I am claiming to have confirmation on the final song

[Wave57]

It's The End. The timing fits.
Also I asked shdw_mss through PSN and asked him what it was. He said the song was "The End".
Mystery 100% solved.

[quinaking]

I'm sorry, but can you at least take a picture of the message?

[justin19954]

Yes, please.

[tingly]

Wonder if it's rooftop or dreamscape or its own thing.

[travmeatwad]

So disappointing. There are too many Abbey Road songs on disc.

[quinaking]

Hey now, you can blame Harmonix for giving us the best album practically on disc.

[Wave57]

Yeah, okay. It will be here soon.

[justin19954]

Alright cool. Also I think we could have done without I Want You.

[harveyglobetrot]

So disappointing. There are too many Abbey Road songs on disc.

I think of it this way: if we didn't know that Abbey Road was coming soon after release, would there be a general brouhaha at the amount of songs from that album on the disc?

I would say there wouldn't be, though I'll grant you that including The End does slightly gimp the Medley.

Also, remember that the RB Forums != all RB players. The vast majority purchase little/no DLC; they have to be catered for.

[travmeatwad]

I'm still buying the rest of the album, but the medley will just seem weird now. Unless they have something planned for making the whole medley playable.

[tingly]

They've said they do. Maybe they'll stitch it together with the rest of the medley songs, like the chapter challenges.

[RADIO CHRIS]

hopefully it's not "The End" and something more creative and worth being a surprise about.

[IErrantVentureI]

How'd he get a copy?

[Setherex]

"The End" is the last of The Beatles Rock Band songs correct?

yes it is

>_>

[justin19954]

Yeah ask him please.

[Wave57]

How'd he get a copy?

Good question. I don't know.

[IErrantVentureI]

Mind asking for us?

Thanks!


EDIT: Anyone else MAJORLY disappointed?

[ArchangelZero]

How did he get a copy anyways?

[Wave57]

I just asked him I don't know if will reply or not or when he will get on.
So now we wait, we are used to that right?

[harveyglobetrot]

On a somewhat related note, has anyone even heard of the game going gold yet?

The trusting half of my personality tells me he is a journalist/reviewer, so he has a copy of the game legitimately. The cynical side tells me he has procured it by less than proper means.

[ArchangelZero]

I just asked him I don't know if will reply or not or when he will get on.
So now we wait, we are used to that right?

YEP. Wait where is he again?

[IErrantVentureI]

I just asked him I don't know if will reply or not or when he will get on.
So now we wait, we are used to that right?

Thanks. I guess so.

That's a bummer. For me at least. I was hoping for a Hey Jude or Free as a Bird.

[Wave57]

On a somewhat related note, has anyone even heard of the game going gold yet?

The trusting half of my personality tells me he is a journalist/reviewer, so he has a copy of the game legitimately. The cynical side tells me he has procured it by less than proper means.

Like drug dealing? Or smuggling?

[Wave57]

YEP. Wait where is he again?

Singapore

[harveyglobetrot]

Like drug dealing? Or smuggling?

I don't know what the street value of a copy of TB:RB would be, although I suspect around here it would sell far more than any drug. :p

Who knows how he came up with it. It could be a friend of a friend situation, "it fell off the back of a truck" or, a far more mundane possibility, he is indeed a games writer/reviewer.

[PumpActionCow]

Singapore

Smuggled.

[Wave57]

Now we play the waiting game.

[Setherex]

Now we play the waiting game.

........

........

........

Darn it! I lost :(

[IErrantVentureI]

Well, what's everyone's final thoughts now that we know the last song?

[Wave57]

Well, what's everyone's final thoughts now that we know the last song?

Glad. Hardest drum song on TB:RB.

[Setherex]

Well, what's everyone's final thoughts now that we know the last song?

These next 3+ weeks are going to be hell >_>

[AKALink]

Really, man not just seams not that great.

[Wave57]

These next 3+ weeks are going to be hell >_>

Agreed. Worse even.

[harveyglobetrot]

Now we play the waiting game.

I'm sick of the waiting game, let's play Hungry Hungry Hippos!

@Errant

It's a great song, but I think some people are disappointed because a) we already know Abbey Road is coming, b) it somewhat takes away from the Medley (although with chapter challenges it seems we will be able to play it the whole way through) and c) after Game Informer didn't reveal the final song, it became so hyped up that nothing short of Hey Jude, Help! Let It Be Free As A Bird would possibly have satisfied people.

Personally, I think it is a fine choice to end the game. "And in the end/The love you take/Is equal to the love you make." is a beautiful way to finish things.

[beatlekorey]

it makes sence

[MisterSchulz]

Glad, I can't imagine a more fitting end to the game than The End. Can't wait to play it

[BLARGCOW]

How lame/cliche :|

also I don't see how this song will be emotional

[ArchangelZero]

Singapore

It's around morning there. He should be able to go on within the next 12 hours.

[MisterSchulz]

It's around morning there. He should be able to go on within the next 12 hours.

Why isn't he staying up to play it all night long!?!

Seriously, who is this guy and how did he get it a MONTH ahead of release? Is it Dhani?

[RADIO CHRIS]

I wished it was "Real Love" but hopefully they put it in DLC or I will be very upset.

[Wave57]

Why isn't he staying up to play it all night long!?!

Seriously, who is this guy and how did he get it a MONTH ahead of release? Is it Dhani?

Ringo!!!!!! No it's probably some journalist.

[ArchangelZero]

Why isn't he staying up to play it all night long!?!

Seriously, who is this guy and how did he get it a MONTH ahead of release? Is it Dhani?

Yeah, Dhani really is in Singapore.

Come to think about it...it's not entirely impossible for it to be Dhani or someone linked to the game. I even think it might be an undercover HMXer...

[zepplinmike]

I find that to be such a horrible choice (for one thing, it ruins the medley) that I'm going to choose not to believe it.

[IErrantVentureI]

What if it was a RickRoll? What if we all just got RickRolled?

[ArchangelZero]

I find that to be such a horrible choice (for one thing, it ruins the medley) that I'm going to choose not to believe it.

How does it ruin the medley? I like how they went out with a bang rather than a sad tune. That was for Let It Be.

[LuigiHann]

How does it ruin the medley?

We'll have to wait until the Abbey Road DLC comes out to be sure how they present it, but it stands to reason that, if the DLC version of the medley is one track, and if The End is on the disc, then the DLC version of the medley track will end with "Carry That Weight," which seems like it'd be a little weird.

[Wave57]

You'll probably have an option of either playing the medley or The End.

[MisterSchulz]

i don't think anyone should be worrying about The End not making it into/connecting with the Medley when Abbey Road comes out. You'll be able to play it back to back, surely. Just because you don't download it as one giant 16-minute track doesn't mean they haven't found a way to allow you to play it back to back.

I trust them, they know the importance of keeping those things together (sgt peppers/with a little). Plus, even if it were split in any way, Carry That Weight to The End wouldn't be as jarring as Golden Slumbers split from Carry That Weight, for example.

[ArchangelZero]

I think it may be possible that the medley itself may be broken up into individual tracks or played as one whole track. I think HMX is intending that for a lot of Beatles albums they release.

[Wave57]

Going to bed. Hope to have more news in the morning.

[Taxman999253]

Seriously people. Harmonix put so much care and detail into this game, I doubt they would make a mistake like not being able to play the medley as one song.

[FloydPink]

If the final song really is The End, I'm kind of disappointed. It's so cliche. I don't really see how that could be tear-jerkingly emotional.

Assuming this guy isn't yanking our chain, here's how I think the game should've ended: You finish the final rooftop song and the Beatles say goodbye and leave the roof and all that and you think the game ends there. Then, the game fades to an empty Abbey Roads studio. The Beatles enter, pick up their instruments, and play Free As a Bird. Throughout the playing of the song, it cuts to archival footage and pictures of the band and all that jazz. Once the song ends, one of the Beatles says something along the lines of, "Alright, we're done" or something, the Beatles hang up their instruments, and leave the studio. The camera slowly zooms then focuses on certain points of the studio, maybe like Paul's bass or something, then the producer's booth or whatever you call it, then to Ringo's drums, you get the picture. All the while, you faintly hear the echo of old studio chatter of the Beatles playing songs, laughing, and having a good time. The game then gives a last zoomed out shot of an empty Abbey Roads studio, stays there for a minute, then fades to black. Credits roll. I think that'd fit the bill of being sad, I dunno. I suppose The End could play over the credits, though, if they really wanted to.

But, my opinion seems to change daily on how the game should end, so I may think this is a terrible idea tomorrow. :D

[ArchangelZero]

Well considering this was worked out between the shareholders and HMX, and if "The End" really is the last song...maybe they didn't want it to be emotional?

[FloydPink]

Well considering this was worked out between the shareholders and HMX, and if "The End" really is the last song...maybe they didn't want it to be emotional?

Some guy from Harmonix was quoted saying something along the lines of the game being the video game version of Brian's Song, and that if you don't cry and the end of the game, you are, and I quote, "a soulless heathen." Sort of setting themselves high to end the game with 'The End'.

[MisterSchulz]

I don't see how that whole scene requires Free As A Bird. I could see that happening with The End as well. I think The End is a much better song too, to play and listen to, I don't see why everyone wants Free as a Bird.

