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Stewie
06-17-2009, 12:45 PM
Slammin' Sammy's busted. He took roids.

" Sammy Sosa tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug in 2003, The New York Times reported Tuesday on its Web site, the latest in a string of baseball stars implicated in the sport's steroids scandal of the past decade.

The Times said Sosa is one of 104 players who tested positive in baseball's anonymous 2003 survey, which has been the subject of a protracted court fight. The paper did not identify the drug."

Full article
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4264062

voodoo618
06-17-2009, 12:46 PM
Who hasn't taken steroids?

It won't be a big deal if they just make them legal.

CCDaDon
06-17-2009, 12:56 PM
Who hasn't taken steroids?

It won't be a big deal if they just make them legal.

Ken Griffey Jr, Greg Maddux, Kenny Lofton.

lawrence1103
06-17-2009, 12:58 PM
Who hasn't taken steroids?


Ken Griffey Jr.

Soratar
06-17-2009, 12:58 PM
First the cork was discovered, and now this? Ain't good news for Sammy.

HeyRiles
06-17-2009, 01:00 PM
I hate this issue. Weren't all these players still within the rules at this time? When was the steroid ban issued, 2004? They weren't violating any rules when this happened, depending on when the ban was issued. This is why this whole idea is so stupid. If someone finds a loophole in a game and wins, then the rules get changed, you can't take away their win because it was legal to do that at the time

Stewie
06-17-2009, 01:01 PM
Ken Griffey Jr, Greg Maddux, Kenny Lofton.

Derek Jeter.

balashotcalla
06-17-2009, 01:02 PM
had griffey not been injured so often he would definitely kill the home run record. That's one thing people dont relate with steroids is that they can help with recovery time from injuries. He probably has one of the sweetest swings ever, too.

P.S. If Griffey ever tested positive I will have lost all hope for anyone who played in that era

Buffdog18
06-17-2009, 01:06 PM
The entire Milwaukee Brewers roster has never taken them!
*Looks at Braun*
Maybe?


Anyway wasn't obvious he was, just like Barry Bonds.

Elegy
06-17-2009, 01:10 PM
Ken Griffey Jr, Greg Maddux, Kenny Lofton.


Agreed.

If they can wreck Palmeiro's record, then they need to do the same to Bonds, McGuire, and Sosa. Which would of course make Griffey the single season home run king [He broke the record, didn't he?]

balashotcalla
06-17-2009, 01:22 PM
I hate this issue. Weren't all these players still within the rules at this time? When was the steroid ban issued, 2004? They weren't violating any rules when this happened, depending on when the ban was issued. This is why this whole idea is so stupid. If someone finds a loophole in a game and wins, then the rules get changed, you can't take away their win because it was legal to do that at the time

Steroids or any other illegal drug were banned in 1991. Testing didnt start until 2003, and during the time in between many baseball officials just looked the other way.

voodoo618
06-17-2009, 02:12 PM
Steroids or any other illegal drug were banned in 1991. Testing didnt start until 2003, and during the time in between many baseball officials just looked the other way.

Testing started in 2003, but the drugs them selves were banned in 2005.

One reason Mark McGwire should be in the Hall of Fame, but isn't.

tridentgum0
06-17-2009, 03:10 PM
Not surprising, but man does it suck seeing my childhood hereoes go up in flames. Glad Thome's remained clean, he WAS the Indians when I was a toddler.

HeyRiles
06-17-2009, 03:14 PM
Testing started in 2003, but the drugs them selves were banned in 2005.

One reason Mark McGwire should be in the Hall of Fame, but isn't.

Alright, I knew it was either 04 or 05. Despite what he was doing, McGwire was still performing within the rules, and though it isn't fair from a moral standpoint, he was still playing within the rules, so his bid to the hall shouldn't be rejected because of something that was legal when he first used it

CCDaDon
06-17-2009, 03:19 PM
Steroids were banned in the 90's. They started testing in 03. They put a penalty in place on 04 or 05.

I don't care. I really don't. But if they start not allowing players in the hall for roids they should do it for amphetamines too. Mike Schmit(sp?) used Amphetamines, if they keep Sosa out for roids take Michael Jack out of it. They're obviously not going to do it like that, but in a perfect world they would.

voodoo618
06-17-2009, 03:21 PM
Alright, I knew it was either 04 or 05. Despite what he was doing, McGwire was still performing within the rules, and though it isn't fair from a moral standpoint, he was still playing within the rules, so his bid to the hall shouldn't be rejected because of something that was legal when he first used it

Also, McGwire hit somewhere around 50 homeruns...in his rookie year. See how skinny he was then?

bermuddy
06-17-2009, 03:21 PM
Alright, I knew it was either 04 or 05. Despite what he was doing, McGwire was still performing within the rules, and though it isn't fair from a moral standpoint, he was still playing within the rules, so his bid to the hall shouldn't be rejected because of something that was legal when he first used it

mcgwire took androstenedione which was banned in t he NFL, no MLB. he played within the rules and is being punished for it by sanctimonius sports writers.

CJHobbes
06-17-2009, 03:35 PM
Agreed.

If they can wreck Palmeiro's record, then they need to do the same to Bonds, McGuire, and Sosa. Which would of course make Griffey the single season home run king [He broke the record, didn't he?]

Eliminating Bonds, McGwire and Sosa, Maris would still retain the single season home run record with 61. Griffey's highest in a season was 56, twice. Reference (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/HR_season.shtml)

Also Albert Pujols is another who hasn't tested positive. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

classicrockdude
06-17-2009, 03:39 PM
i saw this coming...

