Does twilight suck??

[DH22295]

Does twilight suck??

yes,it does

stupid book vampires

[Oscar-Rio]

imo, yes.

[Fizzeler]

imo, yes.

this sums up my thoughts

[bradylicious9]

absolutely, yes.


but i think the poll is gonna be a male/female general result.

[daftuprising]

the books are good, the movie sucks.

[ffwarrior47]

Sparkly vampires suck.

[RonnieWood]

Yes it does, but Hayley Williams likes it :$ so if I ever meet her, I like it.

[Meyernltn]

They are all terrible.

[Runesmith]

Anything that introduces kids and teens alike to the joys of reading (particularly fantasy and sci-fi literature) kicks ass in my book.

I voted 'yes' despite not being a Twilight fan myself.

[Elegy]

Anything that introduces kids and teens alike to the joys of reading (particularly fantasy and sci-fi literature) kicks ass in my book.



that is true, and uhhh "stupid book vampires??"

umm, Dracula?

[ffwarrior47]

that is true, and uhhh "stupid book vampires??"

umm, Dracula?

Stupid book Vampires = Twilight

Dracula = Awesome.

[Jglaubman]

that is true, and uhhh "stupid book vampires??"

umm, Dracula?

Dracula is not a stupid vampire. This crap is about stupid vampires.

[DH22295]

Stay in the topic
this is about twilight

[Daesania]

^dude you cant tell people what to discuss and what NOT to discuss, that's not how it works here.

Anne Rice vampires are where its at.

[DH22295]

^dude you cant tell people what to discuss and what not to discuss, that's not how it works here.

Anne rice vampires are where its at.

but if you do not stay in the topic, they close the thread

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

The books aren't bad at all, but the movies drag on and on

[moose39]

While Kristen Stewart is one amazingly smokin' hot piece of woman, Twilight sucks.

[Banky71]

The books aren't bad at all, but the movies drag on and on

Movies? Hasn't there only been one movie?

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Movies? Hasn't there only been one movie?

Movie, I meant. But the first one was a cash cow so I don't see them changing the formula at all.

[Banky71]

Movie, I meant. But the first one was a cash cow so I don't see them changing the formula at all.

Well I wasn't really sure. I have never read the books or seen the movie. It's cool some people enjoy it and I would never put anyone down for digging something.

[Blackjack041277]

No "Meh, it's not what it's cracked up to be, and I'm not a 14 year old girl so it wasn't written for me anyway." option?

[AKALink]

Yeah, and it doesn't help when this thing (http://thetwilightbus.blogspot.com/) stops to eat at my work at least once a week.

[Sarge51]

If you're going to make a thread like this the least you could do is explain some valid reasons as to why you think it sucks instead of saying, "lol it sucks, stupid book vampires."

Being a reader of real vampire novels I can say that Twilight sucks and that it's true, it's really bad high school-grade writing designed for teenage girls which will ultimately kill the future for anything vampire related. It's boring, it's written badly, and it's way overrated. It's just a Pokemon-esque fad that will fad slowly after 5 years, more or less. So long as Miss. Meyer doesn't milk the franchise like, say, Activision.

[jonoo24]

Books, yes, movies, no.

[rockfresh126]

I'm all for kids reading so kudos to that, but these are just terribly written books, and even worse movies (i hate roommates).

And even worse....Twilight made the Vampire Diaries possible. Ugh

[CHK10063764]

I never read the book or watched the movie.

[DeadPhoenix223]

yes.

any book/movie where the werewolves are the bad guys is stupid. obviously God made werewolves to be the shady good guys and made the vampires to be satanic bad guys...

[gmarsh]

It is absolutely terrible! I hate when people at our school talk about it.

[rowtheboat]

Never heard of Twilight...

[MrFruitLord]

Yes.

[gmarsh]

Never heard of Twilight...

Do you live in a cave?

[Pwnz0r3d]

The movies are just horrible.
The actors basically have three facial expressions
Scared, Mad, and Hungry.

The books are almost equal. I have read them, and the best part was the graphically violent birth. And thats not saying much.

[rowtheboat]

Do you live in a cave?

Yes, I YouTubed it and it looks bad

[-Emma92-]

I love vampires but wow, I was forced to watch this with my best friend and I couldn't even last half of it.

