The Greatest of the Big Four Thrash Bands?

[SenorLarry]

Who do you think is the greatest of the "Big Four" thrash metal bands? In my opinion it's Metallica (who I consider the greatest band ever) by a longshot, but I could see how some could say Megadeth (who I would say is about the 7th-greatest band ever). Slayer and Anthrax come in 3rd and 4th because both are pretty much screamo and Anthrax's music just makes no sense to me.

[Alright_Computer]

Slayer and Anthrax come in 3rd and 4th because both are pretty much screamo and Anthrax's music just makes no sense to me.

lolwat.

Also, I'm going to have to go with Anthrax, but if Testament was on here they'd win for sure.

[JukeBoxHero]

Who do you think is the greatest of the "Big Four" thrash metal bands? In my opinion it's Metallica (who I consider the greatest band ever) by a longshot, but I could see how some could say Megadeth (who I would say is about the 7th-greatest band ever). Slayer and Anthrax come in 3rd and 4th because both are pretty much screamo and Anthrax's music just makes no sense to me.

Are you kidding me, trolling? Anthrax has primarily sung vocals!

Anyway Anthrax for me, Frank Bello is awesome.

[dabears116]

Slayer by a long shot. The majority of Metallica (like half of MoP, some of RTL, and all AJFA and forward) and Megadeth's (first two were, 3rd lost some and most of Rust In Peace wasn't) isn't even thrash. There are far better thrash bands.

And you calling them screamo makes you loose all credibility. Thanks for playing, we have some nice parting gifts for you. (the others will be here really soon)

[SenorLarry]

Are you kidding me, trolling? Anthrax has primarily sung vocals!

Anyway Anthrax for me, Frank Bello is awesome.

Sorry, I'm going by the only Anthrax song I've ever heard, Caught in a Mosh, which is all either screaming or talking.

[JukeBoxHero]

Sorry, I'm going by the only Anthrax song I've ever heard, Caught in a Mosh, which is all either screaming or talking.

.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm4ohAcGJWg

[Alright_Computer]

.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm4ohAcGJWg

And don't forget the time they tried to be the Beastie Boys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljB4kYSnxHQ

[dabears116]

Sorry, I'm going by the only Anthrax song I've ever heard, Caught in a Mosh, which is all either screaming or talking.Then why are you convinced Metallica is the best if you've only heard one song by the other bands? That's just ignorant.

[SenorLarry]

Slayer by a long shot. The majority of Metallica (like half of MoP, some of RTL, and all AJFA and forward) and Megadeth's (first two were, 3rd lost some and most of Rust In Peace wasn't) isn't even thrash. There are far better thrash bands.

And you calling them screamo makes you loose all credibility. Thanks for playing, we have some nice parting gifts for you. (the others will be here really soon)

Yes, it's true that early Metallica/Megadeth stuff is more influenced by NWOBHM bands even though they're from America. But they're still considered thrash bands because of their later stuff. And my definition of screamo is anything where the "vocalist" just yells and screams throughout the whole song. Do you ever hear any actual pitches in Slayer songs? Pretty much never. And Anthrax's music has lots and lots of screaming in it, although it has a little bit of singing. I mean it takes no talent. Anybody could get up there and yell and scream. Screamo (or primarily screamed/yelled vocal parts), by my definition, is the rap of the metal world. It's just worthless crap. So I'll just be more frank this time... I pretty much hate Slayer and Anthrax's music, although I will say Slayer's music is fun to play on music games. And ya, go ahead and call me a Metallica fanboy. You'd be telling the truth. But that doesn't affect how I feel about Slayer and Anthrax (although it might possibly skew my decision between Metallica and Megadeth).

[dabears116]

Yes, it's true that early Metallica/Megadeth stuff is more influenced by NWOBHM bands even though they're from America. But they're still considered thrash bands because of their later stuff. And my definition of screamo is anything where the "vocalist" just yells and screams throughout the whole song. Do you ever hear any actaul pitches in Slayer songs? Pretty much never. And Anthrax's music has lots and lots of screaming in it, although it has a little bit of singing. I mean it takes no talent. Anybody could get up there and yell and scream. Screamo (or primarily screamed/yelled vocal parts), by my definition, is the rap of the metal world. It's just worthless crap. So I'll just be more frank this time... I pretty much hate Slayer and Anthrax's music, although I will say Slayer's music is fun to play on music games.Pitched Slayer? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IzOMMd_TWo

And if you can't stand screaming (which I'll say Slayer hardly ever screams), then metal and hardcore punk are obviously not for you. Besides, screaming in a song doesn't make it screamo, it is an actual genre. Also, it's only the early work by Megadeth and Metallica that is thrash (first three albums by both, some of Rust In Peace). I recommend you stop there before you embarrass yourself any more.

[LegendofRock3021]

Yes, it's true that early Metallica/Megadeth stuff is more influenced by NWOBHM bands even though they're from America. But they're still considered thrash bands because of their later stuff. And my definition of screamo is anything where the "vocalist" just yells and screams throughout the whole song. Do you ever hear any actual pitches in Slayer songs? Pretty much never. And Anthrax's music has lots and lots of screaming in it, although it has a little bit of singing. I mean it takes no talent. Anybody could get up there and yell and scream. Screamo (or primarily screamed/yelled vocal parts), by my definition, is the rap of the metal world. It's just worthless crap. So I'll just be more frank this time... I pretty much hate Slayer and Anthrax's music, although I will say Slayer's music is fun to play on music games. And ya, go ahead and call me a Metallica fanboy. You'd be telling the truth. But that doesn't affect how I feel about Slayer and Anthrax (although it might possibly skew my decision between Metallica and Megadeth).

