Official Guitar Hero Discussion Thread!

[sa_nick]

Okay, I couldn't wait any longer. We were planning on making a GH thread, probably started off by toymachineSH, the resident GH guru, but thing's just keep getting crazier here in General and every second thread is about GH.

So here it is! All GH discussion can happen here... everything! It's something I've mentioned starting a couple of times and a few people have responded positively too the idea while some others have just mentioned it themselves.

This thread wont be stickied but I can't imagine it'll fall off the front page, so people should always be able to see it's here. Any GH threads created will either be merged with this one or closed, depending on the circumstance. People won't get banned for posting GH threads though, unless it's a repeat offense done to piss people off.

Rock on y'all.

[bermuddy]

i'm sensing a mod thread merge!

[DemiGodRaven]

If there's a thread merge, this should be epic.

...and incredibly disjointed.

[Ehfahq]

Why are there drums in GUITAR hero?

gosh.

[sa_nick]

If there's a thread merge, this should be epic.

...and incredibly disjointed.

Yeah, that's why i opted to just close the others. Feel free to quote posts from them to keep discussions going here.

[ryan12147]

I hate to say this but there's already one of these I'm pretty sure. Did a mod just make a duplicate thread? :eek:

[HPLabonte]

I will say this here.

Guitar Hero 5 has by far, the best 5 minutes and 21 seconds in all of Rhythm gaming. One Big Holiday, Vocals/Guitar. Holy Shoes.

[Squaretriangles]

Why are there drums in GUITAR hero?

gosh.

Why is there country in ROCK band?

Gosh. Don't worry, I'm just messin' with ya.

[killer_roach]

Why is there country in ROCK band?

Gosh. Don't worry, I'm just messin' with ya.

Hehe... otherwise I'd point out that country is far closer to rock than a drum will ever be to a guitar :)

[Soratar]

i'm sensing a mod thread merge!

I don't think the mods would invest that much time in doing that. :)

[gosox333]

I doubt this'll work. We really do need a GH section in the forums to truly get rid of all the GH clutter.

And by posting this I'm being a hypocrite. Gotta change the sig...

[CrazyIvan]

With the reviews coming in so high for GH5, I just wanted to give kudos to GH for finally getting back on track. I still have absolutely no interest in the game, and really don't like the direction that Neversoft has taken the genre, but I am adult enough to at least give credit where credit is due.

Hopefully this will inspire HMX to really knock our socks off with RB3.

[ylowbstard]

IGN REVIEW for GH5 finally!

8.9/10

"There have been a lot of Guitar Hero games over the past few years. And there will be more yet before this year comes to a close. It's easy to get lost in the flood. But if you're going to grab one, Guitar Hero 5 is a good choice. The accessibility, streamlined presentation, solid note charts, and welcome gameplay improvements make this the best Guitar Hero game in recent memory."

Presentation: 9.0

Graphics: 8.5

Sound: 8.5

Gameplay: 9.0

Lasting Appeal: 9.0

WIN

[sa_nick]

I hate to say this but there's already one of these I'm pretty sure. Did a mod just make a duplicate thread? :eek:

It's quite possible, especially if they did it in the Community Greatest Hits section, which I totally didnt check first.

[Soratar]

IGN REVIEW for GH5 finally!

8.9/10

"There have been a lot of Guitar Hero games over the past few years. And there will be more yet before this year comes to a close. It's easy to get lost in the flood. But if you're going to grab one, Guitar Hero 5 is a good choice. The accessibility, streamlined presentation, solid note charts, and welcome gameplay improvements make this the best Guitar Hero game in recent memory."

Presentation: 9.0

Graphics: 8.5

Sound: 8.5

Gameplay: 9.0

Lasting Appeal: 9.0

WIN

hmm, maybe I'll actually rent this game. :p

[sa_nick]

I doubt this'll work. We really do need a GH section in the forums to truly get rid of all the GH clutter.

I dunno... On every other forum I visit each topic gets one thread and if you wanna talk about it, u talk about it there.

Everytime a site posts a GH review, or someone plays the game for the first time we dont need a brand new thread, that'd be ridiculous (but totally whats already happening).

[ryan12147]

What is a dsicussion thread Nick?

[kiggidykev]

heh oh Nick

[HeyRiles]

I have an idea

We should make a new Guitar Hero subforum, and when you click on the forum, it takes you directly to http://hub.guitarhero.com/community/

I found it especially disturbing in that Corporal Gregg video with THREE Kurts onstage

[gosox333]

I dunno... On every other forum I visit each topic gets one thread and if you wanna talk about it, u talk about it there.

Everytime a site posts a GH review, or someone plays the game for the first time we dont need a brand new thread, that'd be ridiculous (but totally whats already happening).

Well, this'll definitely help the situation, hell, maybe I'm wrong and it'll fix it completely, but I think there's just too much about GH for people to always come to this singular thread and post about it. Eventually, this'll die out and we'll be right where we were this afternoon.

Of course, if you guys drill this "use the GH thread" idea into people's heads hard enough, then it should work. Just be really strict about it.

(And I still need to change my sig...)

[DemiGodRaven]

I have an idea

We should make a new Guitar Hero subforum, and when you click on the forum, it takes you directly to http://hub.guitarhero.com/community/

I found it especially disturbing in that Corporal Gregg video with THREE Kurts onstage

I approve.

[pacifistWITHgun]

There's 10 (ten!) guitar hero topics on the first page...

[logicalnoise]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UuAoEW5MbI

again kurt cobain rotates freely in the grave.

[sa_nick]

What is a dsicussion thread Nick?

Quiet you, it's past 6am down here in Australia, lol

[Renrock]

Yay! The end of 100's of GH threads on the Rock Band forums. :p

[HMXNessur]

I have an idea

We should make a new Guitar Hero subforum, and when you click on the forum, it takes you directly to http://hub.guitarhero.com/community/

I found it especially disturbing in that Corporal Gregg video with THREE Kurts onstage

Oh yes, that hurt me, too.

[bootz0rs]

That Van Halen deal is bull with the mail-in step thing.

[Blurbia]

In case anyone cares but doesn't check the GH forums:http://hub.guitarhero.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=940

They list the songs importable from WT officially and also list the songs that will be importable from Smash Hits coming soon.

Also, something to read into too much is this quote from Neversoft in response to someone asking if only the listed 35 songs from WT will import or if there will be more at a later date:

"We have the technology to do so but we are not making any official announcements about that at this time.

Thanks,
Neversoft"

[Rock_Starman]

Graphics are a huge improvement.
Guitar and bass are slightly better.
Vox are still ass. Worse even. I failed Feel Good Inc. on easy!
Wich of course makes the challenges ass too. It was bad enough I wasn't going to be able to get the drum ones but now I won't be getting the vox or band ones either. Beginner would be solution on vox only they don't let anyone playing on beginner get challenges.
Haven't tried drums yet but I would guess the improvement there is similar to the one on guitar/bass.

I'm up to the Angel's Crypt in career and so far the only song I've hated was the Beastie Boys one though I was disapointed Mirror People didn't keep that groovy part going through the whole song. I should also mention that's one of the best venues ever and we'd best get some Misfits songs to play there.

Something that's kind of annoying is character switching. While you can choose your band if you restart and switch your instrument the rest of the band gets messed up. If you do a quick switch on the song screen between guitar and bass your current character becomes the bassist. You have to back out and pick your bassist if you want to use them. Then because you can have up to 4 of the same character you'd have to put your guitarist back on guitar in the current bass slot. Also there's only one singer slot like RB so if you want a female to sing the female songs you have to back out and change that too unlike WT where it automatically switched as long as you weren't the one singing.

Doesn't seem to be a lot of new clothes.

One thing that should be noted is all the WT/DLC songs are not individually animated anymore or maybe just re-animated. Perhaps this is why the import list is so small. They have to re-animate or re-cue every song. I realized this when playing Old Time Rock & Roll and the singer was already on the stage at the start.

[Fizzeler]

So far GH5 is great Plug In Baby is a bit easy though on Guitar and genres are mislabled

Fame is awesome :)

[travmeatwad]

That Van Halen deal is bull with the mail-in step thing.

Agreed. The thing said it could be done online or by mail, so I figured after I put in the code and my shipping info that I'd be done. Nope, now I have to print out and mail them the confirmation email along with the offer sticker from the GH5 box and the receipt.

[Rock_Starman]

Is it just me or did the sing-a-long not transfer with Santeria? It's still there on The Joker and I've noticed it on some GH 5 songs but I'm pretty sure it's gone in Santeria.

Inspired by a topic in the main RB forum I'd like to say there's a lot of great bass songs in this. Comedown might be my new fav.

[Ultimatum]

Hehe... otherwise I'd point out that country is far closer to rock than a drum will ever be to a guitar :)

Tell that to Andy McKee.

[I_Use_Shamwows]

YEAH BOYYYYYYYYYYYYY

~Kurt Cobain, on bringin' the noise.

[Phane7]

Kudos to Neversoft finally making a game on par with Rock Band. It only took 2 years and 6 attempts, but they did it.

In all seriousness, I like that they kind of took Rock Revolution's idea of having challenges in the career progression like having to whammy for so long or hit so many chords. Although Rock Revolutions challenges were far more interesting than the rather straightforward ones in Guitar Hero 5.

I like the better graphics, too. Things look less cartoony. The 'party mode' (as I've heard it called) is pretty cool, too. I like that they split apart the Star Power gauges. I like that "Band Moment" thing, too.

The bad things include the usually 'mile wide' timing window and overcharting. A new one is the horrible calibration utility. The sound delay calibration utility doesn't even work, I had to just use my GH:WT settings. Also, the laughable 'import your GH:WT tracks' feature gives you only like 35 of the 84 tracks for $3 and requires you to authenticate a code in the GH:WT manual, which means that rentals and used copies (eventually) will be no good. It won't let you rip them from the disc, either, you have to download a whole 1.7 GB over your internet connection. Also, patching your DLC to work with it requires a 280 mb file? I gotta think there's a more efficient way to get your old DLC to work with RB5's minor gameplay improvements.

[Ramirez16]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UuAoEW5MbI

again kurt cobain rotates freely in the grave.http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/09/01/kurt-cobains-guitar-hero-5-nightmare/

Wow it made it to Rolling Stone's site.

[I_Use_Shamwows]

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/09/01/kurt-cobains-guitar-hero-5-nightmare/

Wow it made it to Rolling Stone's site.

"To bad shotgun blues with Guns´n roses isn´t included."

I actually lol'd when I saw that posted.

[wcarnation]

I've been a Nirvana fan since I was little, over the years my appreciation of the band shifted and refined its self along with the rest of my appreciation for music as a whole. Today I feel I have a strong sense of understanding of why I like music and what about the band personally strikes with me. I remember watching the local news in 1994 and seeing the nightly report talking about Cobain shooting himself.

For 5:06 today, I stood watching my computer with my jaw hanging, not moving a muslce of my face, or blinking my eye and not a single coherant thought being able to be formed in my head.

[wcarnation]

"To bad shotgun blues with Guns´n roses isn´t included."

I actually lol'd when I saw that posted.

Children of Bodom's "Done With Everything, Die for Nothing" is included, however.

I do find it incredibly fitting that the Nirvana songs in GH5 are Smells Like Teen Spirit and Lithium, though, since those two songs probably represent Nirvana the worst out of their available material.

However, while I attempt to draw a comparison to other bands to give a better idea of just how bad it represents the band, the first thing that comes to mind is "It would be like having Faith No More and picking Epic and We Care A Lot" and well, uh...

[EvilGamerX]

I've said this before, and I'll say it again...

it's not that GH5 is terrible, it's good, it's just that it makes me feel like I should be playing Rock Band instead...

[BStu78]

In case anyone cares but doesn't check the GH forums:http://hub.guitarhero.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=940

They list the songs importable from WT officially and also list the songs that will be importable from Smash Hits coming soon.

Also, something to read into too much is this quote from Neversoft in response to someone asking if only the listed 35 songs from WT will import or if there will be more at a later date:

"We have the technology to do so but we are not making any official announcements about that at this time.

Thanks,
Neversoft"

Weak. Very weak. I'm really discouraged by this. I finally got GH5 because Amazon sold it with a $10 coupon on a future game and $5 worth of music downloads (maybe $10, I'm not sure I bought it in time) PLUS the free GH:VH. But I was really assuming they'd have their act together for this given the model provided by Harmonix. I'm especially stunned at how few Smash Hits tracks are exporting since they just made that game. You'd think they'd have thought ahead about this if they were adding this feature anyway. This ensures that I'm not buying Smash Hits anytime soon. Not before it bottoms out in price next year, anyhow. I'm not optimistic about their promises to add more songs. Its still not clear what that will cost me or when it will happen. HMX was on this for a while and announced the all-but-three list in advance of Rock Band 2's release.

