No Drum Fills? I'm Not Buying it then!! Stupid Decision!!!

[UnkTob]

I was excited about The Beatles Rock Band, and even already had a party planned for Saturday Sept 12th... I have invited my normal Rock Band people to come over and take turns playing, (There's usually about 6 to 8 of us) and also invited my Dad, and Uncles and Aunts, since they like the Beatles!

But then my heart sank.... I read it in another forum, and thought they must be wrong, but I just read it in the official "Facts and Rumors" thread.... NO DRUM FILLS?? ARE YOU CRAZY? That's the best part of the game for me... Sure, I understand that some (ok, most) people just randomly hit the pads as fast as they can, but then make it so you can turn off the drum fills if you want... Don't take them out!!! That's my absolute favorite part of the game!!!!

What a horrible decision, Harmonix! I have canceled my pre-order, canceled my Party, and I'm so mad, I'm not going to buy any more songs for Rock Band 2.. (Well, unless there's finally some Van Halen)

There's lots of debate about just how much fun Ringo's drum parts will be to play, and then to top it off, you take away one of the best aspects of the game for the drummers? ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Harmonix.... FIX THIS!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[harveyglobetrot]

OK, enjoy that.

[chrth_rb]

I may be saying this incorrectly, but:

instead of using the "freestyle drum fill" option that is in RB2, you'll be playing the actual drum fills that Ringo used, i.e., the fills will be charted. Yes, it'll make the game harder, but at least you'll be playing the drums correctly.

[Regulus]

You're probably the only person so far who complained about it being removed.

[Relauby]

I'm sorry, but even for people that do fills right, I don't want my Beatles music to sound any different than it should.

[zepplinmike]

I knew about this, I play drums in RB 95% of the time, and I don't care.

[rad5brandon]

That would have been one awesome ass party. It's not too late dude, taking off drum fills is not that big of deal, so re buy your preorder and re plan your party, before your internet fueled rage ruins your expierence of the beatles.

[jayou521]

Oh please... :rolleyes:


You're probably the only person so far who complained about it being removed.
This is most likely true.

[slickerdrips]

I'm happy that Ringo's fills have been kept :)

There's always freestyle mode on RB2 if you're desperate to do your own crashing about...

[UnkTob]

I'm sorry, but even for people that do fills right, I don't want my Beatles music to sound any different than it should.

That's funny... so they should remove the whammy bar for guitars, and not have singers? This is a game, after all.... ;)

[Captendo]

Nothing against you, but I think it's pretty dumb to have a judgement over the Beatles just basing yourself on the drum fills. Even if I think they're pretty cool.

[frankieman]

@ UnkTob

They do remove the Whammy sound for guitar, you can use it but it won't alter the sound.

Drum fills are a waste of good music, I have not once heard anyone(including myself) do a proper fill online or offline. And besides imo it's pretty sad to not buy a game(which you were clearly into) just because it lacks drum fills with all due respect

[mva5580]

If that one thing causes you to cancel your pre-order and all the other things you mention, you didn't want the game that bad to begin with. Bye.

[Sayburr]

Great entertainment! Thank you so much.

[cutmaclass]

You play Rock Band for the whole 15 seconds that you get to wail on the drums in each song? Dude, get your priorities straight. It's The Beatles! They shouldn't mess with that music.

[UnkTob]

You're probably the only person so far who complained about it being removed.

This is just my opinion... Honestly, I'm saddened that there are not more people on this forum that feel this way. (There's no way I'm the only one; I've seen others with the same opinion on other boards, but was hoping for some support for the option of turning "personal fills" on/off.)

To others:
I won't call somebody else's opinion "stupid", since that's just plain rude. It is, after all, just an opinion. Personally, getting to make up my own fills is my little reward for playing well, and literally is my favorite part of playing RB... again, I understand others might not feel the same way (and probably do not practice them as often as I do), and I'm cool with other people having different opinions.... After all, I did put a poll in this so we could get an actual count for some different opinions...

And Yes... I am painfully aware that I am alone with this opinion... so far. ;)

[Daytrip]

This thread owns

[KC3Dogs]

I won't call somebody else's opinion "stupid", since that's just plain rude.

