Supernatural Thread :D:D!!

[SynesterSeX]

Ok people its time for something new (i think)
I honestly dont know if this has been done before and i will not waste time to look for it so ill make a new one :D

Title is self explanatory.
We talk about everything that is supernatural and experiences you may have had with them.
Of course there are always skeptics, but thats ok. That will make this thread a whole lot interesting.

Now lets start with ghosts. Real or Fake?

[Tinykoko]

are you a guy or a girl?

[SynesterSeX]

are you a guy or a girl?

Guy ;)

[Tinykoko]

Guy ;)

okay. since you didnt answer my question in WAYDRN... how is it that an A7X fan misspells Synyster?
I'm not being a fangirl, it just annoys me.

and just so i'm not being a total annoyance myself, yes i believe in ghosts. :)



I dont want to rip off the godly Synyster Gate's complete name, just partially :P


BS lol.

[SynesterSeX]

[QUOTE=Tinykoko;3109553]okay. since you didnt answer my question in WAYDRN... how is it that an A7X fan misspells Synyster?
I'm not being a fangirl, it just annoys me.

and just so i'm not being a total annoyance myself, yes i believe in ghosts. :)
QUOTE]

Well lets go through that later or in another topic. You know ppl will often take those names so i figures Synyster was already taken.

So any experiences with ghosts?

[Tinykoko]

yep. lol. i have gypsy heritage. part ofmy family comes from transylvania. enter the creepy.

[moshun]

I believe in ghosts, but not the ones on TV.

I had an experience with some sort of apparition when I was like 7 or 8 while living in an old old ass apartment building in brooklyn. I had a curtain hung over my bedroom door, and at night I'd just stare at it through the dark.. and one night the curtain started flapping and waving. There wasn't a fan blowing or any windows open. So I ran out the room and tried to sneak into my parents' room, but their door was locked. And straight across from their bedroom door looked down the long galley of a kitchen that was pretty deep, long, and narrow. At the very end after the kitchen was where the bathroom was... the door was open and it was pitch black. I looked down the galley and saw this ghostly looking iron (the kind you press your clothes with). It floated up into the air at standing chest level, then started floating towards me down the long hallway in kinda slow but kinda quick pace. I fell to my knees in front of my parents' bedroom door crying and felt such fear. I then blacked out. I woke up the next morning in my parents' bed.

Okay, who believes in telepaths, empaths, and precogs? ME!

[Sarge51]

My dad believes in the supernatural. Saying he was haunted once in an old house. But, as much as I want to believe in the paranormal, I don't.

[DrifterUK]

I do somewhat believe in the supernatural.

A while a go, there were repeated occasions when it sounded like someone was walking around upstairs when I was the only one in the house. It hasnt happened for a while, but it was damn freaky

[Flawless]

I predicted the date of my fiancee's grandmother's death randomly, one day off and she was in good health.

I also said it would be something in her lower left lung that causes it, well at the time they said she died of esophageal cancer. When they did the autopsy they found the cancer had actually moved into her lungs. Lower left to be exact.

That's the 'big' one, aside from little vague predictions that could be just lucky coincidence. I also haven't "tried" since then.

Personal weird experience. I also used to talk to "imaginary" friend living in the mattress when I was 6, although I think there must have been something more to it.

[DrifterUK]

I predicted the date of my fiancee's grandmother's death randomly, one day off and she was in good health.

I also said it would be something in her lower left lung that causes it, well at the time they said she died of esophageal cancer. When they did the autopsy they found the cancer had actually moved into her lungs. Lower left to be exact.

That's the 'big' one, aside from little vague predictions that could be just lucky coincidence. I also haven't "tried" since then.

Personal weird experience. I also used to talk to "imaginary" friend living in the mattress when I was 6, although I think there must have been something more to it.

Thats really creepy

[Rock_Starman]

I thought this was gonna be about the show.

[feverdogg]

i do get those uneasy feelings time to time like i'll be in our basement and when i go upstairs i almost start to run cause i feel like someone or something is behind me.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Ghosts and other supernatural phenomena just don't exist. It's all in your head.

[rockfresh126]

The show Supernatural is awesome! Oh wait wrong thread

[Banky71]

Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.

[aspiring]

I thought this would be about the TV shows. Shame, i love that show.

[Lawdog1521]

Here’s an eerie little tale:

9 hikers dead, a tent torn apart from the inside, bodies found only partially clothed, skulls smashed, and people choosing to die of hypothermia rather than face what was out there. Let’s not forget the strange radiation and orange lights seen in the nights sky…

Dyatlov pass incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_Accident)

[General Lein979]

This threads needs more of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y).

[ryan12147]

I'm watching Ghost, that should be good enough to post in this thread right?

[AKALink]

I'm a practicing Christian, of course I believe in the supernatural and what the media calls ghosts.

[SynesterSeX]

I do somewhat believe in the supernatural.

A while a go, there were repeated occasions when it sounded like someone was walking around upstairs when I was the only one in the house. It hasnt happened for a while, but it was damn freaky

You know that still happens at my apartment, yet i try to ignore it because most of the time i think its my head messing with me. Although of my friends says she can see ghosts, she noticed that the attic above is the stairway is haunted. Thats where i usually here the footsteps coming up when im home alone.

[CloudWolf]

Here’s an eerie little tale:

9 hikers dead, a tent torn apart from the inside, bodies found only partially clothed, skulls smashed, and people choosing to die of hypothermia rather than face what was out there. Let’s not forget the strange radiation and orange lights seen in the nights sky…

Dyatlov pass incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_Accident)

Note to self: Never go on a holiday to Dyatlov Pass.

That's really creepy :eek:

Anyway, I don't really know what to believe when it comes to ghosts. I'm pretty sure there is something, because there have been some really freaky accidents throughout history, but I also find it really hard to believe the spirits of people that have passed on are still on earth.

Although I can't help to feel a bit scared when I have to sleep in a place of which people say there have been ghost sightings.

[frizzy_bj]

You know that still happens at my apartment, yet i try to ignore it because most of the time i think its my head messing with me. Although of my friends says she can see ghosts, she noticed that the attic above is the stairway is haunted. Thats where i usually here the footsteps coming up when im home alone.

It may or may not be your head messing with you. Most people write it off as imagination running wild and whatnot but some people have a sensitivity to paranormal happenings. That is just my opinion though. It all depends on what you believe.:) I refuse to get into debates of this magnitude with skeptics. The last time I did that on this forum, I came pretty close to being banned.:p I am not here to push my beliefs on anyone and I expect the same treatment from others. There are some that get pretty nasty about it.

As for me, I like to visit haunted places and old cemeteries to snap pictures. It's actually a hobby of mine. Here in the south, there are a plethora of old confederate graveyards, civil war battlefields and haunted places for me to enjoy.

I don't have any notable personal stories to share but I do like reading about others experiences. So keep 'em comin'.:D

[RainbowMist]

I have a friend who swears that a farm her cousins own is haunted by a helpful ghost. (they figure it's a deceased mother) She has lots of little bits of "evidence" ("aren't you gonna close the door?" "no, mom will." slam) but the story that sticks out the most is this:

One time her uncle was up in one of the silos while the blower was on. Now, I'm not a farm girl personally, but as far as I understand, these blowers are huge, heavy fans that keep the air-circulation going in the silo. In my experience, farmers are not the most careful of people, so these fans also tend to be left uncovered. Maybe you can see where this is going.

Anyway, so he's climbing up the (terrifying) ladder inside of the silo with this huge fan spinning at full tilt underneath him, when, (of course) he loses his grip and falls. The blower instantly comes to a dead stop. Before he hits it.

