Why do people "hate" Led Zeppelin? [Archive] - Rock Band Forums // Rock Band®

XacharyCross

07-05-2009, 06:13 PM

Necker and squaretriangles in the Abnormality VS. LZ thread.

I mean, so many people said they prefer a band with a 3 song EP over a band who produced several incredible albums. I don't get it.

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Even as a Zeppelin fan meself, yeah, as others have mentioned, a lot of fans are way overboard on it (same with any big following band, generally).

CommonCriminal

07-05-2009, 06:15 PM

Even as a Zeppelin fan meself, yeah, as others have mentioned, a lot of fans are way overboard on it (same with any big following band, generally).

They weren't being sarcastic from what I read. If they were, how am I supposed to understand sarcasm when I can't hear the tone they are saying it in?

franticfish

07-05-2009, 06:15 PM

afterstasis

07-05-2009, 06:15 PM

i personally consider abnormality and led zeppelin just about equal, considering i like three abnormality songs and approximately seven led zeppelin songs.

after abnormality puts another release out it's quite possible i'll prefer them.

Gowienczyk

07-05-2009, 06:17 PM

Also, sarcasm is pretty easy to pick up online in my experience.

CommonCriminal

07-05-2009, 06:22 PM

Dragonheart1991

07-05-2009, 06:23 PM

Don't hate them, just think they are too TIGHT with their music to even consider putting their songs on Rock Band. I mean, how are they going to get new fans, many bands that featured on RB have gained more fans and sales.

So i don't get why LZ would refuse.

Teh_Jakester

07-05-2009, 06:25 PM

The only Zeppelin songs I hate are the slow ones. Robert Plant can't do slow. He has to belt out those lyrics.

Cubecubed

07-05-2009, 06:27 PM

as someone who casually enjoys zeppelin, i don't really know.but i also don't get the people who worship zeppelin like some sort of deity.

CommonCriminal

07-05-2009, 06:27 PM

The only Zeppelin songs I hate are the slow ones. Robert Plant can't do slow. He has to belt out those lyrics.

Going to California?

neckermanncj

07-05-2009, 06:28 PM

i hate them

mostly because of the fans and the hype they get, and they aren't anything special

Teh_Jakester

07-05-2009, 06:30 PM

Going to California?

Going to California is... okay. Not great, but it's passable.

Cubecubed

07-05-2009, 06:32 PM

i hate them

mostly because of the fans and the hype they get, and they aren't anything special

thats kinda how i feel about Radiohead,minus the hating them part.They're ok to me.

Teh_Jakester

07-05-2009, 06:33 PM

thats kinda how i feel about Radiohead,minus the hating them part.They're ok to me.

I'm sure most people have that for one band or another. Mine's Metallica, minus the okay part. I hate them, as musicians and human beings.

Squaretriangles

07-05-2009, 06:36 PM

Teh_Jakester

07-05-2009, 06:37 PM

Woah!!!!

When did I ever say I hated Led Zeppelin?!? I own almost half of their discography with Zep II through Physical Graffiti.

You don't have Led Zeppelin I? You should get it; it's great.

ROCKBANDFANATIC7526

07-05-2009, 06:38 PM

Woah!!!!

When did I ever say I hated Led Zeppelin?!? I own almost half of their discography with Zep II through Physical Graffiti.

Ha, That's nothing, I own Zep I to Physical Graffiti. :p

^ I agree, Zep I is a great debut!!!

franticfish

07-05-2009, 06:42 PM

Ha, That's nothing, I own Zep I to Physical Graffiti. :p
Well I own LZ I to Coda plus countless bootlegs, yeah I use to be Led Zep nut.

Onslaught_fei

07-05-2009, 07:20 PM

Zep is okay. As for Abnormality vs LZ I look at this way. Abnormality is trodding well travelled grown, making music that doesnt push any boundries and is what it is. There are hundreds of brutal deathgrind type bands and its a convoluded genre without much room to be unique. Which is fine, its good stuff. But LZ did blend hard rock with blues, folk, and heavy metal and hit a high level of popularity. They did some unique stuff, some stuff people like me have a hard time liking, but they were doing a formula that was fairly new and had barely been travelled by only a few other bands a few years before them.

neckermanncj

07-05-2009, 07:27 PM

thats kinda how i feel about Radiohead,minus the hating them part.They're ok to me.

fair enough

I'm sure most people have that for one band or another. Mine's Metallica, minus the okay part. I hate them, as musicians and human beings.

i hate a lot of bands Metallica are kinda equal on the hate to Led Zeppelin for me :p

dalcyte

07-05-2009, 07:37 PM

A lot of people really seem to hate led zeppelin only cause a lot of people like led zeppelin. They're being philistines. They hate music that a large chunk of people like, simply because that large chunk of people likes them--they don't even attempt to listen to the music, they just don't like to associate themselves with a majorjity.

It annoys me. I love Led Zeppelin so much, and because i really think what they do is brilliant. They've taken these classic blues riffs and then updated them and made them heavy, but then transformed them entirely into new songs and then branched off from there to make entirely original and terrific work.

afterstasis

07-05-2009, 07:40 PM

What are the Zeppelin songs?

off the top of my head i enjoy...
all my love, over the hills and far away, friends, hats off to roy harper, immigrant song, going to california, and a few more tickle my fancy.

classicrockdude

07-05-2009, 07:43 PM

There is a lot of hate for Led Zeppelin on these fourms. I am a huge fan, but people have opinions. I can't stand people who hate Led Zeppelin just because of how popular they are. That's annoying

Stones_Clash

07-05-2009, 07:49 PM

i like them, but i far prefer bands like the stones and the who as far as classic rock goes. theyre often considered the end all be all rock band, and while i admit that i do like several songs and albums, there are other bands from that era that i strongly prefer such as the aforementioned ones.

HeIsEdrid

07-05-2009, 08:01 PM

off the top of my head i enjoy...
all my love, over the hills and far away, friends, hats off to roy harper, immigrant song, going to california, and a few more tickle my fancy.

I have no idea if you have heard Led Zeppelin III, but if you haven't, listen to it all in one sitting, and I guarantee you will like it, even if you think it's just average, there are a few riffs and vocal "riffs" (can't think of the word right now) that you'll find at least one song (Celebration Day was the only one I liked for awhile) that you like.

Onslaught_fei

07-05-2009, 08:05 PM

I have no idea if you have heard Led Zeppelin III, but if you haven't, listen to it all in one sitting, and I guarantee you will like it, even if you think it's just average, there are a few riffs and vocal "riffs" (can't think of the word right now) that you'll find at least one song (Celebration Day was the only one I liked for awhile) that you like.

Vocal riffs? Hooks?

afterstasis

07-05-2009, 08:07 PM

Fizzeler

07-05-2009, 08:15 PM

I don't hate Zeppelin (never have), but they have become overplayed for me (same for The Rolling Stones) so I don't enjoy them as much as I use to

cherokeesam

07-05-2009, 09:35 PM

Zeppelin invented rock and roll. Everybody knows that.

Personally, I love Zep. And the only people who say they're overrated or they hate them were born after 1980. If you weren't a teenager or in your 20s-30s in the 1970s, then you have no idea how much they owned rock and roll in that decade.

ImHotterThanYou

07-05-2009, 09:50 PM

Why do YOU hate them?
They have WAY to many overly agressive close minded fans who will not try anything new and are stuck in the past.

Mystlyfe77

07-05-2009, 09:52 PM

Mine's Metallica, minus the okay part. I hate them, as musicians and human beings.

That last part is taking a bit far. And by a "bit," I mean significantly too far.

willdabeast21

07-05-2009, 09:52 PM

I hate the phrase "over-rated"
I love Led Zeppelin, because they are what got me off pop music
Zeppelin IV got me into rock, from there I started with some Hendrix and The Stones and it evolved from there
If Led Zeppelin were some local band playin' outta my neighbors garage, I'd still love 'em
But, unfortunatly, they aren't, they are a household name and certainly one of the most successful bands of all-time, but that doesn't make them any less awesome to me
I just like their sound, and I don't care if the stairway's played 657456748926747890275843579021 times on the radio everyday, it's still better than "I Kissed a Girl"

Squaretriangles

07-05-2009, 09:57 PM

They have WAY to many overly agressive close minded fans who will not try anything new and are stuck in the past.

Like.... you?

Alright_Computer

07-05-2009, 09:58 PM

They have WAY to many overly agressive close minded fans who will not try anything new and are stuck in the past.

Ahem.

LOLWUT

neckermanncj

07-05-2009, 09:58 PM

Like.... you?

Winner! Lock it up! :D

Squaretriangles

07-05-2009, 10:04 PM

Winner! Lock it up! :D

From what I've seen here over the past few days, that describes her perfectly. :confused:

ImHotterThanYou

07-05-2009, 10:06 PM

Like.... you?

No I dont fit that definition exactly, but I know a few people who do.

Squaretriangles

07-05-2009, 10:07 PM

I know a few people who do.

Like.... you?

EDIT: I know there are people who will back me up on this.....

Oscar-Rio

07-05-2009, 10:09 PM

i don't hate LZ, i'm just done with them and have no urge or desire to ever listen to them again.

ImHotterThanYou

07-05-2009, 10:11 PM

Like.... you?

EDIT: I know there are people who will back me up on this.....

