Christian Bands

[thehobbits]

Have you ever considered putting in more Christian bands? I was thrilled to see Flyleaf in there. They are so many Christian bands that could be put in that every one would like. Thousand Foot Krutch, Discple, Kutless, Skillet, The Wedding are just a few examples. And if you want more girls songs, Barlow Girl and some more Flyleaf could be added. Rockband could attract a whole new crowd if more Christian bands were on it. Plus, I think they would be fun to play.

[Renegade1007]

You're opening up a Hornets nest with this post...I would love to see some Christian bands but there are some people who are going to flame the flame out of you...

[OmegaJ5]

I would love to see some good christian bands on Rock band but i doubt it would happen seeing that not too many people agree with the idea. but im all for it though, i'd love to see Relient K, Pillar, Seventh Day Slumber, and Anberlin

[Nole4fClover]

I'm not religious at all, but I love rockin' out to Skillet and Project 86. :cool:

[TheGreatKtulu]

You know, a lot of these "christian" bands would probably be a lot more successful if they didn't blatantly take that label.

I mean, seriously. There's an instant knee-jerk reaction to the words "christian rock" so no one's going to even want to give any of these bands a chance. When in reality a lot of them just play decent music and it's not obvious in their lyrics. Stop labeling them. You're only hurting their chances at popularity.

[SenRaq]

People thought rock would die out, and now we are playing games dedicated to rock. I think the Christian Rock genre is here to stay, and many people are listening with a different ear. You named some great bands, that if given the chance in the game, most people would realize that the music rocks period. Not sure how long this post will last before it gets burned and locked, for some people feel uncomfortable with rock music that is different from theirs.

Must have bands that would kill this game
1)Skillet
2)Disciple
3)Flyleaf - you got a taste, now bring on the heavy hitters

For my softer rockers out there
1)Relient K
2)Switchfoot
3)David Crowder Band

[thehobbits]

I see it this way. If they put in some songs from some of these bands that people will download them. And if the person doesn't want the band or like the music, then they won't download it. I personally believe that alot of people will download it even if they dont listen to Christian music. You will still have the Die-Hard Rockband people who download everything along with people wanting bands like Skillet, Pillar, etc. They are so many bands I didn't mention like Relient K and maybe even some Family Force 5.

[anbforchrist]

I think Jesus Freak by DC Talk is pretty decent, I keep it in my playlist with the rest of my rock songs, is still good to me

[Joatmon]

goddamn why wont these people go away.

Because a majority of Americans believe in God. I am sorry you don't but your comments are't welcome in this thread, why did you waste your time coming here? Why ya gotta be a hater? Why stir up stuff in a thread where you don't feel comfortable? Nothing better to do than to cause contention? Shouldn't you be burning a cross somewhere or complaining to your friends that good people are trying to have a discussion about things you don't care about?

Don't go away mad, just go away (From a Motley Crue song)

[CamL]

I would LOVE to have Thousand Foot Krutch in the game.

Yes, they're a christian band, but their music isn't overtly religious, which is why I like their stuff so much. (I'm an atheist)

[SenRaq]

I know! Tried feeding them to the lions, but it didn't quite work out the way I planned.

Now thats FUNNY!!

Know your rights to RRROOOCCCKKK!!!

[BuRn7 CaK3]

I would love to see some good christian bands on Rock band but i doubt it would happen seeing that not too many people agree with the idea. but im all for it though, i'd love to see Relient K, Pillar, Seventh Day Slumber, and Anberlin

Skillet, Barlow Girl, P.O.D, and old relient K, and more Flyleaf. That would be killer. Christian Bands would be killer to see in DLC.



People thought rock would die out, and now we are playing games dedicated to rock. I think the Christian Rock genre is here to stay, and many people are listening with a different ear. You named some great bands, that if given the chance in the game, most people would realize that the music rocks period. Not sure how long this post will last before it gets burned and locked, for some people feel uncomfortable with rock music that is different from theirs.

Must have bands that would kill this game
1)Skillet
2)Disciple
3)Flyleaf - you got a taste, now bring on the heavy hitters

For my softer rockers out there
1)Relient K
2)Switchfoot
3)David Crowder Band

I like those 6, they're nice.

[MeleeMan]

I would hate Christian music infecting our game. I'd rather listen to Soulja Boy than Christian music. And I hate Soulja Boy. Why do you guys try to poison a good game with your music? We need more good music than that crap.