Regardless of what song it is, the ending is supposed to be good. Its supposed to have a cinematic much like the opening cinematic. I still can't wait.

[i_c_weiner]

I wouldn't be upset if The End was, well, the end. I just hope they release Free As A Bird and Real Love as DLC.

Also, with this Chapter Challenge Mode, it seems like The End will be able to be both played as part of Abbey Road Medley and on its own. It would satisfy both the crowd who wants to play the full 16 minutes or just wants to play Ringo's solo or the guitar(s) solo. I just hope this also means being able to play Back in the USSR and Dear Prudence as one Challenge too.

And does this news of Chapter Challenge mean that Sgt. Pepper and With a Little Help From My Friends can be played separately if desired?

[ArchangelZero]

Some guy from Harmonix was quoted saying something along the lines of the game being the video game version of Brian's Song, and that if you don't cry and the end of the game, you are, and I quote, "a soulless heathen." Sort of setting themselves high to end the game with 'The End'.

Well, that was just one guy from HMX. I still believe that there had to be good reason to use a cliche to end with 'The End'.

We'll just have to wait for the game to find out.

[FloydPink]

I don't see how that whole scene requires Free As A Bird. I could see that happening with The End as well. I think The End is a much better song too, to play and listen to, I don't see why everyone wants Free as a Bird.

Regardless of what song it is, the ending is supposed to be good. Its supposed to have a cinematic much like the opening cinematic. I still can't wait.

I suppose my ending could end with The End (end end end), but I dunno, I think Free As a Bird would work better.

Wait, if it's supposed to have a cinematic, maybe we're reading this all wrong. Maybe you play The End as a final playable song, but there's a cinematic with something more emotional playing.

[ArchangelZero]

I don't see how that whole scene requires Free As A Bird. I could see that happening with The End as well. I think The End is a much better song too, to play and listen to, I don't see why everyone wants Free as a Bird.

Regardless of what song it is, the ending is supposed to be good. Its supposed to have a cinematic much like the opening cinematic. I still can't wait.

People want it to be 'Free As A Bird' because of it's emotional factor being the last song besides 'Real Love' to be recorded for them, and the one of John's songs they rerecorded. They want the ending to be sad and emotional which i don't exactly understand why it can't just be a happy ending.

[FloydPink]

People want it to be 'Free As A Bird' because of it's emotional factor being the last song besides 'Real Love' to be recorded for them, and the one of John's songs they rerecorded. They want the ending to be sad and emotional which i don't exactly understand why it can't just be a happy ending.

Well I don't know about other people, but the reason I want a sad ending is because the actual ending of the band was sad, and I want it represented as such. Maybe it's just me, but it would feel sort of cheap if they pretended the band never broke up and nothing sad ever happened. I mean it's not exactly a happy, fun thing that the greatest band there ever was broke up.

I guess it could also be because I'm a sucker for sad endings.

[tingly]

Chapter Challenge is for the whole chapter, so it's pepper-friends/lucy/... that all hook together. Or you can play them separately as pepper-friends and lucy and...

I thought I read a couple months ago where there's a closing cinematic that begins where the opening leaves off, but I can't find anything, except for me mentioning it.

[ThreeEx]

Harmonix put so much care and detail into this game, I doubt they would make a mistake like not being able to play the medley as one song.
Yeah. Give us Golden Slumbers before, for the emotional value.

[foolosophy]

Still would rather have In My Life. But I'm not against having The End as - well the end. As long as they give us the option to play it connected to the rest of the medley, which I get a strong feeling they will.

[Andyx1337]

I can just imagine that song playing with emotional pictures of The Beatles having fun as a band, recording and loving what they do, and then near the end on the /equal to the love you make/ part, with a close of them smiling, fading to black.

Or something among the lines, I actually wanted "The End" as the final song.

[theINC]

I have a feeling that The End will play over a courtroom going over tedious paperwork as part of McCartney suing the **** out of the other members.

[ArchangelZero]

I have a feeling that The End will play over a courtroom going over tedious paperwork as part of McCartney suing the **** out of the other members.

You do know he only did that because Allen Klein refused to break up the Beatles as a legal entity.

[frankieman]

To be honest, I am a bit dissapointed now. Not because I think The End should make place for a song like Help! or Hey Jude that's not been anounced for DLC yet, but because we've got like 6 songs from Abbey Road. I mean if they really wanted to end with The End, they could have left off I Want You to pick one of those songs like Help! or Monkey even. I know Abbey Road is one of their most popular and best albums but, 6 songs is a bit too much.

Besides I don't think The End really is such a great ending song, on its own that is. The reason it's so epic is because it's the end of their last recorded album, their last masterpiece, it's the end of the briliant medley. But without the rest of the medley it still is a great bit that really shows their skills, but just not the epic ending it is on the album.

[vcalzone]

Dude, you should ask if the game was awesome.

[Beatles123]

somehow i believe this whole deal to be fake. c'mon.....singapore?? Pfft.

[Rod_Stixx]

I, for one, am not disappointed in the slightest. It is exactly what I predicted and expected. You guys should listen to old people like me. It never was going to be Free As A Bird, or Real Love. The End will be a perfectly epic ending. It has been good enough for McCartney to use as a concert closer for his shows for all but one tour in the last 20 years. Ends the concert epically every time.

As for the medley, it was confirmed a couple of times that the entire medley would be playable as a single track, so when you add the Abbey Road DLC, they must have some way of stitching it all together. I trust in HMX.

I'm actually seeing a Beatles game coming out in three weeks. Looks amazing, there will be DLC, harmonies, a whole new way to experience the music of The Beatles. Disappointment is the furthest thing from my mind.

[zepplinmike]

My question is why would they keep this song a secret. Keeping a song as a surprise just lets everyone's imagination run wild and then having it turn out to be "the End" (a song that I like but have only ever listened to along with the rest of the medley) can only be underwhelming in that context.

[Llamaaction]

I love The End, and imagine it being fun to play on Guitar and Drums.

[.Remix]

I dunno why everyone has just agreed that this guy is real and is talking truth about the game. It seems really suspicious and wont believe it until HMX tell us or I see it in the game.

I think it wont be 'the end' for the fact we already have 5 songs from Abbey Road, the album contains 17 songs with 6 of them already gone it seems pointless. Plus The End is part of a medley so for it to just start on the end wont feel the same, and my last point The End Is a two minute song, not very long to show clips of the beatles, and plus its meant to be really emotional the ending, for the such a up tempo beat to show clips of the beatles wouldn't make it emotional at all.

Cmon people, think.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Can someone explain how a game made in Cambridge, MA got smuggled into freaking Singapore? Unless there's a torrent out there, which I doubt.

[DookieMan]

I really hope it's not, because that makes it look like the rest of the medley will all be separate songs, which I do not want.

[SgtRubberRevolver]

They could just release the medly with The End in it. In case you just want to go straight to The End, and not have to play all the songs before it. Or they could link the rest of the medly to The End. They can do it. It's gonna be awsome!

[IErrantVentureI]

Is the title of this thread different now?

[SgtRubberRevolver]

Or it could be Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/The End. That would make a lot more sense

[cutmaclass]

Or it could be Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/The End. That would make a lot more sense
That would be fantastic but through the trophies we've found that there are 2 min. and 55 sec. between the "last" song and the "encore." The End fits into that rather well, when you factor in loading and what-not. I wonder if this confirms Her Majesty at the end of the credits :P

The medley will still be intact for DLC, though.

I feel disappointed but logically I don't think I am. I feel like Paul was really under-represented in the game, so it's fair that he should get at least PART of the Golden Slumbers medley in the game. I mean, looking at the five "confirmed" Abbey Road songs, there are two Lennon songs, two Harrison songs, and a Ringo song, absolutely no Paul.

[Jorm]

The End as the the end makes perfect sense.

For myself, I think that when the Abbey Road DLC is released, the medley will include The End, as well.

So we'll have The End as a stand alone track. And then the full 16 minute medley as a downloadable track, to include The End.

It's not as if having dupe tracks is exactly unprecedented in an RB game, is it? *looks over at the Tom Sawyer's on his QuickPlay list*

[travmeatwad]

Is the title of this thread different now?

Yeah, it didn't have "am claiming to" in it before.

[IErrantVentureI]

The title of this thread last night was, " I have confirmation on the final song."

But today it's, "I am claiming to have confirmation on the final song."

Is this a joke?

[travmeatwad]

The title of this thread last night was, " I have confirmation on the final song."

But today it's, "I am claiming to have confirmation on the final song."

Is this a joke?

A mod probably changed it since it's not confirmed.

[Inca586]

Excuse me, but can somebody please explain to me who shdw_mss is anyway?

[Setherex]

Excuse me, but can somebody please explain to me who shdw_mss is anyway?

The player from Singapore who has the PS3 version of the game.

[SgtRubberRevolver]

The End would be awsome to end with. You get to play Ringo's drum solo. Now how awsome is that? Pretty damn awsome


The End as the the end makes perfect sense.

For myself, I think that when the Abbey Road DLC is released, the medley will include The End, as well.

So we'll have The End as a stand alone track. And then the full 16 minute medley as a downloadable track, to include The End.