No, Im not agressive.
I listen to AND enjoy plenty of artists other than LZ.
and
I'm definitely not stuck in the past.

tridentgum0

07-05-2009, 10:13 PM

No, Im not agressive.

Ha.

I'm definitely not stuck in the past.

Ha. What happened to "Classic Rock is the ONLY rock." :rolleyes:

neckermanncj

07-05-2009, 10:13 PM

From what I've seen here over the past few days, that describes her perfectly. :confused:

yes it does

ImHotterThanYou

07-05-2009, 10:15 PM

Ha. What happened to "Classic Rock is the ONLY rock." :rolleyes:
Keyword is "rock". The only rock music I listen to is classic rock. I listen to other genres of modern music that are not at all rock.

neckermanncj

07-05-2009, 10:20 PM

Keyword is "rock". The only rock music I listen to is classic rock. I listen to other genres of modern music that are not at all rock.

and there's your close mindedness.

Alright_Computer

07-05-2009, 10:21 PM

Ahem. (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b161/P3Shinobi/1192392913251.jpg)

Squaretriangles

07-05-2009, 10:23 PM

Ahem. (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b161/P3Shinobi/1192392913251.jpg)

I honestly think she's just a ridiculously stubborn, misguided person. How many trolls get to 100+ posts?

Alright_Computer

07-05-2009, 10:24 PM

I honestly think she's just a ridiculously stubborn, misguided person. How many trolls get to 100+ posts?

This one, apparently.

It's painfully obvious that they're a troll. Why do you guys even react to them?

Fragory123

07-05-2009, 10:25 PM

Keyword is "rock". The only rock music I listen to is classic rock. I listen to other genres of modern music that are not at all rock.

Um, did you just contradict yourself for every comment you have made in the past few days? Woah.

ImHotterThanYou

07-05-2009, 10:27 PM

and there's your close mindedness.

Lol I have listened to a few modern bands already like Radiohead, Elliott Smith, Portishead, Oasis, The Strokes, The Flaming Lips, Wilco, Interpol, Sufjan Stevens, Andrew Bird, Broken Social Scene, Stereolab, Queens of The Stone Age and loads more. I didnt enjoy them as much as the classic's so that's why I often dont listen to them and lean more toward the old stuff.

neckermanncj

07-05-2009, 10:28 PM

ImHotterThanYou

07-05-2009, 10:30 PM

lolright

I dont know why you think that a person could not like those artists.

Alright_Computer

07-05-2009, 10:31 PM

Lol I have listened to a few modern bands already like Radiohead, Elliott Smith, Portishead, Oasis, The Strokes, The Flaming Lips, Wilco, Interpol, Sufjan Stevens, Andrew Bird, Broken Social Scene, Stereolab, Queens of The Stone Age and loads more. I didnt enjoy them as much as the classic's so that's why I often dont listen to them and lean more toward the old stuff.

I thought everything after 1994 was a no-go? :rolleyes:

I can see past your disguise of classic rock hipster-ness and cutesy username and avatar to the deep, ugly, troll-tastic truth below. Just give it up.

ImHotterThanYou

07-05-2009, 10:35 PM

I thought everything after 1994 was a no-go? :rolleyes:

I can see past your disguise of classic rock hipster-ness and cutesy username and avatar to the deep, ugly, troll-tastic truth below. Just give it up.I rarely listen to any rock from post 1994 and when I do im usually doing it forcefully because of recommendations from people who say its good. I still listen to lots of music from post 94 though. Im not a troll you people troll me.

Squaretriangles

07-05-2009, 10:37 PM

I rarely listen to any rock from post 1994 and when I do im usually doing it forcefully because of recommendations from people who say its good. I still listen to lots of music from post 94 though. Im not a troll you people troll me.

Half of the stuff you just listed was "rock".

:confused::confused::confused:

Alright_Computer

07-05-2009, 10:37 PM

I rarely listen to any rock from post 1994 and when I do im usually doing it forcefully because of recommendations from people who say its good. I still listen to lots of music from post 94 though. Im not a troll you people troll me.

Then why was just about every artist you mentioned in your list a rock artist? For the sake of everyone, just give it up.

Mystlyfe77

07-05-2009, 10:38 PM

I honestly think she's just a ridiculously stubborn, misguided person. How many trolls get to 100+ posts?

Several, actually. "Her" last.fm is more clearly evidence it's a multi-user troll than anything else.

ImHotterThanYou

07-05-2009, 10:40 PM

Then why was just about every artist you mentioned in your list a rock artist? For the sake of everyone, just give it up.The stuff i listed was the stuff I tried from reccomendations I never said if i liked those artists or not.

ImHotterThanYou

07-05-2009, 10:44 PM

Then why was just about every artist you mentioned in your list a rock artist? For the sake of everyone, just give it up.
And if you all want me to leave this site than I will cause im obviously not wanted here.

Alright_Computer

07-05-2009, 10:46 PM

And if you all want me to leave this site than I will cause im obviously not wanted here.

I never told you to leave the site, just stop trolling everyone and be a better member of the community.

ImHotterThanYou

07-05-2009, 10:47 PM

I never told you to leave the site, just stop trolling everyone and be a better member of the community.I have NEVER trolled anyone. You people troll me first than I just respond as anyone else would.

Alright_Computer

07-05-2009, 10:49 PM

I have NEVER trolled anyone. You people troll me first than I just respond as anyone else would.

Is that all you can do to defend yourself? "I'm not trollin, but u guiz r, ok????" :rolleyes:

ImHotterThanYou

07-05-2009, 10:50 PM

Is that all you can do to defend yourself? "I'm not trollin, but u guiz r, ok????" :rolleyes:

Yes cause that's what happens.

Squaretriangles

07-05-2009, 10:54 PM

And if you all want me to leave this site than I will cause im obviously not wanted here.

No, stay. You keep the "stupid things" thread alive.

Somebody's got to do it.

JukeBoxHero

07-05-2009, 10:55 PM

No, stay. You help keep the "stupid things" thread alive.

Somebody's got to do it.

That's not an effective way to ask.

Squaretriangles

07-05-2009, 11:02 PM

Is that all you can do to defend yourself? "I'm not trollin, but u guiz r, ok????" :rolleyes:

lolboxy

That's not an effective way to ask.

Psh, effective, eschmective. :p

dalcyte

07-05-2009, 11:28 PM

lolboxy

Psh, effective, eschmective. :p

Waitasecond...
*looks up*
"Why do people 'hate' Led Zeppelin?"

Wtf does this have to do with that. You telling him he is a troll is no better than him being a troll because you're just doing the same thing. I don't know if you're calling anyone anything, and i don't know who is, but i see there are people doing it. Knock it off and have some meaningful discussion--there's some good things being said.

Everyone has opinions and they're entitled to them (unless, like i wrote earlier, they're unbased), so stop yelling at people for having them.

cherokeesam

07-05-2009, 11:39 PM

Mystlyfe77

07-05-2009, 11:41 PM

Alright_Computer

07-05-2009, 11:42 PM

good god CHILLUN PLEASE.....HUSH.

People are entitled to have musical opinions and to discuss them.
ImHotterThanYou may have some opinions you don't agree with, but "troll" does not fit the bill here ---- not in a forum that's slap-full of *real* trolling.

Maybe not what "she" said in this thread, but some other things "she" has said in other threads most definitely qualify "her" to be a troll, like when she spammed the forums with "I'M NOT ELITIST, I JUST THINK I HAVE THE GREATEST MUSIC TASTE IN THE WORLD" in practically every thread "she" could get her hands on.

Also, looking at "her" last.fm profile, there are quite a few images in there that are... unbecoming of a supposedly 16-year-old girl to have, to say the least.

afterstasis

07-05-2009, 11:44 PM

HMX, can i get a "has been wrecked by imhotterthanyou and her rivals" icon so i know which threads to avoid in my beloved HoR forum?

Squaretriangles

07-05-2009, 11:46 PM

Waitasecond...
*looks up*
"Why do people 'hate' Led Zeppelin?"

Wtf does this have to do with that. You telling him he is a troll is no better than him being a troll because you're just doing the same thing. I don't know if you're calling anyone anything, and i don't know who is, but i see there are people doing it. Knock it off and have some meaningful discussion--there's some good things being said.

Everyone has opinions and they're entitled to them (unless, like i wrote earlier, they're unbased), so stop yelling at people for having them.

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Does my 'boxy' reference not please you?

cherokeesam

07-05-2009, 11:53 PM

Maybe not what "she" said in this thread, but some other things "she" has said in other threads most definitely qualify "her" to be a troll, like when she spammed the forums with "I'M NOT ELITIST, I JUST THINK I HAVE THE GREATEST MUSIC TASTE IN THE WORLD" in practically every thread "she" could get her hands on.

Also, looking at "her" last.fm profile, there are quite a few images in there that are... unbecoming of a supposedly 16-year-old girl to have, to say the least.

I'm afraid I don't follow. :confused:

What images *are* a "supposedly" 16-year old girl supposed to have on her last.fm profile page that are "becoming?"

And (a) why is every girl on an Internet forum automatically suspected of being some male loser doing some virtual cross-dressing, and (b) whether or not that is/is not the case, how does that make that person a troll?

dalcyte

07-05-2009, 11:54 PM

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Does my 'boxy' reference not please you?

