Playstation RBN coming soon? Can we help?

[Chris Kleyla]

We are working closely with the other consoles to get it work. We do hope that we can make this viable for all systems at some point.


Hey I was just wondering since HMX isn't opposed to RBN coming to other consoles, if there was anything we as Playstation and Wii owners can do to help Sony and Nintendo see the RBN light? i.e. petitions, angry letters, ect....

Also, thank HMXSean for the BBQ sacrifice to get the RBN news to us as soon as he did :)

[Alvarado6411]

You misled me with that title ;_;

[Chris Kleyla]

You misled me with that title ;_;

Sry to get ur hopes up it's more of a goal :rolleyes:

[monkeybreath]

i say wait. the RBN is bein set up on the xbox first as a way of testin to see if the network will be popular. if it is i doubt that their will be anything to stop em implementing it to both the ps3 and wii

[Michura]

Hey I was just wondering since HMX isn't opposed to RBN coming to other consoles, if there was anything we as Playstation and Wii owners can do to help Sony and Nintendo see the RBN light? i.e. petitions, angry letters, ect....

Also, thank HMXSean for the BBQ sacrifice to get the RBN news to us as soon as he did :)

Too bad Sony gouges third party developers for content they put up on PSN for non-exclusive titles. On top of that, XBL already has the structure in place (XNA) to make this happen. I think it may take some time before this comes to PS3 users.

[JackBNimble]

Hey I was just wondering since HMX isn't opposed to RBN coming to other consoles, if there was anything we as Playstation and Wii owners can do to help Sony and Nintendo see the RBN light? i.e. petitions, angry letters, ect....

Also, thank HMXSean for the BBQ sacrifice to get the RBN news to us as soon as he did :)

I think sony has seen the light.I could be way off but I don't think sony is about to let something this big slip through their hands.And I do know Sony is working on things but they're tight lipped and no one really knows what it is.

But I have a warm and fuzzy feeling about things to come in the future.

[Chris Kleyla]

Too bad Sony gouges third party developers for content they put up on PSN for non-exclusive titles.

Explain?

[Chris Kleyla]

I think sony has seen the light.I could be way off but I don't think sony is about to let something this big slip through their hands.And I do know Sony is working on things but they're tight lipped and no one really knows what it is.

But I have a warm and fuzzy feeling about things to come in the future.

Yeah I get that feeling too then crap like this happens and it makes me wonder how the Playstation brand fell so far :mad:

[JackBNimble]

Yeah I get that feeling too then crap like this happens and it makes me wonder how the Playstation brand fell so far :mad:

Fell from what?

Ye of little faith...

[Chris Kleyla]

Fell from what?

Ye of little faith...

The ps2 days when I was totally unaware of any exclusives that xbox had minus halo and kotor. Back when HMX was exclusive to playstation, Back when it your friends didn't marvel at the fact you had a playstation because it was the 1st one they'd seen outside of a store.

[JackBNimble]

The ps2 days when I was totally unaware of any exclusives that xbox had minus halo and kotor. Back when HMX was exclusive to playstation, Back when it your friends didn't marvel at the fact you had a playstation because it was the 1st one they'd seen outside of a store.

This is what you consider fallen? WOW...

[Soratar]

I hope that the full Network comes out for the PS3 soon.

[JackBNimble]

^^^^So do I , although I will not be submiting music, but it would be nice to have the full access to RBN.^^^^

[Mega-Tallica]

If you haven't noticed, PS3 and Wii always get the 2nd hand from HMX. The precious XBox always gets first dibs on everything.

[Soratar]

^^^^So do I , although I will not be submiting music, but it would be nice to have the full access to RBN.^^^^

Yeah. I don't want to miss out songs being put out by my favorite band just because of them only being on the 360.

[Chris Kleyla]

Yeah. I don't want to miss out songs being put out by my favorite band just because of them only being on the 360.

Yeah I don't really trust 360 fans tastes in music, what with all the screaming 13 year olds I heard on halo, there might be some pretty bad stuff come down the pipes.

[irockprettyhard]

Yeah I don't really trust 360 fans tastes in music, what with all the screaming 13 year olds I heard on halo, there might be some pretty bad stuff come down the pipes.
loltrust me, not all 13 year olds are like that (atleast not yet, 9/04/ is coming...)

