Pastels and Note Highway=torture

[ghostofjarjar]

Am I the only one thats disoriented with the colors and note highway? Missing notes and losing my place in the song at times. The game would've been perfect keeping the RB2 highway style.

[wreckem279]

I was at first, but after awhile my eyes adjusted and everything was fun.

[BevoTheWarrior]

Yeah, it took me a few minutes to adjust to it but by the time I finished The Cavern, I didn't even notice it anymore.

[Daytrip]

I think after you get used to it going back to RB2 will be more difficult. It'll certainly look much harsher with the higher contrast between notes and highway.

[sperine]

I was having a lot of trouble with this when playing last night. My vision is terrible anyway, and I wasn't playing with glasses, but the colors definitely caused me to miss some notes, especially greens during overdrive.

[RealMessiah]

Am I the only one thats disoriented with the colors and note highway? Missing notes and losing my place in the song at times. The game would've been perfect keeping the RB2 highway style.

I guess I could have taken a second and looked for a thread before I posted similar, but my eyes were sore...

It might be something that takes getting used to but sometimes the notes are totally hidden due to similar colors.

I agree with keeping the more contrasted note highway... Maybe they can add a setting to make it solid and black...lol

[wickedbadz]

I personally think the note colors and choice of highway color and why they made it transparent ruined this game. It reminds me of GH Aerosmith with that ugly almost impossible to see note charts of the relica Joe Perry highway. Take the fun out of the game when you're struggling to see notes because of a poor choice in colors by the designers.

[ChewyChavezIII]

Hmm...I played the game at lunch and didnt have I problem. I actually thought the "Apple" green notes were a nice touch.

[C-Weiner]

You get used to it after a bit

[fleamonkey]

Yes im finding it hard. Im colorblind to a dfree. So green and reds can fade into each other on me. Well in solos and over drive i lose notes. Kinda sucks. Looks like a fine game. Just wish they had an option to change note colors and the highway. As it stands i may have to drop the game as unplayable. Also might warn that people with a small degree of color blindness may have difficulty even playing the game.

[wickedbadz]

You get used to it after a bit

I've had the game almost a week I'm not used to it. I'm not even touching the game again until it's patched. If its not patched the game is gone.

[oRabbit]

Blah, blah..."this game is too easy"..."there's no challenge"..."it makes the game hard when it's difficult to read the notes. I hate it. Make it easier to play"...blah, blah.

Maybe they did that on purpose to add a bit of difficulty...always complainers on the internet.

[Zebracakes]

Yes I think they did it on purpose. It does make it harder and that's what most people here want anyway. I like the extra challenge and it fits the experience of the game well. It sucks for colorblind people though =/.

[therealdokks]

Not to mention the terrible headaches it causes. Can't play because the intensity of the colors, regardless of what fanboi oRabbit ^ says.

[Chaosraiden]

Bit of a pain when you a third harmoniser and the first and second are on the same pitch.... so that's 2 brown bars on the screen.

[RealMessiah]

Blah, blah..."this game is too easy"..."there's no challenge"..."it makes the game hard when it's difficult to read the notes. I hate it. Make it easier to play"...blah, blah.

Maybe they did that on purpose to add a bit of difficulty...always complainers on the internet.

What they added was headaches...If causing headaches was a goal...Succeed.

I didn't put RB2 down until I had played through all 84 songs...I don't even put the controller down oun Tuesdays until I have played through all DLC twice yet I put it down while playing this after 7 songs so my eyes could rest...

[MonsterZero]

I was at first, but after awhile my eyes adjusted and everything was fun.

Yeah, at first a little different but I ajusted and played fine.

Can't wait for more dlc

[oRabbit]

Yes im finding it hard. Im colorblind to a degree.

This wasn't posted when I placed my last reply. That would suck, I feel sad for you now....you'd think it'd be something that would've come up sometime in their testing.


What they added was headaches...If causing headaches was a goal...Succeed.
... yet I put it down while playing this after 7 songs so my eyes could rest...
Maybe that's to mimic the drugs the Beatles were on when they had to play the songs :)

[Casto21]

Have no problem with it at all. Just played all songs on drums, 10 on guitar and about 5 on bass. I actually like the color scheme.

[MaRkiSH]

The only problem I had was with bass groove + overdrive (Beatlemania?) at the same time. The purple background for bass groove is awesome, but when combined with the overdrive it makes it kinda hard to see the notes.

But I love the colours they used for the notes, and have since the first gameplay footage.

[ppetrovi]

I only had this problem playing online. We were playing the Sgt Peppers/Help From my Friends and the semi transparent note chart was hard to read with all the colorful backgrounds. Ruined the FC!

[MysteryMan]

I threw a "Beatles Rock Band" party tonight, and people stopped playing because of the difficulty in reading the note charts, especially during overdrive. I understand that different TVs will display things differently, but we've never had a problem during Rock Band 2.

[lillegg87]

The only problem I had was with bass groove + overdrive (Beatlemania?) at the same time. The purple background for bass groove is awesome, but when combined with the overdrive it makes it kinda hard to see the notes.

But I love the colours they used for the notes, and have since the first gameplay footage.


I agree with this one easily. When trying to see the white notes with bass grove and beatlemania is hard. but other wise i don't see a problem

[ghostofjarjar]

HMXVeng, I see you lurking around here, so question...is this something that CAN be patched for users that prefer the classic RB style?

[veng]

I've had the game almost a week I'm not used to it. I'm not even touching the game again until it's patched. If its not patched the game is gone.

May I ask how you've had this game for almost a week if it was released today?

[NikkiLove]

So far I have only played two songs, but the highway has been driving me absolutely nuts. I'm glad to see others are having this issue. I'm also glad to see a bunch of people are saying that you just get used to it, and eventually it ceases to make a difference. I really hope I get used to it soon, because it's ruining an otherwise fantastic game for me.

[Blurbia]

Yes its very annoying, especially after activating "beatlemania".

I hope I get used to it.

[travmeatwad]

Nope, I've had no problems.

[wcarnation]

I have a problem with this on Bass.

Bass Groove + Beatlemania + 4 Player Multiplay + Pastels = OH GOD I CANT SEE SPIT

Also I have an exceptionally hard time seeing the vocal arrow, the Rock Band 2 one was much much easier to use.

[CountWaesche]

I played straight thought the entire story last night, and was having all kinds of issues with this.

I did get to were I could see the notes (more or less) but on some of the dreamscapes (while awesome) I could barely see the track because of the color explosions.

Never had this problem before with RB2....

[wickedbadz]

May I ask how you've had this game for almost a week if it was released today?

Sure you can ask, I purchased the game at a local store. As I have in the past with some other games.

Are you going to patch the note highway? Seems to be the topic here, which you totally overlooked. As of right now I'd sooner a refund than have paid $59.99 + tax for this game that is terrible at best simply because of the note highway.

Edit: I'll also add the other issues.

1. Drums don't work until songs starts, you have no way of testing your kit prior to the song like in past games.
2. You cannot tell if you're playing drums or not because the drum notes make little to no sound.
3. The note highway seems to expand when hitting the bass drum, I know this sounds odd but it happens and wasn't this way in RB1.2 or AC/DC and the Country Pack.
4. The gold star cutoff's are insanely high for gold stars on all instruments it's almost impossible to gold star some songs without having a full combo.
5. The Xbox Headset is unsupported as a Microphone.
6. The Whammy has 0 effect on the songs, you have no idea if you are whammy'n or not.
7. One song, I forget offhand exactly which one totally ends instantly on the last note like a major glitch or something in the game.

[Rich T.]

I had no problem with the design of the notes and highway. The notes did make me hungry for Gummi Life Savers, but that's a good thing.

I'm very sorry to read here that some players with color blindness may be having trouble. It would be nice if there was an option to toggle a different color scheme onto the highway.

[cokecan]

I agree, as a drummer I've found myself getting "lost" trying to read the chart due to the "expanding" lane/overly ambitious choice of colors.

The idea of ambiance affecting your playing is cool, but slightly over the top.

