The new Left 4 Dead Campaign

[davidstead]

I am thinking of buying the new left 4 dead campaign Crash Course but I would like to ask if anyone else has got it and if it is worth the 560 point charge? I just want to make sure I get my moneys worth especially when im trying to get back in to Left 4 dead lately.

Thank you :)

[Flawless]

Why would you ask others about something you obviously want to buy?

Isn't that like $8 bucks or something? Just do it.

[hmxhenry]

I don't care how much it costs, I'm going home and shooting everything in the face.

[davidstead]

Im just asking if its worth 560 points id rather not waste my money on a crap campaign......I hated survival mode but at least it was free

[Baanu_Rass]

I've only played the half by myself but it was fun. Should be good for my group because we don't have the attention span to play a full Movie. We always end up team killing each other.

[afterstasis]

i consider the game broken for versus mode with the latest patch, but if you don't mind finding supplies every five steps the maps themselves aren't too bad despite some obvious laziness (numerous glitches are already being reported left and right).

i don't plan on buying the map for xbox, but will probably occasionally play it on the PC but only with frustians or CEVO mods so we're not practically tripping over medkits and weapons.

[BevoTheWarrior]

I don't care how much it costs, I'm going home and shooting everything in the face.

My sentiments exactly. I'm actually going to take a short break from Halo 3: ODST to do some zombie killing.

[Flawless]

I don't care how much it costs, I'm going home and shooting everything in the face.

So that's how you manage living on these boards...

[Baanu_Rass]

So that's how you manage living on these boards...

Every time we post a stupid thread a zombie dies.

[afterstasis]

Every time we post a stupid thread a zombie dies.

so THAT'S why valve decided the game needed to be overloaded with pipes and mollies! :p

[kiggidykev]

I'm torn between this and a week of DLC for Rock Band

[Pwnz0r3d]

If only my steam ID wasnt jacked, i would so rub it all in your faces for getting it for free.

[afterstasis]

If only my steam ID wasnt jacked, i would so rub it all in your faces for getting it for free.

i got it for free and you got your steam ID stolen... haha! :p

[Pwnz0r3d]

Dammit, foiled in my own plan,
well played afterstasis, well played....

[TeamAliceFTW]

I <3 l4d.

[afterstasis]

Dammit, foiled in my own plan,
well played afterstasis, well played....

don't worry... unless you play on modded CEVO/frustian servers the game's turned to poo.
i played a quick pub versus game earlier and despite getting 7 incaps on the first map all 4 survivors still made it with a 130+ health bonus...
i literally lost count of how many medkits/pills they were given, not to mention the throwables and tier 2's behind every door.

valve should just remove the boomer so pubs can focus on playing left 4 quad-cap.

[macamatic]

PC versions ftw!

[iananderson]

Though I have no money to buy it, I'd say it is worth it just for this:

http://www.destructoid.com/left-4-dead-s-survivors-evidently-visit-4chan-a-lot-150406.phtml

[FloodOne]

don't worry... unless you play on modded CEVO/frustian servers the game's turned to poo.
i played a quick pub versus game earlier and despite getting 7 incaps on the first map all 4 survivors still made it with a 130+ health bonus...
i literally lost count of how many medkits/pills they were given, not to mention the throwables and tier 2's behind every door.

valve should just remove the boomer so pubs can focus on playing left 4 quad-cap.

I have to agree with this statement. I don't understand why they jacked up all the health kits. I had no problem (with an organized team) surviving as the humans, and wrecking shop with the Infected before this latest patch.

Valve is doing to much handholding lately. I hope L4D2 isn't gimped at release.

[dady5000]

I don't have to worry about this since...well I'm on PC for this game.

[afterstasis]

I have to agree with this statement. I don't understand why they jacked up all the health kits. I had no problem (with an organized team) surviving as the humans, and wrecking shop with the Infected.

Valve is doing to much handholding lately. I hope L4D2 isn't gimped at release.

yeah, i'm not part of the group that seems to be on the other extreme side of the coin who want it to be a rarity that the survivors survive at all, but when even the most extreme mistakes go repeatedly unpunished (oh, your entire team is red? here's 4 medkits and ANOTHER refill of throwables and ammo!) you know things aren't quite balanced.

i'm personally beyond sick of versus games that end up with both teams in the 7-8,000's and hinge on which team can micromanage their medkits or pull off one clutch quad-cap.