[RicoTheAwesomeCat]

I think the way that everything is done in the books is not quite interesting to my tastes, but the fact that there are a lot of kids getting into reading because of the books is pretty nice.:)

[Der_Lex]

I think the way that everything is done in the books is not quite interesting to my tastes, but the fact that there are a lot of kids getting into reading because of the books is pretty nice.:)

This argument really only holds water if the books cause kids to pick up reading as a hobby and will read other, preferably better written books by other authors afterward. Unfortunately, a lot of people who read the Meyer books or Dan Brown books continue to only read books by those authors, and stop reading altogether when the fad passed (at least until the next big thing comes along). And I have to admit that the choice between having kids not read at all or only read poorly written novels is akin to having the choice between being drown or burned to death to me. Although when they read poorly written books, that does keep them off my lawn at least. ;)

[Alright_Computer]

Yes, it sucks. Why does it suck? Because there are vampires. Vampires suck. YOUR BLOOD, that is! Get it? hahahahaha

[cscwell107]

The books are awesome and the movie blows

[Banky71]

Yes, it sucks. Why does it suck? Because there are vampires. Vampires suck. YOUR BLOOD, that is! Get it? hahahahaha

Very punny. :D

[Skittles]

yes it does indeed suck

[RicoTheAwesomeCat]

This argument really only holds water if the books cause kids to pick up reading as a hobby and will read other, preferably better written books by other authors afterward. Unfortunately, a lot of people who read the Meyer books or Dan Brown books continue to only read books by those authors, and stop reading altogether when the fad passed (at least until the next big thing comes along). And I have to admit that the choice between having kids not read at all or only read poorly written novels is akin to having the choice between being drown or burned to death to me. Although when they read poorly written books, that does keep them off my lawn at least. ;)

Although that's true in most cases, there are a few kids that have found out they really enjoy reading through it, my cousin for example, who is a 12 year old girl, read all the Twilight series and has since then read through almost all of the young adult section at her bookstore, it may not all be quality stuff, but she reads on an average of 3 hours a night. Now, I know that this probably in no way reflects most kids, but there's still a chance that kids will pick up reading if they actually enjoyed the books for more than fantasizing about Edward Cullen carrying them through the forest.:p And at least even reading bad stuff can help the brain somehow...right?

[Der_Lex]

And at least even reading bad stuff can help the brain somehow...right?

I don't know. I haven't read the Twilight books (as someone else already said, I'm not a teen girl or frustrated middle aged woman, so I don't really consider myself part of the target audience), but the excerpts and summaries I've read give me the impression that the books glorify being in a relationship with an emotionally abusive boyfriend with stalker tendencies, with a more than unhealthy dose of sexual repression thrown in. I don't know about you, but I personally wouldn't be too happy if my daughter read those kind of things, especially not if it were to consciously or subconsciously affect her views on sex and relationships. If Meyer were merely a bad author like Brown, that's still kind of okay, but I personally strongly object on the warped morality of her books.

[Mystlyfe77]

I have no clue, literally, how I ended up in this thread. But Dan Brown bashing makes me sad. He's not a visionary author, but he's fun. He's kind of like the "summer action movie" of the book world.

[Der_Lex]

I have no clue, literally, how I ended up in this thread. But Dan Brown bashing makes me sad. He's not a visionary author, but he's fun. He's kind of like the "summer action movie" of the book world.

Summer action movies are fine. But a bad summer action movie is still a bad movie. Likewise, decently written 'summer action movie books' are fine. You won't see me write a bad word about Stephen King, JK Rowling or Michael Crichton. But poorly written light prose is still bad prose. It's fine to write a simple mystery novel, but there's no excuse for mangling the English language. TDV has been described as 'Dan Brown's best-selling primer on how not to write an English sentence' by the NY Times, which is the second best description I've read of the book.

The best description, however, van be attributed to the wonderful Stephen Fry, who called it 'arse gravy of the worst kind'. :D

[Mystlyfe77]

Summer action movies are fine. But a bad summer action movie is still a bad movie. Likewise, decently written 'summer action movie books' are fine. You won't see me write a bad word about Stephen King, JK Rowling or Michael Crichton. But poorly written light prose is still bad prose. It's fine to write a simple mystery novel, but there's no excuse for mangling the English language. TDV has been described as 'Dan Brown's best-selling primer on how not to write an English sentence' by the NY Times, which is the second best description I've read of the book.