[King_Nuthin]

What I don't understand is why can't these people make their request without mentioning a band's faith. Why not just start a thread for Relient K or whatever other band you want and suggest songs and why they would be good. Quite a few bands I like are political in nature but I don't come in asking for political bands because I don't play games to think about politics and I don't come here to start flame wars.

Personally I think most Christian music is just grade-B copycat secular music where all too frequently the artist tries to also appeal to secular crowds by writing love songs to Jesus that might be confused for being about that hot girl that sits next to you in English class.

Another good one is you should check out Christian Band X! They sound just like Band Y! So tell me why would I want a song by the Christian Metallica or the Christian Green Day instead of the real deal?

So again, instead of making the million and first post requesting "Christian Music" just post about the artist, tell us why they'd be great for Rock Band and leave their faith out of it.

[Bolzen]

As long as we have an equivalent amount of satanist music, I'm all for it. Just gotta make sure we stay fair and balanced.

[Rattlehead]

Tourniquet is all the game needs. End of topic :D

[killroy420]

Oooh Christian music. That would be awesome. And while we are at it, lets not forget to include Jewish Rock. And Buddhist music, and Muslim music (can't forget them).

We also should include Mormon music, Ahmish music, Catholic music, Hindu music, and polka.

If your going to include a religious label on the music IT DOES NOT BELONG in this game. I am fine with flyleaf, and have heard my share of excellent religious groups, but the momentthey get classified their alue gets destroyed and controversy intstantly ensues.

Instead of saying "how about we include some Chirstian Rock?", why don't you just say "Skillet, Disciple, Flyleaf, etc are awesome groups i would like to see.

Please don't force religion down mine nor anyone else's throats by including religious labels. It's not only wrong, it's annoying.

[0tj]

What I don't understand is why can't these people make their request without mentioning a band's faith. Why not just start a thread for Relient K or whatever other band you want and suggest songs and why they would be good. Quite a few bands I like are political in nature but I don't come in asking for political bands because I don't play games to think about politics and I don't come here to start flame wars.

Personally I think most Christian music is just grade-B copycat secular music where all too frequently the artist tries to also appeal to secular crowds by writing love songs to Jesus that might be confused for being about that hot girl that sits next to you in English class.

Another good one is you should check out Christian Band X! They sound just like Band Y! So tell me why would I want a song by the Christian Metallica or the Christian Green Day instead of the real deal?

So again, instead of making the million and first post requesting "Christian Music" just post about the artist, tell us why they'd be great for Rock Band and leave their faith out of it.

First of all it's a genre. If they just said Alt Rock then other bands would be in there. Instead of starting millions of different threads about different Christian bands, they just request Christian rock. Makes sense to me.

[dfjdejulio]

Oooh Christian music. That would be awesome. And while we are at it, lets not forget to include Jewish Rock. And Buddhist music, and Muslim music (can't forget them).

Actually, we do have one lady at the office who will only agree to sing along once I get ahold of some Hindu chants. So, yes please, can we have some Hindu chants? (In a pinch, I'll take some Bhangra instead.)

[King_Nuthin]

First of all it's a genre. If they just said Alt Rock then other bands would be in there. Instead of starting millions of different threads about different Christian bands, they just request Christian rock. Makes sense to me.
So Flyleaf=Amy Grant=POD=DC Talk=MXPX=Jars of Clay=Skillet=Mute Math=Stryper? Its all the same? I'm sure the artists wouldn't agree. In fact I pulled this from Switchfoot's wikipedia entry:

Switchfoot is often referred to as a "Christian band", mostly due to their involvement with the Christian rock scene in their early days. But the band has always shunned this label. "For us, it's a faith, not a genre", says Jon Foreman. "We've always been very open and honest about where the songs are coming from. For us, these songs are for everyone. Calling us 'Christian rock' tends to be a box that closes some people out and excludes them. And that's not what we're trying to do. Music has always opened my mind — and that's what we want".

But hey, if people are going to insist that its just one big tent genre then I will stick to my generalization that its just a lame copy of secular music with a singular theme.

[jman4371]

two bands that would be great:
1.Hawk Nelson(their music rocks!!!!)
2.Relient K

[Quinarvy]

What I don't understand is why can't these people make their request without mentioning a band's faith. Why not just start a thread for Relient K or whatever other band you want and suggest songs and why they would be good. Quite a few bands I like are political in nature but I don't come in asking for political bands because I don't play games to think about politics and I don't come here to start flame wars.