[aggiesrul8]

loltrust me, not all 13 year olds are like that (atleast not yet, 9/04/ is coming...)

Explanations are no longer required... ;)

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

Yeah I don't really trust 360 fans tastes in music, what with all the screaming 13 year olds I heard on halo, there might be some pretty bad stuff come down the pipes.


You do know that screaming 13 year olds are not in the bands that are submitting their music to RBN right?

Plus if you're worried about the screaming 13 year olds deciding what music goes onto the service, then I'd suggest to you that I don't know a lot of screaming 13 year olds who can spring a $100 to pay for the service.

On top of the fact that HMX said we are only judging on technical aspects and gameplay.

Music taste is not up for debate on the tracks.

So I'm not sure what your argument was any more.

[hmxsean]

If you haven't noticed, PS3 and Wii always get the 2nd hand from HMX. The precious XBox always gets first dibs on everything.

And again for those who haven't been paying attention in the back - we have been in touch with all the consoles for a long time. This project is over 16 months old on our end. Right now the 360 was the only console that had the infrastructure in place to support something like this. It isn't as easy as just patching our game. There has to be full support and infrastructure from the consoles as well.

And again - we are still in contact with all the first party consoles and would love nothing more than to be universal. at the moment, though, it just isn't possible.

[psivenn]

Speaking of patching the game, how's that coming along? :)

I'm really looking forward to RBN, even if I do have to wait until next year for it...

[defenestrater]

Im pretty confident it'll show up on the ps3 and wii sooner or later. It sucks that one console gets it before the rest, but its also understandable given the specific circumstances.

EDIT: Also, this thread is cruelly titled. Talk about getting someone's hopes up! :(

[Chris Kleyla]

You do know that screaming 13 year olds are not in the bands that are submitting their music to RBN right?

Plus if you're worried about the screaming 13 year olds deciding what music goes onto the service, then I'd suggest to you that I don't know a lot of screaming 13 year olds who can spring a $100 to pay for the service.

On top of the fact that HMX said we are only judging on technical aspects and gameplay.

Music taste is not up for debate on the tracks.

So I'm not sure what your argument was any more.

You clearly had no Idea as to what I was talking about because from the looks of it you haven't been doing alot of reading so I'll put it in short for you. Since RBN will only be on the xbox for the time being only the most popular songs from RBN will be taken to the ps3 and wii along with the weekly does of dlc thus xbox users in a way will be deciding what dlc from RBN makes it to the other consoles. (I would put the supporting quotations in but I'm far too lazy)

[Sayburr]

Speaking of patching the game, how's that coming along? :)

I'm really looking forward to RBN, even if I do have to wait until next year for it...


When RBN gets rolled out, sometime after the Beta is done... say September or October I am sure we will see the patch...

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

You clearly had no Idea as to what I was talking about because from the looks of it you haven't been doing alot of reading so I'll put it in short for you. Since RBN will only be on the xbox for the time being only the most popular songs from RBN will be taken to the ps3 and wii along with the weekly does of dlc thus xbox users in a way will be deciding what dlc from RBN makes it to the other consoles. (I would put the supporting quotations in but I'm far too lazy)


No they said select songs will be coming to RBN for the other systems.

Nothing about popular ;)

[Chris Kleyla]

No they said select songs will be coming to RBN for the other systems.

Nothing about popular ;)

so when they say "select" what do you think they mean. Do you think they're going to get Apples drunk and play pin the tail on the dlc although that is a pretty sweet idea. :cool:

[IronPanda106]

Yeah I don't really trust 360 fans tastes in music, what with all the screaming 13 year olds I heard on halo, there might be some pretty bad stuff come down the pipes.

Uh.. riiiiight... As a frequent player on the 360, I can honestly say that the youngest person I've met playing Rock Band is 17. I mostly run into people in their mid-to-late 20's and early 30's.
Halo and Call of Duty are where the "screaming 13 year olds" hang out, which I find kind of ironic considering that both games are rated M and Rock Band is only T. I blame their parents!
Haha, jk. I'm all about teenagers going around being loud and obnoxious pretending they're real tough stuff by shooting other people with a controller. :cool:

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

so when they say "select" what do you think they mean. Do you think they're going to get Apples drunk and play pin the tail on the dlc although that is a pretty sweet idea. :cool:


I heard it was Magnet.

