Concepts That Seem Foreign To Most People

[Quinarvy]

Wow, I suck at naming threads.

This thread is inspired by my friends having short attention spans.

I explain.

To once friend I once explained my love of Rush. They asked about Rush and where to start, and I said "Well, it's rather difficult to pinpoint a spot, considering that they have over 160 songs."

The persons brain exploded.

It's just dissappointing that the concept of artists having 100 + songs is so odd to people.

[b4nny]

From having my 18 year old friend driving me places, it seems foreign to some people that turning up the bass knob on your little dash EQ to 10.5 actually ruins the (already unpleasant) music you play.

[Fizzeler]

A song being over 10 minutes long is sadly foreign to most people I know

An album being tied together by a concept or storyline

A band being good, but unknown by mainstream means

[Lolicat]

Music in another language, music without vocals, experimental music, noise music...

I've had trouble explaining all of these. Also, had trouble explaining to some people that I like a lot of genres, which I found really strange. 'How can you like Metal, Punk and Rap? OMG!'

[seinman]

Kids these days are ******s. I'm not surprised.

Edit: No. ---HMXVeng

[Oscar-Rio]

A band being good, but unknown by mainstream means

i'd say about 85% of people have this problem. They seem shocked when you tell them that there's excellent music outside of the radio/television realm.

[willdabeast21]

People have a hard time grasping the fact that I enjoy jazz, country and death metal

[Fragory123]

Most people have a hard time understanding that I enjoy death metal at all.

[Lolicat]

Best one: People seem to have no concept of the idea that genres are not defined by majority rule, and are actually arbitrarily determined by the music's elements.

[Fizzeler]

i'd say about 85% of people have this problem. They seem shocked when you tell them that there's excellent music outside of the radio/television realm.
Sadly it is true

People have a hard time grasping the fact that I enjoy jazz, country and death metal

No blues?

[Oscar-Rio]

People have a hard time grasping the fact that I enjoy jazz, country and death metal

ya, i get that a lot, but with an even greater range of musical stylings.

[Squaretriangles]

Odd time signatures. I've had people say to me, upon hearing a song in an odd time signature or with changing time signatures, say, "What the hell? This band can't even count. They're just playing random sh*t."

And everything else in this thread everyone has already mentioned.

[JukeBoxHero]

Some people cannot comprehend others listening to music that is strange in the slightest and think that these others listen to "good" music once they drive people away with their weird stuff.

[MdrnDayWarrior]

Instrumentals, songs over 6 minutes, and the fact that most rock is pop

[iwolfe]

That playing blast beats really really fast doesn't make you a good drummer.

[MrFruitLord]

Best one: People seem to have no concept of the idea that genres are not defined by majority rule, and are actually arbitrarily determined by the music's elements.

What?!?:eek:

[Lolicat]

What?!?:eek:

It bothers me massively when people seem to think that because a majority of people think that, say, Slipknot is Death Metal, that it should be so.:mad:

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

It bothers me that people have forgotten what an album is and buy CDs for one or two songs.

[Squaretriangles]

It bothers me that people have forgotten what an album is and buy CDs for one or two songs.

Ohai iTunes.

They don't even have to buy the whole album. :(

[ImHotterThanYou]

i'd say about 85% of people have this problem. They seem shocked when you tell them that there's excellent music outside of the radio/television realm.
Iv'e seen this alot with people I know.

[cherokeesam]

A band being good, but unknown by mainstream means

That's true.
But the converse is also true:

An unknown band does *not* automatically make it an undiscovered diamond in the rough.

I've lost count of how many times I've had indie elitists introduce me to some band no one's ever heard of only to discover, after I hear the crap they call music, the reason nobody's ever heard of them.

[iwolfe]

Ohai iTunes.

They don't even have to buy the whole album. :(

I defend this due to the fact that music is about songs and not albums. Nobody goes to a concert expecting to hear an album.

[MrFruitLord]

It bothers me massively when people seem to think that because a majority of people think that, say, Slipknot is Death Metal, that it should be so.:mad:

I've heard people tell me Slipknot is Death Metal too... it was the same guy who got b=mad because I said his Avenged Sevenfold wallet was lame.