[FloodOne]

yeah, i'm not part of the group that seems to be on the other extreme side of the coin who want it to be a rarity that the survivors survive at all, but when even the most extreme mistakes go repeatedly unpunished (oh, your entire team is red? here's 4 medkits and ANOTHER refill of throwables and ammo!) you know things aren't quite balanced.

i'm personally beyond sick of versus games that end up with both teams in the 7-8,000's and hinge on which team can micromanage their medkits or pull off one clutch quad-cap.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I think the initial patch that made the Tanks more durable to the Auto-Shotgun had the best balance.

Don't get me wrong, I like the additions of being able to see when my team is recharged as the Infected, but verbal communication worked just as well. That was part of the fun. The TEAMwork.

I agree, I don't want the survivors to die every round, but big time ****-ups need to be punished, or no one gets better at the game. There are too many perishables scattered through out the map to make a balanced game. It even seems harder to spawn three Hunters and a Smoker. Maybe I just haven't played enough since the update though.

[Sarge51]

I am all for less "random" drops of equipment. If you stick together and be careful you shouldn't need that much equipment.

[afterstasis]

I couldn't have said it better myself. I think the initial patch that made the Tanks more durable to the Auto-Shotgun had the best balance.

Don't get me wrong, I like the additions of being able to see when my team is recharged as the Infected, but verbal communication worked just as well. That was part of the fun. The TEAMwork.

I agree, I don't want the survivors to die every round, but big time ****-ups need to be punished, or no one gets better at the game. There are too many perishables scattered through out the map to make a balanced game. It even seems harder to spawn three Hunters and a Smoker. Maybe I just haven't played enough since the update though.

yeah, the tank was such a joke early on... i am very thankful for those changes, particularly the multi-hit.

i haven't noticed or heard of any changes to getting a 3-1 (or any other infected spawn changes for that matter), but i haven't played a lot since the update either.

if you play on PC and want to experience a much more balanced and fun game, then try to find a server that runs either CEVO or frustian's config...

CEVO mainly swaps out all non-saferoom medkits with pills (except the 4 kits at finale spot), ensures a tank on every level (including an extra on finales), and increases the chance of a witch on each level.

frustian's mod is an even more extreme version with same settings as above except it also swaps the saferoom medkits with pills, eliminates auto-shotties and M16's, extinguishes "pre-mollied" tanks, decreases spawn timers to 22 seconds, and ensures witch spawns on maps 2-4.

i have no doubt that with this new update that frustian will be updating his mod to remove all the extra item drops.

[pacifistWITHgun]

Why would you spend money on something gamers on other platforms get for free?

[iananderson]

Why would you spend money on something gamers on other platforms get for free?

If a DLC adds achievements Microsoft requires the compony to charge for it

[jonoo24]

I don't care how much it costs, I'm going home and shooting everything in the face.

You do that anyway don't you?

[Jglaubman]

Why would you spend money on something gamers on other platforms get for free?

Because I don't feel like spending $18,000 on a computer that can actually run Left 4 Dead.

[ExpertDrummer]

I really want to get this DLC but I don't have enough sadly. Once I get enough, it will be a definite buy. As far as it LOOKS, it looks very cool.
Though I have no money to buy it, I'd say it is worth it just for this:

http://www.destructoid.com/left-4-dead-s-survivors-evidently-visit-4chan-a-lot-150406.phtml
LOL and this is one of the main reasons why I LOOOOVVE Valve. :D

[HyeJinx1984]

fantastic multiplayer, broken as hell in singleplayer.

[Avatar_Ko]

Because I don't feel like spending $18,000 on a computer that can actually run Left 4 Dead.

When was the last time you went to a store? A PC that can run L4D at near max will cost you less than $1000. These days, the only difference between a new PC and a new PC that can play any game on the market is a $100 graphics card.

[pacifistWITHgun]

Because I don't feel like spending $18,000 on a computer that can actually run Left 4 Dead.

Dude, my two year old laptop that was mid-range when I bought runs L4D perfectly fine....

Seriously, Microsoft's so full of s*** when they go and pull stuff like this. I really don't know why people will eat this crap up, considering how obvious of a price gouge/money grab like 90% of xbox DLC is.

