the Pats go undefeated, the don't even make it to the Super Bowl. If they lose one during the season, the go to the Super Bowl to be beat in a rematch with my Boys.

[Eman311]

Just remember my theory. If the Pats go undefeated, the don't even make it to the Super Bowl. If they lose one during the season, the go to the Super Bowl to be beat in a rematch with my Boys.


this logic is flawed on so many levels.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

yeah if they go undefeated in the season with the two near loses and destroying the #1 defense in the nfl can ruin them in the post season. and if they do meet up with the cowboys in the superbowl lol logic tells you the "boys" aren't going to win it.

[Eastwood]

this logic is flawed on so many levels.

It is simple. They lose in the season, they lose the pressure of a perfect season and sit their starters. They put their energy towards a perfect seaspn, they don't have any left over for the playoffs. They have some older guys on that team

[beerman]

If they lose one during the season, the go to the Super Bowl to be beat in a rematch with my Pack.

Fixed. ;)

[Wangsandsuch]

You're going to be one sad cheesehead come super bowl time.

[Rock_Starman]

They've got a first round bye,that's enough time to rest. I can't imagine they'd play the full games either. It'll be 31-3 by the half against the Jets and 71-0 in the first quarter against the Dolphins. Don't need the starters after that.

[Wangsandsuch]

They've got a first round bye,that's enough time to rest. I can't imagine they'd play the full games either. It'll be 31-3 by the half against the Jets and 71-0 in the first quarter against the Dolphins. Don't need the starters after that.

The dolphins are going to be the first team to defeat the patriots, just watch.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

lol not even the dolphins think they can beat them man. unless you have inside info that jason taylor stole brady's signals again

THATS RIGHT FOLKS PPL FORGET THAT THE DOLPHINS STOLE BRADY'S SIGNALS LAST YEAR

why dont' you call the dolphins cheaters then hypocritical sacks of ****.............................................. ..............

[Eastwood]

Dec. 10th 2006 marks the last time the Pats lost a Reg. season game... and the last time the Dolphins won a regular season game.

hahaha

You have to admit it would be ironic for the Dolphins to beat them

[battle_axe_of_doom]

same irony coulda happened this sunday but it didn't happen.

not gonna happen this sunday either :cool:

[Eastwood]

You do realize that if they don't win the Super Bowl, it will be all for nothing, right? All that matters in the NFL is hardware. Same in HS football... You didn't go to North Shore, did you? :D

[battle_axe_of_doom]

yeah ik but since the texans are winning the superbowl i could care less

[Rock_Starman]

Don't think anyone can stop them in the playoffs either. I said before the best chance would be the Jags but it'd have to be in Jacksonville,wich it won't. Maybe if there's some unseasonable warmth should they play each other but I doubt that'll happen either.