[franticfish]

People need to realize that if a song is highly dissonant or dischordant it still is music whether they like it or not.

[instantdeath999]

I defend this due to the fact that music is about songs and not albums. Nobody goes to a concert expecting to hear an album.

Sure they do. Many bands play their newest albums front to back. Many bands also play their classic albums front to back. Off the top of my head, Dream Theater had a tour where they played their entire first album on it's anniversary, as well as performing Master of Puppets and Dark Side of the Moon (acclaimed as albums, not collections of songs).

Besides, a concert experience is different. A live experience is about the energy, the presence of the band themselves. When listening to an album, you are experiencing a piece of art that the band put together in a certain way, much like reading a book. At least, that's how I look at it.

Besides, take something like Tommy or Dark Side of the Moon and turn them on shuffle. All of a sudden, the album loses a lot of its appeal.

Of course, this only applies to certain albums... many albums are just collections of songs. Still, many albums can be much better when viewed as one piece. The aforementioned Master of Puppets would be a good example.

And finally, if you only listen to single songs, you may very well be missing out on a bands best songs, or your favorite songs. I can't tell you how many times I find a song by a band that I enjoy more than that particular bands singles. Hell, Stairway to Heaven wasn't even a single... suppose people had only bought the singles to Led Zeppelin IV. They'd be missing out on one of the worlds most beloved songs.

You really can't say that "music is about songs", either. Music is different for everyone. You can't tell anyone how they should react to music.

But hey, that's just my view. And that concludes my long, pretentious rant.

[Squaretriangles]

Sure they do. Many bands play their newest albums front to back. Many bands also play their classic albums front to back. Off the top of my head, Dream Theater had a tour where they played their entire first album on it's anniversary, as well as performing Master of Puppets and Dark Side of the Moon (acclaimed as albums, not collections of songs).

Besides, a concert experience is different. A live experience is about the energy, the presence of the band themselves. When listening to an album, you are experiencing a piece of art that the band put together in a certain way, much like reading a book. At least, that's how I look at it.

Besides, take something like Tommy or Dark Side of the Moon and turn them on shuffle. All of a sudden, the album loses a lot of its appeal.

Of course, this only applies to certain albums... many albums are just collections of songs. Still, many albums can be much better when viewed as one piece. The aforementioned Master of Puppets would be a good example.

And finally, if you only listen to single songs, you may very well be missing out on a bands best songs, or your favorite songs. I can't tell you how many times I find a song by a band that I enjoy more than that particular bands singles. Hell, Stairway to Heaven wasn't even a single... suppose people had only bought the singles to Led Zeppelin IV. They'd be missing out on one of the worlds most beloved songs.

You really can't say that "music is about songs", either. Music is different for everyone. You can't tell anyone how they should react to music.

But hey, that's just my view. And that concludes my long, pretentious rant.

Thank you, instantdeath. This is pretty much how I feel.

[Lolicat]

What really frustrates me too is an unwillingness in certain sects of fans to admit that music made after 19xx is any good.

[seinman]

Sure they do. Many bands play their newest albums fr...

(long intelligent reply removed for space)

I agree with most of what you have to say. However, can you really claim that more than, let's say, 25% of albums are intended to be that way? More and more (although, it was also true in the past), albums ARE just collections of individual songs. I can think of very few albums that lose their appeal when you listen on shuffle. There's the obvious ones, like Dark Side, Tommy, etc. That doesn't change the fact that the majority of albums are just a bunch of songs, and it doesn't change the fact that the iTunes model makes much more sense than forcing people to buy whole albums these days.

[Lolicat]

I agree with most of what you have to say. However, can you really claim that more than, let's say, 25% of albums are intended to be that way? More and more (although, it was also true in the past), albums ARE just collections of individual songs. I can think of very few albums that lose their appeal when you listen on shuffle. There's the obvious ones, like Dark Side, Tommy, etc. That doesn't change the fact that the majority of albums are just a bunch of songs, and it doesn't change the fact that the iTunes model makes much more sense than forcing people to buy whole albums these days.

lolbuyingmusic

[Squaretriangles]

I agree with most of what you have to say. However, can you really claim that more than, let's say, 25% of albums are intended to be that way? More and more (although, it was also true in the past), albums ARE just collections of individual songs. I can think of very few albums that lose their appeal when you listen on shuffle. There's the obvious ones, like Dark Side, Tommy, etc. That doesn't change the fact that the majority of albums are just a bunch of songs, and it doesn't change the fact that the iTunes model makes much more sense than forcing people to buy whole albums these days.