The best description, however, van be attributed to the wonderful Stephen Fry, who called it 'arse gravy of the worst kind'. :D

I would easily praise Dan Brown rather than give JK Rowling, who writes the same plot over and over, any praise at all. Dan Brown may use a formulaic approach to his book writing, but at least he plugs new elements into each one. Rowling, at least through the five books of hers I read, kept doing the exact same thing in each book.

"Wait, you mean the character that has looked like Harry's closest ally through the entire book is actually going to turn against him? And the one who he suspected to be his enemy is really working behind the scenes to help him? NO WAY!
...Oh, and someone close to Harry died!?!?!"

:rolleyes:

[Rockbandfan23467]

This is relevent. (http://www.cracked.com/funny-36-twilight/)

[BrianExplosion]

Dont even have to see it to know it blows.

[BrianExplosion]

I would easily praise Dan Brown rather than give JK Rowling, who writes the same plot over and over, any praise at all. Dan Brown may use a formulaic approach to his book writing, but at least he plugs new elements into each one. Rowling, at least through the five books of hers I read, kept doing the exact same thing in each book.


I loved Dan Brown up until i got about halfway through Deception Point. It finally occurred to me that he has literally no idea what hes talking about, and did practically no research whatsoever. Then I started wondering what else is he claiming as fact that he's just pulling out of his ass. (I'm referring to the scene onboard the submarine.)

[Der_Lex]

I would easily praise Dan Brown rather than give JK Rowling, who writes the same plot over and over, any praise at all. Dan Brown may use a formulaic approach to his book writing, but at least he plugs new elements into each one. Rowling, at least through the five books of hers I read, kept doing the exact same thing in each book.

"Wait, you mean the character that has looked like Harry's closest ally through the entire book is actually going to turn against him? And the one who he suspected to be his enemy is really working behind the scenes to help him? NO WAY!
...Oh, and someone close to Harry died!?!?!"

:rolleyes:

The basic plots in Potter are very simple. Rowling gets a pass from me on this one because they are books for kids, despite the fact that many adults enjoy them. But other than that, she has a decent, naturally flowing style of writing (although a bit heavy on adverbs at times), is fairly good at fleshing out characters (again, especially when taking into account the intended young audience), and although she borrows a lot from mythology for her magical elements (which just about every fantasy writer does, really), she has some original twists and ideas in there. Mind you, I'm not much of a Potter fan, but I know where to give credit where it's due.

As for Brown, there's nothing necessarily wrong with being a formulaic writer, especially not in the mystery genre. Both Arthur Conan Doyle and Agatha Christie were rather formulaic in their writing as well. The main difference between them and Brown is that their mastery of the English language exceeded that of a mediocre high school student, and that they actually knew how to write a decent mystery. In a well-written mystery, the ending should be surprising but logically deductible from clues given by the writer in the course of the book. Brown, however, either gives you clues that are so blindingly obvious that major twists can be predicted far too early in the book, or deliberately withholds them from the reader so it becomes impossible to expect the twist. I'm sorry, but that's just cheap, lazy writing, as is his 'end every chapter with a cliffhanger' shtick that reminds me of the way the first parts of the old two-parter Batman TV show episodes always ended. Add to that two-dimensional characters, stilted, poorly written dialogue, quite a few factual errors that imply a lack of research or just plain laziness (made even worse by his boastful claims of accuracy in his forewords) and action and suspense scenes that lack any form of actual action or suspense, and you simply have a very poor writer. It's fine if you like him, we all have our guilty pleasures, but the man is undeniably a hack.

[ace360]

I don't know. I haven't read the Twilight books (as someone else already said, I'm not a teen girl or frustrated middle aged woman, so I don't really consider myself part of the target audience), but the excerpts and summaries I've read give me the impression that the books glorify being in a relationship with an emotionally abusive boyfriend with stalker tendencies, with a more than unhealthy dose of sexual repression thrown in. I don't know about you, but I personally wouldn't be too happy if my daughter read those kind of things, especially not if it were to consciously or subconsciously affect her views on sex and relationships. If Meyer were merely a bad author like Brown, that's still kind of okay, but I personally strongly object on the warped morality of her books.