Wait, what i'm trying to say in that quote or what i'm trying to say in the humor thing...becauuuse they're different. I didn't see the boxy thing lol, i just looked at one or two pages.

Pleiadeez

07-05-2009, 11:57 PM

People don't hate bands, they only dislike their music b/c it does not appeal.
Except dragonforce

Squaretriangles

07-06-2009, 12:00 AM

Wait, what i'm trying to say in that quote or what i'm trying to say in the humor thing...becauuuse they're different. I didn't see the boxy thing lol, i just looked at one or two pages.

The way you structure your sentences makes them kind of hard to understand. And 'boxy' is a reference to a short-lived Youtube phenomenon who said pretty much exactly what I quoted there.

yaniv297

07-06-2009, 07:19 AM

Since I've Been Loving You is in my opinion the greatest song ever made. The Rain Song is also a top 10 for me.

They also made other great songs like No Quarter, When the Levee Breaks, etc.

Sadly, a lot of their songs are somewhat medicore... stuff like Black Dog, Whole Lotta Love and Rock and Roll are seriously overrated. Oh, and that stairway song is, too.

Oscar-Rio

07-06-2009, 09:41 AM

I'm not a troll, you people troll me.

i could not agree more.

King_Nuthin

07-06-2009, 06:21 PM

Hate is a strong word, I don't hate them. I just could never get into them. I tried because everyone kept saying how great they were but eventually I gave up and never looked back.

classicrockdude

07-06-2009, 06:34 PM

ImHotterThanYou is ruining the History of Rock fourms:(

Gowienczyk

07-06-2009, 06:34 PM

ImHotterThanYou is ruining the History of Rock fourms:(

Not really.

Alt_Rocker77

07-06-2009, 08:51 PM

I like the band, but their silly and trivial policies on media I.E. Stairway is not allowed in movie soundtrack because it is "too good", no music games, and trashing them to no end (at least Prince has a valid reason) makes them look like total DBs. It tarnishes their music. Don't get me started on their hardcore fan base.

Although, Whole Lotta Love and When the Levee Breaks are anything but underrated, I'm surprised people like Stairway more.

SuperRocker47

07-06-2009, 08:56 PM

Im really not a fan just cause it doesnt sound good to me. i find roberts plants voice very screechy and it just annoys me after a while. i find john bonhams drumming to be too eratic for me. im all for creativity but it just seems theres no rhythm. i like a few of their songs but overall just not really good. btw stairway to heaven is a good song imo.

Oscar-Rio

07-06-2009, 09:03 PM

ImHotterThanYou is ruining the History of Rock fourms:(

i disagree. I think you guys are doing a finer job of ruining this forum by constantly berating and attacking anyone who doesn't buy into the HOR musical bias that goes on in here.

ImHotterThanYou

07-06-2009, 09:22 PM

ImHotterThanYou is ruining the History of Rock fourms:(
How -.- ?
I couldn't make all these people hate LZ, they obviously already disliked them before my arrival they couldnt have made such a vast change just because of me and if so thats really dumb and even if all these people really hate LZ how would that ruin the section? I think that the constant flaming would be more harmful than people having opinionated views on LZ.

Oscar-Rio

07-06-2009, 09:23 PM

I think that the constant flaming would be more harmful than people having opinionated views on LZ.

that's because it is.

Gowienczyk

07-06-2009, 09:31 PM

Oh, stop whining.

Oscar-Rio

07-06-2009, 09:32 PM

Oh, stop whining.

Nice night for a walk.

cherokeesam

07-06-2009, 09:55 PM

How -.- ?
I couldn't make all these people hate LZ, they obviously already disliked them before my arrival they couldnt have made such a vast change just because of me and if so thats really dumb and even if all these people really hate LZ how would that ruin the section? I think that the constant flaming would be more harmful than people having opinionated views on LZ.

No, you couldn't make me hate LZ. Jesus himself couldn't make me hate LZ.

I don't hate LZ. I never have hated LZ. I never will hate LZ.

Mystlyfe77

07-06-2009, 10:01 PM

No, you couldn't make me hate LZ. Jesus himself couldn't make me hate LZ.

I don't hate LZ. I never have hated LZ. I never will hate LZ.

LZ killed your cat and raped your mother.

neckermanncj

07-06-2009, 10:03 PM

No, you couldn't make me like LZ. Jesus himself couldn't make me like LZ.

I don't like LZ. I never have liked LZ. I never will like LZ.

fixed for me :p

cherokeesam

07-06-2009, 10:15 PM

LZ killed your cat and raped your mother.

I thought it was the other way around.
Still luh-huvs me some Zep.

ffwarrior47

07-06-2009, 10:23 PM

I just could never get into Zep, aside from a few of their songs.

Quinarvy

07-07-2009, 01:27 AM

fixed for me :p

We get it.

You hate Led Zeppelin and love Radiohead.

Enough already.

Tank9088

07-07-2009, 01:37 AM

fixed for me :p

Seriously, I am so tired of the blatant Radiohead fanboyism and hatred of almost any other band we mention including Metallica and Led Zeppelin and if I wasn't so lazy I'd look up all the other bands you hate also. Just Stop.

Edit: Just realized Quinarvy basically posted exactly what I wanted to say.

neckermanncj

07-07-2009, 01:51 AM

We get it.

You hate Led Zeppelin and love Radiohead.

Enough already.

Seriously, I am so tired of the blatant Radiohead fanboyism and hatred of almost any other band we mention including Metallica and Led Zeppelin and if I wasn't so lazy I'd look up all the other bands you hate also. Just Stop.

Edit: Just realized Quinarvy basically posted exactly what I wanted to say.

where do i say i love radiohead in my above statement?

FYI Radiohead are NOT my favorite Band.

Gowienczyk

07-07-2009, 01:52 AM

We do not care.

Quinarvy

07-07-2009, 02:09 AM

Seriously, I am so tired of the blatant Radiohead fanboyism and hatred of almost any other band we mention including Metallica and Led Zeppelin and if I wasn't so lazy I'd look up all the other bands you hate also. Just Stop.

Edit: Just realized Quinarvy basically posted exactly what I wanted to say.

But with less words :D

where do i say i love radiohead in my above statement?

FYI Radiohead are NOT my favorite Band.

You don't. You still rag on Led Zep and Metallica needlessly.

We do not care.

Yes.

neckermanncj

07-07-2009, 02:10 AM

We do not care.

fine. it seemed like you did because you people made a big deal about it.

/end of conversation, this is pointless

ArmsAreLoud

07-07-2009, 02:16 AM

Stairway is a pathetic abomination and blot on the face of hard rock, but other than that Zep's pretty good. Not as good as them blasted critics make them out to be, but pretty good.

Soror_YZBL

07-07-2009, 10:21 AM

I'm not making this as a joke. I really am curious as to why a majority of people in this forum don't like them and some people hate them. Is it because you don't think they deserve their popularity or the title "Best band ever" or is it just because you've heard Stairway too many times.

I wanna know. Why do YOU hate them?

Personally, I'm just tired of hearing about them. Their songs aren't that memorable (aside from the "hits"), and you get these rabid knuckledraggers who think that they're the end all be all of music. I don't hear it, I hear led zeppelin, I hear about 20 other bands they ripped off, and about 20 bands that ripped them off (and do it better).

The sad thing is that I'm a fan of Plant's post-zep work. I love the album he put out with alison kraus, and I danced the honeydrippers at my wedding. I even like his solo work. Zep though... not enough meat. Their songs really can't stand up to a lot of other bands from that time period.

macamatic

07-07-2009, 10:42 AM

bands like Slipknot, Linkin Park etc.
Um, what?

I don't hate Led Zeppelin. I don't really hate any artists. There are certainly millions of them that I have no interest in, but I wouldn't say I hate any music (except maybe modern cookie-cutter hip-hop). However, the fans really, really annoy me. I mean, Tool fanboys call MJK god and spend hours daily deciphering meanings that don't exist, but at least they acknowledge the existence of other music. Led Zeppelin fanboys simply refuse to admit that anything a fraction as good as LZ's music has ever been or will ever be created. As others have said, they see Zep as the end-all be-all of music. It gets very old very fast and makes me want to listen to them even less.

cherokeesam

07-07-2009, 10:50 AM

Personally, I'm just tired of hearing about them. Their songs aren't that memorable (aside from the "hits"), and you get these rabid knuckledraggers who think that they're the end all be all of music. I don't hear it, I hear led zeppelin, I hear about 20 other bands they ripped off, and about 20 bands that ripped them off (and do it better).

The sad thing is that I'm a fan of Plant's post-zep work. I love the album he put out with alison kraus, and I danced the honeydrippers at my wedding. I even like his solo work. Zep though... not enough meat. Their songs really can't stand up to a lot of other bands from that time period.

I'm looking around the entire decade of the 70s or these other bands that Zeppelin can't stand up to/ have more meat/ bands they ripped off/ bands that ripped them off but did it better....

....and I really can't find 'em. Floyd? Entirely different genre. Eagles? Entirely different genre. The Who? Entirely different genre.

Who are these other better 70s rock bands of which you speak....???

Zeppelin owned the 70s. That decade still belongs to them. Always will. For that decade, there was nobody better than Page, Plant, Bonham or Jonesy. I agree that the "knuckledraggers" that insist Zeppelin was the greatest thing that ever walked are completely ignoring the 60s and the 80s-00s, but seriously, for the 70s? There's no comparison --- Zeppelin was the best.

cherokeesam

07-07-2009, 10:55 AM

Stairway is a pathetic abomination and blot on the face of hard rock, but other than that Zep's pretty good. Not as good as them blasted critics make them out to be, but pretty good.