You have a good point, but when people never buy complete albums, that's when it becomes a problem. That's what I was trying to say, I guess.

[iwolfe]

Sure they do. Many bands play their newest albums front to back. Many bands also play their classic albums front to back. Off the top of my head, Dream Theater had a tour where they played their entire first album on it's anniversary, as well as performing Master of Puppets and Dark Side of the Moon (acclaimed as albums, not collections of songs).

Besides, a concert experience is different. A live experience is about the energy, the presence of the band themselves. When listening to an album, you are experiencing a piece of art that the band put together in a certain way, much like reading a book. At least, that's how I look at it.

Besides, take something like Tommy or Dark Side of the Moon and turn them on shuffle. All of a sudden, the album loses a lot of its appeal.

Of course, this only applies to certain albums... many albums are just collections of songs. Still, many albums can be much better when viewed as one piece. The aforementioned Master of Puppets would be a good example.

And finally, if you only listen to single songs, you may very well be missing out on a bands best songs, or your favorite songs. I can't tell you how many times I find a song by a band that I enjoy more than that particular bands singles. Hell, Stairway to Heaven wasn't even a single... suppose people had only bought the singles to Led Zeppelin IV. They'd be missing out on one of the worlds most beloved songs.

You really can't say that "music is about songs", either. Music is different for everyone. You can't tell anyone how they should react to music.

But hey, that's just my view. And that concludes my long, pretentious rant.

I understand this point of view but I disagree with it. There are a few albums out there that connect the songs in order and are different than just a bunch of songs. But not very many. Also, the part about how you may miss out on some of the best songs or ones you might like by not listening to the whole album is the main reason why I dislike the album system. If every song was released individually, people would be more likely to listen to each of them instead of only the ones that become radio singles. It would also give the radio stations more variety. I think that there was a time that albums were the best way to release music but now they are an anachronism due to the possibility of downloading individual songs.

[Squaretriangles]

I understand this point of view but I disagree with it. There are a few albums out there that connect the songs in order and are different than just a bunch of songs. But not very many. Also, the part about how you may miss out on some of the best songs or ones you might like by not listening to the whole album is the main reason why I dislike the album system. If every song was released individually, people would be more likely to listen to each of them instead of only the ones that become radio singles. It would also give the radio stations more variety. I think that there was a time that albums were the best way to release music but now they are an anachronism due to the possibility of downloading individual songs.

Um... no, they wouldn't. The majority of people will still only listen to the radio singles. That's the problem. Releasing the songs differently isn't going to change what people have been doing for quite a while now.

[iwolfe]

Um... no, they wouldn't. The majority of people will still only listen to the radio singles. That's the problem. Releasing the songs differently isn't going to change what people have been doing for quite a while now.

I guess I said this wrong. I think that artists shouldn't release radio singles. Every song should be eligible for radio play.

[Squaretriangles]

I guess I said this wrong. I think that artists shouldn't release radio singles. Every song should be eligible for radio play.

Oh, sorry. I guess I misinterpreted that. :o

[Gatorguy91]

That Record Labels actually benefit bands.

[Lolicat]

That Record Labels actually benefit bands.

Meh, only certain labels. There is a history of label interference that argues that record labels can be bad, not that they will be.

[timmay9]

I've thought of a saying a while back, which applies to both art and music. Someone has probably said something similar before.

"Music is just like art. If someone thinks it's music, it's music."

[Hungryfreak]

I think that 100% of albums created sound better as albums. That may seem extreme at first, but even if they aren't concept albums, there's so much that the entire thing has to offer whether or not it was intended. An albums ordering, for example, is always intentional and important to the context of an album. Why do songs at the beginning of an album sound like good introductions? Because that's how the album is made.

