Jimmy Page and Jack White diss the music games... Again. [Archive]

SonicRocker15X

06-22-2009, 09:44 PM

The main game discussed here is Guitar Hero, but whatever.

Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page and The White Stripes' Jack White have hit out at the popular 'Guitar Hero' video game.

Speaking at a press conference in Los Angeles on Friday (June 19) for 'It Might Get Loud', the forthcoming documentary film that chronicles their musical careers, the two renowned guitarists said they don't believe video games are an ideal way for people to be exposed to music or learn to play instruments.

"It's depressing to have a label come and tell you that ['Guitar Hero'] is how kids are learning about music and experiencing music," White said. He added that although he doesn't try to dictate "which format people should get their music in…if you have to be in a video game to get in front of them, that's a little sad."

Page added that he can't imagine that people are really learning anything significant about playing instruments by playing video games.

"You think of the drum part that John Bonahm did on Led Zeppelin's first track on the first album, 'Good Times Bad Times'," he said. "How many drummers in the world can play that part, let alone on Christmas morning?"

Isn't it wonderful when the artists are so oblivious and stupid?

My thoughts/ranting:
WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND GIVES A DANG ABOUT WHERE THE PEOPLE HEARD THE MUSIC?
And also, they forgot to note that, although it teaches you little about the real instruments (possible exception being drumming), it inspires you to do the real thing.

And also, what the hell does Page's "Good Times Bad Times" comment have to do with any of this?

So, my ranting out of the way... Let the discussion begin.

And with this quote, Runesmith FTW.

I think they both have ridiculously stupid opinions, but they're entitled to 'em, I suppose.

Cubecubed

06-22-2009, 09:46 PM

Hey guess what I can play that drum part! and guess what pushed me to start drumming? That'd be Rock Band!!

Jimmy Page has always been a douche,so this doesn't surprise me

Alright_Computer

06-22-2009, 09:46 PM

Aren't the White Stripes in the next Guitar Hero?

tridentgum0

06-22-2009, 09:47 PM

Cmon now. While you may disagree, this is just Jim and Jack expressing their opinions. I'm not begging for either of these bands (White Stripes moreso though), but if they see it this way, who cares.

afterstasis

06-22-2009, 09:48 PM

video games may not the absolute most ideal format for most music, but it's certainly nowhere near as sad as losing control of your own music to the point that it's being delivered on the very format that you decry...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBphaQ_8PbI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHnRs0Zka7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxp8yILHaK4

SonicRocker15X

06-22-2009, 09:48 PM

Aren't the White Stripes in the next Guitar Hero?

Yes. They are. Adding even more confusion.

Lily_Mu

06-22-2009, 09:48 PM

Ugh, I listen to music through RB, and it's true I don't wanna be a real musician.

But who cares? Damn these people are stupid. Moar monies = happy face

Ferocious Q

06-22-2009, 09:49 PM

Aren't the White Stripes in the next Guitar Hero?

And Jack's band The Raconteurs have like 3 songs in GHWT, and 1 on GH5.

Runesmith

06-22-2009, 09:54 PM

I think they both have ridiculously stupid opinions, but they're entitled to 'em, I suppose.

AxlVanHagar

06-22-2009, 10:06 PM

Meh. I disagree with them but whatever, they have their opinion I have mine. Personally if I were still active as a recording artist I don't think I'd really give a **** if someone chose to discover and enjoy my stuff through a CD they bought or through a song in GH or RB, so long as people found it and enojoyed it.

afterstasis

06-22-2009, 10:10 PM

I don't think I'd really give a **** if someone chose to discover and enjoy my stuff through a CD they bought or through a song in GH or RB, so long as people found it and enojoyed it.

it's only real if they discover the master tapes buried in the artist's grave, maaan! :p

trueguitarist88

06-22-2009, 10:15 PM

Oscar-Rio

06-22-2009, 10:17 PM

haha Zeppelin will never be in music games.

GH3 is what introduced me to classic rock and metal. and GH is what also influenced me to buy a real guitar, and I love it. Page and White suck. They have no clue about what GH/RB does to people. They automatically think that just because it is a videogame, it is bad for you. Screw them

hahaha that was really stupid.

Runesmith

06-22-2009, 10:18 PM

GH3 is what introduced me to classic rock and metal. and GH is what also influenced me to buy a real guitar, and I love it. Page and White suck. They have no clue about what GH/RB does to people. They automatically think that just because it is a videogame, it is bad for you. Screw them

Yeah. The stigma that video games still have virtually 30 years after their emergence is ridiculous. It's about time this hatchet was buried.

polishdog90

06-22-2009, 10:30 PM

I sort of agree with page when it comes Rockband drums =/= real drums. Even if you could play a Bonham part on the RB drums, chances are you wouldn't sound as great on a real kit. I don't think that you should discredit rhythm games with sparking people's interests in learning real instruments though.

moose39

06-22-2009, 10:56 PM

haha Zeppelin will never be in music games.

I'm starting to think you're right.

After that fiasco, I'm considering erasing everything in my sig. Now the odds have increased to 777,777,777 to 1.