As you can imagine, things like that don't just stop, even if someone had managed to push the off button in time, physics dictate that it would stop gradually, not instantly freeze. So, instead of horrible, gory death (or at least some horrible gory injuries) dude comes out of it fine. It's obviously third-hand information, so take it as you will, but it makes for a cool story.

Also, Supernatural, the show is awesome.

[Mex]

That's a pretty cool story Rainbow :)

I'm not going to say that these things exist or don't, I'll only relay my own experiences.

When I was about 4 we lived in a typical suburban 3-bedroom house. My parents in the master and my sister and I were young enough to share a bedroom. The other room was sort of....well a TV room. There was just a couch and a TV in there. Now at that age I spent alot of time at home while my sister was at school and my dad was at work. I used to hang out upstairs while mom would do her thing downstairs, coming up periodically to check on me.

For some reason, I didn't like that room. The others were fine, but not that one. I used to stand out in the hallway and peer in, but I wouldn't set foot inside. I remember feeling like something was in there, that I could just barely see, maybe for an instant, and then it would be gone. All I know is that room creeped me out huge, and I can't think of a concrete reason why. We moved shortly thereafter.

Ok so that's not very exciting...lol.... I do have another story, one that really trips me out, it's about a premonition I had.

If you guys are interested I'll tell it....

[tehcate]

I believe in the paranormal. I have a sort of sense, but it comes and goes. It seems like there are times when I'm more sensitive than others.

I think my bedroom has had *something* living in it since an incident with a Ouija board (which I didn't believe in at the time) back in high school. There are nights when I can't sleep because I feel like I'm being watched, and other times I'll wake up at 3:00am (if it's not 3:00 I don't get any weird feelings) feeling super freaked out. When this happens the shadows in my room always look wrong too.

Anyway, creepiest story I have is half-apparition and half-premonition. My grandfather died when I was 14, and had been living with us for about 6 years prior to his death. One night I woke up in the middle of the night to see a skeletal figure standing at the foot of my bed, reaching across toward me. I got a good enough look before I FREAKED and dove under the covers to note that it looked an awful lot like my grandpa. He died the next day.

Another thing I just remembered is the weird noise in my sister's room. Hers is adjacent to mine and just a few feet away. Early last year I started noticing that every time I stepped through the threshold to my room I would hear something like a note struck on a piano. It started as one note and over time built up to a sequence of two or three in succession. It isn't around anymore, and I never did figure out what that was all about.

[Jaden-San]

I think my bedroom has had *something* living in it since an incident with a Ouija board (which I didn't believe in at the time) back in high school. There are nights when I can't sleep because I feel like I'm being watched, and other times I'll wake up at 3:00am (if it's not 3:00 I don't get any weird feelings) feeling super freaked out. When this happens the shadows in my room always look wrong too.



A lot of people think that midnight is the "witching hour" where supernatural forces are strongest. But lately, I've been reading more material that suggests that the most spiritually turbulent time of night is closer to 3 AM.

And Ouija? Dude.... *smacks you with a rolled up newspaper* Bad! Bad!

[oogabooha]

Dude, why the Ouija?

[Lawdog1521]

Dude, why the Ouija?

Because Milton Bradly has a direct link to the devil.

[maitee1]

I thought this was about the CW show...anyways I believe in the paranormal stuff type thing. Haven't had a personal encounter but I will take the time to read yalls stories. :D

[SynesterSeX]

Wow im glad you guys have so far been taking this thread seriously. Ive read all of them so far and its interesting what experiences you guys have had.

Im even more surprised that skeptics havent yet entered this thread. Would make things interesting.

Anyways I do truly believe in these sorts of things. Like are we really alone in the universe? Truly not, and its a stupidity to say we are because we are only a tiny spec in this vast universe. So this is something nobody says or states but does anybody have any idea what 11:11 is? It shows up at the most random times...

[Lawdog1521]

Wow im glad you guys have so far been taking this threads seriously. Ive read all of them so far and its interesting what experiences you guys have had.

Im even more surprised that skeptics havent yet entered this thread. Would make things interesting.

Anyways I do truly believe in these sorts of things. Like are we really alone in the universe? Truly not, and its a stupidity to say we are because we are only a tiny spec in this vast universe. So this is something nobody says or states but does anybody have any idea what 11:11 is? It shows up at the most random times...

This thread has skeptics. We’ve just chosen to remain silent.

As to 11:11 I’m sure it’s just a form of apophenia that you’ve keyed in on. In other words, it’s not significant. Think of how many numbers you see on a day to day bases. But you’ve now imbedded meaning to 11:11, so when you see it you register recognition when there’s none to be had. This is more common ith numbers such as 23 or the old “silence at 20 past the hour”.

[SynesterSeX]

This thread has skeptics. We’ve just chosen to remain silent.

As to 11:11 I’m sure it’s just a form of apophenia that you’ve keyed in on. In other words, it’s not significant. Think of how many numbers you see on a day to day bases. But you’ve now imbedded meaning to 11:11, so when you see it you register recognition when there’s none to be had. This is more common ith numbers such as 23 or the old “silence at 20 past the hour”.

Oh well by all means hit us with something :D

Ok well it only happens when i decide to check the time. That being said, most of the things i post online would end up 11:11 (not all the time, so im not too excited about this)
But i know 11:11 has something to do with why the lights go on and off everywhere i go.

[Lawdog1521]

Oh well by all means hit us with something :D

Ok well it only happens when i decide to check the time. That being said, most of the things i post online would end up 11:11 (not all the time, so im not too excited about this)
But i know 11:11 has something to do with why the lights go on and off everywhere i go.

But checking ones watch is a normal, often reflexive, action. Because you assign significance to one number you're both more likely to notice it and subconsciously wait for it. As to why your thread postings are around that time, aside from what was already mentioned, you're online during certain routine schedules throughout the day, of course certain times will reoccur.

I haven’t commented on most of the other stuff for numerous reasons. The biggest is that most of the stories told are ones perception of events so I’m not in a position to dismiss what they claim to have seen. But that doesn’t mean what they thought they saw was reality either. And other stories are just that, stories. Tales told by a friend of a friend, embellished along the way.

When I was younger I was a Moulder, I read everything paranormal I could get my hands on. Now I’m more of a Scully. Most things have a logical explanation and aren’t nearly as fantastical as they appear on the surface.

[CloudWolf]

Ok so that's not very exciting...lol.... I do have another story, one that really trips me out, it's about a premonition I had.

If you guys are interested I'll tell it....
I'm interested :)

[epicbeat]

It's so funny when Dean says: "SON OF A B#$%& !!"

^___^

[Mex]

I'm interested :)

Ok then, here's my premonition.

A few years back I was working on a special project, with all new people I'd never met before. One of the girls, Barb was talking about her sister and how her and I would be a great match for eachother. The only physical details I knew about the sister was that she was blonde and blue eyed.

A few days later I was driving home from work, and since I'd made that drive so many times, I was sort of on auto-pilot. You know when your mind wanders in the middle of doing something and then next think you know you're done? Just like that.

So my mind is wandering, sort of daydreaming...and I pictured going to the local video store to rent a movie that night. In my daydream I went just before the store closed at midnight, maybe with 5 minutes to spare. I imagined being there and looking over at the game section and seeing a blonde blue-eyed girl, who would be Barb's sister. I didn't speak to her, just rented the movie and left.

Now keep in mind I didn't know this person even existed until a few days earlie.

