Gum Rubber drumpad mod - silent drums and great rebound

[vtjustinb]

So like many people on this board I'm a drummer, and one of the things that disappointed me most about the RB drumset is its lack of rebound. Rebound lets you work more efficiently with your stroke, and as Mr. Newton will tell you "for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." Essentially, the energy you put into the downstroke can be returned in free upstroke energy if that energy is not absorbed into the heat of collision, the deformation of the pad, and the shock absorbed into your hand/stick. Without rebound, I was a sad panda.

Another problem with the pads is that they are loud as anything, so there have been a lot of pad mods to try to quiet them down. I've seen mouse pads, foamboard, and drumset silencers--but none of those seemed ideal from a rebound stance. They have some bounce to them, but I really was interested in something that would not feel dead and allow you to roll easier.

I own several practice pads, and they all use gum rubber as a playing surface so I looked into getting some gum rubber to use as pad toppers. I found a local shop that does fab work for hosing, rubber gaskets, and other industrial needs and asked if I could get some sheet gum rubber from them. They had several thicknesses available, and since they cut pipe gaskets all day they had no problem making disks for me so I didn't have to buy a circle cutter.

I got four 7" OD (outside diameter) disks that were 3/16" thick, and they had them ready for me the same day. The cost? With tax the pads cost me $13 for all 4. Yes $13.

So I got them home and put them on the set and they feel outstanding. The toms feel like toms, the snare feels like a snare, and they are MUCH quieter than any other mod I've heard so far (at least ones that have made videos). I'd say the sound reduction is at least 66%, and that scales well if you're really wailing on them. In fact as hard as I tried I couldn't get the pads to be annoyingly loud, so I'd say most people would be very happy with the sound of the pads.

I also noticed no changes in sensitivity whatsoever. Because the pads rebound well I actually noticed an increase in sensity on rolls and other bounced techniques, just because the diddles are stronger on a surface that doesn't absorb so much of the rebound.

So in short, look around locally and see if you can track down some gum rubber. It's extremely cheap (some people spending $50 on practice pads to do a similar mod make me cry), it is one of the best noise dampening materials you can find, and it will make your drums feel like drums.

[Odwill]

wow thats great. Also being a drummer having that extra rebound would make some stick work 100 times less fatiguing. I wish I had a place that did that kind of thing around me.

[vtjustinb]

wow thats great. Also being a drummer having that extra rebound would make some stick work 100 times less fatiguing. I wish I had a place that did that kind of thing around me.

You probably do. Just do google searches for gum rubber in your city and see if it pings anything.

Chances are there's some industrial shop that works with gum rubber, and like I mentioned if you can track one down specifically that does pipe gaskets or rubber hosing you're probably in business.

I did look around at usual places (home depot, lowes) and nobody had anything like this. There's probably a good chance you can find places online that sell sheet gum rubber as well, and probably wouldn't be too expensive to ship to you. I still think there's probably someone that has it locally, but you might have to do some digging. Consider calling local landscaping businesses to see who they go through for hose work and piping, or maybe even the city utility board to see where they get theirs.

[Sharpshoota34]

Would you be able to take some pics or even a video perhaps? This sounds interesting. I'm satisfied with CigDangle's felt/foam mod, but I just wanna see if there's anything better out there, especially if it helps with the rebound.

[vtjustinb]

Yeah I'll try to post video and a few pics tonight.

[lucifer vandross]

i called austin seals ( i live in austin) they do it, but they don't stock it and they want 6 a disk. they do ship though (so i assume anyone from anywhere could order). i am going to keep looking, but even $6 a disk is cheaper than the cutter (of course when i started this i bought a circle cutter last night at michael's where my roommate happens to work and happened to give me a 40% discount. i might return it though, if i can find the reciept)... anyway not as good a deal as recieved by the OP... but maybe we could do a bulk thing if enough people are interested. I'm still looking though.

[boboette]

You probably do. Just do google searches for gum rubber in your city and see if it pings anything.


I googled "rubber gasket" and lots of places pop up. That's a better search term than gum rubber.

edit: actually under yellow pages, "rubber products retail" yield the best results. Other categories seem to be mostly wholesalers. I called two companies under Rubber Products Retail and they would happily do it for me.

vtjustinb, do you think 1/16 or 2/16 will work as well? I'm thinking the thinner the better? also does the pad covers the rim color? If so I'll probably do 6 3/4 diameter. Thanks!

[Ultrace]

How well do these sit within the drum head recesses? Did you have to use some sort of adhesive, or does gravity or snugness hold them in? I'd think that whacking on them with the drumsticks would cause shifting or for the pads to pop out...

[Lareden]

Great info! There's a hose shop on my way home from work, I'm gonna stop there today.

[vtjustinb]

To answer a few questions:

- 7" OD sits snug inside of the plastic "rim" of the pad. If you still wanted to see the color you would probably want to make it a little smaller, or you could just put some sort of color designator at the top of the pads.

- As far as the "thinner is better" question I'd actually say maybe, but 3/16" felt really good to me. Vic Firth makes a 1/8" thick "slimpad" that is supposed to more closely emulate the taughtness of a marching snare. It still feels pretty good, but it's a bit louder than the 3/16" practice pad (mainly because the rubber is mounted on a disk of MDF) and a bit less rebound. I think the thing that would keep me from trying 1/8" would be that the RB pads themselves are just plastic with a rubber film sprayed on top, and I'd be worried that 1/8" wouldn't be enough bounce. Logically the thinner rubber should be more "responsive" than the thicker rubber I suppose, but like I mentioned the 3/16" didn't drop any notes so I'm not positive that's even worth worrying about.

- Thanks for the suggestion on rubber gasket--that's probably a good thing to look up as well.

- You definitely don't want to just sit these disks on top of the pads without adhering them to the surface. They'll loose quite a bit of rebound if they aren't tightly adhered. Beacuse of that, I'd suggest not even taping them--but rather opting for some 3M sheet adhesive. Cut the sheet in the shape of the disk, and slap it on your pads. I'm planning on doing the same when my replacement drums arrive. As of right now I'm just using tape and the heads feel a little... crunchy... for lack of a better term.

The sheet adhesive works well though--I know VF's pads use 3M adhesive sheets to secure their gum rubber to the wood disks as well.

[lucifer vandross]

i am having absolutely no luck. i was thinking of just using drum mutes from GC.

[vtjustinb]

i am having absolutely no luck. i was thinking of just using drum mutes from GC.

Yeah that's not a terrible fallback, but those are designed to make the drums more quiet--often at the sake of feel. I've played on a few sets of sound-off mutes and never like how it made the drums feel.

[boboette]

i am having absolutely no luck. i was thinking of just using drum mutes from GC.

I called at least 10 companies until I found a couple under "rubber products retail" on yellowpagecity online. You should give it a try. It can be frustrating as a lot of people thought I was a nut case: GUUUUM Rubber? what?

[SoKGiX]

sounds like a good mod. would def. like to c some pics or vids. thanks bro

[Lareden]

If you can't find any locally, you might try to order it over the phone from a place like this:

http://www.rubbercal.com/Pure_Gum.html

They specifically mention it's use for drum practice pads.

[Lareden]

I just found a local shop that knew exactly what I was talking about. They're charging me $3 each. (pretty good considering practice pads made of this stuff are waaaaay more than that) Just a 5 min drive from my office... so I put in an order and I'll be grabbing them on my way home :)

Anyways, here's the address in case anyone else lives around San Bernardino, CA:

Industrial Rubber & Supply
202 Hillcrest Ave San Bernardino CA 92408
909-383-2316

[vtjustinb]

I just found a local shop that knew exactly what I was talking about. They're charging me $3 each. (pretty good considering practice pads made of this stuff are waaaaay more than that) Just a 5 min drive from my office... so I put in an order and I'll be grabbing them on my way home :)

Glad you were able to find one (and got a deal similar to what I found).

It is funny about the practice pad. Kind of makes you laugh at the thought of paying $30 for a $3 piece of gum rubber (that they bought in bulk and is probably less per unit) on a disk of $3 MDF or particle board. :P

[CRCError]

For what it's worth - This company is in Indianapolis, Indiana and it looks like they will cut custom gaskets for you.

Dunham Rubber & Belting Corp (http://dunham.thomasnet.com/)

[maxx77]

For what it's worth - This company is in Indianapolis, Indiana and it looks like they will cut custom gaskets for you.

Dunham Rubber & Belting Corp (http://dunham.thomasnet.com/)

You just saved me a lot of effort. I live in Indy. :) Gonna give this a shot. I've hated the non-reboundy-ness of the RB pads for the same reasons the first person posted. I have a Roland electronic drum kit and it is SO much bouncier than the RB pads. The RB pads feel like plastic by comparison. That bugs me every time I play.


*update*

I browsed that site. It looks like you can only order entire rolls of the stuff. I could be reading the item description wrong though. I sent them an email asking if a smaller quantity can be ordered.

[Frederf]

Looks good, I think rebound is slightly more important than noise. Gum rubber is probably not the most attractive surface on the planet. Could a thin application of black felt improve the appearance with no/minimal effect on the dynamics?

[maxx77]

For anyone who is trying to find businesses that sell gum rubber, this is probably your best resource for tracking them down:

http://www.thomasnet.com/nsearch.html?cov=NA&which=prod&what=gum+rubber&navsec=search&heading=69430700

Sorry for the long url. Once you're there, change the search criteria at the top to match your state, and then do a search. Hopefully you'll be able to find what you're looking for. All of the ones I checked out didn't state specifically if they could do an order for 4 gum rubber pads, but they all have had phone numbers to call and forms to fill out to ask questions with. I've emailed a few places so far but it's not been long enough for them to have replied yet.

[Jingo]

For all those that got the Gum Rubber, how did it work out for you?

[vtjustinb]

Sorry for the delay--I've had a bunch of orchestral gigs, and I have another tonight. I'll try to post pics and a video soon.

[ironchef]

Anyone find a place that will do this around Los Angeles? I can't seem to find one.

[vtjustinb]

Anyone find a place that will do this around Los Angeles? I can't seem to find one.

Try calling: http://www.amesindustrial.com/extrusion.htm

They're in LA and if you go to the "materials" section pure gum is listed there. They should be able to hook you up.

[ironchef]

Already tried there. They're asking for $50 minimum.

[tomahawk72]

This seems like the best idea yet. I've avoided the others because they didn't seem right to me. This sounds perfect.

Now to find some gum rubber.

[maxx77]

I emailed about 5 different places asking for price quotes. One business responded, telling me that they'd get with me soon on the cost. Another responded saying they don't do small orders. No prices yet. I'm hoping I can get these before xmas.

[lucifer vandross]

i had a problem so i just bought the mutes, but if i could find them for $3 each, or if some kind soul would be willing to ship out ones that they find i could swing it. i think there is a lot of trust involved in that though.

[Dvert]

Anyone know of a place in Phoenix AZ to pick them up? Thanks

[Lareden]

For all those that got the Gum Rubber, how did it work out for you?

It works well. Quieter and more bounce. I used the specs in the OP, but I would say get them slightly smaller in diameter and a bit thinner. Mine didn't fit very well into the lip of the drum heads (they kinda bulged outward), so I had to trim them down with scissors. If I wanted to glue them in place it would have been fine, but I wanted to use double-sided tape so I can remove them later if I want. The thickness doesn't matter too much, just that thinner is cheaper and these are pretty darn thick, so I think they can stand to be a bit thinner.

Edit: My observations: They are quieter, but still not super-quiet. They do have a better sound though, it's a deeper "thud" sound which is less noticeable when playing, to me. The sound never bothered me that much though so I'm probably the wrong person to assess that problem. If you're a light-hitting player, you might not notice the extra rebound much. The extra bounce is definitely a lot better when striking with moderate to hard force, and/or using heavy sticks (like the ones that came with it).

[Lareden]

i had a problem so i just bought the mutes, but if i could find them for $3 each, or if some kind soul would be willing to ship out ones that they find i could swing it. i think there is a lot of trust involved in that though.

I smell an ebay opportunity.

[maxx77]

I smell an ebay opportunity.

I like the way you think. :rolleyes:

I just ordered my pads from a local business where I live. The guy I ordered them from said "that's funny, someone else called here requesting the exact same thing..." I explained to him what we're doing. He said it would be cool if I recommended the business on here, but he wanted me to wait until I actually had the pads to make sure that they'll work out. I should have them in a few days. I'll let you guys know about it once I have them.

[lavaweb]

but he wanted me to wait until I actually had the pads to make sure that they'll work out. I should have them in a few days. I'll let you guys know about it once I have them.

Where are you from? Any recommended places in the So Cal area? I tried the foam-felt way, but pulled them off due to them not being very effective with the sound, and reducing the bounce.

[Jingo]

It works well. Quieter and more bounce. I used the specs in the OP, but I would say get them slightly smaller in diameter and a bit thinner. Mine didn't fit very well into the lip of the drum heads (they kinda bulged outward), so I had to trim them down with scissors. If I wanted to glue them in place it would have been fine, but I wanted to use double-sided tape so I can remove them later if I want. The thickness doesn't matter too much, just that thinner is cheaper and these are pretty darn thick, so I think they can stand to be a bit thinner.

Edit: My observations: They are quieter, but still not super-quiet. They do have a better sound though, it's a deeper "thud" sound which is less noticeable when playing, to me. The sound never bothered me that much though so I'm probably the wrong person to assess that problem. If you're a light-hitting player, you might not notice the extra rebound much. The extra bounce is definitely a lot better when striking with moderate to hard force, and/or using heavy sticks (like the ones that came with it).