Zidane

06-22-2009, 11:51 PM

Wait, Jack White is a renowned guitarist?

moose39

06-23-2009, 12:10 AM

Wait, Jack White is a renowned guitarist?

Apparently, I only saw him as a one-hit wonder 90's Bob Dylan.

Zidane

06-23-2009, 12:32 AM

Apparently, I only saw him as a one-hit wonder 90's Bob Dylan.

Same here, his best song has to do with LEGOs, right?

moose39

06-23-2009, 12:34 AM

Same here, his best song has to do with LEGOs, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q27BfBkRHbs&feature=fvst

I guess so.

Daemius

06-23-2009, 12:36 AM

What? Famous people that have been gravely misinformed, or haven't been informed at all, are spouting their opinions again? No way! :rolleyes:

jrcronlakers

06-23-2009, 12:54 AM

Man I hope Jimmy Page likes Dr. Sues and has read the book Green Eggs and Ham.

DevinSeventy8

06-23-2009, 06:33 AM

I don't personally care about Jack White's music not being in these types of games (even though I'd love to play Zepellin), but the thing that upsets me most is that it's a slap in the face to people that DO play Rock Band/Guitar Hero. Am I supposed to buy drums and play songs on Christmas Day in order to listen to music :-/? Whether they're entitled to their opinions or not, it's sort of demeaning that they consider video gamers beneath their grandeur art.

I bought a guitar because of Guitar Hero 3 (Neversoft was my starting point). I'm practicing at it so that I may have some musical talent. I would've never considered it without this particular brand of music-genre that Harmonix founded with Guitar Hero. In short, I don't see why any musician wouldn't allow us to "play" their music in a video game. It IS inspiring.

LibertineStripes

06-23-2009, 08:42 AM

Jack is just old school when it comes to music. It's either vinyl or nothing for him, basically.

Ironically, their vinyl albums are often quite hard to find at a reasonable price.

Gowienczyk

06-23-2009, 08:45 AM

White just finds it depressing that this is the format people need to get into music, he's not denouncing it entirely or else he wouldn't be in guitar hero amirite?

xXjAmEZXx

06-23-2009, 08:52 AM

jack white has done a chad kroeger :O:O:O no its not sad, i read a metallica interview saying they liked gh and rb because it got their kids into deep purrrrrrpel. mmmmmm there are some bands i wouldnt've heard of that i love now if it wernt for these games and i rediscovered some bands that i liked and hadnt listened to in awhile.

esquehill

06-23-2009, 09:01 AM

Stephen Tyler & Dhani Harrison need to sit down and have lunch with
Plant & Page. Clearly, P & P are entitled to their opinions,
and they certainly have the right to control where & how their
music is marketed, but...
they should be wondering why Aerosmith, Beatles, etc,
ARE allowing their music to be available in rhythm games.:cool:
Could it be that their agents don't understand the financial
upside??

I expect their opinion is not going to change...:(

Tego1in

06-23-2009, 09:14 AM

Sittin on that ivory tower, making money off those t-shirts.
What is Jack White to say anything he's in GH5.

Dave Mustaine was right. Those dinosaur bands (Zep, not Stripes) need to get with the times.

T0MMY DE SIM0NE

06-23-2009, 09:34 AM

The main game discussed here is Guitar Hero, but whatever.

Isn't it wonderful when the artists are so oblivious and stupid?

My thoughts/ranting:
WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND GIVES A DANG ABOUT WHERE THE PEOPLE HEARD THE MUSIC?
And also, they forgot to note that, although it teaches you little about the real instruments (possible exception being drumming), it inspires you to do the real thing.

And also, what the hell does Page's "Good Times Bad Times" comment have to do with any of this?

So, my ranting out of the way... Let the discussion begin.

And with this quote, Runesmith FTW.

1. Who gives a crap!?
2. Jack White put "Icky Thump" in GH1 so what does that tell you?
*He also reissued it for GH: Smash Hits!!! Which came out, like a week ago.
3. Even guitar hero/ rock band fans know that they are not gonna immediately know that they good at real instruments (unless they knew before.)
4. Who gives a crap!?

killer_roach

06-23-2009, 09:36 AM

Dave Mustaine was right. Those dinosaur bands (Zep, not Stripes) need to get with the times.

About the only way I see it happening is if Zeppelin had absolute creative control, which I doubt anyone would be willing to give them.

To some extent, I can see their argument in that their music has stood on its own for as long as it has without any real need to try to cash in on it, so they don't want to do anything that they perceive as being just a quick cash-in... (that is, unless the money involved is lucrative, like when GM licensed one of their songs for Cadillac commercials)

afterstasis

06-23-2009, 09:48 AM

Jack White put "Icky Thump" in GH1 so what does that tell you?
*He also reissued it for GH: Smash Hits!!! Which came out, like a week ago.

what the hell?

the white stripes aren't in either game... hell, "icky thump" wasn't even recorded until about 2 years AFTER guitar hero was released.

Insane3

06-23-2009, 10:31 AM

They automatically think that just because it is a videogame, it is bad for you.

I think that this is exactly the problem. Video games are perceived by many people as an unnatural and evil way of having fun, something like drugs or violence. Look how people are afraid of WoW.