I can deal with the screaming women, just not the bad acid trip. I paid 60 bucks for bad acid? :)

[doctiloquus]

The colors are terrible for color-blind folk. It's that simple. Especially during Beatlemania periods. This needs to be addressed. The vocal harmony colors are just as awful. The first comment out of my singing partner's mouth: "These harmony colors are atrocious, especially for color blind people." Give us a color-blind mode, Harmonix, I beg of thee.

Incidentally, I seem to remember reading in a recent WIRED article about the game's development how Yoko Ono swept in late in the process and asked for the colors of certain things to be changed. How perfect would it be if she's to blame for the horrible note highway color scheme?

[wcarnation]

Don't get me wrong, I really like the pastel colors and find they fit well.

They are just very very hard to see with the rest of the effects, then that becomes worse when you're doing big multiplayer and your note chart is tinier and little hammer-ons sneak between your notes.

As a Bass player in this game, it is tricky. Trying to see those notes on top of TWO background elements and also having the audio buried in a majority of the songs. If feels like I'm playing blind.

[Nastazgeezer]

I'm guessing that most people who've said "no problems for me" are playing on a HDTV.

I had major problems seeing the highway at first being that the first thing i did was go through career in a 3 player band.. on bass! "/ lol. I don't have a HDTV though it is 32", so it's not too bad when i'm playing on my own, it's just playing a 3 player instrument band which makes things kinda hard to see. I haven't tried drums yet, and the guitar highway doesn't seem too bad, it's mainly bass + Bealtemania (as many people have already mentioned) that i'm having the most trouble with so far - sometimes you can't even tell if it's a held note or not.

I would like to see a patch to be able to change the highway colour to black from the options menu, but i bet that even if 90% of us gathered with torches and pitchforks demanding something to be done, nothing would. Ah well, guess i'll just have to get used to it - though slowly but surely, I am. =)

Regarding HDTV's again; if there is indeed no problems seeing the highway on a HDTV, i'm assuming that Harmonix only tested the game on HD's, otherwise someone surely would have said "urm.. i'm kinda having a hard time seeing the notes here" and would have done something about it. I'd like to see devs test games on non HD's too, because unfortunately, not everyone owns one.

I'm not bashing Harmonix or anything and I don't mean for it to sound that way, i'm just sharing my thoughts and opinions is all. I'm loving the game so far and i'm sure i'll continue to do so for quite some time! ^_^

[wickedbadz]

I'm guessing that most people who've said "no problems for me" are playing on a HDTV.

I had major problems seeing the highway at first being that the first thing i did was go through career in a 3 player band.. on bass! "/ lol. I don't have a HDTV though it is 32", so it's not too bad when i'm playing on my own, it's just playing a 3 player instrument band which makes things kinda hard to see. I haven't tried drums yet, and the guitar highway doesn't seem too bad, it's mainly bass + Bealtemania (as many people have already mentioned) that i'm having the most trouble with so far - sometimes you can't even tell if it's a held note or not.

I would like to see a patch to be able to change the highway colour to black from the options menu, but i bet that even if 90% of us gathered with torches and pitchforks demanding something to be done, nothing would. Ah well, guess i'll just have to get used to it - though slowly but surely, I am. =)

Regarding HDTV's again; if there is indeed no problems seeing the highway on a HDTV, i'm assuming that Harmonix only tested the game on HD's, otherwise someone surely would have said "urm.. i'm kinda having a hard time seeing the notes here" and would have done something about it. I'd like to see devs test games on non HD's too, because unfortunately, not everyone owns one.

I'm not bashing Harmonix or anything and I don't mean for it to sound that way, i'm just sharing my thoughts and opinions is all. I'm loving the game so far and i'm sure i'll continue to do so for quite some time! ^_^

I play on a 52" Sony HDTV it's terrible on it. I've tried all sorts of settings even as far as turning color all the way off and playing black and white and it didn't make any difference. I've noticed if I darken my TV way down it gets somewhat easier but still I shouldn't need to remove almost all my brightness to see the chart. Don't get me wrong I love The Beatles but I think the color could have had some choice other than this new default highway.

[tw1l1ght]

Quoting myself out of another thread, as this one is the one with the better topic, the other one might get overlooked:


I too really have problems to recognize notes as soon as any effects (guitar soli / overdrive / bass multiplier) are active. I'm not totally color-blind, but got a slight red/green weakness, which might be the cause for this.

This totally kills the fun for me, and I'm thinking about re-selling the game, even though I love the songs. :(

HMX, an option to turn all that eye-candy off, select different color presets (same color as in RB2) and/or make the background of the note highway a solid color would be really great.

BTW, I got no problems at all in RB2.

[Jordan10la]

I see no problem with the note highway.

[MK-82_1_each]

I play on a 52" Sony HDTV it's terrible on it. I've tried all sorts of settings even as far as turning color all the way off and playing black and white and it didn't make any difference. I've noticed if I darken my TV way down it gets somewhat easier but still I shouldn't need to remove almost all my brightness to see the chart. Don't get me wrong I love The Beatles but I think the color could have had some choice other than this new default highway.

I play on a 40" HDTV and found it somewhat disturbing that one can easily lose track of of the chart. The 1st song I did was in quickplay and this issue stuck out like a sore thumb. Everything else is pretty cool but playability apparently was not a design consideration.

[Greebo_T_Cat]

Played the game on a 40" Samsung 7020 LCD TV. Didn't have any highway problems or similar. I see the notes, I see the colours... It'd be nice if someone could try and snap a picture to show what they mean perhaps? I see the colours have changed but on my setup I can't see a problem with it.

[tw1l1ght]

I see the notes, I see the colours... It'd be nice if someone could try and snap a picture to show what they mean perhaps? I see the colours have changed but on my setup I can't see a problem with it.

That could prove a bit difficult, I mean if you have normal color vision you are expected to have no problems with the game. (I guess)

But if your color vision is a bit off (slight red/green weakness like me for example) you cannot tell the difference between some of the notes, the orange notes for example nearly completely vanish for me when overdrive or some other effect is active... kinda hard to shoot a picture, if the reason for that is peoples eyes... isn't it? ;)

Found an example for my case:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/47-rg12.jpg

If you look at that picture for example if your vision is "normal" you can see the number 17 AND the number 47.
If your red/green vision is impaired you only see the number 17. (Thats my case).

In RB2 the colors of the notes, the note highway and the contrast when effects were active were kinda easier to distinguish... in RB:TB however, that has become more hard and straining for the eyes because of the whole color setting.

[Greebo_T_Cat]

That could prove a bit difficult, I mean if you have normal color vision you are expected to have no problems with the game. (I guess)


Ah my comment was more aimed at the people who (without the colour blindness) seem to be having a problem, I certainly read a number of complaints from people who never mentioned color vision issues. It occurs to me that there are probably lots of games that present issues for those who have vision issues. How long, I wonder before game devs are encourage to put a high-contrast/etc option into games...

[tw1l1ght]

I certainly read a number of complaints from people who never mentioned color vision issues. It occurs to me that there are probably lots of games that present issues for those who have vision issues. How long, I wonder before game devs are encourage to put a high-contrast/etc option into games...

Well, funny story: I'm 34 now... and this read-green thing I have has been discovered only a couple of years ago by my oculist as I wanted to get contact lenses.
I didn't even notice this at all the years before, and I never did so far "in real life" or in any computer game... and I'm playing since the c-64 area. ;)

It wouldn't even surprise me if a lot of people who got this or a similar vision impairment don't even know about it.

[bek_____2]

Yes, they should have made it easier too see the notes for coulorblind people, and people with b&w TVs

hope harmonix will change this

there should also be a option to turn off the background animation (dreamscaps and concerts). also, it could have been a good idea to choose to not download animations with DLC songs, to save space on your hard drive.

[pal0fex]

I play on a 52" LCD and have no problems distinguishing the notes.

[pupsdaddy]

I might be the only one, but I MUCH prefer this color scheme to the RB2 one.
On the drums especially, the kick drum notes are easier for me to see.

The big bonus for me, though, is when you're in Beatlemania (overdrive). In RB2, I sometimes have to avoid going into overdrive before a difficult section because the notes are really hard to see under that paisley highway. I'm having to problems at all seeing the notes during Beatlemania.

