PS3 Guitar Compatibility - UPDATE 12/12/2007 [Archive]

hmxowlbear

12-12-2007, 07:53 AM

Hi Everyone,

As we have said in the past, Harmonix and MTV Games believe in an open standard philosophy of hardware and game compatibility. We think that there should be interoperability between music instrument controllers across all music games. This is clearly in the best interest of consumers, game developers and console manufacturers and will only help to grow the music game genre as well as inspire innovation and creativity.

Two weeks ago, Harmonix created a software patch for the Sony PLAYSTATION 3 version of Rock Band that allowed for guitar compatibility and support for third party peripherals, including enabling use of Activision's Guitar Hero III controller with Rock Band. The compatibility patch was submitted, approved and had been scheduled for release by Sony on Tuesday, December 4. Unfortunately, Activision objected to the compatibility patch's release. The patch remains with Sony, but we have been told that it will unfortunately not be released due to Activision's continued objection.

As is the case with the Microsoft Xbox360, we believe that Sony PLAYSTATION 3 users should be able to use the peripheral of their choice with Rock Band. We sincerely hope that Activision will reverse its decision and allow release of the compatibility patch and further, that Activision will allow Guitar Hero III to support Rock Band guitar controllers as well. We welcome all third party developers who wish to support our controllers and will provide any required support in order for them to do so.

We believe that when consumers have choice, everyone wins. Harmonix and MTV Games hope that Activision and others will also adopt this philosophy.

Sincerely,
The Harmonix Team

Blijack

12-12-2007, 07:55 AM

Come on Activision, stop being biotchez

sweett310

12-12-2007, 07:57 AM

...as the rest of the country continues to wait for replacement guitars....

carlnorum

12-12-2007, 08:00 AM

How do I contact Activision to express my displeasure?

cmckay1

12-12-2007, 08:00 AM

What could they possibly gain by holding that back for PS3 users?

Cyndair

12-12-2007, 08:03 AM

Wow.... Thanks Harmonix for trying to set this right. This has to be frustrating for you.

I just don't even know what to say. I'm so totally disgusted with Activision right now. If there was a way for me to return GH3, I would in a heartbeat. I'm going to send a letter and give them a phone call and let them know how upsetting this is but I don't think it is going to do a whole lot of good unfortunately. :(

boardumb

12-12-2007, 08:03 AM

Great, and with the warranty replacement guitar I received not functioning, I have no way of playing the guitar on the ps3 now.

MrE

12-12-2007, 08:04 AM

I'm curious as to how Activision is able to hault compatibility on the PS3 but not the 360.

MF-PO'd

12-12-2007, 08:04 AM

EVERYONE needs to contact Activision over this disgusting action. I plan to send e-mails daily. I can't even put into words how (re-)angered I am once again over this situation. :mad:

sweett310

12-12-2007, 08:04 AM

How do I contact Activision to express my displeasure?

I agree....we need a sticky with a phone number or email address for Activision.

jq715861

12-12-2007, 08:05 AM

Well it's looks like I was right in selling back GH3 for 50 dollars. The guitar hero series is now dead to me. It will only live on in memory.

I'd like to see how they could possibly spin this into good PR. Terrible decision that makes absolutely no sense.

GH3 = Godfather 3

ms3boy

12-12-2007, 08:05 AM

I just went to activision.com and went to the support section and submitted my question asking why they are blocking the patch. I suggest others do the same.

Hopefully we can put the pressure on Activision to back down. I don't see Sony standing up to Activision now that they command a much larger empire (due to the merger).

onemadbeastie

12-12-2007, 08:07 AM

i'm boycotting activision :mad:

why the animosity all of a sudden from Activision/RO? don't they see it would be a win-win for all?

when contacting try to:

Be polite
Keep the information concise and to the point
Include a brief history of the issue, if applicable
Do not accept being passed back to "Customer Services" or elsewhere within the organisation
Insist on a reply from the CEO

some point of contacts:

Activision, Inc.
DBA Vicarious Visions

mlataif@activision.com (valid) Maryanne Lataif - VP - Corporate Communications
ir@activision.com investor relations (valid)
hr@activision.com human resourses (valid)
support@activision.com(no longer works) cs7@activision.com(got back an automated response to use the support form on their website) customer support

Address: 3100 Ocean Park Blvd.
Santa Monica, CA 90405 Other Addresses:

Primary Phone: (310) 255-2000
Other Phone Numbers: (310) 255-2050
Connie Fox or Lauren Barry (310) 255-2509

Primary Fax: (310) 255-2152
Other Fax Numbers: (310) 255-2151

Contacts:

Robert Kotick bkotick@activision.com (valid)
CEO

Assistants to Robert Kotick
Connie Fox cfox@activision.com (valid)
Lauren Barry lbarry@activision.com(valid)

Phil Terzian
Sr. Director of Government Affairs

Rich Robinson
VP Quality Assurance/Customer Support

Dyer Ashley
Sr. Manager Corporate Communications

Gary Bolduc
Customer Service Manager

George Rose
Senior VP/Bus Affair, Gen Cnsl

Mike Hill
Customer Support Manager

*if you have trouble getting through you can also try to call after office hours and get through to the employees directory or dial the first few letters of the persons last name to be transferred to their direct line, voice mail, or assistant in charge of thier calls.

Evster

12-12-2007, 08:10 AM

WTF, doesn't Activision want to sell more guitars? I feel with this patch they would sell more GH3 bundles. I DID IT! I had gh3 for ps2, but got it for ps3 because I heard of this patch. But now it isn't happening. Doesn't make sense to me.

DoctorWho

12-12-2007, 08:11 AM

Wow, now it is official!

Activision is getting NOTHING but hate mail from me and we need to prove a point by BOYCOTTING all of their products from now on!!!!

Harmonix Team, THANK YOU for the update!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sweett310

12-12-2007, 08:11 AM

http://www.activision.com/index.html
--> Contact Us (bottom right of screen)

Send comments!!!! BOYCOTT!!

Aldous

12-12-2007, 08:12 AM

GH3 = Godfather 3

LOL

i just sent an email to activision and i plan on boycotting all games made by the company. This is total BS.

Thanks for the info on this harmonix. I guess you have to change your ps3 packaging to reflect the fact that no other guitars will work with RB.

jasoncourt

12-12-2007, 08:15 AM

I think alot of this is in our hands now. We've got to put the consumer pressure on Activision. So come on all you PS3 owners and everyone else who believes in what's right...let's get em! (cheesy yes, but also serious)

This seems like a good place to start: http://activision.custhelp.com
If anyone has a better link please post it.

abricko

12-12-2007, 08:16 AM

Activision doesn't realize that a lot of people bought GH3 knowing they were going to use the guitar for RB as a bass... they made a lot of money due to this and were able to post good results... this helped them out a ton... what they also don't realize is by them playing hardball and not releasing online content... they will not be able to continue to compete with RB in the coming years.

This whole situation has left a sour taste in my mouth, sure i'm upset they work on XBOX and not PS3 and that there are no standalone guitars out yet. It's ok, Activision can keep playing hard ball when the standalone guitars come out we'll all buy them and the market will be flooded with GH3 games and guitars. What's the point of keeping GH3 anymore if they don't release new downloadable content and if they are playing dirty to stay ahead.

Goodbye Activision!

Maybe someone will leak it to us.

PaleSaint

12-12-2007, 08:16 AM

I agree, this in no way favors Activision, why would they do it.

I was planning to buy GH3 since I wanted an extra guitar for RB and also because I want to play the songs that are in GH3 but not on RB.

But, because of this they just lost a sale. C'mon people let's flood their customer support lines:

http://www.activision.com/index.html#

sweett310

12-12-2007, 08:17 AM

Thanks for the info on this harmonix. I guess you have to change your ps3 packaging to reflect the fact that no other guitars will work with RB.

Untrue. As stated in a previous post, Harmonix has stated that their game is "open", meaning any "open" guitar will work. The problem came about because Activision's GHIII guitar is NOT "open". If you buy any third party guitar, it should still work.

Aldous

12-12-2007, 08:18 AM

Untrue. As stated in a previous post, Harmonix has stated that their game is "open", meaning any "open" guitar will work. The problem came about because Activision's GHIII guitar is NOT "open". If you buy any third party guitar, it should still work.

What third party guitars? Am i missing something

SoulScreme

12-12-2007, 08:18 AM

psDragon

12-12-2007, 08:19 AM

Thanks for the link.

I just posted how displeased I was and that I would no longer be purchasing Activision products in the future.

If they get a few thousands of those I'm sure they will re think their decision.

sweett310

12-12-2007, 08:22 AM

What third party guitars? Am i missing something

I'm not talking of any one in particular. But when GH and GHII exploded on the scene a few years back, there were plenty of non Red-Octane guitars on the market. I don't know if there are any out there right now, but give it time, once the holiday season comes to a close I'm sure there will be some.

And yes, I know, that doesn't help anyone now. Believe me, as I am one who is waiting on my replacement guitar to arrive like many of you are, I am sorely missing playing guitar on RB.

NotorietyH

12-12-2007, 08:22 AM

Well I sent off a big ranty, strongly worded comment to Activision. It takes a lot to get me to go to those lengths as I've held off on making any sort of complaint, rant, etc. etc. until it was confirmed exactly what was going on with the guitar compatibility issue. There is no way in any shape of form that this makes a lick of business or any other type of sense. they're just being *****s out of spite or bitterness. I'm really tempted to smash GHIII and the controller to pieces and mail it to them and I'm going to warn every one of my friends not to buy GHIII. Seems like Call of Duty 4 is the last Activision game I'll ever have bought.

DoctorWho

12-12-2007, 08:22 AM

Use the support link and E-mail their tech support team, I just did.

PLEASE lets not completely flame them, sound professional and be clear and concice. But do let them know that NO ONE will be buying Activision products from this fiasco...

Aldous

12-12-2007, 08:23 AM

I'm not talking of any one in particular. But when GH and GHII exploded on the scene a few years back, there were plenty of non Red-Octane guitars on the market. I don't know if there are any out there right now, but give it time, once the holiday season comes to a close I'm sure there will be some.

And yes, I know, that doesn't help anyone now. Believe me, as I am one who is waiting on my replacement guitar to arrive like many of you are, I am sorely missing playing guitar on RB.

Look at the cover of the PS3 game it says compatible with "most music game controllers" It did not say future music game controllers.

dlk10000

12-12-2007, 08:24 AM

Just sent them my displeasure as well. I have a copy of GHIII sitting here unopened that will be going back to the store tomorrow. Everyone here is right though, we need to let Activision know this is ridiculous.

TuRDMaN

12-12-2007, 08:24 AM

Finally HMX let us know what is really going on. THANK YOU! Now we can direct all our hate towards the appropriate people :D

zippocage

12-12-2007, 08:24 AM

I just send Activision an email asking them to please approve the patch using their contact us form on the web page.

If you own Rockband PS3, please do the same!

sarkster@sarkster.com

12-12-2007, 08:25 AM

I have voiced my displeasure to Activision via email. I would encourage every member of these forums to do the same, PS3 or not, this is a fundamental matter of putting spite for another dev/publisher in front of servicing customers.

BOYCOTT is the only language these people understand. Vote with your wallets, folks!

Huskie

12-12-2007, 08:25 AM

More direct way to get to their "Contact Us" buried in their Flash pages?

http://www.activision.com/index.html?module=contact

derrikirred

12-12-2007, 08:25 AM

Already sent an email. This is ridiculous.

ktm450exc

12-12-2007, 08:25 AM

So I guess writing a patch to use the PS3 controller, or a PS3 arcade controller, and including a "button mapping" feature isn't feasible?

Don't call it a "guitar compatibility" patch, call it a "SIXAXIS controller with button mapping" patch. Then have an EULA that says "You are prohibited from using an Activision GH3 controller with this game." It wouldn't be your fault someone plugs in a GH3 controller, fingers some buttons, flip-flops a strummer, and whammies a whammy bar.

Quyrean

12-12-2007, 08:26 AM

I think it is Sony that needs to step up and declare that all third party controlers should be compatable. I think that is why 360 works.

If Sony learns that people will be buying xbox instead of playstation because of compatability reasons, perhaps they will fix this problem.

If I wanted incompatible stuff, I would by a PC. This is totally irresponsible of SONY to allow this stuff to go on on their console. All regular controlers are compatible, why not guitars?

Zelandia

12-12-2007, 08:29 AM

I'll be voicing my displeasure very very soon. I just don't understand why they are trying to stop the patch from being released. The 360 controller works... why not let the PS3?

sarkster@sarkster.com

12-12-2007, 08:30 AM

I have just submitted this to Eurogamer as news. I urge as many of you to bombard games sites with this, get them to run a story and rightfully shame Activision.

sweett310

12-12-2007, 08:30 AM

Look at the cover of the PS3 game it says compatible with "most music game controllers" It did not say future music game controllers.

Touchet. I got nothing then.

brambler

12-12-2007, 08:32 AM

Only reason I bought their game was to get another guitar for Rock Band. I hope they realize they are losing sales by doing this BS!

I don't see how it would be illegal for this patch to be released. Sony should tell Activision to eat a fat one and just release the damn thing!