There's often personal reasons for critics to blast hugely popular bands. Reasons that have absolutely *nothing* to do with the band's actual musical merit.

In the case of Zep, there was ALWAYS an adversarial relationship between the band and the critics, and it was ALWAYS on a personal level. Zeppelin hated Christgau and Marsh and all the other prominent writers for Rolling Stone and other mags, and they fought them tooth and nail. In return, they always got blasted in the press. That generally led to Zeppelin swearing off interviews and media altogether, which made even *more* critics antagonistic towards them.

The Eagles followed *exactly* the same pattern. In the 70s, if you pissed off Rolling Stone, then ALL the critics would rip you apart. It was the law of the land.

But the music endured, and the fans completely ignored the lies that RS wrote about Zeppelin (and The Eagles and others, for that matter).

Lolicat

07-07-2009, 10:58 AM

What I don't understand is how classic rawk fanboys don't accept the fact that some people just don't like their favourite bands. I mean, I get that some people like wanky solos and the 70s production, but I don't like it personally, and I don't like most Zepp songs, I'm rather tired of having to defend that, you know?

Soror_YZBL

07-07-2009, 10:59 AM

I'm looking around the entire decade of the 70s or these other bands that Zeppelin can't stand up to/ have more meat/ bands they ripped off/ bands that ripped them off but did it better.... Who are these other better 70s rock bands of which you speak....???

Rainbow, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Rush, Roxy Music, KISS, Magma, Aphrodite's Child, the Who, Foghat, T-Rex, Ruphus, Heart, AC/DC, Styx, New York Dolls, the list of glam-influenced, prog-tinged bluesy hard rock bands is quite long.

Zeppelin owned the 70s. That decade still belongs to them. Always will. For that decade, there was nobody better than Page, Plant, Bonham or Jonesy. I agree that the "knuckledraggers" that insist Zeppelin was the greatest thing that ever walked are completely ignoring the 60s and the 80s-00s, but seriously, for the 70s? There's no comparison --- Zeppelin was the best.

Were you even alive in the 70's? :) KISS owned the 70's. Them and the Bee Gees.

Julio_Strikes_Back

07-07-2009, 10:59 AM

Nobody really hates Led Zeppelin. It's just that there are way better bands that don't even get close to the recognition Zeppelin undeservedly get.

Lolicat

07-07-2009, 11:00 AM

Nobody really hates Led Zeppelin. It's just that there are way better bands that don't even get close to the recognition Zeppelin undeservedly get.

Nobody really hates any band, rather they hate the hype and the fans.

Teh_Jakester

07-07-2009, 11:07 AM

The Who? Entirely different genre.

Um, no.

Soror_YZBL

07-07-2009, 11:12 AM

Um, no.

yeah, I'm agreeing with you. They weren't as bluesy, but they were big and bombastic in the 70's, just like zep. Basically, if the members of the who would have been ripping off american blues artists, they would have sounded pretty much the same.

Bub

07-07-2009, 11:12 AM

Here comes the overrated card again. Nobody ever has any other reason.

cherokeesam

07-07-2009, 11:12 AM

Um, no.

Yes, they were.
Zeppelin was hard rock territory, and were the forerunners of metal, in sound and theme.

The Who, on the other hand, were raw and anarchic, and were the forerunners of punk, in sound and theme.

They were both hard-rocking bands, but headed in two entirely different directions musically. Zep are the godfathers of metal, while The Who are the godfathers of punk.

Fizzeler

07-07-2009, 11:13 AM

Magma

When you said other bands Magma was oddly enough the first to come to mind :D

cherokeesam

07-07-2009, 11:28 AM

Rainbow, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Rush, Roxy Music, KISS, Magma, Aphrodite's Child, the Who, Foghat, T-Rex, Ruphus, Heart, AC/DC, Styx, New York Dolls, the list of glam-influenced, prog-tinged bluesy hard rock bands is quite long.

Were you even alive in the 70's? :) KISS owned the 70's. Them and the Bee Gees.

Yes, I grew up in the 70s. With ALL those bands. (I'm 43 years old, born in '66.)

*Deep Purple/Rainbow --- yes, DP was a fantastic band, and they proved influential to a lot of 80s hair bands among others. But they were practically invisible on commercial radio back then, except for "Smoke on the Water."

*Heart -- *shamelessly* ripped off Zeppelin, often with Page and Plant's blessing. They were just the female version of LZ. Literally.

*T Rex, New York Dolls, etc --- Zeppelin was a lot of things, but glam was not one of them. Entirely different genre.

*The Who --- again, different genre --- The Who created what would become the punk rock sound, while Zeppelin was in an entirely different musical territory.

*AC/DC -- Were huge in Oz in the 70s, but they didn't breakthrough in the US and UK until Brian Johnson took over in the 80s. AC/DC dominated the 80s, not the 70s.

*Styx, Rush --- again, different genre. Yes, Yes (ha) and Styx and Rush and others dominated 70s prog, but that wasn't Zeppelin's scene, either.

*Foghat --- whut? They were tiny. Almost a one-hit wonder ("Fool for the City" is the only other song that kept them from that.)

*Magma, Aphrodite's Child, Ruphus --- I have never heard of those bands until today. Who are they....?

*KISS --- yes, KISS was huge in the 70s, largely due to fantastic self-marketing. But they were nowhere near Zeppelin's league in terms of album and ticket sales.

There were a lot of big bands in the 70s, all headed in various directions --- prog, punk, country rock, glam, funk, disco, early metal.

But Zeppelin dominated them *all* in sales in that decade. Without exception. They were to the 1970s what The Beatles were to the 1960s. You can love 'em or hate 'em, but anyone who underestimates their total impact on the 70s either was still in the womb then or living under a rock during that decade.

Teh_Jakester

07-07-2009, 11:30 AM

Zep are the godfathers of metal, while The Who are the godfathers of punk.

They may have influenced those genres, but, really, they're both Hard Rock bands. I see no way that The Who are remotely Punk-like.
Black Sabbath were influenced by Blues artists, does that make those Blues artists not Blues, because they influenced a Metal band?
Even though they both have different styles, Led Zeppelin and The Who are both Hard Rock, like a bunch of other bands I could mention: Guns N' Roses, Van Halen, AC/DC, Deep Purple, etc. Tonnes of Metal bands are influenced by these bands, but they're still in the same genre as Grand Funk Railroad, Scorpions, Tesla and Aerosmith.

Fizzeler

07-07-2009, 11:38 AM

*Magma, Aphrodite's Child, Ruphus --- I have never heard of those bands until today. Who are they....?

Magma (http://www.last.fm/music/Magma)
Aphrodite's Child (http://www.last.fm/music/Aphrodite%27s+Child)
Ruphus (http://www.last.fm/music/Ruphus)

All very important Prog. bands outside of Britain and the US

cherokeesam

07-07-2009, 11:38 AM

They may have influenced those genres, but, really, they're both Hard Rock bands. I see no way that The Who are remotely Punk-like.

Really? Even Joe Strummer called The Who the godfathers of punk. The entire lyric of "Who Are You" stems from a famous meeting in a London pub between a worshipful Steve Jones (you know, Sex Pistols....???) and Pete Townshend in which Jones credited Pete with inventing punk rock back in the 60s.

Teh_Jakester

07-07-2009, 11:44 AM

Really? Even Joe Strummer called The Who the godfathers of punk. The entire lyric of "Who Are You" stems from a famous meeting in a London pub between a worshipful Steve Jones (you know, Sex Pistols....???) and Pete Townshend in which Jones credited Pete with inventing punk rock back in the 60s.

I think that people just got the idea for Punk from The Who. Most of their songs aren't really Punk-like, unless I'm missing something.

warthogdb

07-07-2009, 11:51 AM

But Zeppelin dominated them *all* in sales in that decade. Without exception. They were to the 1970s what The Beatles were to the 1960s. You can love 'em or hate 'em, but anyone who underestimates their total impact on the 70s either was still in the womb then or living under a rock during that decade.

I think this is the reason that so many people hate them. Because so many people love them. They were so huge that they came to symbolize all of the bloated rock excess of the 70s. That coupled with the same 5 or 6 six songs being played a quadrillion times a day on the radio every day for the last 30 years makes them perfectly hate-able in my opinion.

Like Loli said, to get to the point where you hate something, you either have to be exposed to it so frequently that you can't stand to hear it anymore or you have to endure people telling you constantly how great it is.

cherokeesam

07-07-2009, 11:55 AM

I think that people just got the idea for Punk from The Who. Most of their songs aren't really Punk-like, unless I'm missing something.

They gradually steered away from that sound in the 70s and beyond, but just about any 60s Who is about as pure punk as it gets --- "My Generation" being obvious. But "I Can't Explain," "Substitute" and "The Kids Are Alright" have that sound as well.

The Kinks were pretty much doing the same thing at the same time, though. And Pete readily acknowledges that a lot of the time he was copying from *them* back in the 60s; I'm surprised punk's pioneers rarely credit The Kinks as much as they do The Who.