Sort of what you did to HMX's decision? See Thread Subject.

[V3R64DUR4M0N]

where is the "i prefer it" option

[Apples]

Personally, I have found the notes under the freeform sections contain some of the more interesting pieces of drumwork.

[UnkTob]

Sort of what you did to HMX's decision? See Thread Subject.

LOL! Good Point! There are plenty of stupid decisions... decisions are different than opinions, IMO. ;) I thought it was a stupid decision, since I thought more people would feel this way... Apparently, I'm more alone than I thought.

So.... I guess I should say, I strongly disagree with what I see as a very poor decision on Harmonix part.

[Captendo]

To others:
I won't call somebody else's opinion "stupid", since that's just plain rude. It is, after all, just an opinion. Personally, getting to make up my own fills is my little reward for playing well, and literally is my favorite part of playing RB... again, I understand others might not feel the same way (and probably do not practice them as often as I do), and I'm cool with other people having different opinions.... After all, I did put a poll in this so we could get an actual count for some different opinions...

Didn't mean to offend you, but this game is just deeper than your average music game: it's a Beatles game, not a music game. It's a Beatles game which shares gameplay elements with Rockband. Did you ever wonder why it's not called Rockband: Beatles or why it's not a track pack or a simple DLC? It's a full Beatles project and it requires many different things than a "simple" Rockband. That's all ;)

[Dr.RockBand]

they are trying to make it more realistic without drum fills. and anyway, that's a stupid reason not 2 buy a great game.

[BBBD]

Drum fills are a waste of good music, I have not once heard anyone(including myself) do a proper fill online or offline.

This guy knows how to do a drum fill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSaXwk32rdo


I'm not going to buy any more songs for Rock Band 2.. (Well, unless there's finally some Van Halen)



I can understand not wanting to get TB:RB, but never buying any DLC again unless it's Van Halen is a pretty extreme reaction.

[Chopper13]

I'm Glad the free style drum fills are gone. There have been far to many times playing on quick play where I purposely miss a note for overdrive, so I don't get the stupid free style fill, I WANT to play the actual fill. Not some lame crap I improvise

[travmeatwad]

You're right, not buying the game because it doesn't have drum fills IS a stupid decision.

[dabrry0523]

This is the most absurd reason ive herd about not getting the game. Just because theirs no drum fills( but there is a drum fill its just what Ringo actually played) Id rather hear what all of the older people herd when they grew up listing to the Beatles especially since im only 15 and never herd them live and to be honest what ive herd of the Beatles(either through Vinyl or Tribute bands) Ringo's fills make the song go along just fine and their no problem for me(And may i ask do you know how to read or know anything at all about music??????????????)

[whofan]

That's funny... so they should remove the whammy bar for guitars, and not have singers? This is a game, after all.... ;)
Whammying does nothing on guitar in TB:RB, care to take another attempt at a swing? You're on strike 2 now

[Sayburr]

So, freestyle fills are important to the OP and that person has decided not to get the game because of it.

Exportability is important to me, and I have decided not to get the game because of it.

Those facts are not important to the majority of the population. Only to the few outliers like myself, those few of us who see these things as decisions that we believe should have been made differently. That just makes us different from the majority, not necessarily wrong.

I honestly thought the OP was a joke, thus my initial post for which I apologize for. You have the right to voice your opinion on the decisions made within the game as well as anyone else in these forums.

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

No drum fills, and the guitar whammy is only used to gather star power, but does nothing to alter the sound of the music.

It's the Beatles.

You don't **** with the Beatles sound.

End thread.

[FastSolo.]

Wow. You fail, sir.

[karaokefreak]

I partially agree with the OP.
When I fist saw TBRB at E3, i was pretty disapointed, since i really LOVE to play free fills. And a whammy without any effect is practically useless, except for OD

So in my opinion, TBRB goes backwards in gameplay and forces more upon the player than any other rhythm game. Actually, TB RB is the very first modern western music game with no free performance at all! So I am sure that in my review this will definetely fall on the negative side. However, I undestand that they wanted to keep Ringos fills to make drum gameplay harder, and so i accept that decision.