Is Activision just jealous that Harmonix made a better game or what?

SuburbanHell

12-12-2007, 08:32 AM

How do I contact Activision to express my displeasure?

Likewise. I'll be boycotting Activision for this nonsense.

Magnet

12-12-2007, 08:34 AM

Thank you for clarifying this, Harmonix. When Activision decided to block this patch, they probably weren't expecting it to get out in the open like this and backfire much, but I'm glad you guys are letting everyone know the truth. If they continue to block the release of this patch, I guarantee that I will never be buying another Guitar Hero franchise item in my life.

Here's hoping this situation turns around quickly. I'm off to send my e-mail to Activision now to let them know that they're in the process of losing a customer.

It's completely ridiculous that they would take sure a pro-active stance on prohibiting people from enjoying Guitar Hero III's hardware even more with another game.

ManOwaR

12-12-2007, 08:34 AM

gr8whtd0pe

12-12-2007, 08:35 AM

I don't know this still doesn't sit right with me, why would Activision do this?

But why is there no patch to stop the 360's from working then? This all just screams PR bs to keep us quiet for awhile

toad3000

12-12-2007, 08:35 AM

I already e-mailed Activision, not only to encourage them to release the patch, but also to let them know that this would influence my decision to buy their products in the future. Between the Guitar Hero franchise and the fact that they're merging with Blizzard, that could stand to hurt...but dammit, they deserve it.

srkishy

12-12-2007, 08:36 AM

I also just sent a very strongly worded email to activision, and I do urge everyone on these forums to do the same. This isn't just about the ps3 compatibility, but about corporate responsibility to the consumer. This type of business is just rediculous, boycott, they'll have to listen.

Lareden

12-12-2007, 08:36 AM

So is there going to be a reduced compatibility patch for 360?

Dumb move by Activision, I was all set to go out and buy GH3. Glad I waited.

sarkster@sarkster.com

12-12-2007, 08:36 AM

Yes, of course, because HMX would say something that leaves them open to an almighty legal whipping!

COME ON MAN! THINK!

ManOwaR

12-12-2007, 08:36 AM

First step people. http://www.activision.com/index.html click contact us. Email smartly and reference the above announcement post. If you just swear and act like a moron it won't help.

Again, click http://www.activision.com/index.html

then click contact us.

carlnorum

12-12-2007, 08:37 AM

I just sent activision a letter as well. Hopefully they'll do an about-face on this ridiculous idea.

If not, anybody else in the bay area who wants to smash some guitars over at RedOctane?

Jodicus

12-12-2007, 08:37 AM

I posted them as well telling them I was going to buy GH3 so I could use both the guitars from GH3 and RB, but I then went to tell them I would not be buying any of thier products including GH3 unless I patch was delivered. I find it outrageous that 360 owners don't get restricted (nothing against them) but it is unfair.

derrikirred

12-12-2007, 08:37 AM

Lets get this on the front page of digg.

http://digg.com/playstation/Activision_blocks_release_of_Rock_Band_compatibili ty_patch

Titannica

12-12-2007, 08:38 AM

I have sent an email to Activision expressing my displeasure and I encourage all others who feel affected by this issue to do the same!

Even 360 owners should express concerns to Activision, because there are rumors that Activision wants a patch created that will disable GH guitars in the 360 version of Rock Band. Even if you don't believe those rumors or could care less about the plight of PS3 owners, you should care about this from the viewpoint of a video game consumer - next time it could be you.

Gatorguy91

12-12-2007, 08:38 AM

(1-310-255-2050)

Haha... YES!! LIVE ACTIVISION SUPPORT!!!

FLAMING TIME!

gamingeek

12-12-2007, 08:39 AM

So what the hell are PS3 owners who bought a standalone copy of the game supposed to do now? You have sold us an unplayable game. I really do not care what Activision is doing to block the patch. I want to know what your company is going to do for those of us who have been unable to play the game you sold us!

bmslynch

12-12-2007, 08:39 AM

oddroot

12-12-2007, 08:39 AM

My letter:

You guys are in the wrong blocking this patch. While you watch the numbers you had in GH3 slip and the online community disappear onto to RB, you should know that even RB will run it's course. And at the end, DLC, will be a continuing revenue stream for you.

By not being cooperative in making your guitar operative in RB (and honestly from a user perspective, allowing for the RB guitar to work on GH3), you are removing all of my want/need/desire to ever play your game again. I will take my DLC dollars elsewhere.

Glad to hear Activision does not want my money, you've taken the last 100$ you will see from me,

"Long term, you can't go against what the consumer wants," said Huang.

Thanks and a Merry Christmas to you too,

odd

edit: Huang == Red Octane co-founder and VP Charles Huang

blazinut

12-12-2007, 08:42 AM

I emailed them also....this is such a shame....

fury66

12-12-2007, 08:43 AM

hey guys i just sent an email to activision and i will be doing so all day for many days to come. others on this thread have done the same, i suggest we all do until activision responds.

Maggot_Brain

12-12-2007, 08:45 AM

Wow, Activision sure is a bunch of rhymes-with-grass holes.

And I don't even own a PS3.

Lareden

12-12-2007, 08:45 AM

Aldous

12-12-2007, 08:45 AM

Can someone please explain to me why Activision can pick a random company and decide to make decisions on how they make or do not make updates to their games? Does Harmonix need to run all decisions through them in the future if they decide to add or delete other features in their own game? This makes no sense to me at all.

There is probably something special about the guitar, in activisions horrible eula it says that the les paul is forbidden to be used with other games.
It's a very petty move on the part of activision. Reminds of playing basketball as a kid. When the kid who brought the ball to the playground gets upset because he is losing, and decides to leave taking his ball.
I hope Activision stops acting like spoiled brats who don't want to share their toys.

Titannica

12-12-2007, 08:47 AM

(1-310-255-2050)

Haha... YES!! LIVE ACTIVISION SUPPORT!!!

Has anyone gotten through to a rep yet? I am currently on hold.

Parah

12-12-2007, 08:48 AM

I could use every single expletive in the english language all at once right now.
*sigh*
GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Activision, SCREW YOU! I too will now boycott all of your products, and encourage all of my friends to do the same - UNTIL you allow this patch to go through.

And Sony, stop being a big wuss. Stand up and fight the Man - You're bigger than He is, anyway. Do what's right instead of worrying about losing business. Sometimes it just has to be done.

eVan_Diesel

12-12-2007, 08:48 AM

I shot off an e-mail. Who knows if it'll do any good....

bmslynch

12-12-2007, 08:51 AM

Why is it that when it came out for Xbox 360 Activision gave it the "oh well" treatment, but for ps3 owners they get their legal team involved? I rarely play any games at all, but the one game I did enjoy at friends' homes over the past couple years was Guitar Hero. I really got worked over in this mess, because I did not even own a game system before these two games came out. I read the articles how you could use Guitar Hero 3's controller in Rock Band, so I thought "not a bad deal, you get two games and one of them is four player." The only reason I chose to even buy a system at all was for these two games, and I chose ps3 over 360 simply because of the wireless controller. If only I knew all of this before hand, I either would've purchased a 360 or stayed out of this mess all together. Now I am stuck, mad at Activision for blocking a measly patch, mad at Sony for rolling over and not just realeasing it, and mad at Harmonix for not just getting it right the first time like they did for all of the 360 owners.

DeusTrinitas

12-12-2007, 08:52 AM

Something tells me that Activision's website is going to get hacked over this...

camleck

12-12-2007, 08:52 AM

Let's sue them. Class action style.:D

Aldous

12-12-2007, 08:53 AM

Something tells me that Activision's website is going to get hacked over this...

That would be awesome

Lareden

12-12-2007, 08:53 AM

Sony, stop being a big wuss. Stand up and fight the Man - You're bigger than He is, anyway. Do what's right instead of worrying about losing business. Sometimes it just has to be done.

Suggesting that someone who breaks the law is manly, is just stupid. And Sony is not bigger than Activision in the gaming market. Activision is huuuuge, they own just about everything.

jq715861

12-12-2007, 08:54 AM

Let's sue them. Class action style.:D

What are you going to sue them for? Emotional distress?

Fortheloveofgod

12-12-2007, 08:55 AM

dfjdejulio

12-12-2007, 08:56 AM

Activision is huuuuge, they own just about everything.
Especially after the Blizzard merger thing.

You know... I'm actually considering canceling my "World of Warcraft" account over this. I know the divisions are largely autonomous, but still, it's a way to send a message. (And I'm not raiding much lately anyway, spending more time playing Rock Band.)

Titannica

12-12-2007, 08:56 AM

I got through to an Activision Tech Support rep on the phone. He said that he was unaware of the existence of any sort of patch, so I read him the Harmonix statement at the opening of this thread. I discussed my frustrations with him and he said there wasn't really anything he could do since he dealt with Tech Support for games so he took down my concerns and entered them into the system and told me that someone MAY get in touch with me later.

I am just about to leave work, so I couldn't press the issue and demand to speak to a supervisor but I will do that when I call back tonight.

Parah

12-12-2007, 08:57 AM

DrumDemon666

12-12-2007, 08:57 AM

Here's my email to Activision. Feel free to use, edit to make your own, etc...

"I've been reading the news about the guitar compatibility issues between Guitar Hero 3's controller for use with Rock Band on the PS3. The official statement per Harmonix is that Activision WILL NOT allow the patch to go through for PS3 owners. Quite frankly, this is absurd seeing as Xbox 360 owners have the luxury of using their GH3 controllers on their 360 edition of Rock Band. This in no way is fair by any means. In fact, I will go through whatever proper channels I must go through to report this VERY poor business practice. Not simply because of the compatibility denial Activision has put upon Harmonix, but simply because of the principle. And trust me, I'm not a Harmonix fanboy, I'm simply one of many PS3 owners who quite frankly upset at the ridiculous lack of support and blatant disregard for the very same people that keep Activision in business by buying games like Guitar Hero 3. This is COMPLETELY uncalled for that Activision is unwilling to allow the patch. If this email has reached the right department, I would at least appreciate an email response instead of the brushoff Activision has already shown by disregarding its fans wishes. If this email hasn't reached the correct party, please see to it that it does. I'd personally love to hear how Activision justifies its staggering decision to not do right with their product when it's obvious another console has no problem.

Rick Carter. "

sweett310

12-12-2007, 08:57 AM

Activision sucks for doing this, but it is actually a really smart move to combat Rock Band. Activision may have been fine with the patch going though until they, along with everyone else, realized what a piece of **** the RB guitar is. Why bail out RB with a good guitar when they can let the brand hurt itself with shoddy peripherals?

Still a dick move.

I agree in some sense, but still, think of the business Activision has got, and will continue to get knowing they could be the 4th peripheral for one of the hottest games of the year? So many people bought GHIII (~$100) just for this reason. Even if it is bailing out Harmonix, you still have to look at how much they can make from this.

lynx44

12-12-2007, 08:58 AM

I sent an email. I think eventually they'll change their tune as long as the issue gets enough press and they receive enough emails. It doesn't make any sense that the 360 for some reason can sit there and use the Les Paul, but the PS3 can't.

Also, I don't care about their EULA. Just because they wrote something on a piece of paper doesn't mean that I agreed to it. They didn't make me read or sign anything before I purchased it, so I don't see how I'm in violation of anything. Legally, that kind of thing doesn't hold up in court.

I also don't think that Sony can do a whole lot in this situation. Unfortunately, they have the worst selling next-gen console at the moment, so they can't risk the loss of Activision. I think they should have set up some standards when they knew that 2 guitars were going to make their way to the system, but now its too much of a risk to let the patch go through.

Parah

12-12-2007, 08:59 AM

I agree in some sense, but still, think of the business Activision has got, and will continue to get knowing they could be the 4th peripheral for one of the hottest games of the year? So many people bought GHIII (~$100) just for this reason. Even if it is bailing out Harmonix, you still have to look at how much they can make from this.

Exactly!! I mean, in the end, do they really stand to lose any money over this? If anything, you'd think that they'd make more money! This is the most pompous move I've seen any company in the gaming industry take in a long time.

Highlandlassie

12-12-2007, 08:59 AM

Boycott Activision

The lp is a piece of c**p, but it would have made a good option for those who cant afford another set.

I have not played GH since Nov 20, and I am not going to support Activision or GH any longer.

Hi Everyone,

As we have said in the past, Harmonix and MTV Games believe in an open standard philosophy of hardware and game compatibility. We think that there should be interoperability between music instrument controllers across all music games. This is clearly in the best interest of consumers, game developers and console manufacturers and will only help to grow the music game genre as well as inspire innovation and creativity.

Two weeks ago, Harmonix created a software patch for the Sony PLAYSTATION 3 version of Rock Band that allowed for guitar compatibility and support for third party peripherals, including enabling use of Activision's Guitar Hero III controller with Rock Band. The compatibility patch was submitted, approved and had been scheduled for release by Sony on Tuesday, December 4. Unfortunately, Activision objected to the compatibility patch's release. The patch remains with Sony, but we have been told that it will unfortunately not be released due to Activision's continued objection.