So anyway I snapped out of it, continued my drive home and sort of forgot all about it. I was watching TV, looked at the clock and saw it was 11:45. Suddenly I had an urge to rent a movie, so off I went.

I didn't even remember the daydream until I walked into the store and saw the employees getting ready to close. I made my way through the aisle and looked over at the game section. Yup, blonde girl, blue eyes.

I knew it was the sister. Don't know how but I did. Grabbed my movie and left.

So the next day at work I saw Barb and she was on the phone with her sister. I asked her to ask her sister if she was at the video store the night before, at that time, renting a game.

Yup, she was. It was her.

Now.....how exactly do you explain that?

[Boondocker]

Im even more surprised that skeptics havent yet entered this thread. Would make things interesting.

Well, I'm a skeptic, and it's been tempting to participate. The problem is, most (all but one) of the posts have been about personal or second-hand experiences, and as Lawdog says, it's very difficult to refute a personal experience.

Those who claim to have had experiences are A) largely anonymous, B) great distances away, C) relating events that have already happened, sometimes a very long time ago, and D) have provided no evidence that can be critically assessed.

The other problem is, if I come in and say that Person A is full of it, or just wrong, it comes across as a personal attack. When things start getting personal on the internet, moderators' ears perk up. :) The discussion usually devolves and ends soon after.

If people want to talk about the supernatural/paranormal in general terms, I'll chip in.

[gmarsh]

Luckily I have had no experience like that, except for this one night I was laying in bed and suddenly everything in my closet's shelf just collapsed.

I am one of those who does believe in the supernatural.

[ExpertDrummer]

I definitely believe in ghosts. As someone said before, the ghost 'shows' on TV, I think those are fake and only want viewers on the channel.

[tehcate]

A lot of people think that midnight is the "witching hour" where supernatural forces are strongest. But lately, I've been reading more material that suggests that the most spiritually turbulent time of night is closer to 3 AM.

And Ouija? Dude.... *smacks you with a rolled up newspaper* Bad! Bad!


Dude, why the Ouija?

I've read about the 3am thing before too. That definitely doesn't make me feel any better. :D

And blame my stupid 14-year old self for using a Ouija. My friends and I had a blast with it. It was great fun at the time, until I couldn't sleep in my own room anymore.

I forgot to mention this previously, but my cat refuses to stay in my room when the light's off. She won't even come in the room to wake me up in the morning if it's dark.

[Mega-Tallica]

I actually have a hobby of visiting "haunted" places around New Jersey. It's fun as hell and I have some really good stories about my adventures. I visited places like "Devil's Tower", "The Blue Hole", and possibly the scariest place I've ever been to "Annie's Road".

Here's the link to WeirdNJ

http://www.weirdnj.com/

Very interesting reads and I've been to probably about half of those places.

After visting some of these places and seeing things with my own two eyes, I believe in ghosts 100%.

EDIT: Oh and btw, on that link I gave, click on "Read Stories" and it'll give you a whole selection of weird places in NJ and stories by different people. If you're really into this stuff (like me :D) you'll spend a few hours reading some of these stories.

[Lawdog1521]

Well, I'm a skeptic, and it's been tempting to participate. The problem is, most (all but one) of the posts have been about personal or second-hand experiences, and as Lawdog says, it's very difficult to refute a personal experience.

Those who claim to have had experiences are A) largely anonymous, B) great distances away, C) relating events that have already happened, sometimes a very long time ago, and D) have provided no evidence that can be critically assessed.

The other problem is, if I come in and say that Person A is full of it, or just wrong, it comes across as a personal attack. When things start getting personal on the internet, moderators' ears perk up. :) The discussion usually devolves and ends soon after.

If people want to talk about the supernatural/paranormal in general terms, I'll chip in.

Exactly.

And don’t get me wrong, while I am skeptical I still love the supernatural and the paranormal. I’ve always been a horror junkie and always look for a good story. It’s just now I try to recognize the reality through the fabricated. And there’s almost always a natural explanation over a supernatural one… and even those that are unexplainable don’t necessarily mean they're real, just for the moment unexplainable.

Plus I just like freaking people out. :) Such as this photo…

Taken inside the Amityville home in around 1976 it was taken by an automated camera that had been set up with infered film. Of the dozens of photos taken only this one showed something interesting. When the Lutz family was asked about it the youngest daughter Missy claimed that it was the little boy she used to play with…

Amityville ghost boy (http://www.manchesterhaunted.com/amityville79coll19.jpg)

Of course what makes this story highly suspicious is the photo wasn’t first shown until 1979, on the Merv Griffin show. The photo was produced by Ed and Lorraine Warren, two well known “psychic” investigators and early investigators of the Amityville house. Both have been accused of fraud in the past and one wonders why they waited 3 years to show the photo…

[SynesterSeX]

Well, I'm a skeptic, and it's been tempting to participate. The problem is, most (all but one) of the posts have been about personal or second-hand experiences, and as Lawdog says, it's very difficult to refute a personal experience.

Those who claim to have had experiences are A) largely anonymous, B) great distances away, C) relating events that have already happened, sometimes a very long time ago, and D) have provided no evidence that can be critically assessed.

The other problem is, if I come in and say that Person A is full of it, or just wrong, it comes across as a personal attack. When things start getting personal on the internet, moderators' ears perk up. :) The discussion usually devolves and ends soon after.

If people want to talk about the supernatural/paranormal in general terms, I'll chip in.

Well im only interested in what you skeptics have to say. You do make a very good point though. I wouldnt want this thread to get shut down because pesky people must BM but id like to have arguements in which we all value our opinion (without the harsh words please).
People do experience these things, but like Lawdog said, it can just be a slip of reality.
With that said, go on and tell why you dont believe in such things.

[Boondocker]

With that said, go on and tell why you dont believe in such things.

I'll try to. It's a big question, and I may leave some stuff out by accident.

First, I look to the scientific method as a way of understanding the world. Now, that could be my outlook regardless of anything else, but it is even more important to me because of my chosen career. I'm in health care, and in my opinion, I'm not serving my patients well if I'm not critically analyzing the procedures and treatments that I administer. Fortunately, the majority of treatments in my field are supported by numerous scientific studies.

When am I not going to use a treatment? When the results can't be reproduced, or the results vary wildly from trial to trial. When the evidence for the treatment is anecdotal, not scientifically obtained. When the claims of the treatment's efficacy are too good to be true.

When all or some of the above are true, there's usually a common denominator: someone is making, or wants to make, money off of their claims. If you come up with a treatment for kids who have poor muscle tone, and you have loads of tools and toys to sell, and a program that you charge people to get certified by, you'd better have some science to back up your claims.

The same is often true with the paranormal. Whether it's a TV psychic, a medium, a fortune-teller, or a guy who knows a sure-fire method to win the lottery, there are some common denominators: their methods can't be reproduced, nor can their results; they magnify accurate results (whatever it is that counts as validating their claims) and minimize errors; they often stand to make money from their 'powers.'

When it comes to ghosts or cryptozoology, even if there's nobody making money off of the claims, there are still problems. The evidence for paranormal claims is always anecdotal; it's either not measurable scientifically, or the evidence given (the picture fell!) does not logically lead to the conclusions that are reached (a ghost did it!). In all cases of the paranormal that I've read about, two things are true: either the event is so far in the past that it can't be examined properly, or there is a more plausible, likely explanation that does not involve the supernatural.