Personally I think most Christian music is just grade-B copycat secular music where all too frequently the artist tries to also appeal to secular crowds by writing love songs to Jesus that might be confused for being about that hot girl that sits next to you in English class.

Another good one is you should check out Christian Band X! They sound just like Band Y! So tell me why would I want a song by the Christian Metallica or the Christian Green Day instead of the real deal?

So again, instead of making the million and first post requesting "Christian Music" just post about the artist, tell us why they'd be great for Rock Band and leave their faith out of it.

I agree with this statement. I'm almost beginning to think that the term "Christian Rock" was made up to attract well, Christians.

[0tj]

Hey the way I see it, if they are Christian and they are a rock band, they are a Christian rock band. I don't really care if they "shun" the title. Christian rock refers to the bands under that description.

[Quinarvy]

Hey the way I see it, if they are Christian and they are a rock band, they are a Christian rock band. I don't really care if they "shun" the title. Christian rock refers to the bands under that description.

Then its not a genre. Which means start requesting bands and not their religion.

[Snuggles]

S T R Y P E R the Yellow and Black attack is on the come back.....


Snuggles

[Clash77]

People complain about having someone's religion crammed down their throats on RB, however there's a blatantly anti-Christian song on the game.

[TheGreatKtulu]

People complain about having someone's religion crammed down their throats on RB, however there's a blatantly anti-Christian song on the game.

...and what song is that? Maybe I'm just having a blank mind moment, but I don't recall anything anti-anything.

[Renegade1007]

People complain about having someone's religion crammed down their throats on RB, however there's a blatantly anti-Christian song on the game.

I don't know if this is true or not, but if it is...There's also Flyleaf on there for one....but thats beside the point I was making

NO one would be having "religion" forced on them because its DLC....

[Clash77]

...and what song is that? Maybe I'm just having a blank mind moment, but I don't recall anything anti-anything.

Hand That Feeds, sure somebody could say it's about anything else in it's defense ("oh it's about his cat or something"), but anybody that can read between the lines knows what he's on about.

Edit: The problem I have with the song is that I'm a vocalist on XBL most of the time, so I actually have to focus on the words of songs. And it's very frustrating when your friends want to play it and you've got words scrolling across the screen that are basically saying "do you really believe" and crap. I just say it's not one of my favorite songs and skip it. They did such a good job picking all the other songs, I don't know why they threw that one in there. It's really annoying. There's no rule that says you've got to mix rock 'n roll with religion. Even without the subject matter, it's not even a very good song anyway, it's repetitive and boring. A couple more that aren't blatantly anti-Christian, but certainly don't put Christianity in a positive light:

Enter Sandman - Mocking a child's prayer
Say It Ain't So - "You've cleaned up found Jesus", this could be taken positive or negative, but the tone of the song isn't exactly positive. The phrase is kind of condescending.
Welcome Home - "You stormed off to scar the armada, Like Jesus played martyr, I'll drill through your hands". Another mockery of the crucifixion.

[pntbllrspdr]

I would love to see some Relient K or This Providence

[dfjdejulio]

Hand That Feeds, sure somebody could say it's about anything else in it's defense ("oh it's about his cat or something"), but anybody that can read between the lines knows what he's on about.

Huh, go figure. Never struck me that way -- just seems anti-authoritarian to me, which there's a very long tradition of in rock music.

[Clash77]

Huh, go figure. Never struck me that way -- just seems anti-authoritarian to me, which there's a very long tradition of in rock music.

"What if this whole crusade's
A charade
And behind it all there's a price to be paid
For the blood
On which we dine
Justified in the name of the holy and the divine

Just how deep do you believe?
Will you bite the hand that feeds?
Will you chew until it bleeds?
Can you get up off your knees?
Are you brave enough to see?
Do you want to change it?

So naive
I keep holding on to what I want to believe
I can see
But I keep holding on and on and on and on"

To me that's pretty obvious, but I guess to some it wouldn't be. Coming from Trent Reznor, I wouldn't be surprised if he was referring to Christianity, he has in the past.

Anti-authoritarian would be something like The Who, Stones, or alot of the other bands in the game.

I know it's a lot of material they put in the game and I doubt anybody at Harmonix intentionally decided to offend anybody. They probably just thought it was a cool sounding song. But still, when you pay over $150 for a game, bring it home and start hearing how crap your religion is, it sucks. I've been listening to music for 20 years and can think of a ton of other Metallica, Weezer, and NIN songs to put on the game that have nothing to do with religion.