[Jglaubman]

When was the last time you went to a store? A PC that can run L4D at near max will cost you less than $1000. These days, the only difference between a new PC and a new PC that can play any game on the market is a $100 graphics card.

I used a hyperbole to try and make a joke. Still... when I can run Left 4 Dead 100% perfectly on a $200-250 Xbox, why not do that? I know nothing about PC gaming, but I'm fairly certain there is no $200 computer that can run Left 4 Dead.

[afterstasis]

oh, i forgot to mention that the blocked off rooftops in CC are pretty ridiculous, though not quite up there with death toll 4.

luckily, the layout of the level features so many buildings in close proximity that even basic wall-jumping will make it up to hunters and rocket-boomers.

[Avatar_Ko]

I used a hyperbole to try and make a joke. Still... when I can run Left 4 Dead 100% perfectly on a $200-250 Xbox, why not do that? I know nothing about PC gaming, but I'm fairly certain there is no $200 computer that can run Left 4 Dead.

Ok, two things. One, no FPS is 100% without a mouse and keyboard.

Two, I know of no video game console that runs Firefox and Office and video editing software. Like I said in my post, these days the only difference between a run of the mill PC and one that will run everything at medium-high settings is a $100 graphics card. My PC's 5 years old with a 2 year old graphics card and it runs L4D just fine.

Oh, and online is free on a PC.

PS - Anyone thinking about getting L4D this weekend, Steam has it for just $15. It's a steal, definetly go for it.

[afterstasis]

PS - Anyone thinking about getting L4D this weekend, Steam has it for just $15. It's a steal, definetly go for it.

haha, not much more than crash course! :p

having played L4D extensively on both PC and xbox i'll say there's a pretty huge different between the two, favoring the PC in every way possible.

[Jordanfre]

Ok, two things. One, no FPS is 100% without a mouse and keyboard.


Not everyone prefers mouse and keyboard though. I find game controllers much easier to use and they just feel alot better in your hands.

[ThunderCurls]

I've heard things....mainly glitches....

[BuRn7 CaK3]

Why would you ask others about something you obviously want to buy?

Isn't that like $8 bucks or something? Just do it.
It's $7 for it. A rip-off for a very short DLC. Ugh, at these times, I wish Microsoft would've just let Valve have their way and made the DLC free. Lucky PC users get it free anyways.

I don't care how much it costs, I'm going home and shooting everything in the face.

That's the spirit!

[Lady Siara]

I've heard things....mainly glitches....

T'is rather buggy. It seems like they didn't test it very well.

Either that or it's the servers, I'm not really an expert on this sort of stuff. ;)

[afterstasis]

T'is rather buggy. It seems like they didn't test it very well.

Either that or it's the servers, I'm not really an expert on this sort of stuff. ;)

assuming you're still playing on the xbox all of the servers are valve-owned, so they're all vanilla...
a few of the more hardcore competitive xbox'ers are apparently trying to figure out a way to mod their consoles so that when they locally host they can mod the game similar to how i mentioned the PC users do, but i don't see them making much progress.

there's a quickly growing list of bugs on the steam forums...
they pushed out a quick fix for PC players last night since they effectively ruined user-owned servers (which seems to happen with every update at this point), but haven't acknowledged the gameplay bugs.

[FloodOne]

assuming you're still playing on the xbox all of the servers are valve-owned, so they're all vanilla...
a few of the more hardcore competitive xbox'ers are apparently trying to figure out a way to mod their consoles so that when they locally host they can mod the game similar to how i mentioned the PC users do, but i don't see them making much progress.

there's a quickly growing list of bugs on the steam forums...
they pushed out a quick fix for PC players last night since they effectively ruined user-owned servers (which seems to happen with every update at this point), but haven't acknowledged the gameplay bugs.

I haven't played CC online yet, but from what it sounds like, I wasted my money.

Valve is quickly slipping off my goodwill list.

[Pwnz0r3d]

don't worry... unless you play on modded CEVO/frustian servers the game's turned to poo.
i played a quick pub versus game earlier and despite getting 7 incaps on the first map all 4 survivors still made it with a 130+ health bonus...
i literally lost count of how many medkits/pills they were given, not to mention the throwables and tier 2's behind every door.

valve should just remove the boomer so pubs can focus on playing left 4 quad-cap.