Whats wrong with Dan Brown? I've only read two and a half of his books (angels and demon the Da vinci code and deception point i'm only halfway through but iyts a good book so far). They have all been reall good books in my opinion. Sure he might not be as good of a writer as Stephen King or Dean Koontz but he still is a good writer.

[Der_Lex]

Whats wrong with Dan Brown? I've only read two and a half of his books (angels and demon the Da vinci code and deception point i'm only halfway through but iyts a good book so far). They have all been reall good books in my opinion. Sure he might not be as good of a writer as Stephen King or Dean Koontz but he still is a good writer.

Read the post above yours. It's all right if you enjoy his books, but to call Dan Brown a good writer is an insult to both the actual good writers out there and the English language.

[AeroZeppelinSevenfold]

Yes it does. Meyer is a terrible writer and made Muse seem like just another band the Jonas Brother fangirls like.

As you can tell from my sig and avatar, I absolutely despise this.

Me Talking to Girl that said they like Muse: Oh you like Muse? I love them! Have you heard....etc...

Girl: Ummm.....I only know Supermassive Black Hole.

Me: Oh....thats cool. (I'm going to kill Meyer.)

[ffwarrior47]

"Aren't you hungry?" he asked, distracted.

"No." I didn't feel like mentioning that my stomach was already full - full of butterflies.

[madcow36]

Yes it does, but Hayley Williams likes it :$ so if I ever meet her, I like it.

^ this :)

[Alright_Computer]

"Aren't you hungry?" he asked, distracted.

"No." I didn't feel like mentioning that my stomach was already full - full of butterflies.

Is that seriously in the book? If so, dear god, that's absolutely horrible.

[ffwarrior47]

Is that seriously in the book? If so, dear god, that's absolutely horrible.

Yes, it is... xD

[clashcityrocker10]

Read the post above yours. It's all right if you enjoy his books, but to call Dan Brown a good writer is an insult to both the actual good writers out there and the English language.

I can agree with this. I read Angels & Demons and did enjoy the book, but the language was overly simplistic.

About Twilight, never read the books or saw the movies, and have no desire to do so. I'm quite fine with the literary choices I've made, and they don't involve strange vampire-human romances targeted toward teenage girls.

[afterstasis]

i almost never read books that aren't manuals or music-related anymore, and that butterfly quote has made me 100% satisfied with the decision.

[HeyRiles]

It gets incredibly cheesy at times, but overall it's a pretty good read

[Der_Lex]

i almost never read books that aren't manuals or music-related anymore, and that butterfly quote has made me 100% satisfied with the decision.

As with most forms of entertainment, there's some great stuff out there if you look around a little. For every Meyer or Brown there's fortunately also a Terry Pratchett or Neil Gaiman.

[afterstasis]

As with most forms of entertainment, there's some great stuff out there if you look around a little. For every Meyer or Brown there's fortunately also a Terry Pratchett or Neil Gaiman.

my disappointment in the outside world is fueled enough by all the bad music i weed through... i don't think i can handle anymore.

besides, chuck palahniuk is prolific enough to keep me busy... i read slow.

[Der_Lex]

my disappointment in the outside world is fueled enough by all the bad music i weed through... i don't think i can handle anymore.

I don't know, good music/books/movies/art are the main (and occasionally the only) thing that convince me of the worth of humanity as a species and that lessens that feeling of disappointment. The bad stuff only reaffirms my low expectations, so it doesn't depress me further. ;)

[afterstasis]

I don't know, good music/books/movies/art are the main (and occasionally the only) thing that convince me of the worth of humanity as a species and that lessens that feeling of disappointment. The bad stuff only reaffirms my low expectations, so it doesn't depress me further. ;)

even the good stuff makes me hate everyone more, since it reminds me of everyone else's potential, though i have never been as embarrassed to be a human being as the other night when i was directed to youtube footage of the most recent "meeting of the juggalos".

you almost lost another good man to a self-inflected gunshot wound, planet earth... you better do something about ICP fast, otherwise they WILL be your undoing!