[Insane3]

Yeah, I understand your point Clash, but in fact, this song doesn't insults your religion, it critics the church and the autority that has been based around religion. It critics the fact that church is able to manipulate the people and bring them to war (crusades). It's the same thing as rwanda genocide or WWII genocide. Authority manipulated people using the stupidity of masses. I'm agnostic, but i believe that christianity is a beautiful belief. Jesus preached for love, not for any kind of war.
Now I think that every good song is welcomed but not under any religious label. Christian rock is a stupid term. The name doesn't sounds like any genre, it sounds like propaganda.
But there should definitely be some Chuck Berry, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin and Jimi Hendrix lol.

[Clash77]

Yeah, I understand your point Clash, but in fact, this song doesn't insults your religion, it critics the church and the autority that has been based around religion. It critics the fact that church is able to manipulate the people and bring them to war (crusades). It's the same thing as rwanda genocide or WWII genocide. Authority manipulated people using the stupidity of masses. I'm agnostic, but i believe that christianity is a beautiful belief. Jesus preached for love, not for any kind of war.
Now I think that every good song is welcomed but not under any religious label. Christian rock is a stupid term. The name doesn't sounds like any genre, it sounds like propaganda.
But there should definitely be some Chuck Berry, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin and Jimi Hendrix lol.

When you put it that way it doesn't sound as bad. I've got my own issues with the church, but regardless, like you reiterated, I just don't want to hear about it on a game when I'm trying to have fun. That's all I'm sayin. I'll shut up now.

[thehobbits]

So I have been reading the forums and I have to agree with the one. It says something on the lines of don't bash some one else's type of music. I had to laugh when the one person said something about Christian music infecting "their" game. News flash, this just isn't your game. It's mine as well along with other Christians. And so I want to stick up for my faith and I'm saying I would like to hear bands on there that are my bands. If you don't like my bands, then Hey DONT DOWNLOAD THEM!!! Its that simple. Stop trying to tear down the bands I listen to, along with other people. If people want these bands then so be it. In the end, people will down load bands like Thousand Foot Krutch and so on. Im not asking for the whole game to be turned into Christian music, all I'm asking for is some songs of my bands along with others.

Recap on Bands I would like...

Thousand Foot Krutch, Toby Mac, Skillet, Disciple, Red, The Wedding, Family Force 5, Relient K, Pillar, Kutless, Hawk Nelson, Barlow Girl, Superchic(k)


those are just a few. Im also not saying all those bands have to be in there, but i would like it if some were.

[plankeye]

Have you ever considered putting in more Christian bands? I was thrilled to see Flyleaf in there. They are so many Christian bands that could be put in that every one would like. Thousand Foot Krutch, Discple, Kutless, Skillet, The Wedding are just a few examples. And if you want more girls songs, Barlow Girl and some more Flyleaf could be added. Rockband could attract a whole new crowd if more Christian bands were on it. Plus, I think they would be fun to play.

I completely agree! I love TFK, Skillet, Sanctus Real and OF COURSE Plankeye (thus the name) and obviously a bunch more. Here in Dallas, we have a great alternative Christian radio station, www.897powerfm.com (http://www.897powerfm.com). You can even listen LIVE online.

If Harmonix would sell a Christian download, I'd DEFINITELY buy it.

<>< Plankeye...

[Transbrak]

im staying out of this topic for the most part, but next time do some research.

The lyrics are a biting satirical picture of anyone who is passively complaining about a powerful organization but has not acted upon those complaints yet. They may concern the American public, and possibly all the world, regarding their inaction against George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq.

"What if this whole crusade's
A charade?
And behind it all there's a price to be paid
For the blood
On which we dine
Justified in the name of the holy and the divine"
NIN were due to play this song at the 2005 MTV Movie Awards, but dropped out due to conflicts between Trent Reznor and MTV concerning the band's plan to incorporate an image of George W. Bush into the performance. An announcement made by Trent Reznor on the NIN website on May 26 stated:

"Nine Inch Nails will not be performing at the MTV Movie Awards as previously announced. We were set to perform 'The Hand That Feeds' with an unmolested, straightforward image of George W. Bush as the backdrop. Apparently, the image of our president is as offensive to MTV as it is to me. See you on tour this fall when we return to play in America."