As is the case with the Microsoft Xbox360, we believe that Sony PLAYSTATION 3 users should be able to use the peripheral of their choice with Rock Band. We sincerely hope that Activision will reverse its decision and allow release of the compatibility patch and further, that Activision will allow Guitar Hero III to support Rock Band guitar controllers as well. We welcome all third party developers who wish to support our controllers and will provide any required support in order for them to do so.

We believe that when consumers have choice, everyone wins. Harmonix and MTV Games hope that Activision and others will also adopt this philosophy.

Sincerely,
The Harmonix Team

marcusdarkness

12-12-2007, 09:00 AM

im so mad i just want to use my gh3 guitar with the game, i know why they are doing this they know that we are willing to spend money on the things we want after all most of us payed at least 400+ dollars. We turn around spend another 160 for the set and come to find out that a game guitar that almost anyone who has rb would have wont work. Thanks for trying to help us at least rb is trying to help us, freaking guiatr hero...

sickboy1138

12-12-2007, 09:02 AM

its up on ps3fanboy
and ive emailed
QJ
Kotaku
and maxconsole

spread the news

lordgnu

12-12-2007, 09:03 AM

We should all call and complain to Activation Corporate.

Activision, Inc. Corporate Headquarters
Activision, Incorporated
3100 Ocean Park Boulevard
Santa Monica, California 90405
(310) 255-2000

keith921

12-12-2007, 09:05 AM

Well I've just sent TWO emails to Activision stating that I am boycotting their products unless they allow the patches release. I really hope they do. Cause right now they are causing more trouble for themselves than they ever wanted to.

hmxsean

12-12-2007, 09:05 AM

(1-310-255-2050)

Haha... YES!! LIVE ACTIVISION SUPPORT!!!

FLAMING TIME!

Please do not flame or otherwise attack them. A well reasoned email is better than barking at some dude on the phone who has nothing to do with any of these decisions and flaming.

dfjdejulio

12-12-2007, 09:05 AM

spread the news
Yah, I submitted it to Slashdot (last I looked it was stuck in their "firehose" thingy), and made a post on the XBox 360 Rock Band forums linking to this thread. Not sure what else to do, I don't use that "digg" thing m'self.

stunner1210

12-12-2007, 09:06 AM

I don't even own a PS3 but this is beyond pathetic. You'd think they realize that Rock Band could actually help their sales, whether it would outsell GH 3 or not.

I'm sending a complaint as well, even though I'm not a PS3 owner. No one should be deprived of this game.

DoctorWho

12-12-2007, 09:06 AM

I submitted it to Engadget, and next to Gizmodo.

Most everyone I know reads those sites on the hour.

derrikirred

12-12-2007, 09:06 AM

Yah, I submitted it to Slashdot (last I looked it was stuck in their "firehose" thingy), and made a post on the XBox 360 Rock Band forums linking to this thread. Not sure what else to do, I don't use that "digg" thing m'self.

I submitted this to digg a while ago. Hopefully it gets some attention.

http://www.digg.com/playstation/Activision_blocks_release_of_Rock_Band_compatibili ty_patch

SuburbanHell

12-12-2007, 09:07 AM

Sent the following off via email to several activision outlets:

To whom it may concern:

I wanted to write to you and express my disappointment in learning that Activision has blocked a patch by Harmonix to allow the Guitar Hero III Guitar to work with Rock Band on the PS3, a patch that was not necessary on the XBox360 since it automatically worked. It would be one thing if Activision was going to block the usage of its guitar across all platforms, but doing so only on the PS3 seems move by Activision that is in poor taste.

As is the case with the Microsoft Xbox360, I believe that Sony PLAYSTATION 3 users should be able to use the peripheral of their choice with Rock Band. Honestly, the only reason I bought the Guitar Hero III Guitar was so that I could eventually use it as a 2nd guitar in Rock Band.

I sincerely hope that Activision will reverse its decision and allow release of the compatibility patch.

In the meantime, I wanted to let you know that my friends and I will be boycotting all Activision products until further notice, and I will be explaining to everyone I know exactly why I am boycotting your products as well.

Thank you and kind regards,
<name>

SailorDeath

12-12-2007, 09:07 AM

Really though this kind of behavior comes off a petty, selfish and greedy.

Like many people my guitar wasn't working either, but the fact that the folks here admit that its their fault and are offering replacements at a GREAT cost shows me that they care a lot about thier customers. I for one wasn't upset when I learned abot the problem because I knew that they'd make good on their promise.

To the people at harmonix: Take comfort in knowing that GH3 is the last one in their franchise I plan on buying. From here on out it's ROCKBAND!

BobsRevenge

12-12-2007, 09:08 AM

Please do not flame or otherwise attack them. A well reasoned email is better than barking at some dude on the phone who has nothing to do with any of these decisions and flaming.

Making a well reasoned phone call is even better.

I've sent my e-mail and I'm seriously considering calling them to further voice my anger and dissatisfaction. Of course I wouldn't aim that at the person I'm on the phone with, but I will ask them to forward my comments to their superiors.

Gatorguy91

12-12-2007, 09:09 AM

Please do not flame or otherwise attack them. A well reasoned email is better than barking at some dude on the phone who has nothing to do with any of these decisions and flaming.

HMXSean, What a class statement.

Flaming time was more of a hyperbole, but seriously, i really am sure that you do not want a war of fans spreading out.

Rest assured, I don't have the guts to flame *even* my best friends.

Phane7

12-12-2007, 09:10 AM

This is pretty horrendous. I sent off an email to Activision Corporate telling them just how horrific it was and that it was completely disrespectful to their customers. I told them I would never buy a peripheral or game from them ever again... and I buy LOTS of games and made sure they knew that.

jozbaldwin

12-12-2007, 09:10 AM

Ok guys, here's another link to tell activision what we think about them...

http://www.activision.com/index.html?module=contact

ubikkibu

12-12-2007, 09:11 AM

My email to Activision. Please feel free to copy if it helps you get started:

I've been made aware that Activision's legal department objects to Harmonix' Playstation 3 patch that would enable Guitar Hero 3 guitars to be used in the game Rock Band.

I could not be more disappointed with your anti-consumer actions. I have sold my copy of Guitar Hero 3 and will not be purchasing Activision products in the future.

Lareden

12-12-2007, 09:13 AM

Somehow I think the people who create the console that the game actually runs on have a LARGE amount of say in things.. and I was referring to the size of Sony as a whole company, not just in the gaming industry. More money = better lawyers.

Regardless, it would not be a wise decision for Sony, as their profits largely come from games sold for the system... pissing off Activision would be bad.

MaximusDM

12-12-2007, 09:13 AM

I sent them my e-mail.
Harmonix I am sad. :(
I should have bought an Xbox 360.
A long long time ago.

Plan B!
Get the PS2 SG's working! Stat!

Lareden

12-12-2007, 09:14 AM

Especially after the Blizzard merger thing.

You know... I'm actually considering canceling my "World of Warcraft" account over this. I know the divisions are largely autonomous, but still, it's a way to send a message. (And I'm not raiding much lately anyway, spending more time playing Rock Band.)

Yeah, Activision and Vivendi recently merged for those who don't know. And Vivendi owns Blizzard.

MistressMissy

12-12-2007, 09:15 AM

The Story is up on G4 too! (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/681508/Activision_Halts_PS3_Rock_Band_Patch.html#readmore )

I sent my letters!

jimmyn28

12-12-2007, 09:18 AM

I'm selling GH3.

peck

12-12-2007, 09:20 AM

I am a ps3 owner too so i sent my e-mail to activision if we all boycott there products they will see they made a mistake when there wallets are a little lighter.........

saunderse4

12-12-2007, 09:20 AM

borgasm

12-12-2007, 09:20 AM

Letter sent! I couldn't help but get in on this as i was waiting for this patch to purchase gh3 and now I don't have to.

"Hi Activision!

I was all geared up to purchase "Guitar Hero 3" for 100 dollars to gain an extra controller for Rock Band pending the release of the compatibility patch. Unfortunately it seems like you guys don't want my 100 dollars, because you've decided to block Sony from posting the patch for us.

I guess I will keep my 100 dollars until spring and spend 60 of it on a second Rock Band guitar from Harmonix and keep the extra 40 dollars I save.

That's okay with you though right? You are a multi-billion dollar company, and my 100 dollars is of no concern to you. You didn't get to be such a big company by being nice to people now did you!

Keep up the good work and thank you for saving me my hard earned money,

-Brendan"

fun stuff... I'm kind of glad they blocked the patch and gave us a reason to ***** at them. I think they screwed up bad with guitar hero 3 (though i do like the guitar itself) and have been waiting for a reason to send them funny notes.

unwin

12-12-2007, 09:22 AM

and the truth comes out.

question is ... what to do?

xlr8shun

12-12-2007, 09:24 AM

there was another post on this forum a few days ago, it listed a website that has listings of 'high up' people at major corporations.

http://community.rockband.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=13322

that post lists www.planetfeedback.com and to send your letter through them, who can in turn help make sure it get into the right person.

maybe it could be an alternative way (or aditional way) to contact activision with your complaint.

i, myself, will send a letter by both means shortly.

basically you just fill out a couple of questions to give them an idea of where exactly this response should go, whether it be a compliment, complaint, suggestion or something else. then a place to voice your concern, submit it and they review it and submit it for you.

its free, and easy, maybe its worth a shot? but please people, keep it respectable. there are ways to get your point across without insults and curse words. the more respectful your language is, the better the chance it actually passes planetfeedback's review process.

>edit: grammar

dfjdejulio

12-12-2007, 09:25 AM

The Story is up on G4 too! (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/681508/Activision_Halts_PS3_Rock_Band_Patch.html#readmore )

I'm a little bit surprised that IGN hasn't broken the story yet.

Theory: the rapidity with which a site posts this story will be inversely proportional to the percentage of their advertising revenue that is due to Activision. The next couple of days could get pretty ugly in the world of gaming journalism.

BornToBeWild

12-12-2007, 09:26 AM

I've sent my emails as well.

But what about a patch for the guitar hero I & II guitars ??????

Are they not Harmonix products ??

Keebler

12-12-2007, 09:28 AM

START THE BOYCOTT OF GUITAR HERO 3 NOW!

Seriously. Are these chimps at Activision full-fledged r3tards? If they allowed cross-compatibility, they would sell more hardware. Apparently, they have their heads too far up their asses to realize this would help their bottom line.

And also, why should Activision get to dictate whether this patch comes out or not? Last I checked, they don't have any say - Sony does. Way to take it in the rear, Sony.

Ridiculust

12-12-2007, 09:28 AM

My email.... Let me know what you think.

Hello,

My name is William Stephens. And I purchased Guitar Hero 3 the day it was released. While it is not a bad game, I have to sell it, and both controllers I purchased for it. This is one less game and two less controllers that you will sell. One of the main reasons that I purchased this game was so that I could play BOTH rockband and guitar hero. This gets to my reason for this email. The announcement that you have blocked the patch allowing your guitar to function in rockband has me more than a little upset. This also upsets several friends of mine that were going to purchase your game so they could play BOTH games. I do not understand why you would not allow this, as it would only help the sales of your guitar and possibly game. I am a fan of the music genre, and I feel that I have been cheated by your unfair business decision. I have purchased all available downloadable content for GH3, but sadly, this will be no more. I realize that it probably will not hurt your company, but I must speak with my wallet. On that note, I will not be purcasing anymore games from this company, as I can only see them as makers of both foolish business choices, and ill advised polices. I will be contacting you regularly to voice my displeasure with the childish stance you have taken with this issue. I will also encourage anyone with even a mild interest in videogames about the behavior of your company. I would appreciate a response, however, if you are going to send me a nonpersonal, canned pr message, don't bother. I hate to take my dollars elsewhere, but that is exactly what your company has forced me to do.
Regards,
William Stephens

edit: I sent it to corporate communication

mrdonut

12-12-2007, 09:28 AM

unfreaking-believable. I can't believe they would sink this low. I am so happy I didn't open my copy of Guitar Hero 3. I'm going to send it directly back to Red Octane. They don't deserve my money.

Ridiculust

12-12-2007, 09:32 AM

By the way.

Harmonix, I was wrong to boycott your dlc, thinking that you wouldn't do everything possible to rectify the situation. I have been with your company from the beginning (frequency), and now I am reminded why. Thank you for doing your part. Hopefully we can do ours now.

ChampDoglas

12-12-2007, 09:35 AM

While you guys are at it, you should tell them to patch GH3 so we can us the Strat on it!!! UNIVERSAL GUITAR COMPATIBILITY FOR ALL!!!!

WarMajik

12-12-2007, 09:36 AM

I have sent an email also to Activision but I also think we should express our disappointment to Sony as well. Maybe if we complain to Sony it will help try to get a resolution to this issue. I know Sony is not to blame here but they sure could help things.

- Agreed.. why isnt Sony insisting, no wait, DEMANDING that Activision make the guitars compatible. If suXBOX users can choose their guitars why cant PS3 owners !? Once again Ps3 owners are not being considered.

Kellbob

12-12-2007, 09:36 AM

Here is my letter- Let's keep it intelligent folks (like hmxsean said). I'm all for a GH 1 or 2 patch.. my SG is just collecting dust. I just really don't get why they don't want to sell more copies of their game while keeping their customers happy... Go ahead piss off your customers and sell less product.... Glad I don't own stock in their company!!