I can agree with you on that.

The game got old incredibly quickly for me, and the only way i had fun was singleplayer mode with edited files so i would be swarmed by hundreds of zombies and a few tanks,
(no im not talking about survival, that also got old quick)

[afterstasis]

I can agree with you on that.

The game got old incredibly quickly for me, and the only way i had fun was singleplayer mode with edited files so i would be swarmed by hundreds of zombies and a few tanks,
(no im not talking about survival, that also got old quick)

i can't relate with you on the singleplayer mode... the game's 100% about teamwork for me.

[FloodOne]

i can't relate with you on the singleplayer mode... the game's 100% about teamwork for me.

This.

The teamwork is integral to the gameplay experience, and it's the reason I love this game when I usually avoid FPS titles.

[afterstasis]

yeah, there's something truly special for an FPS to feature small teams of 4, which i also feel gets destroyed on those servers where it bumps the teams up to 8 or even 12.

of course, that's also what makes the game frustrating when you have one or two bad players on your team... they really make things tough, as opposed to being bad players on a big team of 24 or so.

but a solid team of 4 awesome players is quite a thing to behold (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcbhzquROSQ). :)

[FloodOne]

yeah, there's something truly special for an FPS to feature small teams of 4, which i also feel gets destroyed on those servers where it bumps the teams up to 8 or even 12.

of course, that's also what makes the game frustrating when you have one or two bad players on your team... they really make things tough, as opposed to being bad players on a big team of 24 or so.

but a solid team of 4 awesome players is quite a thing to behold (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcbhzquROSQ). :)

Awesome video. That was some excellent Tank play. If I could be on more teams that knew how to control and fight a Tank, I would win more games than I do now that's for sure.

Most randoms just go ape**** with it and get flamed by mol's and shells. Nobody uses the environment or their partners to take the survivors down.

[Baanu_Rass]

My friends and I find the game best when we are trying to kill each other in Campaign mode. Playing on hard and competing to get to the safe house first. Makes it a fun little adventure in negotiation.

[FloodOne]

My friends and I find the game best when we are trying to kill each other in Campaign mode. Playing on hard and competing to get to the safe house first. Makes it a fun little adventure in negotiation.

lol, that's sounds like it could be a good time.

[afterstasis]

Awesome video. That was some excellent Tank play. If I could be on more teams that knew how to control and fight a Tank, I would win more games than I do now that's for sure.

Most randoms just go ape**** with it and get flamed by mol's and shells. Nobody uses the environment or their partners to take the survivors down.

thank you, sir.

yeah, tank-play (and really, infected-play in general) really seems to escape most players...
it's bad enough seeing them go in one by one as infected to get cleared in seconds, but then they also rush in as the tank with no SI support, eating the lead of 4 auto-shotties while the green-health survivors dance circles around him.

[mattitude]

Too short.

But to be fair, I haven't played it online yet, which I know it was designed for. I just hate playing with strangers from the L4D community, they are, in fact, a bunch of dingletwinkies.

Y'all are my boyz (and guuurrrlz).

[FloodOne]

thank you, sir.

yeah, tank-play (and really, infected-play in general) really seems to escape most players...
it's bad enough seeing them go in one by one as infected to get cleared in seconds, but then they also rush in as the tank with no SI support, eating the lead of 4 auto-shotties while the green-health survivors dance circles around him.

I agree, but I'm guilty of sacrificing a Hunter if I can nail them for big pounce damage. On Map 2 of Dead Air, I launch a Hunter from the rooftop by the crane onto Survivors climbing the ladder. I can usually hit for around 25 pounce damage if I time it right.

[afterstasis]

I agree, but I'm guilty of sacrificing a Hunter if I can nail them for big pounce damage. On Map 2 of Dead Air, I launch a Hunter from the rooftop by the crane onto Survivors climbing the ladder. I can usually hit for around 25 pounce damage if I time it right.

that's definitely the ideal spot for a hit in that area (though you can almost always get in a quick attack (saving the smoker) as soon as they come outside, assuming the boomer gets at least one covered (which is incredibly easy in that area).

everyone should be hitting together on that ladder (along with almost any ladder in the game), allowing the smoker to go for the death-pull, boomers to slow everything down, and hunters getting 25's and intercepts.
it's a painfully common hit, but ladders just make survivors so helpless and there are several different directions to come from that so long as the boomer can be effective they're bound to take at least a little chip DMG.