Hello stupid thread, thanks for providing some good stuff. :)

[Alright_Computer]

Yes, it's true that early Metallica/Megadeth stuff is more influenced by NWOBHM bands even though they're from America. But they're still considered thrash bands because of their later stuff. And my definition of screamo is anything where the "vocalist" just yells and screams throughout the whole song. Do you ever hear any actual pitches in Slayer songs? Pretty much never. And Anthrax's music has lots and lots of screaming in it, although it has a little bit of singing. I mean it takes no talent. Anybody could get up there and yell and scream. Screamo (or primarily screamed/yelled vocal parts), by my definition, is the rap of the metal world. It's just worthless crap. So I'll just be more frank this time... I pretty much hate Slayer and Anthrax's music, although I will say Slayer's music is fun to play on music games. And ya, go ahead and call me a Metallica fanboy. You'd be telling the truth. But that doesn't affect how I feel about Slayer and Anthrax (although it might possibly skew my decision between Metallica and Megadeth).

There's so much wrong with this post that I'm not even going to bother correcting it. However, bashing an entire genre you likely haven't heard much from (rap) and calling it worthless crap is just plain stupid and won't exactly impress anyone.

[SenorLarry]

Pitched Slayer? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IzOMMd_TWo

And if you can't stand screaming (which I'll say Slayer hardly ever screams), then metal and hardcore punk are obviously not for you. Besides, screaming in a song doesn't make it screamo, it is an actual genre. Also, it's only the early work by Megadeth and Metallica that is thrash (first three albums by both, some of Rust In Peace). I recommend you stop there before you embarrass yourself any more.

See, a lot of these things are subject to how you perceive them. I'm not saying there's no pitched Slayer. And I'm sorry I wasn't clear, but I mean if anything is primarily "sung" in a way that doesn't have an actual pitch (includes talking, which is really what Slayer generally is), rather than just screamed. I can tolerate screaming, but if, for example, you use it only a little bit, like SOAD. I probably could've used a better term than "screamo", but if you listen to Slayer and then Abnormality, you're gonna find more similarities than you would between Metallica and Abnormality. Kill 'Em All is one of Metallica's less-thrash albums in my opinion and bears more similarites to NWOBHM bands like Motorhead or Iron Maiden. Ride the Lightning was sort of thrash. Master of Puppets and ...And Justice for All are what I consider good, pure thrash. The Black Album and Load/ReLoad have just a tiny bit of thrash in them. Saint Anger is just a mess (the only crap Metallica has ever put out), and Death Magnetic is like a cross between thrash and... well, it's not exactly nu-metal, but more modern metal. I don't feel that I'm embarrassing myself at all. I suggest that you stop before you embarrass youself anymore. You just got served by a Metallica fanboy.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Someone create Fezadeth, Fezthrax and Fezayer tags.

[dabears116]

See, a lot of these things are subject to how you perceive them. I'm not saying there's no pitched Slayer. And I'm sorry I wasn't clear, but I mean if anything is primarily "sung" in a way that doesn't have an actual pitch (includes talking, which is really what Slayer generally is), rather than just screamed. I can tolerate screaming, but if, for example, you use it only a little bit, like SOAD. I probably could've used a better term than "screamo", but if you listen to Slayer and then Abnormality, you're gonna find more similarities than you would between Metallica and Abnormality. Kill 'Em All is one of Metallica's less-thrash albums in my opinion and bears more similarites to NWOBHM bands like Motorhead or Iron Maiden. Ride the Lightning was sort of thrash. Master of Puppets and ...And Justice for All are what I consider good, pure thrash. The Black Album and Load/ReLoad have just a tiny bit of thrash in them. Saint Anger is just a mess (the only crap Metallica has ever put out), and Death Magnetic is like a cross between thrash and... well, it's not exactly nu-metal, but more modern metal. I don't feel that I'm embarrassing myself at all. I suggest that you stop before you embarrass youself anymore. You just got served by a Metallica fanboy.Please, don't disagree with me when I know what I'm talking about. Kill Em All is Metallica's only thrash album. They have absolutely no thrash post 1988, and only a little bit on AJFA.

If you hate screaming than you're saying you have all of metal and hardcore punk sans NWOBHM, you obviously are not fit for metal. Aggression and complexity are what metal is about. Please, I don't care what you like, but keep your ignorant and moronic thoughts to yourself, you're only embarrassing yourself.

BTW, you obviously seem to not know the definition of thrash. Do some research and come back to me.

[SenorLarry]

There's so much wrong with this post that I'm not even going to bother correcting it. However, bashing an entire genre you likely haven't heard much from (rap) and calling it worthless crap is just plain stupid and won't exactly impress anyone.

Sorry, I'm taking these one at a time since people have a long time to post while I write my long replies, but I'll keep this one short.

There's nothing wrong with it based on factual information. Read my last long reply where I explain that it's not wrong. And yes, rap is worthless crap to me. Anybody can do it. I don't at all consider rap to be music and actually can tolerate screamo a lot more than rap.

[dabears116]

Sorry, I'm taking these one at a time since people have a long time to post while I write my long replies, but I'll keep this one short.

There's nothing wrong with it based on factual information. Read my last long reply where I explain that it's not wrong. And yes, rap is worthless crap to me. Anybody can do it. I don't at all consider rap to be music and actually can tolerate screamo a lot more than rap.
Factual? Where are you getting your facts from? Why should your opinion be correct when we have been exposed to exponential amounts of music as opposed to you. You want facts? Rap is definitely music. Slayer and Anthrax are not screamo, Abnormality is not screamo, you have never heard screamo. Metallica's only thrash album was Kill 'Em All, Megadeth's only thrash albums were Killing Is My Business and Peace Sells. Metallica's post 1988 was not metal, if anything the black album had some sludge metal influence. Facts? Screaming is one of the most difficult tasks vocals do. Making (good) rap takes tremendous talent. This is extremely laughable.

[Alright_Computer]

Sorry, I'm taking these one at a time since people have a long time to post while I write my long replies, but I'll keep this one short.

There's nothing wrong with it based on factual information. Read my last long reply where I explain that it's not wrong. And yes, rap is worthless crap to me. Anybody can do it. I don't at all consider rap to be music and actually can tolerate screamo a lot more than rap.

Oh really? Anyone can do rap? Feel free to make a rap song with deep, introspective lyrics and varied instrumentation like quite a few songs in the genre exhibit and post it here when you're done. In fact, do 12 of those songs, since making a rap album is easy, right?