[travmeatwad]

1. Drums don't work until songs starts, you have no way of testing your kit prior to the song like in past games.
2. You cannot tell if you're playing drums or not because the drum notes make little to no sound.
3. The note highway seems to expand when hitting the bass drum, I know this sounds odd but it happens and wasn't this way in RB1.2 or AC/DC and the Country Pack.
4. The gold star cutoff's are insanely high for gold stars on all instruments it's almost impossible to gold star some songs without having a full combo.
5. The Xbox Headset is unsupported as a Microphone.
6. The Whammy has 0 effect on the songs, you have no idea if you are whammy'n or not.
7. One song, I forget offhand exactly which one totally ends instantly on the last note like a major glitch or something in the game.

1 and 2. You honestly think they would let you mess with The Beatles' music? It's the same reason there are no drum fills. You can tell if you're whammying if your overdrive is going up and that the note moves more.
6. I Want You (She's So Heavy)? Yeah, have you not heard the song before or something?

[DarthAthema]

I thought it was a problem, but then I realized that my guitar wasn't calibrated properly. That fixed it.

[Finnulf]

The pastels fit the overall theme of the game and yet are still less gaudy than any GH note highway.

[PCTraitor]

i definitely felt the way you do, but after 4 or 5 songs, my eyes too adjusted, and it hasnt really been a problem. I still have a bit of a problem noticing the harmonies (brown and darker brown?? sheesh.. RED BLUE AND GREEN, would ve been easier but wouldnt have fit with the color scheme im guessing. That and noticing when i deploy vocal "beatlemania". Ive found that just holding out notes works.

red, blue and green would've wreaked havoc on the color blind that mistake red for green.

[Wicked Pi$$ah]

Played the game on a 40" Samsung 7020 LCD TV. Didn't have any highway problems or similar. I see the notes, I see the colours... It'd be nice if someone could try and snap a picture to show what they mean perhaps? I see the colours have changed but on my setup I can't see a problem with it.

We play on a 46" Samsung (LNT4665FX) and we didn't have any problems either. The colors in TB:RB are definately different from RB2, but they are still crisp and clear.

Our TV is about two years old and we did a lot of research via customer reviews, etc. before buying it and I'm glad we did because it really does make a difference for gaming, watching movies and watching TV.

After having this TV for as long as we have, I don't miss my big old 36" Magnavox at all. :p

[jay4428]

I actually love the colors. It really helps convey the feel of the game.

[Branr]

32" LCD screen here, and I had no problems distinguishing notes in a 4 1/2 hour sitting...although I DID get distracted at times watching the dreamscapes :D

[LiquiDLeaD23]

I beat the story mode yesterday on expert with no problems at all. And by no problems I mean getting 5 stars on the majority of the songs. The only times I messed up because of the game was because I was too busy looking at the walrus rather than the highway. I don't think there is any problem with the game, you just need to get used to it.

[colossamite]

Colors are amazing! Had no trouble seeing the notes playing at Expert guitar, bass and vocals, while mostly getting 5 stars. The whole game looks much more beautiful than RB2. If you're colorblind I can understand it being a problem and I really hope there will be a solution in the near future, but otherwise I don't the problem.

By the way, I'm playing on a PS3 on a Sony Bravia 40" HDTV. Again I wanna state that it looks AMAZING and this game is the best game ever. So worth the wait.

[PaulSmart]

I had the same problem. Simple solution is to weat a pair of John Lennon Sunglaesses !

[Mex]

1. Drums don't work until songs starts, you have no way of testing your kit prior to the song like in past games.
3. The note highway seems to expand when hitting the bass drum, I know this sounds odd but it happens and wasn't this way in RB1.2 or AC/DC and the Country Pack.
4. The gold star cutoff's are insanely high for gold stars on all instruments it's almost impossible to gold star some songs without having a full combo..

1. Actually that's not true. If you hit the drum pads before the song starts there is no noise but you can see the ...what do you call them...the onscreen buttons I guess...moving up and down. So you CAN test your kit. Sort of like pressing the frets on guitar before the song starts.

3. I haven't noticed this at all. Is it an optical illusion maybe?

4. They are high yeah. I figure they did that because the difficulty on these songs aren't all that high. I also figured people would support the cutoff being higher since there is such a demand for a "challenge".

EDIT:

Also I had no problems with the note highway or notes blending into things. I guess it depends on your TV/ability to perceive color. Having said that, a patch would be great for the folks that are having problems.

[Finnulf]

I had the same problem. Simple solution is to weat a pair of John Lennon Sunglaesses !

LOL! Awesome, I'm going to start suggesting this to people who come over. :)

I salute you!

[Wimbernuts]

I have a problem with this on Bass.

Bass Groove + Beatlemania + 4 Player Multiplay + Pastels = OH GOD I CANT SEE SPIT.

Definitely this ^ for me. The combination of the 4 makes seeing the notes VERY difficult; I just don't see how anyone could deny that. And no I'm not colorblind. Even with that said, the game is incredible and will by no means prevent me from playing all day today :D

[jenjen961]

My wife, son, and I were all having a hard time seeing the note higways clearly. I think that the color choices and the fact that the highway is more transparent (to see more of the videos) made it a lot harder. Green during Beatlemania is almost invisible. I do not have an LCD or Plasma, so my TV could be part of the problem, but I don't plan on getting a new TV just to play this game, when RB2 looks just fine on my 60" Rear Projection.

I guess I was a little disappointed. Yeah the backgrounds are cool and all, but when I play, I expect to be able to play and I don't really look at the backgrounds.

[delstar]

Blah, blah..."this game is too easy"..."there's no challenge"..."it makes the game hard when it's difficult to read the notes. I hate it. Make it easier to play"...blah, blah.

Maybe they did that on purpose to add a bit of difficulty...always complainers on the internet.

Call me a whiner or old fashion, but not being able to see the notes on the chart because you're color blind or old enough that your vision isn't as sharp as it once was hardly falls in the useless complaining category. If anything, it shouldn't be hailed as a "feature" to make the game more challenging. If you think it's too easy, turn your tv off, let me know if it works out for ya :)

[PCTraitor]

I didn't have any problems. I have a 38" CRT. I wear glasses and my vision isn't the greatest, but I just concentrate on the charts and I can see everything. I guess I don't have the eye problems some people have.

I do have a feeling many people are exagerrating their issues as is always the case.

[onduvalst]

I love the new color scheme! The regular one makes my eyes burn after a couple songs while drumming, this is a lot more pleasing to me.

[oRabbit]

I made comments earlier in this thread about people complaining before I played the game myself.

After playing the game for hours straight, I have no idea what people are talking about (aside from those with the color-blindness issues). I could see everything perfectly and didn't miss any of the notes due to not seeing them. I was even playing and singing at the same time (neither of which I'm excellent at) for the first time and could pick the notes up while not even focusing on them. The colors are great. They go with the game perfect...the bass combo in purple with the Beatlemania is the only place it got somewhat difficult, but still no problems.

My only guess is that it's the tv people are playing on. Maybe the red/green in their sets is configured wrong. Even if there was no problems with RB2...you may have to recalibrate your tv to this game since it's obviously a different color scheme.


I love the new color scheme! The regular one makes my eyes burn after a couple songs while drumming, this is a lot more pleasing to me.
^^This

[tpalen7]

I made comments earlier in this thread about people complaining before I played the game myself.

After playing the game for hours straight, I have no idea what people are talking about (aside from those with the color-blindness issues). I could see everything perfectly and didn't miss any of the notes due to not seeing them. I was even playing and singing at the same time (neither of which I'm excellent at) for the first time and could pick the notes up while not even focusing on them. The colors are great. They go with the game perfect...the bass combo in purple with the Beatlemania is the only place it got somewhat difficult, but still no problems.

My only guess is that it's the tv people are playing on. Maybe the red/green in their sets is configured wrong. Even if there was no problems with RB2...you may have to recalibrate your tv to this game since it's obviously a different color scheme.