Also, certain aspects like band members, instruments, sounds, inspirations, current desires and more go into the making of an album. Each album is musically connected by those factors. If you listen to two albums by the same artist, they'll have separate flows and sounds. Let's take Megadeth for example. I sometimes listen to their individual songs, but hearing "Peace Sells" and then "Hangar 18" won't feel as natural as listening to "Holy Wars... The Punishment Is Due" and then "Hangar 18".

[Lolicat]

I think that 100% of albums created sound better as albums. That may seem extreme at first, but even if they aren't concept albums, there's so much that the entire thing has to offer whether or not it was intended. An albums ordering, for example, is always intentional and important to the context of an album. Why do songs at the beginning of an album sound like good introductions? Because that's how the album is made.

Also, certain aspects like band members, instruments, sounds, inspirations, current desires and more go into the making of an album. Each album is musically connected by those factors. If you listen to two albums by the same artist, they'll have separate flows and sounds. Let's take Megadeth for example. I sometimes listen to their individual songs, but hearing "Peace Sells" and then "Hangar 18" won't feel as natural as listening to "Holy Wars... The Punishment Is Due" and then "Hangar 18".

Not 100% of the time, sometimes you could do with losing the filler or could think of a better arrangment of the album that provided.

[Hungryfreak]

Even then, the filler is built to complement the songs within whether due to intention or current disposition. There are certain albums with songs that I can do without, but I still think that those albums would be lacking without said songs. Even if they aren't doing the best job to fit in their place, it's certainly better than leaving a gap. That's just my opinion, though.

[Mystlyfe77]

I defend this due to the fact that music is about songs and not albums. Nobody goes to a concert expecting to hear an album.

I do. Just a couple months ago I heard Crack the Skye front to back at a Mastodon concert.


I understand this point of view but I disagree with it. There are a few albums out there that connect the songs in order and are different than just a bunch of songs. But not very many. Also, the part about how you may miss out on some of the best songs or ones you might like by not listening to the whole album is the main reason why I dislike the album system. If every song was released individually, people would be more likely to listen to each of them instead of only the ones that become radio singles. It would also give the radio stations more variety. I think that there was a time that albums were the best way to release music but now they are an anachronism due to the possibility of downloading individual songs.

The "album system" has nothing to do with the radio airplay system. Just because both systems are concurrent, doesn't mean they're directly related. Radio airplay has a lot more to do with record labels, the FCC, and the economics of running a radio station.
Alternatively, you should just find a local college radio station and tune in. They tend to play whatever they want, provided it doesn't violate FCC rules (no cursing).
And beyond that, you still have to look at the music video system. Pure economics dictate that not every song can have a music video (barring certain artists, like Serj Tankian, who do make music videos for every song).

[Fizzeler]

It bothers me that people have forgotten what an album is and buy CDs for one or two songs.

same here

[Lolicat]

Wiping the toilet if they manage to piss on the seat.

[JukeBoxHero]

Holy crap the system is definitely messed up, Myst had around 10-12 spam posts in a row.

[Fizzeler]

Holy crap the system is definitely messed up, Myst had around 10-12 spam posts in a row.

wait until he sees that

[LegendofRock3021]

Holy crap the system is definitely messed up, Myst had around 10-12 spam posts in a row.

It's pretty funny, the other page only has his posts except one by Hungryfreak.

[JukeBoxHero]

It's pretty funny, the other page only has his posts except one by Hungryfreak.

Yeah it is but also very annoying.

[LegendofRock3021]

Yeah it is but also very annoying.

Well when he notices he'll delete his extra posts, hopefully sooner than later.

[a21schizoidman]

some people don't understand the concept that there is music out there that is good that is not played on the radio

[Squaretriangles]

some people don't understand the concept that there is music out there that is good that is not played on the radio

It seems like this is going to be a recurring theme in this thread.

[Mystlyfe77]

I apologize for the spamming, the forums blew up on me and apparently posted my thoughts 12 times.

[clashcityrocker10]

It seems like a foreign concept to a lot of people that taste in music is subjective.