It's not as if having dupe tracks is exactly unprecedented in an RB game, is it? *looks over at the Tom Sawyer's on his QuickPlay list*
That's exactly what I think. It would make a lot more sense

[SgtRubberRevolver]

Or they would split it up. Just have the You Never Give Me Your Money to She Came In Through The Bathroom Window medley and the Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/The End medley seprate from each other

[.Remix]

Meh I aswell say what the ending should REALLY be

After listening to 'A day in the life' i realized this would the best ending giving ever, the song starts slowly showing the fun they had in the past, then the crazy musical up roar kicks in showing really fast images of the band growing up in different places, then the 'got out of bed....' and it goes back to the studio with you playing, then then the next musical uproar kicks in this time showing the studio shown getting blurry, then pictures and videos kick back in, then with the final musical uproar it shows the bad times this time going really bad like them breaking up, john lennons death, georges death, but they show this in newspaper articles, then the final boom hits and you just have a final picture of probably the most famous picture of them. Looking onwards with the wind blowing at them, this then fades to black your back in the studio and then George and John fade away, Paul looks at Ringo, smiles then leaves the studio showing the original picture that was shown on the bealtes website. You know the picture, just showing the instruments with instruments quietly playing.

If this happened, i would cry.

[Wave57]

He still hasn't replied to my other message yet.

For those of you who think the pictures are fake. It's okay you are entitled to what you can think. But c'mon everything points to "The End"

[Setherex]

He still hasn't replied to my other message yet.

For those of you who think the pictures are fake. It's okay you are entitled to what you can think. But c'mon everything points to "The End"

Indeed it does, and I hope the other message comes in soon. If he seems to reply often, maybe we can ask other questions too ^_^

Do you have any idea of why the title was changed?

[Wave57]

Indeed it does, and I hope the other message comes in soon. If he seems to reply often, maybe we can ask other questions too ^_^

Do you have any idea of why the title was changed?

Don't know.

[JoeLUFC4eva]

i think this singapore guy is lying as i messaged him on teh ps3 about the trophies and he messaged me back kind of pissed of that i knew he had the game so i think he answered yes just so you would leave him alone

and when i asked about the tropjies he said ''i'm not allowed to release that information" so why would he tell you what the song was unless he is lying.

[juan29zapata]

Hmm. DOes he have the trophy for completing the game? If he does then he does know and we're not been lied. Not saying you're lying but I don't know what to think of him. Maybe he just wanted us to get away from finding out the last song?

[.Remix]

Just check his last trophies hes collected, If none are from the bealtes game, he does not have it.

He would have AT LEAST one.

[Wave57]

i think this singapore guy is lying as i messaged him on teh ps3 about the trophies and he messaged me back kind of pissed of that i knew he had the game so i think he answered yes just so you would leave him alone

If there is like 30 people asking, he's gonna get pissed.
But, yeah still everything points to "The End".
EDIT: He does have trophies.

[JoeLUFC4eva]

he has the trophies hes got the game he might just be lying about the song

[juan29zapata]

he has the trophies hes got the game he might just be lying about the song
Exactly. But he might be doing it for a good reason, maybe he doesn't want us to knwo about the song until we get the game.

[.Remix]

Well, I was wrong :P

My point Is, he couldnt of gotten this game unless he was in with the media or with the game makers, he wouldnt just go around telling everyone what HMX dont want us to know yet.

[tingly]

He's been saying for 3 years that he is from Singapore. He says he's addicted to getting Playstation game trophies. A profile pic has him with a guitar controller strapped on. He would have found the game irresistable if he found it somewhere. If the discs are burned (burnt?) in China, that explains the rest. I'm not aware of Harmonix sending out the entire game to the press. Articles so far have the company in firm control of possession.

[JoeLUFC4eva]

do you think he has any idea that all these people are trying to find out who he is

probably a bit scary

[tingly]

They cane people there after all.

[pelemerengue]

Guys, the game will be out less than a month from now. Everyone will know what the song is then.

Just relax for a while and leave this poor guy alone.

[Chael]

The End would not make a good ending song. The vocals are almost nonexistant except for a couple of lines. The last song should be a good one for all instuments. I think this is a case of people believing what they want to believe.

[Whiplash]

The End would be a pretty terrible ending song for the game, unless also paired with Golden Slumbers and Carry That Weight. The end of the game is supposed to have a big emotional impact, The End by itself doesn't do that. By itself, it sounds incredibly disjointed as it's the end of a medley.

As we know the full medley is supposed to be available as DLC, it doesn't make sense to release a piece of it like this. The Tom Sawyer comparison isn't valid since that was a cover vs a master and the songs had their differences. Selling us the exact same song twice is a bit more of a leap than selling us a master after a cover.

The dude was probably lying because he obtained the copy of the game under some condition he doesn't spoil it. He probably works for MTV or Harmonix or something.

[JoeLUFC4eva]

i bet it's FAAB or in my life

[RADIO CHRIS]

Real Love is the perfect ending song without a doubt.

[Wave57]

He could be lying or not. But still The End is highly probable. As everything points to it.

[Jorm]

The End would be a pretty terrible ending song for the game, unless also paired with Golden Slumbers and Carry That Weight. The end of the game is supposed to have a big emotional impact, The End by itself doesn't do that. By itself, it sounds incredibly disjointed as it's the end of a medley.

As we know the full medley is supposed to be available as DLC, it doesn't make sense to release a piece of it like this. The Tom Sawyer comparison isn't valid since that was a cover vs a master and the songs had their differences. Selling us the exact same song twice is a bit more of a leap than selling us a master after a cover.

The dude was probably lying because he obtained the copy of the game under some condition he doesn't spoil it. He probably works for MTV or Harmonix or something.

OK, then try two versions of Working Man, same thing. :)

I don't think that the 'big emotional impact' comes from playing the last song. A dreamscape playing while we eyeball the chart isn't going to hold our attention enough to warrant declaring it the Brian's Song of games.

Rather, I'm imagining there will be an ending cinematic playing with the credits rolling. *That* will be the emotional hit.

[Chael]

He could be lying or not. But still The End is highly probable. As everything points to it.

Nothing points to it except for the length. There are a few songs which from which it could be. Plus I don't think HMX would edit your thread title if you were right. How can the last song have hardly any vocals?? That is what we should be focused on!

[IColinoI]

OK, then try two versions of Working Man, same thing. :)

I don't think that the 'big emotional impact' comes from playing the last song. A dreamscape playing while we eyeball the chart isn't going to hold our attention enough to warrant declaring it the Brian's Song of games.

Rather, I'm imagining there will be an ending cinematic playing with the credits rolling. *That* will be the emotional hit.

Exactly.

The last song has to be fun to play. You'll be concentrating on the notes and any important/emotional message would be lost.

Then, credits role and you can do nothing but watch. That's when I would imagine the true ending to be delivered.

[tingly]

The name of the trophy points in that direction, not that that's conclusive.

He'd have no reason to lie other than to mess with people for fun. Telling us the wrong song doesn't erase the trophies. If he were an employee, silence would have been the proper reply. Harmonix doesn't have an office in Singapore since there are no Walgreens in nondescript brick buildings there. ;) I don't know why MTV would send copies around the world yet. I doubt NYC MTV even has copies yet.

Harmonix says no Anthology songs are in the game since they listed the albums that are, no Anthology 1/2/3. Can't have a better source than that.

[Chael]

Exactly.

The last song has to be fun to play. You'll be concentrating on the notes and any important/emotional message would be lost.

Then, credits role and you can do nothing but watch. That's when I would imagine the true ending to be delivered.

The End will not be fun on Vocals. There are many songs it could be. Happiness is a warm gun is under 3 minutes. Me and My Monkey is 2:25. What evidence do we have that it's The End?

[Setherex]

The End will not be fun on Vocals. There are many songs it could be. Happiness is a warm gun is under 3 minutes. Me and My Monkey is 2:25. What evidence do we have that it's The End?

The pictures in the topic owner's gallery.
The time between earned achievements for the encore.
The name of the achievement for finishing the encore.
The trend of having the albums with the most on-disc songs being DLC first.

[ArchangelZero]

The name of the trophy points in that direction, not that that's conclusive.

He'd have no reason to lie other than to mess with people for fun. Telling us the wrong song doesn't erase the trophies. If he were an employee, silence would have been the proper reply. Harmonix doesn't have an office in Singapore since there are no Walgreens in nondescript brick buildings. ;) I don't know why MTV would send copies around the world yet. I doubt NYC MTV even has copies yet.

Harmonix says no Anthology songs are in the game since they listed the albums that are, no Anthology 1/2/3. Can't have a better source than that.

Somehow I think with the way HMX has been releasing the setlist, it really could be an employee. Remember, PSN needs only the address put in to put you in a certain country. HMX has been leaking the setlist through articles, commercials...all hidden within until the cover article, keeping one song hidden. I wouldn't find it hard to believe that HMX intended this, as a sort of...scavanger hunt...but I do like the way they let the list leak if this is true...it's fun...

[TheBlueMeanie]

I don't understand why there are many Abbey Road Songs when the album is full DLC, i mean come on, with the Sgt. Pepper too, they put Good Morning, Good Morning, when we can have Help!, Rain or Strawberry Fields or i don't know, well that was the only thing that dissapointed me ;(

[Chael]

The pictures in the topic owner's gallery.
The time between earned achievements for the encore.
The name of the achievement for finishing the encore.
The trend of having the albums with the most on-disc songs being DLC first.