And it makes me laugh when parents or grand-parents tell that when they were young, there were no video games and they had to find other ways of having fun. Yeah well in the XIVth century there was no electricity at all, does that mean that everything that runs on electricity is bad?

lawrence1103

06-23-2009, 10:40 AM

Bub

06-23-2009, 11:18 AM

Aren't the White Stripes in the next Guitar Hero?

lol

afterstasis

06-23-2009, 12:00 PM

I think they are both old school. I'm a huge Led Zeppelin fan and would love to have them on RB but Jimmy really needs to get with the times. This isn't the 70's anymore, Jimmy use to be against releasing singles due to the fact that they wanted people to buy the album instead. His mentality really needs to change. I think once he sees the success that The Beatles Rock Band will have maybe he'll come around. At least i hope so

i don't have a problem with artists being opposed to releasing their music in the form of singles (or any other format they deem unfit), but to gripe about something you're taking total consensual part in via public platform is something to be mocked...

freakonate

06-23-2009, 12:02 PM

THIS

"I agree, the games are not good if you want to learn the guitar, but nobody plays the game expecting to learn an instrument. If I'm going to play guitar hero it's because I want to hear the song. And playing a game with a controller in your hand gives a lot more immersion and enjoyment than staring at visualizations on the computer. Musical videogames are no replacement for learning how to play music, but not everybody wants to learn how to play music."

Julio_Strikes_Back

06-23-2009, 12:05 PM

Oh please. Page just won't let Zeppelin in these games because he's not being paid enough.

FastSolo.

06-23-2009, 12:16 PM

Page added that he can't imagine that people are really learning anything significant about playing instruments by playing video games.

FAIL.
Ive learned all the songs I can play on real drums through a combination of RB/GH and watching people cover the songs on YT.

DarthAthema

06-23-2009, 12:32 PM

I think I sort of get what they're saying, but which is worse: Kids discovering music through a video game or kids not discovering that music at all?

I realize that the older crowd sees video games as child's play, but why is it less a valid medium than television or movies?

Ehfahq

06-23-2009, 12:34 PM

"He added that although he doesn't try to dictate "which format people should get their music in…if you have to be in a video game to get in front of them, that's a little sad.""

No, what is sad is that you cant find a decent radio station that plays good music. Or introduces you to anything new besides top-40 crap.

I saw a 10 year old with a Who shirt on the other day. I bet he plays Rock Band.

Ehfahq

06-23-2009, 12:37 PM

I had a shirt with the who when I was younger when guitar hero came out.I still knew them before that game.

And sometimes man bites dog.

Wolfbeckett

06-23-2009, 12:39 PM

They are obviously welcome to their opinions but we will all be having a great time in the new millennium when and if these dinosaurs choose to join us here.

Edit: Yes I called Jack White a dinosaur even though he is a modern musician. His way of thinking is old fashioned and that makes him a dinosaur regardless of his actual age.

Ehfahq

06-23-2009, 12:45 PM

Yeah,I know now hot topic has stuff with stickers on bands that say now in rock band.Which is ever band but emo bands.It's *** people think I found my love of metal from gh.No it I found guitar hero cause my love of metal and punk.

Why would it bother you if you found your love for metal through Guitar Hero.

The point is, you found your *love* for music. You are infact supporting Jack and Jimmy's viewpoint.

Its doesnt matter where you learned about a band, or a genre of music.

Elegy

06-23-2009, 12:46 PM

Well they don't want to be known for one song like dragonfail I can't blame them

It's not like that hasn't already happened.

Hasn't Jimmy Page ever heard of Led Zeppelin posers?

"Yeah man, Stairway to Heaven is the greatest ****ing song ever! It's so cool that you can get a satanic message and play it backwards!!!!"

Sure GH/RB only teaches you a handful of songs by an artist. It's still up to you to check them out further, which is what I did. I'm sorry that I'm in a musical format that doesn't even promote music. And I'm sorry that my school is filled with ******ed scene kids, and that my father never really listened to music.

So guess what? Guitar Hero 2 happened. And I looked into A LOT of bands because of it. Same with Rock Band, and now i have a pretty expansive taste of music.

I suppose what I'm trying to say, is that if a kid is only going to stop after what they learned in Guitar Hero or Rock Band, do you honestly think things would be any different without them? They would. But it'd only be for the worse.

afterstasis

06-23-2009, 12:46 PM

Well they don't want to be known for one song like dragonfail I can't blame them

which is why the white stripes don't release singles, music videos, oh wait...

Wolfbeckett

06-23-2009, 12:49 PM

Well they don't want to be known for one song like dragonfail I can't blame them

This is not a valid excuse. There is just as much risk of that when you put a song on the radio. One hit wonders were commonplace long before these games came around. The fact is, anytime you release a single song for any format, be it radio, MTV, or now rhythm games, you run the risk of that song being your only claim to fame. You still have to try or you will be guaranteed to not become famous.

I stand by my original statement, games like these are one of the primary ways young people are discovering music now, musicians can either embrace that and reap the benefits or, like these two, they can reject it and let the new fans discover other bands instead.