And there are quite a few talented musicians in hip hop. Take the Roots, for example. Questlove, the Roots' drummer, is easily more talented and interesting that Lars Ulrich is currently, and he's performed with the likes of John Paul Jones from Led Zeppelin. But sure, it takes no talent to do hip hop, it's just rhyming about pimps and hos on the street. Let's go with that. :rolleyes:

[SenorLarry]

Please, don't disagree with me when I know what I'm talking about. Kill Em All is Metallica's only thrash album. They have absolutely no thrash post 1988, and only a little bit on AJFA.

If you hate screaming than you're saying you have all of metal and hardcore punk sans NWOBHM, you obviously are not fit for metal. Aggression and complexity are what metal is about. Please, I don't care what you like, but keep your ignorant and moronic thoughts to yourself, you're only embarrassing yourself.

BTW, you obviously seem to not know the definition of thrash. Do some research and come back to me.

It doesn't require much knowledge. The only thing I could figure is that I could possibly be stereotyping Slayer's musical style from 3 or 4 songs or Antrhax's music from 1 song. I'm sorry, I just don't see what you're saying about Kill 'Em All. It's not at all similar to anything from any other big thrash bands besides Megadeth, and that's because Mustaine wrote most of it. I said in that long post that you quoted that I'm fine with screaming as long as it doesn't dominate the whole song. Aggression is what I love about metal, and I listen to any kind of metal that's not primarily screaming/yelling/talking. I'm not the ignorant moron here. I'm actually quite an intellegent person. You, in fact, are being ignorant, because your definition of thrash is too narrow. Thrash metal is a subgenre of metal that is characterized by its fast tempo and aggression. Thrash metal songs typically use fast, percussive and low-register guitar riffs, overlaid with shredding-style lead work. Thrash metal lyrics are usually about social issues and are generally worded directly.

[Alright_Computer]

Thrash metal is a subgenre of metal that is characterized by its fast tempo and aggression. Thrash metal songs typically use fast, percussive and low-register guitar riffs, overlaid with shredding-style lead work. Thrash metal lyrics are usually about social issues and are generally worded directly.

Congratulations, you can copy and paste from Wikipedia. That doesn't prove you know anything about thrash though.

[dabears116]

It doesn't require much knowledge. The only thing I could figure is that I could possibly be stereotyping Slayer's musical style from 3 or 4 songs or Antrhax's music from 1 song. I'm sorry, I just don't see what you're saying about Kill 'Em All. It's not at all similar to anything from any other big thrash bands besides Megadeth, and that's because Mustaine wrote most of it. I said in that long post that you quoted that I'm fine with screaming as long as it doesn't dominate the whole song. Aggression is what I love about metal, and I listen to any kind of metal that's not primarily screaming/yelling/talking. I'm not the ignorant moron here. I'm actually quite an intellegent person. You, in fact, are being ignorant, because your definition of thrash is too narrow. Thrash metal is a subgenre of metal that is characterized by its fast tempo and aggression. Thrash metal songs typically use fast, percussive and low-register guitar riffs, overlaid with shredding-style lead work. Thrash metal lyrics are usually about social issues and are generally worded directly.You're looking at the definition, what don't you get?

This is thrash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtRDX9gBeRc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZLMD-wmirY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IUxqmBmjvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7o5ZoN7Bjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSKd6qDUCqs

And if screaming turns you away then metal is going to be hard for you. Screaming makes metal great. I thought the same way you did only a year ago, but now I listen to extremely brutal music. Besides, Slayer is hardly aggressive by my standards, especially with stuff like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M-vB_r9Z2o) at my hands.

[SenorLarry]

Oh really? Anyone can do rap? Feel free to make a rap song with deep, introspective lyrics and varied instrumentation like quite a few songs in the genre exhibit and post it here when you're done. In fact, do 12 of those songs, since making a rap album is easy, right?

First off, no, I would never even try a rap album because I hate it. Secondly, do you honestly believe that Fiddy-Cent, or Eminem, or whatever those lowlives are named, have the intelllegence to comprehend a single word you said in that third sentence? I'm sorry, but rap "music" does not generally have deep introspective lyrics, and the varied instrumentation is usually edited into the "songs" when they're produced. I think any famous rapper is an embarrassment to the US as a country for representing our music industry in such a pathetic way.

[Alright_Computer]

First off, no, I would never even try a rap album because I hate it. Secondly, do you honestly believe that Fiddy-Cent, or Eminem, or whatever those lowlives are named, have the intelllegence to comprehend a single word you said in that third sentence? I'm sorry, but rap "music" does not generally have deep introspective lyrics, and the varied instrumentation is usually edited into the "songs" when they're produced. I think any famous rapper is an embarrassment to the US as a country for representing our music industry in such a pathetic way.

I guess ignorance is bliss, right?

A Tribe Called Quest, The Roots, k-os, and many, many other hip hop artists disagree with you. Take your anti-rap trolling elsewhere.

You wouldn't say that Disturbed, Korn, and Linkin Park are representative of all of metal, right? Likewise, 50 Cent and Eminem don't represent all hip hop.

[SenorLarry]

You're looking at the definition, what don't you get?

This is thrash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtRDX9gBeRc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZLMD-wmirY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IUxqmBmjvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7o5ZoN7Bjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSKd6qDUCqs

And if screaming turns you away then metal is going to be hard for you. Screaming makes metal great. I thought the same way you did only a year ago, but now I listen to extremely brutal music. Besides, Slayer is hardly aggressive by my standards, especially with stuff like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M-vB_r9Z2o) at my hands.

This computer doesn't work well with YouTube, but I'll check those out later. Now, for the third time moron, I don't mind screaming as long as it's not the whole song (or most of the song). It would be pretty difficult for me to get much more aggressive than anything primarily sung, because I've already been raised with classical and country music. It took me a year to make the transition from that to Metallica and Megadeth, and my mom still doesn't like it (ironically, my granpdpa actually kind of likes it). And I'm not saying Slayer is "brutal". It's just not my kind of music because a lot of their vocal parts are primarily said/screamed/yelled.