[afterstasis]

just updated, yo...

Left 4 Dead (PC)
Item density calculation corrected for Versus games

Fixed weapon density in Crash Course

mp_gamemode now a valid command

New localized audio for Crash Course now available

Fixed achievement issues in Crash Course

Fixed dedicated servers not updating correctly to master server

Increased the timeout to fallback to listen server when searching for a dedicated server to 45 seconds


Left 4 Dead (360 dedicated only)
Item density calculation corrected for Versus games

Fixed weapon density in Crash Course

Player controlled special Infected will no longer be trapped if they spawn in rescue closets

Weapons and health kits in cabinets are now correctly respawned in the second Versus round

Fixed a deploment issue on Xbox 360 dedicated servers that resulted in collisions not being properly detected. This issue is a server only issue

[Baanu_Rass]

Since this thread has some people who are awesome at L4D (my friends and I ain't and we only play together), how do you take down tanks on X in campaign?

[afterstasis]

Since this thread has some people who are awesome at L4D (my friends and I ain't and we only play together), how do you take down tanks on X in campaign?

i haven't played campaign more than a few times since discovering versus mode, but your best bet is NOT lighting him on fire unless you're on tier 1's since his speed increases while on fire...

if everyone focuses their firepower on him he'll go down quick, especially if you have a few propane tanks to stun him with.

[Baanu_Rass]

i haven't played campaign more than a few times since discovering versus mode, but your best bet is NOT lighting him on fire unless you're on tier 1's since his speed increases while on fire...

if everyone focuses their firepower on him he'll go down quick, especially if you have a few propane tanks to stun him with.

I try to tell them not to light him on fire but they don't listen. :mad: At that point I just leave them to die and flee backwards through the level.

[afterstasis]

I try to tell them not to light him on fire but they don't listen. :mad: At that point I just leave them to die and flee backwards through the level.

yeah, if you're carrying tier 2's you can take him down so fast the burn DMG is insignificant compared to the speed boost unless you can get a high-ranged pre-molly.

[Lady Siara]

just updated, yo...

Left 4 Dead (PC)
Item density calculation corrected for Versus games

Fixed weapon density in Crash Course

mp_gamemode now a valid command

New localized audio for Crash Course now available

Fixed achievement issues in Crash Course

Fixed dedicated servers not updating correctly to master server

Increased the timeout to fallback to listen server when searching for a dedicated server to 45 seconds


Left 4 Dead (360 dedicated only)
Item density calculation corrected for Versus games

Fixed weapon density in Crash Course

Player controlled special Infected will no longer be trapped if they spawn in rescue closets

Weapons and health kits in cabinets are now correctly respawned in the second Versus round

Fixed a deploment issue on Xbox 360 dedicated servers that resulted in collisions not being properly detected. This issue is a server only issue

AHA! I knew it was the servers. :)

Also, awesome news, thanks for the heads up. The items were getting super annoying, and the collision detection was absurd. XD

[hawkofva]

So... Crash Course is decent now?

[afterstasis]

So... Crash Course is decent now?

yeah, i played a few quick games last night after the update and it was a much more tolerable experience.

though now that the whole "new map gloss" is wearing thin i've gotta say that aside from a few small spots throughout the two levels it's no better than your average user-made map on the PC.

[afterstasis]

also, for those of you on the PC version, you may be familiar with promaps (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=907695).
if not, it's pretty much what it sounds like... a kind soul has edited each and every official map (now working on crash course) so that they are more playable and fair for infected players on versus mode.

this includes blocking off commonly camped corners, providing extra scenery/props in open areas so infected have places to spawn and hide, removing autoshotties and M16's in saferooms, and removing invisible walls that prevent hunters from reaching rooftops and other useful areas.

you can read more, see screenshots, and download the necessary files from the above link.

[FloodOne]

also, for those of you on the PC version, you may be familiar with promaps (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=907695).
if not, it's pretty much what it sounds like... a kind soul has edited each and every official map (now working on crash course) so that they are more playable and fair for infected players on versus mode.

this includes blocking off commonly camped corners, providing extra scenery/props in open areas so infected have places to spawn and hide, removing autoshotties and M16's in saferooms, and removing invisible walls that prevent hunters from reaching rooftops and other useful areas.

you can read more, see screenshots, and download the necessary files from the above link.