Ehfahq

06-23-2009, 12:56 PM

But some kids do only listen to one song by that band cause of gh or Rb.I'm talking a majority not a minority

No, you are talking outa your ass.

afterstasis

06-23-2009, 12:56 PM

But some kids do only listen to one song by that band cause of gh or Rb.I'm talking a majority not a minority

it stands just as strong, if not even moreso with radio and music television programming, not to mention the havoc itunes has caused.

if anything, music gaming can force exposure of lesser known tracks...
how many young classic rock fans are now all about "highway star" and "let there be rock" in addition to the huge hits they already knew?

Elegy

06-23-2009, 12:57 PM

But some kids do only listen to one song by that band cause of gh or Rb.I'm talking a majority not a minority

yeah, and those same kids would hear one single on the radio, go out and iTunes the album, and ONLY listen to the single.

And yet, if GH/RB weren't here, I'd probably be the same, just looking into full crappy pop albums.

Ehfahq

06-23-2009, 01:00 PM

You guys are arguing with a elitist child who cares more about what others think of him, than the music he listens to.

Dont waste your time.

afterstasis

06-23-2009, 01:01 PM

I'm sorry but when did high way and let there be rock become lesser known?

when both songs were trashed all over these forums because they weren't "smoke on the water/hush" or "back in black/highway to hell".

now they've both become much more well-known songs to anyone who plays these games even casually...

Ehfahq

06-23-2009, 01:06 PM

"I'm just saying he doesn't want to be a 1 hit wonder"

Your saying a guy who has multiple hits, one with a different band doesnt want to be a one hit wonder?

Pour me a bowl of those paint chips.............

Wolfbeckett

06-23-2009, 01:09 PM

So he would rather they never hear about them in the first place and buy 0 songs?

afterstasis

06-23-2009, 01:10 PM

I'm just saying he doesn't want to be a 1 hit wonder.He avoided that during the radio era,he doesnt want it to happen now.See my point

i wouldn't be at all surprised if this is a simplified version of part of his reasoning, and i'll repeat that i doubt any musicians want to be a 1 hit wonder (though plenty will resign themselves to the status if they feel it's as good as they can do).

however, i don't think it's an effective method...

for one, led zeppelin is already far from 1 hit wonder status. if they were to never sell another record they'd be remembered for a very long time for much more than one song... it's silly to think that releasing your music through another format will somehow do anything but increase the amount of music you'll be remembered for.

additionally, i have no doubt that either game would be more than happy to take lesser known songs from zeppelin, or at the very least create a game based around the band where they could display some of their deeper cuts to audiences.

if jimmy page is truly avoiding these games because they don't want to be known as "the stairway to heaven band" then i think he's mistaken.

ryan12147

06-23-2009, 01:15 PM

Aren't the White Stripes in the next Guitar Hero?

and The Racontours (or however you spell it :rolleyes:)
aaaand you brought back the avatar!!!! :D

ArmsAreLoud

06-23-2009, 01:18 PM

I used to be into absolutely nothing. All of the "rock lovers" I knew were scene kids and I hated their music. I would just sit and play my N64, because I couldn't find anything else to preoccupy my time that I enjoyed. I had never been into music; the little metal I knew was the stuff that still digusts me now. Then GHIII happened, and I was introduced to One.

In adittion, my parents decided before I was born that all of their kids would learn to play an instrument. I was interested in both the guitar and the drums, but I picked the drums because they seemed easier. I ended up getting stuck with boring classical and marching band pieces, and quit soon after. Because of Guitar Hero and Rock Band, I was inspired to choose the guitar this time, and with a music library full of fun songs to play on the guitar, I am actually enjoying my instrument this time around.

Elegy

06-23-2009, 01:27 PM

Your a good person.But you got to remember a lot of people arn't like you.

Yeah. He's a good person. Which means GH/RB have the potential to spread the taste of music. It's not their fault if other people are idiots and decide not to look deeper into music.

And you said people only looking at one song is like back in the radio era? Guess what, WE ARE in the radio era. And the same stuff that happened back then, still happens now.

sillystou

06-23-2009, 01:27 PM

Douchebags.....

foolosophy

06-23-2009, 01:29 PM

Haha, Jack White is such a fool. He's in Guitar Hero 5 twice, as The White Stripes and The Raconteurs.

Apples

06-23-2009, 01:30 PM

I don't put any stock in this story.

Plenty of artists have taken their jabs over the years at music games, and most of them have changed their tune once the check cashed.

ArmsAreLoud

06-23-2009, 01:34 PM

Your a good person.But you got to remember a lot of people arn't like you.

I know several people with a similar story. These games spread music, and they tend to do it better than the radio.

Gowienczyk

06-23-2009, 01:35 PM

Haha, Jack White is such a fool. He's in Guitar Hero 5 twice, as The White Stripes and The Raconteurs.

So just because he's involved doesn't mean he can voice his opinion that he finds it depressing that this is how people have to get into music now?

afterstasis

06-23-2009, 01:42 PM

So just because he's involved doesn't mean he can voice his opinion that he finds it depressing that this is how people have to get into music now?

of course he can, at the expense of looking like a goober and resigning music to what i consider an even more depressing fate (loss of control for the $$$) than "casual music fan-itis".