[kiggidykev]

That list of songs from Smash Hits is surprisingly short.

[Fizzeler]

I must say I can't wait to have Kurt and Johnny sing this :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L69FU3mC3Ao&feature=related

Although with the new timing window that intro became 10x harder

[kiggidykev]

So if I understand this part correctly:


* Will I be charged for future games? Will I need to download again for each new Guitar Hero game tahtthat supports this feature?

No. This is a one time re-licensing fee. Once the songs are on your Hard Drive (or SD card) all future games that support this feature will automatically access them.

...does that "all future games" part mean that future licensed songs from GH:WT, Smash Hits, and whatever else will be covered by that 320 Microsoft point fee I already paid? Or does that mean that these songs will be able to be used in future GH games without an additional fee? The latter seems more likely to me.

[Aryman]

I really like the game. It seems they finally got it right. The setlist is quite good as well. i just hope they have good DLC on the way.

I also LOVE playing with my avatar on stage. I hope RB3 has this feature. Being able to play with the unlockable chars (Cobain, etc) seems kind of odd though.

The thing that bothers me is the DLC issue. I am already running out of space on my 360 HD, and the unnecessary compatability download is going to force me to buy a new HD sooner than I'd like.

[stangace20]

Y'know the RB suggestion thread, where you suggest features for future games, well Activision must've visited that one, cause they included the idea I had for a mode that enabled you to watch your band perform.

It's right at the title screen of GH5

Also being able to jump in and drop out right from the title screen and not just by going into party play through the menu is pretty nice and the avatar thing is fun too. But other than that it feels/looks a lot like GHWT

so I give it a 7.5 outta 10

And yes, though GH5 has songs that are DLC on RB/RB2 but it has some songs that people WISH were DLC on RB2 as well,lol

Not to mention since I pre-ordered I get GH:VH free in Nov, which'll be fun if just for the VH tracks

so I guess it evens out

[Ramirez16]

Here the official Tracklist 65/65 für Germany or Europe, I don't know
http://www.amazon.de/Guitar-Hero-Band/dp/B002GHB2UM/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1251814365&sr=8-7


3 Doors Down When I'm Gone
Airborne Toxic Event Gasoline
All American Rejects Dirty Little Secret
Alphabeat Fascination
Aly and AJ Like Whoa
Angels & Airwaves The Adventure
Ben Harper And The Innocent Criminals Steal My Kisses
Big Country In A Big Country
Carl Douglas Kung Fu Fighting
Cheap Trick I Want You to Want Me
Cold War Kids Hang Me Up To Dry
Corinne Bailey Rae Put Your Records On
Counting Crows Angels Of The Silences
Culture Club Do You Really Want to Hurt Me?
David Bowie Let's Dance
Devo Whip It
Don Mclean American Pie
Duffy Warwick Avenue
Duran Duran Rio
Evanescence Bring Me To Life
Everclear Santa Monica (Watch The World Die)
Fallout Boy Sugar, We're Goin' Down
Filter Take A Picture
Finger Eleven Paralyzer
Hillary Duff So Yesterday
Hinder Lips of An Angel
Jackson 5 ABC
Janet Jackson Black Cat
Jesse McCartney Beautiful Soul
Joan Jett Bad Reputation
Joss Stone You Had Me
Katrina and The Waves Walking on Sunshine
Kooks Naïve
KT Tunstall Black Horse And The Cherry Tree
Lilly Allen Take What You Take
Maroon 5 She Will Be Loved
Marvin **** I Heard It Through The Grapevine
Mighty Mighty Bosstones Impression That I Get
N.E.R.D. Rockstar
Nelly Furtado Turn Off The Light
No Doubt Don't Speak
No Doubt Just A Girl
Ok Go A Million Ways
Papa Roach Lifeline
Parachute Back Again
Pat Benetar Love is A Battlefield
Poison Every Rose Has Its Thorn
Robbie Williams and Kylie Minogue Kids
Rolling Stones Honky Tonk Woman
Roy Orbison Oh, Pretty Woman
Santigold LES Aristes
Snow Patrol Take Back The City
**** Girls Wannabe
Styx Mr. Roboto
Taylor Swift Love Story
Taylor Swift Picture To Burn
Taylor Swift You Belong With Me
The Bravery Believe
The Dashboard Confessionals Hands Down
The Go-Go's Our Lips Are Sealed
The Last Goodnight Pictures Of You
The Village People YMCA
TheTurtles Happy Together
Tonic If You Could Only See
Yellowcard Ocean Avenue
http://hub.guitarhero.com/community/viewtopic.php?p=13376#p13376

[kiggidykev]

Looks like Fall Out Boy's "Thnks fr th Mmrs" is gone from the list now

Also: haha at SPICE Girls getting censored

Also: whoa at Spice Girls being included

[stangace20]

anyone see that trailer for DJ Hero (yes they are saturating the genre)

It features the Late DJ AM, though "DJ Hero" seems a lame title it actually looks pretty interesting, I'd like to see how they're gonna take the colored buttons off the guitar and put them on a turntable,lol

[Banky71]

Fun hame so far.

[Young Bloodlust]

I was kind of excited for Guitar Hero 5. Including Kurt Cobain didn't seem like that great of an idea but, I liked Metallica. I thought they were actually going to start making some progress on making generally good games. Sure. They've been saturating the market but, what the hell? As long as I'm having fun, right?

Then, I saw this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UuAoEW5MbI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fkotaku.com%2F5350520%2Fkurt-cobain-will-have-his-revenge-on-activision&feature=player_embedded)

That, my friends, is one of the worst things I've ever seen in my whole life and I've been witness to some pretty terrible things.

[Gryffindor]

I rented GH5 this morning. I'm ready to take it back. I can't stand it.

They had the vocals nearly fixed with GH:M & GH:SH and they've redone them to where they're just as bad, if not worse, than GH:WT.

Also, I can't seem to find the career leaderboards, only individual song leaderboards.

[CommonCriminal]

GH5 is still as bad an I expected. Is it better than WT? Yes. It good? No.

Better graphics is the only improvement I've seen. The drum charts are still terrible and the song choices aren't good. Also, vocals are a trainwreck.

6.8/10

[BStu78]

So if I understand this part correctly:



...does that "all future games" part mean that future licensed songs from GH:WT, Smash Hits, and whatever else will be covered by that 320 Microsoft point fee I already paid? Or does that mean that these songs will be able to be used in future GH games without an additional fee? The latter seems more likely to me.

Its pretty clear from the wording that there will be no additional fee to use the songs in the inevitable Guitar Hero 6/World Tour 3 Challenge: Band Hero 2. Which means still no word on being charged for future batches of licensed songs. I'm inclined to assume you will have to pay, but it'd be nice if they confirmed. Of course, right now, future re-licensed songs are purely hypothetical, so I guess nothing to confirm.

[ThunderCurls]

That, my friends, is one of the worst things I've ever seen in my whole life and I've been witness to some pretty terrible things.

Grow up, that is hilarious.

Oh wait, ahem, THAT IS DISGUSTING! I AM HORRIFIED! HOW DARE THEY!

[chaopolis]

Okay... so I got GH5 today, and I went to put in the code online to get Guitar Hero Van Halen.

I fill out the blank spots on STEP 1 OF 3.

I fill in the Unique Owner Code. Click 'Submit".

"We're sorry. Due to overwhelming demand, your owner code cannot be processed at this time. Please try again."

So, I submit AGAIN... and guess what.

"This code has already been redeemed."


....

........

.........

BULL........ CORN!

Seriously, Activision. FAIL! EPIC FAIL!!! BURN IN GAMER HECK!!!!

....and I'm done. :D

[overdriveguitarman]

That sucks!

[clashcityrocker10]

That's complete bull****.

[SonicRocker15X]

I will now take this opportunity to laugh at you, as mine worked fine.
Ha. Ha. Ha.
Jerk behavior aside, that sucks.

[Squaretriangles]

Activision fail.

[NormanCoxwell]

Thats what happens when you dabble into the forbiden fruit. Stay with Harmonix, where its safe. We'd never hurt you like that.

[chaopolis]

I will now take this opportunity to laugh at you, as mine worked fine.
Ha. Ha. Ha.
Jerk behavior aside, that sucks.

As we are all happy members of this fine Rock Band Community, we share a certain brotherly/sisterly love for one another here.

Which is why I brotherly and kindly ask you to not be so douchy. :D

But thank you for acknowledging the jerk behavior nevertheless.

[dady5000]

Guitar hero 5...is actually good. It has quite a few features I hope RB3 gets.

[JanoDx]

Scores Guitar Hero 5 on IGN:

Wii version: 9.3
360/PS3 version: 8.9

[stangace20]

Grow up, that is hilarious.

so what's he upset about? Cobain singing Bon Jovi or the Avatar thing? lol

[dady5000]

Well ****, I'm lucky I picked mine up early I guess.

What time did you try redeeming the offer?

[benson111]

How about taking the adult route here and contact customer support and.......err good luck with that .

[chaopolis]

Well ****, I'm lucky I picked mine up early I guess.

What time did you try redeeming the offer?

About 15 minutes ago.

[Sarge51]

Van Halen is overrated anyways.

[ThunderCurls]

so what's he upset about? Cobain singing Bon Jovi or the Avatar thing? lol

He's upset because the way Kurt is moving. We all know that he was one boring guy on stage, how dare they.

[dady5000]

About 15 minutes ago.

I tried redeeming mine around 2:00-3:00 PM I had no problems. That's interesting.

I really hope your problem gets fixed. Try contacting customer support? Or complain on their fourms perhaps? Or try again?

[ThunderCurls]

Oh yes blame Activision! It really does suck though, but techinical errors are bound to happen at launch.

[Ultimatum]

You don't have to be moving all over the place to be interesting. I've actually experienced quite the opposite sensation when I saw Yes and the frontman simply would not stop moving all over the place.

[ThunderCurls]

They should have just made Kurt useable only on Nirvana tracks.

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

Grow up, that is hilarious.

Oh wait, ahem, THAT IS DISGUSTING! I AM HORRIFIED! HOW DARE THEY!

Oh no, somebody finds the blatant mistreatment of a dead rock icon to be terrible! They MUST be a fanboy!

Oh wait, ahem, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU HAVE NO RIGHT BUT TO ACCEPT AND LIKE THAT THESE ARTISTS DON'T LIKE ACT THEMSELVES ON OTHER SONGS!

[dady5000]

They should have just made Kurt useable only on Nirvana tracks.

Maybe, but I have to admit it's pretty funny seeing him doing such rediculous things. This is like ozzy singing "La Bamba" in GH:WT.

[Ultimatum]

They should have just made Kurt useable only on Nirvana tracks.

Yes. As well as Cash with his own tracks.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Kurt's animations didn't translate over to the transferred Nirvana songs either.

[instantdeath999]

You don't have to be moving all over the place to be interesting. I've actually experienced quite the opposite sensation when I saw Yes and the frontman simply would not stop moving all over the place.

Exactly... my mom's just like this. She didn't like the Eric Clapton show, not because of his performance, but because he wasn't dancing around like Earth, Wind and Fire did...

Same for Bob Dylan.

[ThunderCurls]

This is like ozzy singing "La Bamba" in GH:WT.

Strange that there wasn't an uproar of disgust about that...maybe because Ozzy isn't dead. lol

[dady5000]

Strange that there wasn't an uproar of disgust about that...maybe because Ozzy isn't dead. lol

I think it has more to do with the fact he's been the butt of jokes for quite a few years now.

[ThunderCurls]

Oh no, somebody finds the blatant mistreatment of a dead rock icon to be terrible! They MUST be a fanboy!

I really wasn't insinuating that he was a fanboy, I was mocking the Drama Queens and their over-reaction.

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

I really wasn't insinuating that he was a fanboy, I was mocking the Drama Queens and their over-reaction.

Really? I could have sworn they were one and the same. The GH defenders these days, they are so tricky.

But on that line of thought, why is it an over-reaction and why are they drama queens? Is it because they are denouncing Guitar Hero because of what they view as disrespect for the dead? Why is it that someone who is appalled at Cobain jumping around stage like that is so... so... so different from normal?

[instantdeath999]

I really wasn't insinuating that he was a fanboy, I was mocking the Drama Queens and their over-reaction.

I'm not too offended by it, but you really can't just blankly call it an overreaction. Sure, you can make the argument that if Courtney Love gave the go-ahead, then everyone should accept it, but from what I've always been able to gather, Kurt and Courtney weren't exactly on the same level artistically.

Frankly, it comes down to them using someones likeness without their permission. That really goes into something completely new though, and that's if Kurt would have been okay with it... and their are completely valid arguments for each side.

But, the whole making him dance around routine definitely goes a bit farther... it'd be like animating Jimi Hendrix and putting him a bunch of anti-drug commercials, if that makes any sense at all. They change his personality to support a cause that he originally wouldn't have been for.