[Runesmith]

It seems like a foreign concept to a lot of people that taste in music is subjective.

/thread.

Also: that pop music and musicians can be just as potent or as talented as artists from other genres. This mostly just applies towards avid listeners, though.

[macamatic]

That screamo isn't just any song with screaming.
That extreme metal has a melody line.
That music doesn't have to be soothing.
That heavy doesn't mean angry.
That making music you dislike doesn't mean the band has no talent (I see this one here every once in a while, even).


It seems like a foreign concept to a lot of people that taste in music is subjective.
While I fully agree, you're not in the best part of town to be saying this.

[NormanCoxwell]

Some people find eating Pig Stomach disgusting but I find it delicous. Well it depends on how its cooked and whether or not its stuffed with anything.

[KingProgdor]

That there's a bit more to music than just how 'hot' the band members are.

[Mystlyfe77]

That there's a bit more to music than just how 'hot' the band members are.

Lies!

[JukeBoxHero]

Musicians:Using your ears. ;)

[Quinarvy]

That not all songs have to be love songs.

[KingProgdor]

That not all songs have to be love songs.

Or even have an uplifting atmosphere.

People who only listen to happy, uplifting music make me want to slam my head against a solid oak desk.

[Quinarvy]

Or even have an uplifting atmosphere.

People who only listen to happy, uplifting music make me want to slam my head against a solid oak desk.

I want to do it to their head instead.

Less people who think all music is happy.

[KingProgdor]

I want to do it to their head instead.

Less people who think all music is happy.

How about a compromise; we'll do it to theirs and our own at the same time!

By the way, would you care to help me patent a portable solid oak desk? This way we can slam ours and others' heads against them while we're on the go!

I even have a slogan for it.

"When stupidity rears its ugly head, don't you be unprepared. Slam that head against one of our portable oak desks."

[chumsicles]

That not all music has to be music that you can dance or "rock out" to.

[OGGhostguy]

In the same vein as a few other people in this thread, most of my friends are diehards to one genre (it varies between them but it's usually punk of some kind) and they find it hard to believe that I can like The Clash AND Allman Brothers AND Chili Peppers AND a The Cars. Limiting yourself to one genre of music is just limiting your experiences in life. There are so many great artists out there from all walks of musical life and it's a shame to find some folks are just so closed off to the world of music.

[instantdeath999]

That it's possible to enjoy something based purely on nostalgia.

[Runesmith]

Or even have an uplifting atmosphere.

People who only listen to happy, uplifting music make me want to slam my head against a solid oak desk.

I could understand why a person would only listen to happy music (or music that makes themselves happy), especially if they have a really depressing life.

[Gowienczyk]

Concepts, eh? Well here's one:

You don't like/listen to everything.

[Lolicat]

Concepts, eh? Well here's one:

You don't like/listen to everything.

I love this one with my brother. He tells me he listens to everything, so I challenge him with something like 'cool, what's your favourite power electronics artist?'
'Ok, not everything, but most things!'
'Jazz, you into jazz? Traditional stuff or bebop? What about rockabilly? Can I just see your iTunes then... o you like chart music and electro with some hip hop thrown in. See you later, Herr Gaga.'

[GuyMonkey]

That it's possible to enjoy something based purely on nostalgia.

This.

I love listening to Boney M, because it reminds me of when I was a kid and my dad used to drive me around in his old Firebird. Is it pretty terrible music by today's conventions? You bet, but it sure doesn't stop me from feeling good when I hear "Daddy Cool" pop up on shuffle.

Edit: To add to the idea, I've actually had people try to tell me that Beatles' music isn't good because it's too old.

[Tank9088]

How about a compromise; we'll do it to theirs and our own at the same time!

By the way, would you care to help me patent a portable solid oak desk? This way we can slam ours and others' heads against them while we're on the go!

I even have a slogan for it.

"When stupidity rears its ugly head, don't you be unprepared. Slam that head against one of our portable oak desks."

I'll invest in that!