Daemius

06-23-2009, 01:43 PM

I don't understand that. Why is it depressing to discover music on a video game? Is radio or tv a much more revered medium for music discovery or something? Or is it only cool to discover music via conversation with snooty local music store employees? "Hey man, don't listen to that mainstream crap, check out this classic group, yeah, man, kids these days have no taste in music." :rolleyes:

T-Hybrid

06-23-2009, 01:51 PM

LOL! I do love when the latest "OMG a celebrity said something about video games!" hate thread pops up.

Neither artist is bashing the game. Both are saying that it's unfortunate when people use the game as the *only* way of hearing new music.

And you know what, it's entirely true. Anybody who limits themselves to only ONE source of music (one station, one channel, one game) is essentially allowing a third party filter what music they hear before they get a chance to hear it.

There's nothing wrong if you learn about new bands through RB. The problem lies in ONLY using RB to expose yourself to new music. Because then you're filtering only based on what HMX/EA/MTV put out there.

It's best to build on top of RB exposure by listening to different radio stations, music video channels, and online streams....

Because just like ANYTHING you want to get a variety of exposure, or you're going to have a pre-determined bias and thus will never get the full exposure you deserve.

So seriously, let's stop with the moronic "OMG he hatez RB!" garbage and actually pay attention to the message for once.

DeadPhoenix223

06-23-2009, 01:57 PM

Yeah, they should be happy for music games, without Rock Band/Guitar Hero, we (the hip-hop generation) might not have ever wanted to revive the rock genre. Look at how many kids are playing guitar or drums now. Look how the "top 40 hits" in music are turning into 75% rock. All of that wouldn't have happened w/o guitar hero (or rock band)

Runesmith

06-23-2009, 02:04 PM

So just because he's involved doesn't mean he can voice his opinion that he finds it depressing that this is how people have to get into music now?

He certainly can, but he looks a bit integrity-less in the process.

Daemius

06-23-2009, 02:24 PM

So seriously, let's stop with the moronic "OMG he hatez RB!" garbage and actually pay attention to the message for once.

The message being "I'm a misinformed celebrity who automatically assumes that music games are the only source of music for kids?"

Kay, got it. :rolleyes:

Do we actually have solid statistics that show that kids are now only getting music from music games? Has there been a comprehensive longitudinal study? No, at least not to my knowledge. So until there is empirical evidence, these people are just talking out their ass about something they have terrible prejudices towards.

iwolfe

06-23-2009, 02:31 PM

This is pretty weird, since The White Stripes are in Guitar Hero 5.

J3st3r 360

06-23-2009, 02:38 PM

sssrcr85

06-23-2009, 02:55 PM

I guess they're entitled to their opinion. And so am I - they're both OVERrated.

Gatorguy91

06-23-2009, 03:07 PM

SonicRocker15X

06-23-2009, 03:08 PM

I guess they're entitled to their opinion. And so am I - they're both OVERrated.

Agreed.

Thunderfoot

06-23-2009, 03:53 PM

I agree with Jimmy Page. The best way to get your music to kids is to let P. Diddy sample your entire song for a crappy summer blockbuster.

Runesmith

06-23-2009, 03:56 PM

ohai serious overreaction by the entire RB.com community.

It is kind of sad if you're learning about this music from games, by the way. I mean, it's better than NOT learning about them, and since they imply that it isn't better than not learning about them, they really don't have much of a point.

I don't think so, especially because music in-game tends to have vastly better sound quality than the music you'd hear on a CD, the TV, or the radio.

ham736

06-23-2009, 04:17 PM

This is a little stupid... I mean, because of Rock Band, I'm a drummer now... Because of Rock Band, my tatse of music has spread a lot... At least now I'm looking at different forms of music, and it's all because of Rock Band... Stupid... >.>

This.

im a real drummer now as well, and its thanks to rock band.

to me these games are the starting point for kids and adults to start playing an instrument. it lets you get the feel of playing it and helps you make the descision on weather or not to pursue a musical career, or to get serious about playing a real instrument at all.

whofan

06-23-2009, 04:23 PM

So, that makes Jack White a:
a) Sell Out
b) Hypocrit
c) Douchebag
d) All Of The Above

(The answer is D)

I guess these guys would rather have their music fade into obscurity than to have kids reminded why they rock (well, Led does, White Stripes don't).

I really don't understand this elitist stance some artists are taking. These games are not much more than interactive LPs/CDs/MP3s. Kids will purchase them, become interested in the band and discover everything there is to know about the band. And that is bad... how?

Oscar-Rio

06-23-2009, 04:44 PM

I agree with Jimmy Page. The best way to get your music to kids is to let P. Diddy sample your entire song for a crappy summer blockbuster.

jimmy page would know a thing or two about this.

LinkStrifeLeonhart

06-23-2009, 04:48 PM

Both of the are manchildren. I'm glad there are many other artists out there that disagree with their pathetic attempt at a stance.