[DemiGodRaven]

the kurt video just made Kotaku as well.

[instantdeath999]

Is there one specific video we're referencing? I've only seen an Elton John one.

[DemiGodRaven]

Is there one specific video we're referencing? I've only seen an Elton John one.

It's been posted a couple of times in here, as well as on Kotaku, RollingStone, and Giant Bomb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UuAoEW5MbI

[instantdeath999]

It's been posted a couple of times in here, as well as on Kotaku, RollingStone, and Giant Bomb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UuAoEW5MbI

Dear god...

[Rock_Starman]

It is an over reaction. Barely mention of it being a problem with Cash. Also let's entirely ignore the fact that even in RB when you pick a Nirvana song without picking a singer a pre-made Cobain look-a-like comes up and I'm pretty sure he stays when you switch songs until you turn the game off,I remember people thinking how great that was. Of course you could create him yourself and have him sing Spongebob. How about all those NFL hall of fame guys playing on rival teams from what was their own in Madden? Anyone objecting to that? Is it ok to make Jim Morrison in the Smackdown game with create-a-wrestler and have him fight a midget? Maybe I'll turn on the UFC game and make Achilles.

Don't want to use him on other songs then DON'T.

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

It is an over reaction. Barely mention of it being a problem with Cash.

I seem to remember some other forum goers as well as myself a bit disgruntled when Cash was first revealed as a character. I know I'm against him acting this way as well, but I believe Cobain is the 'poster boy' (Haha oh wow) since it is easier to demonstrate what is wrong with it.


Also let's entirely ignore the fact that even in RB when you pick a Nirvana song without picking a singer a pre-made Cobain look-a-like comes up and I'm pretty sure he stays when you switch songs until you turn the game off,I remember people thinking how great that was. Of course you could create him yourself and have him sing Spongebob.

So CAR is now Cobain himself and is marketed as Cobain and is said to be Cobain? Is it more than just a "grunge" kind of guy or is it Kurt Cobain is playing these songs and then playing Spongebob?


How about all those NFL hall of fame guys playing on rival teams from what was their own in Madden? Anyone objecting to that?

I could see that fans would complain about it, but at least while in Madden they would play like they normally would. At least I'd hope. I don't have much knowledge about this front, I will admit.


Is it ok to make Jim Morrison in the Smackdown game with create-a-wrestler and have him fight a midget? Maybe I'll turn on the UFC game and make Achilles.

Since when is a created character marketed as said person? Since when is a created character intended to be said person?


Don't want to use him on other songs then DON'T.

Ignoring a problem doesn't fix it.

[FloodOne]

You guys take your videogames way too seriously.

Who cares if Kurt dances to a Paramore song, or whatever it is. I know I don't because its just a game.

When I wanna see Kurt be overrated, I just watch Nirvana Unplugged.

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

You guys take your videogames way too seriously.

Who cares if Kurt dances to a Paramore song, or whatever it is. I know I don't because its just a game.

When I wanna see Kurt be overrated, I just watch Nirvana Unplugged.

It's almost as if these guest artists in the Guitar Hero games were people at one point, y'know?

[instantdeath999]

It's almost as if these guest artists in the Guitar Hero games were people at one point, y'know?

Are you trying to tell me Jimi Hendrix and Slash weren't video game characters created specifically for the game?




When I wanna see Kurt be overrated, I just watch Nirvana Unplugged.

Like he said... it's not like making a video game character do something stupid. It's a video game character based on a real person.

And calling something or someone overrated is pretty baseless.

[californication]

Kurt either would have been offended or thought it was hilarious, but I doubt he would have cared much. Neversoft really should have only made him playable with Nirvana songs though.

Other than that, I love the game. Picked it up after school today and went straight into party play. What I Got FTW.

[Ultimatum]

If Kurt was alive, he wouldn't have done this.

[MrFruitLord]

If Kurt was alive, he wouldn't have done this.

The people on youtube think it's funny he's in the game...
:mad:

[Cubecubed]

this is easily the best Guitar Hero game since number 2. Neversoft really did a good job this time.Id give it like a 8.7/10. I do think the Kurt thing is lame,however.

[Cubecubed]

I will now take this opportunity to laugh at you, as mine worked fine.
Ha. Ha. Ha.
Jerk behavior aside, that sucks.

mine also worked fine....so yeah.

[ThunderCurls]

if kurt was alive, he wouldn't have done this.

oh boo hoo

[bootz0rs]

Oh yes blame Activision! It really does suck though, but techinical errors are bound to happen at launch.

You have to admit Activision usually screws up on stuff like this.

[ThunderCurls]

You have to admit Activision usually screws up on stuff like this.

Those 5 free songs were a disaster!

[Metakirbyfan]

oh boo hoo

Respect the dead.

He would have never wanted this.


One reason I'm not buying GH:5.

[Metakirbyfan]

Wow that sucks.

Activision really fails hard.

[ThunderCurls]

I will not let the dead limit the amount of fun I can have playing a game.

[Skittles]

wow and to think I was actually considering this one

[Chadvindara]

Its only a game. Don't take things too seriously!

[ThunderCurls]

Its only a game. Don't take things too seriously!

For some people, these games are a way of life...

[n4sc4r]

I'll admit I'm going to buy this in a couple weeks when I have the $$$. I hate what they did to the celeb cameos, but the gameplay seems pretty good, and the GH:VH deal's too good to pass up.

[Mystlyfe77]

For some people, these games are a way of life...

Which is really sad.

[ThunderCurls]

Which is really sad.

I know.

[FloodOne]

Like he said... it's not like making a video game character do something stupid. It's a video game character based on a real person.

And calling something or someone overrated is pretty baseless.

First off, it's my opinion, and in my opinion he is overrated. Deal with it.

Second off, this isn't an homage to Kurt Cobain, it's a music game.

Third, how do you know Kurt Cobain wouldn't be washed up and in need of money by now? He may very well have done this anyways even though he dances like a pop star in one song.

At the end of the day, you all have your panties in a twist over a videogame.

[Phil Manutz]

Respect the dead.

He would have never wanted this.


One reason I'm not buying GH:5.

seriously, Kurt Cobain had no idea what he wanted. the fact that he killed himself due to things like this is proof of that. why, if someone so feared being exploited, misrepresented and over-popular would someone sign themselves to a record label? nirvana wasn't the first band to make it. there had already been a long history of artists signing to labels, becoming famous and being exploited by the time nirvana came on the scene. he had a basis upon which to judge the chances that getting a record deal might overexpose him.

and you want to talk about respect? how do you expect a corporate entity like activision to respect a man who didn't even stay true to his own artistic ideals? how about a man who didn't even respect his own loved ones enough to take a different path out of the music business instead of killing himself? surely he could have opted out of the music business and just dealt with the circumstances of that choice. how about the small baby he left behind who now is older and knows nothing of her father but the stories people can tell her? where was his respect for her? maybe respect for the fans who adore and defend him so staunchly, whom he more than likely resented?

truth is people are asking for more than they think when they tell people they need to respect Cobain's artistic vision. as a fan of the band's music, I am saddened that he's not around, but as an objective observer, one cannot help but think he wasn't all that deserving of the loyalty that so many people show him.

[FloodOne]

seriously, Kurt Cobain had no idea what he wanted. the fact that he killed himself due to things like this is proof of that. why, if someone so feared being exploited, misrepresented and over-popular would someone sign themselves to a record label? nirvana wasn't the first band to make it. there had already been a long history of artists signing to labels, becoming famous and being exploited by the time nirvana came on the scene. he had a basis upon which to judge the chances that getting a record deal might overexpose him.

and you want to talk about respect? how do you expect a corporate entity like activision to respect a man who didn't even stay true to his own artistic ideals? how about a man who didn't even respect his own loved ones enough to take a different path out of the music business instead of killing himself? surely he could have opted out of the music business and just dealt with the circumstances of that choice. how about the small baby he left behind who now is older and knows nothing of her father but the stories people can tell her? where was his respect for her? maybe respect for the fans who adore and defend him so staunchly, whom he more than likely resented?

truth is people are asking for more than they think when they tell people they need to respect Cobain's artistic vision. as a fan of the band's music, I am saddened that he's not around, but as an objective observer, one cannot help but think he wasn't all that deserving of the loyalty that so many people show him.

We have a winner folks.

Post of the week right here.

[afterstasis]

seriously, Kurt Cobain had no idea what he wanted. the fact that he killed himself due to things like this is proof of that. why, if someone so feared being exploited, misrepresented and over-popular would someone sign themselves to a record label? nirvana wasn't the first band to make it. there had already been a long history of artists signing to labels, becoming famous and being exploited by the time nirvana came on the scene. he had a basis upon which to judge the chances that getting a record deal might overexpose him.

and you want to talk about respect? how do you expect a corporate entity like activision to respect a man who didn't even stay true to his own artistic ideals? how about a man who didn't even respect his own loved ones enough to take a different path out of the music business instead of killing himself? surely he could have opted out of the music business and just dealt with the circumstances of that choice. how about the small baby he left behind who now is older and knows nothing of her father but the stories people can tell her? where was his respect for her? maybe respect for the fans who adore and defend him so staunchly, whom he more than likely resented?

truth is people are asking for more than they think when they tell people they need to respect Cobain's artistic vision. as a fan of the band's music, I am saddened that he's not around, but as an objective observer, one cannot help but think he wasn't all that deserving of the loyalty that so many people show him.

of course no one can speak for cobain...
no one can know for sure whether he would have wanted to be represented like this just like no one can know he had no respect for his family or fans based on his suicide.
either way, saying less respect should be paid to him after death because of your opinions of his actions is very selfish.

the bottom line for me is that it's incredibly tacky looking... i considered getting this GH game more than any other since GH3, but this is a mark against it in my book in a similar way that replacing the zombies in left 4 dead with assorted musicians would be... it kills the atmosphere and leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

if it doesn't bother you, that's your call... we obviously have different viewpoints of the man and/or how his legacy should be handled after his death.

[Phil Manutz]

of course no one can speak for cobain...
no one can know for sure whether he would have wanted to be represented like this just like no one can know he had no respect for his family or fans based on his suicide.
either way, saying less respect should be paid to him after death because of your opinions of his actions is very selfish.

the bottom line for me is that it's incredibly tacky looking... i considered getting this GH game more than any other since GH3, but this is a mark against it in my book in a similar way that replacing the zombies in left 4 dead with assorted musicians would be... it kills the atmosphere and leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

if it doesn't bother you, that's your call... we obviously have different viewpoints of the man and/or how his legacy should be handled after his death.

dude, suicide is NEVER the answer, and it IS a slap in the face, not to mention extremely selfish, to all those who invested part of their lives in you. that's universal, not simply an opinion.

and I didn't say that less respect should be paid to him, I said that, considering his situation, not to be surprised that others don't "respect" his ideals, which he himself stuck loosely to.

and, anyway, it really is as simple as not using his avatar if you want to "respect" him by doing so. others out there who loved him just as much won't mind it, even probably enjoy it. they should be deprived of the means to celebrate him in a manner they are ok with? like you said, he's not around to say different.

[benson111]

Time for the Obligatory post.....

This is never going to be a settled argument, no matter how passionate you are about him or his music. No matter how you slice it Suicide is the cowards way out plain and simple, and it is an affront to his fans and the people that loved him. That being said, it shouldn't stop you from celebrating his music, and contributions that he left behind.

Now can we get back on topic, about the game itself?

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

I play both series, Rock Band and Guitar Hero.

However I lean towards Rock Band as I'm a Harmonix man from way back(Frequency was the start of it).

GH2 was my favorite Guitar Hero game, and Rock Band 2 is my favorite music game.

I thought Guitar Hero Metallica was the best of the Neversoft/post HMX Guitar Hero games, and I despised Smash Hits for its terrible charting choices.

Now having said all that Neversoft has really hit a home run with Guitar Hero 5.

Guitar Hero 5 is the best of the Guitar Hero series.

Yes, even Guitar hero 2.

Not only that but this game is just as good as Rock Band 2.

If it replaces Rock Band 2 as my go to music game will remain to be seen, but it's off to a hell of a start.

The challenges add so much replayability to the setlist, and gives you something to strive for other than full combo or high scores.

Hopefully they can somehow add challenges to the imported and DLC songs as well at some point in the future.

Now if Neversoft can just get the rest of World tour, Metallica, and any other full band game to import fully into GH5's setlist, and amp up the DLC, this might be the start of the Guitar Hero platform.

If you like music games go out and get this one.

Seriously.

You might be shocked at how much fun you have.

Specially if you have a full four player 'band' in the same room with you.

