20 Fathers of metal

[Rock_Starman]

There's a show on Much More Music here in Canada called Listed. They do top 20 lists and ocasionally top 40. Today was the Fathers of metal. Here's the list:

20. System of A Down
19. Pantera
18. Ministry
17. Antrhax
16. Scorpions
15. Alice Cooper
14. Slayer
13. Megadeth
12. Van Halen
11. Motley Crue
10. Def Leppard
9. KISS
8. Deep Purple
7. Motorhead
6. AC/DC
5. Metallica
4. Judas Priest
3. Iron Maiden
2. Led Zeppelin
1. Black Sabbath

I'm not sure what their reasoning for SOAD was since I started watching at #19
15/20 have been in RB or GH.

[Julio_No_Mas]

Most of the bands on that list took influence from the real fathers of metal (Zeppelin, Sabbath, Deep Purple, BOC).

[Wangsandsuch]

Megadeth should be higher, they helped make thrash metal.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

so where's death, morbid angel, possessed, bathory, venom (who influenced metallica & megadeth not just black metal), mercyful fate, edge of sanity (melo/proggy death), opeth, etc etc etc etc

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Metallica behind Judas Priest? Hmm. Nice list though.

Swap Led Zep and Black Sabbath and I'm happy. But this music was before my time too so what do I know? :p

[Rev0lver]

haha, half of these bands i don't even consider metal. i know they all influenced metal bands in some form, but so did the beatles.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

also 1 and 2 should clearly be black sabbath and judas priest respectively since they are the first two tr00 metal bands. the fact taht iron maiden was heavily influenced by priest should be saying something

****ing douchebags

[gh2masterwellalmost]

also 1 and 2 should clearly be black sabbath and judas priest respectively since they are the first two tr00 metal bands. the fact taht iron maiden was heavily influenced by priest should be saying something

****ing douchebags

Whos the douchebags comment to my good friend battleaxe? Like I said I know little of the metal genre history all I know is metallica = awesome :p

Why does everyone get so wound up on forums anyway?

And yh now I'm off to master Enter Sandman solo on guitar such an awesome song. Better than one imho.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

i was directing that to whoever made that list and to anyone who thinks that led zeppelin are genuinely as one of the top 5 important bands in metal history

and i get wound up cuz this is sabbath and i'm a sabbath fanboi and i hate it when sabbath's legacy is undermined by some ****ing HARD ROCK band that has very little to do with actual metal. yes they influenced a lot of metal/hard rock/rock bands in general, but if you're gonna be a "father of metal" you better ****ing play metal which they don't (talking about led zeppelin btw)

[Wangsandsuch]

Led Zeppelin doesn't really belong on that list, no way a metal band and didn't real do much for the metal sound like those other bands. I'd knock AC/DC off too, because I ****ing hate them and they're hard rock too.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

i was directing that to whoever made that list and to anyone who thinks that led zeppelin are genuinely as one of the top 5 important bands in metal history

and i get wound up cuz this is sabbath and i'm a sabbath fanboi and i hate it when sabbath's legacy is undermined by some ****ing HARD ROCK band that has very little to do with actual metal. yes they influenced a lot of metal/hard rock/rock bands in general, but if you're gonna be a "father of metal" you better ****ing play metal which they don't (talking about led zeppelin btw)

Lol I suppose I define metal by the voice and the usual distort guitar and the machine gun drumming and its like hmmmmm Led Zep? Ever heard Stairway to Heaven? Metal?! :P Lol

Thx for clearing that up.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

19. Pantera
18. Ministry
17. Antrhax
16. Scorpions
14. Slayer
13. Megadeth
7. Motorhead
5. Metallica
4. Judas Priest
3. Iron Maiden
1. Black Sabbath


out of the 20 bands these are the only ones that at one point in their career can be seen as metal + influential

[espher]

What the hell kind of list is this?

Why isn't Ray Charles on that list?

[gh2masterwellalmost]

19. Pantera
18. Ministry
17. Antrhax
16. Scorpions
14. Slayer
13. Megadeth
7. Motorhead
5. Metallica
4. Judas Priest
3. Iron Maiden
1. Black Sabbath


out of the 20 bands these are the only ones that at one point in their career can be seen as metal + influential

I'm not a fan of the Sabbath however they were influential (something I wouldnt admit bout Beatles) but my god you have a strong list there if you leave that be.

