Help with some terms

[JerryBrudos]

So I've heard of the genres Pornogrind, Grindcore, Techogrind (or maybe it was Robogrind) and some other grind things. At first I thought someone was messing with me but I've heard the terms used several times since then. I'm a little afraid to go out and google them so I'm hoping someone could give me a few examples from each genre and explain what defines them as well as explaining what the term "grind" means in music.

[Mystlyfe77]

"Grind" refers to grindcore and the various sub-genres. Grindcore is, in crude terms, the combination of extreme metal (particularly Death Metal) and hardcore/crust punk. Songs are typically short (sometimes extremely so), fast, loud, raw, abrasive, and feature a variety of extreme vocal styles. Odd (and even multiple) time signatures are frequent.

Pornogrind and Goregrind are sub-genres of grindcore. Goregrind is essentially grindcore, but taken even further to the extremes (and typically featuring gore related lyrics). Vocals are typically very very deep (almost gurgling) and the riffing and guitar tones tend to be closer to metal than hardcore punk. Pornogrind is similar to goregrind, but has more vocal variety, usually slower/groovier, is designed for shock value, and has very obscene and sexual themed lyrics.

Grindcore bands: Magrudergrind, Napalm Death, Pig Destroyer
Goregrind bands: (early) Carcass, Regurgitate, Cattle Decapitation
Pornogrind bands: Anal C*nt, Cock and Ball Torture, GUT

[Onslaught_fei]

Grindcore was a musical genre that started in the UK and was propelled by Earache records blending extreme metal and extreme hardcore punk very shortly after the United States' Florida death metal scene hit the world.

[cherokeesam]

I still have no idea what you guys are talking about.

But I just wanted to say I'm surprised nobody coined an obvious mix 'n' match term here: "gorecore."

There's *gotta* be a sound like that somewhere.
Gorecore.
make it so

[Onslaught_fei]

I still have no idea what you guys are talking about.

But I just wanted to say I'm surprised nobody coined an obvious mix 'n' match term here: "gorecore."

There's *gotta* be a sound like that somewhere.
Gorecore.
make it so

Gorecore already exists. Its synonymous with Goregrind.

[afterstasis]

everyone skipped over robogrind, which i can only presume is just an alternate term for cybergrind, which is essentially what it sounds like...
inhumanly fast grindcore with drum-machines, synths/samplers, and so forth.

[neckermanncj]

"Grind" refers to grindcore and the various sub-genres. Grindcore is, in crude terms, the combination of extreme metal (particularly Death Metal) and hardcore/crust punk. Songs are typically short (sometimes extremely so), fast, loud, raw, abrasive, and feature a variety of extreme vocal styles. Odd (and even multiple) time signatures are frequent.

Pornogrind and Goregrind are sub-genres of grindcore. Goregrind is essentially grindcore, but taken even further to the extremes (and typically featuring gore related lyrics). Vocals are typically very very deep (almost gurgling) and the riffing and guitar tones tend to be closer to metal than hardcore punk. Pornogrind is similar to goregrind, but has more vocal variety, usually slower/groovier, is designed for shock value, and has very obscene and sexual themed lyrics.

Grindcore bands: Magrudergrind, Napalm Death, Pig Destroyer
Goregrind bands: (early) Carcass, Regurgitate, Cattle Decapitation
Pornogrind bands: Anal C*nt, Cock and Ball Torture, GUT

how do you know that? :p

[cherokeesam]

Gorecore already exists. Its synonymous with Goregrind.

Then why not use "gorecore" instead? It sounds so much more melodious (and obvious) than "goregrind." "Goregrind" --- how....unfortunate.

[Mystlyfe77]

how do you know that? :p

I've dabbled in grindcore and various sub-genres. It's a mixed bag for me, and I definitely need to be in the right mood to listen to it. It's a place I plan on revisiting and continuing to explore sometime in the future. I'm not an expert, though, as I had no clue what technogrind was (though I could give an educated guess similar to what 'stasis said, in that it's probably similar to cybergrind).


Then why not use "gorecore" instead? It sounds so much more melodious (and obvious) than "goregrind." "Goregrind" --- how....unfortunate.

Grind isn't about being melodious. In short, it is about being "how.... unfortunate." And Goregrind clearly indicates that it's a form of grindcore, rather than any of the numerous other -core genres (hardcore, metalcore, deathcore, mathcore, etc).

[JerryBrudos]

Okay thanks everyone I guess I did know grindcore to some extent although its subgenres, particularely some of the band names, sound a bit crazy. It probably was Cybergrind I was just sort of making up a name from memory but that sounds right.

Edit: after reading the above post I now have some more questions about these titles.

If grindcore is death meets harcore punk then how is deathcore different? Which also leads to how is deathcore different from metalcore (I would assume bands like a7x fit under just metalcore but I've also seen deathier ones be labeled metalcore as well)

Lastly what is math metal?

[Gowienczyk]

Anal C*nt,

Aren't they noisegrind?

[Mystlyfe77]

If grindcore is death meets harcore punk then how is deathcore different? Which also leads to how is deathcore different from metalcore (I would assume bands like a7x fit under just metalcore but I've also seen deathier ones be labeled metalcore as well)

Lastly what is math metal?

I'll start with the last question first. Math metal is the metal version of math rock, in short. It's highly technical and rhythmically complex metal. Complex time signatures, polyrhythms, that sort of stuff. Most notable example is Meshuggah.

Deathcore is much more of a heavier sub-genre of modern metalcore than it is a pure combination of death metal and hardcore punk. It relies very heavily breakdowns. Both deathcore and grind do incorporate fusion of hardcore and death metal traits, use blastbeats, and have both high and low tone extreme vocals. Deathcore has a much more "modern" (metalcore-ish) guitar tone, and "melodic Deathcore" is somewhat common (see bands like Graves of Valor, Winds of Plague, etc). Grindcore has a much "crunchier" guitar tone, that sounds somewhat like something "grinding." Their song structures are also different, with grindcore rarely incorporating verse-chorus structures.

Deathcore tends to be much heavier and more "brutal" than metalcore. It features more lower-end riffing, less hardcore dissonance (among the newer Deathcore acts, anyway, though dissonance is dying out in melodic metalcore as well), less melody, even more breakdowns, pig squeals, more extreme vocals, etc.

[Onslaught_fei]

Should be noted that Grindcore borrows from Crust Punk which is in a different vein then NYHC, for example.