What durometer is the rubber that you purchased? I am unsuccessful in getting the gum rubber anytime soon and can match up the durometer to a difference type of rubber. (The place you bought it from will know the specs for this)

[Lareden]

Where are you from? Any recommended places in the So Cal area? I tried the foam-felt way, but pulled them off due to them not being very effective with the sound, and reducing the bounce.

I posted this on the second page:

Industrial Rubber & Supply
202 Hillcrest Ave San Bernardino CA 92408
909-383-2316

Southern California is a big place, so this could be nowhere near you. Whereabouts in So Cal? Coastal, IE, San Diego, ?

[Lareden]

What durometer is the rubber that you purchased? I am unsuccessful in getting the gum rubber anytime soon and can match up the durometer to a difference type of rubber. (The place you bought it from will know the specs for this)

Looks like Natural Gum Rubber is 40 +/- 5. Maybe slightly softer would give a bit more bounce.

[lavaweb]

Whereabouts in So Cal? Coastal, IE, San Diego, ?

I'm up in the Santa Clarita Valley, but UPS ground can be one day delivery as long as I find someplace in the So Cal area.

Thanks for the post.

[Jingo]

Looks like Natural Gum Rubber is 40 +/- 5. Maybe slightly softer would give a bit more bounce.

Cool will lookout for that, it might be better because I want to get black rubber and not the natural tan gum rubber. I will be getting the 1/8" instead of the 3/16", and from the previous posts I will be having them cut 6 7/8. They are quoting me around $7 a pad, I thought that was kind of high since others are getting around $3. I did buy the Travis Barker sticks, but they are too heavy for the existing setup. Just have to get the rubber cut and I will be good.

[maxx77]

Where are you from? Any recommended places in the So Cal area? I tried the foam-felt way, but pulled them off due to them not being very effective with the sound, and reducing the bounce.

I'm in the Midwest. The place I ordered from will probably ship anywhere though.

I got the tan rubber ones unfortunately. My place doesn't have them in any other color. Hopefully they're not too ugly. And they were a bit high. Close to $6 a pad. I went with the 7", 3/16" dimensions. I ordered four. I should have went with just 1 just to make sure this is what I wanted, but oh well. If these aren't quite what I want there's always *ahem* ebay.

[Alphadown99]

Here's a site that sells 12"X12" and 12"X24" Sheets of all different thicknesses. When I get my set I'll definitely check this out. Hope I helped:

http://www.smallparts.com/products/descriptions/895.cfm (http://www.smallparts.com/products/descriptions/895.cfm)

[lb_oz]

mcmaster.com any kind of rubber you could ever want, next day shipping

[sjb110]

Does this stuff look correct:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/SHEET-OF-GUM-RUBBER-3-32_W0QQitemZ220182969697QQihZ012QQcategoryZ61793QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


I figure to cut 8 circles, and then double them up to acheive the 3/16 thickness.
Also allows for removing one layer to try a thinner thicknes.

[Jingo]

Does this stuff look correct:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/SHEET-OF-GUM-RUBBER-3-32_W0QQitemZ220182969697QQihZ012QQcategoryZ61793QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


I figure to cut 8 circles, and then double them up to acheive the 3/16 thickness.
Also allows for removing one layer to try a thinner thicknes.

Your best bet is to get the 1/8" gum that is advertised.

[v0mitr0n]

thanks .. keep this thread alive.

I am currently using pencil grippies with duct tape wrapped around the sticks. It's OK but just not "right". The foam felt thing seems OK for short term, but I can't see it lasting for more than a few months.

Rubber is the way to go .. and I agree about the thinner the better. Rubber with adhesive backing would be primo.

[Jingo]

You are correct saying rubber is the way to go. I did Konstructs method which alleviated the sound but did not like the feel of the Mute Pads. The mute pads were 3/16" thick and stuck up over the rim just a bit which now makes me think 1/8" would be better. I have a shop looking into this for me but since my business is miniscule I am not priority. Have it cut in a 6 15/16 diameter or 6 7/8 depending on how tight you want it. If you have it cut to 7" another user stated that it will buckle from being too tight.

[j0rd4n]

I'm in NC, and using the website that was provided above to search for places, I found 2 that I could contact via e-mail that service NC (one's in SC, one's in IN). I'll post my results on whether they will do a small order (cutting and shipping). I've requested a quote for 2 sets (8 pieces total) because I think this could be a pretty sweet and unique Christmas gift for a friend. :-) We should keep track of who does what services (something maybe a bit more organized than this thread). I think a business could get a lot of money if they'd make a bunch and ship them to us in sets for a small charge.

[Paradox]

I always thought the rubber would be best since it would also provide "protection" for the plastic drum heads themselves.

I know that the foam/felt mod is not for me..I think its not very condusive to playing full out and may be ok if you're a tapper or something.

I am gonna get the gum rubber one way or another, especially after my first set got a cracked head the night before last.

[in5initeloop]

Anyone got pics of the mod?

Video?

I've retrained myself to be a tapper it seems to work out better for the red drum. I still wonder if I should tape that sucker down because its only registering 80 to 90 of a 100 hits.

[jackshakes]

I've retrained myself to be a tapper it seems to work out better for the red drum. I still wonder if I should tape that sucker down because its only registering 80 to 90 of a 100 hits.

Tape will work, or a more elegant mod has been suggested on the board. It entails putting foam padding over the sensor on the inside of the head.

Search the board or look through my past posts. You'll register 100% of the hits with this mod.

[Lareden]

Anyone got pics of the mod?

Video?

I've retrained myself to be a tapper it seems to work out better for the red drum. I still wonder if I should tape that sucker down because its only registering 80 to 90 of a 100 hits.

I used double-sided tape to stick the rubber pads on. That way, if I change my mind or the drums break, I can always peel them off. It keeps them down pretty well. I've got some pic's I can post later.

I've been playing with the gum rubber on and I just have to say: wow, what an improvement. If you just lightly tap them it isn't quite as sensitive as the plain head, so if you play very lightly this may not be the mod for you. I was a bit wary of that myself, but I noticed whenever I play I have no problems with missed hits because I guess I get into it and naturally strike a bit harder. With the mod they perform great, sound quiet, and feel good.

[RBrafter]

I sent a price and availability inquiry to http://www.raleighdurhamrubber.com/ today. I will report back if I hear from them with the details.

[Angry_Games]

I'll give this a shot if I can find any place in Idaho that will cut them for me (shouldn't be too tough, just got to do some investigating)

I'd also like to point out something that might work out extremely well and give a little more mute (maybe a little more bounce as well?) that I purchased at a local music store, and haven't really heard anyone around here using:

Tama Silent Drum Tips (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemID=29953&ovchn=YAH&ovcpn=Sam+Ash+TL&ovcrn=29953&ovtac=CMP&AffiliateID=458)

Probably someone already mentioned this in other threads, but I didn't see it in this thread. I'm very interested to see if these will work well with the gum rubber pads (at the moment I have shaping foam duct-taped to my stick tips with computer foam sheets on the pads and it mutes very well but really isn't a total solution)


PS here are some 8" ProMark X Mute pads for $4.50/ea @ Sam Ash Music (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemID=54563)

[Parodygm]

For anyone who is trying to find businesses that sell gum rubber, this is probably your best resource for tracking them down:

http://www.thomasnet.com/nsearch.html?cov=NA&which=prod&what=gum+rubber&navsec=search&heading=69430700

Thanks for that. I used that directory to find Seals Unlimited in Beaverton, Oregon. I've e-mailed them a request and I'll see what sort of response I get.

[zolon]

Well, the only place listed on thomasnet for Washington State wants $100 for the 4 pads. So I am stuck shipping them it seems.

Any one get hold of a place that does black ones that ships?

Thanks

[lavaweb]

Does anyone have any pics yet of this mod?

[boboette]

Well, the only place listed on thomasnet for Washington State wants $100 for the 4 pads. So I am stuck shipping them it seems.

Any one get hold of a place that does black ones that ships?

Thanks

thomasnet or most of the internet directory lists wholesalers, since the majority of their customers are businesses.

I have better luck with yellowpages, look under "rubber", or in my area, it's "rubber products retail" specifically. They are smaller and are more willing to satisfy small orders and odd demands.

[cuddie]

pics/video

please lol. i want to see/hear the effectiveness before i spend more money. I've already applied the felt/foam thing.

[j0rd4n]

PS here are some 8" ProMark X Mute pads for $4.50/ea @ Sam Ash Music (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemID=54563)

Just an FYI, from what I understand, regular mute pads don't work very well.

Has anyone heard from a company that's willing to make and ship the discs (reasonably priced) yet?

[in5initeloop]

Tape will work, or a more elegant mod has been suggested on the board. It entails putting foam padding over the sensor on the inside of the head.

Search the board or look through my past posts. You'll register 100% of the hits with this mod.

Thanks jackshakes I'll look at my drums tonight and decide if I want to be that ballsy :)

I am not the most mechanically inclined guy.

[chance2002iu]

I like the way you think. :rolleyes:

I just ordered my pads from a local business where I live. The guy I ordered them from said "that's funny, someone else called here requesting the exact same thing..." I explained to him what we're doing. He said it would be cool if I recommended the business on here, but he wanted me to wait until I actually had the pads to make sure that they'll work out. I should have them in a few days. I'll let you guys know about it once I have them.

Hey man, I'm in Bloomington. Can you ask the guy you talked to if he'll ship?

In other news, anyone notice the PM feature is gone when you click on someone's nick? And am I the only one that is told 'insufficient access' (or something like that) when I try to view someone's profile to try to PM them?

[PhatDaddy]

What a great thread! I've taken all of your advice and ordered 4- 6 7/8" x 3/16" pads from a local rubber company...$4 and some change each...said they'd be ready this afternoon.

I appreciate you guys taking the time to share what you've learned about this little problem...I guess what a good forum is for.

[NoPance]

I sent a price and availability inquiry to http://www.raleighdurhamrubber.com/ today. I will report back if I hear from them with the details.

Coincidentally (this is the OP btw) this is where I got my pads from. =)

[NoPance]

Here is a (crappy, sorry iPhone sucks for pics) picture of the pads on the drums:

http://gravitywins.com/etc/gum-rubber.jpg

You'll pretty much only be able to get them in the natural color if you buy industrial-grade gum rubber, and I suppose you could further customize those to your color liking if you're metro like that.

Personally I'd suggest to not put the black felt on top since that's kind of counter-intuitive to the whole "get my rebound back" purpose of the mod.

I'll post video tonight when I can borrow the wife's camera and shoot some. The bounce and sound dampening is really pretty drastic compared to the old pads.

EDIT - And sorry but this is the op (vtjustinb). Wanted to stay with my SH.com and GT handle for the new forums just to make my life easier.

[j0rd4n]

I just e-mailed raleighdurhamrubber.com. I hope they can do the same for me and I can pick them up at their Raleigh office. :-)

[MdubMedia]

The bounce and sound dampening is really pretty drastic compared to the old pads.

In a better way I assume? So, you had the felt pad mod prior, correct?

How much better is the rebound? Noise level? Etc...

Thanks in advance. I'm trying to decide which route to go...I barely play anymore because the drums seem so lound to me ( I live in an apt. )

[boboette]

After a week of searching, I think this is the best deal for those who can't find a local shop. (my local shop asks for $60)

http://www.mcmaster.com/
type in product code: 8633k35

Note: smallparts.com asks for $42 for a 3/8"thick, 12 x 24 sheet.

mcmaster.com asks for $8.52 for the same thing. I checked the specs and they are exactly the same.

[PhatDaddy]

I'd suggest not even taping them--but rather opting for some 3M sheet adhesive. Cut the sheet in the shape of the disk, and slap it on your pads. I'm planning on doing the same when my replacement drums arrive. As of right now I'm just using tape and the heads feel a little... crunchy... for lack of a better term.

The sheet adhesive works well though--I know VF's pads use 3M adhesive sheets to secure their gum rubber to the wood disks as well.

I picked up my pads today, and mentioned the 3M adhesive to the guys behind the counter...they seemed hesitant to believe that anything short of contact cement would work, and then I'd have to rough up the backsides of the pads pretty good with some really tough grit sandpaper....

Where would I find the 3M sheet adhesive? And would contact cement work, or even spray adhesive?

[THEDONANDMIKESHOW]

Thanks for the idea VtJustinB. Picked up four gum rubber disks today 1/8" thick and cut small enough to still show the colored rings at Phelps Manufacturing near the city of Baltimore. Also the manager at my local Michael's Craft Store told me to use SILICONE GLUE (also known as silicone caulk, the clear caulk) to attach the disks. She said silicone glue/caulk will hold the disks tight but will also peel off the kit and or the game pad if removal is ever needed. I also use a pair of Tama Drum Stick Silencer Tips with the Rock Band kit. Oh and by the way I also purchased (and returned) two other different types of practice drum sticks from SamAsh.Com that had built on rubber tips but I found no sound difference between those two pairs of practice sticks and the much cheaper Tama Silencer Tips.

[sjb111]

I slapped these on till my rubber order is ready, damn sexy!

[Frederf]

I think you mean silicone, not silicon.

[PhatDaddy]

I slapped these on till my rubber order is ready, damn sexy!

Why the plywood on the foot pedal?