...What exactly is the ideal way to become exposed to music? Is it the radio? We kinda know how that worked out, didn't we? Is it randomly buying an album while in a store? How can that be ideal at all? Is it from your info from your friends? Then the question becomes where they were exposed

I mean, at least provide an example of an 'ideal' way to become exposed to music or something. In the grand scheme of things, RB/GH are supposed to be a gateway drug. You listen to a band you like then go out and find more of them and then buy the albums. After you've done that for a band, you look them up and find either bands in their genre, ask people what bands are like them, look at other bands in the same genre, or look up info about the band and find which ones they themselves like. Y'know, like all of the other ways of being exposed to music.

In short, they are stupid if they think the starting point matters.

LibertineStripes

06-23-2009, 05:06 PM

sssrcr85

06-23-2009, 05:23 PM

What a pair of idiots. I like some of their music but seriously, what's so wrong with discovering music through a game. Better than not discovering it at all, right?

moose39

06-23-2009, 05:25 PM

I agree with Jimmy Page. The best way to get your music to kids is to let P. Diddy sample your entire song for a crappy summer blockbuster.

Hey, Matthew Broderick was good in that movie, alright!?

xXjAmEZXx

06-23-2009, 08:15 PM

2. Jack White put "Icky Thump" in GH1 so what does that tell you?
*He also reissued it for GH: Smash Hits!!! Which came out, like a week ago.

..... orly?

Felldoh_The_Squirrel

06-23-2009, 08:23 PM

Lol @ Jack White complaing about guitar hero, while his songs are in the game anyway. Oh the lawlz.

chumsicles

06-23-2009, 08:28 PM

Eh

I can't stand Jack White or any of his bands anyway

While it irks me when dumb kids listen to an artist's one song on Rock Band or Guitar Hero and act as if they're the biggest fans of that artist after hearing that one song, that's not so much the game's fault as it is the kid's fault.

LinkStrifeLeonhart

06-23-2009, 10:32 PM

And you got a problem with being manchildish?

Yeah I do. When people are immature for really no reason at all it bugs me. And yes, it bugs me when I do it as well.

Also is there a larger article or something? I'm not reading anywhere that White is saying only video games as exposure.

Zidane

06-23-2009, 10:48 PM

Hate really brings people together.

ham736

06-23-2009, 10:49 PM

ham736

06-23-2009, 10:52 PM

sorry for the 2x post
i just found this

http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/jack-white-jimmy-page-latest-to-take-pot-shots-at-guitar-hero/1328769

here is a good section of the article:

"Page has repeatedly turned down doubtless lucrative offers from music game publishers. White, in contrast, doesn't seem quite as keen to put his money where his mouth is, as The White Stripes were recenty announced to be among the 84-strong list of artists featured in Guitar Hero 5. "

Skode

06-24-2009, 04:38 AM

hmmm, jack white now has three games with his songs on them (GH1, GH:SH, and GH5), i dont know what to believe. i guess what they are saying is that its ok to have a few songs on them, but it shouldnt be the only way people discover their music.

IDK

you have to realise a lot of the negotiations are done with the label themselves...Jack White may not have had an opinion on his songs being licensed because he may not have all the rights to the songs. In fact they may not have even been completely over ruled by the labels in question - its now well known some of the labels out there are really struggling financially so they are not gonna back down because the artists are in a strop (Pink Floyds label are now going to the band to try and talk them into the idea of licensing there music for these games)

A recent case that comes to mind is Depeche Mode, the girl band Saturdays covered this song for charity and when being asked about what he thought of this new version the lead singer for the band didnt even know his song was getting covered...he was informed at any point on this by his label it turned out. Long now have adverts and movies been licensing music from artists through the label oblivious to the songs writers knowlegde so i cant see it being any different for say White Stripes music being licensed for the games behind Jack Whites back.

Eric4372

06-24-2009, 05:27 AM

I find it insulting that GHII would contain a caricature of Jimmy Page, yet the real Jimmy Page insults rock music games. What a loser.

Buffdog18

06-24-2009, 08:19 AM

One thing to say about this.

VOCALS

sklus20

06-24-2009, 08:26 AM

mjlambert1

06-24-2009, 10:26 AM

Could be worse for them, people could only learn about their music from burned CDs where they net zilch in profit. Then, video games wouldn't seem so bad.

odd-props

06-24-2009, 01:47 PM

Page's very specific example leads me to believe it is already in the works.

Woo-hoo! Here's hoping it's rockband and not gh!

Icarus599

06-24-2009, 02:16 PM

I don't care, they're painfully overrated; don't deserve to be in the game.

If they don't want to, it's their loss. Stuck up little...

davidstead

06-24-2009, 03:48 PM

lol well the white stripes music isnt exactly to cover now is it, following GH patterns on drums etc is probs close to the real thing XD. As soon as the white stripes have an epic song that has an epic solo AND drumming etc then they can mock music games :)

80sheadbanger67

06-24-2009, 11:18 PM

I really find thier comments really disturbing because with what they are saying, does anyone else feel that they are degrading other acts like Rush, AC/DC, Paramore, Metallica and all these other bands for ALLOWING thier music on the games? I do and if I was those other bands, I'd have something to say about it.