However, I really hope that HMX won't keep this decision for Rock Band 3, because there HAS to be at least a little bit of free performance where its possible. I play these games because of the music-aspect and since I make RL music, I really appreciate the encouragement to do something yourself, even if it might sound bad.

The Beatles Rock band is even more casual than rock band is already, and I guess it is made that way for the audience, I just hope that this is no prospect for the future, because it is those little things that separate RB from GH. RB should go foreward in gameplay and real musical reference, not backwards...

[odd-props]

"RB should go foreward in gameplay and real musical reference, not backwards..."

real musical reference?

um...that's exactly what they are doing in Rock Band Beatles.

[liaminh]

The NY Times article explains why TB:RB had to take some steps backward in terms of gameplay in order to do pull this game off without sacrificing the Beatles in the process.

[Knucklesdude]

I think drum fills are usually simply too obnoxious. Taking them out really allows people to understand and appreciate Ringo's style.

[afterstasis]

i love my drum-fills, but it's certainly not going to keep me from buying and enjoying this.

[ArchangelZero]

It's nice that they kept Ringo's fills. It's good keeping the music as faithful as possible to the mixes.

[Wave57]

Since no drum fills makes the game harder, that means I'm all for it.
And besides this is Ringo, Ringo Starr.

[BigMonkE]

Personally, I have found the notes under the freeform sections contain some of the more interesting pieces of drumwork.

especially in limelight. i hate not being able to play the cool fills neil does in that because of star power. it honestly makes me just play it in practice mode sometimes. >:\

[HarrisonFan]

*facepalm*

[karaokefreak]

"RB should go foreward in gameplay and real musical reference, not backwards..."

real musical reference?

um...that's exactly what they are doing in Rock Band Beatles.

well, what I meant is some reference to self made music, not recorded music. Anmd as written in the NYT Article, Alex himself said that is a "dial Back"

[Ehfahq]

Thats your loss.

[lucaspaul22]

You're right, not buying the game because it doesn't have drum fills IS a stupid decision.

This.

[mva5580]

The 3 people who are not buying the game just because of this subject are proof-positive that no matter what decision would be made in the world, someone would disagree with it.

[Sayburr]

The 3 people who are not buying the game just because of this subject are proof-positive that no matter what decision would be made in the world, someone would disagree with it.
Nothing more truthful can be said.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Ringo did like 5 fills in his entire career with The Beatles. It would be untrue to the source material to keep drum fills in.

[T-Hybrid]

Such silly things to get uppity over...

[Salvatoris]

I agree with the OP. I play drums most of the time, and the drum fills are my favorite part. I wasn't going to buy a whole game of dusty old Beatles music anyway... but I still think it's pretty lame that the game will have no freestyle fills.

[IErrantVentureI]

I doubt Harmonix will miss your money that much.

[karaokefreak]

Ringo did like 5 fills in his entire career with The Beatles. It would be untrue to the source material to keep drum fills in.

what? Actually he has a lot of different fills in many songs - he barely did one fill twice.

[hmxhenry]

I'm reminded of all the angry emails we got immediately after the launch of RB1 complaining about how drum fills messed up their flow, made them lose the beat, and weren't as faithful to the original song. Go figure.

Sorry to hear that you're so distraught over the lack of freestyle drum fills in TB:RB. Hopefully you still give the game a shot at some point, as there's a whole lot more that the game has to offer beyond 3 second long improvised drum fills.

[Apples]

especially in limelight. i hate not being able to play the cool fills neil does in that because of star power. it honestly makes me just play it in practice mode sometimes. >:\

That's a good example. I commend your exquisite drumming taste.

[Die-Guitar-Hero]

where is the poll option for "I love this decision and completely agree with it"?

[CEEDZ13]

That's funny... so they should remove the whammy bar for guitars, and not have singers? This is a game, after all.... ;)

its funny you say that, the whammy bars will do nothing in the game except make sustains look really cool and give you overdrive, but yeah.


the reason for these differences is that the beatles didnt want thier music tampered with lol

[Die-Guitar-Hero]

I have really gotten tired of drum fills in Rock Band. Not only do they keep me from playing what the original drummer played, They are a big issue when people have laggy HD TVs and really can throw everybody off. I'd always prefer to have them turned off.