And that's the crux of it, for me. Despite the appeal of ghosts, or chupacabras, or telekinesis, there is always a more likely explanation that relies on normal, physical or physiological phenomena. Always. Do skeptics always have proof that Phenomenon X wasn't caused by ghosts? No, but they probably have a theory that is more likely than, "A wizard did it."

Now, I can't say with 100% certainty that Paranormal Phenomenon X does not exist. However, I can allow that the possibility is so small, and the scientific evidence against it so large, that I don't believe in it, and it certainly shouldn't affect my life.

"In human history, natural explanations of phenomena have replaced supernatural ones many thousands of times. Supernatural explanations have replaced natural ones exactly never. So how likely is it that any currently unexplained phenomenon is supernatural?"
http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/

[Mex]

First, I look to the scientific method as a way of understanding the world.

The problem with this is, science evolves. There was a time when scientists claimed the Earth was flat for example. They had "proof" of it and used logic to come that conclusion.

Well they were wrong.

I'm not going to dismiss a possibility just because science can't explain it yet.

[Boondocker]

The problem with this is, science evolves. There was a time when scientists claimed the Earth was flat for example. They had "proof" of it and used logic to come that conclusion.

Well they were wrong.

That's not true, actually. The belief that the earth was flat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth) was held a very long time ago, and wasn't based on any science. Greek scholars were the first to propose a spherical earth; Aristotle provided evidence for it, based on a number of different observations. It's no coincidence that around this time, the Greeks were refining the scientific method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_scientific_method). (Interestingly, the Greeks weren't right either... the earth is an ellipsoid shape, slightly wider than it is tall.)

However, you were just using the flat earth belief as an example. Your point, if I'm taking it right, is that science can be wrong about things, and new information can come along that disproves what we thought we knew.

Well, yes! That isn't an argument against science, though. That's actually one of the things that makes the scientific method really strong; when new evidence comes along, old theories are revisited. Sometimes the evidence fits into the theory (which is always nice), but sometimes the theory has to be altered or abandoned, and a new theory posited. Scientific theories are constantly being tested and attacked, and that's a good thing.


I'm not going to dismiss a possibility just because science can't explain it yet.

You're making three assumptions here that are problematic:

1) Science dismisses things. It doesn't, really, not in the purest sense. I can't rule out the possibility that a ghost is going to teleport into my house and lacquer my toenails blue. I can say that it's incredibly unlikely and I don't believe it will ever happen, but I can't rule it completely out.

2) Science can't explain the paranormal. Well, it can, and it usually explains it in a manner that disproves the paranormal explanation. However...

3) Because Science can't explain it, the cause must be paranormal. One of the key problems with paranormal explanations is that they so often can't (or won't) be tested scientifically. But, just because we don't have an explanation for something does not mean that a paranormal explanation is more likely than a 'normal' one.

If you asked me to watch your sandwich while you went out, and then returned to no sandwich, and I told you that a ghost ate it, you would rightly propose that perhaps I'd eaten your sandwich. You might even look for crumbs on my shirt or mustard on my face. My having eaten the sandwich is a more probable explanation in every way.

Just because we don't currently understand what caused X doesn't mean that it's all right to say that the cause was supernatural. Such a claim demands evidence be provided. Any claim demands evidence be provided. Until it is, we're both just making stuff up.

[Lawdog1521]

Well im only interested in what you skeptics have to say. You do make a very good point though. I wouldnt want this thread to get shut down because pesky people must BM but id like to have arguements in which we all value our opinion (without the harsh words please).
People do experience these things, but like Lawdog said, it can just be a slip of reality.
With that said, go on and tell why you dont believe in such things.

I think Boondocker has summed it up better than I could.

Now if you want to discuss my skepticism on a more micro level that’s cool too. Just let me know what you want me to talk about. Ghost, UFO’s, Bigfoot, the Bermuda Triangle. Any will do. Or you can even be more specific and name individual instances such as the Hill case or the Smurl Haunting.

I game for discussion. :)

[Mex]

That's not true, actually. The belief that the earth was flat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth) was held a very long time ago, and wasn't based on any science. Greek scholars were the first to propose a spherical earth; Aristotle provided evidence for it, based on a number of different observations. It's no coincidence that around this time, the Greeks were refining the scientific method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_scientific_method). (Interestingly, the Greeks weren't right either... the earth is an ellipsoid shape, slightly wider than it is tall.)

However, you were just using the flat earth belief as an example. Your point, if I'm taking it right, is that science can be wrong about things, and new information can come along that disproves what we thought we knew.

Well, yes! That isn't an argument against science, though. That's actually one of the things that makes the scientific method really strong; when new evidence comes along, old theories are revisited. Sometimes the evidence fits into the theory (which is always nice), but sometimes the theory has to be altered or abandoned, and a new theory posited. Scientific theories are constantly being tested and attacked, and that's a good thing.



You're making three assumptions here that are problematic:

1) Science dismisses things. It doesn't, really, not in the purest sense. I can't rule out the possibility that a ghost is going to teleport into my house and lacquer my toenails blue. I can say that it's incredibly unlikely and I don't believe it will ever happen, but I can't rule it completely out.

2) Science can't explain the paranormal. Well, it can, and it usually explains it in a manner that disproves the paranormal explanation. However...

3) Because Science can't explain it, the cause must be paranormal. One of the key problems with paranormal explanations is that they so often can't (or won't) be tested scientifically. But, just because we don't have an explanation for something does not mean that a paranormal explanation is more likely than a 'normal' one.

If you asked me to watch your sandwich while you went out, and then returned to no sandwich, and I told you that a ghost ate it, you would rightly propose that perhaps I'd eaten your sandwich. You might even look for crumbs on my shirt or mustard on my face. My having eaten the sandwich is a more probable explanation in every way.

Just because we don't currently understand what caused X doesn't mean that it's all right to say that the cause was supernatural. Such a claim demands evidence be provided. Any claim demands evidence be provided. Until it is, we're both just making stuff up.

Yes I was just using the flat Earth deal as an example. There are other examples that I'm sure could have been better. My point is, that what is considered scientifically proven today can be disproven tomorrow. So basically a Scientists "findings" are just an interpretation of data. The same way people interpret the bible for example, we can have different conclusions from the same data or source.

I mention these things because you said you use Science to understand the world. There is nothing wrong with that, but I'd be weary as to how much stock you want to put into it. I consider these Scientific findings and form my own conclusion. The one thing I'm sure of is there are many, many things we don't understand in the world and alot of the time people just dismiss it because it's easier to do that. And when challenged they use "Science" as the crux of their argument. Truthfully I think that's a cop out alot of the time.

Just because science can't prove something today, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. On a long enough timeline many things that are considered ridiculous today will be proven in the future. We're not so advanced that we're beyond being totally and utterly wrong in our beliefs. No matter how much logic orresearch we do.

In regards to the assumptions you stated, I think you're reading too much into what I said. My stance is that these things paranormal things are possible, but I don't know that for sure. I'm willing to be open minded about it though.

And you know what? Maybe a ghost DID eat my sandwich. It could be the least likely scenario but it could still be that scenario.

[OakTea]

Just because science can't prove something today, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

It's actually quite interesting reading about some of the things that cause seemingly paranormal events to happen. Feelings of dread in certain areas, for example. I believe seeing some things could relate to resonance as well...but I'm no expert.

