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tehsam

07-21-2009, 09:13 AM

We are bound to (eventually) see a great increase in the rate of DLC flowing into the store with the release of RBN. It seems unlikely to me that the majority of current 100%'ers will be able to keep up with (or afford?) all the new DLC.

Obviously there will be some that can keep up, and any indie-type artists will probably be unlikely to demand 2 bucks a song, but still, if they are able to release whole albums at a time...

Discuss.

thirdmortal

07-21-2009, 09:32 AM

I agree, but as I've mentioned before I think harddrive space will become an issue for some even before budget does.

Sayburr

07-21-2009, 09:33 AM

Ehfahq

07-21-2009, 09:34 AM

Im still going to buy all the HMX DLC.

And browse through the RBN for odd ball stuff.

folkeye

07-21-2009, 11:16 AM

I'm just more worried that this is a 100% chance of having even less DLC in common to play with others.

It is hard enough finding groups with similar DLC as is...

RetroMonster

07-21-2009, 11:18 AM

I think that evntually we will get 100% but who knows...

Avatar_Ko

07-21-2009, 11:18 AM

I'm just more worried that this is a 100% chance of having even less DLC in common to play with others.

It is hard enough finding groups with similar DLC as is...

I'm just hoping that part of the 2.2 patch is improved matchmaking based on DLC.

HMXEnosity

07-21-2009, 11:23 AM

RBN WILL NOT take away from our weekly DLC output.
They are completely separate. Just think, now you get the 9 or 10 (on average) songs every week plus more from RBN every day!

RetroMonster

07-21-2009, 11:28 AM

RBN WILL NOT take away from our weekly DLC output.
They are completely separate. Just think, now you get the 9 or 10 (on average) songs every week plus more from RBN every day!

True Dat. Words from a special person. I just had to say that.

skyttskytt

07-21-2009, 11:29 AM

RBN WILL NOT take away from our weekly DLC output.
They are completely separate. Just think, now you get the 9 or 10 (on average) songs every week plus more from RBN every day!

I think he was asking whether us DLC whores will continue to get everything, including all the RBN has to offer. I think some of us will. Unless I go jobless for the next few years, I don't see a reason to stop. Music is music, and if it doesn't violate my ears to a great extent, I could see it as a potential addition to my collection.

WhizKidRaven

07-21-2009, 11:30 AM

RBN WILL NOT take away from our weekly DLC output.
They are completely separate. Just think, now you get the 9 or 10 (on average) songs every week plus more from RBN every day!

Best announcement evah!

No, but really. The thing that I feared the most is that, as soon as RBN hit, we'd go back to 3 "official" DLC tracks a week and then the flood of homebrew songs would make up the rest of it.

cherokeesam

07-21-2009, 11:31 AM

RBN WILL NOT take away from our weekly DLC output.
They are completely separate. Just think, now you get the 9 or 10 (on average) songs every week plus more from RBN every day!

Cool! Thanks for that info....I wasn't sure if RBN would have a regular weekly release date like RB DLC....so does that mean RBN will be open to new uploads/downloads 24/7?

skyttskytt

07-21-2009, 11:38 AM

Cool! Thanks for that info....I wasn't sure if RBN would have a regular weekly release date like RB DLC....so does that mean RBN will be open to new uploads/downloads 24/7?

Content's supposed to go live as soon as it's approved. They're anticipating enough to show up eventually to have new stuff come out every day.

cherokeesam

07-21-2009, 11:41 AM

Content's supposed to go live as soon as it's approved. They're anticipating enough to show up eventually to have new stuff come out every day.

Veddy nice.
I've got a feeling it *might* start out with slow input, but after about six months, RBN could very well be swamped with submissions. Maybe sooner than that.

folkeye

07-21-2009, 11:41 AM

I know I don't buy everything, I'm pretty picky with what goes on my system... maybe there will be something now and then. Variety isn't the issue,the fear of less in commin out there is tip-top in my brain.

aggiesrul8

07-21-2009, 11:43 AM

I doubt that the addition of the RBN will decrease the liklihood that you will share similar DLC, though. With HMX still cranking out the more well known bands/bigger hits, those will still get plenty of purchases and you could share those in common. The obscure RBN songs, however, will have a very likely chance that you won't share those in common.