Damn. I need to buy a new PC and just play L4D on that. The 360 version is getting the shaft in so many ways.

[Lady Siara]

also, for those of you on the PC version, you may be familiar with promaps (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=907695).
if not, it's pretty much what it sounds like... a kind soul has edited each and every official map (now working on crash course) so that they are more playable and fair for infected players on versus mode.

this includes blocking off commonly camped corners, providing extra scenery/props in open areas so infected have places to spawn and hide, removing autoshotties and M16's in saferooms, and removing invisible walls that prevent hunters from reaching rooftops and other useful areas.

you can read more, see screenshots, and download the necessary files from the above link.

That's so awesome.

I need to get my graphics card in. ;_;

[afterstasis]

i personally think a combo of promaps and frustian's mod is the ideal situation for experienced versus play.

it's nice actually seeing survivors hobbling into the saferoom (if at all) instead of dancing their way in with a 190 health bonus.

[afterstasis]

i always mean to alert you folks about these ahead of time, but i tend to forget...
if you wanna watch some higher level PC play they're about to have a live stream of tonight's alienware match-up right here...

http://www.alienwarearena.com/pages/media/
click on the 2nd video. it should stream after a short countdown.

a lot of people are considering this tournament quite an upset so far, so it should be pretty interesting...

[FloodOne]

i always mean to alert you folks about these ahead of time, but i tend to forget...
if you wanna watch some higher level PC play they're about to have a live stream of tonight's alienware match-up right here...

http://www.alienwarearena.com/pages/media/
click on the 2nd video. it should stream after a short countdown.

a lot of people are considering this tournament quite an upset so far, so it should be pretty interesting...

I want to watch, but Monday Night Football is in control of me.

[afterstasis]

i want to watch, but monday night football is in control of me.

0/10

[FloodOne]

0/10

0/10 to you my friend.

[afterstasis]

0/10 to you my friend.

2nd half of map 4... tank is about to spawn.

[afterstasis]

they're taking a short break and playing the final game since dropouts took that one. it's gonna be the same teams on dead air.

[FloodOne]

2nd half of map 4... tank is about to spawn.

Bret Favre is killing the Packers, I can't look away. Will these videos be archived somewhere? I really would like to watch them.

[afterstasis]

Bret Favre is killing the Packers, I can't look away. Will these videos be archived somewhere? I really would like to watch them.

no, alienware apparently refuses to allow these to be archived, but you can watch some past tourneys on sites like pwnage.tv, e-rev.tv, and l4dnao.com.

[FloodOne]

no, alienware apparently refuses to allow these to be archived, but you can watch some past tourneys on sites like pwnage.tv, e-rev.tv, and l4dnao.com.

That's stupid. Maybe I'll check out those sites later today. Learn some new tactics for my online matches.... if I can get one to finish :mad:

[afterstasis]

That's stupid. Maybe I'll check out those sites later today. Learn some new tactics for my online matches.... if I can get one to finish :mad:

you're lucky if you can get one non-scrimmage match to play out to completion for every 5 attempts.

i don't think i've seen a finale in three days between mass rage quits and crappy servers.

[FloodOne]

you're lucky if you can get one non-scrimmage match to play out to completion for every 5 attempts.

i don't think i've seen a finale in three days between mass rage quits and crappy servers.

Rage quits seem to always happen to me. I haven't had a problem with the servers going berserk in a while, but I also don't play as much as I used to.

[Wolfbeckett]

you're lucky if you can get one non-scrimmage match to play out to completion for every 5 attempts.

i don't think i've seen a finale in three days between mass rage quits and crappy servers.

See a buddy of mine is trying to convince me to get this game off of Steam so I can play with him and his girlfriend but things like this are making me really not want to bother, I absolutely HATE games with a lot of rage quits, it's like gaming blue balls.

[FloodOne]

See a buddy of mine is trying to convince me to get this game off of Steam so I can play with him and his girlfriend but things like this are making me really not want to bother, I absolutely HATE games with a lot of rage quits, it's like gaming blue balls.