The name of the achievement proves nothing as many songs that are not in the game have phrases in the achievements. Like I said many songs fit the time. I wouldn't use a "trend" as proof. I can't dispute the first point.

[IColinoI]

The End will not be fun on Vocals.

Because we all know this is "Singstar: The Beatles"

[Meckler]

i guess im a bit surprised and let down it is "the end" even though that song is gonna be sick to shred the guitar. im happy it is there but i thought with all that hype it was gonna be something else. its all good though. bring it.

[Chael]

Because we all know this is "Singstar: The Beatles"

Maybe for you buddy. The point is that the last song should be fun for ALL instruments. Me and My Monkey or Happiness.... would be infinitely better.

[tingly]

His trophy info was out there before the 44-song magazine article hit mailboxes. Without getting into his privacy too much, either he's from Singapore or he's been acting like it on and off the PS3 network for 3 years.

The list was supposed to show things pointing to The End, not proving it. The Singapore guy saying it's The End was another.

[Meckler]

I don't understand why there are many Abbey Road Songs when the album is full DLC, i mean come on, with the Sgt. Pepper too, they put Good Morning, Good Morning, when we can have Help!, Rain or Strawberry Fields or i don't know, well that was the only thing that dissapointed me ;(

i agree with you on this. i mean since we know we are getting those albums DLC it is kind of weird to see a lot of songs from those albums when they are gonna be out for sure at one point. rubber soul only has 3 songs so thats good for the rest of its DLC. im still excited as hell an cannot wait to play it. i still love and happy with the song list.

[IColinoI]

Maybe for you buddy. The point is that the last song should be fun for ALL instruments. Me and My Monkey or Happiness.... would be infinitely better.

I was being ironic. You said it wasn't fun on vocals and I indicated this is NOT a karaoke game.

I don't understand what in your mind makes you think that "it's not fun on vocals, it can't be the last song".

While the songs you mention are fun, they are completely out of context and it would make no sense for them to be the last song.

I mean, come on guys, it's called The End, I don't know what more you need to know. So it's not your favorite Beatles song, cry me a river. It's not my best choice either, but damn I honestly don't give a rat's ass because I know everything else in the game will blow my mind.

[Whiplash]

He could be lying or not. But still The End is highly probable. As everything points to it.

What other evidence is there outside the quote?


OK, then try two versions of Working Man, same thing. :)

Once again, one is a cover, the other is a master. Same for Limelight, Run to the Hills, and Number of the Beast (before you bring those up).

[tingly]

I'd take it further and say all on-disc songs should be fun for guitar, drums, bass, vocals. The End has lots of "love you"s in it for what that's worth. The 3-guitar part isn't much longer than the instrumental break in lots of songs.

[Chael]

I was being ironic. You said it wasn't fun on vocals and I indicated this is NOT a karaoke game.

I don't understand what in your mind makes you think that "it's not fun on vocals, it can't be the last song".

While the songs you mention are fun, they are completely out of context and it would make no sense for them to be the last song.

I mean, come on guys, it's called The End, I don't know what more you need to know. So it's not your favorite Beatles song, cry me a river. It's not my best choice either, but damn I honestly don't give a rat's ass because I know everything else in the game will blow my mind.


You were being ironic? I was being sarcastic. You are a clever one for sure. Maybe that is more your pace. Anyways The End is one of
my favorite songs. I would be happy with it. The point everybody seems to be missing is that it hasn't been confirmed. You are all jumping the gun here. Some guy in Singapore says it's the last song and we believe him? Come on.

[tingly]

Since he has the game and he wouldn't be further defended from theoretical trouble by lying about the song, I'm more inclined to believe than not.

[MostSpartan14]

All this complaining is getting annoying. We have a BEATLES games and the first thing a lot of you people are doing is complaining. That should be the last thing you guys should be doing. The End was the perfect song to finish the Beatles last album and it's the perfect way to finish the game. I'm sure it will have an awesome dreamscape (if it is one) and I'm sure the cinematic after it will be amazing. Harmonix is smart enough to know that we'll want to play it as part of the medley and I'm sure we'll be able to do that. All the good songs that you may have wanted in place of it will probably come out as DLC so stop worrying about it. The game will have an epic ending and it will be an amazing game so stop complaining. When you're actually sitting there playing the game, I'm sure you won't be disappointed.

[Jorm]

Once again, one is a cover, the other is a master. Same for Limelight, Run to the Hills, and Number of the Beast (before you bring those up).

My bad, forgot that the first Working Man was a cover.

Still, the precedent is set for a song being presented twice in a game. I don't feel it's too big a leap to have song that's part of a medley repeated as a single track.

No sense getting too worked up over it, we'll know soon enough. It's fun to banter about possibilities.

[Chael]

All this complaining is getting annoying. We have a BEATLES games and the first thing a lot of you people are doing is complaining. That should be the last thing you guys should be doing. The End was the perfect song to finish the Beatles last album and it's the perfect way to finish the game. I'm sure it will have an awesome dreamscape (if it is one) and I'm sure the cinematic after it will be amazing. Harmonix is smart enough to know that we'll want to play it as part of the medley and I'm sure we'll be able to do that. All the good songs that you may have wanted in place of it will probably come out as DLC so stop worrying about it. The game will have an epic ending and it will be an amazing game so stop complaining. When you're actually sitting there playing the game, I'm sure you won't be disappointed.

The End will be amazing if it is the last song. Need further proof however.

[IColinoI]

You were being ironic? I was being sarcastic. You are a clever one for sure. Maybe that is more your pace. Anyways The End is one of
my favorite songs. I would be happy with it. The point everybody seems to be missing is that it hasn't been confirmed. You are all jumping the gun here. Some guy in Singapore says it's the last song and we believe him? Come on.

I never claimed it's 100% confirmed because that's just silly.

I'm also saying that completely denying it for reasons such as "it's not that fun of a song" or "OMG *Insert your favorite song* WOULD BE SOOOOO MUCH BETTER" is really, really stupid. (not pointing at you, but those 2 seem to be the trend around here lately.)

P.S.: English isn't my first language, sorry for the slip-ups.

[Wave57]

Nothing points to it except for the length. There are a few songs which from which it could be. Plus I don't think HMX would edit your thread title if you were right. How can the last song have hardly any vocals?? That is what we should be focused on!

You can stay stubborn all you want. The final song is "The End", and nothing can change it.

[tingly]

No matter what song it was, it would have had some negative reactions. As a movie reviewer once said, it's hard to write prolifically on something you love, but easy to go on for days about something you don't. People who love The End just write a sentence or 2 and the ones who don't write paragraphs. It's expected. It'll die down soon enough.

[Chael]

You can stay stubborn all you want. The final song is "The End", and nothing can change it.

Your quote is pretty stubborn. I like The End. I have no problems with it being the final song. Your proof is weak though. You call that a confirmation? Come on kid you can do better than that.

[cutmaclass]

You guys realize that this guy probably isn't actually in Singapore?

1) He could make it only LOOK like he's in Singapore.

and 2) If he's testing an unreleased, high-profile game with many details still under wraps, he's probably required to make it look like he's somewhere out of the country.

It's obvious that Shadow Mass has the game; he has the trophies. I would have preferred that the OP ask him "What is the final song?" than "________ is the final song, correct?", but I still believe him. I'm going to say the last song is "The End" until we have evidence from somewhere else that says otherwise.

Remember that Shadow Mass never HAD to answer the OP's message. He could have just said nothing. The fact that he answered at all and the fact that he answered affirmatively would make its seem like he's not just doing it to mislead - for all he knows - just one guy.

[MostSpartan14]

The End will be amazing if it is the last song. Need further proof however.

I can understand not believing if it's the final song or not (though I'm 99% sure it will be). My post was directed at all the people complaining about The End being the last song.

[Wave57]

Your quote is pretty stubborn. I like The End. I have no problems with it being the final song. Your proof is weak though. You call that a confirmation? Come on kid you can do better than that.

Yeah, sorry that was pretty stubborn of me. But are there any other songs that have a higher chance of being the end?

[IColinoI]

You guys realize that this guy probably isn't actually in Singapore?

1) He could make it only LOOK like he's in Singapore.

and 2) If he's testing an unreleased, high-profile game with many details still under wraps, he's probably required to make it look like he's somewhere out of the country.

I still believe him. I'm going to say the last song is "The End" until we have evidence from somewhere else that says otherwise.

His PSN account is almost 3 years old. I'm sure he set himself as a citizen of Singapore 3 years before the release of TB:RB so he could play it 3 weeks before everyone else...

[tingly]

You guys realize that this guy probably isn't actually in Singapore?He's been saying steady for 3 years that he's from Singapore with Singapore-y looking photographs to boot. He started after PS3 was introduced, though.

[vcalzone]

Well, the other proof is that that gamer achieved the complete set trophy, then got the final song trophy three minutes later. That didn't come from some dude, that came from the XBOX network.

[Whiplash]

Still, the precedent is set for a song being presented twice in a game. I don't feel it's too big a leap to have song that's part of a medley repeated as a single track.

No sense getting too worked up over it, we'll know soon enough. It's fun to banter about possibilities.

It is fun to discuss, but that still doesn't change the fact that there is no kind of precedent for a master track on disc in a Rock Band game being then sold as DLC as well that I can think of. We've had songs from the RB2 disc that have come out as DLC in album packs that can be purchased in RB1, but that's not the same thing. We have never been sold the same master twice for one game.