>>
I like many other customers am a fan of the Guitar Hero Franchicse as well as Rock Band. When I heard both were being released and that the Guitar Hero III Controller could be used in Rock Band on the PS3, I pre-ordered it because it seemed perfect to get a game and guitar that could be used for both games. This turned out not to be the case.

Now I sit, having not touched my Guitar Hero game since Rock Band was released and with the announcement today on Harmonix's website stating that the patch that has been ready to allow the guitars to work with Rock Band has been ready since December 4th, and that Activision is blocking it's release is infuriating to no end to me.

I am writing to inform you that at this time I am officially boycotting all Activision and related company products. I spend quite a bit on videogames and will refuse to spend any more if Activision has anything to do with the game.

This is just simply bad business practice on your parts. Tens of thousands of people I'm sure spent $100 on Guitar Hero 3 just like I did mainly to get a guitar for Rock Band and now as a Corporation you are sticking it to those customers that gave you such record numbers after the release of Guitar Hero 3. I would like to see the PS3 release numbers if the information that the guitar wouldn't work on the PS3 was out before everyone got Rock Band. I know I wouldn't have purchased Guitar Hero.

I'm sure you're receiving many of these emails and you rightfully should. Hopefully you'll decide to do right by your customers and those that spent their hard earned money on Guitar Hero 3 and allow a patch to come through.

You have nothing to lose by doing so and everything to gain... The patch is irrelevant unless you already have purchased Guitar Hero 3 so if it's released I see more copies of Guitar Hero 3 being sold as opposed to people just saving up for Rock Band.

Thank you for your time, I appreciate your response to this matter in simply letting the patch go through and all will be happy and I will no longer boycott your products.

Sincerely,

chance2002iu

12-12-2007, 09:37 AM

I was going to post this on digg to help get exposure but some people already did that. Here's the digg link that goes to HMX's announcement (this thread).

http://digg.com/playstation/Activision_blocks_release_of_Rock_Band_compatibili ty_patch

digg it to help get the word out.

jeff1920

12-12-2007, 09:40 AM

Aldous

12-12-2007, 09:40 AM

Harmonix (HmxSean especially) I also want to apologize for ranting about you in some of the forums. I also believed that you were not doing everything in your power to get the les paul issue resolved. I now know this is not the case, thank you for posting this information and your willingness to set the record straight.
But please for gods sake take "compatible with most music controllers" off the cover of the PS3.

Lareden

12-12-2007, 09:40 AM

- Agreed.. why isnt Sony insisting, no wait, DEMANDING that Activision make the guitars compatible. If suXBOX users can choose their guitars why cant PS3 owners !? Once again Ps3 owners are not being considered.

Because unlike neo-nazi-Microsoft, Sony lets developers do whatever the hell they want. I like freedom 'cause it sorts out the *****s (Activision) from the good decent human beings (Harmonix).

baduela

12-12-2007, 09:40 AM

Somebody needs to digg this thread!!

jeff1920

12-12-2007, 09:41 AM

Now this is bad business ethics and they are responsible this has to create a ton of back lash and them to lose alot of money to realize that this makes people mad.

I sold all my activision games eccept cod 4.

Oops btw who is taking business in high school and thinks this is very bad business ethics.

Quastor

12-12-2007, 09:41 AM

As much as want to encourage people to email Activision and call tech support, as Sean said, these really aren't the decision makers. They can't do anything about it but send it up to their manager, who might pass it along to their manager, repeated about 6-7 maybe 10 times.

Want to really get to the right people? Target their Board of Directors and shareholders. These are the people that can influence Activision to change, as they've already shown they could give two ****s about their consumers.

What I would love to see is a Harmonix-backed fund to raise money to take out a full page ad in the New York Times and Wall Street Journal with an open letter to Activision's Board of Directors explaining the situation and asking for a reversal of this decision. I know, I know, no one wants to drop even more money in this mess, but I certainly think it would be a most effective way of getting the point across. And I say Harmonix backed, as I'm not so sure many people would trust a random Joe to collect the money and follow through with the ad (Just to give you an idea, a full page black and white ad in the NYT runs about $165k).

Just a thought, but I certainly see this as being a large statement to Activision.

derrikirred

12-12-2007, 09:42 AM

Somebody needs to digg this thread!!

It has already been mentioned 3 times.

DIGG IT (http://www.digg.com/playstation/Activision_blocks_release_of_Rock_Band_compatibili ty_patch)

Aldous

12-12-2007, 09:45 AM

I can't believe activision, such rOCKBLOCKERS

onemadbeastie

12-12-2007, 09:47 AM

hellshound38

12-12-2007, 09:49 AM

Lareden

12-12-2007, 09:55 AM

while i would like to fully beleive activision is behind this

i just dont know if we should

i mean first off, if you guys are saying you promote open standards to strongly, why dosnt my strat work with guitar hero 1?
wasnt that the first "standard?"

so basicly you just made up a new standard and complain.
make a patch that makes guitar hero 1 and 2 work with your guitar
and maybe then i will beleive you

The GH1&2 controllers are detected as standard controllers. It seems like they could patch it to allow a basic controller to be used as an instrument but it would destroy the current intelligence the game has by knowing you are using an instument-controller of a certain type and not just a gamepad.

XquietusX

12-12-2007, 09:55 AM

just sent my complaint to activision also, if u have not, please go to their website and state how obviously stupid this move is on their part

Wozamil

12-12-2007, 09:57 AM

Can someone please post their Email. I'm at work currently and their internet prevents me from accessing their site.

Kellbob

12-12-2007, 09:58 AM

Because unlike neo-nazi-Microsoft, Sony lets developers do whatever the hell they want. I like freedom 'cause it sorts out the *****s (Activision) from the good decent human beings (Harmonix).

Ditto!

I don't even want to use my Les Paul now. Harmonix- the ball is in your court! Get the stand-alone Strats out sooner and I'll buy the first one I get my hands on.... Oh..make a bass snap-on head for them! Sticker that says "F@#$ Activision" optional :) ...but I'd want one!

hmxsean

12-12-2007, 10:01 AM

while i would like to fully beleive activision is behind this

i just dont know if we should

i mean first off, if you guys are saying you promote open standards to strongly, why dosnt my strat work with guitar hero 1?
wasnt that the first "standard?"

so basicly you just made up a new standard and complain.
make a patch that makes guitar hero 1 and 2 work with your guitar
and maybe then i will beleive you

How would that work? The GH I & II on PS2? Rock Band for PS2 isn't even out yet. I am confused what your issue is regarding this.

Eman311

12-12-2007, 10:02 AM

hellshound38

12-12-2007, 10:03 AM

well anyway works for me
either using the guitar hero 1 + 2 controllers on the ps3 for rockband, using any of the existing ps3-ps2 controller adapters, (seems if i can play guitar hero 1 on my ps3 using the adapter why cant i play rockband?)

OR, a patch so you can play guitar hero 1 and 2, on your ps3, using the strat (i know this is more complicated cause its emulation/ps2 hardware... but im sure its possible

edit. i was just pointing out... with the adapter i can play guitar hero 1 on my ps3.... with my guitar hero 1 guitar..
so if your using "a standard" why wouldnt the strat work for it also?.... or my guitar hero 1 guitar?

just pointing out your not using any such standard

cg5686

12-12-2007, 10:07 AM

Here's the letter I sent:

Dear Activision,

It has recently been made known that you have made legal manuevers to block the release of a Rock Band patch which would enable the use of your Guitar in that game. This is a terrible decision, and a huge slap to the face to owners of the Playstation 3 Entertainment System. You have - in the eyes of a large portion of the music video game genre - tarnished your image when you could have otherwise not only boosted it but used it to your financial advantage. Please know that, from this point forward, I will be boycotting your products, but specifically Guitar Hero downloadable content and any future iterations of the Guitar Hero franchise, at least until this situation is rectified.

Sincerely,

I couldn't resist but I also added a "please go f#$% yourselves" bit at the end too. Sorry - I could only be so professional about this. Keep on Digging this by the way.

Also, to Harmonix - thank you, guys. A lot of us figured that, after the initial fiasco, you guys would do everything you could to fix it. It turns out we were right. I'm so glad that you were able to release the news and set things straight - I had a gut feeling you weren't able to for legal reasons. Anyway, totally behind you guys on this one. Keep on rocking.

alnghtstrg

12-12-2007, 10:11 AM

How did Microsoft get around the compatibilty issue with their GH III guitar ? And why does it seem that the 360 gets more support for both GH III and Rock Band ? I hate the fact that I now have 3 guitars, but all are useless unless I'm playing the specific system/game in which they were originally intended for (PS2/PS3). It almost makes me want to go out and buy a 360. And unless they fix the problem I'm not willing to buy any more "music" genre games from either Harmonix or Activision. SONY wake the @!#! up and release the damn patch! You wonder why the PS3 is getting it's butt kicked in sales ?!?! This would be a prime example, jerks! :mad:

aukevin

12-12-2007, 10:14 AM

Hey HMX, how about you get some PS3 Rock Band guitars out there for us to buy since this patch isn't happening.

onemadbeastie

12-12-2007, 10:15 AM

Can someone please post their Email. I'm at work currently and their internet prevents me from accessing their site.

ir@activision.com investor relations
hr@activision.com human resources
support@activision.com customer support

more contact info on page 2

Lareden

12-12-2007, 10:19 AM

How would that work? The GH I & II on PS2? Rock Band for PS2 isn't even out yet. I am confused what your issue is regarding this.

Seriously. Make GH1 and 2 controllers from the PS2 work for another system?

that doesn't make much sense.

No no no... the GH1&2 controllers for PS2 work fine on PS3. But there is a little $10 adapter that you have to buy that converts PS2 controller -> USB. I've used it when my friend brought over GH2. I also use it for playing 4 player games without having to buy 3 more SIXAXIS controllers.

CyN1caL

12-12-2007, 10:19 AM

Here's hoping they don't try to force down a patch that 360 GH2 and GH3 guitar support...

No_Skill

12-12-2007, 10:19 AM

I sent my e-mail and will be making a call as well.

Keep up the pressure my internet brothas (and sistas)

Fight the power, the man is keeping us down, Attica! Attica! Attica!, and such.

ChampDoglas

12-12-2007, 10:20 AM

Lots of people upset with the Les Paul not working on RB for ps3. Well I got an xbox and Im pissed that I need 2 gh3 controllers to play co-op because I cant use my strat. That is lame that I need 3 guitars. Activision intentionally prohibits me from using it too because it tags the strat as an incompatible guitar.

I know Harmonix or EA can't do anything about it but with the big fuss about complaining to activision going on in these boards, maybe you guys can mention this in your complaints to them. I went to the GH3 site to look into this but that forum is lame. It feels like they are not interested in feedback on their site. We all know by now activision is lame and doesn't care about what the players want.

This really shouldn't be about RB vs. GH3 or the XBOX vs. 360. It should be about universal guitar compatibility for all.

dbwolf29

12-12-2007, 10:20 AM

Does anyone know when individual instruments are supposed to become available. Jan? Feb?

vicpac

12-12-2007, 10:21 AM

I held off buying GH3 because I wanted to make sure it was compatible with RB for PS3. I have 2 PS2 guitar controllers already and found that only GH1 works with the Pelican adaptor which I returned which was dissapointing.

After Activision stance here I won't be buying GH3. Plus I haven't played any of the other GH since I got rockband anyway. Harmonix took a hit from us for the last week+ and figures it was activision buggering up the works.

Take this GH and shove it. My 2c.

davekki

12-12-2007, 10:22 AM

When you're sending Activision / Blizzard your grievances don't forget to mention the environmental impact of their decision. Making gamers buy even more plastic that can't be recycled instead of re-using existing controllers is another loss for everyone involved.

I'll be doing my own recyling by eBaying my copy of GH3 - unfortunately this means the proud recipient won't be buying a retail copy ;)

JB4GDI

12-12-2007, 10:23 AM

I made a call to the VP of Customer Service since their customer service lines were down.

Here it goes:

Hello Mr. Robinson!

My name is Jaime.

I'm not sure who to direct this call to since your customer
service lines seem to be down, but I figured if I left it with the VP
of Customer Support and Quality Assurance, it would get to the right
people.

I just wanted to breifly state how dissappointed and saddened I am that
a patch allowing us to use Guitar Hero 3 guitars with Rock Band has been
stopped by your lawyers. I've been a Guitar Hero player since the games
first came out, and I haven't bought GH3 yet because I wanted to make
sure the PS3 guitar was going to work with Rock Band.

Today I find out that it can work, but the patch to fix it is being
blocked by your company. Now I just wanted to let you guys know that you're
down at least one Guitar Hero 3 customer, and until this issue does get
cleared away, you can rest assured I will not be buying any products from
Activision and I will be advising my friends to do the same.

Again, sorry to take up your time, but my hope is that you can
help get this situation squared away quickly.
Thanks for your time.

Feel free to use it as a guide if you're out of ideas for what to say.

-Jaime

lhv32

12-12-2007, 10:23 AM

I have but two things to say here:

1) F#*k Activision

and

2) I'm not saying that anybody at Harmonix should do this, but if it just so happened that somebody in the office managed to alter the update script a bit, sneak it out of the office, and make it available via torrent or something, who knows?