[afterstasis]

dude, suicide is NEVER the answer, and it IS a slap in the face, not to mention extremely selfish, to all those who invested part of their lives in you. that's universal, not simply an opinion.


i'm afraid it is not universal and is simply an opinion. suicide is viewed differently across different cultures and ideals. sorry, but that IS a fact.



and I didn't say that less respect should be paid to him, I said that, considering his situation, not to be surprised that others don't "respect" his ideals, which he himself stuck loosely to.

and, anyway, it really is as simple as not using his avatar if you want to "respect" him by doing so. others out there who loved him just as much won't mind it, even probably enjoy it. they should be deprived of the means to celebrate him in a manner they are ok with? like you said, he's not around to say different.

i'm not surprised, really... this is hardly the first time something like this has been done. that doesn't keep it from bugging me though.

i'm not saying anyone should be deprived of using his avatar...
i really don't care what other people do in a video game, and it's not like i'm saying i'm going to burst into tears if kurt is dancing around like a goober when i do get around to trying GH5 at a demo station, but it will probably make me feel like a bit of a goober and take away from my enjoyment of the game.

[ArmsAreLoud]

BACK TO THE REAL TOPIC. Seriously.

Anyone else having a really hard time with GH5's vocal system? I had to drop to hard for Under Pressure, and even then I only got like 2 stars (in other news, I find it great that you can get less then 3 stars. It's a real "lawl you fail" when you get less then what was the bare minimum is previous games). My best performance so far is Woman From Tokyo, which was ALMOST 4 stars.

In other words, am I just missing something or is GH5's vocal system even worse then World Tour's?

[DEMON212]

And there are actually a couple of things that I'd like to see RB do.

The first thing I like about it, is that 3 Guitarists can play on GH5.

That's something that I've thought about for a while, especially with RB Beatles coming out. Because RB are selling, John, Paul and George's Guitars, yet they only support 2 Guitarists (At least I don't think it supports 3. I've never heard it mentioned, but I've never tried 'cause I only have 2 Guitars).

And I can think of a ton of bands that have 3 Guitarists. So it's never made sense to me that it wasn't an option.

And then the second thing I like about GH5 is the drop in and out system.

I've often been in the middle of long sets on Tour and then had to quit for people to join me.

So yeah, 2 things about a whole game, lol.

After seeing the review though, there's so much that's been taken from RB XD

[Kidmitt]

Remember that in GH5, there aren't 3 guitar parts, just multiple people playing the same part. Having a part for John, Paul and George is completely different.

[DEMON212]

Remember that in GH5, there aren't 3 guitar parts, just multiple people playing the same part. Having a part for John, Paul and George is completely different.

They play the same part? Lame (I knew same part was an option but didn't realise it was because there was no 3rd part).

Ah well then.

[Ehfahq]

Both are horrible ideas. Im glad RB has stuck to a gameplan that works perfectly.

We dont need 3 guitars. Id rather have one guitar part that is the best mix of all of the guitar parts. And one bass part.

So you had to quit? Big whoop.

[wcarnation]

I think 2 guitars is fine as it is and the tracks usually cover both guitar's notation.

It would be a touch of cool to have a Rhythm Guitar, but not every song will be able to provide one and you'll be functionally doing the exact same thing Bass players already do, so it would just be in excess. Keep gameplay in mind, rather than "Man, we're just like The Beatles!"

Guitar player is noodling around the notes, Bass player is keeping the beat, Drum player is providing the beat, singer is hollering whatsits.

2 guitars/1 singer/1 drummer gives the broadest approach and makes it easiest to net the most amount of songs with, I believe.

[SatansBestBuddy]

The drop-in-drop-out system is really the one thing that interests me the most about GH5.

Everything else is either something RB's already done, and done better, or something that's either really lame sounding or just uninteresting to me.

And bad charts. (HOW DARE THEY BUTCHER RUSH!!![/fanboyism])

[HappyCat]

GH5 is surprisingly good but their vocals are still a bit messy

[cmenear]

But think of how some band/songs could benefit...The Outlaws, Iron Maiden, et al...you could split some of those solos up like they really are played!

Of course, the problem with offering multiple guitar parts, NOBODY WOULD EVER PLAY BASS! And that would be a damn shame.

[wcarnation]

But think of how some band/songs could benefit...The Outlaws, Iron Maiden, et al...you could split some of those solos up like they really are played!

Of course, the problem with offering multiple guitar parts, NOBODY WOULD EVER PLAY BASS! And that would be a damn shame.

But what would you do when the Iron Maiden track finishes? When Nirvana comes next?

[ThunderCurls]

Both are horrible ideas. Im glad RB has stuck to a gameplan that works perfectly.

We dont need 3 guitars. Id rather have one guitar part that is the best mix of all of the guitar parts. And one bass part.

It's OPTIONAL. It's only there if people WANT to play more than one instrument.

It's not FORCED upon the players.

[Flawless]

I want a band where it's 12 Guitarist, 5 Bassists and no drummers.

Clearly that'd be AWESOME.

[kiggidykev]

Did everyone have their undies in a twist this much over Hendrix in GH:WT? Jeez

[DEMON212]

Both are horrible ideas. Im glad RB has stuck to a gameplan that works perfectly.

We dont need 3 guitars. Id rather have one guitar part that is the best mix of all of the guitar parts. And one bass part.

So you had to quit? Big whoop.

But you wouldn't be forced into any of these things, so what's the problem?

And yeah, it is a big deal. If it's a song I hate or find hard, then I'm not going to be happy about either having to do it again or losing my progress.


I think 2 guitars is fine as it is and the tracks usually cover both guitar's notation.

It would be a touch of cool to have a Rhythm Guitar, but not every song will be able to provide one and you'll be functionally doing the exact same thing Bass players already do, so it would just be in excess. Keep gameplay in mind, rather than "Man, we're just like The Beatles!"

Guitar player is noodling around the notes, Bass player is keeping the beat, Drum player is providing the beat, singer is hollering whatsits.

2 guitars/1 singer/1 drummer gives the broadest approach and makes it easiest to net the most amount of songs with, I believe.

I don't think it would need to affect the setlist though, it'd just be an extra for quickplay/party modes. I have 2 brothers and a mate who are like me, RB mad, and we all hate the singing bit. So I'm strongly considering GH5, even though I hate how they play and think the setlist is awful (The best songs are all on RB as DLC or disc).

Because none of us can sing and it hurts our throats after long sessions. But it's the only way we can all play.


It's OPTIONAL. It's only there if people WANT to play more than one instrument.

It's not FORCED upon the players.

Thank you.

[TheGreatKtulu]

So far my only complaint is the horribly stupid censorship in 2 Minutes to Midnight.

Other than that, it's a good game.

[wcarnation]

I don't think it would need to affect the setlist though, it'd just be an extra for quickplay/party modes. I have 2 brothers and a mate who are like me, RB mad, and we all hate the singing bit. So I'm strongly considering GH5, even though I hate how they play and think the setlist is awful (The best songs are all on RB as DLC or disc)..

Yeah, maaybee. I can kinda see it that way.

Yet I just kinda don't think it would be all that great, personally.

I was considering it more in a "full platform" sort of thing.

[Ehfahq]

Whats the problem with having 3 guitarists on stage? It doesnt make a lick of sense. Thats the problem. Hey, lets play Nirvana with THREE GUITARS. All playing the same part. S-M-R-T.


Whats the problem with jumping in and out of the tour? It complete devalues the mode. The point of playing a show is to play the entire show. Thats why you are punished when you quit during the setlist.

If you want to have people jump in and out, play challanges and quick play.

[Jglaubman]

Yeah, the multiple guitarists thing is really stupid. If they had different guitar parts to play, it would be cool.... but otherwise it is just catering to the spoiled 12 year old who doesn't want to play bass.

[kiggidykev]

I think that given the option, we would use the "multiple of the same instrument" feature for singing the most to so some karaoke. Four people singing would be even cooler than Singstar.

[Ehfahq]

but otherwise it is just catering to the spoiled 12 year old who doesn't want to play bass.

Exactly. It does not motivate you to play outside of your hole.

[DEMON212]

Whats the problem with having 3 guitarists on stage? It doesnt make a lick of sense. Thats the problem. Hey, lets play Nirvana with THREE GUITARS. All playing the same part. S-M-R-T.


Whats the problem with jumping in and out of the tour? It complete devalues the mode. The point of playing a show is to play the entire show. Thats why you are punished when you quit during the setlist.

If you want to have people jump in and out, play challanges and quick play.

Yes 3 Guitarists makes no sence at all for Beatles (Biggest band in the whole world), Killers, Foos, GNR etc...

And again, you wouldn't be forced into it, so why the hell does it matter to you? YOU would not be the demographic it would be aimed at.

Your whole argument is as stupid as whining about cucumber existing when you hate it. You hate it, don't eat it!

You don't want 3 Guitarists, you don't play with 3!

And again, how can I plan a setlist for people who just pop in?

Jesus, your I.Q must be that of a McDonalds worker.

[Flawless]

What's wrong with working at McDonald's at least they aren't sapping unemployment like you.

[DEMON212]

I think that given the option, we would use the "multiple of the same instrument" feature for singing the most to so some karaoke. Four people singing would be even cooler than Singstar.

Yup, it'd benefit those who sing greatly. I mean how many Duet songs are on RB? I've spotted a few and you're supposed to sing them alone, WTF?!

[Ehfahq]

Thats right, if you dont agree with somebody......go straight to the insults.

Real mature.

"Yes 3 Guitarists makes no sence at all for Beatles (Biggest band in the whole world), Killers, Foos, GNR etc.."

Gosh, last I heard the Beatles (Biggest band in the whole world) had TWO guitarist. He, lets throw in THREE!. S-M-R-T

"And again, you wouldn't be forced into it, so why the hell does it matter to you?"

It would matter when I go online and play with others. You cant see the full picture huh?

"And again, how can I plan a setlist for people who just pop in?"

You cant. Deal with it.

[DEMON212]

What's wrong with working at McDonald's at least they aren't sapping unemployment like you.

Actually can't work, have several dissabillities that prohibit me from doing so (Docs stop me from working) and it's something I truly do hate. I'd work if I could. It's why I'm trying my best to get noticed in the review game, because then that way it's something I could do from home without anyone else being in the way (My eyesight dissabillitiy classes me as a health hazard at a workplace because by bumping into things I could endanger myself and others).

[afterstasis]

Did everyone have their undies in a twist this much over Hendrix in GH:WT? Jeez

i'm sure some did, despite hendrix never being vocal (to my knowledge, at least) about consumerism/exploitation/iconography/etc.

[Flawless]

You could work at McDonald's.

[rowtheboat]

I'm actually excited for GH5 now

[Ehfahq]

Did you know that Jeff Bezos, the man who started Amazon.com and was Time Man of the Year in 1999 worked at McDonalds?

Comparing me to him isnt much of an insult.

[Mr. Tate]

To go back to the point, in a crowded party I wouldn't really mind seeing two people playing the guitar charts. It's an option to have more people playing the game. If you don't like, you just have people playing the proper instruments. And the dropping in and out at any moment is really useful once again for parties. I wouldn't really mind seeing them in a future Rock Band 3.

[AKALink]

Guitar Hero is trying to be the better party game, but rock band is still the best Hardcore party music game. Now we just need SDHC support.

[Mex]

Being able to have 3 people play the same Guitar track isn't going to sway me over to buy this game, it's just not enough. I'm sure there are people who drool at the idea and that's cool, they're welcome to it.

Also that comment about a McDonald's worker was pretty damn lame.

[wcarnation]

Guitar Hero is trying to be the better party game, but rock band is still the best Hardcore party music game. Now we just need SDHC support.

"Hardcore Party Music Game". I like that.

It's kinda like "Meanest Nice Guy".

[DEMON212]

Thats right, if you dont agree with somebody......go straight to the insults.

Real mature.

"Yes 3 Guitarists makes no sence at all for Beatles (Biggest band in the whole world), Killers, Foos, GNR etc.."

Gosh, last I heard the Beatles (Biggest band in the whole world) had TWO guitarist. He, lets throw in THREE!. S-M-R-T

"And again, you wouldn't be forced into it, so why the hell does it matter to you?"

It would matter when I go online and play with others. You cant see the full picture huh?

"And again, how can I plan a setlist for people who just pop in?"

You cant. Deal with it.

Not really, if anything I'd say it is immaturity caused by frustration.

George Harrison played Lead Guitar, Paul McCartney played Bass Guitar, John Lennon played Rhythm Guitar. That's 3.

As I said it'd mainly be for quick plays and party modes, never said for online. Online games omit quite a few things from their local modes, so why couldn't they omit this?


You could work at McDonald's.

I burn/scold myself on a daily basis just making hot drinks (No depth perception due to Keratoconus), don't really want to introduce a deep fat fryer into that mix.