[j0rd4n]

to keep the plastic from snapping (a very common problem, apparently)

[Jingo]

The shops locally want $7-$8 a pad so I will have to succumb to the price, however I am going to try something slightly different. Gum rubber is 40 durometer and I didn't want the natural tan color, so I ordered 40 durometer black neoprene rubber. You get the same gum rubber bounce but in black. Will take pictures when I get them in. I am having them cut at 6 15/16. The guy who had the cut at 6 7/8 please let me know how they fit, I am interested.

[maxx77]

I finally got my gum rubber pads. I got them for close to $6 a pad from

http://www.dunhamrubber.com/

Not a bad price, and it seems like they'll ship anywhere. They're natural rubber, so don't email or call them if you want grey or black.

I got them yesterday and played them for several hours. They feel really, really good. They're not exactly mute. You'll still hear the pads being hit, but it won't be as loud as before. The most important thing is how they feel.

Because of the extra rebound the pads provide, you'll be able to play longer and more intensely than before. Flick the sticks down and they'll naturally bounce back up, saving you energy and time. Drum rolls are so much easier now! That's exactly what I was hoping this mod would provide. An added benefit is you'll get to play longer without getting tired.

There are drawbacks though. The pads are ugly (they look like the image someone else posted). Also, they're kinda squeeky. If you slide the sticks around, it sounds kinda like someone squeezing a balloon. Not that you'd ever slide the sticks around during gameplay though, so it's not that big of a deal. The other drawback is that their durability seems questionable. My "red" pad is already showing signs of wear. It's very obvious where my stick has been striking it. Hopefully this is just the "breaking in" phase. If anything, if the pads break down enough, I could just switch them around and flip them over. It's better for these pads to eventually wear out than for the permanent pads that came with the drums to wear out.

[Jingo]

Maxx thanks for the info on the wearing out. I will keep a close eye on mind and provide any feedback with the neoprene.

[maxx77]

Definitely. I'll continue to post here about the status of my pads as the situation develops. I will likely get a lot of use out of them this weekend. After a few days of use, I should be able to tell how well they'll hold up.

I'm interested in how your neoprene pads work out. For the record, the pads I ordered were 7" diameter. They fit perfectly.

[IDuDEwithAGuNI]

I live in Canada so I havn't got it yet, but Ill be sure to look into it when I do. Thanks man. P.S anyone know where to get black coloured pads??

[murph]

I live in Canada so I havn't got it yet, but Ill be sure to look into it when I do. Thanks man. P.S anyone know where to get black coloured pads??

there is a foam rubber + felt solution here. you can use any colors you like.
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13539&highlight=cigdangle

another option is to use the back side of 4 mousepads. this is what i am using.

[j0rd4n]

there is a foam rubber + felt solution here. you can use any colors you like.
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13539&highlight=cigdangle

another option is to use the back side of 4 mousepads. this is what i am using.

i think that half of the reason this thread stays alive and is doing so well is because gum rubber offers more rebound than any of the other methods mentioned on the forum without sacrificing sensitivity. i know the foam rubber+felt can't do that, and i'm pretty sure that the elasticity of neoprene doesn't allow for good bounce-backs.

what we really need is to find a good dealer that will let you order these pre-cut circles online :) i'm still waiting back to hear back from the vendors i've contacted

[v0mitr0n]

another option is to use the back side of 4 mousepads. this is what i am using.

I've tried that .. I actually had a bunch of round mouse pads that fit perfectly. After a while though, I ripped em off the drums. The sensitivity just wasn't there with the mouse pads on. Now I just play the kit straight out of the box with bare sticks. Loud, but right.

The Tama rubber tips look perfect. Just ordered some to check out.

[Jingo]

Jordan:
I will let you know how the neoprene works. if you read my post above you will see that the durometer for gum rubber and the exact type of neoprene I am trying is 40. This is the hardness(give) of the rubber. The guy I talked to at the shop called his rubber suppliers and they seems to think it will be just as good as gum rubber.

[boboette]

however I am going to try something slightly different. Gum rubber is 40 durometer and I didn't want the natural tan color, so I ordered 40 durometer black neoprene rubber. You get the same gum rubber bounce but in black. Will take pictures when I get them in. I am having them cut at 6 15/16. The guy who had the cut at 6 7/8 please let me know how they fit, I am interested.

Neoprene's texture is different from gum rubber, which is good or bad depending on personal preferences. Here's a quote from wiki:

HQ, among other companies, also uses neoprene in place of gum rubber, which actually has such a stiff feel that the drummer must work harder to achieve the same effect (thus strengthening the muscles of the forearms and hands). Vic Firth, in co-operation with Bill Bachman, created a line of practice pads using very thin gum rubber for a playing surface, giving the pads a little more rebound than neoprene.

[THEDONANDMIKESHOW]

VJustin, Thanks for posting this information and not trying to just sell us something like the other douche who read this link and set up a Paypal account.

[Damage_Over_Time]

This is great info!!! Im going to go look up some shops now. Im assuming that this mod will help protect the drums themselves as well. I recently cracked my Yellow pad (and no I don't play like Animal from the Muppets like the other threads suggest).

[erickOnasis412]

nvm, found the answer

[THEDONANDMIKESHOW]

The 48 hour curing time for the silicone glue that is holding my gum rubber overlays just hit and I gave the drums a test run. I am a little disappointed in the amount of sound reduction but can't really remember how loud they were before when only using my Rock Band sticks with the Tama Silence Tips. I would imagine the rebound is better but I would like to know the rest of your opinions about the dampening and rebound effects. This mod might actually be quieter without the Tama tips on my sticks. Thanks...

[maxx77]

Neoprene's texture is different from gum rubber, which is good or bad depending on personal preferences. Here's a quote from wiki:

HQ, among other companies, also uses neoprene in place of gum rubber, which actually has such a stiff feel that the drummer must work harder to achieve the same effect (thus strengthening the muscles of the forearms and hands). Vic Firth, in co-operation with Bill Bachman, created a line of practice pads using very thin gum rubber for a playing surface, giving the pads a little more rebound than neoprene.

Actually, HQ uses both neoprene and gum rubber. I have this pad:

http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemPos=1&TempID=2&DepartmentID=4&STRID=91831&CategorySubID=653&CategoryID=653&BrandID=0&CategorySubPriceRangeID=0&pagesize=10&SortMethod=3&Method=3&PriceRangeID=0&SearchPhrase=&Contains=&Search_Type=Department&GroupCode=&categorysubsearch=true

One side is neoprene, which is about as hard as plastic, and the other is gum rubber, which is very bouncy. I prefer the gum rubber side. It's actually a lot better than the gum rubber I ordered. It's grey and textured. It doesn't break down or show signs of wear like the smooth, natural gum rubber pads I'm using with Rock Band currently. Maybe HQ allows people to special order just the rubber part of their pads... doubtful, but it'd be worth it (probably wouldn't be cheap though).

On a related note, the neoprene used on that pad is very hard (to contrast with the bouncy gum rubber side). I don't know if all neoprene is like that, or if it's just that particular "flavor" of it. The neoprene side is black, the gum rubber side is grey.

[StyxBoatman]

GREAT POST!!! I'm not a drummer, but my wife was in her HS days. She complained about the same thing. She had trouble with the drums because she couldn't get used to not having the "rebound" effect, so she was very dissapointed. I'm doing OK on the drums, but then again, I've never drummed before.

Your suggestion is awesome!!! I'll definetly try to find some around here and apply it to the set. I'm sure this will make my wife very happy!

THANKS!!!

Question though... what is the consensus on OD and Thickness... Is 6 7/8" with 1/8" Thickness the way to go?

[sparky7474]

Hmmm this is awesome, I'm a drummer as well, and I was having the same issue like everyone else who is a drummer.... No REBOUND! This is a great idea and I live in southern california, where someone posted a place to get the gum rubber. For those who live in southern cali, near L.A or San Bernardino County or Riverside county, ill let you know what the cost is on the gum rubber at that place they posted on page 4. I got a question though... I hear the the 1/8 thickness is nice, so I think I will go with that,but what is the diameter size I need to ask them to cut it at. please let me know before I purchase. Thanks!

[NeverToLate]

I googled "rubber gasket" and lots of places pop up. That's a better search term than gum rubber.

edit: actually under yellow pages, "rubber products retail" yield the best results. Other categories seem to be mostly wholesalers. I called two companies under Rubber Products Retail and they would happily do it for me.

vtjustinb, do you think 1/16 or 2/16 will work as well? I'm thinking the thinner the better? also does the pad covers the rim color? If so I'll probably do 6 3/4 diameter. Thanks!

Well y not just put something in the drum circle and paint the outside of each. If you know how to paint it well then it should look good then put the gum rubber in it and it would still look nice.

[JB4GDI]

Darn, the place in my city said they'd have to special order the gum rubber and make a special molding to cut it or something. They ended up telling me I was out of luck. Phooey. Looks like I'll have to check out that link to get the stuff online for like $6 a disk.

-Jaime

[sparky7474]

Good news for those who live in Southern California!!!! First and foremost, I want to say thanks to Lareden, on the info in southern cali. In regards to that.... They are pretty cheap. I have order them, and I should be getting them within a week. Industrial Rubber has them for $3.90, so out the door for four is $16.81, plus shipping and handling. So for those who live in southern cali, I think thats the best deal we are going to find. As soon as I get them in, and try them I'll let you know!

Thanks again Lareden!

P.S I order the 7"(OD) that are 1/8 thick, I think thats goingto be a better thickness instead of the latter.

[joshtbuff]

7" seems to be be too large. they dont fit into the inside plastic lip (onto the pad) they fit like into the plastic lip onto the plastic.

[rphtx]

After a week of searching, I think this is the best deal for those who can't find a local shop. (my local shop asks for $60)

http://www.mcmaster.com/
type in product code: 8633k35

Note: smallparts.com asks for $42 for a 3/8"thick, 12 x 24 sheet.

mcmaster.com asks for $8.52 for the same thing. I checked the specs and they are exactly the same.

I used the site. Seemed to have a decent price and it was easy to find things. However, I used 8633K15 instead.

This cost about $17 and it is 12" x 36" sheet. This will allow for you to cut out 4 discs. Thats about $5/pad if you account for shipping. Not too bad.

[pasmith]

So here's a dumb question... if I order a sheet of this rubber, how do I cut it in a perfect circle?

I'm still waiting for some enterprising small business to tell its customer "Yeah, we'll do those for you and anyone else you know who has this game, please post our contact info online."

[maxx77]

Here's the thing on the diameter debate:

If you want to see the colored rings, don't get a 7" disc. A 7" disc will fit inside of the plastic rings, edge to edge. How well it fits depends on the tolerance used when the disc was originally cut. The place I ordered from was pretty exact on the dimensions. My 7 inchers fit really well. If you're worried that the place you order from might give you pads wider than 7" diameter, and don't want to have to trim the pads yourself, get a slightly smaller size, like 6 and 7/8".

Everyone's mileage will likely vary, but in my case, the 7" pads fit perfectly.

Also, on a slightly related note, I'm using Scotch double sided tape to hold mine in place. Four pieces of tape per pad. Works perfectly. I got the "temporary" version of the tape instead of the "permanent" kind, just to make sure there wouldn't be any residue left on the Rock Band pads. Despite being "temporary" tape, the pads stay in place. Take the pads off though, and you'll probably have to re-apply new tape.

[maxx77]

I'm still waiting for some enterprising small business to tell its customer "Yeah, we'll do those for you and anyone else you know who has this game, please post our contact info online."

You haven't read all of the posts in this thread. :)

The company I ordered mine from said that they didn't mind being mentioned on here if I was satisfied with the pads. Someone else has posted this company on here as well, so this'll be the third time it'll have been mentioned:

http://www.dunhamrubber.com/

They've already gotten a couple of orders, so they're probably either getting used to us, or getting sick of us. Either way, they probably won't refuse you. They're a little on the high-end in terms of price though, compared to what some other people are finding rubber pads at. Dunham charges $5.60 a pad, plus about $8 for the shipping and tax. I got 4 pads from them for $31.

[Brandon92]

where did you buy those gum rubber pads? I'd like toknow so i cando that myself. Thanks

[sparky7474]

Who are you asking Brandon, we all live in different states and countries :) It might be helpful to let people know where you live, someone who has already bought this stuff might live in your hometown or close to it anyways!

[maxx77]

Who are you asking Brandon, we all live in different states and countries :) It might be helpful to let people know where you live, someone who has already bought this stuff might live in your hometown or close to it anyways!

It's like my text is transparent or something. I post a place where they can be ordered from and the very next post is "hey where do I can get these from?" :rolleyes:

Dunhmanrubber, for those thinking of hitting that place up, is in Indianapolis, IN. I think they'll ship anywhere though. No reason why they wouldn't.

[sparky7474]

AHHHH gotcha! DUH!

[maxx77]

AHHHH gotcha! DUH!

No no, you're fine! I was talking about Brandon actually. But it did occur to me when I was typing that message that just about all of these places will probably ship anywhere within the US. Next time I order from Dunham (which will be tomorrow), I'll ask if they ship anywhere. I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't.

[sparky7474]

Yeah the place here in my town do the samething, they will ship anywhee. So if anyone is wanyting to use the gum rubber, and need a pretty cheap place. Industiral rubber in San bernardino, CA. will deliver any where you need it shipped!

The price for each is $3.90.

[Parodygm]

Okay, I've checked with Seals Unlimited in Beaverton, Oregon and they can do them in bulk at $3.00. They apparently take credit card or ship COD.