^^This

Enough from you fan boy. It's pretty obvious that if people are complaining about the note charts, something is wrong. This was NEVER an issue with RB1 or RB2. In fact, people loved how the notes appeared and how different it was from GH. This game reminds me so much of GH I had trouble playing it. The drum rolls are packed together and its hard to distinguish notes. The green lane leading up to the overdrive is transparent. By the time I noticed it, I didn't have enough time to know if I should use it or not, hence I was blindly using overdrive. Then when it's activated, good luck seeing the notes. The game itself is ok. It's more of a history lesson regarding the Beatles, which is I suppose what it was meant to be, but I'm not that interested in the Beatles and their history. I'm not Ringo. I'm a gamer and the game needs to come first, and clearly, the game comes second to the story. Anyway, I quit after a few hours and jumped back to RB:2 with it's smooth and clear graphics.

[onduvalst]

I'm playing on a 46 inch Samsung LCD and I honestly think after reading back through this thread that the issue is TV related. I understand that some of you may be colorblind and thats one problem, but I honestly think the others should try adjusting their TV's contrast, sharpness, brightness and R/G saturation.

[TurboStitchCW]

6. I Want You (She's So Heavy)? Yeah, have you not heard the song before or something?

I hadn't heard the song before (not a beatles fan), but once everything came back up, I realized it was probably part of the song...like when Ringo says "I've got blisters on my hands!!!" after Helter Skelter...all was good in the world again.

[TurboStitchCW]

I DID get distracted at times watching the dreamscapes :D
I haven't really dug too far into the game, but is there no fail mode and performance mode on this one?

I actually want to watch the dreamscapes without having to worry about a note chart

[CantStopTheHopp]

I'm playing on a 46 inch Samsung LCD and I honestly think after reading back through this thread that the issue is TV related. I understand that some of you may be colorblind and thats one problem, but I honestly think the others should try adjusting their TV's contrast, sharpness, brightness and R/G saturation.

I'm thinking the TV's are partially to blame too. I have a 32" Samsung LCD and everything looks fine to me. With a little adjusting, colors can be changed dramatically.

[UWMadona]

the bass pedal on drums is impossible to see when you are on bealtemania.. Its really difficult.

[wickedbadz]

Well this thread is getting 0 assistance off Harmonix. It's rather obvious there is a issue and it affects people who are color blind only. Adjusting the TV will do nothing at all to solve this issue as people are suggesting. Basically color blind people will have difficulty with this game and nothing will change that. That being said there should at the least be a warning on the packaging about the color issue or a correction made to the game.

As far as the issues with not be able to hear the drums and bass and the comments of "Do you think they'd let you ruin The Beatles" Well how is me being allowed to hear my drum kit ruining the Beatles? This feature was in every Rock Band title to date and removed in The Beatles, why was that?

This isn't no fanboy thing either, if I was a GH fanboy do you think I'd have purchased all the DLC I have for RB1 and RB2? I love the RB series, I'm just struggling with the colors and unability to hear my drums with this game. The changes that got made are for the worse not the better of the title. I have never seen 1 post or complaint about seeing colors or hearing instruments in any other RB title until this one so it's not just me.

[tpalen7]

Couldn't agree more. ^^^^ It's obvious it's much lighter and not as crisp. Changing the setting on my TV, as suggested is ridiculous. Funny, I don't have to change settings for any other game. RB2 looks beautiful. Granted I only have a 1080i TV, but are people suggesting that the only way to play the game as intended is to own a full 1080p LCD? Come on. If that's the case, HMX dropped the ball. The game has to be playable for the vast majority. And who cares about the dreamscapes. I'm worried about playing the game, not concentrating on the background. There is something wrong when people start saying they want to play no fail to watch the background. It's a rhythm game, not rhythm movie.

[Sargehalo51]

I have trouble every once in a while when I have Beatlemania deployed, but I am sure I will get used to it eventually.

[Kigalas]

It took a bit for me to adjust to the size of the 'highway' more than the colors. My friend was playing bass and whined about not being able to see the green notes...but he also tried a top tier song on bass and whined "this is the hardest stuff on the game?", but he's not much of a Beatles fan anyways, and kind of an idiot.

Kig

[Punk_Floyd76]

I've played the game on 3 different tv's(from the absolute worst old school tv to top line LCD and plasma screens) and I didn't notice a problem. Not sure what the problem is but don't blame harmonix because they neglected to hire a colorblind game tester.

[tpalen7]

I've played the game on 3 different tv's(from the absolute worst old school tv to top line LCD and plasma screens) and I didn't notice a problem. Not sure what the problem is but don't blame harmonix because they neglected to hire a colorblind game tester.

LOL. Though I don't agree, the colorblind game tester is funny. Well said.

[quida03]

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If you don't know the beatles music well enough to play it on expert with your eyes closed and the sound off you have no business playing this game.

But seriously I ralphed all over my drum kit the first time I played it. Is anyone interested in a slightly used kit?

I love the artistry of the visuals, but it is unplayable for me.:eek:

[fleamonkey]

well harmonix got me for 2 copys for the ps3. Lol Scared to give my gf her copy now cause she already gets terrible migraines and well i cant play it cause of colorblind to a degree. One of the main reasons i went with rb over gh was the board and tabs. I can see the rb ones not usually the gh ones. Now brb is useing the same bar and i am again not able to play it. Ill be cautious now before buying anyother rb game. As the saying goes. Buyer beware.

[MK-82_1_each]

For PS3 users: I looked at my display settings on the PS3 and noted that
RGB Full Range (HDMI) was set to limited instead of full. The default setting was limited. I have a 40" Samsung LCD and this seemed to help, with the exception of loosing track of red/yellow during Beatlemania. Other than that, this might help those having this problem on PS3.

[Magnet]

I'm partially color-blind (mostly red-green) and I can pretty much see everything now that I've gotten used to the new look. The only problem I have from time to time is the bass pedal lines. There have been a few occasions where I've missed one or a couple because I simply didn't see them in time.

Also, I find it much more difficult than in RB2 for some reason to see fast rolls on drums and try to figure out how fast I should be going. The look of those notes being grouped up like that makes it hard for me to decipher on-the-fly. I'm thinking Super Speed might be helpful in that regard, but I usually don't play with it on.

[santoron]

Enlightening thread... and it would be nice to see HMX respond, or heck even acknowledge they saw the topic.

I got the game yesterday and brought it over to a friend's house that I play regularly with for our RB2 band. He made these same complaints right away... and I completely ignored him. (He didn't seem to be in the greatest mood, I thought he was just being a tad pissy.) After we got around 7 songs into the story, he quit. Said his head hurt trying to see the notes... and once again I put it all down to BS and a poor attitude. I had no issues at all seeing on his 60" 1080p DLP, and since I was still pumped to play, I took my ball and went home!;)

Since then, I've completed the entire story mode, and have replayed around 20 more songs (and when my wife gives up the TV I'll be playing more :rolleyes:). I've had zero issues with the notes on my 42" 1080p LCD, and I had almost forgotten my wussy bassist until seeing this. Now I'm starting to understand this may well be a rather niche, but at the same time, widespread occurance.

I'm going to guess since this didn't come up in play testing, and that reviewers haven't commented on the issue, that this affects a rather small percentage of players, but also won't get nailed down to an equipment failure, or even medical condition. Some people's brains hurt looking at the screen and that's that.

The Awesomeness is Literally Blinding Them. :p

So, what I'm wondering of you having problems... what would it take to remedy the issue? Would a black background behind the notecharts fix things for you? Or would a solution require more tinkering to make it playable? Note that I'm not asking what your dream notechart looks like, just what would be needed so you can see the notes and play the game.

I have great respect for Harmonix and their commitment to delivering and supporting top notch products. I'm not ready to throw them under a bus for what appears to be an unforeseeable issue, and I'll bet that we hear from someone soon with an official response.


If not, THEN we get the torches and Pitchforks! :eek:

[JRuss]

Greens during Beatlemania/overdrive are pretty tough to see.