I mean, if it was re-written slightly so we could pop it onto a sd card or something and install it... and it got "leaked" from HMX, they can't do anything. Just slap an Open Source disclaimer in the zip that says that it "IS NOT HARMONIX CODE" and alter the script a bit to make it look like somebody just wrote the patch on their own (so it doesn't match up with the one submitted to SONY).

For the record, I'm totally sending at the very least a provacative email to Activision, but I'm sure it would please thousands of Rock Band owners if somebody at harmonix (like an intern or something) managed to leak of the patch.

p.s. (I'll keep an eye on piratebay for the next couple of days just in case lol)

Lareden

12-12-2007, 10:25 AM

DrumDemon666

12-12-2007, 10:26 AM

[QUOTE=ChampDoglas;190787

This really shouldn't be about RB vs. GH3 or the XBOX vs. 360. It should be about universal guitar compatibility for all.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

BobsRevenge

12-12-2007, 10:27 AM

*using best Kanye West impersonation*

Activision does not care about consumers.

neveroutnumbered

12-12-2007, 10:29 AM

a total **** up, damm you activision.

Lareden

12-12-2007, 10:29 AM

No_Skill

12-12-2007, 10:30 AM

I don't know what brand my adapter is, but it works with GH2 guitars... in fact it has a little switch on it specifically for GH2, appropriately labeled GH2. Maybe you didn't notice the switch?

Yes, you have the Pelican.

http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/06/pelicanadapter3.jpg

It does not work with hammer ons and pull offs on GH2. Also, when you hold down a fret it does not light up on the screen.

BobsRevenge

12-12-2007, 10:31 AM

Speaking of which... Hey HMXSean, why didn't you guys use Bluetooth for the guitar instead of that darn dongle? Bluetooth is a standard... and the preferred controller connection method for both PS3 and Wii. Was it because of the imminent PS2 version?

It was because they couldn't get the connection to be stable enough so they had to use the dongle as an alternative.

dfjdejulio

12-12-2007, 10:32 AM

2) I'm not saying that anybody at Harmonix should do this, but if it just so happened that somebody in the office managed to alter the update script a bit, sneak it out of the office, and make it available via torrent or something, who knows?
And it's good that you're not saying they should do that. I'll go so far as to say they should not do that.

Here's what they should do.

Make a patch for RB for the PS3 that lets you use a generic controller to play. Don't even specify exactly how. Make it so that the player can configure which controller inputs map to which guitar features.

Then, if players happen to plug in a Les Paul, and it's recognized as a generic non-guitar controller, and players happen to configure it so the red fret on the Les Paul matches what the game expects a red fret to be, well...

I mean, seriously, there's a lot of heat directed towards Activision right now, but deserved or not we know that some is going to spill back onto Harmonix. I can see a few ways out for 'em. One is some kind of generic controller patch. Another is the whole "money where your mouth is" thing, and helping facilitate Nyko or someone like that getting a 3rd party controller rushed to market very quickly.

Let me add that if there was a trade-in program, where I could send in my Les Paul for credit towards a Strat, I'd participate.

Lareden

12-12-2007, 10:35 AM

It was because they couldn't get the connection to be stable enough so they had to use the dongle as an alternative.

Odd. Maybe they should've asked for help on that one. I mean the Bluetooth controllers work great... so it's possible. But maybe in in interest of deadlines they had to ditch it.

Lareden

12-12-2007, 10:36 AM

Yes, you have the Pelican.

http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/06/pelicanadapter3.jpg

It does not work with hammer ons and pull offs on GH2. Also, when you hold down a fret it does not light up on the screen.

Ah OK, I didn't really notice that, not being a seasoned GH player. I always strum HO/PO's cause I never really noticed the difference on GH.

No_Skill

12-12-2007, 10:38 AM

Ah OK, I didn't really notice that, not being a seasoned GH player. I always strum HO/PO's cause I never really noticed the difference on GH.

Yep that's what I figured...back to the lynching.

Super_Chicken

12-12-2007, 10:43 AM

Then, if players happen to plug in a Les Paul, and it's recognized as a generic non-guitar controller, and players happen to configure it so the red fret on the Les Paul matches what the game expects a red fret to be, well...

Let me add that if there was a trade-in program, where I could send in my Les Paul for credit towards a Strat, I'd participate.

That's a decent idea, allow 6-axis support.

They should have a deal, trade in a LP guitar and receive half price of a strato + $30 DLC I'd do it.

Lareden

12-12-2007, 10:45 AM

I was planning on buying GH3 when I first heard of the patch. Of course I'm not now. But I'm kinda glad because I like the Strat much better.

The only problem is that now I'm tempted to keep my broken one and fix it, because (as far as I know) there's no official word on when supported controllers will be sold. Without knowing how long I'd have to wait for a compatible guitar, it's hard to say whether the $125 they'll charge me will be worth it...

Either way, I've got to make a decision soon because I've had the replacement for a week and a half.

Lareden

12-12-2007, 10:48 AM

That's a decent idea, allow 6-axis support.

They should have a deal, trade in a LP guitar and receive half price of a strato + $30 DLC I'd do it.

Then they could have a public burning of the Les Paul's! A huge bonfire effigy representing Activision! Take that enviro.... er, maybe they could have a public recycling!

lhv32

12-12-2007, 10:50 AM

Heres my email to Activision:

Subject: Activision blocking the ps3 Rock Band compatibility patch

I will make this email short and to the point, as I am sure that you have already received at the least hundreds of similar emails and phone calls on this subject.

As your company knows, Harmonix/MTV Games/EA submitted a patch to Sony two weeks ago which would allow your Guitar Hero 3 controller to work with their game, both of which are available for the Playstation 3. Activision has protested and subsequently blocked said patch, and as a result ps3 owners cannot use a ps3 controller to play ps3 game. Does this seem odd to you?

I am one of the many people who have been forced into a situation where I now have a les paul that does not work with Rock Band, and I would like to inform you that like many, MANY Guitar Hero 3 owners, we bought the game so that we would have an extra guitar for Rock Band. I do not understand why your company is blocking this patch because this is quickly becoming a PR nightmare, and from the start you were still making sales off of this interaction.

For the record, I will not be purchasing another Activision game until this patch is made available (and as I understand it many other CUSTOMERS are going to do the same). Even being a hardcore gamer, this will not equal too much over the next five to ten years, but consider the multiplier as hundreds to thousands of consumers are now actively boycotting your company due to your petty rivalry Harmonix and EA.

I strongly urge you to reconsider your objection to this patch, as it can and WILL result in noticible losses in revenue. I hope that your actions can be reversed, as I would hate to see this possibly reach the point where a class action lawsuit is brought against your company, it's subsidiaries, and possibly Sony as well.

Thank you for your time; I hope that this issue can be resolved quickly.

Sincerely,
A Former Customer

Luveno

12-12-2007, 10:53 AM

But I still can't help but feel that hardball is being played on both sides.

The one thing that has been really suspicious about this from day 1 is that you can't use the Sixaxis to play the game. That strongly indicates that it is Harmonix doing something odd with the input and not Neversoft. Despite Harmonix's claim of the "open standard", it means nothing if they are the one's who invented it and are the only ones who are using it. From what I can see, the Les Paul looks like a standard USB controller to the PS3, whereas the Strat is clearly doing something else.

That said, Activision is clearly acting against consumers with this move, if the situation is as described in the OP.

Regardless, I'm upset with both companies right now, as there is fault on both ends. This should be something that is resolvable. Instead, we have theatrics resembling those of kindergarteners.

HPLabonte

12-12-2007, 10:53 AM

in sympathy, I will write an e-mail and boycott activision games for you guys, this is really, really ****ty customer relations.

BobsRevenge

12-12-2007, 10:55 AM

in sympathy, I will write an e-mail and boycott activision games for you guys, this is really, really ****ty customer relations.

Thanks man. Any help from 360 users is awesome.

EtherDragon

12-12-2007, 10:59 AM

My letter to activision:

"Dear Activision Customer Support,

I’m sending you this letter in the hope that you can forward it to the appropriate parties. Recently I purchased Guitar Hero III (GH3) for the PS3 and was excited about the music line-up and new guitar controller. My intention was to purchase various accessories and a second GH3 controller, as time and money allowed.

I had hoped that I could use the GH3 controller with the upcoming title, Rock Band (RB) by Harmonix. I have just been informed in a statement by Harmonix that Atari is blocking the release of a patch to their software to allow your controller to be compatible. (http://community.rockband.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=15440)

I would like an explanation, as a purchaser of your products, why you have chosen to block a patch for a game written by another company. Until I can obtain the RB patch, I will not be purchasing any Activision accessories since it does not make fiscal sense for me to purchase two versions of the same kind of item for two different games.

I can’t imagine how the decision to block the patch can possibly positively impact your company’s customer perception or sales. And I’m writing you for an explanation so I can make informed purchase decisions for my household. Not only do I purchase titles for myself, but I purchase titles for my son who lives out of state. But your decision to block the RB patch forces me to choose between two products on his behalf and I can’t, in good faith, buy something for him that won’t be useable for future games.

Please reconsider your decision,
Sincerely,
***NAME REMOVED FOR PRIVACY REASONS***
Atari Customer for 25 years"

Parodygm

12-12-2007, 11:00 AM

The one thing that has been really suspicious about this from day 1 is that you can't use the Sixaxis to play the game. That strongly indicates that it is Harmonix doing something odd with the input and not Neversoft.

My Sixaxis seems to work just fine controlling the menus when doing vocals. Maybe it's a design decision they made?

Lareden

12-12-2007, 11:03 AM

But I still can't help but feel that hardball is being played on both sides.

The one thing that has been really suspicious about this from day 1 is that you can't use the Sixaxis to play the game. That strongly indicates that it is Harmonix doing something odd with the input and not Neversoft. Despite Harmonix's claim of the "open standard", it means nothing if they are the one's who invented it and are the only ones who are using it. From what I can see, the Les Paul looks like a standard USB controller to the PS3, whereas the Strat is clearly doing something else.

Since it's a USB device, it's likely they are simply using an additional device descriptor which would be ignored by everything else, but when specifically looked for by their code it tells them "hey, I'm a strat!" That's not a question of breaking standards, nor should it prevent any other game from using it.

SkullWolf

12-12-2007, 11:03 AM

My letter:

I am a long time gamer and fan of content from Activision. Since the original PitFall for the Atari 2600, I've been buying Activision products and have been generally satisfied with their quality. My most recent purchase from your company 's lineup was Call of Duty 4 - a series in which I own every iteration.

Another recent Activision purchase for me was Guitar Hero 3. A big fan of the Guitar Hero games, I looked forward to this title despite a new developer taking the helm, as my confidence in Activision's commitment to gamer satisfaction was very high. My loyalty to original Guitar Hero developer Harmonix is also strong, and in November I purchased rhythm game Rock Band to compliment my Guitar Hero purchase.

Despite advertised claims of "compatability with most guitar controllers", the Guitar Hero 3 controller did not work with Rock Band for PlayStation 3 at release, an issue that is understandable and in no way Activision's fault. Harmonix admitted the problem was on their end, and a patch was soon released to Sony for distribution to Rock Band players to remedy the situation.

Us faithful Activision customers waited patiently for this patch - a patch which creates the impression of added value to the Guitar Hero 3 bundle, as it would become the only means of buying another controller for Rock Band - but it was never released.

Instead, a statement from Harmonix detailed Activision's active blocking of the patch's release.

Within hours, gaming blogs and the Rock Band community page were set ablaze with comments from angry posters, frustrated with Activision's seeming disregard for customer satisfaction (it is, after all, only those who purchased an Activsion product that are hurt by the blocking of the patch).

The decision to block this patch has tarnished my opinion of Activision Inc. and seriously lowered my chances of buying another product from you in the near future. Such anti-consumer decisions only show a disinterest in customer satisfaction and perhaps indicate a new modus operandi for Activision.

Please, prove me wrong by dropping opposition to Sony's release of the patch and show your customers the respect they deserve for trusting you.

You may view Harmonix's statement here:
http://community.rockband.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=15440

(Please take note of the reactions of Activision customers such as myself posting in response to this message, you will find their opinions are very similar).

Thank you for your consideration of this issue and I hope that a compromise is reached.

Sincerely,
******* ******
******@***.edu

pntbllrspdr

12-12-2007, 11:06 AM

I'm already never buying another GH again, unless they change their minds

AdamBomb629

12-12-2007, 11:07 AM

Magnet

12-12-2007, 11:07 AM

The one thing that has been really suspicious about this from day 1 is that you can't use the Sixaxis to play the game. That strongly indicates that it is Harmonix doing something odd with the input and not Neversoft. Despite Harmonix's claim of the "open standard", it means nothing if they are the one's who invented it and are the only ones who are using it. From what I can see, the Les Paul looks like a standard USB controller to the PS3, whereas the Strat is clearly doing something else.