[Nuff_Said]

even the good stuff makes me hate everyone more, since it reminds me of everyone else's potential, though i have never been as embarrassed to be a human being as the other night when i was directed to youtube footage of the most recent "meeting of the juggalos".

you almost lost another good man to a self-inflected gunshot wound, planet earth... you better do something about ICP fast, otherwise they WILL be your undoing!

lol....icp...books could be written about the phenomenon that is ICP.

[Pwnz0r3d]

Michael Crichton.
that is all.

[clashcityrocker10]

lol....icp...books could be written about the phenomenon that is ICP.

Luckily, I hear very little mention of them in New York, if any.

[Chainedsoulz]

it rox

[jonoo24]

If you are in middle school, read, and the girls will come.

[Alright_Computer]

Luckily, I hear very little mention of them in New York, if any.

My high school was absolutely loaded with them... it was like an infestation.

[clashcityrocker10]

My high school was absolutely loaded with them... it was like an infestation.

I have mostly people who just listen to whatever is played on the radio 20 times a day. Oh, and RHCP fans. Most people scratch their heads when I name bands I listen to, so I've given up for the most part.

Also, regarding Twilight (not really), would anyone be interested in a thread on literature in general? I know people have tried them before, but they always have fallen off, but I'm considering making one.

[eringoesmoo]

I actually watched the movie intentionally just so I had some back up for saying it sucks.

And it does.

[jonoo24]

I actually watched the movie intentionally just so I had some back up for saying it sucks.

And it does.

Woah, how old are you?

[eringoesmoo]

Woah, how old are you?

15. Why?

[jonoo24]

15. Why?

All the 15 year olds i know are BatSh*t over twilight, i read the books they were meh at best. What's hilarious is the 4th book, the first 100 pages or so are like porn. I'm NOT kidding. heh, im also 15.

[General Lein979]

I've never read one of the books nor seen one of the movies so I can't judge it. All signs say that I would hate it so I've avoided it like the plague.

[Soja]

Does Twilight suck?

Are you really asking this question?

[gosox333]

I have never read/seen a Twilight book/movie, therefore I'm in no position to judge this franchise.

Why should I say it sucks just because it's the popular thing to do?

[kiggidykev]

I didn't enjoy the movie.

My wife liked the books but said the movie was an awful representation of the book.

[Mystlyfe77]

The basic plots in Potter are very simple. Rowling gets a pass from me on this one because they are books for kids, despite the fact that many adults enjoy them. But other than that, she has a decent, naturally flowing style of writing (although a bit heavy on adverbs at times), is fairly good at fleshing out characters (again, especially when taking into account the intended young audience), and although she borrows a lot from mythology for her magical elements (which just about every fantasy writer does, really), she has some original twists and ideas in there. Mind you, I'm not much of a Potter fan, but I know where to give credit where it's due.

I won't make exceptions for "children's literature" (especially when the author insists that it is more than just children's literature), given that authors like Roald Dahl don't have to stoop to repetitive and unimaginative plots. If it was a one-off book, rather than a sprawling multi-thousand paged series, it would have been more tolerable.
Beyond that (though Dan Brown is mildly guilty at times too), her writing (at least through the five books I read) was far too black and white for me.
Good vs evil.
Love pitted against revenge.
The world isn't that simple, and I don't want my literature to be, either. I love shades of gray; choices not based on what to sacrifice, but rather in what principles matter.
She tries to imitate the gray area by having characters switch sides, but they are never truly in between. They're either good, or they're bad. They just switch which side they've been aligned to.



As for Brown, there's nothing necessarily wrong with being a formulaic writer, especially not in the mystery genre. Both Arthur Conan Doyle and Agatha Christie were rather formulaic in their writing as well. The main difference between them and Brown is that their mastery of the English language exceeded that of a mediocre high school student, and that they actually knew how to write a decent mystery. In a well-written mystery, the ending should be surprising but logically deductible from clues given by the writer in the course of the book. Brown, however, either gives you clues that are so blindingly obvious that major twists can be predicted far too early in the book, or deliberately withholds them from the reader so it becomes impossible to expect the twist. I'm sorry, but that's just cheap, lazy writing, as is his 'end every chapter with a cliffhanger' shtick that reminds me of the way the first parts of the old two-parter Batman TV show episodes always ended. Add to that two-dimensional characters, stilted, poorly written dialogue, quite a few factual errors that imply a lack of research or just plain laziness (made even worse by his boastful claims of accuracy in his forewords) and action and suspense scenes that lack any form of actual action or suspense, and you simply have a very poor writer. It's fine if you like him, we all have our guilty pleasures, but the man is undeniably a hack.