[CycoMiko138]

so when they say "select" what do you think they mean. Do you think they're going to get Apples drunk and play pin the tail on the dlc although that is a pretty sweet idea. :cool:

I think they mean that Harmonix will pick the songs, like they do already with no complaints from me.:D

(360 and 34 yrs. old, btw)

[aggiesrul8]

so when they say "select" what do you think they mean. Do you think they're going to get Apples drunk and play pin the tail on the dlc although that is a pretty sweet idea. :cool:

Wait, I thought that was how DLC was chosen in the HMX offices? Drunken Dart tosses at the mystical DLC dartboard???

[silentknell]

No they said select songs will be coming to RBN for the other systems.

Nothing about popular ;)

In the official Rock Band Network thread, starting on page 74, I wrote the following.


1. Has it been answered in this thread yet about the requirements that need to be met for these songs to be transferred over to the non-XBOX360 consoles? As in, what will constitute "Stand Out Tracks"?

a) If it is based on the number of individual purchase, exactly how many purchases will there need to be?

b) If it is based on the amount of dollars that a song makes, then what is the exact amount of dollars that a song needs to pass in order to be transferred?

c) Or is it based on some other factor/s? If so, what are they?

2. Will there be any other way besides being hand picked by HMX for the bands to get particular tracks over to non-XBOX360 console when they fail to meet the above guideline?


Again, it would be really disappointing for other console owners to not get their favorite indie band's songs just because XBOX360 owners failed to buy them to the given standard. And before I go around telling different bands about Rock Band Network, I'd like to inform them about this situation as much as possible too, and for that I need some clear guidelines. I personally don't want to give them the wrong idea that they are going to be catering to everyone who owns Rock Band 2, but just a portion of them unless they are able to meet such-and-such guidelines.

Later added that:


Since the time I wrote that, I also realized that HMX's "Stand Out Tracks" could also be determined by popularity. As in, bands competing for the top sales, and HMX choosing from the ones that made the most sales. But if this is the case, then would it be based on the top sales of each individual week or overall cumulative sales? I just really prefer to give all of that bands I like as much of a head's up as possible, giving them a realistic expectations on whether they can get the exposure they'd like from the whole Rock Band base, or just half of them. Any information that you guys can relay on this matter is appreciated.

The official answer given by HMX on page 85 was:


1) Yes and No. There will be many factors such as RBN popularity, Band popularity, HMX picks, fan favorites, etc..

2) Possibly in the future. Depends if we can get RBN working on the other consoles. That's our goal (to have RBN running on all consoles).

I think, for now, HMX feels it's necessary to be as vague as possible, despite how unsigned bands may feel about it. Which, when you consider the extra work HMX employees would have to do, is probably understandable. In this tough economy, they probably don't want to back themselves into a corner with their own words. But either way, popularity seems to be one of their factors.

[Chris Kleyla]

in the official rock band network thread, starting on page 74, i wrote the following.



Later added that:



The official answer given by hmx on page 85 was:



I think, for now, hmx feels it's necessary to be as vague as possible, despite how unsigned bands may feel about it. Which, when you consider the extra work hmx employees would have to do, is probably understandable. In this tough economy, they probably don't want to back themselves into a corner with their own words. But either way, popularity seems to be one of their factors.


in your face noble! :d

[Ardius]

Fell from what?

Ye of little faith...

Actually, although I disagree with what he was originally on about, Sony have fallen from what made them really great before - low royalties and good devkits to slightly higher royalties and relatively less accessible devkits. Not to mention their new(er) architecture isnt making it easy for developers compared to the PS1/PS2 days, hence why lots of 3rd party developers went to the Wii, as it essentially uses old architecture.
Sony really needs to release a competitor of sorts to XNA really.