[dabears116]

This computer doesn't work well with YouTube, but I'll check those out later. Now, for the third time moron, I don't mind screaming as long as it's not the whole song (or most of the song). It would be pretty difficult for me to get much more aggressive than anything primarily sung, because I've already been raised with classical and country music. It took me a year to make the transition from that to Metallica and Megadeth, and my mom still doesn't like it (ironically, my granpdpa actually kind of likes it). And I'm not saying Slayer is "brutal". It's just not my kind of music because a lot of their vocal parts are primarily said/screamed/yelled.That's fine, don't ever say you like metal though.

This is probably the funniest troll since the Led Zeppelin guy, I lol'd.

[Zidane]

In order of my favorites:

Metallica
Slayer
and constantly changing position....
Megadeth
Anthrax


I have a few Megadeth albums and they're enjoyable, but I only have one Anthrax album, that may be the reason.

[defenestrater]

I don't feel that I'm embarrassing myself at all. I suggest that you stop before you embarrass youself anymore. You just got served by a Metallica fanboy.

Most ridiculous/hilarious part of the thread.

Why are you guys still feeding this troll four pages later? :rolleyes:

[tridentgum0]

Most ridiculous/hilarious part of the thread.

Why are you guys still feeding this troll four pages later? :rolleyes:

Trolls are funny.

[defenestrater]

Trolls are funny.

Fair point.

[Quinarvy]

I'm going all a21 on you guys.


lolwat.

Also, I'm going to have to go with Anthrax, but if Testament was on here they'd win for sure.

Even with my limited knowledge of Thrash, I would vote Testament. Mainly cause I'm a Skolnick fan boy.


Are you kidding me, trolling? Anthrax has primarily sung vocals!

Anyway Anthrax for me, Frank Bello is awesome.

Again, Quin's limited knowledge agrees that Anthrax is primarily sung.


Slayer by a long shot. The majority of Metallica (like half of MoP, some of RTL, and all AJFA and forward) and Megadeth's (first two were, 3rd lost some and most of Rust In Peace wasn't) isn't even thrash. There are far better thrash bands.

And you calling them screamo makes you loose all credibility. Thanks for playing, we have some nice parting gifts for you. (the others will be here really soon)

I own Kill 'Em All, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, ...And Justice for All, Death Magnetic and select other few Metallica songs (The Ecstasy of Gold, Enter Sandman, Fuel). I don't own the rest, but I know it is all far from thrash. KEA is thrash, parts of the next 3 are thrash, DM has thrash elements, but isn't thrash, and nothing else is.


Sorry, I'm going by the only Anthrax song I've ever heard, Caught in a Mosh, which is all either screaming or talking.

Ignorance, is fun!


Then why are you convinced Metallica is the best if you've only heard one song by the other bands? That's just ignorant.

Because Metallica has a better overall catalog...wait a second!


Yes, it's true that early Metallica/Megadeth stuff is more influenced by NWOBHM bands even though they're from America. But they're still considered thrash bands because of their later stuff. And my definition of screamo is anything where the "vocalist" just yells and screams throughout the whole song. Do you ever hear any actual pitches in Slayer songs? Pretty much never. And Anthrax's music has lots and lots of screaming in it, although it has a little bit of singing. I mean it takes no talent. Anybody could get up there and yell and scream. Screamo (or primarily screamed/yelled vocal parts), by my definition, is the rap of the metal world. It's just worthless crap. So I'll just be more frank this time... I pretty much hate Slayer and Anthrax's music, although I will say Slayer's music is fun to play on music games. And ya, go ahead and call me a Metallica fanboy. You'd be telling the truth. But that doesn't affect how I feel about Slayer and Anthrax (although it might possibly skew my decision between Metallica and Megadeth).

What? NWOBHM=/=early Metallica/Megadeth.

Early Megadeth and Metallica is the thrash era.

Screamo =/= screaming in metal. Screamo is emo and punk with a lot of screaming and hard rock elements. I'm saying this based off what I've heard on radio, so don't roast me due to limited knowledge. I know there's good songs in screamo, because all genres have good music.


Pitched Slayer? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IzOMMd_TWo

And if you can't stand screaming (which I'll say Slayer hardly ever screams), then metal and hardcore punk are obviously not for you. Besides, screaming in a song doesn't make it screamo, it is an actual genre. Also, it's only the early work by Megadeth and Metallica that is thrash (first three albums by both, some of Rust In Peace). I recommend you stop there before you embarrass yourself any more.

This.


Hello stupid thread, thanks for providing some good stuff. :)

That.


There's so much wrong with this post that I'm not even going to bother correcting it. However, bashing an entire genre you likely haven't heard much from (rap) and calling it worthless crap is just plain stupid and won't exactly impress anyone.

But everyone knows that slipknot, avenged sevenfold, the devil wears prada, and underoath are representitive of all metal


See, a lot of these things are subject to how you perceive them. I'm not saying there's no pitched Slayer. And I'm sorry I wasn't clear, but I mean if anything is primarily "sung" in a way that doesn't have an actual pitch (includes talking, which is really what Slayer generally is), rather than just screamed. I can tolerate screaming, but if, for example, you use it only a little bit, like SOAD. I probably could've used a better term than "screamo", but if you listen to Slayer and then Abnormality, you're gonna find more similarities than you would between Metallica and Abnormality. Kill 'Em All is one of Metallica's less-thrash albums in my opinion and bears more similarites to NWOBHM bands like Motorhead or Iron Maiden. Ride the Lightning was sort of thrash. Master of Puppets and ...And Justice for All are what I consider good, pure thrash. The Black Album and Load/ReLoad have just a tiny bit of thrash in them. Saint Anger is just a mess (the only crap Metallica has ever put out), and Death Magnetic is like a cross between thrash and... well, it's not exactly nu-metal, but more modern metal. I don't feel that I'm embarrassing myself at all. I suggest that you stop before you embarrass youself anymore. You just got served by a Metallica fanboy.