While I agree that Dan Brown's mangling and extortion of the truth is quite annoying, I see we're having a basic disconnect in that you identify Dan Brown as a mystery author, while I view him as a thriller/adventure author.
I'll agree that Brown is no wordsmith, but at least I am entertained by his plots.

I'll also confess that I read all of his novels a few years ago, right around the release of The Da Vinci Code, so my taste may have changed since then. I'll see if I still enjoy his work when his new book is released.

[FloydPink]

Is the sky blue? Is the grass green? These are questions that everyone knows the answer to, my friend.

[JohnTheDrummer]

I thought it was stupid at first...

but honestly... it wasn't that bad :-[

[Smurfy101]

Zombies are better than Vampires

[RockBandRocker]

I just have to throw in my voice and my opinion here.

#1) The Twilight Saga has to be looked at as a whole, and then dissected. I will say, the overarching saga is great, but the individual book Twilight is rather weak.

#2) IMO, the main story that The Twilight Saga borrows from (throughout each book) is Beauty and The Beast. Bella (her name roughly translates as "Beauty") teaches the ferocious Beast (Edward, the vampire) how to love. She loves him, and he loves her in return.

#3) A lot of people like to bag on "the sparkly vampires". There is a reason for this in the story. If Edward Cullen burst into flames in the daylight, it wouldn't exactly be romantic. Also, if you read beyond Twilight, you will find that in their past lives (through the decades), the Cullens were nocturnal only. However, with the move to cloudy Washington, they decided that no harm would come from being active in the daylight hours.

#4) I find that most people that say "it sucks" are people that are completely ignorant of what happens in the canon (the books) and only accept the movie as fact. I for one hate the movie, but enjoy the book (even though it is weak compared to the other three).

[Sikaris]

There's nothing wrong with Twilight. I'll never be the guy who jumps on the bandwagon of hating things. Watched the movie and it was decent enough to hold my attention for a couple hours. Honestly, the only thing I hate is the Twilight bashers themselves.

[JukeBoxHero]

Also, regarding Twilight (not really), would anyone be interested in a thread on literature in general? I know people have tried them before, but they always have fallen off, but I'm considering making one.

I would be interested in a new one, especially so I find and type some recommendations down when I've finish my goal of reading every Stephen King book. :)

Also I haven't read Twilight or seen the movie. Based off the premise of what I heard is poor writing, couple with a romance story(which I'm usually not into) it's not the type of book I would enjoy.

[Der_Lex]

Also, regarding Twilight (not really), would anyone be interested in a thread on literature in general? I know people have tried them before, but they always have fallen off, but I'm considering making one.

Sure, that should be fun. I promise I'll behave until somebody mentions Dan Brown. ;)

[bermuddy]

i love the da vinci code. greatest book ever. dan brown should have won the pulitzer.

[Der_Lex]

i love the da vinci code. greatest book ever. dan brown should have won the pulitzer.

You're not fooling anyone, Muddy. We all know you can't read.

I'm impressed with your elaborate system for communicating on this forum through a complicated system of flash cards and a trained monkey typist, though.

[bermuddy]

that monkey cost me a fortune.

[Runesmith]

I won't make exceptions for "children's literature" (especially when the author insists that it is more than just children's literature), given that authors like Roald Dahl don't have to stoop to repetitive and unimaginative plots. If it was a one-off book, rather than a sprawling multi-thousand paged series, it would have been more tolerable.
Beyond that (though Dan Brown is mildly guilty at times too), her writing (at least through the five books I read) was far too black and white for me.
Good vs evil.
Love pitted against revenge.
The world isn't that simple, and I don't want my literature to be, either. I love shades of gray; choices not based on what to sacrifice, but rather in what principles matter.
She tries to imitate the gray area by having characters switch sides, but they are never truly in between. They're either good, or they're bad. They just switch which side they've been aligned to.

If you are referring to JK Rowling, I'd say that the character of Snape is about as grey as it gets.