The following day, MTV stated,

"While we respect Nine Inch Nails' point of view, we were uncomfortable with their performance being built around a partisan political statement. When we discussed our discomfort with the band, their choice was to unfortunately pull out of the Movie Awards."



not that there arent good anti religion NIN songs but thats not really one of them.

[KaneTaker]

I would actually be cool with this. Their are, in fact, some excellent Christian-themed bands. I'm not afraid to say it, I like Creed. Odd considering my other musical tastes, but oh well. DC Talk also are a good band as well as Tourniquet.

Could do a Christian pack one week, followed by a Pagan pack the next. Of course the only Pagan bands that come to mind immediately are Godsmack and Fleetwood Mac. Can't see those two going together very well.

[Piratelion]

My choices (i will not put overly religious lyrics so people wont flame)

Stryper - Calling on you, Free and Always there for you

Tourniquet- White Knuckling the Rosary, Vanishing Lessons and Besprinkle in Scarlet Horror

Disciple - I like old Disciple better than new Disciple, but old is overly religious, so i will say Back Again, The Wait is over and Regime Change

Saviour Machine -Killer, Carnival of souls, Behold a pale horse

Bride- The Worm, Too Tired and Rattlesnakes

Galactic Cowboys- Ants, Disney Spinning and 9 of June

[Lamminator357]

I wouldn't call myself a Christian because I'm not religious, but I do agree there are some good Christian bands. My personal favorite is Showbread and I would be pumped to see them added to Rock Band

[Sambo]

Whoever said they like Creed, I'm with you! Creed is still one of my favorite bands today, and any of their songs could fit into RB!

OK back to the topic, AGAIN, why do we need another Christian-bashing thread? One is worse enough, but if I have to tell it again, I guess I have to.

KEEP YOUR THOUGHTS TO YOURSELF!

If you hate religion, that's fine! You don't need to say it out loud! Either way, there's already a Christian band on there (Flyleaf), so DEAL WITH IT!

[obsoleteshock]

I'll be happy when I get my 3-pack of songs by bands that adhere to the principles of Flying Spaghetti Monsterism.

[bklynpnk]

"Enter Sandman - Mocking a child's prayer
Say It Ain't So - "You've cleaned up found Jesus", this could be taken positive or negative, but the tone of the song isn't exactly positive. The phrase is kind of condescending.
Welcome Home - "You stormed off to scar the armada, Like Jesus played martyr, I'll drill through your hands". Another mockery of the crucifixion."

This is why religion as a whole needs to be stopped. Any reference you can find automatically becomes slanderous if it isn't blatantly praising.

Enter sandman. The prayer is something said right before bed...hence the name Enter f**cking Sandman. It isn't mocking, it is leading you towards what is going to get her in her sleep.

Say it ain't so: if you actually listened to the rest of the lyrics, it is about alcoholism. Alcoholics Anon. is fairly religious in it's steps. It isn't mocking his religion, if anything it is condescending at the fathers ability to stay sober.

Welcome home: I fail to see how this mocks the crucifixion other than mentioning drilling hands. Look up the definition of Martyr. There is no slander there. If they said he was a puppet or called him a fake martyr then I would definitely agree. No, it sounds as if someone (who the song is about) is playing the victim, and the drilling line is more along the lines of a "i'll give you something to cry about". This would be called a religious metaphor

[CrimsonEdge]

Could do a Christian pack one week, followed by a Pagan pack the next. Of course the only Pagan bands that come to mind immediately are Godsmack and Fleetwood Mac. Can't see those two going together very well.

:|

If you want to strike a balance you would add in Bad Religion.

[bklynpnk]

I am all for adding Bad Religion. Perhaps Stranger than Fiction? or Atomic Garden would be killer.

[Renegade1007]

"Enter Sandman - Mocking a child's prayer
Say It Ain't So - "You've cleaned up found Jesus", this could be taken positive or negative, but the tone of the song isn't exactly positive. The phrase is kind of condescending.
Welcome Home - "You stormed off to scar the armada, Like Jesus played martyr, I'll drill through your hands". Another mockery of the crucifixion."

This is why religion as a whole needs to be stopped. Any reference you can find automatically becomes slanderous if it isn't blatantly praising.

Enter sandman. The prayer is something said right before bed...hence the name Enter f**cking Sandman. It isn't mocking, it is leading you towards what is going to get her in her sleep.

Say it ain't so: if you actually listened to the rest of the lyrics, it is about alcoholism. Alcoholics Anon. is fairly religious in it's steps. It isn't mocking his religion, if anything it is condescending at the fathers ability to stay sober.

