Lego Rock Band: Can you export every song, and for how much?

[dsan224]

To export 55 out of the 58 Rock Band tracks onto Rock Band 2 it was $4.99. For Lego Rock Band, can you export ALL of the songs onto Rock Band 2? And if you can, how much do you think it will be? If it's cheap and you can export all, I will probably rent it, play it a little, export the songs, then send it back. It's like getting a really really cheap track pack.

[RockerJoe123]

This hasn't even been confirmed by HMX yet. We dont' know.

[Chainedsoulz]

Yes, there has been no official announcement on how many songs can be exported.

[snowman12345]

How the hell do you expect us to know. This game is like 2 months away from release still. Give it time.

[Transbrak]

:rolleyes:

let's all be cheapskates and do this ......:rolleyes:

I expect there to be a one time export like the track packs to curb all the would be clever pirates

[dsan224]

:rolleyes:

let's all be cheapskates and do this ......:rolleyes:

I expect there to be a one time export like the track packs to curb all the would be clever pirates

Hmmm... Well then I SHALL RENT IT FIRST!!! You know I shouldn't have even posted this topic. It will give other people ideas to rent it before me!!!!

[Transbrak]

Hmmm... Well then I SHALL RENT IT FIRST!!! You know I shouldn't have even posted this topic. It will give other people ideas to rent it before me!!!!

You don't have to worry about me, I'm not a thief and like to support good games to encourage them to make more.

[imdwalrus05]

You don't have to worry about me, I'm not a thief and like to support good games to encourage them to make more.

Technically, the export doesn't require you to be exporting YOUR songs. That doesn't excuse the practice, though, and I plan on buying the game (or getting it as a birthday present, since it comes out a few days before mine).

It wouldn't surprise me if the export system was code-based, anyway - like the track packs all are.

[WingsOfSteel]

We couldn't export all of Rock Band 1 because HMX had to re-license everything after the fact when they released Rock Band 2. I bet that going into Lego: Rock Band, they made sure that all bands involved were alright with normal exports, since they knew it would be an issue from the beginning.

I will be very surprised if any songs don't export, but I'd love to know what the export fee is.

[dsan224]

You don't have to worry about me, I'm not a thief and like to support good games to encourage them to make more.

Hey... I bought the RB2 bundle as well as a ton of DLC. I LOVE HARMONIX!!!

[geo2n2]

Technically, the export doesn't require you to be exporting YOUR songs. That doesn't excuse the practice, though, and I plan on buying the game (or getting it as a birthday present, since it comes out a few days before mine).

It wouldn't surprise me if the export system was code-based, anyway - like the track packs all are.

Hm, it would be pretty smart if HMX made it both code-based AND an export fee. Then they'd get new game sales and an export fee to help cover licensing.

Doing just a export key code would make it too easy to just pass around and pay only a tiny amount to export. That couldn't be good for sales of a brand-new release...not to mention it's a pretty crappy way of supporting a company putting out product you love.

I'd be fine with just a manual code though :p You're still buying new that way and supporting the devs.

[ghostofjarjar]

This really didn't need another thread, not confirmed yet, but I hope exportability is more similar to GH's strategy or even better, that way the schmucks that only rent the game to export, can't!

[RealMessiah]

To export 55 out of the 58 Rock Band tracks onto Rock Band 2 it was $4.99. For Lego Rock Band, can you export ALL of the songs onto Rock Band 2? And if you can, how much do you think it will be? If it's cheap and you can export all, I will probably rent it, play it a little, export the songs, then send it back. It's like getting a really really cheap track pack.

Jesus? really? Are these your questions?

And way to describe stealing so nicely. I am guessing each disc comes with one export code...So good luck on getting that via gamefly or something...

[RealMessiah]

Hmmm... Well then I SHALL RENT IT FIRST!!! You know I shouldn't have even posted this topic. It will give other people ideas to rent it before me!!!!