[pelemerengue]

I actually wish they would get rid of the create-a-fills for regular Rock Band, as well. Regardless of how well you perform them, they always sound awful, mostly because the drum samples they use never match the sonic quality of the actual drum track.

EDIT: Apparently, so do many of you.

[beatlekorey]

I'm sorry, but even for people that do fills right, I don't want my Beatles music to sound any different than it should.

+1

[jenjen961]

Wow, I just realized that I, as a guitarist, will have no room to improvise in this game. Darn Beatles, being so demanding that their actual song gets played in actuality.

[frankieman]

I'm reminded of all the angry emails we got immediately after the launch of RB1 complaining about how drum fills messed up their flow, made them lose the beat,

Not that send you any angry emails but I'm one of those people who lose the beat with a fill. I'm an okay drummer but I really need to concentrate on keeping the beat once I got it and I always lose the rythm and beat when there's a fill.

[karaokefreak]

well, for me that is exactly the point in drum fills. It helps me keeping the beat by myself and leaves some room for improvisation. The real trick is to get back into the beat, and I love that! That is actually "making music" even if it is only three seconds.

[Icyjoe14]

as soon as i saw the E3 trailer with no fills, i made a thread much like this, finally somebody agrees with me. it certainly doesn't change my purchase decision, im still unsure, but its still a letdown

[Relauby]

I bet Phil Spectre would've loved drum fills to be in the game.

[pelemerengue]

I bet Phil Spectre would've loved drum fills to be in the game.
Probably. Though his main priority would've been to overdub a string orchestra and choir over every song.

[juan29zapata]

I think this was one of the conditions that Apple imposed Harmonix when developingg the game, "do not modify the song", I don't mind I'd rather stick with Ringo's original chart.

[FloydPink]

I think this was one of the conditions that Apple imposed Harmonix when developingg the game, "do not modify the song", I don't mind I'd rather stick with Ringo's original chart.

That's most likely it.

[Sgt.Pepper]

I agree with the OP. I play drums most of the time, and the drum fills are my favorite part. I wasn't going to buy a whole game of dusty old Beatles music anyway... but I still think it's pretty lame that the game will have no freestyle fills.

Dusty old Beatles music? What are you waiting for?

Rock Band: Nickelback?

Every song chart would be the same!!!

[mva5580]

Why do choices keep getting added to the poll?

I think at this point it's pretty clear that people overwhelmingly support the decision made and it's a moot point. Can we let this die and move on?

[FrogKid28]

Don't disrespect the beatles

[lucaspaul22]

Why do choices keep getting added to the poll?

I think at this point it's pretty clear that people overwhelmingly support the decision made and it's a moot point. Can we let this die and move on?

Yea, lets let this one die.

[OakTea]

There's pros and cons. At first I was disappointed. I love trying to make real drum fills, based on different fills that you play in game. Gimme Shelter is one of the most fun songs to play because there are fills that you play/learn, then you can play similar fills and it fits well in the song. It makes you feel like a real drummer.

In TB:RB, without fills, it'll help you learn and appreciate Ringo's style, and also teach some new fills or styles of fills to players.

I look forward to learning fills/a complete style in TB:RB and using it in the core Rock Band franchise.

[Rod_Stixx]

I drum most of the time these days, and I'm quite happy with the decision. Who am I to improvise over Ringo's fills? They are quite fantastic all by themselves. I'd prefer to play the Beatles stuff as is over improvising parts.

[HylianBowcaster]

I never really drummed much in Rock Band, but when I did, those drum fills just seemed out of place, like I didn't know what to do for them which I thought was kinda stupid, was I supposed to just wail on all four or something? So I'm pretty glad we've seen the end of that in The Beatles: Rock Band.

[l-o-t]

"Please tell me when the talk-back mic is off so little cry-babys dosn't go to cry-baby's house for vacations..." - Skisgaar Skwigelf.