I suspect that many people getting expensive quotes here are running into the problem of minimum order amounts. For instance, this company does a minimum order of $75. It's $18.75 for four pads but only $3.00 each for 50 of them!

If there's any interest from anyone in the Pacific Northwest, I might be tempted to buy a stack here and send them out to anyone who needs them at cost. Otherwise I might look at getting some from one of the other distributers listed here. Any takers?

[douglas_d]

Okay, I've checked with Seals Unlimited in Beaverton, Oregon and they can do them in bulk at $3.00. They apparently take credit card or ship COD.

I suspect that many people getting expensive quotes here are running into the problem of minimum order amounts. For instance, this company does a minimum order of $75. It's $18.75 for four pads but only $3.00 each for 50 of them!

If there's any interest from anyone in the Pacific Northwest, I might be tempted to buy a stack here and send them out to anyone who needs them at cost. Otherwise I might look at getting some from one of the other distributers listed here. Any takers?

If the the company I'm going to contact out of Spokane doesn't have what I want... I will be very interested in getting 4 pads from you if you decide to get a bunch. I may even buy a few sets since I have friends with this game as well.

[leprekon]

whats better to get, the gum rubber or the felt foam pads http://www.rockbanddrumpads.com/ i know i need to dampen the sound but also like to have a rebound. I just like to know if theres any wearing out on the gum rubber or theres no problem with them

[White_Rider]

I used the site. Seemed to have a decent price and it was easy to find things. However, I used 8633K15 instead.

This cost about $17 and it is 12" x 36" sheet. This will allow for you to cut out 4 discs. Thats about $5/pad if you account for shipping. Not too bad.

I did the same, though I ordered the 1/8" sheet instead. We'll see how it works out. Now I don't think I have a circle cutter around the house, so I'll have to find a good way to cut the circles out of the rubber sheet. One way would be to use a compass and then just cut the circle out by hand, but that would be sloppy.

Any suggestions?

[Bobman32x]

Even after reading all 11 pages im still slightly confused about where to get these and what i need. Can anyone here do a halpfull clean up or something where they can nice and neatly list what i need exactly, aswell as what stores/companies this rubber is coming from, their location, and their prices. It would be very helpfull to not only me, but many others as well.

[AtomicXbox]

This thread is great. I found a place in Ottawa, ON Canada that will sell a 12" x 36" sheet fairly cheap. I'm going to drop by today or tommorrow and get a sheet to try this mod out. I do wish the rubber was black.. but oh well.

[leprekon]

Okay, I've checked with Seals Unlimited in Beaverton, Oregon and they can do them in bulk at $3.00. They apparently take credit card or ship COD.

I suspect that many people getting expensive quotes here are running into the problem of minimum order amounts. For instance, this company does a minimum order of $75. It's $18.75 for four pads but only $3.00 each for 50 of them!

If there's any interest from anyone in the Pacific Northwest, I might be tempted to buy a stack here and send them out to anyone who needs them at cost. Otherwise I might look at getting some from one of the other distributers listed here. Any takers?

is it the black or the ugly tan and what size are they? I might be interested

[leprekon]

got a place that will sell a square ft for just under $13 and i just have to cut it but i have a circle cutter and will return mine back at michaels after i get them cut. Just ahve to go to the place 20 mins away and see if thats what i need. ill let you know and maybe ill post a video since i have the day off

[sparky7474]

I just order the gum rubber froma place by me, but I have one question for eveyone one. I want to know what are people using to hold down the new pads on to the drum kit, or better yet, what is the best stuff to use to keep them on the drum kit, which will allow to you remove them later and leave no residue left on the drum pads. Any help would be greatly appreciative!

[Parodygm]

If the the company I'm going to contact out of Spokane doesn't have what I want... I will be very interested in getting 4 pads from you if you decide to get a bunch. I may even buy a few sets since I have friends with this game as well.

Sure thing. I'm holding off pulling the trigger at the moment. I'm baulking at shelling out $150 for 50 pads and being stuck with them all. I suppose there's always eBay. :D

Not looking to make any profit on these. If I can get them in bulk and they work I'd rather just help some rockers out with an option on some cheaper mute pads. ;)


is it the black or the ugly tan and what size are they? I might be interested

It will be the "ugly tan". The size is negotiable - it seems as though they will size to order. I asked for 6 7/8" diameter with 1/8" thickness.

[sparky7474]

I don't know if you know this or not, but gum rubber also comes in red, you might need to just ask them, to see if they have it and also in the right thickness.

[crivit]

Parodygm if you decide to buy them in bulk I'd be interested in getting a set from you, as long as you'll ship to KY.

[RapscallionJones]

Big thanks to the OP for bringing this up. I found a place a mile from my house that manufactures rubber gaskets and supplies gum rubber. I sent an email off to them about the pads. We'll see if they get back to me or just blow me off, entirely. I love the game, but I desperately need to do something about quieting down the drums. I'm also dropping by a Radio Shack on the way home to get the things I need for a better kick pedal.

[sparky7474]

Does anyone know what to use to adhere the new pads to the drum pads? I heard about a silcone base. Should that be sufficient, or any other idea's. I just don't know what to use to adhere them to the rockband drum kit. Can you guys tell what your going to use or any suggesiton would be helpful!

Thanks

[leprekon]

does anyone know if you can dye the colour of the gum rubber to get rid of that nasty tan colour or should I say mine looks like rubber band colour. I was either thinking to dye it the colours or just black but i dont want to ruin it if it doesnt work

[sparky7474]

Leprekon, I am sure this is to late, but they also come in red. Inregrads to dying them, I'm not sure, I thought about spray painting them but, they guy who sold them to me said that in time it would just flake off.

I don't think dying them will ruin them, but I am not sure if it will take though. If you try it let me know if it works.

[maxx77]

Does anyone know what to use to adhere the new pads to the drum pads? I heard about a silcone base. Should that be sufficient, or any other idea's. I just don't know what to use to adhere them to the rockband drum kit. Can you guys tell what your going to use or any suggesiton would be helpful!

Thanks

I'm using plain ol double sided Scotch tape. Four strips per pad. It's holding them on really well and it doesn't leave behind any residue. I'm using the "temporary" version of the tape. They have "permanent" too, but I was afraid that might leave behind residue.

[sparky7474]

Hey Maxx77 so can I ask you how the gum rubber is working? Is there a difference, and what depth did you get?

[leprekon]

Leprekon, I am sure this is to late, but they also come in red. Inregrads to dying them, I'm not sure, I thought about spray painting them but, they guy who sold them to me said that in time it would just flake off.

I don't think dying them will ruin them, but I am not sure if it will take though. If you try it let me know if it works.

im sure you could probally dye it since theres alot of rubber that is different colours so im gonna try michaels or home depot and maybe try something

[maxx77]

whats better to get, the gum rubber or the felt foam pads http://www.rockbanddrumpads.com/ i know i need to dampen the sound but also like to have a rebound. I just like to know if theres any wearing out on the gum rubber or theres no problem with them

This thread exists because the felt pad technique isn't very good. They're probably quieter, but you're giving up rebound which in my opinion, is far more important.

I think I'm the only one so far who has mentioned anything about the degradation of the gum rubber. It's very noticable where the sticks have been striking the pads. With enough playing, the pads will either get to a point where they're broken in... or they'll keep wearing down and eventually no longer be flat. I haven't had them long enough to see which it will be, but I don't regret buying them.

[maxx77]

Hey Maxx77 so can I ask you how the gum rubber is working? Is there a difference, and what depth did you get?


Aside from the rubber breaking down a bit (see the post above), the pads are working out really well. You may not notice a difference right away, but switch back to the default pads after using the gum rubber for a while and you'll notice a huge difference. It's like going from real drums to concrete. Maybe that's a little extreme, but the point is, you'll notice a night and day difference.

The gum rubber particularly helps on the harder songs. Try some of the Metallica songs (doesn't really matter what difficulty, they're all insane) and you'll be very glad you have the extra rebound. Added benefit is you can play the drums as hard as you want and not have to worry about breaking them. AN-I-MAL!

[rkrysz]

Hey all,

Really interesting modification you guys have going here! I am very, very impressed with all the comments and suggestions.

Is anyone aware of a decent (relating to price and quality) shop or business in the N.Y. Metro area that can provide me with proper pads?

What is the general consensus on proper pad thickness? I understand that it is based on user preference; I am open to suggestions.

Is anyone playing with Tama Silent Tips (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemID=29953&ovchn=YAH&ovcpn=Sam+Ash+TL&ovcrn=29953&ovtac=CMP&AffiliateID=458) and NOT the gum rubber pads? Are these a suitable substitute?

Thanks in advance!
-Richard

[Asimovian]

I'm itching to spend some cash on this as I'm not too far from San Bernardino, but I'm still waiting for someone to post video with the modification.

Anyone? Guys?? :)

[AVC808]

Hey all,

Really interesting modification you guys have going here! I am very, very impressed with all the comments and suggestions.

Is anyone aware of a decent (relating to price and quality) shop or business in the N.Y. Metro area that can provide me with proper pads?

What is the general consensus on proper pad thickness? I understand that it is based on user preference; I am open to suggestions.

Is anyone playing with Tama Silent Tips (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemID=29953&ovchn=YAH&ovcpn=Sam+Ash+TL&ovcrn=29953&ovtac=CMP&AffiliateID=458) and NOT the gum rubber pads? Are these a suitable substitute?

Thanks in advance!
-Richard

i dont think the tama silent tips work as well as advertised. but i think it might be worth looking to see if combining that with the felt pad to gain more rebound would work out as good as the gum rubber pad method?

[RapscallionJones]

i dont think the tama silent tips work as well as advertised. but i think it might be worth looking to see if combining that with the felt pad to gain more rebound would work out as good as the gum rubber pad method?

My teacher gave me a pack of those silent tips back when I first started playing and he was teaching me rudiments. His advice was to tap them out all the time, on any surface and to stop me from driving other people crazy, he gave me those. They do nothing whatsoever to muffle the sound on any drum or hard surface. I've tried a bunch of things to muffle the sound of the sticks on the pads in this game and these gum pads are going to be my last stop.

I can only really play the game after my wife and daughter have gone to bed and even then, I still drive my wife nuts, so if this doesn't work, I'm going to have to take everything into the cold-ass basement if I plan on playing the drums at all.

[Dekelia]

Is anyone playing with Tama Silent Tips (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemID=29953&ovchn=YAH&ovcpn=Sam+Ash+TL&ovcrn=29953&ovtac=CMP&AffiliateID=458) and NOT the gum rubber pads? Are these a suitable substitute?
I got those about a week ago (I don't have any pads) and they don't work as well as I hoped. They muffle the sound a lot on a solid surface, but for some reason they don't do much when hitting the RB drums. I don't know why. They do provide a pretty good bounce improvement though.

I definitely prefer to play with them than without them, but the sound effect isn't very good..

[sparky7474]

Aside from the rubber breaking down a bit (see the post above), the pads are working out really well. You may not notice a difference right away, but switch back to the default pads after using the gum rubber for a while and you'll notice a huge difference. It's like going from real drums to concrete. Maybe that's a little extreme, but the point is, you'll notice a night and day difference.

The gum rubber particularly helps on the harder songs. Try some of the Metallica songs (doesn't really matter what difficulty, they're all insane) and you'll be very glad you have the extra rebound. Added benefit is you can play the drums as hard as you want and not have to worry about breaking them. AN-I-MAL!

Hey thats great news! I am now even more excited, I tell what those damn matellica songs kill me, as weel as that song by the "Who". holy sh*t, my arms are usually dead by the time I finish those songs. ( I play them on Med and hard). Anywasy thanks for the great feedback, at least I now can actually play like if I was on a real drum kit. I also picked up that "MetalPedal" to reinfoprce the kick drum so I don't break that! Anywas thanks agian!

[sparky7474]

I'm itching to spend some cash on this as I'm not too far from San Bernardino, but I'm still waiting for someone to post video with the modification.

Anyone? Guys?? :)

Hey Asimovian, just wanted to let you know I just bought some from that guy inSan Bernardino, REALLY nice guy and he knew exactly what I wanted and even better news, he has two colors! Hey has that nasty tan color and red! So you have chouice between the two. Anywas if you decided to purchase some drom industrial rubber in San Bewrnardino, the owner name is John, really nice guy and he will ship it as well!

[Asimovian]

Hey Asimovian, just wanted to let you know I just bought some from that guy inSan Bernardino, REALLY nice guy and he knew exactly what I wanted and even better news, he has two colors! Hey has that nasty tan color and red! So you have chouice between the two. Anywas if you decided to purchase some drom industrial rubber in San Bewrnardino, the owner name is John, really nice guy and he will ship it as well!Cool! Much appreciated. If I decide to go this route, I will definitely go through him.

[maxx77]

I'm itching to spend some cash on this as I'm not too far from San Bernardino, but I'm still waiting for someone to post video with the modification.

Anyone? Guys?? :)

I don't think a video is going to prove anything other than the fact that they're more silent. It's just something you have to play on yourself to really appreciate. You could go to a local music store (try Guitar Center or Sam Ash if you have them) and ask if you can try out the practice pads. They should give you some sticks and some sample pads. There's a hexagon shaped pad by HQ that's grey on one side, black on the other. Try that one and play on the grey side. That's similar to what the gum rubber mod feels like.