[Oscar-Rio]

Concepts, eh? Well here's one:

You don't like/listen to everything.

i would tell this to a person that i know doesn't know too much about music, but to people i work with or people i know who know music, obviously i don't tell them i like/listen to everything, but i can tolerate anything once.

[Hungryfreak]

Concepts, eh? Well here's one:

You don't like/listen to everything.

Oh yeah, that's definitely a big one. I ask many people about their music taste and they respond with that sort of "everything" answer. Fortunately, though, bringing up death metal usually changes their answers immediately.

[HeIsEdrid]

This happened at a day camp a few weeks ago, and I was wearing a Pink Floyd Animals shirt. I pointed at it, and the guy got really quiet.

[WhiffleBallTony]

It's difficult for most people to realize that metal actually contains some of the most musically innovative and intelligent people on this planet.

[Squaretriangles]

It's difficult for most people to realize that metal actually contains some of the most musically innovative and intelligent people on this planet.

Psh, everybody knows that people who play metal are Satanic, can't sing, and can't play their instruments. :rolleyes:

[WhiffleBallTony]

Psh, everybody knows that people who play metal are Satanic, can't sing, and can't play their instruments. :rolleyes:

It's also a fact that every metal singer is just the cookie monster in different human forms.

[MrFruitLord]

It's difficult for most people to realize that metal actually contains some of the most musically innovative and intelligent people on this planet.

Or, there's the people who think Metal contains the only musically innovative and intelligent people.

[mercury11]

That the bass player is important to the band. hope no one has said this one
a guitar drummer or bassist has to play fast to be good

[JukeBoxHero]

That the bass player is important to the band. hope no one has said this one
a guitar drummer or bassist has to play fast to be good

Yeah I hate it when people only judge a musician's skill by speed.

[Lolicat]

Or, there's the people who think Metal contains the only musically innovative and intelligent people.

This. Listening to a lot of metal fans, you'd think only metal guitarist knew what to do with the thing.

[Runesmith]

Or, there's the people who think Metal contains the only musically innovative and intelligent people.

These individuals make me embarassed to like metal.

I honestly can not grasp how someone could only listen to metal, or any other single genre (regardless of how wide or diverse it may be), for that matter. It must be a pretty boring existence in the audio department.

[timmay9]

I know people who don't understand why I want more music Runes. They say I already have too much. I think if I just stopped listening to new artists and listened to the same artists over and over again I would shoot myself.

[Idiostock]

And logic be damned! I'm conforming to MYSELF mother****er! :p

**** yes.

Nice so see misconceptions among the regs.

[MrFruitLord]

Some people can't understand that a song doesn't need a Guitar Solo to sound good.

[Mystlyfe77]

Some people can't understand that a song doesn't need a guitar to sound good.

Fixed.

Along those lines.

Some people can't understand that a song doesn't need a vocalist to sound good.

You can do that with any number of other instruments, but vocalists are even more common than guitars, and too many people live and die with vocalists.

[Fizzeler]

Fixed.

Along those lines.

Some people can't understand that a song doesn't need a vocalist to sound good.

You can do that with any number of other instruments, but vocalists are even more common than guitars, and too many people live and die with vocalists.

It saddens me how few people I know will listen to instrumentals because they say a song needs a vocalist or it automatically is awful

[MdrnDayWarrior]

I know people who don't understand why I want more music Runes. They say I already have too much. I think if I just stopped listening to new artists and listened to the same artists over and over again I would shoot myself.

Yeah, but I hate when I get too much music in one sitting just 'cause I got giddy and then I have a bunch of stuff to listen to. I also feel guilty when I listen to a new album 3 or 4 times then get something new. : /

[KingProgdor]

I know that, as a personal thing, having a vocalist (and therefore having a lyricist) makes me feel more 'involved' if you will, in that I can learn the lyrics and sing along whenever a song plays.

That being said, people don't seem to realize that lyrics aren't of primary importance in any music setting (that I can think of).

[Hungryfreak]

Yeah, the instrumental hate is annoying. I set up a forced listening thread in a forum with generally more conventional tastes in music for fun, and there are so many people who declare a song bad if they cant sing along with it.

[KingProgdor]

there are so many people who declare a song bad if they cant sing along with it.