Stewie
06-17-2009, 03:43 PM
i saw this coming...

That's what she said!

ultimatespidey81
06-17-2009, 03:54 PM
I hate this issue. Weren't all these players still within the rules at this time? When was the steroid ban issued, 2004? They weren't violating any rules when this happened, depending on when the ban was issued. This is why this whole idea is so stupid. If someone finds a loophole in a game and wins, then the rules get changed, you can't take away their win because it was legal to do that at the time

lol yeah forget what the law of the land says lol because from what i know, steroids are illegal to possess unless prescribed from a doctor. and i doubt that the players that have been caught can bring forth evidence of said prescription. just makes common sense to me that if it is illegal in the nation, you probably shouldn't do it. but thats just me.

bermuddy
06-17-2009, 03:56 PM
the drug sosa tested positive for is unknown at this time.

Elegy
06-17-2009, 04:24 PM
Eliminating Bonds, McGwire and Sosa, Maris would still retain the single season home run record with 61. Griffey's highest in a season was 56, twice. Reference (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/HR_season.shtml)

Also Albert Pujols is another who hasn't tested positive. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.


Ahhh okay.

And yes, I seriously hope Pujols stays clean. he's a phenomenal player.

Thanks.

gosox333
06-17-2009, 04:30 PM
Ugh, the list of non-steroid players with 500+ home runs in the last five years is dwindling. I think the only ones left are Griffey, Thome, and Sheffield, and considering how many active players with 500+ homers we've had in the last five years, that's just sad.

CCDaDon
06-17-2009, 04:32 PM
Ugh, the list of non-steroid players with 500+ home runs in the last five years is dwindling. I think the only ones left are Griffey, Thome, and Sheffield, and considering how many active players with 500+ homers we've had in the last five years, that's just sad.

Sheff has been accused of it but yeah basically.

CJHobbes
06-17-2009, 06:28 PM
Ugh, the list of non-steroid players with 500+ home runs in the last five years is dwindling. I think the only ones left are Griffey, Thome, and Sheffield, and considering how many active players with 500+ homers we've had in the last five years, that's just sad.

Don't forget Frank Thomas!

But yeah, the list is only a few names long for those who aren't accused of anything. Delgado's a good name to have knocking on the door as well; he's only 27 off of 500, with Chipper being the next closest at 416.

I only wish Griffey could get back to swinging like he used to. He always had the sweetest, smoothest swing in the game. I was looking forward to him breaking (then) Aaron's record before he switched leagues and unknowingly killed his career.

Mega-Tallica
06-17-2009, 09:30 PM
It's not like we didn't know he took roids already, it's just that now it's official. He also corked his bat. For me, Sosa's stats should be erased. He cheated the game along with Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmero, Roger Clemens, and Barry Bonds. The steriod era ruined baseball for those years.

voodoo618
06-18-2009, 03:01 AM
It's not like we didn't know he took roids already, it's just that now it's official. He also corked his bat. For me, Sosa's stats should be erased. He cheated the game along with Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmero, Roger Clemens, and Barry Bonds. The steriod era ruined baseball for those years.

The homerun race with McGwire and Sosa?

That has to be one of the greatest periods of time in baseball.

tridentgum0
06-18-2009, 03:29 AM
Ugh, the list of non-steroid players with 500+ home runs in the last five years is dwindling. I think the only ones left are Griffey, Thome, and Sheffield, and considering how many active players with 500+ homers we've had in the last five years, that's just sad.

Frank Thomas.

Man, I need to keep my name out of my posts....

Mega-Tallica
06-18-2009, 02:47 PM
The homerun race with McGwire and Sosa?

That has to be one of the greatest periods of time in baseball.

It was at the time, but now that we know the truth it's really sickening that we looked at these guys as the two best homerun hitters of all time. If you watch baseball now, 73 homeruns is unthinkable, impossible to do without cheating. Those guys cheated the game, they should be punished.

gosox333
06-18-2009, 02:49 PM
I'm a horrible White Sox fan.....


I completely forgot about Frank Thomas. :(

DethTung
06-18-2009, 02:50 PM
Who hasn't taken steroids?

Derek Jeter hasn't.

tridentgum0
06-18-2009, 02:51 PM
I'm a horrible White Sox fan.....


I completely forgot about Frank Thomas. :(

Please keep my name out of your posts. Thank you.

bermuddy
06-18-2009, 02:52 PM
^5 trident.

voodoo618
06-18-2009, 02:53 PM
Derek Jeter hasn't.

It was a rhetorical question.

killer_roach
06-18-2009, 02:56 PM
I'm still wondering what the big deal was. If the top hitters and the top pitchers were all juicing, shouldn't the effect more or less cancel itself out (possibly more so, pitchers would probably benefit more from anabolic steroid use)? Only real end result is some players with shortened life expectancies, which probably helps the Player's Association meet pension costs...

Honestly, I really don't see the issue, other than that it gets all the purists worked up (as if they weren't figuring out ways of skirting the rules back then; guess what, they were).

Mega-Tallica
06-18-2009, 02:57 PM
Derek Jeter hasn't.
How do you know that? Look at some of these guys from from the late 90's. we thought they weren't cheating until their positive steroid tests show up after they retire. I wouldn't be surprised if Jeter has cheated some time during his career. The time when he was in his prime was the peek of the steroid era. Over 50% of MLB players took steroids during that time. There's a good chance that Jeter was one of them.