[UnkTob]

And may i ask do you know how to read or know anything at all about music??????????????
Uh.... Yep... Started playing insturments and reading music about 32 years ago. (Saxaphone, keyboards/piano, bass guitar, baritone horn, trumpet, some singing, and now the drums. Love the drums!! :D) Maybe that' why I enjoy playing my own fills... Fills out my creative side while playing. :)


where is the poll option for "I love this decision and completely agree with it"?

Sorry... I thought the option, "Don’t' care! Hack Drummers ruin my artistic flow!" pretty much covered that, but in a slightly humorous way. lol


well, for me that is exactly the point in drum fills. It helps me keeping the beat by myself and leaves some room for improvisation. The real trick is to get back into the beat, and I love that! That is actually "making music" even if it is only three seconds.

Yes… Doing fills is actually difficult, yet very fun for me. I’m sorry more people don’t enjoy it as much as I do… I know I’m not a very good drummer yet, so I really practice fills quite a bit, and I’m told by people that have seen us play that my fills are really good. I love the little bits of creativity personal fills present. It’s why I really don’t enjoy the guitar/bass in these games that much… (Please... no flame for that! I'm very happy so many people enjoy the guitar and bass in the games!!) I like to play the drums and sing, since I’m actually really doing those things, and there’s a creative side to them…

I guess it’s just hard for people to get my viewpoint, since it really is my very favorite aspect of playing Rock Band… (well, other than the rush of playing a song really well in the game with a full band and spectators… That’s quite a high!) I actually was thought more people would feel like I do… I’m completely fine with the fact that most do not… I hope everyone enjoys the game! I hope it is as successful as they need it to be to help make RB3 even better. It’s just something that I’m unhappy about, and voicing my “purchasing voice”, hoping (yeah right) that it will somehow make a difference. (Yes… I know that it won’t… not at all… haha!)


I love trying to make real drum fills, based on different fills that you play in game. Gimme Shelter is one of the most fun songs to play because there are fills that you play/learn, then you can play similar fills and it fits well in the song. It makes you feel like a real drummer.
In TB:RB, without fills, it'll help you learn and appreciate Ringo's style, and also teach some new fills or styles of fills to players.
I look forward to learning fills/a complete style in TB:RB and using it in the core Rock Band franchise.
Well said! I too love playing that song, for the very same reason… I enjoy taking the styles of fills that are in the songs, and putting my own twist on them during the “personal fills”.


Thanks to all that participated in this thread! Well, almost all.... Let's rephrase that....
Thanks to all that participated respectfully in this thread! It was eye opening to see what a small minority opinon I have on this subject. (1.7% of the poll, at this point, agree with my viewpoint. haha!!) It hasn't changed my opinion, or my decision, but I appreciate some of the well stated viewpoints in this thread. :)

Rock on, People!

[BBBD]

I never really drummed much in Rock Band, but when I did, those drum fills just seemed out of place, like I didn't know what to do for them which I thought was kinda stupid, was I supposed to just wail on all four or something? So I'm pretty glad we've seen the end of that in The Beatles: Rock Band.

I'm glad that it's a change made for TB:RB only.

[liaminh]

I like doing the drum fills too, but not having it in TB:RB is fine by me. I don't think it's a "stupid decision". And after having read the NY Times article (which I suspect the OP hasn't done), I now understand the reasoning behind it and agree with it. It never occurred to me that I should not buy this game because there's no drum fills. To me that would be the dumber decision.

So my answer to the OP's question is simply: "No".

[johnnyoi]

Good decision not to tamper with the songs IMO, but how will the drummer activate overdrive?

[Daytrip]

Good decision not to tamper with the songs IMO, but how will the drummer activate overdrive?

http://www.fakeplasticrock.com/wp-content/uploads/beatles-rockband-new-fills.jpg

Hit the single green at the end of the highlight. And no it won't break combo if you don't hit it.

[JuliaLennon]

Frankly, the fact that this is a 100% Beatles-Only game with no carry-over of RB2 content was a lot sadder for me than "no fills."

I love the Beatles more than any other band in the history of ever, but it's still a little harsh knowing they'll be ALL I can play with this version.