I would recommend it, but you might want to wait for L4D2, even though stasis will probably tell why you shouldn't get #2

[afterstasis]

See a buddy of mine is trying to convince me to get this game off of Steam so I can play with him and his girlfriend but things like this are making me really not want to bother, I absolutely HATE games with a lot of rage quits, it's like gaming blue balls.

well, if your buddy has friends you'll find most decent PC players will try to do all-friends games whenever possible. that will take care of most rage quits.


I would recommend it, but you might want to wait for L4D2, even though stasis will probably tell why you shouldn't get #2

i wouldn't tell anyone not to get it, but i'm still very skeptical and don't plan to purchase the game until people i know have played it and can convince me that valve hasn't screwed us over again...
otherwise, i'll wait for it to go cheap and just avoid the competitive scene this time around.

[Wolfbeckett]

I think what I will do is keep playing single player games until L4D2 comes out, then if it is not total crap I will get that instead. I'd hate to waste my money on a game that will be mostly forgotten when November rolls around.

Edit: Whoa grammar errors!

[FloodOne]

i wouldn't tell anyone not to get it, but i'm still very skeptical and don't plan to purchase the game until people i know have played it and can convince me that valve hasn't screwed us over again...
otherwise, i'll wait for it to go cheap and just avoid the competitive scene this time around.

I don't do competitive... mostly because tournaments don't pan out on the 360.

I can't afford the game when it comes out anyway, so I'll have to wait for a month or two, which I will use to pester you about the game ;)

[afterstasis]

I don't do competitive... mostly because tournaments don't pan out on the 360.

I can't afford the game when it comes out anyway, so I'll have to wait for a month or two, which I will use to pester you about the game ;)

they have gamebattles for L4D on 360, but it's honestly a joke.
i don't know how many tournaments they've had with actual prizes, but they're very few and far between.

it's a shame that L4D will indeed probably be left in the dust when the sequel hits, especially considering there are 2 major tournaments in progress now (3 up until early this morning).

[FloodOne]

they have gamebattles for L4D on 360, but it's honestly a joke.
i don't know how many tournaments they've had with actual prizes, but they're very few and far between.

it's a shame that L4D will indeed probably be left in the dust when the sequel hits, especially considering there are 2 major tournaments in progress now (3 up until early this morning).

There's still over a month before the sequel, how long does it take for a tourney to play out?

[Wolfbeckett]

I'm probably never going to care about tourney play anyway, ever since my brief stint with competitive play in CS (1.5 before the stupid shields came out) I haven't been interested in getting that good at any FPS again.

[afterstasis]

There's still over a month before the sequel, how long does it take for a tourney to play out?

it varies, but the alienware tourney (which was double-elimination) that ended this morning had it's first matches on august 10th if that gives you an idea.

[FloodOne]

it varies, but the alienware tourney (which was double-elimination) that ended this morning had it's first matches on august 10th if that gives you an idea.

Dayummm....

That's far too much dedication for me. The wife and kid would never let it happen.

[afterstasis]

Dayummm....

That's far too much dedication for me. The wife and kid would never let it happen.

well, to be fair, the matches are pretty spread out, particularly at the beginning since there so many teams in the first few rounds.

i don't play for a team now, but in past tournaments we'd start out playing several official matches per week and then it'd go down to about one per week, though if you really want to compete you'll be scrimming almost every night.

[FloodOne]

well, to be fair, the matches are pretty spread out, particularly at the beginning since there so many teams in the first few rounds.

i don't play for a team now, but in past tournaments we'd start out playing several official matches per week and then it'd go down to about one per week, though if you really want to compete you'll be scrimming almost every night.

And I can't play every night, that's for sure.

[Baanu_Rass]

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/08/valve-unveils-left-4-dead-2s-new-scavenge-multiplayer-mode/

As the URL says, new info on a multiplayer mode. Doesn't really sound too exciting but whatever. Depending on how you interpret that last sentence you could argue we are getting 6 campaigns this time.

[afterstasis]

i read that earlier, and think it sounds pretty cool (approximately ten million times more interesting than survival mode, at least).

if they show more focus on versus modes it's gonna be extremely difficult to wait on L4D2 reviews from friends before making my decision to purchase.

[Lady Siara]

Very interesting.

I always thought it was going to be some sort of escort mission, but I suppose this is fresh enough to work.