[Baanu_Rass]

I tried completely screwing up my TV and it seemed to make it easier to see things on bass/guitar. Didn't try it on drums where most of my problems were. I also think my problem on drums is that I have to watch pretty closely since Ringo's so ADD that he can play a consistent beat.

[Zebracakes]

I do have to say, after a couple days I don't have any real problems with the new design and colors. I do have a 48 inch HDTV though and can imagine it could be much more difficult on smaller tvs, and for people suffering from color blindness. Overall though I have much more of a problem seeing with OD on playing with a full band on RB2, that can be nearly impossible to see at times...

[dannyjo22]

I detest the new colours, I've had a couple of days playing and activating the beatlemania has me missing notes on the green. They are so hard for me to see until the last minute.

If they do a game like this again or RB3 and think of going near these colours again I'd want them to give options on the highway colours.

[Daytripped]

The problem isn't the color, it's like the style.

[Lawl01]

I've had this game since Wednesday and I have yet adjust. Playing drums while BM is activated in band quickplay is a PITA, I always end up missing notes. Well, at least I'm able to see the notes better on drums than on bass..

[AthenaBast]

What got me was going into Beatlemania or after the white notes and the highway flashed, I always lost track of any kick pedal hits.

[JackBNimble]

32" LCD screen here, and I had no problems distinguishing notes in a 4 1/2 hour sitting...although I DID get distracted at times watching the dreamscapes :D

Well I'm on a 42" LCD screen and I do have problems but mostly when I am in overdrive and when more overdrive notes are scrolling down the screen.

Either way you look at it this shouldn't be an issue. I think there definitely needs to be some sort of fix , because there definitely is a problem.

[tw1l1ght]

I just finished the tour on exp guitar for the 24h achievement... OMG, this was an experience I never ever need again. :/

Adjusted my projectors brightness, contrast and juggled on all available color settings to get the picture more suitable for me (partly colorblind).
Heck, I even wore sunglasses while playing, and still playing the game was nearly impossible when beatlemania or dreamscenes kicked in, I simply couldn't spot a lot of notes.
I'm a pretty decent guitarist (507 goldstars in RB2) and was going for an FGFC of RB:TB, but these couple of hours were a really ugly shredfest, having fun while playing is something different.

Guess I'll sell the game for now with the option of buying it again as soon as there is some kind of fix for us "impaired" players.

[T-Hybrid]

Am I the only one thats disoriented with the colors and note highway? Missing notes and losing my place in the song at times. The game would've been perfect keeping the RB2 highway style.
I've had some problems, especially when playing multiplayer. There's a few times the Bass Groove purple has sorta messed things up too.

[JackBNimble]

I've had some problems, especially when playing multiplayer. There's a few times the Bass Groove purple has sorta messed things up too.

I found the purple back ground with bass grove helped me see the notes better , but that's just me though.

[T-Hybrid]

I found the purple back ground with bass grove helped me see the notes better , but that's just me though.
It depends on the background. It doesn't really get confusing until the Dreamscapes start.


I've had the game almost a week I'm not used to it. I'm not even touching the game again until it's patched. If its not patched the game is gone.
Overreaction FTL.

[ghostofjarjar]

I went back to RB2 last night to try out this week's DLC. What a breath of fresh air, the subtlety really does make a difference for optimal gameplay.

[Cliphead]

1. Drums don't work until songs starts, you have no way of testing your kit prior to the song like in past games.
2. You cannot tell if you're playing drums or not because the drum notes make little to no sound.
3. The note highway seems to expand when hitting the bass drum, I know this sounds odd but it happens and wasn't this way in RB1.2 or AC/DC and the Country Pack.
4. The gold star cutoff's are insanely high for gold stars on all instruments it's almost impossible to gold star some songs without having a full combo.
5. The Xbox Headset is unsupported as a Microphone.
6. The Whammy has 0 effect on the songs, you have no idea if you are whammy'n or not.
7. One song, I forget offhand exactly which one totally ends instantly on the last note like a major glitch or something in the game.
1. You can see that area above the Overdrive meter bounce just like if you overhit. If you can select a song, chances are your drums are fine.
2. I don't drum often, but the drums seem to be no less audible here than in Rock Band 2, which is more of an issue with the drum controller being a bit too loud when you hit it.
3. It's probably an optical illusion that's only affected on your TV, since I'm not quite sure what you're talking about.
6. I'm pretty sure this was intentional. Not sure why (probably the same reason they changed Starr Power on drums), though I always found whammying pointless outside of Overdrive notes.
7. If it's "I Want You (She's So Heavy)," that's how it ends on the record. If it's "Hey Bulldog," it ends with John saying "Quiet!" so it was probably intentional. I'm not sure what other songs end abruptly, but it's probably nothing that can be patched.

And who cares about the dreamscapes. I'm worried about playing the game, not concentrating on the background. There is something wrong when people start saying they want to play no fail to watch the background. It's a rhythm game, not rhythm movie.
That people want to look at the dreamscapes is a GOOD thing. It just means they did an great job with the backdrops and people want to get a better look at that. It has nothing to do with the playability of the game.

Anyway, I have a 27" standard definition TV and I never thought anything of the note highways on guitar, bass, or even what little I've played of the drums. My only complaint is that on vocals, it's hard to see the how much of the pie is filled when there's a multiplier going, and it's hard to read the detailed vocal results.

[ULS_980]

The only time I have ever had problems is on drums while in overdrive during a dreamscape AND there was a section where the notes were white for more overdrive.

Those white notes where absolutely impossible to see unless you know exactly when and where they are.

Can't remember which song it was, but it annoyed me.
Other than that and getting used to the colors, I haven't really had any problems.

Edit: Forgot about Shea Stadium (I believe) with the really light blue tinge to it. Can get tough to see some of the notes during those songs as well. Once you get used to it, it's not bad, but it took a while first time I played that section

[Mickey Buns]

Listen to the music not the highway....is that a Doobie Brothers song, I think so ;)

[T-Hybrid]

May I ask how you've had this game for almost a week if it was released today?
BUSTED!


1. Drums don't work until songs starts, you have no way of testing your kit prior to the song like in past games.
Not a bug. This is for the same reason that there are no added percussion notes, drum fills, whammy distortion, guitar effects, or BREs.


2. You cannot tell if you're playing drums or not because the drum notes make little to no sound.
The drum makes plenty of sound. It's called the song. And you can tell you're playing drums because...well...you're playing the drums.


3. The note highway seems to expand when hitting the bass drum, I know this sounds odd but it happens and wasn't this way in RB1.2 or AC/DC and the Country Pack.
Actually it was that way in RB1, 2, the AC/DC pack and the Country Pack. It's the visual cue that lets you know you've hit a drum note correctly. You've probably been playing too much Guitar Hero lately...which just flashes the bass drum note instead of bouncing the chart.


4. The gold star cutoff's are insanely high for gold stars on all instruments it's almost impossible to gold star some songs without having a full combo.
"Waaaah this game is challenging" is not a bug.


5. The Xbox Headset is unsupported as a Microphone.
We're more than halfway through the list and you've hit your first actual "issue".


6. The Whammy has 0 effect on the songs, you have no idea if you are whammy'n or not.
See #1. And you can tell you're whammying because well...you're pressing the whammy, and the note still shows the "distortion" visual cue from previous RB titles.


7. One song, I forget offhand exactly which one totally ends instantly on the last note like a major glitch or something in the game.
That "major glitch" you are describing is called "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" which Lennon specifically edited to have that abrupt ending.


Are you going to patch the note highway? Seems to be the topic here, which you totally overlooked. As of right now I'd sooner a refund than have paid $59.99 + tax for this game that is terrible at best simply because of the note highway.
LASTRESORTITIS RETURNS! I love the overreaction and demands for instant satisfaction.

But maybe you've learned your lesson and next time you won't rush out and buy a game somehow a week early before it's had a chance to get into the community.

Heck, judging from some of your complaints...I'm almost certain that you didn't even bother reading any sort of hands-on, preliminary media demos...or ANYTHING about this game before buying it.

But at least you got it a week early right?