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

in your face noble! :d


I thought you didn't like the 13 year old shenanigans of xbox live ;)

[JackBNimble]

Actually, although I disagree with what he was originally on about, Sony have fallen from what made them really great before - low royalties and good devkits to slightly higher royalties and relatively less accessible devkits. Not to mention their new(er) architecture isnt making it easy for developers compared to the PS1/PS2 days, hence why lots of 3rd party developers went to the Wii, as it essentially uses old architecture.
Sony really needs to release a competitor of sorts to XNA really.

What 3rd parties did sony lose to the wii?

And the phyre engine is in the works so hopefully that will help devs not to mention the ps3 dev kit.

I think sony is doing just fine and I am also sure they are working on an equvalent to the XNA.

[Fender_178]

Im thinking that the RBN possible with the PS3 at some point down the road if HMX is willing to do it. But the wii I dont think so. Considering the Wii doesn't support patches.

[Chris Kleyla]

I thought you didn't like the 13 year old shenanigans of xbox live ;)

You got me! ROFL :cool:

[dragonflyr]

Im thinking that the RBN possible with the PS3 at some point down the road if HMX is willing to do it.

from my understanding, this is a limitation with the psn. i'm sure hmx would love all console to be in the mix .. that just means more $$ for all involved and more happy fans. but, currently, psn just doesn't have the architecture in place for something like this right now. but, i would think sony would see the opportunity and, hopefully, try to get on board in the not too distant future.

[cutmaclass]

It disgusts me to see everyone talking about how "the 360 always gets support from Harmonix while the PS3 and Wii get the finger."

Don't blame Harmonix or Microsoft! XNA (the network on which RBN is starting) has been around for quite a few years now; it's not Harmonix's fault that Sony and Nintendo haven't created a standardized service with which indie developers can create stuff.

Geeze :mad:

Realistically speaking, I have no idea how Harmonix would bring RBN over to the PS3 unless Sony made a system that's exactly like XNA, which is far from likely.

[iruhlman]

What 3rd parties did sony lose to the wii?

And the phyre engine is in the works so hopefully that will help devs not to mention the ps3 dev kit.

I think sony is doing just fine and I am also sure they are working on an equvalent to the XNA.

(Sean) you should macro the reply, I've seen you hand type it at least a dozen different times by now. ;)

its nice to think that, but in reality and given the PS3's track record this gen, I highly doubt it. and if they are, you wouldn't see it this year or next probably. or like Home it will be in beta for many years.

Look at GH5, its going to support 360's avatars and Mii's for the Wii, don't you want it to support your Home guy also? You do understand why it can't right? Same with XNA. It's not just HMX that seems to not support Sony. Activision has even threatened to pull its games from Sony unless they shape up this gen and give a price drop or something. Sony isn't leading with innovation this generation (IMO), MS clearly has the ball in their court and respectively developers are right beside them.

and as far as the Wii, could Wiiware even handle this? I haven't seen how you buy songs for RB on the Wii but I had doubts it would even work at all given that systems capabilities, I was proved wrong there so maybe Sony will prove me wrong as well. I say the more the merier but I just don't think is in a position to pull this off. XNA has been successful so makes sense to just stick with this setup and the next evolution of the RBN could then incorporate Wii and PS3 if they have everything in place.

just my 2 cents.

[Sitkemkev]

Me, as a PS3 user, would love to see RBN come to PS3 users to its full extent. Hell, I might even buy a 360 because of this, but all the songs... all the money I spent on the PS3RB songs... makes me want to cry. I know the PS3 will never get RBN, and I know PSN is the shorter end of the stick when it comes to service, but I guess the FREE part is what I get slapped in the face in the long run. Maybe I'll wait for the 720, but damn, I enjoy music too much to miss out on RBN. Plus, since I am in a band, can even contribute. Have all the equipment.

[bengino]

I know that some people are always going to say that there is going to be some bias towards the 360, truth of the matter has already been explained by Sean. Sony has not put in any tools to let indy developers put any material on the network, that and the fact that Sony is also charging the companies to put content on their network. Sony has the free PSN, but free at the cost of companies and lack of tools? Seems like the raw deal you are getting is not from Harmonix's standpoint, but from Sony at the end of the day.