Oh, well, maybe I can pick up RB2 used really cheaply once this comes out, and have the best of both worlds, eh?

[BruceDickinson]

I was excited about The Beatles Rock Band, and even already had a party planned for Saturday Sept 12th... I have invited my normal Rock Band people to come over and take turns playing, (There's usually about 6 to 8 of us) and also invited my Dad, and Uncles and Aunts, since they like the Beatles!

But then my heart sank.... I read it in another forum, and thought they must be wrong, but I just read it in the official "Facts and Rumors" thread.... NO DRUM FILLS?? ARE YOU CRAZY? That's the best part of the game for me... Sure, I understand that some (ok, most) people just randomly hit the pads as fast as they can, but then make it so you can turn off the drum fills if you want... Don't take them out!!! That's my absolute favorite part of the game!!!!

What a horrible decision, Harmonix! I have canceled my pre-order, canceled my Party, and I'm so mad, I'm not going to buy any more songs for Rock Band 2.. (Well, unless there's finally some Van Halen)

There's lots of debate about just how much fun Ringo's drum parts will be to play, and then to top it off, you take away one of the best aspects of the game for the drummers? ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Harmonix.... FIX THIS!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Do you drink alone? I mean like a lot?

[Tokarev449]

The drum fill is HMX's trademark that sets the Rock Band franchise apart from Guitar Hero! What were they thinking?!

BTW: It takes a good drummer to fill THEN return to keeping the beat. It takes an even better drummer to perform complex fills that complement the music and then revert to keeping the beat.

[frankieman]

No it isn't, the quality is what sets RB apart from GH(or at least the neversoft ones).

[Tokarev449]

No it isn't, the quality is what sets RB apart from GH(or at least the neversoft ones).

True that....
Well, the drum fill is indeed not the ONLY thing that sets RB from GH...
There's the quality, the kick ass song list, and of course let's not forget the BIG ROCK ENDINGS....

[TheRollingBones]

Have fun with not playing TBRB while I'm playing what may be the greatest music game of all time.

[iamtheddrman]

The fills suck in RB2 anyway, because if you have surround sound with a decent DAC, you see quite a bit of delay. That delay means that the notes you're playing on the drums are SIGNIFICANTLY delayed before you hear them coming out of the speakers, which ruins the beat and flow of the song. Furthermore, there's nothing HMX can do about this because it's the fault of the receiver, not the game. I think the decision to take out drum fills is wise for this game, so as to maintain the integrity of the Beatles music (just like removing whammy sounds). However, I hope that they make it an option in RB3 and later games, so that people like me can turn them off, and people like the OP can keep them on.

[PCTraitor]

I feel that if this new way of trigger overdrive works then it should be the way it's done in Rock Band 3. From what I've read I think I will prefer it, but obviously I have to play it first to make that determination.

[CycoMiko138]

I personally love the improvised drumming sections. I was pretty bummed to find out that they (and the whammying) weren't going to be included in TB:RB, but it certainly doesn't affect my excitement for this game. I'll still be picking it up on day one. One thing that I hope it does include is cymbal support for lefty drummers! Has anything been mentioned about this yet?

[TheDarthEgg]

Look, if Harmonix had insisted on keeping drum fills, this game probably wouldn't have happened. We're lucky that the Beatles are even in a game, so making some small sacrafices to enjoy their music should be enough for anyone. Would I want to make my own drum fill on She Said She Said or Rain (when they come out as DLC)? No, because those songs are better when I'm playing what Ringo was playing, not some messy random improvisation.

[timmay9]

This is blasphemy! Who do these Beetles (who suck at spelling), think they are for not wanting some 8 year old to f*ck up their songs with a rhythmically challenged drum fill? The daft wankers!

I think I'm not only going to boycott this game, but I'm contacting the prime minister!

[OakTea]

I would just like to point out that the "My drum fills don't sound good so they should remove drum fills" argument is pretty ludicrous.

I can understand wanting an option to turn them off however, because occasionally I'm in the mood to play songs without the worries of overdrive, or I don't want to miss particular fills.