[Julio_No_Mas]

19. Pantera
18. Ministry
17. Antrhax
16. Scorpions
14. Slayer
13. Megadeth
7. Motorhead
5. Metallica
4. Judas Priest
3. Iron Maiden
1. Black Sabbath


out of the 20 bands these are the only ones that at one point in their career can be seen as metal + influential

I'd switch Pantera with Scorpions, they only had one decent song.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

^ i was talking about order i was just saying out of the 20 bands on that list only those are actually metal and are actually influential

and about pantera being better than scorpions : nah they arent

[Julio_No_Mas]

^ i was talking about order i was just saying out of the 20 bands on that list only those are actually metal and are actually influential

and about pantera being better than scorpions : nah they arent

but they were more influential. :p

[battle_axe_of_doom]

no they weren't

[Julio_No_Mas]

no they weren't

Scorpions only had like two hits, Pantera had alot more.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

who gives a **** about hits. the scorpions along with judas priest in the early 70s originated what is now known as duel rhythm guitars/twin guitar which is used HEAVILY in metal today

if i were i'd stfu and go look at your stupid list of OMG HIT BANDSZLJOL

[osirisbunnyfoofoo]

Pantera>Scorpions. Metallica is crap. And this list is terribly inaccurate without BOC.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Pantera>Scorpions. Metallica is crap. And this list is terribly inaccurate without BOC.

If you like the metal genre then metallica is an automatic tick in the box. I don't get what you think but hey...

[espher]

This list is terribly inaccurate without Ray Charles.

[whofan]

If you like the metal genre then metallica is an automatic tick in the box. I don't get what you think but hey...

Actually, that is a horribly innaccurate statement. I'm a huge metalhead and I sincerely dislike Metallica (with the exception of Enter Sandman). I think that they are absolute crap (However, I will not deny their influence).

I'm a huge fan of Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath and quite a few other bands on that list. However, I can not agree with their placement. Judas Priest must be higher, as, along with Black Sabbath, they were the originators of Metal as a genre. Maiden, while an amazing band, didn't come along until there was a genre in place and built upon the foundations of Judas Priest and Sabbath.

And finally, Led Zeppelin and AC/DC are NOT Metal in any way, shape or form. They are HARD ROCK. Seriously, I hate how everybody says that Led Zeppelin are Metal, by that mentality The Who should be classed as Metal as should The Beatles songs like "Helter Skelter" and "Revolution". Utter foolishness.

And to the poster who denied The Beatles' legacy and influence.... what are you smoking? The Beatles were easily THE most influential band (notice I don't say artist, as there are several solo acts (i.e. Elvis Presley) who would equal the influence of The Beatles) in musical history. Plain and Simple. Nobody can deny that. Ask 99% of the bands out there and they'll list The Beatles in some capacity as an influence. It's okay not to like their music, it's personal taste, but you CAN NOT deny their influence.

And I agree with other posters here, where's Ray Charles? Or for that matter, where's Wham!?

[espher]

And I agree with other posters here, where's Ray Charles? Or for that matter, where's Wham!?

Wham isn't heavy metal.

[whofan]

Wham isn't heavy metal.
Are you sure? Are they classed as Death Metal? I can never keep the genres straight

[whofan]

Wham isn't heavy metal.
Are you sure? Are they classed as Death Metal? I can never keep the genres straight

[espher]

Are you sure? Are they classed as Death Metal? I can never keep the genres straight

They, like Rush, are R&B. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=eeOrddRaSM8)

[IbanezBassist_v2]

Meh, I can live with that.

[Julio_No_Mas]

who gives a **** about hits. the scorpions along with judas priest in the early 70s originated what is now known as duel rhythm guitars/twin guitar which is used HEAVILY in metal today

if i were i'd stfu and go look at your stupid list of OMG HIT BANDSZLJOL
If I were to make a list of OMG HIT METALBANDSJLOL it's be very similar to yours, jackass. We might as well just end this now, because I know I'm right and you know you're right and neither of us will sway the other.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Actually, that is a horribly innaccurate statement.

Don't forget "in my humble opinion" :p for after all, that is all we can give, not fact.

[Wangsandsuch]

Yeah, put BOC at number 1 or 2 for this list.

[Julio_No_Mas]

I hate how everybody says that Led Zeppelin are Metal
They aren't but their style mutated and gave birth into metal. Heavy drumming, high-pitched singing, and so on.

[Rock_Starman]

Yup it's their influence,metal or not. Zep got credit for that stuff and also for the use of fantasy/mythology in lyrics wich last I checked is quite frequent in metal. I forget what they said about AC/DC. Van Halen got in based on the guitar and coming up with the double hand tapping. Should mention Rob Halford was part of the show.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

lol @ acdc coming up with double handed tapping

also at the guy who said our lists would be identical : i dont' see your logic. the grim fact is the fathers of metal weren't hit makers when they began and were at their most innovative. sabbath were never hit machines, priest before british steel weren't hit machines either, and obviously death/mantis, morbid angel aren't hit machines either so i'm failing to see how our lists would be identical

again about zeppelin, if you're gonna go by influence they're still not more important than priest. priest is by far the second most influential band in metal's history and therefore should be @ 2

[Rock_Starman]

No that was Van Halen,said I forgot what they said about AC/DC. Unless you meant Van Halen and typed AC/DC. In wich case it was at least popularized by Van Halen,unless I'm missing something.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

ya you're right i had a dyslexia moment and read your post as "acdc made tapping etc etc"

so in other words "lol@ eVH inventing double handed tapping or any tapping for that matter"