Armymond

06-24-2009, 11:30 PM

I didn't know there was a right and wrong way to discover music. Eventually, the only right way to discover music will be hearing it in my local Kohl's store; All other ways are inferior.

packerfan8675309

06-25-2009, 01:11 AM

If your going to say something like that, I probably wouldnt put my songs in video games. The Seven Nation Army couldnt hold him back on dropping his hypocritical comments but they seemed to have been asleep when he signed up with GHWT.

I wonder what other musicians think of radio. Personally I think it is a little disappointing that it has to be heard on there for people to get in touch with it.

Exayle

06-25-2009, 03:44 AM

Translation: throw more money at us, then we'll talk.

TheGreatKtulu

06-25-2009, 08:25 AM

Jimmy Page is a giant overrated douche. This is hardly shocking.

T-Hybrid

06-25-2009, 09:54 AM

I didn't know there was a right and wrong way to discover music.
You're missing the point. It's not healthy if GH/RB are the ONLY way for you to discover music, because it's all being filtered by a third party (Activision/EA/MTV/Neversoft)

The goal is to mix up where you hear music so that even if each source is being filtered...you're hopefully getting different filters and thus some different stuff comes through to you.

But I think a lot of people are overreacting (as exepected) simply because a few quotes were pulled from context.

afterstasis

06-25-2009, 12:11 PM

You're missing the point. It's not healthy if GH/RB are the ONLY way for you to discover music, because it's all being filtered by a third party (Activision/EA/MTV/Neversoft)

The goal is to mix up where you hear music so that even if each source is being filtered...you're hopefully getting different filters and thus some different stuff comes through to you.

like i said earlier, i personally agree (despite the insignificance of it all), but don't see how downplaying one format is going to promote more variety in music sources...

music games are providing the first new method of attaining music since the internet's arrival on the scene, if i'm not mistaken, and they seem to be exposing loads of people to new bands that they weren't previously hearing on the radio/TV/internet.

if someone only hears new stuff via music games there's almost no chance that they'd be seeking it out any other way (many people just aren't into exploring music), and for every person who relies solely on these games for their musical culture there are many others who rely on their favorite radio station or their preferred music web-site.

classicrockdude

06-26-2009, 06:32 PM

Jimmy Page is a giant overrated douche. This is hardly shocking.

Have you ever met him?

Demyx-XIII

06-26-2009, 10:51 PM

My parents and I have this argument all the time. Don't get me wrong, I think these artists make an excellent point, that videogames are not a way to expose one's self to music. But who actually buys any of those games to learn how to play an instrument?

Personally, though, rock band and guitar hero have helped me learn certain riffs on my real guitar by ear (Enter Sandman intro, anyone?). Playing on the lower levels has even taught me ways to simplify riffs that are way too difficult for me, like the opening to Beast And The Harlot. Those games actually can help you in combination with prior knowledge and a good ear!!! That is all I have to say right now.

karmalord

06-27-2009, 02:28 PM

General Lein979

06-27-2009, 02:37 PM

My parents and I have this argument all the time. Don't get me wrong, I think these artists make an excellent point, that videogames are not a way to expose one's self to music.

I think they help as a jumping off point for an artist like hearing a song on a radio but the current generation isn't listening to the classic rock stations so they don't get that jumping off point with older bands. So the music genres give them that point. I would have never heard of dream theater because they don't get much radio play so when I heard them on the music games I got various albums because I liked the songs that I was introduced to and I like most of their songs now. Some even more.

Ziiggy Stardust

06-27-2009, 02:41 PM

Sorry to break it to both of them but the music industry is not the same from their time. If it wasn't for the rock band/guitar hero games less and less kids would be turning off from classic rock such as Led Zeppelin. Is it because they are not good? No its just that they would be having little to no exposure to such bands. They would just be turning on their tv to see Britney spears songs and Linkin park. The reason I became such a huge Who fan was (sort of ) becuase of rock band. I had heard their music before but never really thought much about it until I played Wont get fooled again on drums for the first time and REALLY listened to the music. I fell in love and then noticed that they played a lot of songs I knew and I started to become more and more of a fan of The Who and started to find more songs by them myself, not becuase of the game.

All I'm saying is kids just need a little push and they will find what is best for them, and these games seem to give them the push they need in the right direction.

FloodOne

06-27-2009, 02:53 PM

My parents and I have this argument all the time. Don't get me wrong, I think these artists make an excellent point, that videogames are not a way to expose one's self to music. But who actually buys any of those games to learn how to play an instrument?

And is there a correct way to expose yourself to music?

I'm just wondering what the right way is, so I can take back my Black Tide CD until I've heard about them the right way. :rolleyes:

willdabeast21

06-27-2009, 03:44 PM

The main game discussed here is Guitar Hero, but whatever.

Isn't it wonderful when the artists are so oblivious and stupid?

My thoughts/ranting:
WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND GIVES A DANG ABOUT WHERE THE PEOPLE HEARD THE MUSIC?
And also, they forgot to note that, although it teaches you little about the real instruments (possible exception being drumming), it inspires you to do the real thing.