If they are smart, the code will not be shipping with or given with rented games...

[Transbrak]

Hey... I bought the RB2 bundle as well as a ton of DLC. I LOVE HARMONIX!!!

And that excuses you stealing the lego songs how?

[ThePaska]

If you can in fact export the songs to your HD I would assume it would be in the ballpark of the price it was for RB 1 songs, so approx. $5

[DookieMan]

I have a feeling it's a one time code, only because it's like, a new game coming out. With RB1, it was already old, so they could make it without a code. I also think it might be possible to have to pay also. Maybe you put in a code, and to actually use it, you may need to pay a fee, possibly?

[imdwalrus05]

Hm, it would be pretty smart if HMX made it both code-based AND an export fee. Then they'd get new game sales and an export fee to help cover licensing.

Doing just a export key code would make it too easy to just pass around and pay only a tiny amount to export. That couldn't be good for sales of a brand-new release...not to mention it's a pretty crappy way of supporting a company putting out product you love.

I'd be fine with just a manual code though :p You're still buying new that way and supporting the devs.

If it is an export fee and a code together, I'm thinking the fee will be minimal, and the code will only be there to discourage people from rent-'n-rip. Harmonix hasn't gone out of their way to try and screw us over yet, and I doubt that they're going to begin doing it now.

[Skode]

I hope its a one time code method - it means HMX and TT get more money for their efforts. Even as a full price retail game with a small fee perhaps attached to export it will still be value for money and lets face it who now isnt tempted to buy the game JUST to get access to goodness knows how many awesome tracks for Rock Band 2 play afterwords.

The best of it is the setlist actually is awesome now with Queen, Police and Iggy Pop for example on board - with Pink, Sum 41 and Ghostbusters theme all in there i was thinking it a great setlist but a bit childish for me even though thats what the setlist was aiming at but now i think ALL ages can really love this game or failing that love the setlist which they can play on Rock Band 2 instead.

I also now support a Lego Rock Band 2 haha

[elfreako]

I'm guessing a one time code since it's a new title and they want to make their money on actual sales. They'd be pretty dumb to allow people access to the songs for five or ten dollars while the game is in cycle.

It doesn't change much to us. Just like the AC/DC pack, buy it, go home, register the code, sell it back to the store with the disc untouched for like 60% of the price. Barely more expensive than a rental + export key, and pretty much the same amount of trouble.

[T-Hybrid]

Once again, I ask how Sayburr can stand putting all that effort forth to compile info in one thread when nobody's going to bother using it.

You should be ashamed OP.

[Ehfahq]

:rolleyes:

let's all be cheapskates and do this ......:rolleyes:

I expect there to be a one time export like the track packs to curb all the would be clever pirates

:rolleyes:

HMX Devs actually suggested renting RB1 and exporting it into RB2 last year.

No piracy involved. Hop off that high horse.

[cutmaclass]

Ugh. Idiots that were clamoring for LEGO to be exportable are now clamoring to know the price and details before they jump in. No wonder HMX never tells us anything...

[A New Pyro Fool]

Regardless of how much the export cost will be, the game will be substantial enough on its own to warrant the price tag and my interest in it.

I want 8/20 songs already and the setlist isn't even near completion. Pretty good odds if you ask me.

"Never Tell me the Odds." ~ Han Solo

[Kidmitt]

:rolleyes:

HMX Devs actually suggested renting RB1 and exporting it into RB2 last year.

No piracy involved. Hop off that high horse.

Although by that point most people who wanted RB1 already had it, and HMX likely already made about as much money as they could from it. It was old, and RB2 decreased its value substantially.

Lego Rock Band is a brand new, full-valued game. If HMX encouraged renting to export in this case, they would receive horrible returns.

[Ehfahq]

Although by that point most people who wanted RB1 already had it, and HMX likely already made about as much money as they could from it. It was old, and RB2 decreased its value substantially.

Lego Rock Band is a brand new, full-valued game. If HMX encouraged renting to export in this case, they would receive horrible returns.