If you're serious about drumming, I highly recommend that pad. I got it, some sticks, and a snare drum stand a few months before Rock Band came out. The stand was the most expensive part (you don't actually need it though, but it's nice to have). I'm not sure if playing the practice pad has helped me any, but it's fun to play on.


Hey thats great news! I am now even more excited, I tell what those damn matellica songs kill me, as weel as that song by the "Who". holy sh*t, my arms are usually dead by the time I finish those songs. ( I play them on Med and hard). Anywasy thanks for the great feedback, at least I now can actually play like if I was on a real drum kit. I also picked up that "MetalPedal" to reinfoprce the kick drum so I don't break that! Anywas thanks agian!

I hope you like the pads as much as I do! Out of curiosity, which kick drum mod did you go with exactly? I saw someone was selling custom-made metal plates on one of these forums that attach to the pedal. Was it that one?

[LedZeppelinQ]

I was looking into doing something similar to this myself, but I couldnt figure out how to get a hold of the materials, thanks for the suggestion.

[bauermj]

I'm considering the Tama Silent Tips w/ Rock Band Drum Pads. Hoping the tips will give the rebound and the pads will help with a bit of sound reduction (though rebound is my main concern). Anyone already done this combo?

[whittibo]

Thanks for all the posts on here, I will place a call to John at Industrial Rubber tomorrow and see if he'll ship to TN. I would love to have all the different colors to make it easier on the kids, but I think you don't look at the colors anyway, just know where the pads are and hit them. So red will be cool looking.

[leprekon]

i got mine on but i put some foam pad on top of it because of the ulgy ass tan colour but i might just take the foam off cause it doesn't really rebound. I just hate the ulgy ass colour. I had to cut them and the circle cutter didn't work. I might just get some black ones if that guy gets them in bulk

[Asimovian]

I don't think a video is going to prove anything other than the fact that they're more silent. It's just something you have to play on yourself to really appreciate.Actually, a video would give me an idea of how improved the rebounding is, which is what I'm most interested in (I don't care that much about the muting aspect). Although I'm still very much a beginning drummer in real life, I have my own set at home, so I understand what it *should* feel like. I'd just like to see a visual comparison of how much more rebound the gum rubber gives as opposed to the game pads as they are. My hands do tend to get tired pretty quickly with the current set.

[carramrod]

Okay, I've checked with Seals Unlimited in Beaverton, Oregon and they can do them in bulk at $3.00. They apparently take credit card or ship COD.

I suspect that many people getting expensive quotes here are running into the problem of minimum order amounts. For instance, this company does a minimum order of $75. It's $18.75 for four pads but only $3.00 each for 50 of them!

If there's any interest from anyone in the Pacific Northwest, I might be tempted to buy a stack here and send them out to anyone who needs them at cost. Otherwise I might look at getting some from one of the other distributers listed here. Any takers?

im down for this, i live in oregon too.

[xhonzi]

im down for this, i live in oregon too.

Me too, unless someone's found something cheap and local to Denver/Boulder area...

xhonzi

[bigmelnoz]

Ok, I just got my pads today. I went wtih 6 7/8 diametere and 1/8 thickness. 2 thumbs up! I had been using the felt mod this month and it was okay, but it didn't mute the sound enough, this pad does a much better job with that and no contest in rebound cause the felt there is none, the gum rubber is much better than that or the plastic pad itself.

[Aerek]

I just ordered the 7" diameter 3/16" thick versions from

http://www.dunhamrubber.com/

They've been getting more and more orders for these and already some precut and rdy to ship. Shipping to Iowa was $14 and the pads were $5.60 or so each, but it was an easy order for lazy people like me that don't want to hunt around.

I'll post feedback after I get them.

[wickedbadz]

Gum Rubber is what electronic drum pads are usually made of anyhow, it'll work great to kill the noise and provide better rebound. The foam and felt idea looks pretty but thats all, I did the foam/felt thing and wore them out in a day...even with higher density foam its not going to work it'll flatten down and wear and not to mention it kills rebound alot....gum rubber is the way to go

[whittibo]

I posted a great place to get these, cheap and easy, just call them and tell them what thickness and what size you want. :)

Here's the post

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18576

[sparky7474]

I hope you like the pads as much as I do! Out of curiosity, which kick drum mod did you go with exactly? I saw someone was selling custom-made metal plates on one of these forums that attach to the pedal. Was it that one?

I did order the one with the metal, it looks more soluid, and from what I have seen on the different forums that people liked it and said they were able to pound on it without it breaking. The guy is actually selling them on Ebay, as a "buy now" product. Here is that link! I think its way worth it

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rock-Band-Bass-Pedal-Reinforcing-Plate-Pedal-Metal_W0QQitemZ280187255373QQihZ018QQcategoryZ1225 17QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[whittibo]

sparky, that's the one that you have to use the bolts or something, right?

I swear I saw another post for one like that but it just had something to stick it on there so it wouldn't void your warranty? Maybe I am mistaken, but I would like to get one, but don't want to drill holes and void the warranty?! :s

[sparky7474]

sparky, that's the one that you have to use the bolts or something, right?

I swear I saw another post for one like that but it just had something to stick it on there so it wouldn't void your warranty? Maybe I am mistaken, but I would like to get one, but don't want to drill holes and void the warranty?! :s

Yeah Whittibo, that's the one with the bolts. It may kill your warrnty, but I bought the extended warranty on it, so if I snap it I can still turn it back in and get a new one. Think about it though, if your placing metal over the top of that plastic piece, its going to way reinforce that pedal, and the chances of snapping it is going to be very mininal. Ill let you know when I put it on my own pedal, Ill give you an update!;)

[3Z3VH]

Yeah Whittibo, that's the one with the bolts. It may kill your warrnty, but I bought the extended warranty on it, so if I snap it I can still turn it back in and get a new one. Think about it though, if your placing metal over the top of that plastic piece, its going to way reinforce that pedal, and the chances of snapping it is going to be very mininal. Ill let you know when I put it on my own pedal, Ill give you an update!;)

But if you break the switch itself, you need to buy a new pedal.

[zemm]

Okay, I've checked with Seals Unlimited in Beaverton, Oregon and they can do them in bulk at $3.00. They apparently take credit card or ship COD.

I suspect that many people getting expensive quotes here are running into the problem of minimum order amounts. For instance, this company does a minimum order of $75. It's $18.75 for four pads but only $3.00 each for 50 of them!

If there's any interest from anyone in the Pacific Northwest, I might be tempted to buy a stack here and send them out to anyone who needs them at cost. Otherwise I might look at getting some from one of the other distributers listed here. Any takers?

I'm in Keizer, OR and would be interested as well.

[sparky7474]

But if you break the switch itself, you need to buy a new pedal.
Thats right.... but I can still unscrew the bolts and use it on the new one illl get. Besdie my warranty is through Walmart, and they don'y look at anything, they just accept that fact its broken and replace. You gotta love Walmart!

[dagware]

I just ordered the 7" diameter 3/16" thick versions from

http://www.dunhamrubber.com/


Sorry, but I've gotten confused by this thread. What specifically did you order from them? I mean, what do I tell them I want? I see the diameter and thickness above, but I'm not sure what product to order. Thanks.

Dan

[RapscallionJones]

I'm pretty excited about this. I worked it out with a local company to but four 7" discs at 1/4" thick for $20. I'll probably have them on monday.

[bolistik]

Yeah the place here in my town do the samething, they will ship anywhee. So if anyone is wanyting to use the gum rubber, and need a pretty cheap place. Industiral rubber in San bernardino, CA. will deliver any where you need it shipped!

The price for each is $3.90.


what number did you use to call them?

edit: nevermind, didnt see your post above WHITTIBO. thanks

[sparky7474]

Sorry, but I've gotten confused by this thread. What specifically did you order from them? I mean, what do I tell them I want? I see the diameter and thickness above, but I'm not sure what product to order. Thanks.

Dan

Dan, what we are order is Gum Rubber, I just got mine from my UPS guy and I will be installing them tonight when I get home from work. The standard diameter is 7", now in regards to the thickness, everyone is getting them different. The two most common one are 1/8 inch thick or 3/16 inch thickness. Just difference prefernce, nothing different, they aboth work well from what everyone who has tthem. So its your choice!

[sparky7474]

what number did you use to call them?

edit: nevermind, didnt see your post above WHITTIBO. thanks

Actually bolistik, the price that I posted was wrong they are actually cheaper, by 30 cents. So for the nasty tan color they are $3.60, and the red one are actualy alittle bit more, which are $4.50 for each one. SO I figure if you get colored one, expect to pay alittle more. I think its still a good deal so I bought a pair in red as well.

[whittibo]

I updated my thread here
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18576

JT called me to tell me that they ordered 1/8" thick in red and also a 6 and 7/8" die cutter to cut the circles with. I think both will be in next Wednesday. (Jan. 2nd)

The red will be $4.90 each and still has the $25 minimum with a credit card. But 4 of them with shipping will be right about the $25 mark. You get 5 of the tan ones for about $25 so you get an extra one in case anything happens, you have a replacement. :)

[sparky7474]

I updated my thread here
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18576

JT called me to tell me that they ordered 1/8" thick in red and also a 6 and 7/8" die cutter to cut the circles with. I think both will be in next Wednesday. (Jan. 2nd)

The red will be $4.90 each and still has the $25 minimum with a credit card. But 4 of them with shipping will be right about the $25 mark. You get 5 of the tan ones for about $25 so you get an extra one in case anything happens, you have a replacement. :)


Hahaha thats not a bad idea! I just went and bought a set of the red as well, so when the tan wear out I have a full replacement set! Supposedly I should get my red one sometime next week! I wont those too, just and FYI, I got my Tans ones today from John and they are a little dirty, but I am sure I can take a scrub brush and soem soap to them and clkean them up a little. Just an FYI

[Everman]

Check out what I got for Christmas from 3Z3VH!!!!

http://www.rockband.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=258&stc=1&d=1198885020

The logo is for my LAN Gaming company, http://everlan.com.

Thanks 3Z3VH!!!!

P.S. The Anti-Vibe Zildjian 5A's as well.

[sparky7474]

Hey cool logo!

[whittibo]

Thanks for the info sparky7474. I am sure they will clean up, and since this rubber is used for industrial use normally, I can see where it wouldn't be pristine. Our drum pads are already dirty and full of cat hair, they seem to be like magnets to the cat hair and dust in our house. It wipes off, but looks bad until you clean them. Now I know what to expect when we get our pads from Industrial rubber.

[Parodygm]

Okay, there seems to be a decent number of people interested in me checking out the Oregon manufacturer. I will try to swing by their premises on Monday the 31st, check out their product and any color options and probably take a punt on them. Bear in mind that manufacturing lead time is one week and then factor in any money handling we have to do and shipping time. Cost for me in bulk will be $3 and that's the cost I'd passing on - no more and no less. ;)

Then I'll take them home and give them a trial run. If I'm satisfied, I'll feel justified in selling them on to anyone at cost. If not, I'll swallow the investment and cry myself to sleep. :D

So, Oregonians and others who have expressed interest... do we have a consensus on diameter, thickness and color?

I'm almost positive that they only provide tan, but I'm guessing black then red would be preferred. Is tan a deal breaker for anyone?

I'm leaning towards 7" diameter for a tight fit if they're cleanly cut with a professional tool. I'm also aiming at 1/8" inch thick for improved muting, but if it's too deep for good looks and striking response I can go down to 3/16". Any further comments on best dimensions?

[xhonzi]

1/8 is the same as 2/16 which is thinner than 3/16. ;)

xhonzi

[dagware]

Dan, what we are order is Gum Rubber, I just got mine from my UPS guy and I will be installing them tonight when I get home from work. The standard diameter is 7", now in regards to the thickness, everyone is getting them different. The two most common one are 1/8 inch thick or 3/16 inch thickness. Just difference prefernce, nothing different, they aboth work well from what everyone who has tthem. So its your choice!

I understood that (thanks anyway, though!) I was trying to ask Aerek what part number, or whatever, to ask for when contacting the vendor he posted the link to. I was thinking I needed to know more than "I want some gum rubber" of a certain diameter and thickness. Perhaps that is all I really need to ask for, but it sounds silly when I say it out loud. I'd much rather say I want part # 1234 in such-and-such dimensions.

I guess I'm just afraid of sounding stoopid (too late).

Dan

[Parodygm]

1/8 is the same as 2/16 which is thinner than 3/16. ;)

xhonzi

*hangs head in shame* It's definitely time for me to go home. :D

[Viserys]

Okay, there seems to be a decent number of people interested in me checking out the Oregon manufacturer. ... If I'm satisfied, I'll feel justified in selling them on to anyone at cost.

I'd definitely be interested in taking some off your hands if they work out well - any limitations on where you'd be willing to ship?

[nutopian]

Yep.. I also ordered the gum pads from the Indiana website. I called the 800 number and they were happy to deal with me. Cant wait fer the order to arrive. PS I live in FL.

[tsl141]

Okay, there seems to be a decent number of people interested in me checking out the Oregon manufacturer. I will try to swing by their premises on Monday the 31st, check out their product and any color options and probably take a punt on them. Bear in mind that manufacturing lead time is one week and then factor in any money handling we have to do and shipping time. Cost for me in bulk will be $3 and that's the cost I'd passing on - no more and no less. ;)

Then I'll take them home and give them a trial run. If I'm satisfied, I'll feel justified in selling them on to anyone at cost. If not, I'll swallow the investment and cry myself to sleep. :D

So, Oregonians and others who have expressed interest... do we have a consensus on diameter, thickness and color?