And like most would say, if you really want to play a particular song that badly, either convince your bandmates to download that particular song or play it locally...

skyttskytt

07-21-2009, 11:45 AM

Veddy nice.
I've got a feeling it *might* start out with slow input, but after about six months, RBN could very well be swamped with submissions. Maybe sooner than that.

Yeah, I don't think it'll have a problem with content submissions, but rather having enough authors available to chart everything that's being submitted being the limiting factor. At least early on when there aren't several companies or a large enough one devoted to it.

T-Hybrid

07-21-2009, 11:46 AM

I doubt that the addition of the RBN will decrease the liklihood that you will share similar DLC, though.
I have 20 of the top 25 best selling DLC songs EVER. And I still rarely share DLC.

aggiesrul8

07-21-2009, 11:49 AM

I have 20 of the top 25 best selling DLC songs EVER. And I still rarely share DLC.

That's the point. Most fail to realize on this forum that not everybody is going to have DLC. There is already a pretty low chance that you and Mr. Anonymous from Helena, WY will share DLC. The addition of the RBN will still make it just as unlikely that you will find someone with similar DLC...

folkeye

07-21-2009, 12:13 PM

All in all I guess it won't matter. I have a PS3. So we'll only be seeing selective songs from what I'm seeing (if I'm reading it right).

RealMessiah

07-21-2009, 12:23 PM

I would say the 100% Downloaders will continue with the non RBN songs... the ones HMX releases.

There is going to be such a huge influx of crappy no-name bands I am worried... but, there are also going to be those awsome bands that no one has heard of before. I am looking forward to RBN but I am a little scared too.

Same with me. I still plan to buy the HMX charted releases. I will buy some RBN stuff that I really like though when need be.

I just hope ScoreHero keeps the RBN songs out of the HMX DLC section on their score managing page.

HeyRiles

07-21-2009, 12:27 PM

Veddy nice.
I've got a feeling it *might* start out with slow input, but after about six months, RBN could very well be swamped with submissions. Maybe sooner than that.

Yeah I'm thinking that for the first few months, some bands are going to be forced to spread their DLC out if they submitted like four or five songs at once

RealMessiah

07-21-2009, 12:27 PM

I doubt that the addition of the RBN will decrease the liklihood that you will share similar DLC, though

Just simple math alone says that it will indeed make it less likely to have DLC in common with someone else the more and more DLC that is available.

cweaver8518

07-21-2009, 01:49 PM

skyttskytt

07-21-2009, 02:10 PM

Actually, it could make it more common to share DLC with someone. I imagine some bands will use RBN to post some free songs.

Can't post free songs in it. And, they're less popular than you think, I run into all kinds of random players that don't have them.

cutmaclass

07-21-2009, 02:12 PM

Eventually. I bet there will be people who try.

I guess you can always go for 100% DLC on the PS3 until RBN makes its way over there....

cweaver8518

07-21-2009, 02:15 PM

Can't post free songs in it. And, they're less popular than you think, I run into all kinds of random players that don't have them.

I must have missed that in the announcement. Randoms don't typically have any DLC but if they do, its the free stuff. You should add me as a friend on PSN, you sound pretty grumpy about people not having DLC and I've got about 200 now. I refuse to buy DLC I don't like.

DMBillies

07-21-2009, 02:43 PM

Actually, it could make it more common to share DLC with someone. I imagine some bands will use RBN to post some free songs. And we all know how popular the free songs are. Of course these bands would have to be hoping the free songs are just to get you hooked on their music, then you buy stuff from them...

As stated by another poster, I don't think "free" is going to be a part of this... unless they have a special promotions section where they give out a free song 1 day a week or something like that (doubtful).

And with that said, more songs cannot possibly make it more likely to share DLC... it's all in the percentages. If you buy 3 songs when only 6 are available you have 50%. If another person does the same, the odds are you will share 25% of your DLC (not accounting for taste, which has some effect, but taste is also very varied). If you continue buying 3 songs but the output goes up to 12 songs, you are only getting 25% of the music. Another person doing the same would only share 6.25% of the DLC with you.

Offering more music is not going to cause people to magically start buying an even higher percentage of the music (assuming "quality" stays the same)...even if they actually are buying more tracks per week...so your odds will always be falling.