Soror_YZBL

07-07-2009, 01:30 PM

Yes, I grew up in the 70s. With ALL those bands. (I'm 43 years old, born in '66.)

Old people. :) I snipped the things that I agree with, yet miss the point that those bands are *better* than zep. :)

*T Rex, New York Dolls, etc --- Zeppelin was a lot of things, but glam was not one of them. Entirely different genre.

Yes, Plant's androgynous wailing wasn't glam at all. Not even remotely in the least.

*The Who --- again, different genre --- The Who created what would become the punk rock sound, while Zeppelin was in an entirely different musical territory.

I will agree that the who opened the door for punk in the 60's, but the 70's were when they were doing Tommy and Quadrophenia.

*AC/DC -- Were huge in Oz in the 70s, but they didn't breakthrough in the US and UK until Brian Johnson took over in the 80s. AC/DC dominated the 80s, not the 70s.

I dunno where you grew up, but in my podunk hometown we were listening to Highway to Hell like it was the best thing ever on the radio back in 79, and TNT even before. AC/DC defined my childhood, and I'm old too.

*Styx, Rush --- again, different genre. Yes, Yes (ha) and Styx and Rush and others dominated 70s prog, but that wasn't Zeppelin's scene, either.

I dunno, but it sorta was. Not saying they were a straight up prog-rock band, but between the odd arrangements of songs like Stairway and Kashmir and their weird lyrics (not to mention Bonham's drumming), they could have easily been Styx, if they'd have just dropped the blues.

*Magma, Aphrodite's Child, Ruphus --- I have never heard of those bands until today. Who are they....?

Bands you should have listened to.

*KISS --- yes, KISS was huge in the 70s, largely due to fantastic self-marketing. But they were nowhere near Zeppelin's league in terms of album and ticket sales.

Still? Last I checked, Kiss was selling a lot more concert tickets than zeppelin, and have for at least 30 years.

But Zeppelin dominated them *all* in sales in that decade. Without exception. They were to the 1970s what The Beatles were to the 1960s. You can love 'em or hate 'em, but anyone who underestimates their total impact on the 70s either was still in the womb then or living under a rock during that decade.

ABBA.

cherokeesam

07-07-2009, 01:48 PM

Yes, Plant's androgynous wailing wasn't glam at all. Not even remotely in the least.

Depends on how you define glam. I generally look at two things as hallmarks of glam: the look (Plant & Co. didn't dress up in spandex spacesuits, have blue hair or wear makeup, last time I checked) and the sound (generally speaking, light good-timin' rock and roll). Plant *could* fit into that sound somewhat, but in general, Zep took themselves wayyyyy too seriously to be considered glam.

I dunno where you grew up, but in my podunk hometown we were listening to Highway to Hell like it was the best thing ever on the radio back in 79, and TNT even before. AC/DC defined my childhood, and I'm old too.

No doubt the US and UK had already been exposed favorably to Bon, but if you look back at the discography, there's no question that Brian-era sold (sells) a LOT more records. The best Bon managed was Highway to Hell, at 7x platinum, in 79. By comparison, Brian's debut has sold 22x platinum. Back in Black was a "reboot" for the trufans, but it was the *introduction* to the band for a lot more people, and led to them not only falling in love with Brian Johnson, but also digging back into the history and discovering Bon Scott for the first time, too.

Still? Last I checked, Kiss was selling a lot more concert tickets than zeppelin, and have for at least 30 years.

Yeah, that's why I said 70s. KISS continues on into the present, and still sell out concerts. Zep hasn't had a concert since 1980.

Rockbandfan23467

07-07-2009, 03:31 PM

Yeah, that's why I said 70s. KISS continues on into the present, and still sell out concerts. Zep hasn't had a concert since 1980.

Wrong. They have reunited several times. Also, Back in Black is, Internationally, the second most successful album ever, so ac/dc is defanitly more of an early 80's band for most people.

ImHotterThanYou

07-07-2009, 03:56 PM

Wrong. They have reunited several times.
There has only been one real reunited concert.

Teh_Jakester

07-07-2009, 04:04 PM

Also, Back in Black is, Internationally, the second most successful album ever, so ac/dc is defanitly more of an early 80's band for most people.

Yuck. Humans have terrible taste in music.

Lolicat

07-07-2009, 04:12 PM

Yuck. Humans have terrible taste in music.

Most humans are fratboy scum, is what I'm garnering.

ImHotterThanYou

07-07-2009, 04:20 PM

Yuck. Humans have terrible taste in music.

You shook me all night long.

Teh_Jakester

07-07-2009, 04:27 PM

You shook me all night long.

Brian Johnson is one of the worst vocalists I've ever heard; he was terrible on Back in Black, and that was his best vocal-work. AC/DC should have disbanded after Bon's death.

Lolicat

07-07-2009, 04:29 PM

Brian Johnson is one of the worst vocalists I've ever heard; he was terrible on Back in Black, and that was his best vocal-work. AC/DC should have disbanded after Bon's death.

Yes. Whereas Bon sounded dangerous and sexy, Brian just sounds dangerous and lechy.

ImHotterThanYou

07-07-2009, 04:31 PM

Brian Johnson is one of the worst vocalists I've ever heard; he was terrible on Back in Black, and that was his best vocal-work. AC/DC should have disbanded after Bon's death.

Possibly but I dont think it would have helped their legacy and Angus/Malcolm pretty much write all the songs.

Rockbandfan23467

07-07-2009, 04:32 PM

Possibly but I dont think it would have helped their legacy and Angus/Malcolm pretty much write all the songs.

Besides, the Young brothers ARE AC/DC.

Teh_Jakester

07-07-2009, 04:33 PM

Possibly but I dont think it would have helped their legacy and Angus/Malcolm pretty much write all the songs.

Yes, but a band is nothing if one of the parts is horrendous. The songwriting on Back in Black was fine, but the vocals just killed it.

Julio_Strikes_Back

07-07-2009, 06:24 PM

Yeah, that's why I said 70s. KISS continues on into the present, and still sell out concerts. Zep hasn't had a concert since 1980.

They just had a concert two years ago. And it sold out in under a minute with several million applicants.

cherokeesam

07-07-2009, 06:34 PM

They just had a concert two years ago. And it sold out in under a minute with several million applicants.

One-offs....ehhh. Let's rephrase: Zeppelin hasn't reunited for a *tour or album* since 1980.

40FootWolf

07-07-2009, 06:39 PM

I haven't seen a lot of LZ hate on these boards. I'd be kind of surprised if there was, seeing as how they're kind of, you know...amazing.

Mystlyfe77

07-07-2009, 06:48 PM

*Styx, Rush --- again, different genre. Yes, Yes (ha) and Styx and Rush and others dominated 70s prog, but that wasn't Zeppelin's scene, either.

I'm going to ignore the rather (dramatically) strict definition of Zep's genre/musical style, but even under your definition, there's no way that Rush's debut album doesn't sound like Zeppelin. Rush is pure hard rock, with very little prog to it. The prog started to show on Fly By Night and really took hold with Caress of Steel and 2112. Their self-titled really is a Zeppelin knock-off album.

There has only been one real reunited concert.

Just because the concerts in 1985 and 1988 were bad and the 1995 set was short doesn't mean they weren't reunion concerts.

DrewLee865

07-07-2009, 06:52 PM

I've always though Black Sabbath, The Doors, and Deep Purple were much better than Led Zeppelin.

TheCrimsonSaint

07-07-2009, 07:09 PM

Led Zeppelin: The worst band to ever to gain such widespread love.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. They're ****ing BORING.

ImHotterThanYou

07-07-2009, 07:14 PM

Just because the concerts in 1985 and 1988 were bad and the 1995 set was short doesn't mean they weren't reunion concerts.
All of the sets were short and not true concerts....

Lily_Mu

07-07-2009, 07:16 PM

Led sux. That is all.

ImHotterThanYou

07-07-2009, 07:16 PM

Yes, but a band is nothing if one of the parts is horrendous. The songwriting on Back in Black was fine, but the vocals just killed it.Yeah but still many people will say thats there best album and the vocal switch didnt really hurt the band at all. If you look from a success perspective than it sort of helped them out in a way.

Meatwad555

07-07-2009, 07:16 PM

i disagree. I think you guys are doing a finer job of ruining this forum by constantly berating and attacking anyone who doesn't buy into the HOR musical bias that goes on in here.

Exactly.

DrewLee865

07-07-2009, 07:18 PM

Led Zeppelin is bland and there's way better classic rock bands out there. Oh and Abnormality > LZ.

Teh_Jakester

07-07-2009, 07:20 PM

Yeah but still many people will say thats there best album and the vocal switch didnt really hurt the band at all. If you look from a success perspective than it sort of helped them out in a way.

I never said it didn't help them monetarily. They struck it big monetarily. Quality-wise... ugh.

TheCrimsonSaint

07-07-2009, 07:22 PM

I never said it didn't help them monetarily. They struck it big monetarily. Quality-wise... ugh.

In this case, your trash is about 1000 other people's treasure. Seriously, for every person who dislikes Back In Black (myself included), there are about 1000 who claim it's AC/DC's best work. Though, in my opinion that's not saying much.

ImHotterThanYou

07-07-2009, 07:23 PM

Led Zeppelin is bland and there's way better classic rock bands out there. Oh and Abnormality > LZ.
I understand how you could feel that way if your not into soloing or high vocals.