[dark_quota]

My eyes do get a bit strained after playing for a while, a bit more so than RB 2, but I can see the notes well. Also, I do sometimes have a bit of trouble distinguishing notes with either the bass purple highway or the beatlemania highway with some dreamscapes. I can see how some could have problems, but I don't know how they would fix this since it goes along perfectly with the art style and changing it would make it look odd. I'd rather have it look like it does now than it does in RB 2 since the look of this game is so great. I guess they could make the highway more solid, but I don't know.

Also, I'm truly sorry for those who can't play because of this since it is an awesome game and I hope a solution can be found so you guys can enjoy it.

[T-Hybrid]

Depending on how the assests are processed, it's possible that the "solution" would be some kind of opacity setting for the highway. With the minimum being the current look and the max being totally opague.

[Apples]

I have a 60 inch TV and I stand like 3 feet away from it to insure I don't miss anything. There contrast between the pastel colors and the backgrounds is not a lot. At my usual viewing distance of 8 to 10 feet I was missing too frequently.

[dark_quota]

Depending on how the assests are processed, it's possible that the "solution" would be some kind of opacity setting for the highway. With the minimum being the current look and the max being totally opague.

Yeah, that would be nice, especially if it had more than two settings like you're suggesting. You could find the setting that's natural for your eyes and you would be ready to play without suffering from fatigue or from decreased uniformity of the visuals.

[T-Hybrid]

I have a 60 inch TV and I stand like 3 feet away from it to insure I don't miss anything. There contrast between the pastel colors and the backgrounds is not a lot. At my usual viewing distance of 8 to 10 feet I was missing too frequently.
I have a 24 inch TV and I don't have much of a problem on single player or two instruments (not vocals). It gets a bit tricky with three charts.

But it's not NEARLY as bad as GH's forced letterbox.

[Whiplash]

Sure you can ask, I purchased the game at a local store. As I have in the past with some other games.

Are you going to patch the note highway? Seems to be the topic here, which you totally overlooked. As of right now I'd sooner a refund than have paid $59.99 + tax for this game that is terrible at best simply because of the note highway.

Saying the game is terrible at best because you personally have trouble seeing the highways is a piss poor attitude and it's not surprising that a HMX rep hasn't given you a straight answer. People like to hear a bit of courtesy and don't really respond people who immediately threaten to return their product if their specific complaint is addressed immediately. Calm down.

Like others have said, this is a problem that is affecting a small part of the community, I'd guess around 10%. If you know that you are colorblind, well, I'm sorry. Playing a game designed around hitting colored gems that features bright, colorful graphics is, surprisingly, not a great fit for people who are colorblind. I know they designed their past games around people with that problem, so hopefully if the problem is widespread enough they will add some kind of fix or warning to the package.

[qoute]1. Drums don't work until songs starts, you have no way of testing your kit prior to the song like in past games.[/quote]

This IS kind of annoying, but you can still test your pads in the freestyle drum trainer.


2. You cannot tell if you're playing drums or not because the drum notes make little to no sound.

What? You mean the sound for missed notes? I haven't heard a complaint from anyone else about the drum track being too soft, if anything I think Ringo's hi hat and rider cymbal hits are easier to hear than in most other games.


3. The note highway seems to expand when hitting the bass drum, I know this sounds odd but it happens and wasn't this way in RB1.2 or AC/DC and the Country Pack.

It's a stylistic choice that's supposed to make you feel like the bass pedal is really putting some oomph into the song. It's not a bug.


4. The gold star cutoff's are insanely high for gold stars on all instruments it's almost impossible to gold star some songs without having a full combo.

Again, since it was so easy to get gold stars in RB2 and this uses the basic framework of the game, it should be assumed that this was a design decision, probably to balance out the fact that so many of the songs are easy to FC. I do agree that the GS cutoff for bass could stand to be lowered a bit, though.


5. The Xbox Headset is unsupported as a Microphone.

This is unfortunate and should have been discussed more before the game came out, but it's probably because harmonies require a lot more precision to be able to hit three parts at once and thus need better quality mics.


6. The Whammy has 0 effect on the songs, you have no idea if you are whammy'n or not.

This has been known for a long time, and is a design decision. They wanted the tracks to be affected as little as possible, so they disabled whammying, adding tambourine hits, and freestyle drum fills in songs. It still works on overdrive phrases, though.

You can still tell if you are whammying or not by simply looking at the sustained note on the screen to see if the line is fluctuating. Or you could, you know, just think to yourself "am I pressing the whammy bar?". If you are, and if you know it works in other games, then yes. You are whammying.


7. One song, I forget offhand exactly which one totally ends instantly on the last note like a major glitch or something in the game.

That song is I Want You (She's So Heavy), and it's SUPPOSED to end like that. Listen to the song on the album, that's exactly how it ends. The sudden change to black is also deliberate. It's an excellent effect.


As far as the issues with not be able to hear the drums and bass and the comments of "Do you think they'd let you ruin The Beatles" Well how is me being allowed to hear my drum kit ruining the Beatles? This feature was in every Rock Band title to date and removed in The Beatles, why was that?

Because it's adding unnecessary noise to the beginning of the song that doesn't match the noise of the actual drums in the song. It's a decision that I can see going either way on. Personally I also liked to drum stuff out before a song started to hear how I was hitting the pads, but it's still no big loss to me. It's only for this particular game, and it doesn't detract enough from the overall experience to even be worth considering, to me.

Whether it was a choice by HMX or The Beatles, it's something that has been known for a while, and for better or worse it appears to be there to stay.

[Cephiros]

For all those people who say the people have issues just need to deal with it or get used to it need to stop. I've noticed the issues with the dreamscapes and beatlemania making me miss notes or lose my place. The other two people I played with noticed the same thing.

Regardless of that fact, I do enjoy the art and the music of the game. I already know I'm not going to get most of the achievements but I wish I could see better.

[LankanLatino]

first time i played it on drums, with beatlemania going
the note highway goes gold and the bass pedal note is gold aswell
i was like oh boy gh:wt all over again
but i got used to it after a while

[filcool1234]

Yes, they should have made it easier too see the notes for people with b&w TVs

hope harmonix will change this

Who the f*ck still has a Black and white TV? You problably would not be able to connect a 360 on it... And were not in 1980... It was in colour

I dont have that problem, and anyways, ive been playing rb for so long(drums) that all notes could be any colour it wouldn't change anything to me...

[Ospero]

Who the f*ck still has a Black and white TV? You problably would not be able to connect a 360 on it... And were not in 1980... It was in colour

I dont have that problem, and anyways, ive been playing rb for so long(drums) that all notes could be any colour it wouldn't change anything to me...

Yay for not getting irony.

I don't have a problem with distinguishing the notes, personally. The only strange thing I noticed is that it's quite difficult to tell whether or not a given green guitar note is a hammer-on while playing. Perhaps it's just my eyes having trouble to adjust, but I see almost no difference between regular and HOPO on green.

[Whiplash]

For all those people who say the people have issues just need to deal with it or get used to it need to stop. I've noticed the issues with the dreamscapes and beatlemania making me miss notes or lose my place. The other two people I played with noticed the same thing.

I think it's unfortunate that a portion of the community is having a problem with it, but I also think it's stupid to say the entire game sucks because a game based around matching up colors isn't geared towards the colorblind. Not saying you are doing this personally, but others have done it.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Why can't you just match up a fret to its location on the scroll? That's what I do. I don't even pay attention to the colors.

[NightBirdDS]

Being someone that has less than stellar vision I'm finding that the choice of colors for the note charts is causing me to miss a lot. I've had the game since launch and I just can't get used to it. I'm at the point now where I dread using Beatlemania because the wavies make Greens, Reds, Blues, and Oranges very difficult for me to see.

The colors on the Vocal chart are not great either. The background for the pitch line hurts my eyes.

I'm hoping that you guys over there at HMX might put out a patch that'd give us the option to use RB2 colors. It'd make my experience with the game a lot nicer. As it is, I love the songs, but find that I'm not enjoying playing the game since I'm missing notes that I normally wouldn't.