[xxjoesusxx]

Yeah I don't really trust 360 fans tastes in music, what with all the screaming 13 year olds I heard on halo, there might be some pretty bad stuff come down the pipes.

This is the kind of ignorance that almost pulls me into these stupid console wars, fanboys acting arrogant and profiling people based on a piece of entertainment hardware.

The 360 has a larger install base than the ps3, both in console and Rock Band sales, that means a larger amount of Rock Band users and music fans are on that console anyway, with a potentially more varied taste in music based on the numbers. I fail to see how among all those people there can't be a single user who isn't thirteen and has good taste in music.

Then again, you heard the stereotypes on a message board, so it must be true.

For the record, I play Halo, I play CoD, and I don't run into children anywhere near frequently enough for there to be such a widely exaggerated stereotype about it.

[lanky316]

The 360 has a larger install base than the ps3, both in console and Rock Band sales, that means a larger amount of Rock Band users and music fans are on that console anyway, with a potentially more varied taste in music based on the numbers. I fail to see how among all those people there can't be a single user who isn't thirteen and has good taste in music.


Of course they have more sales for Rock Band on the 360. They do all they can to avoid releasing it on the other platforms ;)

[jonoo24]

from my understanding, this is a limitation with the psn. i'm sure hmx would love all console to be in the mix .. that just means more $$ for all involved and more happy fans. but, currently, psn just doesn't have the architecture in place for something like this right now. but, i would think sony would see the opportunity and, hopefully, try to get on board in the not too distant future.

No, the PSN is just as capable now. The problem is making and uploading the songs. HMX needed to build their own XNA, because even if PS3 had an XNA equivalent, wouldn't you need to chart it twice? Once for XNA and one for Sony?

[pale2hall]

Im ready to do anything to hlp.

[pracer]

You do know that screaming 13 year olds are not in the bands that are submitting their music to RBN right?

Plus if you're worried about the screaming 13 year olds deciding what music goes onto the service, then I'd suggest to you that I don't know a lot of screaming 13 year olds who can spring a $100 to pay for the service.

On top of the fact that HMX said we are only judging on technical aspects and gameplay.

Music taste is not up for debate on the tracks.

So I'm not sure what your argument was any more.

Wha Wha Wha why doesn't everyone like PS3 and Hate xb360 likeI do?

Last I checked the average age of an xb360 Live member was 31 yr old. Sure kids play, esp Halo. FPS is a genere over run with kids. When you wade in the kiddie pool, your going to be tripping over the kids.

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

Wha Wha Wha why doesn't everyone like PS3 and Hate xb360 likeI do?

Last I checked the average age of an xb360 Live member was 31 yr old. Sure kids play, esp Halo. FPS is a genere over run with kids. When you wade in the kiddie pool, your going to be tripping over the kids.

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

I have both a PS3 and a 360.

I mainly play the 360, and play the PS3 for the sony exclusives.

I'm almost 37.

I'm not exactly sure where you got I was pro PS3 and hated the 360 out of my post.

My 120,000 gamerscore on my 360 would argue that I like my 360 just fine.

[thebay408]

And again for those who haven't been paying attention in the back - we have been in touch with all the consoles for a long time. This project is over 16 months old on our end. Right now the 360 was the only console that had the infrastructure in place to support something like this. It isn't as easy as just patching our game. There has to be full support and infrastructure from the consoles as well.

And again - we are still in contact with all the first party consoles and would love nothing more than to be universal. at the moment, though, it just isn't possible.

and it doesn't hurt that microsoft keeps throwing money at you guys for exclusives

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

and it doesn't hurt that microsoft keeps throwing money at you guys for exclusives


Yeah but that has nothing to do with the fact that Sony doesn't have the structure set up for this.

[iruhlman]

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

I have both a PS3 and a 360.

I mainly play the 360, and play the PS3 for the sony exclusives.

I'm almost 37.

I'm not exactly sure where you got I was pro PS3 and hated the 360 out of my post.

My 120,000 gamerscore on my 360 would argue that I like my 360 just fine.

120k. very nice, that's double mine!

I'm similar to you as well, I own both but my 54k Gamerscore tells me I lean more towards my 360. I even have the Wii as well but I never play it. lol