I'm almost positive that they only provide tan, but I'm guessing black then red would be preferred. Is tan a deal breaker for anyone?

I'm leaning towards 7" diameter for a tight fit if they're cleanly cut with a professional tool. I'm also aiming at 1/8" inch thick for improved muting, but if it's too deep for good looks and striking response I can go down to 3/16". Any further comments on best dimensions?

I'm interested as well, but I am from Michigan. I would be willing to cover all costs if you are willing to ship them. I want to try them out, but I can't find a company that's close to me. I'd rather have the color rings showing, with 3/16" though. :) It's not like you really see the rings anyways, so the size doesn't matter that much.

[Jingo]

Finally got my pads today and I can say I am extremely happy.

1/8" Neoprene Rubber (40 durometer, If you use 3/16" the pad will stick up above the plastic edge)
7" Cut (Fits perfect)
Monroe, MI

You can get the neoprene rubber in black if needed and the durometer(hardness) can be ordered to your preference, gum rubber is 40 durometer and that is what I ordered for the neoprene pads. I tested out a 1/2" gum rubber pad on my RB drums and have found no difference in rebound. In fact the neoprene holds up better because there are no recognizable wear marks or rubber crumbs present after drumming. Several people on here have mentioned the wear of the gum rubber and that is a definite concern for extended use. I highly recommend these to anyone that can lay hands on them.

[Frederf]

As far as securing the rubber to the pads, has anyone attempted a "clamp" method? I imagine 3 binder clips around the edge would do well to hold the rubber in place while not involving any adhesive.

As far as adhesives go, doesn't 3M make a contact adhesive akin to the sticky on Post-Its? Where it would stick but always be peelable/cleanable.

Another idea is to get your pads with "ears" that hook onto nubs around the edges of the pad.

[TuRDMaN]

Hey Parodygm, if you end up getting a bunch of rubber pads, I'd definitely be interested in buying a set from you. I am in Canada, but I'd be more than happy to cover the shipping cost of course. PM me anytime.

[hobbsman16]

Parodygym, I will gladly buy a set off of you. I am up in WA, and cant find any suppliers that are local.

[carramrod]

yeah Parodygm, ill buy a set off you too. i live 20 minutes away from beaverton.

[sa_nick]

yeah Parodygm, ill buy a set off you too. i live 20 minutes away from beaverton.

Beaverton!??! Man, that place sounds awesome.

[whittibo]

Parodygm and others.... look at this post
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18576

People can get them now, and Parodygm does not take the risk of having to sell all of them, and the headaches of trying to collect money from everyone. Let a company that is used to doing that, do it!

dagware, if you use the link above, and call Industrial Rubber, just tell them you want the Rock Band drum pads. They will know what you want. You will have your choice of diameter, thickness and color. (tan or red)

Frederf, others have posted to use double stick tape. They have a removable one and a permanent one. It's been suggested to use the removable one.

[Galen388]

just got off the phone with the guys at dunham rubber and they are thinking about marketing a package of 4 pads pre-cut lol. I guess alot of ppl called them.
They ship anywhere in the US and have no problem making 6 7/8" x 1/8" pads.
but they dont open again until monday Booooo.

[cleee]

I don't think a video is going to prove anything other than the fact that they're more silent. It's just something you have to play on yourself to really appreciate

Well, I for one am not willing to shell out more money until I can see it's worth it. I have limited funds to spend on a "drum quieting solution." People are raving about the foam/felt solution being hawked on this forum and after watching their own comparison video on youtube, and actually hearing one live (my friend made a set of them using the same materials) it hardly quells the noise at all. It sure looks cool, but it's not very functional.

It's really annoying when people say "I'll post a video...." and then you wade through 18 pages looking for a link that isn't there.

Is it really that much trouble to post a 15 second clip of how the drums sound with this modification? As I said, I have limited funds to spend on a solution and don't want to waste money on something that will not work for me.

[dagware]

dagware, if you use the link above, and call Industrial Rubber, just tell them you want the Rock Band drum pads. They will know what you want. You will have your choice of diameter, thickness and color. (tan or red)

Thanks! I don't know why I was afraid to look foolish, but I was. Thanks for the info.

Dan

[whittibo]

Well nobody wants to look foolish. LOL

I called yesterday and was just babbling about what I was looking for, but JT is a really great guy and we talked for a long time and he is ready and willing to help out all RockBanders that want this mod.

The way I understand it JT is the current owners son and will be taking over the business soon when his father retires. I am glad he is an enterprising young guy who is willing to step out of his box of what the company makes, and make something that someone wants. I emailed another company first and got a short sweet "not a large enough quantity for us" reply. What a mistake for them! Now JT will get all the business. :)

[dagware]

I called yesterday and was just babbling about what I was looking for

My wife's really good at this, but I just have a hard time doing it. Something must have happened when I was a kid to scar me for life. :(


I emailed another company first and got a short sweet "not a large enough quantity for us" reply. What a mistake for them!

Well, sometimes I understand this attitude. I mean, how much profit per order is he going to get? It would probably take a lot of somebody's time for a small amount of money -- perhaps time that could be better spent elsewhere?

Don't get me wrong -- I'm thrilled that someone's willing to do it. But I can understand the other attitude also -- it may or may not be a mistake, but I can at least understand it.

Thanks again!

Dan

[whittibo]

Well I know my babbling took up his time, so that's why I created the other thread to streamline things. This way people can just know from the start who to call, what to ask for, how much it is instead of wasting their own time calling around.

Not sure what his profit is on these, but he is willing to invest in a die cutter and the roll of red for us, so he must be making money otherwise he wouldn't take that chance.

Others here could have found them cheap and sold them for profit which is fine since they have an investment to make, I have been in direct sales for a couple years, buying things to sell, and I have not had the best luck, usually spent WAY more then I sold. So I thought, why not just go directly to the cow for the milk. :)

I didn't do anything to find these, just read this LONG thread and took others advice and passed it along in a little easier version for both the buyer and the seller.

[White_Rider]

Well, I got a sheet of gum rubber from mcmaster.com yesterday and it looks like it will work just fine. However, I didn't realize how tough this stuff is to cut! I thought I might get away with using a template and cutting it with a razor knife but that definitely isn't going to work because the rubber is too strong! LOL.

Any suggestions (other than getting it professionally cut somewhere) for cutting circles out of my sheet of gum rubber?

[tsl141]

Finally got my pads today and I can say I am extremely happy.

1/8" Neoprene Rubber (40 durometer, If you use 3/16" the pad will stick up above the plastic edge)
7" Cut (Fits perfect)
Monroe, MI

You can get the neoprene rubber in black if needed and the durometer(hardness) can be ordered to your preference, gum rubber is 40 durometer and that is what I ordered for the neoprene pads. I tested out a 1/2" gum rubber pad on my RB drums and have found no difference in rebound. In fact the neoprene holds up better because there are no recognizable wear marks or rubber crumbs present after drumming. Several people on here have mentioned the wear of the gum rubber and that is a definite concern for extended use. I highly recommend these to anyone that can lay hands on them.

Any chance they ship? I'm from Fenton, and that's quite a drive. :( I do prefer the black over the red/tan.

[Jingo]

Any chance they ship? I'm from Fenton, and that's quite a drive. :( I do prefer the black over the red/tan.

Tsl141:
I can pick them up for you and ship them if needed. Not sure if you are ever near downton Detroit or can drive to Waterford.(looking for an excuse to visit a friend) Here is the info for the shop, order 8 pads of black and I will purchase the other 4. Be sure to stress black for the color, I did and still received tan. (they gave me a 1$ off per disc for it).

Monroe Rubber & Supply Co.
Contact: Jamie
877-640-6996
Black Neoprene rubber 1/8" thickness, 40 durometer
7" circle cut
6.75 per pad (approx)
I played on the pads all day today and show no signs of wear marks or rubber crumbs like the gum rubber displayed. If any one wants these pads use the info above and either have them ship if they offer it or let me know and I will pick them up and ship to you. Just pay for the shipping :)

[McPostal]

Well, I got a sheet of gum rubber from mcmaster.com yesterday and it looks like it will work just fine. However, I didn't realize how tough this stuff is to cut! I thought I might get away with using a template and cutting it with a razor knife but that definitely isn't going to work because the rubber is too strong! LOL.

Any suggestions (other than getting it professionally cut somewhere) for cutting circles out of my sheet of gum rubber?

I had the same sheets with the same problem (my first disk looks pretty ragged).
What worked best for me was starting with the circle cutter I bought for the felt rubber mod. That got me about halfway through, then I finished the cut with a razor knife. Finishing with kitchen scissors worked too but not quite as well.

By the way, this is my favorite solution. I've tried the felt and foam and then drum mutes. The drum mutes was the most quiet mod I tried but the gum rubber feels much better and isn't that much louder.

I also took the colored felt from the first mod and cut out rings to stick to the outer plastic rims of the drums to designate the proper color for each pad. It came out ok unless you look real close. I'm thinking about trying something like pin striping tape.

[sparky7474]

Ok Guys have had the rubber for some time now, but I still don't have a diffinitive answer in regards to what to use to adhere the gum rubber to the drum kit! I tried Masking tape, (that was a joke) I tried double sided tape, held through 4 songs and gave out on me. So can you guess tell me what you guys are using, what might be the best resolution!

Thanks!

[WeAreDevo]

I adhered my foam rubber/felt with rubber cement and it worked perfectly. It peels off even with no damage to either the rock band controller or the foam rubber, so I suspect it would work well for gum rubber too.

I'll wait a week to see how this all pans out and then try it myself.

[whittibo]

The reason the guy at Industrial Rubber bought the die cutter for 6- 7/8" is because it's too hard to cut and get a perfect circle. So if you look at the link in my signature line, it takes to you to a thread about where to get perfectly cut gum rubber circles. :)

As for adhering them.. you might want to try carpet tape. It's double sided but WAY more sticky then double stick tape. I have some here that I intend to try when I get my pads next week.

Sparky, did you get the 3/16" or the 1/8" thickness? I have 3/16" on order but might call tomorrow and change it to 1/8"... still debating.

[maxx77]

Finally got my pads today and I can say I am extremely happy.

1/8" Neoprene Rubber (40 durometer, If you use 3/16" the pad will stick up above the plastic edge)
7" Cut (Fits perfect)
Monroe, MI

I'm sure it's buried in this thread somewhere, but what's the contact info for the place you ordered yours from? I've gotten requests from my friends to order them some gum rubber pads like I have, but I'd like to try some alternatives to see what really works best. Neoprene sounds like it might be a better solution.

*edit*

I just checked the www.dunhamrubber.com site where I got my gum rubber pads from. They have black Neoprene, but only in 60 (+/-5) durometer.

*extra edit*

From what I can tell by searching on Google, gum rubber is natural rubber (probably why it's usually only available in tan), while neoprene is synthetic, and is available in several colors. A wetsuit is a well known product that's made from neoprene. [/end science lesson]

[rphtx]

So got the rubber pads pretty quick in the mail. They gave me a HUGE sheet and it was more than I ordered so I have enough for 4 or 5 more kits worth.

I used a round weight from a weightlifting set to draw circles and cut them out with normal scissors. They covered all but the colored rings on the original pads. I simply didn't want to jack around with adhesive or tapes, so I just super glued the rubber pads on...took 30 seconds and worked great.

We got the 3/16" thickness. Really makes a huge difference in how loud the pads are. My wife was driving me crazy with all the noise and it's so much better now. She says they feel much nicer and likes the bounce and is generally stoked about the modification.

[whittibo]

rphtx, does the 3/16" thickness stand up over the ring?

[mrloofer]

Video anyone?

[bauermj]

Does anyone else feel like they have sensor issues? On static beats that remain constant, I will occasionally just miss a note and end my streak. It just happens at random spots and its not like the song is changing or I'm doing anything incorrect. It is definitely different then when I mess up a transition or am not synching directly with the bass pedal.

[jello]

Does anyone else feel like they have sensor issues? On static beats that remain constant, I will occasionally just miss a note and end my streak. It just happens at random spots and its not like the song is changing or I'm doing anything incorrect. It is definitely different then when I mess up a transition or am not synching directly with the bass pedal.

(Dunno if this is really the best thread for this but) Yeah, i've been noticing that problem a lot as well. Just sitting in the middle of a hat-snare-hat-snare run and a hit doesn't register.

jello.
aka aron.

[sparky7474]

The reason the guy at Industrial Rubber bought the die cutter for 6- 7/8" is because it's too hard to cut and get a perfect circle. So if you look at the link in my signature line, it takes to you to a thread about where to get perfectly cut gum rubber circles. :)

As for adhering them.. you might want to try carpet tape. It's double sided but WAY more sticky then double stick tape. I have some here that I intend to try when I get my pads next week.

Sparky, did you get the 3/16" or the 1/8" thickness? I have 3/16" on order but might call tomorrow and change it to 1/8"... still debating.


I got the 1/8" To me it seems to work great, hopeful I can pck up some adhesive so I can hold them down better!

[maxx77]

Does anyone else feel like they have sensor issues? On static beats that remain constant, I will occasionally just miss a note and end my streak. It just happens at random spots and its not like the song is changing or I'm doing anything incorrect. It is definitely different then when I mess up a transition or am not synching directly with the bass pedal.

Yeah, this isn't the thread for that issue. There are other threads that tackle exactly this. The problem is with the red and green pads usually. Given that there are no supports under them, they don't always register a hit. I'll save you the trouble of digging through the other threads and give you two solutions to this (one of which really is related to this thread).