[KISSfan84]

Sorry, but to all of you saying this is a problem only for those who are colorblind, it's not. I have perfect vision and some notes on bass are difficult to see with multiple players, bonus multipliers, and Beatlemania activated. I have not noticed this problem on the other instruments, just bass. Having said that, I still find that the game is simply beautiful and fun to play. My 8 year old son is now a complete Beatlemaniac!
:cool:

[NightBirdDS]

Why can't you just match up a fret to its location on the scroll? That's what I do. I don't even pay attention to the colors.

In my case it's not the color that's a problem, but rather the contrast between them. Stuff blends in too much and I miss noties because I don't see the note coming.

[NightBirdDS]

Sorry, but to all of you saying this is a problem only for those who are colorblind, it's not. I have perfect vision and some notes on bass are difficult to see with multiple players, bonus multipliers, and Beatlemania activated. I have not noticed this problem on the other instruments, just bass. Having said that, I still find that the game is simply beautiful and fun to play. My 8 year old son is now a complete Beatlemaniac!
:cool:

It happens on Guitar too to me. I agree with you, this game is fantastic, but this is a usability issue that I hope Harmonix does decide to address. It couldn't be too difficult to add an option to change to Classic colors for Note and Vocal charts.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

In my case it's not the color that's a problem, but rather the contrast between them. Stuff blends in too much and I miss noties because I don't see the note coming.

I only have that problem when I use Beatlemania/Overdrive, but I see where you're coming from.

[NightBirdDS]

I only have that problem when I use Beatlemania/Overdrive, but I see where you're coming from.

Yeah exactly, Beatlemania is a killer for me. I think that's the case for a lot of people.

The thing about this to keep in mind, and I'm going to give HMX a pass on this because this issue is something that may not have come up in their testing. They can't possibly have the game looked at by everyone with varying vision, so now that the game's out people tell them that this is a problem. We'll see what they do, but Harmonix doesn't seem like the kind of company that'd leave something like this unfixed.

[JackBNimble]

Why can't you just match up a fret to its location on the scroll? That's what I do. I don't even pay attention to the colors.

It's not a matter of location if you don't see some of the notes scrolling..

[Scopitone]

I feel fine

[monkeyfish]

It kind of sucks that the only HMX rep to grace our presence in the issue only asked how a person received a copy of the game early. -_- This is clearly an issue worth addressing and not some nitpicking by a select minority.

Personally, I have little troubles reading the note. At worst, the green is a little difficult to see when I'm in a solo + Beatlemania is on, and the activation does make the path a smidge TOO bright for my taste. It's by no means a game-killer, but that's just me in the group that isn't affected as much. It must be kinda lame to mess up a streak because your eyes don't register a note...

[CONAN9845]

All three members of our band have the same complaints.

The game is beautiful. It's vibrant and clean. I think they wanted you to be able to see more of the actual background, so they made the highway more translucent. Couple that with the new Beatlemania OD presentation, and I'm losing notes all over the place.

"Oh, that wasn't a hammer-on? What the ****?"

[ElvisChapelGuy]

I also have trouble on bass and drums, when in Beatlemania. I miss notes I simply couldn't see.

[skyjumper]

I do find that while playing some of the dreamscape songs, while in Beatlemania, the glowing white hammer ons and pull off notes on the orange and green lanes can pass you by without even noticing they are there. There is one part in one specific song that i have completely missed three notes while in Beatlemania t rmore than once but I can'emember what it is.

[T-Hybrid]

It kind of sucks that the only HMX rep to grace our presence in the issue only asked how a person received a copy of the game early. -_- This is clearly an issue worth addressing and not some nitpicking by a select minority.
The fact an HMX rep commented in the thread at all tells you they're reading it.

What do you want them to say aside from "We'll look into it?" Do you think they're going to see this thread and have a patch out the next day?

I thought the forums had cleansed themselves of Lastresortitis.

[monkeyfish]

The fact an HMX rep commented in the thread at all tells you they're reading it.

What do you want them to say aside from "We'll look into it?" Do you think they're going to see this thread and have a patch out the next day?

I thought the forums had cleansed themselves of Lastresortitis.

Yeah, that points out that a rep has read it, and picked out a completely different thing to ask about. Do they give us a list of questions to answer, as they've done with the shaky arrow glitch? Is there a sticky on the subject? They do a great job and everything, don't get me wrong, but this does need some looking into.

I remember a thread where a HMX guy replied within the first two pages, and the issue was...the sharp edges of one of the Beatles guitars. -_- If they can scope that out, then a little more (apparent) effort would be nice here. I've no doubt they're reading this, but an official reply would put a lot more people at ease. Even Last Resort was being "looked into."

[aspushkin]

I haven't read every post, so apologies if this has been mentioned: According to wikipedia 5-8% of the male population is colorblind. Seems pretty significant to me.

[JackBNimble]

I haven't read every post, so apologies if this has been mentioned: According to wikipedia 5-8% of the male population is colorblind. Seems pretty significant to me.

No offence dude but this issue has nothing to do with color blindness.

[evillvi]

well hopefully somebody at hmx has something to say this week about this issue. a setting to use the rb2 highway or the tb:rb highway would be an easy fix that everybody could be happy with,agreed?

[aspushkin]

No offence dude but this issue has nothing to do with color blindness.

Point taken. I haven't experienced any of the total loss of notes that some people are complaining of, but the notes are definitely more difficult to pick up than in RB2 for me. And I don't think I'm color blind.

[aspushkin]

well hopefully somebody at hmx has something to say this week about this issue. a setting to use the rb2 highway or the tb:rb highway would be an easy fix that everybody could be happy with,agreed?

I highly doubt that this would be possible to do through a patch. Even if it worked it would look HORRIBLE. The only solution (which obviously isn't going to happen) is to allow export of the tracks to RB2.

[KISSfan84]

I highly doubt that this would be possible to do through a patch. Even if it worked it would look HORRIBLE. The only solution (which obviously isn't going to happen) is to allow export of the tracks to RB2.

DING, DING, DING!
And there it is...we couldn't get through this thread without someone bringing exportation into the fray. Where do you guys keep coming from?
:cool:

[ArchangelZero]

DING, DING, DING!
And there it is...we couldn't get through this thread without someone bringing exportation into the fray. Where do you guys keep coming from?
:cool:

Why can't the world just let the export thing slide already? It's not gonna happen, don't even mention it...

[lucaspaul22]

I've never missed a note in The Beatles: Rock Band beacause of the reason that you describe.

[Cephiros]

I think it's unfortunate that a portion of the community is having a problem with it, but I also think it's stupid to say the entire game sucks because a game based around matching up colors isn't geared towards the colorblind. Not saying you are doing this personally, but others have done it.

I concur, I'm still playing the game. I don't have as much of an issue when it's jut me playing the game. In addition, I don't think my money was wasted on this game. I enjoy it very much.

However, when this many people show worries about similar issues on various different televisions (HD & SD) then I would hope Harmonix would at least take a look into it.

[Ehfahq]

Am I the only one thats disoriented with the colors and note highway? Missing notes and losing my place in the song at times. The game would've been perfect keeping the RB2 highway style.

I havent had a single problem. Ive played the game all the way through on expert drums and guitar and didnt loose track once.

[Headcase]

I was at first, but after awhile my eyes adjusted and everything was fun.

Same. For the record, I use a 27 inch SDTV, solo. Haven't played the game in a big group yet.

I kinda wish they have that colour scheme as an option in RB2 (and a third, grayer "metal" scheme as well)

Pretty sure they shortened the highway too, so that might be distracting some people, especially on superspeed.

[Spoot_Lepedus]

I thought the only flaw i the game was the difficult-to-read highway. I wish they had done more to improve visibility; this had to have been an obvious flaw. I did get somewhat used to it, but I still miss notes because I don't see them. When the background is extra busy and I engage overdrive, I flying bling for a second or two everytime. Kind of a bummer. Otherwise, really enjoyed it,

[oRabbit]

Just a question for those having problems: Do you have any problems seeing notes passing by while watching the gameplay videos on youtube or review sites? Do you have problems seeing the notes in still images of gameplay footage? Are there any reports of hard to read notes from the gaming conventions where HMX set up thier own systems?