Rock Band recognizes the Strat and the Sixaxis differently because the vocalist uses the Sixaxis to navigate the menus. When you go to Solo Tour on the guitar, you are given the guitar career. The same holds for drums -> drum career and Sixaxis -> vocal career. It is purely a game design decision.

dfjdejulio

12-12-2007, 11:08 AM

The one thing that has been really suspicious about this from day 1 is that you can't use the Sixaxis to play the game. That strongly indicates that it is Harmonix doing something odd with the input and not Neversoft.
I don't agree.

On the XBox 360, the GH2 guitar works, the GH3 wireless Les Paul works... and standard XBox game controllers cannot be used to play the guitar and drum portions of the game.

And they're all the same kind of controller. The Les Paul and the XBox wireless game pad connect to the console precisely the same way (MSFT's wireless networking implementation). The GH2 guitars and the XBox wired game controller connect to the consoel precisely the same way (USB).

They just didn't want people doing the guitar part without some guitar, or the drum part without some drum.

I personally think they ought to reverse that decision for the PS3, since there are a lot of people who have fewer working guitars than they expected to...

So, anyhow, you might be correct, but based on how things work on the XBox 360, I do not think that you are.

No_Skill

12-12-2007, 11:10 AM

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z165/rsabot64/CompatabilityNow.jpg

Fuze54

12-12-2007, 11:11 AM

Total BS, I was gonna get GH3 till this news came through. Lost another sale.

Angel-Jin

12-12-2007, 11:17 AM

what does activision care what we have to say? i say again fellow gamers, THEY ARE WORTH MORE THAN EA!!!!!

they're all going for swims in their Scrooge McDuck money pools and wiping there arses with $20 or $50 bills. why should they let this patch through? if anything, they probably think they're doing EA/HMX a favor and forcing us to buy another controller per each game, thus allowing their revenue to skyrocket even further beyound quarterly expectations.

i've seen a lot of skeezy deals go down in this "console war." from game delays which still result in broken games that get patched WAY down the road, HORRIBLY DEVELOPED GAMES (sup EA Sports?) and even controller incompatibility, but this is by far, the biggest slap in the face for me as a consumer.

screw all these game developers on my side of the pond, i'm going back to play BEMANI games. At least those never let me down...no offense HMX, you're about the only company worth its salt these days.

Ulver

12-12-2007, 11:19 AM

I also wrote Activision an email. I am truly dissapointed in this. I have both 360 and PS3, and I decided to get the PS3 version. I jumped the gun a little too soon and got the PS3 GH3 once I heard of a patch coming out. Now, it looks like there is little hope. Therefore, I'm getting rid of GH3 and Rock Band..and converting to the 360. I will be placing my amazon.com Rock Band order soon. I'm just so sick of PS3 users getting the shaft. This has been said a million times over, but it makes no sense how the 360 GH3 guitar can work but not PS3. I hate you activision.

Hanover

12-12-2007, 11:20 AM

Dear Activision,

Imagine a world where every game company came out with their own game pad that was only compatible with their games. Sounds preposterous doesnt it? Then why are you setting the precedent?

Sincerely,

Aldous

12-12-2007, 11:22 AM

I just received an email back from activision here is what they said

Response (Dov Carson) - 12/12/2007 05:12 PM
Hello, thank you for contacting Activision Customer support. We do not have any information in regards to this matter here at Activision Customer Support. We can only comment on our own product and as far as title updates for our games are concerned, we cannot comment on any unreleased patches or updates nor do we have this information. Keep checking our website and various game message boards for information on any game patches or updates.

We definitely do not have any authorization or information in regards to other company's patches or updates. You would have to check with the company in question in regards to any issues with their updates or patches available on the Sony network. We cannot "BLOCK" anything on the SONY network as we do not have this authority or power to do so.

GamerSW

12-12-2007, 11:26 AM

What if it's just some dirty dealing *******s at Microsoft paying Activision under the table to fight against PS3 compatibility, just to keep the 360 in a better light? What if they've been doing that for all these games that aren't on the PS3 but are on the 360? And maybe that's the reason why the PS3 version is the crappiest version of the Half-Life 2 Orange Box, even though it took the longest to come out? Microsoft tried to monopolize the computer industry, and now they're doing it again with the video-game industry.

Goddamn you Microsoft and Activision. You guys used to be cool, what happened to that?

krawhitham

12-12-2007, 11:27 AM

Ok, so Activision is the enemy now. It's good to at least know who's what. Thank you for this update.

I'll reread for places that I can call and email and send complaint letters to, to activision.

regards.

Does the RB guitar work with GH?

They claim want an open format but release a guitar they know would not work with the other guitar game on the market?

Sound more like they want to use others hardware but not allow their own hardware to work on other's games

dfjdejulio

12-12-2007, 11:28 AM

DrAndonuts

12-12-2007, 11:28 AM

SkullWolf

12-12-2007, 11:29 AM

We definitely do not have any authorization or information in regards to other company's patches or updates. You would have to check with the company in question in regards to any issues with their updates or patches available on the Sony network. We cannot "BLOCK" anything on the SONY network as we do not have this authority or power to do so.

... So they didn't tell you who to contact about this and denied that they even have the ability to block a patch.

What the hell?

Harmonix, I know you're probably really busy trying to get this patch out one way or another, but can you keep us updated on the specifics as much as possible so that we can use your dealings with Activision (either directly or through Sony) as support in our letters?

Clearly Activision doesn't want word to get out about this if they're denying it, so please help us prove otherwise and get the word out. ;) .

Ridiculust

12-12-2007, 11:30 AM

I have trouble believing anyone who says they got a reply already. Isn't their customer support office closed for the day? And would they really comment so soon? I hope you're right though, and this crap can get narrowed down. I'm giving it a week, then getting rid of my gh3 and both les pauls.

Gatorguy91

12-12-2007, 11:30 AM

http://hs.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6346287486

Facebook group based on the following problem

dfjdejulio

12-12-2007, 11:32 AM

They claim want an open format but release a guitar they know would not work with the other guitar game on the market?

Sound more like they want to use others hardware but not allow their own hardware to work on other's games
There's a bit of plausibility to claims otherwise, though, due to the fact that it's a more complex controller. There's twice as many fret buttons.

Know how we can tell for sure?

On the XBox, there is a cheap downloadable game called "Boom Boom Rocket". It's a trivial little rhythm game. A few weeks ago they patched it to work with Red Octane guitar controllers. I mean, it always worked if you pretended the guitar was a standard controller, but after the patch it works recognizing it as a guitar -- you have to strum to register inputs, and the tilt sensor works.

Harmonix has said that they'd work with developers that want to support their guitar.

Let's see if, in a few weeks, "Boom Boom Rocket" is patched to support the Strat. If so, that tells us something interesting. If not, that tells us something else interesting.

(And if it's patched to additionally support the drums, that will move it from "interesting" to "awesome".)

SkullWolf

12-12-2007, 11:34 AM

Does the RB guitar work with GH?

They claim want an open format but release a guitar they know would not work with the other guitar game on the market?

Sound more like they want to use others hardware but not allow their own hardware to work on other's games

Oh please.

Allowing your competitor's hardware to work with your own game only means more sales for your competitor. Harmonix can't force Activision to write Stratocaster support into GH3.

Harmonix is doing Activision a favor, and Activision is misunderstanding the issue at hand. Someone who does understand the issue and has the power to override the current decision needs to be filled in on all of the details, as it means more money in Actvision's pocket when this thing's released.

Unless it's all Sony's fault for not standing up to Activision's threats, which is just as likely :( .

Wozamil

12-12-2007, 11:37 AM

Please tell me Harmonix at least approached GH3 Dev team offering to make their very own controller compatible with their game.

I also can't figure out why Activision would block this. The way I see it, many people prefer their controller over the RB controller and would have purchased 2 of them when they start offering them seperately.

Finally, I can't believe that Sony doesn't have a controller compatibility requirement. I know it's not there place necessarily, but, issues like this is also going to create negative publicity for their console. Something Sony can't afford.

jedbeetle

12-12-2007, 11:39 AM

- this is a number for Kristin Southey who works for Activision.
I called and left a message saying i was disappointed with the blocking of the patch. Not sure what she does, but causing 1 employee grief might get their attention...

i'm pretty disgusted by this. i'm also confused about how people can implicate Sony on this matter.
That is wild and stupid conjecture.

smdura

12-12-2007, 11:40 AM

Ah, this is disappointing news. I don't really understand how Activision can stop someone from releasing a patch for a game which has nothing to do with them, unless the patch uses some of their copywritten code or something.

All you're doing is changing the way your own game works. I don't see how Activision can dictate the changes you can make.

Aldous

12-12-2007, 11:41 AM

I got a second reply from activision (another email address) it stated the same thing. Must be a form response. You will probably get a reply shortly I sent both emails about 2 minutes after this was announced by harmonix.

Edit : after fully reading the second email it changed a little here is the full text of the second email

Response (Dov Carson) - 12/12/2007 05:27 PM
Hello, thank you for contacting Activision Customer support. We do not have any information in regards to this matter here at Activision Customer Support. We can only comment on our own product and as far as title updates for our games are concerned, we cannot comment on any unreleased patches or updates nor do we have this information. Keep checking our website and various game message boards for information on any game patches or updates.

We definitely do not have any authorization or information in regards to other company's patches or updates. You would have to check with the company in question in regards to any issues with their updates or patches available on the Sony network.

Wozamil

12-12-2007, 11:43 AM

Harmonix is doing Activision a favor, and Activision is misunderstanding the issue at hand. Someone who does understand the issue and has the power to override the current decision needs to be filled in on all of the details, as it means more money in Actvision's pocket when this thing's released.
.

They've had 12 days to understand the issue. I'm pretty sure the RB team didn't just sit there waiting for a response. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt of numerous attempts and conversations in those 12 days.

onemadbeastie

12-12-2007, 11:47 AM

Calibos

12-12-2007, 11:48 AM

Here is my email to them:

Dear Activision,

I am emailing you to let you know that I just heard that you have gotten your lawyers involved and have blocked Sony and Harmonix from releasing a patch that would have allowed compatability of your Les Paul guitar in Rock Band.
I have enjoyed Guitar Hero 3 and Rock Band and have played both with equal enjoyment. However, with this latest development I can tell you that you have just lost a customer.
Since I have opened Guitar Hero 3, I sadly cannot return it- but I will stop playing it. I will also return Call of Duty 4 which I purchased for a friends Christmas present. I have also told all my friends who had bought Guitar Hero 3 (for both the Xbox360 and PS3)and told them what you've done, and I have successfully convinced 3 friends(so far) to return Guitar Hero 3. Furthermore, I have told everyone I know not to purchase any of your products and have directed them to a post on the Rock Band forums stating your actions. I even had a friend tell me he will no longer subscribe to WoW!!
Your arrongance, greed, and disdain for your customers has prompted me to boycott your products, and I will never buy another Activision product again. I know I am just 1 measly customer, but I will do all I can to spread the word of your misdeeds. I frequent Best Buy, Circuit City, Gamestop and Toys R Us, and will tell anyone I see in line to purchase your game how you treat your customers, and will do what I can to influence their buying decision. I will tell them how Rock Band is a much better game made by a much better company.
You may think you're screwing the competition, but you should realize that eventually, Harmonix and EA will sell seperate Strat guitars. It is just a matter of time until all their customers buy an extra Strat, and will have no use for your Les Paul controller anymore. And of course, I will never buy a standalone Les Paul to play head to head Guitar Hero 3.

Good Luck and Happy Holidays!!!!

SkullWolf

12-12-2007, 11:48 AM

They've had 12 days to understand the issue. I'm pretty sure the RB team didn't just sit there waiting for a response. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt of numerous attempts and conversations in those 12 days.

There is no valid reason for Activision to block this patch.

None.

If anyone can come up with one that's even remotely plausible, I'll be amazed.

Aldous

12-12-2007, 11:50 AM

There is no valid reason for Activision to block this patch.

None.

If anyone can come up with one that's even remotely plausible, I'll be amazed.

They suck. It's the only thing that i can think of

DamnTheMan

12-12-2007, 11:50 AM

Interns at Harmonix...

LEAK... THE... PATCH!!!

We can load it up on the SD slot on the ps3.
And we are all in business.

Interns, you maybe fired, but I doubt it, and even if they do, it will be for PR reasons and they will
hire you back when this whole mess passes.

That is all!

Calibos

12-12-2007, 11:54 AM

Also, DO NOT vote for any Activision game for Game of the Year.

Ninjalo

12-12-2007, 11:55 AM

Lareden

12-12-2007, 11:57 AM

And maybe that's the reason why the PS3 version is the crappiest version of the Half-Life 2 Orange Box, even though it took the longest to come out?

Looking at side-by-side comparisons (360&PS3) I couldn't really tell the difference. The PS3 may have had a teeny bit better jaggies, the 360 may have had a tiny bit better framerate, but honestly they were so close it was tough to tell. There's that video circulating that is supposed to be showing how terrible the PS3 version, when in fact it's just a farce because they recorded the PS3 footage while they initiated a quicksave (which lags up the game, just like it did on the PC).