Oh hell no, it's on now. Whats you serve someone, and they serve you back, it's on.


Please, don't disagree with me when I know what I'm talking about. Kill Em All is Metallica's only thrash album. They have absolutely no thrash post 1988, and only a little bit on AJFA.

If you hate screaming than you're saying you have all of metal and hardcore punk sans NWOBHM, you obviously are not fit for metal. Aggression and complexity are what metal is about. Please, I don't care what you like, but keep your ignorant and moronic thoughts to yourself, you're only embarrassing yourself.

BTW, you obviously seem to not know the definition of thrash. Do some research and come back to me.

I declare it to be on!


Sorry, I'm taking these one at a time since people have a long time to post while I write my long replies, but I'll keep this one short.

There's nothing wrong with it based on factual information. Read my last long reply where I explain that it's not wrong. And yes, rap is worthless crap to me. Anybody can do it. I don't at all consider rap to be music and actually can tolerate screamo a lot more than rap.

Blah blah blah I hate rap, I stereotypical metalhead who is more brutal then you, and you can't spell crap without rap.


Factual? Where are you getting your facts from? Why should your opinion be correct when we have been exposed to exponential amounts of music as opposed to you. You want facts? Rap is definitely music. Slayer and Anthrax are not screamo, Abnormality is not screamo, you have never heard screamo. Metallica's only thrash album was Kill 'Em All, Megadeth's only thrash albums were Killing Is My Business and Peace Sells. Metallica's post 1988 was not metal, if anything the black album had some sludge metal influence. Facts? Screaming is one of the most difficult tasks vocals do. Making (good) rap takes tremendous talent. This is extremely laughable.

Screaming is easy, as long as you don't act like an ass about and ruin your vocal chords.

Rapping is teh eziest! All u do is tlk fast.


Oh really? Anyone can do rap? Feel free to make a rap song with deep, introspective lyrics and varied instrumentation like quite a few songs in the genre exhibit and post it here when you're done. In fact, do 12 of those songs, since making a rap album is easy, right?

And there are quite a few talented musicians in hip hop. Take the Roots, for example. Questlove, the Roots' drummer, is easily more talented and interesting that Lars Ulrich is currently, and he's performed with the likes of John Paul Jones from Led Zeppelin. But sure, it takes no talent to do hip hop, it's just rhyming about pimps and hos on the street. Let's go with that. :rolleyes:

No rappers have talent, is that hard to understand? In one of the most popular genres out there, there is no talent, because all they do is talk fast.


Congratulations, you can copy and paste from Wikipedia. That doesn't prove you know anything about thrash though.

Wikipedia knows all!


You're looking at the definition, what don't you get?

This is thrash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtRDX9gBeRc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZLMD-wmirY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IUxqmBmjvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7o5ZoN7Bjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSKd6qDUCqs

And if screaming turns you away then metal is going to be hard for you. Screaming makes metal great. I thought the same way you did only a year ago, but now I listen to extremely brutal music. Besides, Slayer is hardly aggressive by my standards, especially with stuff like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M-vB_r9Z2o) at my hands.

I already said IT'S ON.


First off, no, I would never even try a rap album because I hate it. Secondly, do you honestly believe that Fiddy-Cent, or Eminem, or whatever those lowlives are named, have the intelllegence to comprehend a single word you said in that third sentence? I'm sorry, but rap "music" does not generally have deep introspective lyrics, and the varied instrumentation is usually edited into the "songs" when they're produced. I think any famous rapper is an embarrassment to the US as a country for representing our music industry in such a pathetic way.
Fun fact: The first rap song to be a number one hit was Rapture by Blondie.

Ahahaha, ignorance. Rap artists are from the biggest American artists. It's generally industrial copy and past pop, pop-country, or Christian "rock". Anyone got the top selling list for recent years?

I guess ignorance is bliss, right?

A Tribe Called Quest, The Roots, k-os, and many, many other hip hop artists disagree with you. Take your anti-rap trolling elsewhere.

You wouldn't say that Disturbed, Korn, and Linkin Park are representative of all of metal, right? Likewise, 50 Cent and Eminem don't represent all hip hop.


This computer doesn't work well with YouTube, but I'll check those out later. Now, for the third time moron, I don't mind screaming as long as it's not the whole song (or most of the song). It would be pretty difficult for me to get much more aggressive than anything primarily sung, because I've already been raised with classical and country music. It took me a year to make the transition from that to Metallica and Megadeth, and my mom still doesn't like it (ironically, my granpdpa actually kind of likes it). And I'm not saying Slayer is "brutal". It's just not my kind of music because a lot of their vocal parts are primarily said/screamed/yelled.

First, real metal fans don't care about being "brutal". They care about the music.

I was raised on crappy pop country and pop from all decades by my parents, rap by my brother, and classical in concert band. It's very difficult, I know, but heres the first rule.

Vocals=/=make a song.


That's fine, don't ever say you like metal though.

This is probably the funniest troll since the Led Zeppelin guy, I lol'd.

I smell a new name to be written down in the history of the HoR.


Most ridiculous/hilarious part of the thread.

Why are you guys still feeding this troll four pages later? :rolleyes:

Boredom, laughter, we need to get rid of our troll feed.


Trolls are funny.

Yes.

[Fizzeler]

lolwat.

Also, I'm going to have to go with Anthrax, but if Testament was on here they'd win for sure.


Are you kidding me, trolling? Anthrax has primarily sung vocals!

Anyway Anthrax for me, Frank Bello is awesome.

Anthrax for me and yes Frank is awesome


.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm4ohAcGJWg

Here are a couple more (Anthrax fanboy here, but not one of those who are vocal about it) :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw0owU8DzDg&feature=related
And one of my favorites from the same album (although Gung-Ho is my favorite from Spreading The Disease) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeV198F4o_k&feature=related

Congratulations, you can copy and paste from Wikipedia. That doesn't prove you know anything about thrash though.

lol



Even with my limited knowledge of Thrash, I would vote Testament. Mainly cause I'm a Skolnick fan boy.