Take the same example and extend it to the odds of 4 band members sharing DLC... you'll soon find your odds are about as good as hitting the lottery (literally). In fact, the odds become so bad that I am fairly certain a matchmaking system would not even work... or would require extended wait times that most people would not tolerate.

The fact is, more options is bad for online matchmaking. Find a band to play with and make DLC buying decisions together. Only play with friends locally. Or get used to playing disk music.

I am personally ok with trading the ability to play more songs I like for the ability to play online with faceless bandmates... it sucks, but it is just the way it is.

RealMessiah

07-21-2009, 03:09 PM

Grimmja

07-21-2009, 03:09 PM

I just hope ScoreHero keeps the RBN songs out of the HMX DLC section on their score managing page.

If I'm not mistaken, JCirri has mentioned score tracking for RBN songs authored by Rhythm Authors LLC.

http://rockband.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20743&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=677

rocker820

07-21-2009, 04:25 PM

I'm worried that the same song will be used more than once on RBN on two different charts saying two people can get the same liscensing

whofan

07-21-2009, 04:30 PM

I'm worried that the same song will be used more than once on RBN on two different charts saying two people can get the same liscensing
Technically this can not happen, as if multiple people hold licencing rights to a song, they all need to be in agreement before it can be released.

Skode

07-21-2009, 04:43 PM

Well from the feedback ive had from fellow ALL DLC club members it seems we all are looking at retaining the downloading of all the DLC from HMX on a weekly basis and generally only cherry pick what we like the most from the RBN.

The All DLC as people know it will lose many numbers though - getting a few songs a week is different from getting a few songs a week plus new ones dailly...its not expensive, takes too much time to properly play and enjoy the songs and would take up too much space on the hard drive.

The thing that im wondering is if we will see the end of the videos of charts appearing on youtube for you to view before you buy...its less a problem for Wii and PS3 owners of the future as there DLC count from RBN will be significantly less but for the 360 its a big ask to fund so many songs and require so much uploading on a regular basis.

Sayburr

07-21-2009, 04:46 PM

Yeah, that is my biggest fear. I count on those previews to make up my mind on purchases, without them, I don't know what I will do... I guess not buy unless I am already a fan of the band.

skyttskytt

07-21-2009, 04:47 PM

I must have missed that in the announcement. Randoms don't typically have any DLC but if they do, its the free stuff. You should add me as a friend on PSN, you sound pretty grumpy about people not having DLC and I've got about 200 now. I refuse to buy DLC I don't like.

I'm not too upset about people not having DLC, I just know it's the truth about the average player you'll run into when picking up randoms. I did this the other day when I and some friends were bored and didn't have a drummer with us. The 3 of us were full-DLC people, and we picked up a random drummer. We suddenly had something like 20 songs to choose from, and they weren't the 20-free, just cherry picked stuff that was kind of ok, but didn't seem like the good picks from the albums that were selected from.

skyttskytt

07-21-2009, 04:48 PM

Yeah, that is my biggest fear. I count on those previews to make up my mind on purchases, without them, I don't know what I will do... I guess not buy unless I am already a fan of the band.

You'll get to demo something like a 30 second preview of all RBN tracks before purchasing. I think that includes seeing the chart.

folkeye

07-21-2009, 04:56 PM

I've said this before, and I shall say it again. (Uber picky with my music)

It's Rockband, not Pokemon: I don't gotta have them all :)

cherokeesam

07-21-2009, 04:59 PM

You'll get to demo something like a 30 second preview of all RBN tracks before purchasing. I think that includes seeing the chart.

The FAQ says you'll get a full 60 seconds of free preview of each song. (Audio only, I'm assuming. But preview charts would be most welcome and most excellent.)

Knucklesdude

07-21-2009, 05:02 PM

Indeed it's a demo.

A new in-game Rock Band Network Store will be added with the ability to "demo" any RBN song that is live for free. Players will be able to play the first 35% of the song (or full 1 minute, whichever is shorter) before being given the option to buy the full track.

HazyCloud

07-21-2009, 05:16 PM

Indeed it's a demo.

Wow, good find.

Baanu_Rass

07-21-2009, 05:19 PM

In my opinion there will be four classes of songs. The on disc songs, the imports, the DLC and the RBN. DLC whores will probably still exist but there will be the new RBN whores to replace them in prestige (or shame).