Teh_Jakester

07-07-2009, 07:24 PM

In this case, your trash is about 1000 other people's treasure. Seriously, for every person who dislikes Back In Black (myself included), there are about 1000 who claim it's AC/DC's best work. Though, in my opinion that's not saying much.

I'm glad I'm in the minority, then.

DrewLee865

07-07-2009, 07:44 PM

I understand how you could feel that way if your not into soloing or high vocals.I listen to Iron Maiden and Mercyful Fate who both have high vocals.

TheCrimsonSaint

07-07-2009, 07:46 PM

I understand how you could feel that way if your not into soloing or high vocals.

If by "soloing" you mean uninspired guitar lines that are projected louder than the rest of the band and by "high vocals" you mean drunken attempts at emulating orgasms, then yeah, I'm not into either of those things.

gmarsh

07-07-2009, 08:39 PM

Idk why, I love Led Zeppelin though.

Squaretriangles

07-07-2009, 08:42 PM

If by "soloing" you mean uninspired guitar lines that are projected louder than the rest of the band and by "high vocals" you mean drunken attempts at emulating orgasms, then yeah, I'm not into either of those things.

Zing!!!

Yeah, at this point, I don't even know. I like Zep as much as the next guy, but Abnormality is really awesome. When the album finally comes out, I'll probably go with Abnormality. As of right now.... it's too close to call.

EDIT: Whoops, thought I was posting in "Zep vs. Abnormality. Carry on.

Rockbandfan23467

07-07-2009, 08:48 PM

Zeppelin must be one of those "cool to hate" things.

classicrockdude

07-07-2009, 09:00 PM

Zeppelin must be one of those "cool to hate" things.

Sadly, they are

Gowienczyk

07-07-2009, 09:02 PM

Sadly, they are

Don't forget it's "cool" to like them just for the sake of it, as well.

TheCrimsonSaint

07-07-2009, 09:02 PM

If you've never listened to any band before, are you more likely to say that you like or dislike Zep? My money is on like.

gmarsh

07-07-2009, 09:04 PM

Sadly, they are

Based on what I've seen on these forums, it's also "cool" to hate on Stairway, which makes me very very sad. :(

Gowienczyk

07-07-2009, 09:05 PM

It's also "cool" to love Stairway.

JukeBoxHero

07-07-2009, 09:05 PM

I don't waste my time hating bands, it's a pointless endeavor. They're certainly bands I dislike or indifferent but I'm not going to call out people for liking them or troll fans online.

Led Zeppelin isn't one of my favorite bands, but I do like them quite a lot. I love the rhythm section the most in the band, Plant has an alright voice, and Page got some nice riffage going on but the rhythm section has it going on.

John Paul Jones, while he does tend to double the guitar riff is a great bassist in my opinion. His rhythmic build up in Ramble On is pretty cool and has a great bass tone in all of their songs. John Bonham I like for his grooving style alone, I'm not a fan of his soloing, but I do really enjoy the groove he builds with John Paul Jones.

sozozoso

07-07-2009, 09:51 PM

A lot of people grew up on Zeppelin. I have many good memories of them growing up and that is why l love them. I also love their musicianship and the heart they put into playing.

TheCrimsonSaint

07-07-2009, 09:52 PM

A lot of people grew up on Zeppelin. I have many good memories of them growing up and that is why l love them. I also love their musicianship and the heart they put into playing.

Heart? Dude, those guys didn't use their hearts. They used their penises.

CommonCriminal

07-07-2009, 10:10 PM

It's also "cool" to love Stairway.

Not on these forums.

I can honestly say I was one of the people that used to say LZ sucks on these forums. Then...I actually listened to Led Zeppelin through In Through the Out Door and realized, "LZ actually is awesome!". I realized I hated them only because they were popular, and it felt right to not like them. I was actually missing out. I'm not saying that everyone doesn't like them because it's the "different" or "cool" thing to do, but I know a lot of people do.

ImHotterThanYou

07-07-2009, 10:29 PM

ImHotterThanYou

07-07-2009, 10:31 PM

Heart? Dude, those guys didn't use their hearts. They used their penises.

They invented cock rock thats why.

Squaretriangles

07-07-2009, 10:32 PM

They invented cock rock thats why.

And that was SUCH an important contribution to music. :rolleyes:

ImHotterThanYou

07-07-2009, 10:32 PM

I listen to Iron Maiden and Mercyful Fate who both have high vocals.Those are legit metal bands if your big fans of them you may not like the style of zep.

ImHotterThanYou

07-07-2009, 10:32 PM

And that's SUCH an important contribution to music. :rolleyes:

I never said it wasnt.

Squaretriangles

07-07-2009, 10:34 PM

I never said it wasnt.

I never said that you said it wasn't.

ImHotterThanYou

07-07-2009, 10:36 PM

I never said that you said it wasn't.

Lol kk.

cherokeesam

07-07-2009, 11:24 PM

If by "soloing" you mean uninspired guitar lines that are projected louder than the rest of the band and by "high vocals" you mean drunken attempts at emulating orgasms, then yeah, I'm not into either of those things.

Uh....can you name me any guitar solo that *isn't* projected louder than the rest of the band.....???? That's pretty much the whole point of a solo.

And lol at "uninspired guitar lines" when referring to Jimmy. Puckin'. Page. Dude....seriously. What are you smoking? Do you say the same shiznit about Hendrix or Clapton or Blackmore or Townshend? Page invented solos that even the best guitarists today can't emulate, no matter how hard they try. Inspiration....??? Who's the guy who invented bowing a guitar....?? Oh yeah....Jimmy Page. Who's the guy who invented a double-neck guitar....??? Oh yeah....Jimmy Page.

Julio_Strikes_Back

07-07-2009, 11:25 PM

I thought the guy from Genesis was using a doubleneck before Page.

Rockbandfan23467

07-07-2009, 11:26 PM

They invented cock rock thats why.

No, that's AC/DC.

Buffdog18

07-07-2009, 11:30 PM

I don't hate them, just never really cared for older bands like that.

1.Don't like the sound of the instruments

2.Don't like the singers voice

TheCrimsonSaint

07-07-2009, 11:32 PM

Uh....can you name me any guitar solo that *isn't* projected louder than the rest of the band.....???? That's pretty much the whole point of a solo.

And lol at "uninspired guitar lines" when referring to Jimmy. Puckin'. Page. Dude....seriously. What are you smoking? Do you say the same shiznit about Hendrix or Clapton or Blackmore or Townshend? Page invented solos that even the best guitarists today can't emulate, no matter how hard they try. Inspiration....??? Who's the guy who invented bowing a guitar....?? Oh yeah....Jimmy Page. Who's the guy who invented a double-neck guitar....??? Oh yeah....Jimmy Page.

I ain't smokin' a thing; Jimmy Page bores me to death.

cherokeesam

07-07-2009, 11:33 PM

I thought the guy from Genesis was using a doubleneck before Page.

Mike Rutherford didn't start using a doubleneck until the late 70s, long after Page had already popularized it. The EDS had been around in a hollow-body design since the 50s for acoustic guitarists, but Page was the first one to customize a hardbody. And he did it for (you guessed it) "Stairway," in 1971, for the sole purpose of not having to switch from a 12-string to a 6-string several times during the song. Once Gibson saw that, they mass-marketed the EDS 1275, and pretty much everybody was playing one by the end of the decade.

Alright_Computer

07-07-2009, 11:35 PM

Who's the guy who invented bowing a guitar....?? Oh yeah....Jimmy Page.

Not to be nitpicky, but Eddie Phillips was the originator of the bowed guitar, not Jimmy Page. You could say Page popularized it, but he wasn't the inventor of the technique.

Rockbandfan23467

07-07-2009, 11:37 PM

Not to be nitpicky, but Eddie Phillips was the originator of the bowed guitar, not Jimmy Page. You could say Page popularized it, but he wasn't the inventor of the technique.

Making it popular is just as important as inventing it in some cases.

TheCrimsonSaint

07-07-2009, 11:37 PM

Making it popular is just as important as inventing it in some cases.

If it hadn't been invented there'd have been no way to popularize it.

cherokeesam

07-07-2009, 11:38 PM

No, that's AC/DC.

No, Zep had invented cock rock long before AC/DC hit the scene. Remember, Zep dates from '69; AC/DC didn't form until 4 years later, when Zep was already a household name.

And yeah, nobody --- but *nobody* --- does cock rock better than Zeppelin. Maybe not JPJ so much, but Plant and Page and Bonzo were the most legendary groupie-gropers in rock history. Those guys made pornstars look like amateur hour.

Rockbandfan23467

07-07-2009, 11:41 PM

No, Zep had invented cock rock long before AC/DC hit the scene. Remember, Zep dates from '69; AC/DC didn't form until 4 years later, when Zep was already a household name.

And yeah, nobody --- but *nobody* --- does cock rock better than Zeppelin. Maybe not JPJ so much, but Plant and Page and Bonzo were the most legendary groupie-gropers in rock history. Those guys made pornstars look like amateur hour.

Cock Rock is music that is so bad it's good and blatantly sexual, right? That's the definition of AC/DC. But mabye I'm just confused. I mean, I am the HoR Villiage Idiot. :)

cherokeesam

07-07-2009, 11:45 PM

Not to be nitpicky, but Eddie Phillips was the originator of the bowed guitar, not Jimmy Page. You could say Page popularized it, but he wasn't the inventor of the technique.