But the drum fill is an essential part of Rock Band. I would certainly say it is one of the things that makes drumming in Rock Band more enjoyable than in Guitar Hero.

An option is fine. Taking away one of the reasons people prefer RB drums over GH drums is a bad move.

(And I'm referring to the theoretical RB3. I understand that they couldn't keep them in for TB:RB due to licensing reasons, but this should not become part of the main series.)

[Cliphead]

At first I thought that the Starr Power was that way because they couldn't mute the drum tracks on the really old masters, then I read about the great lengths they went through to separate all the instruments.

I'm a rubbish drummer, so I never really liked the drum fills in Everybody Else: Rock Band; I usually just keep on playing the same beat I've been playing. It also often bugs me when the fills cover up parts of the songs, like the cowbell parts in Pretty Fly for a Rabbi (I think what makes that one stick out is the samples sound nothing like the actual drum part). I can see where people liked it, but it's not exactly a dealbreaker, especially when you're copying such an underrated drummer. Also, while the whammy bar is kind of cool, is it really that big a deal?

[nbalive2005]

Really? Pretty Fly for a Rabbi?

Anyway voted no, i like it but i dont care as long as i have the beatles in a game

[iamtheddrman]

I would just like to point out that the "My drum fills don't sound good so they should remove drum fills" argument is pretty ludicrous.

I can understand wanting an option to turn them off however, because occasionally I'm in the mood to play songs without the worries of overdrive, or I don't want to miss particular fills.

But the drum fill is an essential part of Rock Band. I would certainly say it is one of the things that makes drumming in Rock Band more enjoyable than in Guitar Hero.

An option is fine. Taking away one of the reasons people prefer RB drums over GH drums is a bad move.

(And I'm referring to the theoretical RB3. I understand that they couldn't keep them in for TB:RB due to licensing reasons, but this should not become part of the main series.)
I'm not sure if your first statement was directed at me, but I meant that they should be removed from the Beatles since their main concern was the integrity of the music. Anybody with surround sound (which is a HUGE portion of the RB audience) has some sort of lag in their system, hence the calibration menu. While calibration fixes the gameplay, there's nothing they can do to eliminate the lag during fills or BREs because the lag is in the receiver, not the game. That's why I think the drum fills were rightfully removed from the Beatles game. For RB3, I think it would be alienating for the core audience to remove them altogether, but a toggle option would be ideal. I can play fills just fine, it's just the delay makes them sound pretty bad on my audio setup.

I do kind of agree about the drum fills making RB unique and better compared to GH, though the quality of the charts is the biggest deciding factor, in my opinion.

[HyeJinx1984]

One of my biggest complaints about RB when it comes to drums, and one of the reasons I play mostly guitar, is that most of the "cool parts" of drumming come in during the fills... that you just make up anyway. Kind of defeats the purpose no? So in a way... I'm happy about this.

[johnnyoi]

http://www.fakeplasticrock.com/wp-content/uploads/beatles-rockband-new-fills.jpg

Hit the single green at the end of the highlight. And no it won't break combo if you don't hit it.

Sweet, thanks.

[Pyrettablaze]

To me this would be a big problem IF the drum fills used the actual drum sounds from each track. As it is right now, when you get to a fill section, it sounds like the drummer moved to a different drum kit for that moment in time. It would be preferable that each song has a tiny mp3 for each of the drums so that the sound was fluid.

[Snake5k6]

The game does have drum fills, they're just charted.

[Flybird]

I've been drumming for 15 years now, and honestly, I really, really, really hate the drum fills in Rock Band. I can do decent-sounding fills (I say decent sounding because the drums sounds like crap anyway, and EXTREMELY out-of-place), but honestly I don't care about that. At all. I don't like the fact that the chart disappears behind them, most likely taking the more fun/difficult parts out. I don't like the fact that they sound horrible, ugly and out of place, no matter how "good" you are at fills. Plus, they're not fun to do IMO. If I want to play fills, I'll play an actual song on my kit.

I was SO relieved to hear HMX took them out in TB:RB, you guys don't even know. The drum activation they have now is genius.