Easiest solution: tape the pads down. Use a strong tape, maybe duct tape is going a little too far, but something along those lines. Put no less than 3 pieces of tape on the edges of the pads you're having trouble with. Wrap the tape around the pad and the back of the plastic. Essentially what you're doing is compressing the pads so that they're closer to the sensors. That way you don't have to hit them as hard for them to register. They may pick up vibrations from the other pads though if you compress them too much.

The other solution: get some rubber pads. I was having trouble getting the red and green pads to always register with the default, unmodded configuration. Since adding gum rubber pads, I'm rarely experiencing that problem. I don't know if it's because the extra rebound allows me to hit the pads harder or if the extra rubber is naturally weighing the pads down, but it's been a non-issue since I modded my kit.

You could, of course, go with both solutions. I thought of doing that when I ordered my gum rubber pads, but since I've stuck them to my drums, I haven't needed to tape the pads down.

[ckovanda]

Video anyone?
looks like videos are starting to pop up for this mod...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-06ky1cO-Tc

[sparky7474]

See i have been missing a lot of notes peobably since they sit high, so I guess i need to get some tape. I also saw people using rubber cement to hold down the pads, and that the rubber cement comes off when you need it to, so thats a plus aswell. Now I know what I need to do

Thanks again everyone!

[rockinjaygee]

Anyone know where I can find Rubber Cement for sale in Canada? Would Wal-mart have it or any of the Rubber Gasket company?

[letxtc]

Anyone know where I can find Rubber Cement for sale in Canada? Would Wal-mart have it or any of the Rubber Gasket company?

any craft store should have it. You will also find it in the glue section of hardware places like Home Depot and Rona. I tried the gum rubber pads and rubber cement and found that after a good bashing one of the pads fell off. I am now using double sided tape and find it is holding very well. might take a bit more work to remove and clean up but it is doing a good job of holding. double sided tape can also be found in the hardware stores sometimes it is referred to as mounting tape. look at the packaging and you will see double sided tape in the description. My best advise would to pick up both and try them out. they are cheap and will save you time and gas running out if a pad should fall off after a session.

[whittibo]

Carpet tape is double sided and a LOT stronger then regular Scotch tape. I have some here and intend to try it first when I get our pads.

[rockinjaygee]

any craft store should have it. You will also find it in the glue section of hardware places like Home Depot and Rona. I tried the gum rubber pads and rubber cement and found that after a good bashing one of the pads fell off. I am now using double sided tape and find it is holding very well. might take a bit more work to remove and clean up but it is doing a good job of holding. double sided tape can also be found in the hardware stores sometimes it is referred to as mounting tape. look at the packaging and you will see double sided tape in the description. My best advise would to pick up both and try them out. they are cheap and will save you time and gas running out if a pad should fall off after a session.


Thanks for this info letxtc.. did you get your gum rubber pads at hardware stores Home depot or Rona?

[whittibo]

Thanks for this info letxtc.. did you get your gum rubber pads at hardware stores Home depot or Rona?

I don't think you can get gum rubber at any of those stores, that's why we have been posting places to get it or how to find it in your areas. I think those stores were suggested to find rubber cement.

As an added note, you might have to be 18 to buy rubber cement. I vaguely remember the last time I bought it, something popped up on the screen for the checker to make sure I was over 18. Same with Sharpies. :s

[rockinjaygee]

I don't think you can get gum rubber at any of those stores, that's why we have been posting places to get it or how to find it in your areas. I think those stores were suggested to find rubber cement.

As an added note, you might have to be 18 to buy rubber cement. I vaguely remember the last time I bought it, something popped up on the screen for the checker to make sure I was over 18. Same with Sharpies. :s


Ok. Just asking if it is.. I'm 26 so I should be able to buy cement of any kind.

[bolistik]

has anyone orderd the gum rubber from JT in RED? If so, can you tell us if it seems harder than the tan? I read a posts here that the red gum rubber would be a harder surface than the natural tan. CAn anyone verify this?

[letxtc]

Thanks for this info letxtc.. did you get your gum rubber pads at hardware stores Home depot or Rona?

whittibo is correct those hardware stores were just for rubber cement.

I live in the Toronto area and just did a google search for rubber gaskets in the area. I found a few places and called them up for a quote. Remember to tell them there is no inside diameter as you are looking for disks of gum rubber rather than their normal gaskets. Plus I would also have to confirm with them that I was looking for a circle even after I mentioned an outside diameter. Also confirm that they are doing it on the machine. One guy mentioned to me that he was going to do it by hand and that there would be a small pin hole in the center.

I did the 3/16 thick with the 6 7/8 outside diameter. Also I am not sure if gum rubber comes in different bounce measurements but 40 durometer seems to be a standard and I saw it on the scorehero forums so I went with it. Good bounce and a huge difference in the sound.

You will want to shop around as the price variance can be great from one place to another. I found them ranging from 12bux to 8.50 per disk. Also confirm the availability of the gum rubber. Most places did not have it on hand due to the thickness request and had to have it delivered in for cutting witch was adding another day or seven to my order. I went with the 8.50 as he would have it for me same day.

As for the rubber cement vs double sided tape. I find the tape to be holding much better than the rubber cement. I tried the glue with sparse and generous applications and had mixed results. With the tape I applied about 14 small squares to get an even holding on the pad. Is working like a charm.

When I was playing with the rubber cement I had one pad that would refuse to hold. I think there was a slight curve to the pad and the rubber cement would not take hold at all. No matter how long I had it depressed for setting. I tried this maybe 6 times with each time taking me easily 20min rubbing the old rubber cement off to get a new application on. I flipped that pad over to use the other side after noticing the bend and it went on right away. It just did not stay there after a good bashing. Long live double sided tape ;)

[bill55]

Tsl141:
I can pick them up for you and ship them if needed. Not sure if you are ever near downton Detroit or can drive to Waterford.(looking for an excuse to visit a friend) Here is the info for the shop, order 8 pads of black and I will purchase the other 4. Be sure to stress black for the color, I did and still received tan. (they gave me a 1$ off per disc for it).

Monroe Rubber & Supply Co.
Contact: Jamie
877-640-6996
Black Neoprene rubber 1/8" thickness, 40 durometer
7" circle cut
6.75 per pad (approx)
I played on the pads all day today and show no signs of wear marks or rubber crumbs like the gum rubber displayed. If any one wants these pads use the info above and either have them ship if they offer it or let me know and I will pick them up and ship to you. Just pay for the shipping :)

I am going to call them on Wednesday and see if they will ship me a set or 2. (They're closed today and Tuesday). Has anyone found out of they will ship these or not?

Jingo: If I can't get them shipped could I pay you to get them and ship them to me? I'll pay you for the trouble if need be. I'd really like to get these!

Thanks!
Bill

[AtomicXbox]

any craft store should have it. You will also find it in the glue section of hardware places like Home Depot and Rona. I tried the gum rubber pads and rubber cement and found that after a good bashing one of the pads fell off. I am now using double sided tape and find it is holding very well. might take a bit more work to remove and clean up but it is doing a good job of holding. double sided tape can also be found in the hardware stores sometimes it is referred to as mounting tape. look at the packaging and you will see double sided tape in the description. My best advise would to pick up both and try them out. they are cheap and will save you time and gas running out if a pad should fall off after a session.

I'm using "household Goop" to hold my pads down. I got it from Canadian Tire. Home Hardware has it too. I put a couple books on the pads for a couple hours while the goop dried and they seem to be holding up well. The first time I tried, i didn't let the goop on one of the pads dry long enough and it ended up coming off mid session. The old goop peels of easily with no residue left behind. When the pad came off though, that's when I really noticed how much of a difference they make. The unrubbered drum pad is SOOO loud in comparison.

Anyhow, as long as you let it dry for enough time, they should hold. But, that said, I think if they ever let go again, I'll try the double sided tape method.

Btw, I got my gum rubber from a place called Hydra Silica here in Ottawa. Got a sheet big enough for 8 pads for $32. It was actualy 3/32" though. I just used a 7" pot lit to trace a circle on the gum rubber sheet and cut them by hand with heavy duty scissors. They turned out really good, but I'm also pretty crafty. I'm going to sell the other 4 to my bud.

[bolistik]

As for the rubber cement vs double sided tape. I find the tape to be holding much better than the rubber cement. I tried the glue with sparse and generous applications and had mixed results. With the tape I applied about 14 small squares to get an even holding on the pad. Is working like a charm.


for double sided tape, are you guys using Scotch tape or 3M tape?

[whittibo]

has anyone orderd the gum rubber from JT in RED? If so, can you tell us if it seems harder than the tan? I read a posts here that the red gum rubber would be a harder surface than the natural tan. CAn anyone verify this?

JT won't get his red in stock till Wednesday, so nobody has gotten any from him yet. I vaguely remember him telling me it was a different durometer but I have to confirm that Wednesday.

Remember folks, you don't have to find a local place, look at the link in my signature line, JT will ship anywhere in the US and I am going to confirm Wednesday if he can ship outside of the US.

[letxtc]

for double sided tape, are you guys using Scotch tape or 3M tape?

Mine was just some no name stuff. I wanted the 3m as I was hearing people using it but it was not available at the hardware store. Mine was generic mounting tape. Be cautious though as there is a regular style and a kitchen/bathroom style. The reg style was just like regular packing tape while the bathroom stuff was foamy and squishy to the touch. easily identifiable.

[Talus]

I'm looking to find a place to make these for me in the Hamilton, Ontario area .. anybody from around here have any info?

[Jingo]

Bill:
No worries on the shipping, I can pick them up and ship them to you.

Whittibo:
Be very cautious about the durometer, 40 is what you want and if you go any higher you will get hard rubber and vice versa going lower in number. It might be more durable but you will sacrifice rebound if the durometer is different. Check it out.

[rockinjaygee]

Bill:
No worries on the shipping, I can pick them up and ship them to you.

Whittibo:
Be very cautious about the durometer, 40 is what you want and if you go any higher you will get hard rubber and vice versa going lower in number. It might be more durable but you will sacrifice rebound if the durometer is different. Check it out.

Jingo,

Can you ship to Canada? I'll pay you through Paypal. Are these pre-cut and ready to stick on my drums or are they sheets of gum rubber materials?

Thanks,

[bill55]

Bill:
No worries on the shipping, I can pick them up and ship them to you.

Whittibo:
Be very cautious about the durometer, 40 is what you want and if you go any higher you will get hard rubber and vice versa going lower in number. It might be more durable but you will sacrifice rebound if the durometer is different. Check it out.

Thanks a ton! That's extremely generous of you! I will let you know Wednesday when I call if they will ship directly to me or not. If they will not ship should I put them under your name or something? If you want feel free to email me at haydenb@adelphia.net and we can make arrangements. I'll need your email address to paypal you the money in advance. I couldn't find a way to PM you via the forum.

Thanks!
Bill

[ArchaeoJohn]

Me too, unless someone's found something cheap and local to Denver/Boulder area...

xhonzi

I just placed an order with this shop in Denver:

http://www.rubberinc.com/

The guy is very nice, and he will have them ready in 1 hour!

The price is $15 for four pads (1/8" thick)

[DoctorAwkward]

I just placed an order with this shop in Denver:

http://www.rubberinc.com/

The guy is very nice, and he will have them ready in 1 hour!

The price is $15 for four pads (1/8" thick)

THANKS! Another Denver vendor wanted 10 bucks a pad. I'll give this guy a call on Wednesday.

[whittibo]

If you're not local to Denver and have to have them shipped, ask how much shipping is. The link in my signature line, the guy is selling them for $3.60 per pad cut with a die cutter instead of by hand (supposed to be a better cut) has tan for that price or red for slightly more. But there is shipping. To me it was like $7 and I am in zone 8 from him. (CA to far Eastern TN) so I don't think shipping will be any MORE then that, except maybe to Canada if he is able to ship internationally. Just another option maybe.

[raregamer]

When I get a chance I deff need try out this mod. The rebound really is horrible.

[sparky7474]

has anyone orderd the gum rubber from JT in RED? If so, can you tell us if it seems harder than the tan? I read a posts here that the red gum rubber would be a harder surface than the natural tan. CAn anyone verify this?

I bought some, but he didn't have any any so I am waiting for it to come in, Ill let you know as soon as I get it.

Inregards to the rubber cement, I have to agree, after a few good songs that i was jamming to, one of my pads started ot fall off, so I think I am going to go with the double sides tape, maybe the carpet tape I will try, Ill let you gys know!

[Jingo]

Bill, Rockin jay, Tsl:
You should be able to pay by CC over the phone. If this will not do, we can make one lump sum order and go that route. I will be able to ship to guys no problem. My assumption is that you want black, is this correct? It may take a week to get the black in since it will have to be specially ordered to get the rubber made to our specs. Let me know if that is ok. Be easy on your drums till then, I broke my yellow pad before christmas and finally got my new set in today.

[Glaurung]

Monroe Rubber & Supply Co.
Contact: Jamie
877-640-6996
Black Neoprene rubber 1/8" thickness, 40 durometer
7" circle cut
6.75 per pad (approx)
I played on the pads all day today and show no signs of wear marks or rubber crumbs like the gum rubber displayed. If any one wants these pads use the info above and either have them ship if they offer it or let me know and I will pick them up and ship to you. Just pay for the shipping :)
I don't live anywhere near there, but I'd love to get some 7" black pads, Jingo - that's mainly the reason I haven't bought any that people are selling on eBay and all yet, they're mostly natural rubber color.