It just seems that this would've come up a long time ago when people were watching all the early released footage...yet I didn't hear anything about it until people had the games on their tv sets.

[wickedbadz]

The issue cannot be corrected with changing TV's or TV Settings, it's a color blind issue and Harmonix I'm sure was well aware of it, hence why there is no reply to the topic because it cannot be corrected.

[Trogdon]

it made my eyes bleed

[DanB91]

What do you want them to say aside from "We'll look into it?"



Would be much better than not saying anything all (or replying to the thread with a completely off topic post)

[Sargehalo51]

Am I the only one thats disoriented with the colors and note highway? Missing notes and losing my place in the song at times. The game would've been perfect keeping the RB2 highway style.

This continues to be a problem for myself and the guys who are in my band. We were all saying on Sunday (our band get together day) that we wished the RB2 highway had been kept.

[sozozoso]

I found it hard and even after playing it almost non stop since Wed. I still find it a bit hard. I wouldn't want to see this in RB3 but for The Beatles game I think its fine.

[JackBNimble]

The issue cannot be corrected with changing TV's or TV Settings, it's a color blind issue and Harmonix I'm sure was well aware of it, hence why there is no reply to the topic because it cannot be corrected.

It is not a color blind issue !

[wickedbadz]

Doesn't matter what the issue is, it cannot be patched. Wii cannot recieve patches, they'd have to replace the game and that won't happen.

[ghostofjarjar]

Doesn't matter what the issue is, it cannot be patched. Wii cannot recieve patches, they'd have to replace the game and that won't happen.
RB2 WILL be patched, Wii can't get that one either so what's your point?

[Whiplash]

I doubt they're replace Wii versions already sold, but they'd probably replace the copies still in stores or at least include some kind of voucher to send the game in to get a new copy with new purchases of the game.

Also probably at this point, their best bet would be to release a patch that allows you to just straight up disable Beatlemania fretboard effects. It seems like the easiest option as opposed to bringing in people with different types of colorblindness/vision problems/TV/whatever to test different color combos.

[ghostofjarjar]

Also probably at this point, their best bet would be to release a patch that allows you to just straight up disable Beatlemania fretboard effects. It seems like the easiest option as opposed to bringing in people with different types of colorblindness/vision problems/TV/whatever to test different color combos.
Or just add the RB2 highway. I haven't seen any complaints for it.

[Whiplash]

Or just add the RB2 highway. I haven't seen any complaints for it.

It would clash with the overall look of the game, especially the vocal highway. Considering the RB2 vocal highway never used harmonies, they'd probably have to do some work on it. Disabling the BM effects seems a lot quicker and easier. People don't seem to complain about the regular highways when BM isn't engaged.

[JackBNimble]

Will HMX even acknowledge there is an issue here?

Is there a possibility for some kind of solution in the future?

[Baanu_Rass]

Just a question for those having problems: Do you have any problems seeing notes passing by while watching the gameplay videos on youtube or review sites? Do you have problems seeing the notes in still images of gameplay footage? Are there any reports of hard to read notes from the gaming conventions where HMX set up thier own systems?

It just seems that this would've come up a long time ago when people were watching all the early released footage...yet I didn't hear anything about it until people had the games on their tv sets.

I watched a couple of drums FCs on youtube and could see it perfectly. However, sometimes in RB2 I have trouble looking at the screen under OD. It's definitely a TV by TV problem though because I am fine on my other TVs.

My solution would be to patch out the whole OD effect. The only things I need to see are my multiplier and the OD gauge.

[preppypoof]

i don't usually post on these threads, but I feel I had to say something here.

There are many things that HMX games have that a large number of users don't like. Those are their personal preferences, and don't really take away from the game; besides, many people may like those particular things. This post is NOT about those types of complaints.

I am red-green color blind. 99.9% of my life is just like anybody else's; I don't even think about my color blindness on most days. However, when I play this (amazing!) game, I have a serious disadvantage.

My biggest problem is that I can not, even in the slightest, tell the difference between the "blue" notes and the white notes that give the user Beatlemania. Believe that I am not exaggerating in the slightest when I say that they look exactly the same.

Other problems I experience are what others say: I drop notes in the highway during a bass groove/Beatlemania combination, I can't tell the difference between the red and green notes, etc...and I've never had any problems like this in any other Rock Band game.

I'm not going to lie and say that I'm thinking about returning this game; it is simply an amazing game. All I'd ask is for an option to change the "pastel" colored notes into the traditional colors. Again, let me stress that this is not because of a preference, it's because it honestly makes me play worse.

Please, Harmonix...at least acknowledge this issue by responding to this thread.

[T-Hybrid]

I'm not color blind, so I won't pretend to know how easy it is...but if you can at least see the notes, does color matter that much? I mean, with the exception of when you are first learning...after that it's more about finger placement and recognizing that your hand has to do a certain *thing* to hit that fifth note over.

Kinda like you don't need to know the bar along the chart is orange to know that you have to kick there.

[drag_racer]

I have absolutely no problem with the note highway. I find it just as easy to read as the normal RB highway. I am playing on a 46" Samsung LCD tv with overscan turned on in the game if that makes a difference.

[ThePaska]

I'm not color blind, so I won't pretend to know how easy it is...but if you can at least see the notes, does color matter that much? I mean, with the exception of when you are first learning...after that it's more about finger placement and recognizing that your hand has to do a certain *thing* to hit that fifth note over.

Kinda like you don't need to know the bar along the chart is orange to know that you have to kick there.
The major problem is when you initiate Beatlemania, because the notehighway changes color, and its hard to distinguish the highway from the red notes often.

I have to say the pastels took some getting used to but wasn't bad.

Being Red/Green colorblind though when I initiate Beatlemania, I have found myself miss some red notes from time to time.

The colors are rough, but I've learned to deal with them for the most part. If HMX went ahead and gave to option to change either the Beatlmania color or the button colors, I would take that option.

[RockBandoleer]

Am I the only one thats disoriented with the colors and note highway? Missing notes and losing my place in the song at times. The game would've been perfect keeping the RB2 highway style.


I don't have any issues solo, but in multiplayer, both here and in RB2, the notes get lost in the highway, especially with Overdrive/Beatlemania and the flashy backgrounds.

But I put that all down to a simulation of the stage lights in my eyes... :o

[wickedbadz]

i don't usually post on these threads, but I feel I had to say something here.

There are many things that HMX games have that a large number of users don't like. Those are their personal preferences, and don't really take away from the game; besides, many people may like those particular things. This post is NOT about those types of complaints.

I am red-green color blind. 99.9% of my life is just like anybody else's; I don't even think about my color blindness on most days. However, when I play this (amazing!) game, I have a serious disadvantage.

My biggest problem is that I can not, even in the slightest, tell the difference between the "blue" notes and the white notes that give the user Beatlemania. Believe that I am not exaggerating in the slightest when I say that they look exactly the same.

Other problems I experience are what others say: I drop notes in the highway during a bass groove/Beatlemania combination, I can't tell the difference between the red and green notes, etc...and I've never had any problems like this in any other Rock Band game.

I'm not going to lie and say that I'm thinking about returning this game; it is simply an amazing game. All I'd ask is for an option to change the "pastel" colored notes into the traditional colors. Again, let me stress that this is not because of a preference, it's because it honestly makes me play worse.

Please, Harmonix...at least acknowledge this issue by responding to this thread.

I have the exact same issues as you stated and I too am colorblind.
It's just amazing how many people are pinning blame on TV's. It has nothing at all to do with the TV at all.
This is a colorblindness issue and people need to simply understand that and stop assuming otherwise.

I think before these posters again start putting blame on TV's and TV settings correcting this issue they should understand what being colorblind means. http://www.colorvisiontesting.com/
Read there. It has nothing to do with TV settings, there is no solution for being colorblind nor no cure so the suggestions of tinkering with the TV solves nothing.

I cannot understand why Harmonix has said nothing of this at all. They had to experience it during testing since being colorblind is pretty common. At the least there should be a warning placed on the package that states this game cannot be seen correctly by colorblind people.