Neither does any workplace as it’d leave them wide open for lawsuits as soon as I accidentally bumped into someone not seeing them and they went into it too. I'd get sued followed by the guy who thought it'd be a good idea to hire someone with a visual impairment and put them infront of a 200 degree DFF.


Did you know that Jeff Bezos, the man who started Amazon.com and was Time Man of the Year in 1999 worked at McDonalds?

Comparing me to him isnt much of an insult.

He didn't exactly do anything great; he made a shop and money. I mean if you'd told me that he'd cured cancer, then yeah.

It doesn't take smarts to get money, hell you can get money from winning the lottery. And not everyone who wins that is smart (Heard of one guy spending a million of his winnings of drugs and he didn't see his arrest coming).

[Deeznutzs27]

If activision wants to do something great then make a Rhythm chart so you can have Lead, Rhythm and Bass... Doing a copy and paste on multiple guitars all playing the same thing is a lame concept.

Its about as lame as running around beating your chest about how you can import your GH:WT songs only to find out less than half even do.

Almost all tracks transfer to HMX = all but 3
Almost all tracks transfer to Activision = 35 of 85 :rolleyes:

[Icemage]

I know this is the Rock Band forums and all, but you don't have to tear down an idea just because it's not part of your favorite franchise.

I picked up GH5 yesterday. It's not blowing me away, but it's not terrible, and it does have some really good ideas that I think Harmonix should at least consider - not that they have to duplicate the features, but if a gameplay option makes sense and increases the fun factor, then why not?

Just because something does not interest "you" does not mean it wouldn't be of interest to a sizable chunk of the rest of the audience.

EDIT: Oh, and refusing to add in an interesting feature just because you weren't the one who came up with it in the first place smacks of an artistic elitism that I would not approve of either.

Truth is, drop-in/drop-out IS being received fairly well, from what I've seen so far in the past day. Same for being able to choose whatever instrument you like. Ok, so it's not "realistic", but neither is that plastic guitar in your hands. Get over it.

[geo2n2]

I hate this multiple instrument thing in GH5. I think having multiple players playing the exact same audio track in a band mode is absurd, and completely misses the point of the game/genre. That's why master tracks are there. It's so an instrument's track is played when a player "plays" that note on the instrument, and doesn't when the player doesn't.

In a band mode, each audio track should be tied to one instrument. It makes no sense in a band context for multiple players to be playing the same audio track. This 4-guitar, or 4-drum thing in GH5 is equivalent to four people standing around playing to a youtube video, and just shows me how Neversoft just doesn't get it.

For head-to-head score battle modes, I can live with the idea of two people playing the same track, but for the love of god, Harmonix, please keep this misguided idea out of RB3's band modes.

[Ehfahq]

Not really, if anything I'd say it is immaturity caused by frustration.

George Harrison played Lead Guitar, Paul McCartney played Bass Guitar, John Lennon played Rhythm Guitar. That's 3.

He didn't exactly do anything great; he made a shop and money. I mean if you'd told me that he'd cured cancer, then yeah.

* Thats two guitars and a bass. We have been speaking about 3 of the same guitar parts.

* Your insult had to do with intelligence, not accomplishments. Jeff was a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Princeton University, worked as a financial analyst for D. E. Shaw & Co.

But anyways................Im going to go lick a window.

[Ehfahq]

I know this is the Rock Band forums and all, but you don't have to tear down an idea just because it's not part of your favorite franchise.


God thing that hasnt happened in this thread.

:rolleyes:

[DEMON212]

If activision wants to do something great then make a Rhythm chart so you can have Lead, Rhythm and Bass... Doing a copy and paste on multiple guitars all playing the same thing is a lame concept.

Its about as lame as running around beating your chest about how you can import your GH:WT songs only to find out less than half even do.

Almost all tracks transfer to HMX = all but 3
Almost all tracks transfer to Activision = 35 of 85 :rolleyes:

Yup, never knew it was only a copy and paste deal only. Video review didn't go into much detail with it, they mentioned the copy but I assumed that there'd been a Rhythm Guitar added.

[meck77]

this game is doing so bad in pre-sales, they are now offering an unrealeased copy of GH:VH for free with your pre-order of GH:5!!!!

[Mycool]

I purchased GH5 yesterday and there are quite a few really nice improvements. I love that as you hover over any song title in your library, you can see the "intensity level" for each instrument or you can hit a button and that same window will show you the highest number of stars & % of notes you've achieved for that song for each difficulty level. Don't get me wrong, I still love my RB2, but it's sorely missing this type of detailed info at your fingertips (perhaps something like this will be included in the phantom patch).

[Deeznutzs27]

Yup, never knew it was only a copy and paste deal only. Video review didn't go into much detail with it, they mentioned the copy but I assumed that there'd been a Rhythm Guitar added.

Sooooo you havent actually played the game you are in here defending..

[Ehfahq]

I purchased GH5 yesterday and there are quite a few really nice improvements. I love that as you hover over any song title in your library, you can see the "intensity level" for each instrument or you can hit a button and that same window will show you the highest number of stars & % of notes you've achieved for that song for each difficulty level. Don't get me wrong, I still love my RB2, but it's sorely missing this type of detailed info at your fingertips (perhaps something like this will be included in the phantom patch).

Have they added sorting? It was one of my pet peeves when playing GH:WT.

Also, thats pretty damn cool that it tells you all the stats when you hover over a song.

[DEMON212]

I know this is the Rock Band forums and all, but you don't have to tear down an idea just because it's not part of your favorite franchise.

I picked up GH5 yesterday. It's not blowing me away, but it's not terrible, and it does have some really good ideas that I think Harmonix should at least consider - not that they have to duplicate the features, but if a gameplay option makes sense and increases the fun factor, then why not?

Just because something does not interest "you" does not mean it wouldn't be of interest to a sizable chunk of the rest of the audience.

EDIT: Oh, and refusing to add in an interesting feature just because you weren't the one who came up with it in the first place smacks of an artistic elitism that I would not approve of either.

Truth is, drop-in/drop-out IS being received fairly well, from what I've seen so far in the past day. Same for being able to choose whatever instrument you like. Ok, so it's not "realistic", but neither is that plastic guitar in your hands. Get over it.

QFT


I hate this multiple instrument thing in GH5. I think having multiple players playing the exact same audio track in a band mode is absurd, and completely misses the point of the game/genre. That's why master tracks are there. It's so an instrument's track is played when a player "plays" that note on the instrument, and doesn't when the player doesn't.

In a band mode, each audio track should be tied to one instrument. It makes no sense in a band context for multiple players to be playing the same audio track. This 4-guitar, or 4-drum thing in GH5 is equivalent to four people standing around playing to a youtube video, and just shows me how Neversoft just doesn't get it.

For head-to-head score battle modes, I can live with the idea of two people playing the same track, but for the love of god, Harmonix, please keep this misguided idea out of RB3.

I agree that playing the same part is stupid, what I'm after in RB3 is the same idea only bettered so that it's not lame.


* Thats two guitars and a bass. We have been speaking about 3 of the same guitar parts.

* Your insult had to do with intelligence, not accomplishments. Jeff was a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Princeton University, worked as a financial analyst for D. E. Shaw & Co.

But anyways................Im going to go lick a window.

I haven't been. I've never once said I wanted 2 Leads or 3 Leads or 2 Bass and a Lead

I know what my insult was, but your reply wasn't anything to do with his itelligence, it was to do with him making money. That reply, has to do with his intelligence.


this game is doing so bad in pre-sales, they are now offering an unrealeased copy of GH:VH for free with your pre-order of GH:5!!!!

And?

Since when have sales ever meant that something was good?

It also doesn't mean that everything about the game is bad.

[skullpit]

Stats is where RB really lacks. I really hope they do something about it in RB3.

[Blurbia]

"getting ____ on the weekend" = censorship in blink 182's the rock show

they know little kids play it? i think so!

The drop in-drop out thing and the play whatever instrument you want thing, to me, is more of a gimmick. It doesn't enhance gameplay, it actually hinders it. I say this with experience trying to play Team PFO with 3 other guitarists and my drum highway became really small.

[DEMON212]

Sooooo you havent actually played the game you are in here defending..

I'm not defending it. I'm not talking about it at all. I'm talking about it's features, features that I'd love to see included into RB3 only with better results.


Sooooo you havent actually played the game you are in here defending..


Have they added sorting? It was one of my pet peeves when playing GH:WT.

Also, thats pretty damn cool that it tells you all the stats when you hover over a song.

What does it matter if they added sorting? Or stats? I thought you'd never buy it as it's online might feature 3 Guitarists?

[Mycool]

Have they added sorting? It was one of my pet peeves when playing GH:WT.

Also, thats pretty damn cool that it tells you all the stats when you hover over a song.

Yes you can sort by a number of different criteria, very similar to RB (song, artist, genre, intensity, etc.). RB's sort is still better because you can hold down a button and skip through directly to the letters or genres etc. GH5 only lets you skip down the list a page at a time (not as good but still much better than their previous games).

[Ehfahq]

QFT
I know what my insult was, but your reply wasn't anything to do with his itelligence, it was to do with him making money. That reply, has to do with his intelligence.


What does it matter if they added sorting? Or stats? I thought you'd never buy it as it's online might feature 3 Guitarists?



Youre right, because being in the Phi Beta Kappa Society, an academic honor society has NOTHING to do with intelligence.

:rolleyes:

Oh, and are you done putting words in my mouth? Probably not.

:rolleyes:

[whofan]

I know this is the Rock Band forums and all, but you don't have to tear down an idea just because it's not part of your favorite franchise.

I picked up GH5 yesterday. It's not blowing me away, but it's not terrible, and it does have some really good ideas that I think Harmonix should at least consider - not that they have to duplicate the features, but if a gameplay option makes sense and increases the fun factor, then why not?

Just because something does not interest "you" does not mean it wouldn't be of interest to a sizable chunk of the rest of the audience.

EDIT: Oh, and refusing to add in an interesting feature just because you weren't the one who came up with it in the first place smacks of an artistic elitism that I would not approve of either.

Truth is, drop-in/drop-out IS being received fairly well, from what I've seen so far in the past day. Same for being able to choose whatever instrument you like. Ok, so it's not "realistic", but neither is that plastic guitar in your hands. Get over it.
Can I tear down an idea because I think it's the stupidest idea since the invention of stupid ideas?

The drop in/drop out is okay I guess (I would never use it because I'm usually on my own for these games), but the multiple people playing the same track is just plain BLOODY STUPID. Whoever thought it would be a great feature should hang their head in shame IMO.

[Spidey987]

Did everyone have their undies in a twist this much over Hendrix in GH:WT? Jeez

You could only ever play Hendrix songs with Hendrix, so it was a non-issue.

[TheGreatKtulu]

"getting ____ on the weekend" = censorship in blink 182's the rock show

they know little kids play it? i think so!


The censorship is just dumb. "I can still get high" is ok, but then later in the same song "when my mom smokes ____"

So generic high is ok, but specific drugs are bad? Of course then the next line is about skipping the bottle and going to the rock... and that's ok.

I hate censorship in principle anyway, so when it's not even consistent it really ticks me off.

[folkeye]

Being able to have 4 guitarists to me is known as the = whining and not taking turns mode. Nobody out there wants to play bass, everybody fights over guitar, very few happily take turns. So whining truly paid off.

I think it'd work if it is just a mode, but if you can do it in tour it wouldn't make that much sense to me.

The drop in/out is a party mode, right? Again, that wouldn't make sense if you could do it while touring. Then we can talk about ultimate cheating mode if so.

I'll consider the game when the price goes down one day... until then I'll have to settle for some Beatles and weekly download purchases.

[Thom1234]

Old news.

Wrong forums.

Fail.

[whofan]

Old news.

Wrong forums.

Fail.
Actually, it is the right forum, as we're discussing the viability of these features in Rock Band.

Epic Fail.

[Grannd]

I don't get what's good about the multiple guitars playing thesame chart, it's basically a score duel and guess what, that was already in Guitar Hero 1 if I'm not mistaken.

[jwebb1970]

One GH5 feature that is kinda cool is what IGN called "the beer button".

No, ice cold brew will not pour forth from your guitar controller, but during band play, any member can "pause", while the song, the rest of the band - and said paused member's part - continues to play.

A good "party game" addition, but far from a dealbreaker.

Gonna sit this out & await Beatles & RB3. Do hope the online/DLC/importation/storage advancements made to the Wii edition find there way to RB3 Wii (logic & history dictate that as a definite possibility).

[Ferocious Q]

i think multiple instruments might be kinda fun for quickplay in rb, considering how terrible my friends are at everything but guitar.

[Mickey Buns]

is Activision scared or something, I mean they really rushed GH5 out and then the import thing was a big let down to the fans, if this is the start of a GH platform...not off to a good start and then they are giving away GHVH WTF.., did you look at the trailer for this game, it looks rushed, the creators look bad and why give it away there is plenty of people who pay for this game. I know the TBRB is big but this no why to compete or do they something big up their sleeves ?