Now that's just plain ignorance right there.

[Gatorguy91]

That there is actually good modern music.

That there is actually good contemporary music.

[Mystlyfe77]

That being said, people don't seem to realize that lyrics aren't of primary importance in any music setting (that I can think of).

Karaoke. :p

Seriously, some forms of folk. Also, protest music.

[WhiffleBallTony]

Or, there's the people who think Metal contains the only musically innovative and intelligent people.

This too. I said SOME of the most, not THE most.

[Quinarvy]

That you don't need to always know the Top 40 hits.

[a21schizoidman]

I know people who don't understand why I want more music Runes. They say I already have too much. I think if I just stopped listening to new artists and listened to the same artists over and over again I would shoot myself.

same here, people who ask me, "what kind of music do you listen to?" kinda piss me off, because it's like they expect a one line answer, it's like, my mood changes, and my taste changes, i listen to lots of different stuff, and there will always be a crapload of stuff i've never heard i want to try to find


Fixed.

Along those lines.

Some people can't understand that a song doesn't need a vocalist to sound good.

You can do that with any number of other instruments, but vocalists are even more common than guitars, and too many people live and die with vocalists.

agreed, look at me, i love ELP, most songs feature no guitar, and some of those are instrumentals


Yeah, the instrumental hate is annoying. I set up a forced listening thread in a forum with generally more conventional tastes in music for fun, and there are so many people who declare a song bad if they cant sing along with it.

(facepalm) i like to sing along to stuff a lot too, when i get in the mood to, but i've met these people, and usually the stuff i like to sing with, they've never heard, in which they put on their soulja boy and crap and make me listen to that instead of Bob Seger or INXS

[KingProgdor]

agreed, look at me, i love ELP, most songs feature no guitar, and some of those are instrumentals

Änglagård too, which I was surprised to find out is completely instrumental. Absolutely amazing band.

[WhiffleBallTony]

Yeah, the instrumental hate is annoying. I set up a forced listening thread in a forum with generally more conventional tastes in music for fun, and there are so many people who declare a song bad if they cant sing along with it.

Kind of like the whole "I hate metal because you can't understand what they say" approach.

[Fizzeler]

Änglagård too, which I was surprised to find out is completely instrumental. Absolutely amazing band.

Most of Sweden's 90s and 00s Prog. scene has been awesome with some great bands they are definitely up there

[KingProgdor]

Most of Sweden's 90s and 00s Prog. scene has been awesome with some great bands they are definitely up there

Certainly won't dispute that.

[KingProgdor]

Kind of like the whole "I hate metal because you can't understand what they say" approach.

Which brings me to yet another point.

Not all Metal is RAH RAH RAH AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHH KILL YOUR MOTHERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHH

[Fizzeler]

Which brings me to yet another point.

Not all Metal is RAH RAH RAH AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHH KILL YOUR MOTHERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHH

Whoever says this to you blast some Ayreon and Star One to prove them wrong :D

[a21schizoidman]

Some people can't get that there are other drummers out there other than Neil Peart.

[Oscar-Rio]

Some people can't get that there are other drummers out there other than Joey Jordison.

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[a21schizoidman]

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yeah, new guy at work was like that today, when i mentioned Carl Palmer and Steve Flynn, especially made me angry when he claimed to like Death Metal, and could only name metalcore bands that he liked, fortunately, he corrected himself in calling them metalcore, then we sang the Safety Dance when we cleaned for no apparent reason

[tridentgum0]

Another one: That lyrics about Satan and saying 666 in a song does not make a band Satanic.

Sorry for the bump.

[KingProgdor]

Album art and song titles don't always give someone a good idea of the music or even the lyrical content.

[Young Claybert]

That screaming can be an enjoyable form of vocals. I know so many people who won't listen to anything that isn't 100% clean vocals.

[Lolicat]

That screaming can be an enjoyable form of vocals. I know so many people who won't listen to anything that isn't 100% clean vocals.

Meh I'm not too bothered by that one, I've had people ask me why I like it, but if they don't I'm not gonna push it.

[Maghook]

Any song with high pitched vocals is classified as emo now, apparently.