Yeah, and we all know that Page "stole" it from Eddie, and that Zep "stole" everything they ever did (that's all h8r exaggeration, but save that argument for another day). The simple fact was that Eddie was literally playing the guitar like a violin, trying to get a melody out of it for The Creation....it was all rather ****. Page saw it and took the idea to another level on "Dazed and Confused" by playing it up close to the speakers to get the maximum noise and distortion and feedback.

Page's infamous bow sounded *nothing* like the weak experiments The Creation had tried.

TheCrimsonSaint

07-07-2009, 11:47 PM

If Zep really stole their material, they're terrible thieves.

cherokeesam

07-07-2009, 11:49 PM

If Zep really stole their material, they're terrible thieves.

"Stairway" is the most infamous case in point.
But most of what Zep has been accused of "stealing" was blues songs from the black man, and Zep has unfairly been singled out for a practice that was COMPLETELY the norm in the US and the UK. You can't blast Zep for "stealing" blues songs when everybody from Elvis to The Beatles and The Who and The Stones and Cream (and everybody else) was doing the same exact thing in the 50s and 60s.

Rockbandfan23467

07-07-2009, 11:49 PM

If Zep really stole their material, they're terrible thieves.

Most of their material is original.

Oscar-Rio

07-07-2009, 11:55 PM

Most of their material is original.

but, a lot of their more memorable and famous tracks are not.

Rockbandfan23467

07-07-2009, 11:57 PM

but, a lot of their more memorable and famous tracks are not.

Mostly Whole Lotta Love and Dazed & Confused.

Mystlyfe77

07-07-2009, 11:58 PM

Mostly Whole Lotta Love and Dazed & Confused.

Or the intro to Stairway to Heaven.

TheCrimsonSaint

07-07-2009, 11:59 PM

Mostly Whole Lotta Love and Dazed & Confused.

Both are terrible. Zep tracks I can stand:

Babe I'm Gonna Leave You (actually freakin' awesome, I wish all Zep tracks were that good)

Stairway to Heaven

Over the Hills and Far Away

Achilles' Last Stand

Alright_Computer

07-08-2009, 12:00 AM

Mostly Whole Lotta Love and Dazed & Confused.

Don't forget the most notable instance, Stairway to Heaven's opening.

Oscar-Rio

07-08-2009, 12:01 AM

Mostly Whole Lotta Love and Dazed & Confused.

and stairway and babe im gonna leave you and in my time of dying and moby dick....

Rockbandfan23467

07-08-2009, 12:01 AM

Both are terrible. Zep tracks I can stand:

Babe I'm Gonna Leave You (actually freakin' awesome, I wish all Zep tracks were that good)

Stairway to Heaven

Over the Hills and Far Away

Achilles' Last Stand

We were talking about which Zeppelin songs were stolen, not good. All of those, except Stairway to Heaven, are 100% original. But who else can claim that song but Led Zeppelin?

BTW, do you still like the John's as a rythem section?

EDIT: Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You was a cover.

ImHotterThanYou

07-08-2009, 12:03 AM

Mostly Whole Lotta Love and Dazed & Confused.
The music of dazed and confused and the lyrics of whole lotta love. The stairway intro is not a legit rip.

Oscar-Rio

07-08-2009, 12:03 AM

All of those, except Stairway to Heaven, are 100% original.

no, you're wrong.

Rockbandfan23467

07-08-2009, 12:03 AM

and stairway and babe im gonna leave you and in my time of dying and moby dick....
Babe I'm Gonna Leave You was credited, Moby Dick is just a Drum solo.

cherokeesam

07-08-2009, 12:04 AM

We were talking about which Zeppelin songs were stolen, not good. All of those, except Stairway to Heaven, are 100% original. But who else can claim that song but Led Zeppelin?

BTW, do you still like the John's as a rythem section?

"Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" was an old folk song from the 50s. Zep's was a cover.

ImHotterThanYou

07-08-2009, 12:04 AM

no, you're wrong.
Stairway to heaven isnt ripped, it's mainly the stuff on the debut.

TheCrimsonSaint

07-08-2009, 12:05 AM

We were talking about which Zeppelin songs were stolen, not good. All of those, except Stairway to Heaven, are 100% original. But who else can claim that song but Led Zeppelin?

BTW, do you still like the John's as a rythem section?

He was talented but he was so damned sloppy live that I can't defend him on anything. JPJ is pretty good.

ImHotterThanYou

07-08-2009, 12:05 AM

Babe I'm Gonna Leave You was credited, Moby Dick is just a Drum solo.
It comes with a pretty nice riff also.

cherokeesam

07-08-2009, 12:07 AM

He was talented but he was so damned sloppy live that I can't defend him on anything. JPJ is pretty good.

Yeah....sloppy drunk.

But you could say the same thing about Keef (my idol, my avatar). Both Bonzo and Moonie were often in various altered states of consciousness when they played live, but NOBODY could deny their talent when they played sober.

Oscar-Rio

07-08-2009, 12:08 AM

Babe I'm Gonna Leave You was credited

ya, after legal action was taken. I'm sure they never would have credited her with it otherwise.

ImHotterThanYou

07-08-2009, 12:09 AM

ya, after legal action was taken. I'm sure they never would have credited her with it otherwise.Yes

Oscar-Rio

07-08-2009, 12:09 AM

Stairway to heaven isnt ripped, it's mainly the stuff on the debut.

the entire intro to stairway is a rip off. i don't know what music you've been listening to

Rockbandfan23467

07-08-2009, 12:11 AM

ya, after legal action was taken. I'm sure they never would have credited her with it otherwise.

Page didn't know she wrote it.

TheCrimsonSaint

07-08-2009, 12:11 AM

OMG Led Zeppelin isn't good enough to warrant this much discussion...

ImHotterThanYou

07-08-2009, 12:12 AM

the entire intro to stairway is a rip off. i don't know what music you've been listening toNope if they were to take Zeppelin to court for it they would lose. By the law of copyright it would NOT be considered a rip off.

Alright_Computer

07-08-2009, 12:17 AM

Nope if they were to take Zeppelin to court for it they would lose. By the law of copyright it would NOT be considered a rip off.

Cool, I'll record a song featuring the Stairway to Heaven/Taurus riff then and I'll see how long it takes for me to get sued.

ImHotterThanYou

07-08-2009, 12:20 AM

Cool, I'll record a song featuring the Stairway to Heaven/Taurus riff then and I'll see how long it takes for me to get sued.
Lol open your ears and listen to these both back to back.

Taurus First (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogTFdlbup24)

Now LZ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9TGj2jrJk8)

They have the same feeling but not at all the same riff or notes..

Alright_Computer

07-08-2009, 12:26 AM

Lol open your ears and listen to these both back to back.

Taurus First (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9TGj2jrJk8)

Now LZ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9TGj2jrJk8)

So changing one or two notes makes it not a ripoff? I'll go change a couple notes in each one of the songs in Sgt. Peppers and release it as a new album, I wonder how long it is until I get hit with a lawsuit.

ImHotterThanYou

07-08-2009, 12:28 AM

So changing one or two notes makes it not a ripoff? I'll go change a couple notes in each one of the songs in Sgt. Peppers and release it as a new album, I wonder how long it is until I get hit with a lawsuit.Well that would take alot more changing because sgt pepper has lyrics which are copyrighted. Plus those intros have no similiar riffs or patterns..

Alright_Computer

07-08-2009, 12:30 AM

Well that would take alot more changing because sgt pepper has lyrics which are copyrighted. Plus those intros have no similiar riffs or patterns..

If you don't hear the similarity between the two riffs, then I'm sorry that you can't hear what's right in front of you.

ImHotterThanYou

07-08-2009, 12:31 AM

If you don't hear the similarity between the two riffs, then I'm sorry that you can't hear what's right in front of you.Its still would not be considered a rip by law, the only similiarity is the feeling not the notes being played.

Rockbandfan23467

07-08-2009, 12:33 AM

So changing one or two notes makes it not a ripoff? I'll go change a couple notes in each one of the songs in Sgt. Peppers and release it as a new album, I wonder how long it is until I get hit with a lawsuit.

When I read that sentance, I immediatly thought of Under Pressure/Ice Ice Baby.

Gowienczyk

07-08-2009, 12:35 AM

I immediatly thought of Under Pressure/Ice Ice Baby.

Sampling =/= Imitation

ImHotterThanYou

07-08-2009, 12:36 AM

Sampling =/= ImitationWasnt it used without permission?

Alright_Computer

07-08-2009, 12:38 AM

Its still would not be considered a rip by law, the only similiarity is the feeling not the notes being played.

Changing one or two notes but keeping the same general motif/progression of the song is still a ripoff by law. Just look at the example Rockbandfan mentioned, Under Pressure/Ice Ice Baby. Changing one note in the rhythm line of "Under Pressure" didn't prevent Vanilla Ice from getting his ass sued off in court by Queen, and losing, I might add.

It's painfully obvious that Stairway to Heaven was at least "inspired" by Taurus. The two bands toured together before Stairway was written and after Taurus was written. I'm not sure how you're missing what's right in front of you.

Gowienczyk

07-08-2009, 12:39 AM

Yeah, because every cover band or electronic/hip-hop musician who samples asks for permission to use one arrangement.