I think we are getting ahead of ourselves. We dont know how its going to export, yet we have somebody screaming that we are thieves.

Im going to wait. If I can rent and export I will.

[whofan]

To export 55 out of the 58 Rock Band tracks onto Rock Band 2 it was $4.99. For Lego Rock Band, can you export ALL of the songs onto Rock Band 2? And if you can, how much do you think it will be? If it's cheap and you can export all, I will probably rent it, play it a little, export the songs, then send it back. It's like getting a really really cheap track pack.
Translation:

Iz can haz fere s0gns!!111!one11

Iz no supp0rt hamronix.

That is honestly despicable. There's a lot of effort put into these games.

[Ehfahq]

That is honestly despicable.

I got the idea from a HMX dev.

[whofan]

I got the idea from a HMX dev.
For Lego Rock Band? Or RB1?

RB1 is a different animal, because they had made their money off of it by the time RB2 came out and the focus was on profits from RB2, RB1 was an afterthought at that point.

Lego Rock Band is a whole new game, with a tonne of work thrown in. If you do what you are proposing to do, you are not only devaluing the hard work put into it not only by HMX but by TT too, but you are also showing that you do not truly support HMX in their endeavours.

Honestly, even proposing this is disgusting. I can slightly more justify (but only slightly, I still can't totally support it) the Track Packs, because of their nature (most of the money would be made upon DLC release anyways), but for a full-fledged game that has taken countless man-hours to produce, what you are proposing is no better than shoplifting the game.

[aggiesrul8]

Must we devulge into the morality of renting v. owning games to export for the 3,259th time?

[BruceDickinson]

Ugh. Idiots that were clamoring for LEGO to be exportable are now clamoring to know the price and details before they jump in. No wonder HMX never tells us anything...

It's a message board. People have a right to ask, if they get an answer or not is another story. Maybe you should get off your high horse and calm down a little bit.

[whofan]

When the forum is actively promoting it?

Yes, we must, if we just turn our backs to the issue, we're just as guilty as those doing it.

[Ehfahq]

For Lego Rock Band?

I dont know how the Lego game will export.



even proposing this is disgusting.

I got the idea came from a HMX dev.

[whofan]

I dont know how the Lego game will export.




I got the idea came from a HMX dev.
You seem to have missed the bulk of my message, please go back and read it. Return here when you can compose something more than a 9 word response. Preferably something that makes sense.

[Wasch_24]

If Harmonix has issues with export keys that don't require unique ownership of said product who are any of you to judge the morality of it.

If they didn't want it to happen, rent n' rip, they would not have designed it to work that way.

Pretty simple really.

Regarding Lego:RB, since there are other companies involved, TT Games & The Lego Group I am pretty sure they will allow the export one time per game disc per unique owner...just like the track packs and AC/DC. If not, then rent n' rip, as coined earlier in this thread, is perfectly legitimate IMO.

[whofan]

If Harmonix has issues with export keys that don't require unique ownership of said product who are any of you to judge the morality of it.

If they didn't want it to happen, rent n' rip, they would not have designed it to work that way.

Pretty simple really.

Regarding Lego:RB, since there are other companies involved, TT Games & The Lego Group I am pretty sure they will allow the export one time per game disc per unique owner...just like the track packs and AC/DC. If not, then rent n' rip, as coined earlier in this thread, is perfectly legitimate IMO.
Not a bad response, at least it's more intelligent than others in this thread.

However, using that same logic, if retailers didn't want things stolen, couldn't they just design their stores to be more theif-proof?

[Ehfahq]

Wow, you get petty when somebody counters all your points with 2 simple sentences.

It bothers you that it goes against your morals, and the company that you are trying to defend is the one suggesting it.

HMX knows how it works (they suggested it). If they allow a export like we are talking about, we are not devauling the game by doing something THEY ALLOW.

Logic 101.