Testament is second on my list 1st is Anthrax after that a tie between Megadeth and Slayer then Metallica is last


Again, Quin's limited knowledge agrees that Anthrax is primarily sung.


this is true

Also you misspelled Anthrax on the poll

[Onslaught_fei]

Holy crap.... hahahahaha at some of the misinformed "opinions"... Also come on... a big 4 thrash thread in HOR.... really?

[afterstasis]

it's like we took 10 steps backwards and then fell off a steep cliff...

[Oscar-Rio]

i wouldn't even know where to begin with this thread. There is so much head shaking that my neck is sore, and it's only 4 pages.

[Fizzeler]

i wouldn't even know where to begin with this thread. There is so much head shaking that my neck is sore, and it's only 4 pages.

Just pull an a21 ;)

[Oscar-Rio]

Just pull an a21 ;)

pfft, some of us have "real" work to get done. I could literally spend the better part of an hour picking this thread.

[Gowienczyk]

I'm resisting the urge to kill someone in this thread. :)

[Onslaught_fei]

See, a lot of these things are subject to how you perceive them. I'm not saying there's no pitched Slayer. And I'm sorry I wasn't clear, but I mean if anything is primarily "sung" in a way that doesn't have an actual pitch (includes talking, which is really what Slayer generally is), rather than just screamed. I can tolerate screaming, but if, for example, you use it only a little bit, like SOAD. I probably could've used a better term than "screamo", but if you listen to Slayer and then Abnormality, you're gonna find more similarities than you would between Metallica and Abnormality. Kill 'Em All is one of Metallica's less-thrash albums in my opinion and bears more similarites to NWOBHM bands like Motorhead or Iron Maiden. Ride the Lightning was sort of thrash. Master of Puppets and ...And Justice for All are what I consider good, pure thrash. The Black Album and Load/ReLoad have just a tiny bit of thrash in them. Saint Anger is just a mess (the only crap Metallica has ever put out), and Death Magnetic is like a cross between thrash and... well, it's not exactly nu-metal, but more modern metal. I don't feel that I'm embarrassing myself at all. I suggest that you stop before you embarrass youself anymore. You just got served by a Metallica fangirl.

OK the biggest problem is what you consider thrash in your own head and what the rest of the world considers as thrash metal. Come back to me after youve tasted some Overkill, Exodus, Kreator, Onslaught, Sodom, Exciter, Flotsam & Jetsam, Destruction, Coroner, Sepultura, Vio-lence, Annihilator, Acid Reign, or Dark Angel.

Seriously, Kill Em All one of the less thrashy? Thats arguably the MOST thrashy.

[Quinarvy]

OK the biggest problem is what you consider thrash in your own head and what the rest of the world considers as thrash metal. Come back to me after youve tasted some Overkill, Exodus, Kreator, Onslaught, Sodom, Exciter, Flotsam & Jetsam, Destruction, Coroner, Sepultura, Vio-lence, Annihilator, Acid Reign, or Dark Angel.

Seriously, Kill Em All one of the less thrashy? Thats arguably the MOST thrashy.

It's not even arguable to me. It's far and away the most thrashy.

[franticfish]

Oh god... oh god. Did I just read that Kill Em All was Metallica's least thrashy album!? I don't whether to rant or just sit back and laugh at the idiocy. Congrats SenorLarry on being the funniest troll in a while, its been quite some time since that Led Zep dude shared his hilarious idiocy with us.

[Fizzeler]

OK the biggest problem is what you consider thrash in your own head and what the rest of the world considers as thrash metal. Come back to me after youve tasted some Overkill, Exodus, Kreator, Onslaught, Sodom, Exciter, Flotsam & Jetsam, Destruction, Coroner, Sepultura, Vio-lence, Annihilator, Acid Reign, or Dark Angel.


Venom?

I need a good album for Floatsom & Jetsam

[franticfish]

Venom?

I need a good album for Floatsom & Jetsam
Venom aren't thrash dude, speed metal. Though they did have a huge influence on thrash (and every extreme metal genre) The only Flotsam & Jetsam album I really care for is Doomsday For The Deceiver which is regarded by nearly every fan of thrash I've came across as a thrash classic.

[Fizzeler]

Venom aren't thrash dude, speed metal. Though they did have a huge influence on thrash (and every extreme metal genre)

:(

I consider them a pioneer of thrash, but I guess they are not thrash

[Hastyl3]

I think I just died a little while reading this thread.:confused:

BTW: A good Flotsam and Jetsam album to start off with is No Place For Disgrace...

[Onslaught_fei]

Venom?

I need a good album for Floatsom & Jetsam

Venom is speed metal (i.e. NWOBHM) but can be considered the proto-extreme metal band and instigators of thrash, black, and death metal. I go either way. I think the black metal crowd is the most sensitive on their label but I find thrash works fine.

[Bub]

Here's my order of what I think of them.

1. Metallica
2. Anthrax (80s and early 90s only)
3. Megdeth
4. Slayer

[Fizzeler]

Venom is speed metal (i.e. NWOBHM) but can be considered the proto-extreme metal band and instigators of thrash, black, and death metal. I go either way. I think the black metal crowd is the most sensitive on their label but I find thrash works fine.

Okay I don't know I have considered them a pioneer of thrash so i thought they were thrash, but that works as well :D

[ArmsAreLoud]

Metallica. I loathe Slayer, Anthrax doesn't really connect with me, and Megadeth is just alright.

But Testament beats all four of them, by the way.

[Mystlyfe77]

Who do you think is the greatest of the "Big Four" thrash metal bands? In my opinion it's Metallica (who I consider the greatest band ever) by a longshot, but I could see how some could say Megadeth (who I would say is about the 7th-greatest band ever). Slayer and Anthrax come in 3rd and 4th because both are pretty much screamo and Anthrax's music just makes no sense to me.

Oh God. The stupidity of this post is too much!
Screaming (which isn't present in either of the bands mentioned) doesn't make something "screamo." That's just stupid.