[Stinger503]

I would just like to point out that the "My drum fills don't sound good so they should remove drum fills" argument is pretty ludicrous.

I can understand wanting an option to turn them off however, because occasionally I'm in the mood to play songs without the worries of overdrive, or I don't want to miss particular fills.

But the drum fill is an essential part of Rock Band. I would certainly say it is one of the things that makes drumming in Rock Band more enjoyable than in Guitar Hero.

An option is fine. Taking away one of the reasons people prefer RB drums over GH drums is a bad move.

(And I'm referring to the theoretical RB3. I understand that they couldn't keep them in for TB:RB due to licensing reasons, but this should not become part of the main series.)

This is basically what I was going to say. However I was more disappointed by the lack of whammy bar more because I'm more of a guitarist. I'm assuming that the overdrive effects aren't going to be there either. Saying that either the fills or the whammy bar are bad when people have fun with them is like saying "Don't put the cherry on my sundae!"

Also saying "don't mess with perfection" is really lame too. I don't see AC/DC, Willie Nelson, The Guess Who, The Who, Boston, Bob Dylan, Rush, The Police, The Cars, Roy Orbison, Kenny Rogers, Blue Oyster Cult, The Rolling Stones, The Clash or Bon Jovi (and MANY others) complaining about drum fills or whammy bars.

I understand Harmonix was probably told to take it out, doesn't mean you have to like it though.

[cubbiefan23]

Harmonix said this wasn't a Rock Band game, so expect some changes...

[rocknrolxdx]

That's funny... so they should remove the whammy bar for guitars, and not have singers? This is a game, after all.... ;)

How would the singer be a problem to changing the music, you're singing what the vocal part for the song is and the note, well if you are playing correctly. As for the whammy bar you are just changing the sound not making new notes, it's like having pressure sensitive drums and hitting them harder and softer, it's not changing the notes of the song or the beat its just the sound of the particular not. And canceling your party and preorder of this one detail is completley childish and makes me wonder how you can get anywhwere in life if you behave like this over a game.

[Stinger503]

How would the singer be a problem to changing the music, you're singing what the vocal part for the song is and the note, well if you are playing correctly. As for the whammy bar you are just changing the sound not making new notes, it's like having pressure sensitive drums and hitting them harder and softer, it's not changing the notes of the song or the beat its just the sound of the particular not.

Then why is the whammy bar not allowed?

[IErrantVentureI]

Actually the whammy bar does change the note's sound. It makes it more sharp or more flat, and those with real musical experience can tell you that that makes all the difference if everyone else is playing the same note and you're a half step sharp.

[Thirdkoopa]

This is true.
Fixed* :P

And no, It hasn't affected my choice on getting it. Why would it?

[Robondacob]

Frankly, the fact that this is a 100% Beatles-Only game with no carry-over of RB2 content was a lot sadder for me than "no fills."

I love the Beatles more than any other band in the history of ever, but it's still a little harsh knowing they'll be ALL I can play with this version.

Oh, well, maybe I can pick up RB2 used really cheaply once this comes out, and have the best of both worlds, eh?

Why are you surprised that The Beatles songs are going to be in a Beatles game?

[rocknrolxdx]

Then why is the whammy bar not allowed?

Where does it say the whammy bar won't be allowed?

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Then why is the whammy bar not allowed?

you can use the whammy bar. It just doesn't change the sound of the guitar. You can still use it to gain more Overdrive.

[opethian]

Personally, I couldn't care less about whether or not there are fills. Even if I did, it's hard to imagine such a small thing affecting one's decision to buy the game.

The whammy thing is a little weird. On the upside, you no longer screw up the sound of the song when collecting OD (or whatever they're calling it in this game).

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Personally, I couldn't care less about whether or not there are fills. Even if I did, it's hard to imagine such a small thing affecting one's decision to buy the game.

The whammy thing is a little weird. On the upside, you no longer screw up the sound of the song when collecting OD (or whatever they're calling it in this game).

Beatlemania :D

[liaminh]

With the Beatles Beats drum trainer, you can learn to play the fills EXACTLY as Ringo played them.

What the HELL more could one possibly want?