[kiggidykev]

One GH5 feature that is kinda cool is what IGN called "the beer button".

That's interesting. Which button does that, exactly?

[folkeye]

I still think if any those modes are incorporated (somebody's gotta let me know) into 'Tour' that'd defeat the purpose. Imagine this, the hard part of a song is coming up, conveniently pause it/change difficulty to get through it, then go back. I haven't played it nor am I going to do extensive research so I need enlightenment.

[DookieMan]

My stance...

The multiple instruments thing is a terrible idea, and yes, I sort of AM forced into it. If I want to play online, I'll probably never find a singer and just find three other guitarists, making my notechart even smaller than it already is.

The party play isn't a bad idea, but it's not convincing me to get the game one bit. However, it should only be used for quickplay, and never on anything else because that's just stupid.

Also, has anyone ever thought of as leaderboard scores becoming completely ****ed? Conventionally, you get the highest score by performing the best using the set 4 instruments. Now, it'll become a game of "let's see what combination of instruments gets the most points!" Not cool.

[HyeJinx1984]

Gamasutra GH5 Review (http://gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=25112)

Gamasutra is probably the most professional and reliable gaming site on the net. They bring up some interesting points about the game, including all the improvements to party play which, I have to be honest, do sound better than what Rock Band does. Rock Band is still seems like a better experience over all (I'm not turning my back on the family ;)), but some of these improvements would be welcome in the game. Also, Kings of Leon was a good installment. I have a female friend that keeps saying she'll buy Rock Band right away when it gets KoL, and well.... GH did it first.

Also, how do you guys feel about having the rock legend avatars in the game? I didn't mind it so much when it was people like Slash or Tom Morello... but does anyone find it vaguely unsettling that we have DEAD people rocking out in a modern setting in the game? Something about being able to play as Kurt Cobain strikes me as distasteful, as does Jimi and Cash...

[Jglaubman]

If I want to play online, I'll probably never find a singer and just find three other guitarists, making my notechart even smaller than it already is.

They allow that crap online? Wow! That is horrible. Even if I rent the game, I will never EVER find an actual full band.

[rowtheboat]

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161369

[murph]

party play w/2 vocals + Lips mics = awesome.

GH5 is going to steal some playtime from RB2 at my skihouse this winter. not all of it, as i have almost 300 RB2 songs vs about 100 GH5 songs (after import), but definitely some of it. the girls were always singing together on 1 mic in RB2 already.

[HyeJinx1984]

Gamasutra GH5 Review (http://gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=25112)

Gamasutra is probably the most professional and reliable gaming site on the net. They bring up some interesting points about the game, including all the improvements to party play which, I have to be honest, do sound better than what Rock Band does. Rock Band is still seems like a better experience over all (I'm not turning my back on the family ;)), but some of these improvements would be welcome in the game. Also, Kings of Leon was a good installment. I have a female friend that keeps saying she'll buy Rock Band right away when it gets KoL, and well.... GH did it first.

Also, how do you guys feel about having the rock legend avatars in the game? I didn't mind it so much when it was people like Slash or Tom Morello... but does anyone find it vaguely unsettling that we have DEAD people rocking out in a modern setting in the game? Something about being able to play as Kurt Cobain strikes me as distasteful, as does Jimi and Cash...

[killer_roach]

I have a female friend that keeps saying she'll buy Rock Band right away when it gets KoL, and well.... GH did it first.

No, they didn't. :D

[Sunsetguy]

yeah, sadly I was hoping they would keep, the people playing the same instrument only on party mode, because it makes sense there but on the tour modes and online it is kinda awkward... whatever I will be done with this pretty fast.

[kiggidykev]

No, they didn't. :D

Heh, that's true. Couple weeks now, and more than Sex On Fire

[Sunsetguy]

I still think if any those modes are incorporated (somebody's gotta let me know) into 'Tour' that'd defeat the purpose. Imagine this, the hard part of a song is coming up, conveniently pause it/change difficulty to get through it, then go back. I haven't played it nor am I going to do extensive research so I need enlightenment.

You can't drop in and out on Tour mode... nor you can you change difficulty in the middle of tour mode... so far only on party mode, but Tour mode does allow for multiples of the same instrument

[folkeye]

... I have a female friend that keeps saying she'll buy Rock Band right away when it gets KoL, and well.... GH did it first.


See previous post on page before this one. No they didn't. We've a 3 pack I think that was released a few weeks ago.

[jgosh]

we have kings of leon idiot.

[Ehfahq]

Sunsetguy, can people play online with the same insturment? IE: 4 guitarists.

[Sunsetguy]

Sunsetguy, can people play online with the same insturment? IE: 4 guitarists.

yes they can... >_<

[Croq]

I would like to have the *option* to have more than one person playing guitar simultaneously (or bass for that matter). 95% of the time I play guitar and my wife plays bass, but often I'd like to play the bass part with her, or she'd like to play the guitar part.

One other thing that bugs me is that if you're playing a set and the first song is sung by a guy, and the second by a girl, the game keeps using the guy to sing it. GH changes the singer. RB should change the singer too. Of course, if you have a real person singing, this does not apply.

And I agree with the earlier poster that I wish RB had more stats like GH.

All this being said, 99% of the time, RB is what will be in my disk drive. :)

[EntropyMu]

I might rent the game to see if the "play whatever you want" is an improvement or not. In some ways it seems great: in a party atmosphere people aren't forced to do things they don't want to do. On the flip side, though, some of the best moments in Rock Band are when people try a new instrument or something they aren't good at, and get that "I'm trying something new and it's fun" look on their face. I'd hate to lose out on those moments, and when it's easy to stay in your comfort zone, they might not happen that much.

[Gryffindor]

BACK TO THE REAL TOPIC. Seriously.

Anyone else having a really hard time with GH5's vocal system? I had to drop to hard for Under Pressure, and even then I only got like 2 stars (in other news, I find it great that you can get less then 3 stars. It's a real "lawl you fail" when you get less then what was the bare minimum is previous games). My best performance so far is Woman From Tokyo, which was ALMOST 4 stars.

In other words, am I just missing something or is GH5's vocal system even worse then World Tour's?

It is just as bad. Maybe not worse but at least equally bad. They had actually made vocals bearable with Metallica and Smash Hits but went another direction with GH5. It almost seemed as if my mic wasn't sending a strong enough input signal. On long sustained notes it would show gaps in the vocal box.

Another thing I noticed on vocals was that the freestyle sections did not appear to do anything other than to move your arrow more into the green. No points were assigned for the sections.

Other complaints:
In quickplay there are stars and difficulty ratings but no scores.

I was having a heck of a time (as I always have with all GH games) finding other players to play with.

No career leaderboards. The only leaderboards are for individual songs.

I still say the game is way overcharted. If you don't believe me check out the end of American Girl on medium. It looks like the ending of GG&HT. That should have never made it into a medium chart.

Many of the "challenges" are unobtainable. People on the GH boards were complaining about the whammy challenges as there's no possible way to beat the challenge.

I really didn't find the song selection to be all that appealing.

Edit: I also find the use of rock icons distasteful when you can use that character to play songs that are not their own. Cobain singing the Public Enemy song is shameful.

[MrFruitLord]

Having multiple instruments (3 people playing Guitar or something) really destroys the point of being a "band game."

[Bront20]

And there are actually a couple of things that I'd like to see RB do.

The first thing I like about it, is that 3 Guitarists can play on GH5.

That's something that I've thought about for a while, especially with RB Beatles coming out. Because RB are selling, John, Paul and George's Guitars, yet they only support 2 Guitarists (At least I don't think it supports 3. I've never heard it mentioned, but I've never tried 'cause I only have 2 Guitars).

And I can think of a ton of bands that have 3 Guitarists. So it's never made sense to me that it wasn't an option.

And then the second thing I like about GH5 is the drop in and out system.

I've often been in the middle of long sets on Tour and then had to quit for people to join me.

So yeah, 2 things about a whole game, lol.

After seeing the review though, there's so much that's been taken from RB XDCouple things.

1) There is still only 1 guitar part and 1 bass part, so multiple people will be playing the same stuff.

2) The join/quit thing is only in a particular mode, which likely won't be tour mode.

Couple problems with the above 2 in rock band.

1) Multiple instruments and dropping in and out screw with the leader boards (Just imagine 4 guitarists playing GG&HT in RBs scoring).

2) Dropping in and out can screw up a band looking for particular players. Imagine going for platinum with the Endless Setlist 3, and getting vinyl because someone joined on medium for a song.

I'll pass on those in primary modes. I guess I could see them in some version of quick play, but the fun of multi-player is a full band, not just 4 duded.

[Ehfahq]

.

One other thing that bugs me is that if you're playing a set and the first song is sung by a guy, and the second by a girl, the game keeps using the guy to sing it. GH changes the singer. RB should change the singer too. Of course, if you have a real person singing, this does not apply.


Ummm, RB does do that. Unless you are playing with a real person, or a stand in that you set up.

[Sunsetguy]

Having multiple instruments (3 people playing Guitar or something) really destroys the point of being a "band game."

I wouldn't be bad in the party mode, but on Career and Quickplay it is kinda self destructive...

[DEMON212]

Youre right, because being in the Phi Beta Kappa Society, an academic honor society has NOTHING to do with intelligence.

:rolleyes:

Oh, and are you done putting words in my mouth? Probably not.

:rolleyes:

Your first post about Jeff never mentioned his academics at all, THAT was the post I was referring to.

Also, what words have I put in your mouth? You said you would hate the multiple Guitarist thing because the online would then be terrible (Which to me looks like you're saying you wouldn't buy it), but then express interest in the 1 game that uses those features.

Hating on the game...

Both are horrible ideas. Im glad RB has stuck to a gameplan that works perfectly.

We dont need 3 guitars. Id rather have one guitar part that is the best mix of all of the guitar parts. And one bass part.

Whats the problem with having 3 guitarists on stage? It doesnt make a lick of sense. Thats the problem. Hey, lets play Nirvana with THREE GUITARS. All playing the same part. S-M-R-T.

It would matter when I go online and play with others. You cant see the full picture huh.

Interest in the game...

Have they added sorting? It was one of my pet peeves when playing GH:WT.

Also, thats pretty damn cool that it tells you all the stats when you hover over a song.


Being able to have 4 guitarists to me is known as the = whining and not taking turns mode. Nobody out there wants to play bass, everybody fights over guitar, very few happily take turns. So whining truly paid off.

I think it'd work if it is just a mode, but if you can do it in tour it wouldn't make that much sense to me.

The drop in/out is a party mode, right? Again, that wouldn't make sense if you could do it while touring. Then we can talk about ultimate cheating mode if so.

I'll consider the game when the price goes down one day... until then I'll have to settle for some Beatles and weekly download purchases.

I can honestly say I've never had that problem. It's the vocals we don't want to do. I play drums, and the guitarists are fine to either share or just stick to Bass (I and my brothers/mates prefer it to Lead).

So I don't want the 3 Guitars because someone *****es about lead, I want it because there's not a single one of us who can sing and enjoys doing it because it's a strain on your throat after long sessions.

I also never once said that Guitarists playing the same parts was a good idea.


Couple things.

1) There is still only 1 guitar part and 1 bass part, so multiple people will be playing the same stuff.

2) The join/quit thing is only in a particular mode, which likely won't be tour mode.

Couple problems with the above 2 in rock band.

1) Multiple instruments and dropping in and out screw with the leader boards (Just imagine 4 guitarists playing GG&HT in RBs scoring).

2) Dropping in and out can screw up a band looking for particular players. Imagine going for platinum with the Endless Setlist 3, and getting vinyl because someone joined on medium for a song.

I'll pass on those in primary modes. I guess I could see them in some version of quick play, but the fun of multi-player is a full band, not just 4 duded.

Your first 1 and 2's have been said already so now I know and have responded.

Your second 1 and 2... That's why HMX would have to make these offline only. It's not like you need these option for online anyway.

[Flawless]

What are we arguing about again?

[masterantonio]

Sunsetguy, can people play online with the same insturment? IE: 4 guitarists.

Ya I played online last nite with 3 other guitarists, there's even an achievement for it. I wounder how I'll get the 4 singers at once achievement.

[masterantonio]

Being able to have 4 guitarists to me is known as the = whining and not taking turns mode. Nobody out there wants to play bass, everybody fights over guitar, very few happily take turns. So whining truly paid off.

I think it'd work if it is just a mode, but if you can do it in tour it wouldn't make that much sense to me.

The drop in/out is a party mode, right? Again, that wouldn't make sense if you could do it while touring. Then we can talk about ultimate cheating mode if so.

I'll consider the game when the price goes down one day... until then I'll have to settle for some Beatles and weekly download purchases.