Yes, it's true that early Metallica/Megadeth stuff is more influenced by NWOBHM bands even though they're from America. But they're still considered thrash bands because of their later stuff. And my definition of screamo is anything where the "vocalist" just yells and screams throughout the whole song. Do you ever hear any actual pitches in Slayer songs? Pretty much never. And Anthrax's music has lots and lots of screaming in it, although it has a little bit of singing. I mean it takes no talent. Anybody could get up there and yell and scream. Screamo (or primarily screamed/yelled vocal parts), by my definition, is the rap of the metal world. It's just worthless crap. So I'll just be more frank this time... I pretty much hate Slayer and Anthrax's music, although I will say Slayer's music is fun to play on music games. And ya, go ahead and call me a Metallica fanboy. You'd be telling the truth. But that doesn't affect how I feel about Slayer and Anthrax (although it might possibly skew my decision between Metallica and Megadeth).

First off, you're completely wrong about which eras of Megadeth and Metallica are thrash. They started thrash, and then became less thrash. Both of their debuts are their thrashiest albums. If you think otherwise, you don't know what thrash is.
Nobody cares what your definition of screamo is, because it's wrong. That's NOT what screamo is. Screamo is an offshoot of emo that borrows heavily from the more aggressive styles of music. It is generally high-pitched screamed (with some spoken and sung vocals), features dissonant and chaotic guitar work (with melodic and/or tranquil interludes), and punk-style drumming. It is NOT just anything with screamed vocals.


See, a lot of these things are subject to how you perceive them. I'm not saying there's no pitched Slayer. And I'm sorry I wasn't clear, but I mean if anything is primarily "sung" in a way that doesn't have an actual pitch (includes talking, which is really what Slayer generally is), rather than just screamed. I can tolerate screaming, but if, for example, you use it only a little bit, like SOAD. I probably could've used a better term than "screamo", but if you listen to Slayer and then Abnormality, you're gonna find more similarities than you would between Metallica and Abnormality. Kill 'Em All is one of Metallica's less-thrash albums in my opinion and bears more similarites to NWOBHM bands like Motorhead or Iron Maiden. Ride the Lightning was sort of thrash. Master of Puppets and ...And Justice for All are what I consider good, pure thrash. The Black Album and Load/ReLoad have just a tiny bit of thrash in them. Saint Anger is just a mess (the only crap Metallica has ever put out), and Death Magnetic is like a cross between thrash and... well, it's not exactly nu-metal, but more modern metal. I don't feel that I'm embarrassing myself at all. I suggest that you stop before you embarrass youself anymore. You just got served by a Metallica fanboy.

You didn't "serve" anyone. You just made yourself look foolish.
Kill 'Em All is, without a doubt, Metallica's thrashiest album. I'm not going to be as strict as DaBears116, as I believe that RTL, MoP, and AJFA are also thrash, but there's no doubt they were less thrashy. Metallica and Megadeth (and to a certain extent, bands like Testament and even Slayer at points) dressed up their thrash with things like melodic sections, acoustic passages, and the whatnot.



There's nothing wrong with it based on factual information. Read my last long reply where I explain that it's not wrong. And yes, rap is worthless crap to me. Anybody can do it. I don't at all consider rap to be music and actually can tolerate screamo a lot more than rap.

Really, anyone can do it? Anyone?
Go ahead. Do it. Give it a shot.


I'm not the ignorant moron here. I'm actually quite an intellegent person. You, in fact, are being ignorant, because your definition of thrash is too narrow. Thrash metal is a subgenre of metal that is characterized by its fast tempo and aggression. Thrash metal songs typically use fast, percussive and low-register guitar riffs, overlaid with shredding-style lead work. Thrash metal lyrics are usually about social issues and are generally worded directly.

You're certainly not showing much intelligence, just plenty of ignorance (which is plenty obvious by the fact you're basing your opinion on a single Anthrax song). His definition of thrash isn't as narrow as yours is WRONG.
Way to quote Wikipedia, but even that is the most overly generalized and vague definition of thrash. And the comment about lyrics is actually pretty wrong once you escape the realm of Metallica and Megadeth (tell me that any of the revival thrash bands have lyrics about social issues, I dare you).
Thrash is aggressive, fast, etc etc etc
But so is hardcore punk. So is death metal. So is grindcore. So are many other forms of extreme music.
You have to look at the staccato tremolo picking, vocal styles, [typically] dual-guitar structure, and relatively low use of syncopation.


First off, no, I would never even try a rap album because I hate it. Secondly, do you honestly believe that Fiddy-Cent, or Eminem, or whatever those lowlives are named, have the intelllegence to comprehend a single word you said in that third sentence? I'm sorry, but rap "music" does not generally have deep introspective lyrics, and the varied instrumentation is usually edited into the "songs" when they're produced. I think any famous rapper is an embarrassment to the US as a country for representing our music industry in such a pathetic way.

Wow........
Just wow.
This is so horribly wrong in so many ways.


It's not even arguable to me. It's far and away the most thrashy.

Ditto. There's no argument about it.

[Gowienczyk]

That's NOT what screamo is. Screamo is an offshoot of emo that borrows heavily from the more aggressive styles of music. It is generally high-pitched screamed (with some spoken and sung vocals), features dissonant and chaotic guitar work (with melodic and/or tranquil interludes), and punk-style drumming. It is NOT just anything with screamed vocals.

Sung melodies are really rare is screamo, really.

[afterstasis]

Sung melodies are really rare is screamo, really.

i wouldn't call them really rare, but they're less frequent than most people think.

it also sorta depends on where you draw the line between emo and screamo, which varies pretty wildly.

[timmay9]

I think someone left their computer open.

[Gowienczyk]

i wouldn't call them really rare, but they're less frequent than most people think.

it also sorta depends on where you draw the line between emo and screamo, which varies pretty wildly.

Well there's at least two main forms of screamo, isn't there? The Funeral Diner/Majority Rule style where it's all about build up's, progressions and so forth. Then you have the Orchid/Saetia style where there's usually little built up and pretty straight forward. Then you have the weird hybrids between both styles. Some in the gray area. Like Yaphet Kotto for example, they use melodic vocals quite often.