I'm one of the skeptics too. Having a pretty heavy interest in psychology and the workings of the human mind, I try to think about why someone would think that an event has paranormal causes and understand it that way, rather than trying to find out a scientific explanation.
The human mind likes to rationalize things it doesn't understand. If we don't understand why the door is closing by itself, or where the bumping is coming from at night, most people won't just shrug it off if they have no idea why it's happening. If someone doesn't know that it's the wind, or air pressure, or the way the door was built, they're going to want 'answers'. And the right answer may be out of their reach, but that doesn't mean their mind can't rationalize it.
And people rationalizing things as "ghosts" and other potentially scary or dangerous makes sense from evolutionary/instinctual perspective as well...if there's something making noise and you don't know what it is, it's usually better to go somewhere safe.

Children usually are more open to paranormal beliefs. There was a really interesting article about homeless children who essentially came up with an entire religion. There were ghosts, angels, purposes they assigned to their lives and everything...this was very interesting to me. Not because I learned about some new ghosts, and not because I thought "haha, stupid kids". But because it shows how even children who probably aren't exposed to religious beliefs or education will create their own answers to everything in their lives.

As human beings, we need an explanation. Some people are satisfied with paranormal answers. Others believe that there's more too it than that.

[SynesterSeX]

From everything ive read on what the skeptics had to say, I'm really surprised how much sense you guys make. Frankly though, im a believer. The way i think about this would be to look outside the box. Sure just because science has proved and disproved many things in the past doesnt mean it will always be 100% correct. For example, there is no scientific evidence that heaven exists, yet people tend to believe (due to religion) that they will go if they do X things.

I actually had more in mind but sadly im in computer class and i forgot what i had to say. Carry on though, ill remember it soon :)

[Boondocker]

My point is, that what is considered scientifically proven today can be disproven tomorrow. So basically a Scientists "findings" are just an interpretation of data. The same way people interpret the bible for example, we can have different conclusions from the same data or source.

Yes, scientific findings can be dis-proven (I've already talked about how that's a feature of science, not a drawback). Yes, a scientist's findings are interpretations of data. Where you go wrong, though, is assuming that all interpretations of the same data are equal.

There might be lots of ways of interpreting a set of data. Good science, though, has measures in place to make sure that the conclusions that are reached make logical sense and can be agreed upon by most people. I really can't go into detail here, because this is what statistics and science courses are for, but good scientific studies have control groups, they have carefully controlled conditions, they have strict methodology, etc. Most importantly, they have systems of peer review where other people in the field look at the study and try to poke holes in it.

All of this means that when the scientists who ran the study say that their interpretation of the data is X, the rest of the scientific community can look at it and say, "Yes, that is the interpretation that makes the most sense." Another interpretation might exist (and because of flaws in studies, some of which are really hard to avoid, other interpretations often do exist), at which point the community would have to examine the reasons for that interpretation and weigh it against the first.

(As an aside, you can't really equate Bible interpretation to the scientific method. One deals with the physical, observable world and the other deals with ideas about morality, culture, and religion. Apples and oranges.)


I mention these things because you said you use Science to understand the world. There is nothing wrong with that, but I'd be weary as to how much stock you want to put into it. I consider these Scientific findings and form my own conclusion.

I put all my stock into it, to be frank. That doesn't mean that I'm not forming my own conclusions. Science doesn't tell me what to think, it gives me a way to think. Critically and logically.

I'm curious as to how you decide to form your own conclusions. When given a scientific explanation for something, how do you arrive at the decision to say, "That explanation isn't good enough, I'm going to go with this other one." Are you weighing evidence?


The one thing I'm sure of is there are many, many things we don't understand in the world and alot of the time people just dismiss it because it's easier to do that. And when challenged they use "Science" as the crux of their argument. Truthfully I think that's a cop out alot of the time.

I doubt that anyone has ever just said, "Science!" and left it at that. Again, science is a way of thinking critically about the world, it's not an argument in itself.

There are things we don't understand in the world, though I'm confident in saying that even if we keep discovering new things to not understand, there are increasing amounts of things that we do understand better than we ever have before. However, just because we don't currently understand something doesn't mean that we must accept any old theory about it. Explanations about the world, scientific or not, must pass a lot of rigourous testing before they can be accepted as scientific theories.

Saying that because I can't prove a natural cause for X means that there's a supernatural cause for X is the real cop-out. Your explanation needs as much proof as mine.


Just because science can't prove something today, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. On a long enough timeline many things that are considered ridiculous today will be proven in the future.

I'm going to pretend you said "might be proven in the future" rather than "will." I think that's fairer to you.

You need to stop assuming that because I believe in scientific analysis, I'm blindly shutting my eyes and saying, "No no no! I won't believe it!" If enough physical, reliable evidence appeared that stood up to scrutiny and made the arguments for vampires more plausible, I'd buy a garlic body-wash. I've never said that science can rule something out with 100% sureness, only that it can call some phenomena very, very unlikely.

Here's a task for you, though: give me some examples of things that were once thought to be ridiculous and came to pass. I can't imagine you won't find any (a couple come to mind), but I'm going to guess that I can find three times as many beliefs that were once considered stone-cold fact and now are recognized as wrong.

Just because something is thought of doesn't make it any more likely to be true, now or eventually.


My stance is that these things paranormal things are possible, but I don't know that for sure. I'm willing to be open minded about it though.

Science is open-minded. Those who believe in the scientific method are willing to test, analyze, deliberate over any claim that has some evidence behind it.

People who resolutely believe something without allowing any critical thought about it are close-minded.


And you know what? Maybe a ghost DID eat my sandwich. It could be the least likely scenario but it could still be that scenario.

Yes, it could. It's still a possibility, no matter how remote. The question is, would you change your behaviour based on that remote possibility? I'd hope not (unless I was still hungry).

[Boondocker]

Holy balls, that's a lot of text. Sorry. I can't seem to be succinct about this stuff and still get my point across.

[R33DH4M]

I once was tripping really hard and my friends convinced me that I had died and was in hell.

[frizzy_bj]

It's actually quite interesting reading about some of the things that cause seemingly paranormal events to happen. Feelings of dread in certain areas, for example. I believe seeing some things could relate to resonance as well...but I'm no expert.

I'm one of the skeptics too. Having a pretty heavy interest in psychology and the workings of the human mind, I try to think about why someone would think that an event has paranormal causes and understand it that way, rather than trying to find out a scientific explanation.
The human mind likes to rationalize things it doesn't understand. If we don't understand why the door is closing by itself, or where the bumping is coming from at night, most people won't just shrug it off if they have no idea why it's happening. If someone doesn't know that it's the wind, or air pressure, or the way the door was built, they're going to want 'answers'. And the right answer may be out of their reach, but that doesn't mean their mind can't rationalize it.
And people rationalizing things as "ghosts" and other potentially scary or dangerous makes sense from evolutionary/instinctual perspective as well...if there's something making noise and you don't know what it is, it's usually better to go somewhere safe.

Children usually are more open to paranormal beliefs. There was a really interesting article about homeless children who essentially came up with an entire religion. There were ghosts, angels, purposes they assigned to their lives and everything...this was very interesting to me. Not because I learned about some new ghosts, and not because I thought "haha, stupid kids". But because it shows how even children who probably aren't exposed to religious beliefs or education will create their own answers to everything in their lives.

As human beings, we need an explanation. Some people are satisfied with paranormal answers. Others believe that there's more too it than that.

I totally respect what you have said here and I absolutely agree. The human mind is a curious and inquisitive thing.