It's just a game you play for fun, why shouldn't you play the instrument you want?

[Young Bloodlust]

Why did the discussion about Cobain in the game turn into one about his suicide? I just really don't think dead artists should be in the game, unless it's done in a respectable way. I didn't have a problem with Jimi Hendrix in WT because he was only playable in his songs.

Anyway, on a certain level, I could understand the inclusion of Cobain. He is a widely known artist. Sure, I don't like but, I can understand it. I just don't understand the inclusion of Cash. Johnny Cash's music is quite awesome but, there was no need to put him in Guitar Hero 5.

[Gryffindor]

Sunsetguy, can people play online with the same insturment? IE: 4 guitarists.

Yes they can, yet if multiple vocalists play they share the same highway which makes it very difficult to see if you're on pitch or not.

I rented it yesterday. Personally I'd give the game a 6. I don't really like it. There's no career leaderboards. Vocals are seriously messed up. Guitar is overcharted (as usual). Some of the challenges are unobtainable (whammy challenges). There are stars in quickplay but no scores. I also felt as if the audio quality was pretty bad compared to RB.

As for the drop-in/drop-out mode that's only there so that full bands can be created since most players want to play guitar. I didn't see one drummer online last night. Most of the time you're going to end up with 4 guitars all playing the same chart (depending on difficulty).

[Ehfahq]

Your first post about Jeff never mentioned his academics at all, THAT was the post I was referring to.

Also, what words have I put in your mouth? You said you would hate the multiple Guitarist thing because the online would then be terrible (Which to me looks like you're saying you wouldn't buy it), but then express interest in the 1 game that uses those features.

Hating on the game...


It doesnt matter what post you were refering to. The simple fact is that he has a high IQ, and worked at Mcdonalds. You insult fails. The fact that you felt you need to stoop that level speaks volumes.

What words? These words:

I thought you'd never buy it as it's online might feature 3 Guitarists?

Care to quote exactly where I said I would NEVER BUY THE GAME?

Good luck, you are going to need it. Dont put words into peoples mouths.

I can have intrest in a game and hate its features. I love rock band and I hate scrore duel and tug of war. You dont have to like everything about a game. You asked for opinions, and you got them.

[EPIC_FAIL_GUY]

they should have put Weird Al Yankovic instead of Kurt...that would have been hilarious.

[ham736]

She better buy Rock Band because we already have a Kings of Leon pack with "Sex on Fire", "Crawl", and "Molly's Chambers"

[rockfresh126]

My favorite line from the Gametura review....

"For example, we are finally able to see individual difficulty ratings for each instrument in the song," Escobar elaborates. "This makes choosing the right difficulty for each player much easier, making the game far more enjoyable. There's nothing worse than jumping into one of your favorite songs and getting booed off stage because you didn't realize how hard it was to play."

Jeez.....where do you think THAT idea came from?

[HyeJinx1984]

See previous post on page before this one. No they didn't. We've a 3 pack I think that was released a few weeks ago.

...................I was testing you guys. :D

[DMBillies]

I'm actually glad to see GH going to a format where the guitar players can choose to... play guitar. I think GH would have been much better staying as a guitar only game and focusing solely on guitar related gameplay. Their attempt(s) at band play have been pretty ridiculous and never really captured the feel that RB has (RB really has a collaborative, team-based feel to playing... GH has been much more solo players playing at the same time... which is essentially even more of an issue with this mode).

I don't think it would be the end of the world if RB allowed this as part of a "party" mode that will allow more combinations of players to get into the mix (I frequently have trouble convincing someone to play vocals at parties until everyone is a bit snockered), but I think it is pretty ridiculous that "any instrument mode" is an integral part of the tour and online play (I haven't played GH5 and no one I know is planning on buying it, so if this mode is not part of the tour I apologize and I am only going by the posts in this thread for that information).

[Mr. Tate]

Maybe not a lot of you play in parties with a lot of people, but I can't see how these two features can be seen as wrong. First of all, nobody will point a gun to your head to make you use them. And in parties with a lot of people they are very good. I don't think I remember one time when I chose a 7-8 song setlist and got all the way without someone having to leave because a new guest had arrived, they needed to answer the cellphone, etc. etc. So, with dropping in and out there's no reasons to interrupt the setlist and create one new if someone got in the playing room late or has to leave. Why would anyone oppose this is beyond me.

Ok, two people playing the same instrument. Seriously, the argument is that "it's not realistic"? More often than not, in parties people will play easy or medium level, can't really think of something less realistic. Whoever wants to join in as a guitar player can, more fun for everybody. You don't like that at your parties? Just have people play the proper instruments.

GH5 has two useful features, finally. Not for everyone, because if you play alone or with 2-3 friends you won't use them, but they are useful. Rejecting them would be like rejecting No Fail mode because "it's not realistic", come on...

[LastGunslingr]

This is why I like Rock Band. It gives me the true band experience. I don't want a band full of drummers, or full of guitarists. The drop in/drop out doesn't matter to me. I don't have friends randomly showing up at my house when I'm in the middle of a setlist. And if I did and they couldn't wait a minute then tough luck.

[Blurbia]

Another thing I noticed on vocals was that the freestyle sections did not appear to do anything other than to move your arrow more into the green. No points were assigned for the sections.

Other complaints:

Many of the "challenges" are unobtainable. People on the GH boards were complaining about the whammy challenges as there's no possible way to beat the challenge.

I really didn't find the song selection to be all that appealing.


Yes we have been spoiled by the very friendly vocal system of RB2. We'll just have to get used to the fact that Vocals on GH5 will be harder. My only real complaint with vocals is that, upon activating star power, it is really hard to tell if you are "in the box" or not.

There are a few* gems in the setlist. Judith & Lithium are my current favs. Seven is very fun on drums. *Emphasis on few, but I am trying to stay optimistic.

Yes I was aslo struggling with the challenge for In My Place by Coldplay (whammy 80 seconds). It was starting to hurt my arm.

[moofrank]

Spent awhile last night playing that other game.

The best new features are already handled much better in RB.

...except for Party Play. The GH impelmentation needs work, but the basic concept is how these sorts of games should be played. Plop in disc, play.

Upon boot, it starts to play random songs. Hit Yellow on your instrument, enter a difficulty and join in. Without pausing. The jukebox keeps throwing songs at you unless you hit a button to drop into the song / playlist selection menu.

There are some things they got wrong:
1. Difficulty settings should be in the FIRST menu that pops up when you hit the start key in a song. Personally, I think I would go with:
New Song
Easy
Medium
Hard
Expert
Expert+
Options

As it is, the difficulty settings are 2-3 menus deep. Odd since that is what you will be changing most.

2. Pop up the instrument difficulties as you start a random song.

3. Allow other players to adjust their settings on the pause screen. This is PARTY PLAY. Beer is usually involved, and as simple as the menus are, sometimes people need help.

I am curious to compare the new Beatles quickplay system next week. We often just do random songs, quickly working out a band configuration to handle the particular song.

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

The whammy challenges are a pain in the ass.

I like a lot of the other challenges however.

[CJHobbes]

So after 5 hours of playing after work last night, my roommate and I really enjoy the game. We've unlocked about 12 venues, and haven't had any real groans with any songs in the set list yet, except for Coldplay. We really don't like Coldplay. Also, I like that all the songs are unlocked for quickplay from the start; I never found it fun or challenging being required to unlock songs to play them in other modes, especially when the company codes in an "Unlock All Songs" cheat. Seemed rather 80s Nintendo-ish.

We've only played the career mode so far, and it's been fun. The extra challenges are nice, and I'm looking forward to trying to beat them. I like that you're able to add "stand-ins" for your band, that was a nice RB feature brought in. I still have to create more characters to choose from. The CaR section is still good, but I was hoping for an even larger library of clothing and options. One major change to this: there is no more money. Your items are unlocked through challenges.

I also love the stats breakdown; and the fact that score is kept individually and then added at the end for the "band" score. This way you can more easily track how you're improving on a given song, even while playing with friends.

I'm glad they got rid of the band community star power, and while the band multiplier flames graphic can be a tad overbearing, it's a nice extra feature. I also like the fact that you're not required to have star power to save a bandmate. Just by playing well and keeping a combo gives you a chance to revive him. And for all those people worrying about the COD-like blood screen: it only appears when a bandmate has failed the song; not when they're close to failing. I don't believe it gets in the way too much.

I have yet to try out the party play features. I do like when I start the game up, it goes immediately into the song and gives you the option to start playing along with it. I think that's a neat little feature. I haven't tried vocals, but they don't seem much better than the WT or SH; my roommate was still having issues hitting some notes he normally hits. I do love that the note highway is a dark, solid color now.

One thing I'm curious about: the velocity sensitive notes in the chart. I assume that won't work with the Ions, but I haven't researched it. Does anyone have experience with this?

Overall I'd give it an 8.5 out of 10. A very fun game, as I expected; then again, I keep an open mind to entertainment and have fun easily. *shrugs*

Side note: Was anyone else ready for the disco beat in "Hungry Like the Wolf"? That came out of nowhere, since I'm used to the RB chart now. Very happy I still got through it without a hitch, but just took me by surprise. :p

[Lady Siara]

Also, how do you guys feel about having the rock legend avatars in the game? I didn't mind it so much when it was people like Slash or Tom Morello... but does anyone find it vaguely unsettling that we have DEAD people rocking out in a modern setting in the game? Something about being able to play as Kurt Cobain strikes me as distasteful, as does Jimi and Cash...

I've always thought it was stupid myself. Not once when I was playing any of the old Guitar Heroes did I say to myself, "Hum, I sure would like to see a virtual Slash shred to this song." I know some people like that sort of thing, so more power to them.

However, I think any dead musicians being in a game, Rock Band OR Guitar Hero, is tacky.

[Icemage]

8 pages of "oh, Rock Band gives us the true band experience"?

Come on, folks. Seriously, lighten up? It's a game. Yes, we're playing plastic instruments. In Quickplay, what does it matter what instruments anyone is playing? If you got four guitarists in a room and they wanted to shred some metal, do you honestly think they'd stop and say "Hm, we don't have a drummer or a vocalist or a bassist, guess we can't play that song?"

I wonder how many of you defending guitar/bass/drums/vocals as the Holy Grail also think that Rush songs are super-realistic, when the real band has 3 members. :) Or Freezepop, which has a sum total of 0 guitars of any type and no drums.

These games are simulations, not the real thing, and some of you are letting concerns about realism get in the way of having fun.

On Tour mode, where you actually are sort of trying to simulate a real band experience, yes, I agree, getting the full band (approximately) is a good thing and should probably be preserved.

In Quickplay, what's the harm? Many of the people in this thread complaining about "oooh, 3 guitarists is so horrible" are the same clowns complaining that people are hogging guitar, or complaining that band leaders won't start a quickplay session until a vocalist shows up. Make up your minds.

[DEMON212]

It's just a game you play for fun, why shouldn't you play the instrument you want?

Exactly.


It doesnt matter what post you were refering to. The simple fact is that he has a high IQ, and worked at Mcdonalds. You insult fails. The fact that you felt you need to stoop that level speaks volumes.

What words? These words:

Care to quote exactly where I said I would NEVER BUY THE GAME?

Good luck, you are going to need it. Dont put words into peoples mouths.

I can have intrest in a game and hate its features. I love rock band and I hate scrore duel and tug of war. You dont have to like everything about a game. You asked for opinions, and you got them.

Yes it does, because my reply would have a totally different meaning to other replies. It'd be like saying that something saying "I like Cheese" to someone asking if you liked Coffee was the same as if "I like Cheese" was a responce to someone asking if they liked Cheese

I didn't mean that at all. I was just thinking out loud, it's what I thought from the way you were speaking

No I didn't.

[Croq]

During band play, any member can "pause", while the song, the rest of the band - and said paused member's part - continues to play.
Very nice feature, there have been times I would have liked to have that.


Ummm, RB does do that. Unless you are playing with a real person, or a stand in that you set up.
I'll have to check again, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't. If you set up a setlist that has a girl singer the first song and a guy on the second song, the girl singer will be there singing the second song.

Unless I missed something...

[DMBillies]

Jesus, your I.Q must be that of a McDonalds worker.

The more I think about this, the more it bothers me...

First, McDonald's has employed (at one time) approximately 1/10th of the American workforce. Surely quite a few people in that 1/10th are high IQ individuals.

Second, for a large number of people, McDonald's (or another fast food chain) is the first opportunity someone has for getting a job and gaining the work experience necessary to get a better job with more responsibility (whether that be a new job when they go to college or just a better job in the community). The fact that a huge number of people aren't lucky enough to have mommy and daddy paying for their cars, gas, insurance, movies, video games, etc., that many people need to get some sort of job before they have a high school degree, and that nobody is going to hire a 16 year old kid with no experience for a job with a lot of responsibilities no matter how smart they are, means most people working at these places have to work their butts off for minimum wage so they can afford to make ends meet... or be a parasite of society.