But I do agree that I don't like Microsoft's business practices, having had to deal with them for years.

jeff1920

12-12-2007, 11:58 AM

Well yeah because the ps3 verison of the OB wasnt even by valve the ps3 ver of OB is by EA

jakeval214

12-12-2007, 11:59 AM

Zotmaster

12-12-2007, 12:01 PM

There's articles about it on 1UP, Gamespot, Kotaku, FiringSquad, ShackNews, Next Generation, Joystiq, Destructoid, Gamasutra, and PS3 Fanboy, at the very least.

Let's just hope something can be done about it...

jeff1920

12-12-2007, 12:02 PM

I'm still wondering why until now there's no update for guitar compatibility for the PS3. Did Microsoft got involve too? Like for example with HD-DVD. Just thinking. I hope this patch will be out before christmas. :D

Well if microsoft was involved in this like paying activision to block the patch isnt that aginist the law?

Weeksy

12-12-2007, 12:04 PM

There is no valid reason for Activision to block this patch.

None.

If anyone can come up with one that's even remotely plausible, I'll be amazed.

The only thing I can say - and this is purely from a business perspective - is that Activision simply don't want to "encourage" or actively participate in their product being used in a competitor's offering - it's not a great example to use, but I should imagine it would be like Sony offering a Blu-Ray drive for use in an Xbox 360 - they would be seriously hindering or even killing their own console.

Now - I don't think anyone has any doubt at this point that Activision realise they are potentially looking at the end of the "GH" franchise with the release of "Rock Band" - it hasn't been released here in Australia yet, but going into my local EB the other day - they obviously have more info than they are letting on, but I was informed that their entire allowance of PS3 & 360 pre-orders had been sold out in under 20 minutes.

I bought "GH3" the first day it came out - I still am playing it, I still very much enjoy it, but I have voiced my concerns to them on DLC still not being made available over 1 month later via E-Mail, the forums & everything else - and received nothing but silence.

To give the opposite - I sent Sean a few PM's during release week for "RB", and heard back from him each and every time with an answer to my questions very quickly.

So to get back to what I was saying - Activision simply do not care about their consumers when it comes to matters like this, because they realise they have some rapidly dying franchises on their hands ("Tony Hawk", "GH"), and want to delay the inevitable for as long as possible - allowing Harmonix & PS3 users the opportunity to utilize the Les Paul just keeps copies of "GH3" gathering dust on users shelves, DLC for it becomes less & less relevant, and the money train stops rolling.

AVC808

12-12-2007, 12:04 PM

There is no valid reason for Activision to block this patch.

None.

If anyone can come up with one that's even remotely plausible, I'll be amazed.

Again, my theory is activision's attempt at a monopoly over the genre. If they can convince the average consumer (one that doesnt find information over the internet and instead just buys the game in the store based on demos, displays, tv, magazines, or word of mouth) that the rockband franchise is total crap because they cant play with a bassist unless they find someone with a 2nd bundle, or overpay for an extra strat on ebay, or if the guitar craps out they cant even play with a working guitar...then that consumer will immediately separate themselves from buying anything related to rock band. so far people that enjoy the guitar games have no major issues with guitar hero. true this is only for one platform, but bad PR is bad PR.
luckily it's backfiring and activision is the one getting the negative press. keep those emails/phone calls going. only a matter of time before they cave. make sure to resend those emails again tomorrow, and the day after...if it all comes in one wave and ends after a couple days they'll think the whole thing just blew over.

filterban

12-12-2007, 12:04 PM

This is really, really stupid by Activision. What could they possibly gain from doing this? Sour grapes?

They've lost many, many customers... when they could have gained so much more.

I'd really like to talk to the person that made this decision. I'm sure it's a white collar stuffed suit who really thinks he knows how to drum up business.

Harmonix, kudos to you for being honest and for playing nice with the competitor's peripherals.

Now, this leaves the door open for someone to create a USB translator that converts from Guitar Hero III to Rock Band Stratocaster.

It also should be reported to all gaming news sites ASAP. I'm reporting to IGN.

Arkusai

12-12-2007, 12:04 PM

I believe we are getting a bit off topic here. If we want the issue with compatibility ironed out we will need a good deal of solidarity. The XBox 360 is an amazing system (I don't own one), that is selling very well with a great current library. The Ps3 (I do own one) is another amazing system with great potential and good disc formats to support awesome games in the future. The debate in this thread is purely about keeping these systems equal because the XBox 360 can use the Les Paul and the PS3 cannot.

Activision should be the focus of "evil" discussions, not any other company in this thread. :) After all, we all have rocking in common here. We just want to have the same number of friends rocking out. I have sent my angry email to Activision, and I suggest everyone else do too.

JoshKayX

12-12-2007, 12:05 PM

http://www.activision.com/index.html?module=contact#

Man...
When I Read This Thread Today, My Heart Stopped...

I Mean
Granted Harmonix Did A Great Job With The Strat, I Like The Old Style Better... And A Full Band Is Impossible To Make Without An Individual Guitar...

But If You Think About It... I See Activisions Idea Behind It...

Why Would They Put A Stamp Of Approval On Something That Will Better The Company Of Their Rival? Its The Metallica Of Games - All About The Money

Lareden

12-12-2007, 12:05 PM

... So they didn't tell you who to contact about this and denied that they even have the ability to block a patch.

What the hell?

Harmonix, I know you're probably really busy trying to get this patch out one way or another, but can you keep us updated on the specifics as much as possible so that we can use your dealings with Activision (either directly or through Sony) as support in our letters?

Clearly Activision doesn't want word to get out about this if they're denying it, so please help us prove otherwise and get the word out. ;) .

It's clever diverting wordplay. Of course they have no authority to do anything on SOMEONE ELSES NETWORK. Duh! But that doesn't mean they won't sue if Sony does release the patch.

DamnTheMan

12-12-2007, 12:07 PM

Like I said before:

LEAK THE PATCH!!!!

Lareden

12-12-2007, 12:08 PM

Well if microsoft was involved in this like paying activision to block the patch isnt that aginist the law?

You'd be surprised how often they've done some immoral stuff. And how often they've been successfully sued/settled out of court. Not that I'm suggesting they have anything to do with this. I'm sure this is just Activision's thing, they're top-dog right now and laughing on their high-horse.

senseone

12-12-2007, 12:08 PM

Contact Activision http://www.activision.com/index.html#

Activision,
Your decision to deny your customers the full experience of your product is terrible. I know people who will or would have bought GH3 just to add the bonus guitar to their rock band set. You can only make money from this patch. To not get involved in developing the patch is one thing but to deny already developed software... What are you afraid of? This portrays Activision as selfish and greedy and will only hurt your business. Please provide some explanation as to why you choose to frustrate your once patriotic customers and deter future customers. I will never buy or endorse any Activision product ever again if this decision is not reversed prior to stand-alone guitars coming available from Harmonix. I hope this news spreads across the internet/gaming world like wildfire. Harmonix is going to come out looking like the prodigal son.

Ulver

12-12-2007, 12:17 PM

Anyone wanna buy a used PS3 Rock Band and GH3? I'll give you a good deal!

djelgato

12-12-2007, 12:18 PM

5 days later and we still dont see an update to the infamous patch that was supposed to be released last week. Whats going on Harmonix, an update would help a lot.

Ryaldeco

12-12-2007, 12:19 PM

It's clever diverting wordplay. Of course they have no authority to do anything on SOMEONE ELSES NETWORK. Duh! But that doesn't mean they won't sue if Sony does release the patch.

And what exactly would they be suing Sony for? Letting their controller work on another game? Are you presuming that they forced Sony into signing off on some kind of agreement that they would never allow any other games to work with Activision's controller before they would develop a PS3 version? Just curious. I'm actually wondering if Activision-Blizzard or whatever tried to pull "Do you want the rest of our games to be 360 exclusive?" I mean, why would Sony stand behind them on this?

I'm also curious if EA has anything to say about this. If Sony is withholding the patch because 'Activision objects to the patch being released', I think EA should object to the patch NOT being released. The ball would really be in Sony's court then.

Ridiculust

12-12-2007, 12:20 PM

please say you're kidding. then leave.

Arkusai

12-12-2007, 12:23 PM

I assume your post is a joke djelgato, but if it isn't the update is this thread. The contents of said update are that the patch is not coming because Activision has legally blocked the compatibility patch.

Roxxer

12-12-2007, 12:23 PM

Activision can go die. They both win, why don't they see that? they could use the rock band guitars for GH3 but nooooooooo. activision has to be activision and say "waaaa no you can't use blah blah blah. they don't realize that people have to buy Gh3 in order to use the guitar for rock band. so if all activision cares about is making money. why not release the patch. idiots:confused::confused:

tricid

12-12-2007, 12:23 PM

I've been sitting on the sidelines during this whole ordeal from the beginning, patiently waiting for someone to make things right. I don't think I've ever been more excited or more disappointed in a game in my 15+ years as a gamer.

The guitar compatibility issue has been fishy from the very beginning. It seems both sides are sticking their fingers in their ears screaming "HE STARTED IT!" while all of the consumers suffer. I'm not sure I believe things are as simple as this forum post suggests for several reasons.

1. It works on the xbox. Obviously something was done differently on the two consoles, all of the old guitars work on one but not the other. This could be either sides fault, but should also eliminate any reasonable complaints against a patch being released to make one game on one console use the same peripherals from the same companies on the other. Logically and legally I would think this would apply. As an added bonus, I don't think they could sue HMX over it even if they wanted to. How many hardware devices are reverse engineered to be used in ways they weren't intended? There's lines, but it is perfectly legal (assuming there is no encryption methods used in the devices communication at least. that gets tricky). Making _your_ program accept some other hardware does not infringe any patents, not any patent that could possibly be valid at least. The patents here in my opinion cover the guitar themselves, not what they're plugging in to. If this wasn't the case companies like microsoft would be file suits against everyone over their pc hardware controllers (mice, keyboards, joysticks, etc)working with non microsoft software (games, operating systems, etc). If there's one company in the world evil enough to do it, it's them, and they don't, so that tells me it's not real standing for a suit.

2. If HMX really cared, they would work on an official adapter for ps2 controllers to work, or a patch to make existing adapters work (the patch would be easy enough. I'm a developer, don't b/s me on this point) They have made no signs of doing this, so I'm of the opinion they don't really care.

3. This just stinks of a publicity stunt by hmx (apologies if I'm incorrect. Pending official statements from sony and or activision confirming what HMX states, I'm sticking by this opinion)

What could be the motivation behind this? Money. Plain and simple. If HMX hardware is your only option, they sell more of them. Any scheme possible to ensure this makes HMX more money in the end.

What I believe is going on is HMX is either causing or passively allowing as many delays as possible regarding compatibility because they are counting on the massive amounts of sales of the guitars once they are released individually. Think about it, it fits. After the initial surge of these sales (most people who would buy a second guitar will buy it as soon as it is available), I bet we'll see compatibility. At that point it won't matter as much, they already made their sales quota.

Because of these disgusting turns of events, I have decided gh3 and rb are the last games I ever purchase from either company (at least until the smoke clears and the one truly at fault comes to light. My opinion is they're both at fault though). I'll no longer purchase any DLC for either game. I may check out frets on fire again and let that satisfy my rythm gaming desires and leave it at that.

P.S. I won't even get started on how unreliable your hardware has been

Disclaimers: I'm not a lawyer, I am a programmer, I don't work for either company, and I could be 100% wrong on all points.

jozbaldwin

12-12-2007, 12:32 PM

Like I said before:

LEAK THE PATCH!!!!

Hahahaha, that would be awesome, assuming we could install it somehow from a flash drive or something like that.

keith921

12-12-2007, 12:33 PM

i think it would be possible for someone to leak the patch and for us to install it.

Grizzified

12-12-2007, 12:38 PM

Sent My E-mail(s):

Dear Sir of Madam,

I am contacting you in my dissatisfaction in Activision's action to block the guitar peripheral compatibility patch for Guitar Hero 3 and Rock Band created by Harmonix. I feel this action is completely unjustified. As a consumer, I will keep this in mind when making future game purchases. I own both of the games: Guitar Hero 3 and Rock Band for the Sony Playstation 3.

According to a statement from Harmonix and MTV Games, makers of Rock Band:
"The compatibility patch was submitted, approved and had been scheduled for release by Sony on Tuesday, December 4. Unfortunately, Activision objected to the release of the compatibility patch. The patch remains with Sony, but we have been told that it will unfortunately not be released due to Activision's continued objection."

Please act responsibly and work to rectify this situation.

Sincerely,

***** *****

edit

razalom

12-12-2007, 12:43 PM

Weirdest decision ever from Activision

Email sent expressing my sadness at this decision

Pointed out to them as well that as I bought the ps3 standalone version they just lost $150 AU Dollars on the 2 GH3 guitars I would have purchased.

Way to lose money Activison! :rolleyes:

srkishy

12-12-2007, 12:44 PM

I'm kinda busy and haven't checked if anyone posted this yet, but this is my first reply from activision:

Hello, thank you for contacting Activision Customer support. We do not have any information in regards to this matter here at Activision Customer Support. We can only comment on our own product and as far as title updates for our games are concerned, we cannot comment on any unreleased patches or updates nor do we have this information. Keep checking our website and various game message boards for information on any game patches or updates.