One perfect example of this is attributed to the study of psychology. The human mind is wired to take distinct input perceptions from our five senses and exemplify it into a configuration that can be recognized by our psyche. However, sometimes the mind can't find a customary “match” for a phenomenon or a happening with which to coordinate the sensory input so it tries to create a common ground with the senses and manifests it into an object that we can recognize with ease. (such as a face in the clouds, in a picture, etc.). The mind is also hard-wired to seek out human faces or forms. Why is this relevant and related to paranormal experiences? That's easy. Having done work with several paranormal investigators and paranormal agencies, I analyzed numerous pictures that people had taken in specific places with claims that they had captured a "human spirit". While some of them were hard to debunk, I would say a majority of them were a result of their mind actually seeking out a "face" or a "human body" in the picture.

Look at this picture here. (http://www.ghostresearch.org/ghostpics/ghost1.html) If you look on the screen door, you will see what appears to be a face. However, this can easily be explained away as light reflecting from the outside onto the door. Some will claim this to be paranormal, but it is simply a trick of the mind.

In this picture (http://www.ghostresearch.org/ghostpics/civilwar.html) you can see what appears to be a ghost of a confederate soldier in the upper right hand corner of the photo, However, if I were the one analyzing it for authenticity, I would strongly question the validity of this photo because it can be easily explained. Bad exposure, reflection of light, or an optical illusion caused from the trees to name a few.

Orbs (http://www.freewebs.com/hidyaphrodite/Garden%20Orbs.jpg) or globules (http://www.castleofspirits.com/globules.gif) are the most commonly analyzed "anomalies" that appear in pictures. Some people believe that orbs are floating spirits or an apparition that is about to manifest itself but I approach this theory with extreme skepticism. One problem that I have is that orbs were virtually nonexistent before digital cameras were brought into play. In addition, the most widespread “orb” photos are purely refractions of light on the camera lens. This transpires when the camera flash bounces back from something reflective in the vicinity of the camera. When this occurs, it initiates a perfectly round ball of light that seems to be within the spectrum of the photo but is genuinely just an image on the lens itself. Other things that cause orbs are dust, insects, hair, precipitation, or pollen.

Another picture anomaly that I commonly see is the "vortex phenomenon". (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5114/pics/ghosts/ghost1.jpg) These are spectacular looking at first glance because of their flowing, spine-like (http://www.crawfordcountyghosthunters.com/vortex2.jpg)appearance BUT it has been discovered that a camera strap was the culprit as seen here (http://www.ghostresearch.org/ghostpics/fake/strap.html).

Ahhh and ectoplasm (http://www.paranormalplus.com/civil%20war%20ectoplasm.jpg). Lovely ectoplasm. It was once relayed to me that a paranormal investigator in Utah had actually captured a sample of ghostly ectoplasm and after doing tests on it found it to be subcutaneous fat from a human. This, however, was found to be a fictitious claim. All in all, as you can deduce from this photo (http://ghosthuntingsecrets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/image/ectoplasm%20underground%20mine.jpg), it is smoke or moisture in the air. Nothing more.

Another complaint from people that I have encountered in my past investigations are uneasy feelings, dizziness, nausea, and syncopal episodes in their homes or places of business. Although some investigators will pawn this off to demon or evil spirit activities, it can easily be debunked by a simple walk through of the establishment with an EMF detector (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMF_meter). These measure electromagnetic fields and are often used to detect and prove paranormal activity. This is contributed to the belief that ghosts draw their energy from batteries, electricity, heat sources and even human emotional energy to manifest themselves. However, it is widely known that places that have high electromagnetic fields caused by faulty wiring, old or outdated wiring and other electrical errors can cause feelings of dread, confusion, dizziness, nausea and even hallucinations. With that said, I have also done some investigations where the EMF meter projected a high reading where there was no electrical appliance, wiring or energy source to explain it. In these instances, the room temperature dropped significantly and most of our batteries were drained. That was clearly hard to debunk.:)

Last but not least, EVP work is also a common practice with paranormal investigators. This method uses voice recorders to capture disembodied voices on tape. Some of them are pretty creepy and unsettling but they also are easy to debunk. In most cases, there is quite a bit of static in the background. So obviously it is easy to hear or try to distinguish human conversation from the background noise. I am not saying that all of them are this way, but I try to eliminate all possibilities before deeming it a tried and true EVP.

For those that are curious, you can listen to some good EVP's here. (http://www.mcmsys.com/~brammer/ghostvoicespage2.htm)

I am a believer in the paranormal but I also err on the side of caution before I actually determine if a piece of evidence is supportive of a haunting. The reason being is there are so many factors that can disprove the piece of evidence given so all avenues must be explored before a conclusion is reached. This is the problem that most investigators have. They are hasty in their decisions to submit a piece of evidence as factual when it is clearly not valid.

Now before anyone mentions it, I do watch the show Ghost Hunters and I have a lot of respect for them but I had acquired this approach to investigating long before that show ever aired. A good investigator will use these techniques and go into the investigation with doubt and scrutiny. A specific place may be creepy, old, run-down or have a disturbing history behind it but these factors cannot be weighed into the investigation heavily or else the whole thing could be compromised greatly.

The fact of the matter is, I could go back and forth all day with skeptics about the evidence I have gathered in my past investigations to mull over the validity of it. However, I have done this so much that I have grown rather weary of it. Nine times out of ten, it will turn ugly and hateful. In fact, I think that only one skeptic that I have met over the years was able to discuss this matter in a calm, rational and logical way without resorting to personal attacks and the like. In retrospect, a lot of the arguments that skeptics have offered have helped me to become a better investigator.:)

So the point of this wall of text is that yes, I believe in the paranormal if the claims cannot be debunked in any possible way. Special thanks to all the brave people that read this.:p

[Lawdog1521]

EVP’s are one of the least credible forms of evidence I’ve seen (heard). It almost always requires the person playing the recording to tell the listener what to listen for, planting a subconscious seed.

It’s similar to the Judas Priest back masking allegations. Jurors heard nothing until told what to hear from the plaintiff. (Fortunately they still didn’t buy it.)

The few that are recognizable without prompting are often produced without verification. In other words the recorder records them on their own, with no witnesses which could be a sign of fabrication.

Although I will concede Some EVP's are good for the "creep" factor. :)

[frizzy_bj]

EVP’s are one of the least credible forms of evidence I’ve seen (heard). It almost always requires the person playing the recording to tell the listener what to listen for, planting a subconscious seed.

It’s similar to the Judas Priest back masking allegations. Jurors heard nothing until told what to hear from the plaintiff. (Fortunately they still didn’t buy it.)

The few that are recognizable without prompting are often produced without verification. In other words the recorder records them on their own, with no witnesses which could be a sign of fabrication.

Although I will concede Some EVP's are good for the "creep" factor. :)

I actually agree with you there. :) It all comes down to the specific conditions of the investigation and the honesty of the investigators performing it. If their intentions are to tamper with the recordings i.e. claim to leave the room or establishment or create ghostly sounds when there appears to be no one around, then yes, that is a huge problem. However, there are honest and noble paranormal investigation teams out there that are doing these investigations sincerely and have the best intentions on making it a controlled and favorable enviroment for capturing evidence of paranormal activity. Unfortunately, the bad seeds have ruined it for us honest folks making EVP work an almost undesireable practice.:)

[SynesterSeX]

I always thought EVP was a pretty reliable source when ghost hunting.

Hmm guess i was mistaken :/

[SynesterSeX]

Ehh any good stories? Been a while and its that time of year :)

[Mega-Tallica]

Ehh any good stories? Been a while and its that time of year :)

I've got a good one...

Well first off, I'll admit that I believe in the supernatural and ghosts 100% and I always have. If you read my post a few posts back, I'm an avid ghost hunter. I'm constantly going to weird places around New Jersey and I've seen some unexplained things with the only answer to them being something supernatural and out of this world. Well instead of going into detail of every one of my adventures (there's a lot of them as I've been to about half the places listed on weirdnj.com) I'll just tell the story of my first ever experience with the supernatural and it occured when I was only 12 years old...