[clashcityrocker10]

Ok, I'll start up a literature thread as soon as I get the chance.

[sillystou]

Vampires suck.



blood that is. Twilight sucks too.

[Mystlyfe77]

If you are referring to JK Rowling, I'd say that the character of Snape is about as grey as it gets.

Snape is hardly gray. He's either black or white at any given moment, and just flips back and forth. He's Rowling's attempt at writing shades of gray, but she failed at it.
There's no moment where he makes decisions that blur the lines between good and evil (and ultimately he's just good, but has to act evil to be a double agent, or whatever). He isn't plagued with moral decisions about his principles or values, he just loves Harry's mom. It's just silly.

[Zidane]

Zombies are cooler than Vampires anyway.

[Wolfbeckett]

Listen, any vampire story where the so-called vampires do not burst into flames or turn to ash when sunlight hits them is not a good vampire story in my book. Call me old fashioned but I expect certain things from my vampires.

[willdabeast21]

Dammit, discount a vote on the No side, I clicked it accidentally, ****
I was thinking it was "Do You Like Twilight"

[Banky71]

Dammit, discount a vote on the No side, I clicked it accidentally, ****
I was thinking it was "Do You Like Twilight"

Great! Now we have to start all over again. :D

[Lily_Mu]

Anything that introduces kids and teens alike to the joys of reading (particularly fantasy and sci-fi literature) kicks ass in my book.

I voted 'yes' despite not being a Twilight fan myself.

Reading a book does not make kids better persons.

I disagree with this statement.

[Sargehalo51]

I enjoyed both the books and the movie.

[Zidane]

Reading a book does not make kids better persons.

I disagree with this statement.

No, but it helps them enjoy reading more and more. Harry Potter did it for me, so It's all cool.

[Der_Lex]

Reading a book does not make kids better persons.

I disagree with this statement.

That's not was he was saying. What he was saying is that he approves of something that gets more kids into reading, because he personally enjoys reading as a hobby and would like for others to share in the joy of that experience. I have to say I agree with that.
I also have to say that even though reading doesn't necessarily make you a better person, it often is a sign of a certain appreciation of more intellectual pursuits (assuming you read more than just 'airport books', of course) and a way to stimulate your imagination instead of having sounds and images spoon-fed to you. And in this day and age in which anti-intellectualism and closed-mindedness are being pushed by far too many organizations in society, I can't help but applaud hobbies that stimulate and open up the brain a bit more.

[Lily_Mu]

That's not was he was saying. What he was saying is that he approves of something that gets more kids into reading, because he personally enjoys reading as a hobby and would like for others to share in the joy of that experience. I have to say I agree with that.
I also have to say that even though reading doesn't necessarily make you a better person, it often is a sign of a certain appreciation of more intellectual pursuits (assuming you read more than just 'airport books', of course) and a way to stimulate your imagination instead of having sounds and images spoon-fed to you. And in this day and age in which anti-intellectualism and closed-mindedness are being pushed by far too many organizations in society, I can't help but applaud hobbies that stimulate and open up the brain a bit more.

I read books when I was little.

Loads of books. And it didn't help me at anything. It's just a hobby, nothing more.

[Sargehalo51]

That's not was he was saying. What he was saying is that he approves of something that gets more kids into reading, because he personally enjoys reading as a hobby and would like for others to share in the joy of that experience. I have to say I agree with that.
I also have to say that even though reading doesn't necessarily make you a better person, it often is a sign of a certain appreciation of more intellectual pursuits (assuming you read more than just 'airport books', of course) and a way to stimulate your imagination instead of having sounds and images spoon-fed to you. And in this day and age in which anti-intellectualism and closed-mindedness are being pushed by far too many organizations in society, I can't help but applaud hobbies that stimulate and open up the brain a bit more.

I couldn't agree more, very well said Lex!

[Mystlyfe77]

I read books when I was little.

Loads of books. And it didn't help me at anything. It's just a hobby, nothing more.

"Little" meaning what? Seven? Ten? Thirteen?

And just because you didn't find any personal enrichment out of the activity beyond it being a hobby doesn't mean the population as a whole feels the same way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPqerbz8KDc

[Der_Lex]

I read books when I was little.