[afterstasis]

Well there's at least two main forms of screamo, isn't there? The Funeral Diner/Majority Rule style where it's all about build up's, progressions and so forth. Then you have the Orchid/Saetia style where there's usually little built up and pretty straight forward. Then you have the weird hybrids between both styles. Some in the gray area. Like Yaphet Kotto for example, they use melodic vocals quite often.

well, at this point i suppose screamo has existed long enough that you could draw those lines, but the idea of sectioning the genre off is pretty daunting to me.

i do agree that there seem to be two main schools of screamo, one group progressing the genre (whether it's mixing in synths or other styles of music) and then another group keeping it more traditionally hardcore/punk-based.
both kinds rule, so as long as it's an actual screamo band i don't personally feel the need to segregate since i'm gonna want to hear it regardless. :)

[MrFruitLord]

You sir, are an idiot. I'm gonna vote Anthrax though, just because I hate to see someone judge them on one song. Also, your opinion of what makes a genre doesn't rally matter! It's wrong!

[FastSolo.]

IMO
1) Metallica
2) Megadeth
3) Slayer
4) Anthrax

[MrFruitLord]

I can tolerate screaming, but if, for example, you use it only a little bit, like SOAD.

Everyday, I come closer to recanting my love of SOAD...

[Evilbottom]

I think the troll is gone now. Anyway, in my opinion:

Slayer
Megadeth
Anthrax
Metallica

Thrash isn't even my main scene, but I enjoy visiting it every now and again.

[back_blows]

SenorLarry please fell free to make more threads. I haven't laughed this hard in a while.

[timmay9]

See, I don't think it was him. He's been a member for a while now, and has never posted anything this stupid.

Exactly why you don't leave your computer open with other people around.

[dabears116]

Trolls are a primitive source of entertainment.

[SevinWoohoo]

Slayer and Anthrax come in 3rd and 4th because both are pretty much screamo

Have fun saying that this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pU1zAXUsF0) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcXSj8QeL70) are the 'pretty much' the same as this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yC50as9Nco&feature=related). Please leave the internet. Also, I voted Megadeth. I just like their instrumentation more than the others.

[gmarsh]

metallica(80's stuff)

[Mega-Tallica]

Metallica is best commercially out of the four.

[dabears116]

Metallica is best commercially out of the four.Metallica is the worst musically out of the four.

[MrFruitLord]

Metallica is the worst musically out of the four.

This. I even like Slayer more than Metallica. I like One, MOP, KEA, and RTL. They're new stuff makes me want to die.

[KingProgdor]

Anthrax for me, hands down. Joey B era can't be beat.

[Mystlyfe77]

Sung melodies are really rare is screamo, really.

I was kinda lumping in some of the screamier emo bands too.


Everyday, I come closer to recanting my love of SOAD...

People like this make it difficult for me to admit my love of certain bands (like SOAD, Lamb of God, Rush, etc.).

[tridentgum0]

I was kinda lumping in some of the screamier emo bands too.



People like this make it difficult for me to admit my love of certain bands (like SOAD, Lamb of God, Rush, etc.).

Hell yes. I never new you liked LOG Myst, they're amongst my favorite bands of all-time.

[Mega-Tallica]

Metallica is the worst musically out of the four.

You took my second line:(

But, yeah, I agree.:D

[Mystlyfe77]

Hell yes. I never new you liked LOG Myst, they're amongst my favorite bands of all-time.

Apparently you're the only one who's missed me defending them or never looked at my overall charts on last.fm. :rolleyes::p

[MrFruitLord]

People like this make it difficult for me to admit my love of certain bands (like SOAD, Lamb of God, Rush, etc.).

People like me? Or the OP?

[supernova1324]

People like this make it difficult for me to admit my love of certain bands (like SOAD, Lamb of God, Rush, etc.).

Me too.

[Mystlyfe77]

People like me? Or the OP?

The OP.

[Meatwad555]

Megadeth dammit.

[Mega-Tallica]

How am I not surprised to see Metallica winning?

[Tank9088]

1. Anthrax
2. Megadeth
3. Metallica
4. Slayer

EDIT: Dammit, just realized I necroposted, was linked to this thread.

[zack10house]

Apparently you're the only one who's missed me defending them or never looked at my overall charts on last.fm. :rolleyes::p

I learned something today too :p

On topic, Metallica wins.
Megadeth is a very close second, but I don't like Mustaine's voice.
I've never listened to a lot of Anthrax (5 songs: Madhouse, Caught In A Mosh, Im The Man, Efilnikufesin, Indians) but I love what I've heard.
Slayer's good, technically speaking, but I've just never been able to listen to them. It's almost too thrash for my tastes (although, for whatever reason, I love Municipal Waste)
Best: Metallica
2: Megadeth
3: Anthrax
4: Slayer

[Teh_Jakester]

1: Megadeth
Best songwriting and instrumental-work (don't believe me? listen to In My Darkest Hour, babe), by a longshot. Vocals are hit or miss. Sure, Glen Drover sucked, but one out of six ain't bad. All their other guitarists were awesome, especially Chris Poland and Jeff Young. Broderick seems cool, but I'll need to hear Endgame before judging.

2: Anthrax
Could never really get into Anthrax for some reason. Songs like Fueled, Madhouse and Caught in a Mosh are okay, though.

3: Slayer
Not a fan at all. The vocals make me want to puke, but the instruments seem solid from what I've heard.

4: Metallica
"hey let's kick out the ginger as a prank" "sounds sweet" And, thus, Metallica lost one of the two good members they've had. Then the other died after the third album, and we're left with a band who delves in and out of Metal faster than *insert Paris Hilton joke here*. Of their entire discography, all I can stomach is St. Anger and maybe a couple tracks off Kill 'Em All and Reload. The thing is, Metallica's songs in the '80s were too long. They droned on and on for ages with no end in sight. Maybe I'd like their material more if it were four minutes or less, and if Kirk didn't get any solos.

[Soror_YZBL]

I can't choose between anthrax and slayer anymore! what's wrong with me???

I've vote anthrax to give east coast props then. :)