[MooTrain]

I bought it. Did a run through it with friends. It's two chapters - although longer than any other chapter in the game. Overall play time was about 30 minutes.

With L4D 2 right around the corner, I'd say don't buy it if money is at all a concern.

[Baanu_Rass]

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/08/left-4-dead-2-twofer-edited-version-approved-for-australia/

More new info for anyone too lazy to hunt for it. Realistic mode sounds like some sort of super-expert. I can't imagine it will end well for most people.

[afterstasis]

based on the latest video on gametrailers.com they have indeed updated the old special infected's appearances, which is good...
it would have been super-lazy to use the old models. the latest updates have been good... let's hope realistic mode, whatever it may be, can be played in versus!

i want to have to struggle to survive in this game, goddammit!

[Baanu_Rass]

It's probably going to be something like 2 hits and you're down, Tank is instant death, and the other special infected kill you if you aren't saved right away.

[afterstasis]

It's probably going to be something like 2 hits and you're down, Tank is instant death, and the other special infected kill you if you aren't saved right away.

i'm expecting it to basically be expert mode with a more strict melee-fatigue system, no medkits or pills, no respawn closets, pistols have limited ammo, and headshots required to kill infected.

[Baanu_Rass]

i'm expecting it to basically be expert mode with a more strict melee-fatigue system, no medkits or pills, no respawn closets, pistols have limited ammo, and headshots required to kill infected.

The head shots thing would be insane.

[conhoptax]

I accept: the game broken for versus mode with the latest patch, but if you don't mind finding supplies every five steps the maps themselves aren't too bad despite some obvious laziness .And probably occasionally play it on the PC but only with frustians or CEVO mods so we're not practically tripping over medkits and weapons.
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[afterstasis]

ouch, the previous tournament video i posted turned into a giant mess over the past several days!
an anonymous player used demos from the game and demonstrated that MyTime from the winning team (RIP) was hacking... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b9T8lqq9nA

major drama went down and it looks like he was indeed using multiple hacks... http://www.alienwarearena.com/event/l4d-sotf/news/42/r-i-p-mytime-disqualified/

[FloodOne]

ouch, the previous tournament video i posted turned into a giant mess over the past several days!
an anonymous player used demos from the game and demonstrated that MyTime from the winning team (RIP) was hacking... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b9T8lqq9nA

major drama went down and it looks like he was indeed using multiple hacks... http://www.alienwarearena.com/event/l4d-sotf/news/42/r-i-p-mytime-disqualified/

I've actually played against hackers on the 360 version. We were being besieged by Hunter after Hunter with no respawn in between attacks. I swear, we killed six hunters in thirty seconds, while being attacked by a Tank.

[afterstasis]

I've actually played against hackers on the 360 version. We were being besieged by Hunter after Hunter with no respawn in between attacks. I swear, we killed six hunters in thirty seconds, while being attacked by a Tank.

it sounds like one of three things happened there...


1. this was before they took out an exploit where players could quickly swap to spectate mode, or simply leave the game and re-enter, leaving their special infected as a bot each time... people would oftentimes create entire armies of hunters this way.

2. this was before the patch where tanks could be swapped off between multiple players, creating a similar hunter army as above as each player's former SI became a bot when they gained control of the tank.

3. one of your teammates failed to leave the saferoom, so the opposing team got instant respawns and took advantage of it... not an exploit, but quite annoying when you have a teammate stupid enough to camp the saferoom for any reason whatsoever.


as far as i know, the only way to hack on the 360 is via physical modding, and even then you're likely to only see typical auto-aim/wall-hack/ESP hacks.
i've never even heard of an infinite respawn/hunter army hack for the PC (though teleporting entire teams to saferooms, auto-ending rounds, and speed-hacks are growing more commonplace along with the ones listed above).

[afterstasis]

so how about that demo?
i haven't played it yet (no pre-order) and i'm not dedicated enough to download one of the non-legit copies. i'm hearing VERY mixed reactions.

[Baanu_Rass]

Yeah, no pre-order here. I won't even pre-order if it gets me something useful.

Here's a Youtube glimpse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJNZt-smZgg) for anyone who wants to watch it.

[Jglaubman]

I'm pretty sure the demo comes out in a few days for everyone.