ImHotterThanYou

07-08-2009, 12:43 AM

Changing one or two notes but keeping the same general motif/progression of the song is still a ripoff by law. Just look at the example Rockbandfan mentioned, Under Pressure/Ice Ice Baby. Changing one note in the rhythm line of "Under Pressure" didn't prevent Vanilla Ice from getting his ass sued off in court by Queen, and losing, I might add.

It's painfully obvious that Stairway to Heaven was at least "inspired" by Taurus. The two bands toured together before Stairway was written and after Taurus was written. I'm not sure how you're missing what's right in front of you.
Yeah it was inspired but the opening of stairway was not a rip. They have the same feeling but the notes are not at all the same. Nowhere near to the extent of ice ice baby. This is pretty obvious if you just listen to it the riff patterns are not at all similiar its just the spacey feeling i guess. Im pretty sure Spirit already knows this considering Stairway is one of the biggest songs of all time they would definitely have sued If they seriously thought they could win yet they have never even considered opening a case on it.

Alright_Computer

07-08-2009, 12:46 AM

Yeah it was inspired but the opening of stairway was not a rip. They have the same feeling but the notes are not at all the same. Nowhere near to the extent of ice ice baby. This is pretty obvious if you just listen to it the riff patterns are not at all similiar its just the spacey feeling i guess. Im pretty sure Spirit already knows this considering Stairway is one of the biggest songs of all time they would definitely have sued If they seriously thought they could win yet they have never even considered opening a case on it.

Or maybe Spirit gave Zeppelin permission to use the riff? That's not that far-fetched, especially since the two bands toured together. Either way, Stairway to Heaven is definitely "inspired" by Taurus, if not completely ripped from it.

Mystlyfe77

07-08-2009, 12:47 AM

Its still would not be considered a rip by law, the only similiarity is the feeling not the notes being played.

In this post: People who don't understand copyright law but pretend they do.

SonicRocker15X

07-08-2009, 12:49 AM

I don't HATE them. I dislike their wound for my own musical taste reasons.

Mystlyfe77

07-08-2009, 12:50 AM

I don't HATE them. I dislike their wound for my own musical taste reasons.

ummm....what?

ImHotterThanYou

07-08-2009, 01:00 AM

In this post: People who don't understand copyright law but pretend they do.
I know it well enough.

ImHotterThanYou

07-08-2009, 01:33 AM

Or maybe Spirit gave Zeppelin permission to use the riff? That's not that far-fetched, especially since the two bands toured together. Either way, Stairway to Heaven is definitely "inspired" by Taurus, if not completely ripped from it.
I get what your saying heres an article I found on it: (http://www.listology.com/story/murky-origins-stairway-heaven)

A few days ago, I was listening to Spirit's self-titled debut album (1968), and I was shocked when the fourth song on the album, "Taurus," came on. About a minute or so in, a haunting guitar line emerges out of the ephereal opening: the guitar line of "Stairway to Heaven"! Since Spirit came out a good couple of years before IV, I fumbled around for the liner notes to the Spirit album, and found that Randy California, their guitarist, wrote that people ask him all the time why "Stairway to Heaven" uses the exact same guitar line as "Taurus," and California responds, without any trace of bitterness at all, that Led Zeppelin's first American tour was as the opening act for Spirit, and they often played Spirit songs as part of their set. Neither California nor I would consider it a "rip-off," but instead one of the most blatant liftings of another song by a band known for its reworkings of older songs. In that context it doesn't surprise me, but what does surprise me is that I had never heard of the "Taurus" connection before. Has anybody else heard about this? Anyone know the song "Taurus"? If you haven't, download it from itunes and let me know what you think.

Mystlyfe77

07-08-2009, 01:35 AM

I know it well enough.

:rolleyes:

Young Claybert

07-08-2009, 02:11 AM

First off, it has do with the hype that surrounds them. To use the previous comparison, if I listened to Abnormality and didn't care for them, it wouldn't really bother me, because I didn't have huge expectations going in. With Led Zeppelin, the aura that develops about them fosters almost unattainable expectations, particularly from people who weren't around when the band was big. The bigger they are, the harder they fall, so to speak.

Which leads to point two; Led Zeppelin is such a large influence on rock in general that it in retrospect doesn't seem that impactive. Their style has been absorbed into the mainstream and to many people younger than 30 nowadays it simply sounds like "any old rock band."

It's like with Citizen Kane in film. It broke new ground in cinemtography and its impact is visible in all modern film. As such, it is praised as one of the greatest movies in history. But I know plenty of people who don't like the film because it seems cliched by modern standards perhaps doesn't quite reach the level of praise it receives.

I can personally say I'm 18 and don't care much for Zeppelin. I kind of believe it's a generational thing to a point. I have plenty of friends how 'hate' them (using hate very loosely, but whatever) and a few that love them. I'm sure we'll all be the same way about the Foo Fighters or something in 20 years. :p

thedoorsdk

07-08-2009, 02:27 AM

No. 1 reason people say they 'hate' Led Zeppelin: Because they haven't really listened to them enough to form a real opinion.
This is generally true for most any band (particularly big classic rock bands like The Who, The Stones, etc.).

CommonCriminal

07-08-2009, 04:41 AM

LZ may have copied. At least they copied off respectable artists.

Green Day copied the Full Hose theme song! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_zHZwWD5n4)

Also, I think Green Day and Oasis take the cake for most rip-offs.

Coldplayer

07-08-2009, 05:51 AM

Led Zep is probably the only classic rock band I really like. So, no hate here at all.

LZ may have copied. At least they copied off respectable artists.

Green Day copied the Full Hose theme song! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_zHZwWD5n4)

Also, I think Green Day and Oasis take the cake for most rip-offs.

Although I kinda agree with you, I still have to quote one of the comments of this video:

Full House wern't even the first people to use this melody.. Janet Jackson used it in one of her songs in the late 80's called "Together Again" then it was even used on the first Sonic game on the level "bridge". So Full House wouldn't have the right to sue anyway since they didnt first use it.

cherokeesam

07-08-2009, 08:44 AM

Which leads to point two; Led Zeppelin is such a large influence on rock in general that it in retrospect doesn't seem that impactive. Their style has been absorbed into the mainstream and to many people younger than 30 nowadays it simply sounds like "any old rock band."

It's like with Citizen Kane in film. It broke new ground in cinemtography and its impact is visible in all modern film. As such, it is praised as one of the greatest movies in history. But I know plenty of people who don't like the film because it seems cliched by modern standards perhaps doesn't quite reach the level of praise it receives.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. The same argument can also apply to The Beatles, The Who, The Stones and other rock pioneers.

The simple fact is that so many bands since the 70s have either borrowed or shamelessly ripped from Zep over the years that a large chunk of classic rock sounds exactly the same. Zep were the pioneers and the ones who literally invented a lot of themes 'n' things that other classic rockers used over the years.

So anyone who wasn't alive during the 70s doesn't understand, just from listening to them, what the "big deal" is. Sounds the same as all other classic rock, right? Yeah. But Zep was the first. That's why you need to recognize, homies.

DrewLee865

07-08-2009, 11:24 AM

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. The same argument can also apply to The Beatles, The Who, The Stones and other rock pioneers.

The simple fact is that so many bands since the 70s have either borrowed or shamelessly ripped from Zep over the years that a large chunk of classic rock sounds exactly the same. Zep were the pioneers and the ones who literally invented a lot of themes 'n' things that other classic rockers used over the years.

So anyone who wasn't alive during the 70s doesn't understand, just from listening to them, what the "big deal" is. Sounds the same as all other classic rock, right? Yeah. But Zep was the first. That's why you need to recognize, homies.The Who were 4 years before Led Zeppelin.

Oscar-Rio

07-08-2009, 11:31 AM

The Who were 4 years before Led Zeppelin.

thanks for clearing that up:rolleyes:

ImHotterThanYou

07-08-2009, 12:23 PM

The Who were 4 years before Led Zeppelin.

Im sure he knows -.-

cherokeesam

07-08-2009, 06:59 PM

The Who were 4 years before Led Zeppelin.

The Who were 6 years before Zeppelin. But who's (pun pun pun) counting?

The point is that all the youngsters who ask why Zep was such a big deal since "Zep sounds like all other classic rock" need to realize that Zep is such a big deal because, by and large, they created the image, the tech, the sound, the motif that almost all other classic rock bands (and many modern bands, for that matter) copied.

They are The Ancestors, the fabled ones which our peoples still worship unto this day. Like The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, The Who, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath. These are the Foundations of the Church of Rock and Roll.

Led Zeppelin brought down the thunder, and gave the Hammer of the Gods to mortal man. So let it be written.

classicrockdude

07-08-2009, 07:01 PM

The Who were 6 years before Zeppelin. But who's (pun pun pun) counting?

The point is that all the youngsters who ask why Zep was such a big deal since "Zep sounds like all other classic rock" need to realize that Zep is such a big deal because, by and large, they created the image, the tech, the sound, the motif that almost all other classic rock bands (and many modern bands, for that matter) copied.

They are The Ancestors, the fabled ones which our peoples still worship unto this day. Like The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, The Who, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath. These are the Foundations of the Church of Rock and Roll.

Led Zeppelin brought down the thunder, and gave the Hammer of the Gods to mortal man. So let it be written.

Epic win in this post.

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