My step father's uncles house (it already sounds made up, but this is true. I haven't seen my biological father since I was 5). Anyway, my step father was always telling me how haunted his house was and I didn't believe him as I was a naive little boy at the time. I didn't believe him until I went over to his uncles house to help with re-newing his attic.

So, there were three of us up in the attic at the time: me, my stepdad, and my stepdad's uncle. We were moving boxes and stuff and painting, you know, the usual re-newing process. Now, I'm going to try and explain the actual layout of the attic as it is quite important:

There's a fleet of steps coming up from the second floor of the house. About 20 steps in all. And at the top of the steps, there is a support pillar which blocks the view of the very top of the steps. The rest of the attic is just a standard attic space, nothing special. It's also worth to note that there was only one other physical human with us in the house at the time and that was my mom (she was downstairs the whole time).

To get to the good stuff: we were all doing our thing when my stepdad drops a box of Christmas ornaments on the floor. I had my back turned to him, but I immediatly turned around from the crash. My eye goes right from the box on the floor to where my stepdad was staring. At the top of the stairs to the attic, as plain as day, there was an old women staring from about 5 steps from the top, staring right at us. I was so shell-shocked, I couldn't speak or move, and apparently nobody else could either. Then, as if she meant to have this happen, she walks up the rest of the stairs, behind the pillar and virtually disappears before our eyes. After getting over the shock, my stepdad walked over to the pillar, looked behind it, and nothing was there.

This was my first ever experience with an unexplained happening. After this appearence of what appeared to be an old women, my stepdad's uncle has been saying unexplained things have been happening ever since. When he's outside at night in his backyard, he hears what sounds like whispers in the trees; he has replaced the tiles in his kitchen only to have them stacked neatly in a pile the next morning (he has pictures of this which is a possible poltergeist, his kitchen floor, to this day as far as I know, remains tile-less), and his two dogs, one being a German Shephard and another being a pitbull, will not under any circumstances go down in the basement. Experts say animals have a sixth sense for these types of things, you tell me.

Wow, that was an extremely long post, but that's my story. Ever since I've seen that in his house, I have been looking for more.

[SynesterSeX]

Ahh i had forgotten about this thread haha :(

Well hopefully people have more interesting stories for all of us. Im still waiting on that debate lol :D

[overdriveguitarman]

I've got a good one...
*long story*

Are you pulling our legs? I kind of believe in angels and demons. I guess a ghost could be a demon... Anyway, I always think they would always just be a "presence", not visible.

And I would be freaked out if that happened to me, and probably never go back to that house again.

[CJHobbes]

There are some good stories here! I've enjoyed reading them all. I've definitely been into ghosts and spirits and other paranormal stuff since I was young. Heck, I remember buying a "Ghost Hunting" book from the Scholastic club when I was in 3rd grade. Fun times!

I suppose you can put me into the mostly believer, slightly cynical category. Instead of boring you with my beliefs, I'll just share the fun stuff!

I've only had a couple personal instances, and a couple stories from my ex, plus a story from a friend from college. I don't claim they're good stories, or even stories about 100% certain paranormal activity, but they're just out-of-the-ordinary occurances I've had where I've felt something.

Warning: I'll just tell all my stories at once, so this will be a long post!

My first story is short, it's a typical one. About 8 years ago I was laying in bed ready to fall asleep, but couldn't quite drift off. The lights were out, and some street lights spilling into the bedroom through the window. I opened my eyes and saw the usual shadows, except for this floating black mass up near the corner of the ceiling. I kept my eyes open watched it for a good 10 seconds. While it didn't move, I'd say it was slowly flowing/swirling in place. So it wasn't completely still like a regular shadow. I closed my eyes for a few moments then opened them again to see that it was gone, replaced by the usual shadows of the room. I never did see anything like that again.

The next story involves my ex. She was one who seemed to be more in tune with the paranormal. After we moved to Vegas and had an apartment together, I had to work a night shift while she worked a day shift. This was the first time while living together (after a year) that we never fell asleep next to each other. The first couple nights she couldn't sleep at all, tossing, turning, just didn't get any rest. Then after a few nights, she said she felt and began seeing the presence of a little child every night. She (the child) brought a calming feeling, and my ex was able to sleep like a rock from then on out. Then when I found a day job and we slept together again, she saw the child a couple more times and then she was gone.

My ex also said she had a little ability to change traffic signals. Preposterous, yes, I know. I didn't believe it myself, until we were driving along in the early evening. Back in '02 we were on a major street, and we were coming up to the light. About 50 yards from the light, it turns yellow then red. There were maybe 10-12 cars waiting on the intersecting road, so the intersection wasn't empty. My ex stopped talking, concentrated for a bit, and literally 10 seconds after our light turned red it was green again. No emergency vehicles went through, the lights didn't malfunction. They just, changed for us. This happened twice, months apart from one another on completely different sides of the city. Short circuit, maybe, but it's still pretty cool to feel you can change a light. All I know is at that time I had been driving for 6 solid years and had never seen anything like that before, and have yet to see it again.

My last personal story is about my Dad's passing. The situation was pretty simple: he fell ill one night (age 60, had health problems up until then) and went to the hospital. He went from bad to worse, and a month and a half later was just a shell of the man I knew before. The last time I went to see him at the hospital he was physically extremely weak and he couldn't speak. But his mind was working, you could see it in his eyes that he was completely 100% conscious. Frustrated, but conscious. Fast forward to a week later when they released him to my Mom to take him home, as they were unable to help him further, so he could spend his last few days in a familiar place. Honestly I don't remember what triggered the thought, but a night after my Mom said he was back home, I got this sick feeling in my stomach that he was holding on for us. Or something like that, that he was fighting the illness to stay with us as a family. I remember crying a little and then saying, as if speaking to a higher power, that my Dad could be taken, that he's suffering too much and his spirit needs to continue on its journey. He passed away that night. Coincidence, maybe, but it just felt I had a hand in it. Like I was calming him so he could continue his journey.

I had a friend in college who was into a lot of this. He was from St. Louis, and mentioned his Dad worked at the hospital where the little boy was exorcised. That was the story that was the basis for The Exorcist. Anyhow, he claimed that weird things happened in the hospital, and led to it being torn down and a parking lot made in its place. There's a crack in the asphalt where the boy's room was over. No matter how often they fix it or try to patch it, the crack reappears only days later. He also had tons of stories about Halloween and kids using Ouija boards. The best one of these was a kid summoning the god Odin. Apparently something bad happened and he had to go help with what he could. That's all I remember. He was an interesting guy. haha

Anyhow, there are my tales. Just odd happenings, but more stories for the thread at least.

[fuselage321]

Ok, here is my story.

I always get really scared when I think about this so give me a few minutes to post it.

Gotta Prepare Myself

[fuselage321]

One night, I was watching a movie with my parents, Saw, and I got really scared. I asked if their were ghosts(cause when I got scared then, I blamed ghosts on it) and my parents said that the only ghosts there are in the world are angels.

So, I believed.

A couple of months later, I was in my room, when all of a sudden, the power went out. It was out for about five minutes, and then it came back on.

At this time it was about 9 at night.

When the power came on, every room was fixed except for mine. My power did not go on. I kept flipping the switch, but to no avail.

So, I walked over to the door, only to find that the door wouldn't move. It can't lock, because something with the frame won't let it close all the way. So, this already made me get scared.