I think The End is a song that makes sense for the obvious literal reasons and because it's a great instrumental track, but on a game that is built on vocals and the new harmony system, and with the general length of the song, it seems like a bit of an anti-climax when you have a song like Hey Jude out there.

Songs that have ended Harmonix guitar games; Bark at the Moon, Freebird, Play With Me, Green Grass and High Tides, Painkiller... The End? Really? Unless it's some really juiced up version, it is definitely a rare misstep in an otherwise flawless game.

[vcalzone]

You guys realize that this guy probably isn't actually in Singapore?

1) He could make it only LOOK like he's in Singapore.

and 2) If he's testing an unreleased, high-profile game with many details still under wraps, he's probably required to make it look like he's somewhere out of the country.
That doesn't strike me as true at all. Why would anyone be required to do that? What does that accomplish?

[tingly]

Maybe his family is from Singapore or he has some sort of "special" access to games since 2007 along and put Singapore to throw offf the feds. Maybe he's a time traveller from the future. Or maybe, this is a wild theory, stay with me now, he's a kid from Singapore.

[Whiplash]

Well, the other proof is that that gamer achieved the complete set trophy, then got the final song trophy three minutes later. That didn't come from some dude, that came from the XBOX network.

And the first time I heard this rumor, it took him FOUR minutes to get the last achievement, and it was on PS3, not Xbox.

This is turning way too quickly into a "I heard this from a guy who knows this dude" rumor.

Reasons the dude has himself marked as being from Singapore; he is actually a higher up in MTV/Harmonix/EA and gets games early because of it, but doesn't want his identity discovered as he doesn't want to be bothered by gamers. The best way to do that is to say he's from Singapore, no one is surprised when games turn up early there.

It seems awfully far fetched to me that only one guy in the entire world would have obtained and played this game online, and it would be a guy from Singapore. It seems a LOT more likely that a really high up employee in one of the companies that makes the game would have it, and lied about his location so people wouldn't hassle him about it as much.

[IColinoI]

Songs that have ended Harmonix guitar games; Bark at the Moon, Freebird, Play With Me, Green Grass and High Tides, Painkiller... The End? Really? Unless it's some really juiced up version, it is definitely a rare misstep in an otherwise flawless game.

Considering it's the BEATLES Rockband it has to END with a BEATLES song which in this case happens to be titled THE END.

And IMO, The End is a much better song than all the other ones you posted. Painkiller is ****e.

[Chael]

Well, the other proof is that that gamer achieved the complete set trophy, then got the final song trophy three minutes later. That didn't come from some dude, that came from the XBOX network.

I'm guessing Ps3

[IColinoI]

And the first time I heard this rumor, it took him FOUR minutes to get the last achievement, and it was on PS3, not Xbox.

This is turning way too quickly into a "I heard this from a guy who knows this dude" rumor.

Reasons the dude has himself marked as being from Singapore; he is actually a higher up in MTV/Harmonix/EA and gets games early because of it, but doesn't want his identity discovered as he doesn't want to be bothered by gamers. The best way to do that is to say he's from Singapore, no one is surprised when games turn up early there.

It seems awfully far fetched to me that only one guy in the entire world would have obtained and played this game online, and it would be a guy from Singapore. It seems a LOT more likely that a really high up employee in one of the companies that makes the game would have it, and lied about his location so people wouldn't hassle him about it as much.

As I sarcastically pointed out earlier, his account has been "Singaporian" for almost 3 years. Your speculation means nothing.

[Jorm]

I think The End is a song that makes sense for the obvious literal reasons and because it's a great instrumental track, but on a game that is built on vocals and the new harmony system, and with the general length of the song, it seems like a bit of an anti-climax when you have a song like Hey Jude out there.

Songs that have ended Harmonix guitar games; Bark at the Moon, Freebird, Play With Me, Green Grass and High Tides, Painkiller... The End? Really? Unless it's some really juiced up version, it is definitely a rare misstep in an otherwise flawless game.

GGaHT as the final song was not there for the vocalists. Indeed, if you played it on vocals the song was truncated, I believe.

The End was the last song on the last album recorded by The Beatles, it fits in that sense.

I can see where you are coming from with your disappointment at its choice as the last song (*if* this is true, I believe it is at this point, but that doesn't make it a certainty), though I disagree with it. As the last song, it makes a lot of sense.

[cutmaclass]

That doesn't strike me as true at all. Why would anyone be required to do that? What does that accomplish?
Well it would generally keep you out of the United States Playstation.com database. Maybe that's not the case; maybe I'm being naive.

But I'd think it's also a bit naive to think a native Singaporian got their hands on The Beatles: Rock Band :rolleyes:

[tingly]

The timing rumor didn't really change. At first, only the hour and minutes of the trophies were posted which had a theoretical upper limit of 3:59. Then the seconds were reported which dialed it down to 2:55. The guy is 24 years old. He's no exec. If he were an employee, he'd be in serious trouble.

[vcalzone]

I wish it was Hey Jude too, but I highly disagree with the notion that it sucks for vocalists. If you're lead, you get an awesome Paul screamer, and if you're harmonizing, you get a beautiful moment at the end.

And I've said it before, I really would like this song separated from the rest. It has one of the best RB guitar parts in the Beatles entire catalog because you play three different styles of solo at once. That's awesome.

[DMSweenz30]

Just because the trophy name has lyrics from "The End" doesn't neccessarily mean "The End" is the final song. I think it's just a reference to the song since the final song will be THE END of the game. There's a trophy called "Like A Million Suns" and it had nothing to do with "Across The Universe". Also, there is a couple trophies that reference "A Day in The Life" but have nothing to do with that song either.

[IColinoI]

But I'd think it's also a bit naive to think a native Singaporian got their hands on The Beatles: Rock Band :rolleyes:

Uhh... You do know where 99% of industrial produce (especially electronics) come from right?

Also, like I've said 15 times now, if you care to read, he's had his account for almost 3 years. I doubt he'd have that kind of insight.

[Chael]

This is weird though. Sgt. Peppers/WALHFMF is two songs but MUST be played together. The End we can play solo and once we buy the DLC it seamlessly integrates into the full medley?

[tingly]

It can be seamless if Carry That Weight ends in the studio and The End begins there. and then silence before Her Majesty, I guess. :)

[cutmaclass]

Uhh... You do know where 99% of industrial produce (especially electronics) come from right?

Also, like I've said 15 times now, if you care to read, he's had his account for almost 3 years. I doubt he'd have that kind of insight.
So there's a guy in Singapore who's lying about the last song of an unreleased game - one that he has absolutely no financial or personal stake in - for kicks and giggles?

Makes sense I suppose :p

[tingly]

There's a 2nd Singapore Beatles RB player behind the grassy knoll. True story!

[DookieMan]

I know this is an overly simple question, but has anyone said the encore has to be the unconfirmed song?

[Whiplash]

Considering it's the BEATLES Rockband it has to END with a BEATLES song which in this case happens to be titled THE END.

And IMO, The End is a much better song than all the other ones you posted. Painkiller is ****e.

You missed my point ENTIRELY. I didn't say they are not ending it with a Beatles song, I said that The End doesn't reach the same level of epicness that those other songs did. Hey Jude fits in that list MUCH better than The End does.


As I sarcastically pointed out earlier, his account has been "Singaporian" for almost 3 years. Your speculation means nothing.

If it's a high up person in a company, they have been there for longer than the development of this game. They could have been working in this company for 3 years, that's not a crazy thought. You really think it's a lot more plausible that someone leaked a single copy of the game to a single random kid in Singapore?


GGaHT as the final song was not there for the vocalists. Indeed, if you played it on vocals the song was truncated, I believe.

I didn't mean that ALL songs were rounded perfectly for all instruments, just that in this game specifically where one of the majorly pimped features is how much fun it is to sing on vocals, The End would be a slight let down in that respect. "Na na na na na na na" is a major rock and roll chant that audiences around the world love to partake in, "love you, love you, love you" less so.


The End was the last song on the last album recorded by The Beatles, it fits in that sense.

Yeah that's basically the strongest thing it has going for it, I think. It makes sense as a last song in a literal sense, but not really in that epic sense that we've come to expect.


I can see where you are coming from with your disappointment at its choice as the last song (*if* this is true, I believe it is at this point, but that doesn't make it a certainty), though I disagree with it. As the last song, it makes a lot of sense.

I really like the song itself, I just think as a last song it's a poor choice, especially if it's just going to be resold to us again a week later as part of a larger medley. I'm so used to hearing it as part of the medley, hearing it by itself will sound odd. Maybe there will be a way to join the medley with it, who knows?

I heard from another source that Hey Jude is specifically mentioned by the host of that stupid in-store GameStop TV advertising thing as being in the game. I guess that could be as DLC, but to me, right now, I'll take GameStop over an alleged pirate from Singapore. I can see why everyone else believes it, but I just need a bit more information first.

I guess the best question to ask would be if this person who has the game now has a history of getting games released by EA first? My main sticking point with the story is that there is only one person in Singapore who has obtained this. If it had been leaked, there'd be a lot more people than that with a copy. It'd probably be up in torrents.