So I should just be able to call them up, pay over the phone and get it ordered, right? If there's some sort of quantity requirement since the black has to be special ordered then we might have to place a lump sum order anyway. Just let me know... I'll probably be calling them Wednesday if I can just order them myself.

[Jingo]

Glaurung:
No limit on what the order should be. I just called and worked with them to get the exact specs I wanted. I do think we should pool our order so they have an approx. number to get a feel for the rubber they should order.

[Netska8r]

I found some vulcanized rubber I had lying around which just happened to be 1/8" thickness. It's essentially recycled car tires. We use the rubber mats at work to protect roof tops from antenna mounts.

I don't know about the durometer or how a drumstick should bounce off a pad...but my Son has no problem with it and it deaden's the sound. When I play the drums, We have to turn up the volume so I can hear it over the noise...this rubber makes it much more tolerable.

Here are some pics. I hope they are not too large. I cut it by hand and used 2 sided carpet tape to hold them down. The circles are not perfect...but who cares...they are intended to be beat on.

The Rubber Mat I had

http://www3.sympatico.ca/w.hobbs/Rubber.jpg


Just a closeup showing texture
http://www3.sympatico.ca/w.hobbs/Rubber_Up-Close.jpg

Rubber installed
http://www3.sympatico.ca/w.hobbs/Drum_Pad_Mods.jpg

BTW, why is this site so slow? It is taking me a long time to load a page.

[Daudr]

It's like my text is transparent or something. I post a place where they can be ordered from and the very next post is "hey where do I can get these from?" :rolleyes:

Dunhmanrubber, for those thinking of hitting that place up, is in Indianapolis, IN. I think they'll ship anywhere though. No reason why they wouldn't.

What part number did you use? I don't really see exactly what I'm looking for on their site.

[jpb1977]

Jingo - I live across the river in Windsor, and am very interested in getting a set of the black rubber pads. Can you PM me?

THANKS!

jpb

[Fudily]

Jingo- I'd definitely like a couple sets of these (Black 7'' (if the 7'' is perfectly cut and not too big for the drums) by 1/8th'') if we're doing a bulk order kind of thing.
I'd be willing to pay you for your troubles of shipping them to Washington if they don't do it.

[maxx77]

What part number did you use? I don't really see exactly what I'm looking for on their site.

This is the item number for what I ordered:

Item # 3/16X36-GUM

You can call them at 1-800-876-5340 to place the order. If you tell them it's for the Rock Band drums, they'll probably know exactly what you want. I specified that I wanted 7" diameter, and they wound up being sized perfectly. You can ask for slightly smaller though if you want to see the colored rings.

Likewise, if 3/16" is too thick, you can order the 1/8" instead, which is a tiny bit thinner. That would be item:

Item # 1/8X36-GUM

Also keep in mind that they only offer tan. The site shows a stock photo of three rolls of rubber, each one a different color. The tan roll represents what you're actually ordering.

[bill55]

Bill, Rockin jay, Tsl:
You should be able to pay by CC over the phone. If this will not do, we can make one lump sum order and go that route. I will be able to ship to guys no problem. My assumption is that you want black, is this correct? It may take a week to get the black in since it will have to be specially ordered to get the rubber made to our specs. Let me know if that is ok. Be easy on your drums till then, I broke my yellow pad before christmas and finally got my new set in today.

I am going to call on Wednesday. Hopefully they'll just ship them so we can all save you the trouble of sending them to each of us. If they won't I'll just pay with a credit card and you can pick them up then. Thanks a ton for offering to do this!!!

I do want black even if it takes an extra week or whatever. I'm going to order 7" and 1/8" thickness. 40 dorumeter correct? Black neoprene.

Bill

[xhonzi]

I just placed an order with this shop in Denver:

http://www.rubberinc.com/

The guy is very nice, and he will have them ready in 1 hour!

The price is $15 for four pads (1/8" thick)

Sweet, thanks. Where in Denver is he? I didn't see an address on the site?

xhonzi

[bolistik]

i just order my pads from JT in Industrial Rubber (909)383 2316. He said they can get them in BLACK if you request it, But ill cost extra.

My order
quantity: 5
Size: 6 7/8" x 1/8"
color: RED
durometer: 40
total price: $27 with shipping

Before ordering from Industrial Rubber, i called RubberInc.com and the guy gave me an estimate for shipping, $15. My total would of came out to about $35 for (4) tan color pads.

[bill55]

Bill, Rockin jay, Tsl:
You should be able to pay by CC over the phone. If this will not do, we can make one lump sum order and go that route. I will be able to ship to guys no problem. My assumption is that you want black, is this correct? It may take a week to get the black in since it will have to be specially ordered to get the rubber made to our specs. Let me know if that is ok. Be easy on your drums till then, I broke my yellow pad before christmas and finally got my new set in today.

Just called them and talked to Jamie a little while ago. Super nice guy and knew exactly what i was calling for. (He said about 6 or 7 people have called already).

They will ship them! Each pad (7", 1/8" thick, 40 durometer, black) was $6.52. there is a $15 shipping fee. That includes incoming shipping because it is not something they don't stock and also includes shipping to me. I have no problem with those prices, personally.

Jingo, thank you VERY much for the offer to ship them! Extremely generous of you, but luckily they do ship so you won't have to be bothered with it.

Bill

[whittibo]

$6.52 EACH and $15 shipping????

Industrial Rubber is (for the red, better pads) only $27 WITH SHIPPING?! You're paying $41.00 for 4 pads??

[bill55]

$6.52 EACH and $15 shipping????

Industrial Rubber is (for the red, better pads) only $27 WITH SHIPPING?! You're paying $41.00 for 4 pads??

This is Neoprene, not rubber.

I actually ordered 2 sets so the shipping was $15 whether I got one or two.

[Tirade]

For those of you in Huntsville, AL you can get them from

Huntsville Rubber and Gasket
4635 Commercial Dr NW
Huntsville, AL 35816
(256) 430-0094

$6.95 each, will take a day or 2 to make em.

[mgd3434]

I got these and they work very well. http://www.rockbanddrumpads.com

[sparky7474]

Ok guys I got some really good news!!!! I just got off the phone with John from Industrial Rubber Company out here in California. First and foremost he wanted me to say thanks to everyone who have been buying product from him. He and his workers are now better informed on actually what we are wanting and why we want them. So I had made the suggestion about getting all the different colors for each color of the drum pad. He will be looking into it today, to get all the different colors.(Red,Yellow,Blue,Green) He is also working on finding some type of cleaning solution, to clean them up before they ship out. He and his guys are working deligently to make sure we get a good product for a low price.

He said he can send them anywhere, so if you are wanting a good price and a good product I would suggest you go through him. I was his first customer who order them from him, so we have had a lot of contact and he has been calling me to get all the details as well. I also gave him the link to this forum, so he can read what everyone is wanting.

Here is some better news than that! He and his guys are working on a double sided adhesive that he will place on each the drum pads. So when you get them, they will already have an adhesive and all you have to do is stick them on the drum. If you dont' want an adhesive on them, you can ask not to apply the adhesive as well, so you can have an option to have them with or without the adhesive. CHEERS!!!!

If you are needing his number it's (909)-383-2316 you can speak with either John (The owner) or his son JT (The new and up coming owner). There business name is Industrial Rubber, in San Bernardino, CA.

[dagware]

I got these and they work very well. http://www.rockbanddrumpads.com

Please read the thread. It explains why we think we'll prefer these to those (if you know what I mean).

Dan

[Jingo]

If you want me to pick them up and ship them I still can. It will save you some coin, thats for sure. Let me know either way.

[rockinjaygee]

If you want me to pick them up and ship them I still can. It will save you some coin, thats for sure. Let me know either way.

Hey Jingo,

If you can please.

Thanks,

[whittibo]

Ok guys I got some really good news!!!! I just got off the phone with John from Industrial Rubber Company out here in California. First and foremost he wanted me to say thanks to everyone who have been buying product from him. He and his workers are now better informed on actually what we are wanting and why we want them. So I had made the suggestion about getting all the different colors for each color of the drum pad. He will be looking into it today, to get all the different colors.(Red,Yellow,Blue,Green) He is also working on finding some type of cleaning solution, to clean them up before they ship out. He and his guys are working deligently to make sure we get a good product for a low price.

He said he can send them anywhere, so if you are wanting a good price and a good product I would suggest you go through him. I was his first customer who order them from him, so we have had a lot of contact and he has been calling me to get all the details as well. I also gave him the link to this forum, so he can read what everyone is wanting.

Here is some better news than that! He and his guys are working on a double sided adhesive that he will place on each the drum pads. So when you get them, they will already have an adhesive and all you have to do is stick them on the drum. If you dont' want an adhesive on them, you can ask not to apply the adhesive as well, so you can have an option to have them with or without the adhesive. CHEERS!!!!

If you are needing his number it's (909)-383-2316 you can speak with either John (The owner) or his son JT (The new and up coming owner). There business name is Industrial Rubber, in San Bernardino, CA.

That's excellent! Thanks Sparky! JT is a great guy to work with and I found him VERY accommodating. I changed my order to the 1/8" after talking to him today and finding out that it will be strong enough to protect my pads AND give me the noise reduction and rebound we're all looking for. Self sticking would be a great idea for these IF they didn't stick so well that it voids our warranty.

[bill55]

If you want me to pick them up and ship them I still can. It will save you some coin, thats for sure. Let me know either way.

No thanks man. I do really appreciate the offer. I'm not going to trouble you to save $5 or $10. THanks so much. I'll let you know what I think of them when they come in.

Have you tried these and also the gum rubber pads everyone is buying? Just wondering how similar they are.

Bill

[sparky7474]

That's excellent! Thanks Sparky! JT is a great guy to work with and I found him VERY accommodating. I changed my order to the 1/8" after talking to him today and finding out that it will be strong enough to protect my pads AND give me the noise reduction and rebound we're all looking for. Self sticking would be a great idea for these IF they didn't stick so well that it voids our warranty.

Yeah I thought so, John, JT's dad called me and to make sure I wanted the red ones still, since he got in the red. I told john about how we want to make sure that we can take off the adhesive, if we have to send back our drum kit, so he is aware of it!

[zell]

Here is some better news than that! He and his guys are working on a double sided adhesive that he will place on each the drum pads. So when you get them, they will already have an adhesive and all you have to do is stick them on the drum. If you dont' want an adhesive on them, you can ask not to apply the adhesive as well, so you can have an option to have them with or without the adhesive. CHEERS!!!! .

Thats really cool. I ordered 2 sets of red pads on friday and have been wondering how I'd stick them to the drums.

[instro2]

Thats really cool. I ordered 2 sets of red pads on friday and have been wondering how I'd stick them to the drums.

I'd consider ordering some but I can't help but feel that its the same person on 3 different accounts advertising the same product.

And also I'm too lazy to search through 40 pages to find shipping costs to Canada. :p

[sparky7474]

I'd consider ordering some but I can't help but feel that its the same person on 3 different accounts advertising the same product.

And also I'm too lazy to search through 40 pages to find shipping costs to Canada. :p

HAHAHA Thats funny... No I am one person who bought from them and so is Whittibo! We are just pleased with the product! I bought some from him about 2 weeks ago and now my red ones are in and I can't wait to get those !

[whittibo]

I'd consider ordering some but I can't help but feel that its the same person on 3 different accounts advertising the same product.

And also I'm too lazy to search through 40 pages to find shipping costs to Canada. :p


I think Sparky is the first one to find this company, and all I did was get some additional info and sum it all up in one thread, the thread that's found in my signature line. Because this thread was so long, I wanted to put all the info in ONE place, in the first post, so people didn't have to wade through it all.

Nobody here is making money off this mod, except of course the company who is making the product, which that's their job. Any one of us could have ordered bulk, saved money and sold them for a profit ourselves, but all I wanted was one company to be able to make these for anyone anywhere and they are VERY accommodating and working to find us the perfect mod for our drums.

Zell, if I were you and wanted the adhesive on yours, I would call them and have them wait to ship out your order till they find an adhesive. I am going to use some carpet tape I already have (it's double sided and VERY sticky/strong) but I am willing to bet your order will go out without an adhesive at this point.

[Jingo]

No thanks man. I do really appreciate the offer. I'm not going to trouble you to save $5 or $10. THanks so much. I'll let you know what I think of them when they come in.

Have you tried these and also the gum rubber pads everyone is buying? Just wondering how similar they are.

Bill

Bll:
I hammered away on the neoprenes for a week now and am extremely pleased with it. I even beat "run to the hills" on hard with them :) I tried a 1/2" gum rubber pad that Jamie gave me while I waited and it was great except for the notice of wear and rubber crumbs from the degradation of the pad. On the neoprenes they look as good as new. This is just me. I even tried a neoprene at 60 durometer and the thing was way too hard of a rubber. 40 is perfect.

[sparky7474]

And also I'm too lazy to search through 40 pages to find shipping costs to Canada. :p

See if this helps out !

http://http://postcalc.usps.gov/

[whittibo]

And also I'm too lazy to search through 40 pages to find shipping costs to Canada. :p

JT was going to look into this. I think the best way is to ship USPS priority mail. Of course it's up to him as to if it's feasible or not. There will be special packing (which I told him was free) and then customs slips to fill out. So I think at this point watch the thread in my signature line and when I find out if he is willing to, and how much it is, then I'll post there.