Then, only one light went on in my room, just the little lamp in my corner.

In shadow cast by the lamp, was a silloette(spelling?).

It looked so much like my grandfather, who had died about a year later.

Then, I heard his voice, after so many months, clear as day, speak to me saying, if you do not move out of the way now, you will die.

So, then, the door to my room flew open, and I ran out, and the windows to my room were shattered, sending HUGE chunks of broken glass right where I was standing.

Then, I saw my grandfather walking down the hallway, he put out his arms to hug me, and I reached for him, felt freaking cold, and I passed right through him.

He then turned around and told me that he was watching me from "A Better Place."

Then, he smiled, and I blacked out.

I woke up, downstairs on my sofa, with my family around me, asking what happened, with a picture of my grandfather sitting right next to my head on the sofa.

***

Well, before this, I never believed in ghosts(well, when I was little, I did.)

So, yeah. I get scared and very very happy whenever I think about this, so yeah.

Wow, now that I read that, it sounds so unbelievable.......

But, it is real, I never would lie about my grandfather.

[Mega-Tallica]

Are you pulling our legs? I kind of believe in angels and demons. I guess a ghost could be a demon... Anyway, I always think they would always just be a "presence", not visible.

And I would be freaked out if that happened to me, and probably never go back to that house again.

It is 100% true. I will never step foot in the house again.

I was one of those people that said "I'll believe it when I see it", well, I saw it alright as plain as day.

I actually just went to an abandoned insane asylum the other day here in Jersey with a group of friends. I didn't see anything super natural, but it was still scary as hell walking around inside.

[justin19954]

Well my story seems to set up like a bunch of others haha. Well anyway I was trying to go to bed one night, but for some reason I felt like something was watching me. So of course I stick my head out the sheets and see this girl. She had on a torn-up wedding dress on and it looked like she was crying becasue she had eyeliner running down her face. Well we make eye contact for about 4-5ish seconds and I scream and duck under my covers. Abiut 20 minutes later I look up and she was gone. I still don't know how I fell asleep that night haha.

[LeDannyDarko]

ok, you know that feelin' that you get .. the "i feee like somebodys watching me" feelin'???? Chanses are that someone is REALLY watchin' you. What you think that you are the one & only one that wa/i there?? NOPE DEAD WRONG!
idk, i felt like gettin' that outta my chest.
I believe in ghosts... whether they are good or bad... i always say: "Don't be scarred of the dead. Be scared of the living."

Stories?? yeah, i got a couple But, no time to type. lol sorrry.

[overdriveguitarman]

I woke up, downstairs on my sofa, with my family around me, asking what happened, with a picture of my grandfather sitting right next to my head on the sofa.


This part makes me think it might have been a dream. How did you appear on the sofa and was the picture of your grandpa always there?

[LeDannyDarko]

This part makes me think it might have been a dream. How did you appear on the sofa and was the picture of your grandpa always there?

he passed out??? they had a picture of his g-pops there??? idk.

[Lawdog1521]

Well my story seems to set up like a bunch of others haha. Well anyway I was trying to go to bed one night, but for some reason I felt like something was watching me. So of course I stick my head out the sheets and see this girl. She had on a torn-up wedding dress on and it looked like she was crying becasue she had eyeliner running down her face. Well we make eye contact for about 4-5ish seconds and I scream and duck under my covers. Abiut 20 minutes later I look up and she was gone. I still don't know how I fell asleep that night haha.

Since I had to play the skeptic when this thing first started I guess I’ll pick up that role again.

One interesting thing is that you did go back to sleep. If you were standing in the middle of a field and a lion was running at you would you just stand there? No. If you opened your front door and a guy with a machete was there would you just stand there? No. That’s because a persons fight or flight response is hard wired into them through millions of years of evolution. While you may be slow to react, you will still react.

However if you (although scared) managed to just go back to sleep with a “ghost” a few feet away that says your subconscious knew it wasn’t real, therefore not a threat. What you saw was most likely a dream, hallucination, or night terror.


This part makes me think it might have been a dream. How did you appear on the sofa and was the picture of your grandpa always there?

I agree with this one. Dreams can be very lucid and tangible to the dreamer.

[SynesterSeX]

ok, you know that feelin' that you get .. the "i feee like somebodys watching me" feelin'???? Chanses are that someone is REALLY watchin' you. What you think that you are the one & only one that wa/i there?? NOPE DEAD WRONG!
idk, i felt like gettin' that outta my chest.
I believe in ghosts... whether they are good or bad... i always say: "Don't be scarred of the dead. Be scared of the living."

Yea i know what you mean by this...its pretty frustrating to be honest. I cant stand the feeling because im pretty aware of my surroundings. I do believe in ghosts, yet i dont believe in the afterlife. I got so many questions regarding my beliefs, but i dont wanna bore anyone. :)

Since i do believe in ghosts, ever stop to think that maybe they know what going to happen to us?

[Lawdog1521]

What I’m more creeped out by is if ghost are real they’ve got nothing better to do than watch me. Get a life... oh wait. Sorry.

[Soratar]

One night, I was watching a movie with my parents, Saw, and I got really scared. I asked if their were ghosts(cause when I got scared then, I blamed ghosts on it) and my parents said that the only ghosts there are in the world are angels.

So, I believed.

A couple of months later, I was in my room, when all of a sudden, the power went out. It was out for about five minutes, and then it came back on.

At this time it was about 9 at night.

When the power came on, every room was fixed except for mine. My power did not go on. I kept flipping the switch, but to no avail.

So, I walked over to the door, only to find that the door wouldn't move. It can't lock, because something with the frame won't let it close all the way. So, this already made me get scared.

Then, only one light went on in my room, just the little lamp in my corner.

In shadow cast by the lamp, was a silloette(spelling?).

It looked so much like my grandfather, who had died about a year later.

Then, I heard his voice, after so many months, clear as day, speak to me saying, if you do not move out of the way now, you will die.

So, then, the door to my room flew open, and I ran out, and the windows to my room were shattered, sending HUGE chunks of broken glass right where I was standing.

Then, I saw my grandfather walking down the hallway, he put out his arms to hug me, and I reached for him, felt freaking cold, and I passed right through him.

He then turned around and told me that he was watching me from "A Better Place."

Then, he smiled, and I blacked out.

I woke up, downstairs on my sofa, with my family around me, asking what happened, with a picture of my grandfather sitting right next to my head on the sofa.

***

Well, before this, I never believed in ghosts(well, when I was little, I did.)

So, yeah. I get scared and very very happy whenever I think about this, so yeah.

Wow, now that I read that, it sounds so unbelievable.......

But, it is real, I never would lie about my grandfather.

That was probably his angel watching over you. I believe ghosts are demons. Wether they seem friendly or not, they obviously didn't go to heaven. On all those Ghost Hunting TV shows, the ghosts always seem to be saying something rude. Like, "Get out.", "I want you.", "Away." You know, stuff along those lines. This does, however, bring up a question: How can you tell ghosts apart from angels?

My question for you: was your window still broken when you woke up?


This part makes me think it might have been a dream. How did you appear on the sofa and was the picture of your grandpa always there?

Sleep walking. I used to do it a bunch. My dad told me that one night I walked down my staircase and almost tripped on the last step. I then turned around and went back up to my bed. I woke up with my pillow at my feet. :rolleyes:

[SynesterSeX]

What I’m more creeped out by is if ghost are real they’ve got nothing better to do than watch me. Get a life... oh wait. Sorry.

Haha way to go