[DookieMan]

I'll have to say, with that, Hey Jude is most likely to be the encore. The End would really disappoint me also.

[Chael]

I know this is an overly simple question, but has anyone said the encore has to be the unconfirmed song?

No, it doesn't. It could be I Me Mine. That fits the time and the era

[tingly]

The End was the last with all 4 Beatles in the studio.

Maybe a single copy left a Chinese factory, got duplicated a few thousand times, and a kid in Singapore got one. That's easy enough to believe. It's weird that no-one else with trophies has shown up yet, though. Maybe they know enough to keep them off-net.

[Jorm]

I'm reconsidering how good of an idea it would be to release The End as part of the medley. That's certainly the path of least resistance programming-wise, but it being the Internet we'd get a bunch of chuckleheads in here complaining 'why charge me for part of a song I already own??!?!?!?!111'.

Probably best to just work some magic to stitch the downloaded part of the medley on to The End that's already on disc (if it's on there).

Where's a link to this Hey Jude rumor?

[Chael]

I Want You was the last with all 4 Beatles in the studio.

Maybe a single copy left a Chinese factory, got duplicated a few thousand times, and a kid in Singapore got one. That's easy enough to believe. It's weird that no-one else with trophies has shown up yet, though. Maybe they know enough to keep them off-net.

Fixed

[Jorm]

I guess the best question to ask would be if this person who has the game now has a history of getting games released by EA first? My main sticking point with the story is that there is only one person in Singapore who has obtained this. If it had been leaked, there'd be a lot more people than that with a copy. It'd probably be up in torrents.

This is a very good point. Maybe we'll see more leaks, soon?

Maybe this guy in Singapore thing's just a big sham, eh?

Whatever, I need something to gnaw at to make these last few weeks pass quickly. :)

[JoeLUFC4eva]

when did rock band 2 come out for ps3?
as he got some rb2 trophies in october 08. if this is early then he works for hmx or something if not hes just a very lucky man from singapore (more likely)

[Whiplash]

Where's a link to this Hey Jude rumor?

A link isn't going to be of much help since it doesn't have a capture of the TV or anything (I dunno that they'd even let you do that in the store). I'm willing to defer to the current rumor because of this, but I'm gonna check it out myself the next time I'm in a GS. I'm sure if it's true, someone else will post about seeing it soon enough.


when did rock band 2 come out for ps3?
as he got some rb2 trophies in october 08. if this is early then he works for hmx or something if not hes just a very lucky man from singapore (more likely)

It came out at the end of October for the PS3 iirc. If the trophies were from earlier in the month, then he got that leaked too.

[Chael]

when did rock band 2 come out for ps3?
as he got some rb2 trophies in october 08. if this is early then he works for hmx or something if not hes just a very lucky man from singapore (more likely)

October 19th but im not sure if that applies to Singapore too. What day did he get his trophies?

[Whiplash]

Did it even come out in Singapore?

[JoeLUFC4eva]

got 1st trophy on 19th

[cutmaclass]

After some e-digging, I know who the actual guy is and he's just a normal guy who happens to love gaming on his PS3 (he mentions Rock Band on his blog). Probably got a pirated or stolen copy or something. Absolutely no reason to lie.

Also, he DOES actually live in Singapore. But I'm not sure if he's a native or what. His English is very good.

[MostSpartan14]

I don't know if I'd believe that Hey Jude rumor. When I went to preorder TB:RB they had a thing about it on the tv in the store. I don't remember hearing anything about Hey Jude but I wasn't really listening because i was excited to be finally paying off the game.

[JoeLUFC4eva]

After some e-digging, I know who the actual guy is and he's just a normal guy who happens to love gaming on his PS3 (he mentions Rock Band on his blog). Probably got a pirated or stolen copy or something. Absolutely no reason to lie.

Also, he DOES actually live in Singapore. But I'm not sure if he's a native or what. His English is very good.

he might be annoyed with people asking him so lied and said yes to it being th end so he eould stop asking him. he wouldnt tell me about trophies

[tingly]

His English threw me off at first too, until I remembered Singapore used to be British.

[Whiplash]

After some e-digging, I know who the actual guy is and he's just a normal guy who happens to love gaming on his PS3 (he mentions Rock Band on his blog). Probably got a pirated or stolen copy or something. Absolutely no reason to lie.

Also, he DOES actually live in Singapore. But I'm not sure if he's a native or what. His English is very good.

Fair enough. Could be a US citizen living there who has a relative or something in the industry who sends him stuff. Hell, could be a gaming reporter, I suppose.

[Reaver]

Here's all I'll say on this topic

I don't believe this dude one bit
If it happens to be true, and "The End" is the last song, I'll be sorely disappointed
I'll only accept confirmation of the last song by HMX or any other highly recognized gaming site/magazine, or by myself when I play the game
IMO, the last song should be "Now and Then"

[Beatles123]

WE know virtually nothing about this guy...i refuse to believe it unless stated by HMX!

THINK, people...harmonix organised the whole shi-bang under PAUL and co's watch! Why in the flying hoo-hah...with ALL The strict attention-to-detail they've made HMX commit to...would they close the game......ON the rooftop....which takes place BEFORE abbey road...With a song that wasnt even WRITTEN then! it's like playing helter skelter on Ed Sullivan - IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

[justin19954]

Lol flying hoo-hahs, but anyway I don't really know anymore.

[IErrantVentureI]

Anyone from HMX care to elaborate on the current state of things?

[justin19954]

It's not confirmed until it comes out of a HMX'ers mouth.

[TheCulprit]

IF The End IS the mystery song and IF it comes last, no one said it would be played on the Rooftop. It could very easily go back for one last poignant dreamscape.

[RADIO CHRIS]

good point but I think it's Real Love still

[BLARGCOW]

Why would the guy lie to him. The final song is The End whether you want it to be or not.

This game is going to be great.

[MostSpartan14]

If it was The End (which it probably is), I'm guessing it would be a dreamscape and not on the rooftop. After all, the achievement is to complete the encore to the STORY, not the rooftop. To me that points to it being a dreamscape.

[tingly]

I'd love pure studio.

[lucaspaul22]

good point but I think it's Real Love still

You "Real Love/Free As A Bird people" are hilarious. Its just not going to be a Beatles song from the 1990s!

[TheCulprit]

I know The End is an unpopular choice with a lot of people (not all of you), but honestly, the more I think about it, the more I think it is perfect.

I mean, when this game was first announced, before we knew anything, I remember telling my girlfriend "I hope The End is in it." Granted, this was before I knew that Abbey Road would be released as DLC -- it was before I knew the game would even SUPPORT DLC period.

The song will be a great ending - it won't be the first place that poses a chronology error, and as an encore to the whole story, like an afterthought, I don't think chronology is as important. The sentiment is fitting for the end (duh) of the game. While it may not have a lot of vocals, the final lyric is one of the most famous in Beatle history.

The guitars are awesome. The drums are awesome. The song is awesome. And I think it COULD be a tearjerking moment if executed properly.

We should focus on the positives. We all knew from the beginning that HMX couldn't please everyone.

Right now, I'm content -- however, if the Abbey Road DLC ends up including an incomplete version of the medley that doesn't somehow tie into The End... well then I'll be upset, but for now, I'm content.

[tingly]

The ending cinematic is the emotional thing that news has talked about, not the encore song. FINALLY found a quote about it.


According to Baptiste, the final movie for the game’s story mode is just as mind-blowing as the opening cinematic that premiered at E3. He went as far as to say, “If you don’t cry when you see it, you don’t have a soul,” (http://www.destructoid.com/hmx-beatles-rock-band-is-the-brian-s-song-of-videogames--140812.phtml)

Tho people were getting choked up just singing the songs.

[TheCulprit]

Perfect. That debunks that. The more I read, the more I think The End is in the game.

[frankieman]

I mean, when this game was first announced, before we knew anything, I remember telling my girlfriend "I hope The End is in it." Granted, this was before I knew that Abbey Road would be released as DLC -- it was before I knew the game would even SUPPORT DLC period.

For me it has nothing to do with the DLC nor with the song itself being included(although I really think it's not as epic without the medley before it) but rather the number of Abbey Road songs. DLC or not, 6 sings is really a lot coming from an album that has 16(excluding Her Majesty) and especially compared to the earlier albums or the double White album. Abbey Road is in the top three for me but I think it's a bit too much.

It doesn't mean I'm really dissapointed, but you know...

[tingly]

McCartney plays The End without the rest of the medley in concert, but still tacks it onto the end of Pepper.

[fuselage321]

You "Real Love/Free As A Bird people" are hilarious. Its just not going to be a Beatles song from the 1990s!

Why couldnt it be? Theres a beatles song from 2006 in the game!?!;):rolleyes::D:p

[Chael]

Why couldnt it be? Theres a beatles song from 2006 in the game!?!;):rolleyes::D:p

WIWY/TNK from the Love album were RECORDED in the 60's. They werent mashed up but they were recorded in the 60's. They didnt record any new music on that track. They said only music recorded between 1962-1969 will be on the game.

[Reaver]

Why would the guy lie to him. The final song is The End whether you want it to be or not.

This game is going to be great.

There are millions of reasons to lie. Just pick one that fits. The simplest answer is usually the right one anyway - because he can.