Loads of books. And it didn't help me at anything. It's just a hobby, nothing more.

The content of the books you read as a child cannot be compared to the thoughts and ideas contained in the literature and/or philosophical works you can read as a (young) adult, which can change the way you think about things or look at the world if you approach them with an open mind. Kids' books are mainly meant to entertain, but also to get you to enjoy reading enough to give those more difficult books a chance later in life. I'm sorry that didn't happen for you, but reading can be much more than 'just a hobby'.

[Soja]

As an English major, I'm required by law to *****slap anyone who derides the importance of reading and literature.

[Sargehalo51]

Reading a good book is a portal into another world contained within your own imagination and fueled by the words on the pages.

[jonoo24]

Snape is hardly gray. He's either black or white at any given moment, and just flips back and forth. He's Rowling's attempt at writing shades of gray, but she failed at it.
There's no moment where he makes decisions that blur the lines between good and evil (and ultimately he's just good, but has to act evil to be a double agent, or whatever). He isn't plagued with moral decisions about his principles or values, he just loves Harry's mom. It's just silly.

Read the beginning of the 6th book. Snape has to decide to reveal himself as a dumbledore follower and not kill dumbledore, then die himself or kill him. This decision has nothing to do with Harry's mom.

[afterstasis]

Reading a good book is a portal into another world contained within your own imagination and fueled by the words on the pages.

this one time... when i was on acid...

[Jordanfre]

Its a terrible book series aimed for 12 year old girls, of course it sucks.

[MallikaVanHoldsworth]

Does Twilight suck? yes it does
Does a REAL Vampire splarkle with the sun? nope, it doesn't
Twilight is a big offence to intelligence and logic D:

[afterstasis]

Does a REAL Vampire splarkle with the sun?



REAL Vampire



splarkle

and i thought i'd seen everything this forum had to offer...

[Sarge51]

Afterstasis has spoken, let it be known that Vampires aren't real and that splarkle isn't a word.

[Wolfbeckett]

I for one welcome our new vernacular defining overlord.

[Pwnz0r3d]

and i thought i'd seen everything this forum had to offer...

lol, give her a break, she has bad english
Plus i agree with the whole
"Real fake vampires dont sparkle in the sun, they melt and die a horrendeous death"

[Zeke2005]

Seriously. What kind of vampire doesn't die in sunlight? For the love of everything awesome, someone please shove garlic down dude's throat....

"Oh look at me! I'm a vampire, but I have a dark and deadly secret. I SPARKLLLLLE!!!!" *while giving spirit fingers*

I'm only kidding. It's ehhhh.... okay.

[MallikaVanHoldsworth]

lol, give her a break, she has bad english
Plus i agree with the whole
"Real fake vampires dont sparkle in the sun, they melt and die a horrendeous death"

thank you :)... and for the other people (i don't know if I said it the corret way): no me discriminen por mi Ingles se que es pesimo, y necesito clases especiales fuera de mi escuela para reforzarlo ¬¬'

[bermuddy]

this is a non-spanish forum! next thing you know youll want Mana or Shakira DLC! :p

[forrest99]

bermuddy being a good thread troll ha ha

[forrest99]

and twlight is sucks more then high school musical 3

[MallikaVanHoldsworth]

this is a non-spanish forum! next thing you know youll want Mana or Shakira DLC! :p

I already know ¬¬ that's why I try to post with my horrible English sometimes you people make fun of that; yea, I understand English but sometimes is hard to me to talk it or write it in the correct way; and I won't what that **** in RB!! STOP MAKING FUN ABOUT ME AND MY BAD-ENGLISH, is not my fault it isn't my main langage and I'm not in classes yet ¬¬

[Ehfahq]

I dont know, I havent seen it. Like the majority of the people who voted yes.

[bermuddy]

I already know ¬¬ that's why I try to post with my horrible English sometimes you people make fun of that; yea, I understand English but sometimes is hard to me to talk it or write it in the correct way; and I won't what that **** in RB!! STOP MAKING FUN ABOUT ME AND MY BAD-ENGLISH, is not my fault it isn't my main langage and I'm not in classes yet ¬¬

the :p means im joking with you. everyone knows i love the spanish speakers.



:p

[Rockbandfan23467]

Was the poll timed?

Oh well, it does suck.