Hell, even the "lifers" working there at least have a job... and if one thing can be said about McDonald's it is that intelligent and hard working people are able to actually break into leadership roles that actually don't pay half-bad for jobs you can get without any kind of advanced degree.

I worked at McDonald's when I was 16. It was my last choice, but it was the only place I was able to walk into and walk out of with a job offer at that age. I was forced to work there until I could get a better job at a factory that had an 18 year old hiring age and required a high school diploma. I then worked that factory as I went through college and I've been working my way up since.

My IQ may not be overly impressive (I wouldn't know, I was never tested), but I am now months away from my Ph.D. at a top 20 U.S. university...

As much as I hated my time working at McDonald's (hard/boring work for crap pay), I do credit McDonald's with teaching me a number of skills I didn't have when I started there as it comes to dealing with people. That job also really showed me the value of hard work and a degree for ensuring I would never again need to work a hard/boring job for peanuts.

The comment was unnecessary and pretty damn ignorant... and I just felt the need to reiterate that.

[LastGunslingr]

8 pages of "oh, Rock Band gives us the true band experience"?

Come on, folks. Seriously, lighten up? It's a game.

These games are simulations, not the real thing, and some of you are letting concerns about realism get in the way of having fun.
.

Lighten up? Getting in the way of fun? I don't know what you are talking about, I am having tons of fun with Rock Band, without those features. The whole Rock Band premise is to pretend you are in a band, just like the whole premise of Guitar Hero was to be a bad ass guitar player. Somethings should stay in Guitar Hero. If I want to play guitar with 3 other people playing guitar then I will play Guitar Hero. If I want to pretend I'm in a band (not just a jam session) I'll play Rock Band. Why do the games have to be so similar anyway.

[Ehfahq]

I'll have to check again, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't. If you set up a setlist that has a girl singer the first song and a guy on the second song, the girl singer will be there singing the second song.

Unless I missed something...

You know what man, you might be right. I have never set up a setlist without a real singer next to me.

[SonicRocker15X]

I like the feature a lot in GH5, but I don't want it in RB.
GH5 is my "It's a game, w/e" game. RB is my "True band experience" game.
I don't want a four guitarist band in RB.

HOWEVER, the four person Pro-Face-Offs are quite interesting.

[DanteSparda504]

Fanboys suck.

Guitar Hero 5 is easily the best Guitar Hero and the party play and the option to play whatever instrument you want are two of the best features in a music game and just makes the game a lot more fun. Don't judge the game unless you play it yourself, don't be a blind fanboy.

Rock Band is still better however, but GH5 is still a great game with some fantastic new features.

[mbnasir6]

They shouldnt of labeled it is a "mode", it should just be where if you wanna play a random song, you can do it almost instantly

[DEMON212]

The more I think about this, the more it bothers me...

First, McDonald's has employed (at one time) approximately 1/10th of the American workforce. Surely quite a few people in that 1/10th are high IQ individuals.

Second, for a large number of people, McDonald's (or another fast food chain) is the first opportunity someone has for getting a job and gaining the work experience necessary to get a better job with more responsibility (whether that be a new job when they go to college or just a better job in the community). The fact that a huge number of people aren't lucky enough to have mommy and daddy paying for their cars, gas, insurance, movies, video games, etc., that many people need to get some sort of job before they have a high school degree, and that nobody is going to hire a 16 year old kid with no experience for a job with a lot of responsibilities no matter how smart they are, means most people working at these places have to work their butts off for minimum wage so they can afford to make ends meet... or be a parasite of society.

Hell, even the "lifers" working there at least have a job... and if one thing can be said about McDonald's it is that intelligent and hard working people are able to actually break into leadership roles that actually don't pay half-bad for jobs you can get without any kind of advanced degree.

I worked at McDonald's when I was 16. It was my last choice, but it was the only place I was able to walk into and walk out of with a job offer at that age. I was forced to work there until I could get a better job at a factory that had an 18 year old hiring age and required a high school diploma. I then worked that factory as I went through college and I've been working my way up since.

My IQ may not be overly impressive (I wouldn't know, I was never tested), but I am now months away from my Ph.D. at a top 20 U.S. university...

As much as I hated my time working at McDonald's (hard/boring work for crap pay), I do credit McDonald's with teaching me a number of skills I didn't have when I started there as it comes to dealing with people. That job also really showed me the value of hard work and a degree for ensuring I would never again need to work a hard/boring job for peanuts.

The comment was unnecessary and pretty damn ignorant... and I just felt the need to reiterate that.

I doubt it, they're American ;)

Joking aside though (Seriously, it was a joke. I know Americans get a lot of crap for being dumb, but it's not true) your argument is sound and you have some good points. Maybe it's just my bad luck to have only ever been served by the dumbest ****s this side of the existence of the human race.

I'm talking the people who don't even understand that a Cheeseburger with nothing on it, still has to have CHEESE! Otherwise, it'd be a Burger with nothing on it!

[DemiGodRaven]

CorporalGregg2's Kurt video just made Metalsucks.net

congrats, he's famous y'all.

[murph]

party play, plus mix and matching instruments is awesome. especially with 2 vocalists using the Lips wireless mics. RB3 needs to uh..."borrow" this feature like GH has done with so many RB features.

[Flawless]

You guys must have really awkward parties.

[Bullseye]

Kurt Cobain, Johnny Cash, George Harrison*, John Lennon*, and any other deceased musician portrayed in video games, maybe not the best thing to promote your game with, but in the end does it really matter that much. Hopefully, developers walk away thinking, Virtual Cobain seemed like a good idea, but in the end was too controversial and alienating to our target audience (Nirvana fans). For me, I actually like having the opportunity to play with musicians (dead and alive) in games, but that's what Create-A-Rocker is all about. I'm neither outraged by the inclusion of Cobain nor is it the selling point of the game. I most likely will not employ him as the singer for anything other than an occasional Nirvana song. In any event, it's hard to imagine that that's a make it or break it issue, but to each his own.

*side note: TB:RB is probably a more palatable way of using dead artists, but that's just a credit to the vision of the designers-it also limits the creativity, imagination, and control of the person that plays the game. I suspect GH5 tried to put too much in and appease fans that complained they couldn't use Jimi in the last game.

Think what you want about GH5. I'm happy to see new features in the rival company's game, as well as, the tried and true features in RB2. It shows that companies pay attention to what people want. How many threads and posts are there about RB not keeping track of stars and what not?--GH5 seems to be all about that. How often do you think about how cumbersome it is to start up a game, pick your profile, pick your band, pick your character, pick difficulties, and try to get your casual players to choose an instrument, then sort through a setlist? OK, it's probably not that bad in RB (and maybe I just get annoyed easily), but GH5 introducing elements that streamlines that process looks like a win for the next iteration of music games. RB1 was far from being perfect (the whole Band Tour mode was fairly broken IMHO) which is what made RB2 so great. To see Neversoft wise up and put features in that make it comparable to RB2 is a good thing. Sure having 3 guitars playing the same riff is not for the win, but just think what RB3 could do by adding a rhythm track or splitting solos. I feel that GH5 is trying to up the ante and expect RB3 to raise it from here.

[Flan26]

You could work at McDonald's.

So few words, so much win.

[DMBillies]

I doubt it, they're American ;) Oh no you didn't!!! ;)


Maybe it's just my bad luck to have only ever been served by the dumbest ****s this side of the existence of the human race.You don't frequent the Burger King on Nolensville Rd. in Nashville by any chance? The fact, unfortunately, is that there are idiots everywhere... people make of opportunities, both large and small, whatever they choose to make of them. Unfortunately, for a lot of smart people just getting their start, a job at McDonald's is the only opportunity for a job they really have.


I'm talking the people who don't even understand that a Cheeseburger with nothing on it, still has to have CHEESE! Otherwise, it'd be a Burger with nothing on it! But the real question is, would a cheeseburger with nothing on it include a bun? :D

[shoes22]

My favorite line from the Gametura review....

"For example, we are finally able to see individual difficulty ratings for each instrument in the song," Escobar elaborates. "This makes choosing the right difficulty for each player much easier, making the game far more enjoyable. There's nothing worse than jumping into one of your favorite songs and getting booed off stage because you didn't realize how hard it was to play."

Jeez.....where do you think THAT idea came from?

I don't think anybody would deny that feature (and others) were inspired by Rock Band, but that's not something that should be derided. Neversoft had the sense to see what works in Rock Band and add that to their own game.

By that same token I'd like to see Harmonix pull some features from Guitar Hero 5 that are really fun, like challenges and some of the party modes.

Both companies and games make each other better, and we as customers should be very happy about that fact.

[itzJV]

Multiple instruments is by far the most STUPID idea yet.

Do you realize the odds of people dismissing others from bands? I'm sure there's gonna be bands with 4 guitarists, or 3 guitars and a drummer, or 4 drummers.

That is incredibly stupid.

This gives people more of a reason not have to play bass or vocals anymore, which pretty much breaks the whole "play as a full band" idea. I feel sorry for people who chart the bass parts and they soon realize.. "well, nobody plays bass anymore since multiple people can choose guitar now."

[wreckem279]

Party mode is the only thing that intrigues me about Guitar Hero 5. I think that would be incredible with the amount of songs available on Rock Band. Party play would be a lot more casual, and Rock Band could be at events that don't necessarily have to be Rock Band themed with the fact that it doubles as just regular music anyway.

I can do without the 3 guitars, but I could see how some would like that.

[Croq]

You know what man, you might be right. I have never set up a setlist without a real singer next to me.
Just confirmed it. Played "Charlene" followed by "CrushCrushCrush", and it had the same male singer singing both songs.

[Ehfahq]

Just confirmed it. Played "Charlene" followed by "CrushCrushCrush", and it had the same male singer singing both songs.

Thank you for correcting me.

Thats pretty lame!. Of course my stand in singer is female, so im use to having the wrong gender sing the song!

[Lord_Mhoram]

I've unlocked about 6 venues, and have enjoyed it. I love playing as my avatar. :)

The wife and I rocked out together for a while too - her with her avatar and I with mine. It was cool.

I had about 40 songs DLC for WT, and did the WT export. So there is something like 140 songs in the game - and I've seen the list for Smash Hits export, and I like most of those as well. So I'm having a fun time.

I haven't played drums on it yet - that is the next thing.

It won't replace Rock Band as my favorite music game, but it is definitely worth playing for me. I can't wait to try and beat the challenges.

[SonicRocker15X]

I really hope Party Play makes it into the next RB installment... It's upsetting that to work a party properly I'll have to use my 135 GH songs and not my 200+ RB songs.

[Flawless]

"Properly" ?

:confused:

[Phil Manutz]

i'm afraid it is not universal and is simply an opinion. suicide is viewed differently across different cultures and ideals. sorry, but that IS a fact.

we're not talking about different cultures and ideals, we're talking about Kurt Cobain's culture and ideals, which include influences of christianity, jainism, and buddhism. none of which condone suicide either at all, or under his particular set of circumstances. that is fact.






i'm not surprised, really... this is hardly the first time something like this has been done. that doesn't keep it from bugging me though.

i'm not saying anyone should be deprived of using his avatar...
i really don't care what other people do in a video game, and it's not like i'm saying i'm going to burst into tears if kurt is dancing around like a goober when i do get around to trying GH5 at a demo station, but it will probably make me feel like a bit of a goober and take away from my enjoyment of the game.

I don't begrudge you your personal feelings on the issue, but just as awkward as it is for you, others are glad for it.

[jenjen961]

I really hope Party Play makes it into the next RB installment... It's upsetting that to work a party properly I'll have to use my 135 GH songs and not my 200+ RB songs.

Yes, what does "properly" mean? I think having a full band is partying properly myself.

[Lawdog1521]

I never had anyone say, drunk or sober, I want to play but I want to play right this second!

Is waiting till the next song to join in that big a deal?

[Mr. Tate]

Just confirmed it. Played "Charlene" followed by "CrushCrushCrush", and it had the same male singer singing both songs.

Of course it's the same. It's a concert with a 4 members band, so the singer will sing all of rhe setlist's songs...

[Flawless]

Guitar Hero has a new shiny feature so people will happily make up any excuse to get a function not many people will use.

[SonicRocker15X]

"Properly" ?

:confused:


Yes, what does "properly" mean? I think having a full band is partying properly myself.

Yeah I guess I worded it wrong. I really don't know what word to put into there...

But yeah, the way Party Play works I'd rather use GH just so I don't have to instruct everyone on "Oh he wants to join, ok, back into that menu... Now you hit green... No, no, not you... Great, now go back to that menu..."
That's how things usually work out.

[dady5000]

I have to say that "Do You Feel Like We Do" (Live) is simply epic and awesome.