I don't even know who this tool is. How do we even know he has the game? Because, I can sure as hell go and send someone a message saying I got *insert unreleased game* a month in advance and make up anything I want about it. Why is everyone acting like this guy actually has a say in anything? He's not HMX. He's not part of a gaming magazine or website. Am I addressing a clairvoyant? Or does he just have a poor sense of humor?

I'm surprised everyone here has already accepted this guy's statement as fact. And those pics he took? I can take those too. Wanna see?

[tingly]

I look at if it's more likely that he'd lie or tell the truth in the situation.

He has the actual trophies, descriptions and trophy artwork on his network account, automatically replicated on websites. It's not like he's just claiming he has the game.

Nobody's accepted his answer as hard, cold, proven fact. Only one person on the board knows for sure if he answered at all. :) But, it's as close as it's gonna get to being confirmed until official word.

[cutmaclass]

I can't believe what kind worldview you'd have to have to believe that this random guy in Singapore who has absolutely no connections to MTV, The Beatles, or Harmonix would lie about the last song - knowing nothing about the man who asked - as part of some grand conspiracy.

"The End" is the last song and I'm going to come back here and laugh my ass off at everyone who believes that no one in the world can be trusted - I mean, the last song in TBRB is just too much for the world to handle! He must be lying! :rolleyes:

I don't even know who this tool is. How do we even know he has the game? Because, I can sure as hell go and send someone a message saying I got *insert unreleased game* a month in advance and make up anything I want about it. Why is everyone acting like this guy actually has a say in anything? He's not HMX. He's not part of a gaming magazine or website. Am I addressing a clairvoyant? Or does he just have a poor sense of humor?
Wow, you have not been following this. Are you a Wii gamer? Because if you aren't, you should know about these things that the PS3 and 360 have called "Trophies" or "Achievements." You see, a game disc on those systems comes with very specific coding that allow these "Trophies" to be unlocked as you complete specific challenges. This guy has unlocked many The Beatles: Rock Band trophies, which is nigh impossible to fake if you're using your PS3 online - and he is (modded consoles cannot generally update without being "bricked"). Judging by the trophies, we know he's played the game to completion. And judging by the time between the "Complete the rooftop" trophy and the "Play the encore" trophy, we can tell that whatever song that plays has to fit within a 2 min. and 55 sec. timeframe. THERE. That's how we know all this.

[SexyCake]

Whatever it is I am sure all our other songs will be DLC. If they can make the albums no higher than 12 dollars, I am going to jump on top of them like a peace of cake.

[tingly]

A "twisted, incredibly insecure worldview" isn't necessary. It's just a different opinion.

[ArchangelZero]

The ending cinematic is supposed to be the emotional one...so The End being the end is very plausible in this situation.

[tingly]

Some albums have gotta be more than $12 if they're complete-except-for-on-disc from how many tracks they're missing. The white album could push $20-30.

The last song isn't the ending cinematic, but they could use The End as a lead-in I suppose.

[cutmaclass]

A "twisted, incredibly insecure worldview" isn't necessary. It's just a different opinion.
I don't know. My word choice was harsh, but seriously? How can you think someone's just going to lie about nothing because he can? When he has no incentive? I can't imagine what a person who claims that would have to say about any and all politicians, who are expected NOT to lie when they have EVERY incentive to do so.

It says a lot about yourself when you go around claiming that any random person off the street will lie "because he can."

Anyway, a big fat LOL at the guy who thinks we'll get DLC albums for $12. Maybe Abbey Road, considering half of the substantial stuff (as in the non-medley tracks) is already on disc. In fact, I could see Abbey Road being $12, but the other two confirmed albums... not so much.

[Reaver]

Wow, you have not been following this. Are you a Wii gamer? Because if you aren't, you should know about these things that the PS3 and 360 have called "Trophies" or "Achievements." You see, a game disc on those systems comes with very specific coding that allow these "Trophies" to be unlocked as you complete specific challenges. This guy has unlocked many The Beatles: Rock Band trophies, which is nigh impossible to fake if you're using your PS3 online - and he is (modded consoles cannot generally update without being "bricked"). Judging by the trophies, we know he's played the game to completion. And judging by the time between the "Complete the rooftop" trophy and the "Play the encore" trophy, we can tell that whatever song that plays has to fit within a 2 min. and 55 sec. timeframe. THERE. That's how we know all this.

No need to be neither insecure nor a smart ass. But still I see no actual proof. You're gonna have to do beter than that.

[Reaver]

It says a lot about yourself when you go around claiming that any random person off the street will lie "because he can."

Boy do you need a reality check.

[cutmaclass]

Sorry, man, didn't mean to attack you like that. Was just trying to explain the situation.

Sorry that I've never run into anyone older than 14 who would lie for absolutely no reason, either. And I'm not being a smart-ass, I really mean it.

EDIT: As for actual proof, there is none. There's circumstantial evidence, though. He's clearly played and beaten the game, the trophy title alludes to "The End" (though this is admittedly weak evidence), "The End" fits in the time frame (even leaving ample room for set-up and loading), and - again - he's a 24-year-old Singapore native with no connection to the publishing company who has no reason to lie.

[ArchangelZero]

No need to be neither insecure nor a smart ass. But still I see no actual proof. You're gonna have to do beter than that.

Check out the trophies for TB:RB. It's on the PlayStation Network.

There's only one person in the world that has those trophies, and that is our friend in Singapore.

[lucaspaul22]

I can't believe I haven't posted in this thread yet. Yea, I believe this guy about the last song being The End. That song owns, it shows off George Harrsion's and Ringo's god-like skills on guitar and drums. If you have heard this song then I'm sure you realize how brilliant it is, whether it follows the medley or not it is a GREAT song. And for the people who haven't heard this song it is really going to impress. Have faith in Harmonix. I'm sure the game is great no matter what the last song is.

[lucaspaul22]

Check out the trophies for TB:RB. It's on the PlayStation Network.

There's only one person in the world that has those trophies, and that is our friend in Singapore.

Lol. Dude, I sent that guy a friend request on the PSN just so I could compare trophies with him and read the trophy list for myself. I don't know who this guy is, but he's awesome. He has The Beatles: Rock Band already!

[justin19954]

I can't believe I haven't posted in this thread yet. Yea, I believe this guy about the last song being The End. That song owns, it shows off George Harrsion's and Ringo's god-like skills on guitar and drums. If you have heard this song then I'm sure you realize how brilliant it is, whether it follows the medley or not it is a GREAT song. And for the people who haven't heard this song it is really going to impress. Have faith in Harmonix. I'm sure the game is great no matter what the last song is.

You do know that it's George, Paul and John taking turns doing the solos right?

[lucaspaul22]

You do know that it's George, Paul and John taking turns doing the solos right?

I thought so... well in that case it really shows how brilliant they all are on the guitar and how well they play together.

[Wave57]

This is funny. Really. I'll be laughing when it's revealed.
I trust everyone untill they give me a reason not to.
And I'll stay on these forums untill it is officially revealed.

[lucaspaul22]

This is funny. Really. I'll be laughing when it's revealed.
I trust everyone untill they give me a reason not to.
And I'll stay on these forums untill it is officially revealed.

It's you! Where's proof? lol

[tingly]

I was thinking how it could be a little miscommunication with the Singapore guy and it turned into a joke.

What's the last song in the game?
-the end
I know it's the end cuz it's the *last* song, but, ok, I'll word it this way, what is the encore?
-the end
ARRRGH!!! CAN YOU AT LEAST TELL ME A SONG THAT ISN'T IN THE GAME!??!
-don't bother me
Look, I'm sorry if I took out my frustrations on you. Can you answer the question?
-it's all too much
I really am truly sorry. Now that I've deeply apologized, can you say any hits not in the game?
-yesterday
Huh? I didn't start writing you until today...

[Wave57]

If it's the pics. They are in my profile.

[BLARGCOW]

If the final song is The End (which it is) then it will be played on the rooftop I think because Harmonix said there were 20 dreamscapes and we already have 20 not counting The End. If so then :[

[lucaspaul22]

I was thinking how it could be a little miscommunication with the Singapore guy and it turned into a joke.

What's the last song in the game?
-the end
I know it's the end cuz it's the *last* song, but, ok, I'll word it this way, what is the encore?
-the end
ARRRGH!!! CAN YOU AT LEAST TELL ME A SONG THAT ISN'T IN THE GAME!??!
-don't bother me
Look, I'm sorry if I took out my frustrations on you. Can you answer the question?
-it's all too much
I really am truly sorry. Now that I've deeply apologized, can you say any hits not in the game?
-yesterday
Huh? I didn't start writing you until today...

switch Its All Too Much with No Reply, then you've got it. lol

[lucaspaul22]

If it's the pics. They are in my profile.

i was joking i believe u and "Singapore guy."

[Wave57]

i was joking i believe u and "Singapore guy."

Thanks man =D.

[tingly]

oh man! I coulda worked that in easy.

For people hoping for Free as a Bird, In My Life, ... as the final song, it could be a part or all of the final cinematic. I expect another medley like the opening cinematic since it's done by the same people.

[lucaspaul22]

oh man! I coulda worked that in easy.

For people hoping for Free as a Bird, In My Life, ... as the final song, it could be a part or all of the final cinematic. I expect another medley like the opening cinematic since it's done by the same people.