We definitely do not have any authorization or information in regards to other company's patches or updates. You would have to check with the company in question in regards to any issues with their updates or patches available on the Sony network. We cannot "BLOCK" anything on the SONY network as we do not have this authority or power to do so.

Interesting words, but still, theres no way Activision will get away with not making an official announcement tomorrow. It will be interesting how this plays out.

bladearrowney

12-12-2007, 12:46 PM

Not to steal any of the thunder from boycotting Activision, but has anyone considered the possibility that the creation of this patch violates Activision's IP (IP meaning Intellectual Property if you didn't know). It's entirely possible the whole reason they are upset is that HMX reverse engineered the Les Paul to design a compatibility patch (how else would you make a compatibility patch?) without express permission from Activision/RO. This would result in legal action, a blocking of the patch, etc, as protection of your companies IP is priority one.

HMX, could you please cite whatever reason was given for the blocking of this compatibility patch? I would really like to know.

espher

12-12-2007, 12:47 PM

Wall of text hits you for a bajillion damage.

As for the 360/PS3 difference, two possibilities:

a) 360 controller was built on the GH2 framework, which Harmonix has proficiency with and could code for. PS3 controller was built on new framework, and support had to be patched in.

b) 360 and PS3 controllers are both built off of existing framework and work fine, but the 360 controller uses Microsoft's standard wireless tech whereas the PS3 version uses a proprietary dongle, and support had to be patched in.

As for PS2 controller support, well, it's not a PS2 game. Clearly there are issues of some kind where support is concerned -- I'd say this is highlighted by the fact that we've yet to see a fully functioning adapter from companies that specialize in this sort of thing (hi Pelican).

My CAD$0.02.

Huskie

12-12-2007, 12:49 PM

...
Make a patch for RB for the PS3 that lets you use a generic controller to play. Don't even specify exactly how. Make it so that the player can configure which controller inputs map to which guitar features.

Then, if players happen to plug in a Les Paul, and it's recognized as a generic non-guitar controller, and players happen to configure it so the red fret on the Les Paul matches what the game expects a red fret to be, well...

...

I think this is a great idea. It should be done for all platforms.
It should help for any future peripherals that get released.

AVC808

12-12-2007, 12:49 PM

3. This just stinks of a publicity stunt by hmx (apologies if I'm incorrect. Pending official statements from sony and or activision confirming what HMX states, I'm sticking by this opinion)

Actually making shet up and calling out Activision would open up a serious libel suit and Harmonix/EA would be paying damages to Activision for loss revenues over the "publicity stunt"

derrikirred

12-12-2007, 12:52 PM

Although it is too late now, I wonder if this would have been an issue if HMX had made the GHIII controller compatible before they launched.

Either way, this is completely lame on Activision's part.

tricid

12-12-2007, 12:54 PM

As for the 360/PS3 difference, two possibilities:

a) 360 controller was built on the GH2 framework, which Harmonix has proficiency with and could code for. PS3 controller was built on new framework, and support had to be patched in.

b) 360 and PS3 controllers are both built off of existing framework and work fine, but the 360 controller uses Microsoft's standard wireless tech whereas the PS3 version uses a proprietary dongle, and support had to be patched in.

As for PS2 controller support, well, it's not a PS2 game. Clearly there are issues of some kind where support is concerned -- I'd say this is highlighted by the fact that we've yet to see a fully functioning adapter from companies that specialize in this sort of thing (hi Pelican).

My CAD$0.02.

The dongle has no effect. The dongle plugs in to the playstation, and from the moment it plugs in to the ps3 is what matters, which has to go by whatever communication standard ps3 hardware uses. What comes between the dongle and guitar, over the wireless airspace, can be as different as night and day, but once it plugs in to the usb port it has to use some standard of communication. The devices using dongles is not a valid argument against, well, anything.

It can say ABC or XYZ over the wireless protocol, but once it plugs in to the playstation itself it has to speak the playstations language, which I'm sure is common to all accessories (enough to be easily adapted to at least).

oddroot

12-12-2007, 12:54 PM

I don't really know why they need Sony in the first place to patch it... i mean when we all fired up RB the first time how did it get patched? Directly from HMX, not through some DL in the Sony Store... course they'd be in a pile of legal trouble, depending on how they worded the release... it's not technically illegal to reverse engineer anything, and as someone else said, if they enabled standard ps3 controllers, anything should really be possible (course adding keymapper to the game would help even more).

Wozamil

12-12-2007, 12:54 PM

Anyone else feel that this is going to turn into a bigger fiasco in the next day or two. Anytime one company publicly flames (for a lack of a better word) another, there is always a statement issued from the company getting flamed.

Everyone should get a bag of popcorn because this will get interesting.

In the end, there is no question that Harmonix is a stand up company and will do the right thing. Just look at how quickly they reacted to the faulty guitar issue.

stickshady2007

12-12-2007, 12:57 PM

Boycott future activision games! I have a 360 but thats utter crap to be so stingy- Someone put up Actision is the grinch that stole xmas on dig.com and I'll vote for it to be front page!

Motley

12-12-2007, 01:06 PM

I had an account here once before, the name's Bloodlust. I'm known to Harmonix staff as the guy whose nephew peed on his guitar. They sent me a free game and controller for my troubles (Xbox 360), but I still don't have my 360 working, so yeah. Well, long story short I bought Rock Band and get it for Christmas but wish to use the GH3 Les Paul instead. Here's my message to Activision.

I purchased Guitar Hero 3 on the day it came out for PS2. I wanted the PS3 but we can overlook that minor issue.

On the day that Harmonix Music Systems released "Rock Band" I purchased it as a Christmas gift to myself. Upon seeing and testing the Rock Band guitar I had decided that it would be best to use the standard PS3 Guitar Hero 3 guitar. All I needed was the go ahead from Harmonix with a patch that would enable the Guitar Hero 3 Les Paul to work with Rock Band.

I waited and waited until Harmonix released a statement today confirming what I had suspected: Activision was, and is, behind the delayed patch.

Even though I have GH3 for PS2 I was going to acquire GH3 for PS3 as well, for the Les Paul as mentioned before. However, until the patch for Rock Band is allowed, and indeed encouraged, to be released by Activision, I shall not be purchasing anymore activision products, including, but not limited to the Tony Hawk series, which I've fanatically followed from 1999 to present.

If Activision can't respect me, the customer, more than to delay a patch that would help me, the customer, out, then I can't respect you enough to purchase your games any longer.

I advise you to change your minds, as this could quickly turn into a Public Relations nightmare.

Thank you for your time,
a concerned customer of nearing ten years.

Reaper2099

12-12-2007, 01:08 PM

Ive never really liked Activision but I would never have believed that they would do something this underhanded and shady. @ anyone who thinks that they are full of shiz, I have no reason to doubt Harmonix they have been nothing but supportive, imo, and have released this same statement publicly to 1up.com so I doubt that they are lying.

heh,

my choices in November,

Rockband vs GH3

Mass Effect vs COD4

guess where my money went :D , and in both cases am not the slightest bit regretful

TKurata

12-12-2007, 01:11 PM

Unbelievable. Let's rally in Washington. I'm calling my congressman.
:mad::mad::mad::mad:

tricid

12-12-2007, 01:11 PM

Actually making shet up and calling out Activision would open up a serious libel suit and Harmonix/EA would be paying damages to Activision for loss revenues over the "publicity stunt"

This is true, but I'd want this sentence clarified:

"Unfortunately, Activision objected to the compatibility patch's release. The patch remains with Sony, but we have been told that it will unfortunately not be released due to Activision's continued objection."

It doesn't say if activision objected directly to sony, or HMX, and it doesn't say who "told" that it would not be released (HMX or sony). The vagueness of that sentence can give them room to play. Maybe activision complained to HMX and HMX used it as a convenient reason to delay.

I can't buy that there is any solid legal reasoning preventing this patch from being released. Patent law wouldn't cover it, neither would IP of any sort I can think of. Harmonix would not be touching activisions "IP". Remapping button configuration to work with a certain accessory couldn't possibly cause a successful lawsuit against them. Once a controller is hooked to the ps3 (think dongle to ps3, not guitar to dongle), it goes by sony's standards that any game should be able to access.

If it isn't HMX being extremely passive, than it has to fall back on to Sony for letting activision have too much say about their console.

I'd honestly rather find out it's sony's fault than HMX's.

Justpunt

12-12-2007, 01:13 PM

I recommend we all just keep calling Activision's Corporate HQ. Here is the number and the address.

Activision, Incorporated
3100 Ocean Park Boulevard
Santa Monica, CA 90405
(310) 255-2000

Call away and be relentless!!!

:mad:

dafrey23

12-12-2007, 01:15 PM

Reaper2099

12-12-2007, 01:18 PM

oh lord, emails and phone calls, this just got a little more interesting, hehehe, post your responses when (hmm, if?) you get them

DoctorWho

12-12-2007, 01:24 PM

Send courteous, polite, respectful emails to the following address. Be logical and concise and who knows what will happen. Oh, and anyone who's a shareholder in the company should make note of that.

Robert A. Kotick

You can also try his assistants...

Connie Fox

Lauren Barry

I just sent them all the same e-mail. Please flood their inbox! :)

************************************************** ************************
Hello,

I have purchased 2 Guitar Hero 3 bundles to play Co-Op and also to use on the new game Rock Band. I was just informed by Sony that your company is refusing to allow your controllers to work with other games.

If you can confirm this and this is indeed true, I would ask that you allow your controllers to be used on other systems or you run the risk of boycotting from myself (who's bought every Guitar Hero game since existence) and all others who are aware of this issue.

Looking forward to your response, thank you for your time!

theBishop

12-12-2007, 01:28 PM

Wow, thanks Harmonix for giving consumers a voice in this mess.

By any chance, would the patch in question allow controllers from GH1/2 on the PS2 work with Rockband through the USB adapters on the market?

I bought an adapter from Pelican in order to play my old Guitar Hero games on the PS3. It would be great if I could use them with Rockband.

korg

12-12-2007, 01:28 PM

I also wrote an email, let's see if we'll receive a response!!

What a shame!!

yesitseasynow

12-12-2007, 01:30 PM

To all my fellow LA Rock Band-owners,
I think we can all agree that this is complete and total BS on Activision's part, and that they need to be made aware of this as soon as possible. Their offices are in Santa Monica at 3100 Ocean Park Blvd, and I suggest that every pissed-off Rock Band owner in the Los Angeles area should go down there and stage a protest. Letters and emails are too easy to brush off, but if we show that we are committed to this issue by marching in front of their doors, they will act.
I've made a separate thread for this under Main Category > Rock Band (http://community.rockband.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=15530) and if anyone else likes this idea, please tell everyone you know about it and go to the thread to reply with suggestions about a date and time. The sooner the better, but we do have to give this idea time to get around.
Also, to 360 owners, even though this is not affecting you, I'm sure you guys realize how ridiculous it is, and I hope you help our cause in any way you can, by coming to this thing or just sending an angry letter or e-mail. A gamer's a gamer, and we should help each other out, regardless of what system you prefer. Thanks.

onemadbeastie

12-12-2007, 01:30 PM

Send courteous, polite, respectful emails to the following address. Be logical and concise and who knows what will happen. Oh, and anyone who's a shareholder in the company should make note of that.

thanks for those i'll add them to the list on page 2

I got this auto response and another phone# back from Bobby Kotick's email :

This is an automatic message:
I am out of the office and NOT checking messages frequently. If it is urgent please call Connie Fox or Lauren Barry at 310-255-2509.

the other two went through

DoctorWho

12-12-2007, 01:32 PM

thanks for those i'll add them to the list on page 2

I got this auto response and another phone# back from Bobby Kotick's email :

This is an automatic message:
I am out of the office and NOT checking messages frequently. If it is urgent please call Connie Fox or Lauren Barry at 310-255-2509.

the other two went through

Hehe... if you REALLY wanted to be nasty, you can see that they're using Outlook. It's not very hard to get an IP from having an automated out of office reply sent back :)

HPLabonte

12-12-2007, 01:32 PM

Thanks man. Any help from 360 users is awesome.

Hey man, no problem, this is seriously the best game i've played in at least five years. With a full band, it's the most fun i've had ever playing a video game. You PS3 guys deserve it. It's terrible that Activision has this stranglehold.

thescottishguy

12-12-2007, 01:33 PM

Hi, I'm a consumer, I don't just mean I buy things in general, I mean I buy lots of things, including a large amount of video games, I think nothing of dropping a few hundred dollars on games at the weekend. I know this probably doesn't interest you but the next thing should.

I own guitar hero II, I own Rock band, I'd love to play guitar hero III but I won't buy it, it's not the cost, it's not that I can't find it, it's because you refuse to allow cross compatability of the guitar peripherals, if this issue was ever resolved there's at least one more sale for GHIII, and I'm quite sure I'm not alone.

It fails me why you would not want GHIII guitars to operate with rock band, you're getting the sale of the guitar anyway right? is there something I'm missing? I can almost understand not wanting Rock band guitars to work with GHIII, even if I disagree with it on principle.

Harmonix have openly stated that they'll work hard to ensure compatibility, why won't you?

potential customer.

~Chris Frost~
~Huge Geek~
~Disposable income~
~Target Demographic~

I'm curious to see if i get a response.

RockBand.com