If Harmonix has issues with export keys that don't require unique ownership of said product who are any of you to judge the morality of it.

If they didn't want it to happen, rent n' rip, they would not have designed it to work that way.

Pretty simple really.



Stop making sense, it confuses people.

[whofan]

Wow, you get petty when somebody counters all your points with 2 simple sentences.

It bothers you that it goes against your morals, and the company that you are trying to defend is the one suggesting it.

HMX knows how it works (they suggested it). If they allow a export like we are talking about, we are not devauling the game by doing something THEY ALLOW.

Logic 101.



Stop making sense, it confuses people.
Legal 101:

When you rent an item, you do not possess any property rights in that item. Thus you do not possess the right to take anything from it.

Do you also support the pirating of DVDs and CDs?

[Ehfahq]

Are you a lawyer?

[kevmaster2000]

Difference being, as pointed out in the above message, that Lego Rock band is a completely new game, so sales would take a dip if it could simply be rented and exported. I doubt that HMX devs would approve of that with a new game. With Rock Band 1, most of the people who were exporting already owned the game, and it wasn't too big a deal for some to rent and export. This is not the same situation.

Which is why it will not be a one-time export fee, it will be a code like the track packs all had.

[xXZeroOverrideXx]

Someone please close this forum.

[Wasch_24]

Not a bad response, at least it's more intelligent than others in this thread.

However, using that same logic, if retailers didn't want things stolen, couldn't they just design their stores to be more theif-proof?
Not quite the same analogy really.

If the export is allowed without proof of ownership via a one time code linked to the profile that redeems it and the disc it is associated to then it is not stealing. Stealing would be somehow bypassing the code that was intended to prevent export without ownership.

When HMX employees design the export to work without ownership and then encourage the same export without ownership here on the forums, talking RB1 here, than no one has to right to accuse anyone of stealing anything because it is not theft...period.

Now, I realize this thread was made in the hopes that someone from HMX would see it and maybe answer the question, which is unlikely, but, if they did answer the question and posted that a purchase was not required and that they developed the exposrt key to specifically allow for export without ownership, would you guys then get off your high horses regarding this supposed "theft"? If you say yes, then lay off because they essentially did that for RB1 and yet people still try and degrade individuals who rented/borrowed RB1 and then exported.

[whofan]

Someone please close this forum.
Agreed.

This thread is going nowhere good quickly, is actively supporting piracy, and will not get the answers sought just yet.

It is, therefore, completely useless.

[whofan]

Not quite the same analogy really.

If the export is allowed without proof of ownership via a one time code linked to the profile that redeems it and the disc it is associated to then it is not stealing. Stealing would be somehow bypassing the code that was intended to prevent export without ownership.

When HMX employees design the export to work without ownership and then encourage the same export without ownership here on the forums, talking RB1 here, than no one has to right to accuse anyone of stealing anything because it is not theft...period.

Now, I realize this thread was made in the hopes that someone from HMX would see it and maybe answer the question, which is unlikely, but, if they did answer the question and posted that a purchase was not required and that they developed the exposrt key to specifically allow for export without ownership, would you guys then get off your high horses regarding this supposed "theft"? If you say yes, then lay off because they essentially did that for RB1 and yet people still try and degrade individuals who rented/borrowed RB1 and then exported.
As I said, I don't really have a problem with RB1, because of the situation. But we're not talking RB1 here, we're talking Lego Rock Band.

I don't care about RB1, it was a different animal, and that's why I'm getting more than a little annoyed when people keep saying "HMX supports it!"

[Wasch_24]

Legal 101:

When you rent an item, you do not possess any property rights in that item. Thus you do not possess the right to take anything from it.

Do you also support the pirating of DVDs and CDs?
Shoot, if you are talking DVDs and CDs then, technically speaking, you never own the content. It is explicitly illegal to rip MP3s and MPEG videos from CDs and DVDs, regardless of whether or not you rented them or bought them.