JShadowz666

07-21-2009, 05:25 PM

I will make every reasonable effort to continue getting each track like I have now....the way I will see it, is a different stat altogether. Like on another message board, in my signature, I have the number of songs I have and what difficulties I play on. I will change that around a bit to say the number of songs for HMX releases, and RBN releases. To me, it will be 2 separate entities, 2 separate stats to keep track of.

skyttskytt

07-21-2009, 05:39 PM

The FAQ says you'll get a full 60 seconds of free preview of each song. (Audio only, I'm assuming. But preview charts would be most welcome and most excellent.)

Ah, I thought it was only 30. Must have been some other number I saw, but I remembered there being a % or time thing that Knuckles quoted.

Still unsure of whether it is seeing the chart, though, as it says "play" and that can mean either on your instrument, or as in radio style. "Demo" is also in quotes. Yay for vague terms.

AKALink

07-21-2009, 05:56 PM

Basically yes, technically no. There will still be 100% HMX releases music.

master2uall

07-21-2009, 06:56 PM

I still will only buy what I like and what I want, I stopped buying everything awhile back, but I'm at 710 songs as of today.

Just depends on what comes out and all.

Meatwad555

07-21-2009, 07:01 PM

Obviously yes.

Witticus

07-21-2009, 07:05 PM

Now what about Harmonix bands that come out on the network? I know a lot of them like the Main Drag and Speck are releasing songs on the RBN. Does that count as a Harmonix produced song?

BladeZ

07-21-2009, 07:51 PM

Ah, I thought it was only 30. Must have been some other number I saw, but I remembered there being a % or time thing that Knuckles quoted.

Still unsure of whether it is seeing the chart, though, as it says "play" and that can mean either on your instrument, or as in radio style. "Demo" is also in quotes. Yay for vague terms.

It's 35% or 1 minute, which ever is shorter, for the demo.
As far as 100%'ers on DLC, I think it will be a lot easier to maintain on PS3 or Wii as they will only get the standouts and not all the approved RBN songs (at least for now).

tehsam

07-21-2009, 08:22 PM

Yeah, I don't think it'll have a problem with content submissions, but rather having enough authors available to chart everything that's being submitted being the limiting factor. At least early on when there aren't several companies or a large enough one devoted to it.

From reading the announcement I was left with the impression that the bands themselves would be authoring the charts. If HMX authors a chart it will be a HMX release, not a RBN release.

GaryMac

07-21-2009, 08:27 PM

I'm just more worried that this is a 100% chance of having even less DLC in common to play with others.

It is hard enough finding groups with similar DLC as is...

It's impossible for more DLC choices to cause you to have less songs in common with someone else.

A lower percentage of total match rate, yes, but fewer total songs in common.... no chance of that.

skyttskytt

07-21-2009, 08:46 PM

From reading the announcement I was left with the impression that the bands themselves would be authoring the charts. If HMX authors a chart it will be a HMX release, not a RBN release.

Well, yeah, I was just saying I don't think the amount of content being submitted will be the limiting factor, rather having enough third-party authors to chart that content may end up being it. I mean, if several labels and bands jump on board immediately, there aren't going to be enough people working at wherever to meet the demands very quickly if everyone's wanting their songs in.

snwns26

07-21-2009, 08:48 PM

I would say the 100% Downloaders will continue with the non RBN songs... the ones HMX releases.

This.

I'm still going to get all the HMX released stuff but pick and choose from RBN. I will probably get a lot of stuff from RBN though but not all of it.

Oddbrother

07-21-2009, 11:12 PM

Anybody who's collecting DLC should now know that they're racing on a never-ending road... ahead.

vedis

07-22-2009, 04:19 AM

as a 100% dlc downloader i must say, rbn scared me cuz even with the largest HD, its gonna fill up WAY too quick.
Now of microsoft wants to offer us a 1TB HD, id be all for getting everything still!

otherwise, im sticking with getting all the HMX releases, and am gonna pick and choose RBN stuff.

RealMessiah

07-22-2009, 12:10 PM

Now what about Harmonix bands that come out on the network? I know a lot of them like the Main Drag and Speck are releasing songs on the RBN. Does that count as a Harmonix produced song?

If it is not the official HMX release for the week, I don't care who the band is...It does not count as an official HMX release.

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