GH issues solved in Rock Band?

[PurpleHaze]

As wonderful as GH was, there are a couple of issues I'm hoping Harmonix are aware of and are addressing in Rock Band:

1. Burn-in - The score box in GH2 on the Xbox360 is quite possibly the worst thing I've ever come across for causing burn-in on a plasma screen. Hopefully this is being kept in mind in the design of Rock Band?

2. Lag - I won't bother getting into the technical reasons, but the lag calibration in GH2 simply didn't work on all setups, including mine, and that seems to be a relatively common complaint around various forums. Hopefully the lag options in Rock Band will cater for all setups this time?

[Ca1amity]

After logging countless hours with GHII for 360 on my plasma television the scorebox has been ghosted into my not yet 1yr old TV. Luckily I caught it early and it only shows up with any prominence when the screen is black (but not when rendering black - as in shadows for a movie - thank god) and you have to be pretty close to appreciate the damage.

Still, it could have been much worse - it may get worse when I'm done playing bioshock and need a quick hit while waiting for rock band.

The question I pose to informed forum vets here and/or devs if they read/post is:

Have you implemented a system to prevent or at least alleviate burn in for us plasma owners?
Perhaps something like the HD network logos for CBS etc. in America that shift a little bit every once and a while so that the exact same pockets arent being used to display the same colour all the time. Maybe you have a better system - I just wanna hear you have *some* plan to let me play for 100s of hours without worry.

[parastroke7]

All I'm really concerned with is the synchronization issue. However, it would be nice if they made it to where it didn't burn things into your TV permanently.

Not being able to play RB on my HDTV will suck. My friends aren't going to want to play it in anything less than a big open area.

[Brock_Landers]

I just called the devs about this burn-in issue and they said that their solution is for you all to buy top-of-the-line $7,500 Kuro Plasmas

A next-gen solution for a next-gen game! :D

I feel for you guys though. That must suck.

[PsycoCheerio]

Playing at PAX...no lag...don't know about the burn-in issue...but the calibration was flawless

[IbanezBassist_v2]

Also, another issue to address would be....

1. Play less GH (Yeah right, I know)

2. Try not to leave your T.V. on for long periods of time will unattended. (i.e. getting stoned with all your little buddies and passing out) http://gcf.mysticserver.com/Smileys/classic/pimp3.gif

3. The "burns" come from a particular image being displayed on a screen for too long. It can surely almost happen to every type of monitor or screen. (Which I am sure most of you already know)

If you can eliminate, or even change up your game to give the set a "break" from what its been displaying for said amount of hours/days/weeks, you should be fine.

[Kylekillgannon]

This reminds me of a story of a dude who was watching porno, long story short an image from the video was permanently burned into the tv, and it was highly visible as he said

[sa_nick]

This reminds me of a story of a dude who was watching porno, long story short an image from the video was permanently burned into the tv, and it was highly visible as he said

What? did he pause it in 1 spot and leave it for a day or 2 each time he watched it?

[logicalnoise]

As wonderful as GH was, there are a couple of issues I'm hoping Harmonix are aware of and are addressing in Rock Band:

1. Burn-in - The score box in GH2 on the Xbox360 is quite possibly the worst thing I've ever come across for causing burn-in on a plasma screen. Hopefully this is being kept in mind in the design of Rock Band?

2. Lag - I won't bother getting into the technical reasons, but the lag calibration in GH2 simply didn't work on all setups, including mine, and that seems to be a relatively common complaint around various forums. Hopefully the lag options in Rock Band will cater for all setups this time?

Burn is only a problem for plasmas. You should've known that it's an issue with those kinds of tvs. LCD, DLP and CRTs are far more resistant to burn in.
While teh dev should always provide solutions for video/audio lag they can't possibly solve every cause fo lag. There's just too many combonations of random electronics that can cause it for whatever reason. If your getting an HD signal on a HD tv then it's up to you to solve your lag issues. The only way to impove would be giving an option of precise lag correction via sliders instead of the macro.

[PinkFloyd]

Burn-ins with plasma's is a well known issue, and most TV-manufacturers have taken this into account. I'm not fortunate enough to own one myself, but my parents' TV has a feature called pixel-offset. Basically, the image gets moved around the screen abit to prevent burning. This has zero effect on the viewability of the movie/game/TV-show.
You should've looked into this, since Rock Band won't be the only game that'll cause these kind of problems. Think of games with HUDs, or the network-logo's they put in the corner of the screen. A mate of mine also went for a plasma with out pixel shifting, and now he has the God of War hud, MTV-logo and the Private Spice porn-channel logo burnt into his screen.

[Apples]

With regards to plasma screen burn-in, I don't see how a flaw in the TV design should put a burden on the game developers to solve.

Every single game or TV show that has static content is going to have this identical problem. If I go buy Halo 3 and play it for days at a time, the HUD/interface for that would burn in. If I watch ESPN religiously long enough, the logo would burn in the corner.

Not to be smug or a smart-ass, but it would have made more sense to buy a better gaming TV in the first place. Plasmas have had a bad reputation in gaming circles for a long time. Both of the problems mentioned by the original post are moot in the presence of a good HDTV set.

[MartyMcFly]

With regards to plasma screen burn-in, I don't see how a flaw in the TV design should put a burden on the game developers to solve.

Every single game or TV show that has static content is going to have this identical problem. If I go buy Halo 3 and play it for days at a time, the HUD/interface for that would burn in. If I watch ESPN religiously long enough, the logo would burn in the corner.

Not to be smug or a smart-ass, but it would have made more sense to buy a better gaming TV in the first place. Plasmas have had a bad reputation in gaming circles for a long time. Both of the problems mentioned by the original post are moot in the presence of a good HDTV set.

In conclusion: LCD > Plasma for gaming

[PurpleHaze]

... sigh ...

Firstly, please note that it was not me that resurrected my fairly old post.

Secondly, I am fully aware that burn-in is an inherent problem with plasma. It's a question of pros and cons - I did look at LCDs, and it's probably a matter of taste, but personally I have yet to see a single LCD screen that I like - they all seem to noticeably blur on fast moving images, which is very relevant for gaming, and they all seem to have very noticeable edge artifacts. Anyway, whether you think plasma or LCD or whatever is "best" - that doesn't stop the fact that a lot of people do have plasma sets, and that there are things that Harmonix can do to lessen burn-in - such as to use lower contrast colours for the score box, ie. not bright white, or move it's location a small random amount at the start of each song. It's certainly not a "deal breaker" issue, but I'd like to think they're keeping it in mind.

Also, on the topic of lag, I'm not interested in playing any ridiculous "my tv's better than your tv" games. The fact is that the lag options in GH1/2 were not perfect - Harmonix themselves have acknowledged this, and in another thread assured us that the lag system in Rock Band has been significantly changed and should work much better.

[AVC808]

while i dont want to get into the whole plasma v. lcd debate... I think it should just be reiterated that older plasmas will have burn in issues, but i would think by this point most sets would be "broken in" and not have a burn in issue anymore. newer sets are supposed to combat burn in better and again should not be an issue. i dont think any game developer thinks about burn-in and probably shouldnt have to because it is likely not an issue for most of us at this point.