[Wasch_24]

As I said, I don't really have a problem with RB1, because of the situation. But we're not talking RB1 here, we're talking Lego Rock Band.

I don't care about RB1, it was a different animal, and that's why I'm getting more than a little annoyed when people keep saying "HMX supports it!"
But if they allow export of Lego in the same manner as RB1 how is the exportability now somehow able to be seperated from their condoning of it?

If they don't want people to rent n rip then they won't include an export key that allows it, like RB1.

If they do want people to rent n rip then they will include the exact same type of export key as RB1.

Pretty simple really. It's not like their is some sort of technilogical barrier preventing the use of one type of export over the other, it is a concious choice by HMX.

[Ehfahq]

Shoot, if you are talking DVDs and CDs then, technically speaking, you never own the content. It is explicitly illegal to rip MP3s and MPEG videos from CDs and DVDs, regardless of whether or not you rented them or bought them.

What he completely forgets is that you pay for a license for use of the content from the disc in RB2.

The rental place gets their disc back. You pay for the right to play those songs in RB2.

There is no piracy involved. Just peoples over inflated sense of morality.

[masterantonio]

To export 55 out of the 58 Rock Band tracks onto Rock Band 2 it was $4.99. For Lego Rock Band, can you export ALL of the songs onto Rock Band 2? And if you can, how much do you think it will be? If it's cheap and you can export all, I will probably rent it, play it a little, export the songs, then send it back. It's like getting a really really cheap track pack.

I'm sure there is going to be a code so you can only do it once like the track packs. Still a better deal than buying the dlc separately.

[whofan]

Shoot, if you are talking DVDs and CDs then, technically speaking, you never own the content. It is explicitly illegal to rip MP3s and MPEG videos from CDs and DVDs, regardless of whether or not you rented them or bought them.
And it is the same with Video Games too. Even you export, you don't own that content.

So, tell me, why are DVDs and CDs any different?

[murph]

It is explicitly illegal to rip MP3s and MPEG videos from CDs and DVDs, regardless of whether or not you rented them or bought them.
You've been brainwashed by the RIAA. It's perfectly legal under "fair use". If it were illegal, do you really think Apple would include this feature in iTunes?

[zerofan]

Hey Murph...just posting cause I like your avatar. :D

[Wasch_24]

You've been brainwashed by the RIAA. It's perfectly legal under "fair use". If it were illegal, do you really think Apple would include this feature in iTunes?
You are right, it's only illegal to share or broadcast.

My bad.

Good question Whofan...I have no idea.

[aggiesrul8]

Armchair marketers, programmers, and lawyers getting busy today I see....

;)

[Wasch_24]

Right on.

[Ehfahq]

Armchair marketers, programmers, and lawyers getting busy today I see....

;)

Guilty.

Add armchair judge to that list.

[aggiesrul8]

Guilty.

Add armchair judge to that list.

More like Judge Judy or Judge Brown?? ;)

On the topic of discussion, I would say that most people would pay around $5-$10 (maybe higher??) to export the songs. The higher number would be used if it was not a one time export and all you had to do was insert the disc (similiar to RB1).

[xXZeroOverrideXx]

Guilty.

Add armchair judge to that list.

Would you like some of Larry's cheese with that sir?

[Wasch_24]

I would easily pay $10 to rent n rip.

Although, as someone else mentioned earlier, it might be nice to have the certified kid friendly disc on hand as my 5 and 3 year olds get older.

We'll see.

[Ehfahq]

More like Judge Judy or Judge Brown?? ;)

On the topic of discussion, I would say that most people would pay around $5-$10 (maybe higher??) to export the songs. The higher number would be used if it was not a one time export and all you had to do was insert the disc (similiar to RB1).

More like Judge Milian. Shes pretty hot.

I would pay 10 bucks for sure.

But I honestly think its going to be a one time export. Maybe when RB3 comes out they will update it and add a liscense fee export.

Wishfull thinking.