And also, what the hell does Page's "Good Times Bad Times" comment have to do with any of this?

So, my ranting out of the way... Let the discussion begin.

And with this quote, Runesmith FTW.

Buddy, you're just bitter because it means no Zeppelin or White Stripes in Rock Band
And while yeah, Rock Band is a good way to get into new music, it pales in comparison to playing a real instrument.
I can see where they are both coming from.

Zidane

06-28-2009, 03:50 AM

What Jimmy Page is forgetting is his music will reach thousands of kids who wouldn't otherwise give him or Led Zeppelin the time of day. These games give the (paying) player another outlet to enjoy music -not learn the technicalities behind it.

The majority of kids who play these games have no aspirations of being musicians in real life. Led Zeppelin is one of the last bands to realize this and should have taken the lead from fellow rockers who understand the bottom line: The Song Remains the Same

QFT

I really wish I could play guitar, I've tried my hardest to learn and after three times it just didn't work out for me, but I still love music. Rock Band is something I use to just have fun with the music I love. Air guitar is a dead sport anyway.

Soja

06-28-2009, 04:53 AM

lol jack white

lol jimmy page

Runesmith

06-28-2009, 05:35 AM

Buddy, you're just bitter because it means no Zeppelin or White Stripes in Rock Band
And while yeah, Rock Band is a good way to get into new music, it pales in comparison to playing a real instrument.
I can see where they are both coming from.

But that is subjective. Some people have more fun playing Rock Band; some people have more fun playing actual instruments.

Oscar-Rio

06-28-2009, 09:10 AM

Most of you guys are getting way too butt-hurt over this.

leob5622

06-28-2009, 12:10 PM

I think, at least from this op, both of them misunderstand what drives people to listen to music or even become musicians. I don't play RB or GH to learn the real life counterparts. I play to enjoy the music and have fun. Games, movies, radio, they are all outputs for music. You don't need to be a musician to be appreciative of the words or the sounds.

Getting your name out there isn't selling out. Older bands need to work just as hard as the new guys to stay fresh in the minds and hearts of fans everywhere. Aerosmith, The Beatles, KISS, Metallica, and every band with dlc, they understand this. Not every artist is suited for this venue but, those who are need to see the benefits of it

Billy-93

06-28-2009, 05:58 PM

Aren't the White Stripes in the next Guitar Hero?

Yep

Probably kissing jimmy page's arse

I couldn't give a flying duck if led zep are in a music game,I wont be buying it.

classicrockdude

06-28-2009, 07:16 PM

Guys, if Jimmy Page does not like music games, it's his opinion. Who cares?

Soja

06-28-2009, 07:24 PM

Guys, if Jimmy Page does not like music games, it's his opinion. Who cares?The ones who are all BAWWW LED ZEPPELIN IS TEH BEST BAWWW

Those guys. The ones that want Stairway To Heaven in Rock Band?

Frankly, I don't give a crap. I just think it's funny seeing fanboys get their hopes grinded down.

Jack White is just a tool at this point.

classicrockdude

06-28-2009, 07:54 PM

The ones who are all BAWWW LED ZEPPELIN IS TEH BEST BAWWW

Those guys. The ones that want Stairway To Heaven in Rock Band?

Frankly, I don't give a crap. I just think it's funny seeing fanboys get their hopes grinded down.

Jack White is just a tool at this point.

well, i'm a huge Led Zeppelin fan. They are my most wanted band in rock band.

ThunderCurls

06-29-2009, 04:49 AM

White has DLC in GHWT also, The Raconteurs(?).

Soja

06-29-2009, 06:27 AM

well, i'm a huge Led Zeppelin fan. They are my most wanted band in rock band.Maybe you should get all your fellow fans together to petition Jimmy Page then. He's being a jerk about it now, but look at Jack White—

slimifyd

06-29-2009, 10:13 AM

jack white also has that james bond bit he did on GHWT so again hypocritical at very best.

at the end of the day its true it doesnt matter how someone stumbles across your music aslong as someone does and someone enjoys it, i personally think that RB n GH are both fan-flippin-tastic promo tools for old and new bands alike RB n GH can open up the flood gates for new styles and bring bands like led zep to a whole new generation,

also i play bass and ive got to be honest my mc'ing (as drum and bass is my main thing now) has taken the top on to do list but after grabbing my RB bundle a mear month ago ive fallen completely back in love with rock, funk, punk and moreover my bass guitar!! to some RB wont lead to picking up a guitar or starting a band, but to some its the confidence boost that they may need to take the plunge into grabbin the bull by the horns and starting to learn

and even if none of the above was relevent then Mr. Page and Mr. White why not just shut up sit back and milk the cash cow? come on! heres the first udder to get you going

whofan

06-29-2009, 11:37 AM

Guys, if Jimmy Page does not like music games, it's his opinion. Who cares?
Oh, it's his opinion, and that's fine. However, that opinion could help Led Zeppelin's music fade into obscurity quicker than it really should.

The future of music is interactive listening, not passive listening. Most artists out there are starting to realize that. Meanwhile Jimmy continues to show us that he's stuck in the past.

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