The closing cinematic is gonna be amazing. I can't wait to see it. I think they should bust out 1 hour's worth of different cutscenes for the end of the game that they run back-to-back, like Kojima did for the end of MGS4. lol

[carlos_el]

I think The End would be fun on all instruments. It has guitar solos, a rare drum solo, and a nice vocal ending. What more could you ask for (besides length)?

[TheCulprit]

I'm pretty sold on it being The End. What I'd like to see though, is for it to be the version of The End on Anthology 3. I like that mix a lot better. The guitars seem to pop a bit more. And the song seems to work on its own. This would leave the original Abbey Road version for inclusion with the medley then everyone (scratch that -- some people) would be happy. I know I would.

[MidniteVulture83]

I'd be disappointed if is "The End." They've failed to include too many good songs already. Even my brother, who isn't a Beatles fan, couldn't understand why "Hey Jude" and "Help!" didn't make it. He was genuinely puzzled. If they choose "The End" as the closer, HMX will have done something wrong yet again.

... It would be the last straw for me. I am ready to say this set-list is a success, but my decision hinges upon the unknown song. "The End," BAD. Any of the choices many of us have thrown around here ("In My Life," "A Day in the Life," "Hey Jude," "Free As a Bird," etc.), GOOD.

[autumnmantis]

It's not so bad. I've been listening to the songs I wasn't expecting, and I don't dislike any of them. Let's stay stay optimistic and supportive of the game, and help it become wildly popular. Then we will be sure to get plenty of extravagant DLC ;)

My favorite DLC fantasy now is a movie-based "Help!" dlc, with the six songs from the film we don't have on-disc.

[tingly]

They seemed to avoid songs that are long save one, that aren't vocals/guitar/bass/drum heavy, and that would gut DLC albums from having a highly sales-attractive song. If you take Help out of the album, Yesterday is the only hit left with no bass guitar/drums in it. George and Ringo have a lead vocal in each chapter, maybe. Some non-hits fit the genre better than some hits. There also may have been some sort of budget restrictions under a $60 price cap. Apple/shareholders could have said 'no' to a more hit-driven list. It occured to me last night that it may have been them who said 'no' to using Anthology songs.

[juan29zapata]

The closing cinematic is gonna be amazing. I can't wait to see it. I think they should bust out 1 hour's worth of different cutscenes for the end of the game that they run back-to-back, like Kojima did for the end of MGS4. lol

Oh man, I wouldn't care for anything in the world in that hour. Too bad it will be most likely like about 5 minutes. I don't think it'll be any longer. That it's just approximation, but it would be great to have it longer.

Also, the way the OP message the guy in Singapore, he asked a "yes or no" question, anyone want to send the message asking what is the final song without mentioning The End?

Also since the OP didn't change the title, that seems to be saying that The End is not the final song.

[tingly]

hedging his bet, more like

I thought about if it were yes/no yesterday. If he asked 'what song,' it would be less likely to be a lie since Singapore would have had 200 songs to choose from instead of 1.

[winkus]

I don't think it's The End beacuase I don't think Game Informer would make such a big thing of it by making it secret. I mean it's not a big hit. They were probably asked by HMX not to disclose it in order to make abigger impact when we do find out. So i think it's more likely to be Hey Jude, considering also that it's the song to end many McCartney's performances and also one of the most popular Beatles Song, pretty much everyone has heard of and likes it.

[CycoMiko138]

It's not The End, it's Yes It Is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LqWqIM0bMQ). Singapore guy's exact words.:D

[tingly]

*bows to the king*

[Chael]

It's not The End, it's Yes It Is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LqWqIM0bMQ). Singapore guy's exact words.:D

That would be hilariious! It really should be You know my name!

[iAmtheWalrus]

Like people have said before, most of you need to stop complaining! Now I don't think The End is the best choice, it's a good song, but a little too short for an ending song. (Maybe it's just me, but I liked playing Free Bird last on GH2, GGAHT last on RB1, and Painkiller on RB2)

Harmonix is gracing us with one of the best video game series merged with the greatest band of all time, be happy. And sooner or later, that song that you want will probably be on the game!

Although I do think Hey Jude will be fun to end off with the fading 'nah nah nahs'.

Either way, I'm happy and can't wait to play the game!


Just be thankful it isn't Mr. Moonlight >.>

[Flybird]

^People have the right to complain, so they will. They have a good reason to complain, IMO

[rad5brandon]

Was Abbey Road recorded after Let It Be or was Let It Be in a different studio? Because I heard people saying that Abbey Road was the last time they were in the studio together, but the Let It Be album came out afterwards.

[dabrry0523]

let it be was recorder before Abbey road but it was released after Abbey road

[Flybird]

^Yes, Abbey Road was the last Beatles album recorded completely by all 4 Beatles. It was recorded in mid-1969.

Every song from Let it Be, sans I Me Mine (which was recorded in 1970) and Across the Universe (1968), was recorded in early 1969.

[rad5brandon]

Ok thank you, that has always been something that has confused me.

I really, REALLY want to know how he got a hold of a copy, because i want one. now.

[DMSweenz30]

Why is everyone complaining about it being "The End" (if it even is)? It's a great song, and a logical end to the game. They'll find a way to put the medley together.

[Killercroissants]

You were being ironic? I was being sarcastic. You are a clever one for sure. Maybe that is more your pace. Anyways The End is one of
my favorite songs. I would be happy with it. The point everybody seems to be missing is that it hasn't been confirmed. You are all jumping the gun here. Some guy in Singapore says it's the last song and we believe him? Come on.

I agree.

Not to mention, while the End would be a perfect way to end the game, there's no proof that some random Singapore guy know the final song.

On top of that, NO ONE said the last song to be released is the last song in the game (please seem my most recent thread).

I don't know why we just all jump to that conclusion.


WIWY/TNK from the Love album were RECORDED in the 60's. They werent mashed up but they were recorded in the 60's. They didnt record any new music on that track. They said only music recorded between 1962-1969 will be on the game.

I also agree with this (about Real Love/ Free as a Bird being chosen).

While it's true that WYWY/TMN was released in 06, Free...Bird or Real Love were MADE in 96.

If that doesn't make sense, let me hand you an analogy (using softdrinks as usual).

If you were to buy a coke and a pepsi three days ago, that's one thing. If you were to mix them together to make one drink, that's another thing. You don't say the drink was MADE the moment you make it, unless you put a patent on your new mixed drink. However, if you were to make some crazy drink and patent it and it's unheard of elsewhere, then you would have a brand new product that was made recently. However, the mixed drink you made would still be 3 days old because you're just using pieces from an already aged product.

So, basically, you're not making or recording new songs for WYWY/TMN, you're just remixing them in a new way from old matieral.

Free...Bird/ Real Love is actually partially made of old matieral, but there's also instruments added from 96, making it an actually new product and not something the Beatles actually created themselves.

Real Love or Free as a Bird is as much the Beatles original recording as John Lennon's "Give Peace a Chance"

[tingly]

We covered the "why" as well as that nobody is 100% positive that it's The End or that #45 is the encore in multiple threads.

[Killercroissants]

Yes, but no one seems to remember that.

[tingly]

They're just being conversational. "it is soooooo The End" would mean "I would be really surprised if it wasn't The End."

[Killercroissants]

True, perhaps...I just want someone to think with an open-mind for a more likely choice besides The End.

Why not If I fell or In my Life or Dig It or Happiness is a Warm Gun or Think For Yourself or It Won't be Long?

Basically, I'm just trying to keep our minds open, not their opinions off.

[tingly]

It's ok to lean in one direction. Nothing wrong with being wrong and I've been spectacularly wrong on the boards. I say, "it really looks like The End, but it's not for sure." If I refer to song 45 as The End, I'm assuming everyone knows the rest so I don't have to type out all the caveats every time.

[iAmtheWalrus]

Somehow, if they had the last song be "The End" then after the credits roll with the "Brian's Song" of video gaming, then Hey Jude come on... it'd be pretty cool.

An even more secret song, not available to play until you unlock it! :s

[Wave57]

We should just wait for confirmation on song 45

[Killercroissants]

Agreed

[iAmtheWalrus]

Now that I'm thinking about it, I don't want to know the last song.. I want it to be a surprise for me.. make it better.

[bootwest]

Someone said that the time between tropies was 2 minutes and 50 seconds, right?
It could be the anthology 3 remix.

[autumnmantis]

However, the mixed drink you made would still be 3 days old because you're just using pieces from an already aged product.

So, basically, you're not making or recording new songs for WYWY/TMN, you're just remixing them in a new way from old matieral.

... so if I go into a bar and order a gin & tonic, the bar tender would tell me it was made weeks ago? Rubbish. I don't have anything against Within You Never Knows being in game-- I think it was the only way to show their Indian influence and still have interesting parts for all players. However, saying that mixing two things is not an act of creation in itself flies in the face of modern art theory, as well as common sense. To follow your drink metaphor, restaurants have special recipes for drinks, and people say, "Oh, that place has the best Arnold Palmers". This is because mixing is not as simple as just throwing two things together; it is an art in itself, and it creates something new.

[ElvisChapelGuy]

Guys, check out the version of The End on Anthology 3. I think that's the one they'd use. The end of it is perfect for a "Brian's Song" type ending.

[Chael]

We should just wait for confirmation on song 45

I agree. Just out of curiousity though, what brought about the change?