Welcome home: I fail to see how this mocks the crucifixion other than mentioning drilling hands. Look up the definition of Martyr. There is no slander there. If they said he was a puppet or called him a fake martyr then I would definitely agree. No, it sounds as if someone (who the song is about) is playing the victim, and the drilling line is more along the lines of a "i'll give you something to cry about". This would be called a religious metaphor


Besides the first paragraph, I'm gonna have to QFT this....I'm Christian and I think that a lot of Christians are too thin skinned.

EDIT: But the same is true for the other side....One mention of Christ and the other side gets all up in arms unless it is an obvious bash on the name of Christ

EDIT 2: YES! CREED FTW!

[TribalDancer]

Besides the first paragraph, I'm gonna have to QFT this....I'm Christian and I think that a lot of Christians are too thin skinned.

EDIT: But the same is true for the other side....One mention of Christ and the other side gets all up in arms unless it is an obvious bash on the name of Christ

EDIT 2: YES! CREED FTW!

I agree on all fronts.

People need to realize that not everyone who expresses and opinion which relates to faith/spirituality (a claim to it or an aversion to it) is automatically fundamentalist in their opinions. I am a Christian, but completely accept other faiths and approaches to life. I am liberal in my politics and social practices. Why does me being a Christian imply I am rigid in my faith? Or that my friend who is atheist couldn't possibly relate to me, or vice versa?

In short: The Evil Media.

Don't believe the hype.

[thehobbits]

Ok, so I havent been on the forums in a while, but still been playing rockband. So i reread some of the things said in here. The one person said something about there already being another post about Christian bands. well if that is the case, isn't that a sign that people would like some more Christian bands? and to the other person who said flyleaf was on there so deal with it. Im not sure if you were talking about me trying to get more Christian bands on it or something else but if you were talking about me let me put it this way. As a Christian, there is 1 song that i really like versus all the other secular songs. so how is that fair? Once again, im not trying them to get all christian songs because i know that will never happen. I would just like some more songs that i would enjoy playing more. Im even willing to pay for the downloads. So to all you negative people about this thread, please dont leave any comments to this thread. I dont go around to other threads bashing your music and say what a bad idea i think it is. Its just a matter of opinion.

[WyldeMan58]

Maybe some August Burns Red or The Showdown's old stuff

[DMBillies]

Understanding that all artists have beliefs that help guide what their music is and what form it takes, I tend to shy away from any band that is bounded by a "nearly" all encompassing theme. When that theme results in a band receiving a very specific label, they have usually earned it...

Such a heavy focus on one topic or style really limits the possibilities. I think this is where many "christian rock" groups fall into a trap that brings about the knee-jerk reaction by others. If you don't want a label as a christian rock band, don't have over half of your song titles referencing god or your religion. If you're christian and you write a song about god, that's fine, but allowing your religion to define you and the majority of your songs is exceedingly boring, especially if you are not christian.

This same principle applies to other genres:

I don't like gangsta rap, not because I don't think it has some musical merit, but because I don't really want to hear about pimps, hoes, bling, and poppin' caps in every song.

I don't like death metal because I can scream and growl into a mic without anyone being able to understand me too... not to mention exceedingly unoriginal chord crunching riffs... and a whole lot of anger (lighten up)

The point is every band has a sound, but the biggest and longest lasting are those that are musically talented, able to evolve their sound across the decades, and who have a varied enough library to capture and keep a wide variety of fans' interest. It serves HMX and the majority of us to include as many bands that fit the above criteria as possible... and in many cases christian rock does not. This is not to say that there aren't possibilities (and in fact I think Flyleaf was a good choice), but I haven't even heard of at least 3/4 of the bands listed... which means I'm not going to pay the price to download them.


On another note, there is only going to be a limited amount of DLC that can possibly be produced, so one of the reasons people get bent out of shape about seeing music they don't care for is that those songs are taking the place of other songs they'd rather see. The "if you don't like it don't download it" defense for getting more varied/less popular/more niche market kinds of music is an exercise in faulty logic... that's not to say that I don't understand that everyone has different interests, but it is certainly true that another person or group getting a type of music on RB that I don't care for is limiting my ability to get the most enjoyment possible out of the game (that's why this thread even exists in the first place... because someone doesn't think their favorite music is in the game enough).

[Trootling]

... but I hope to the gods that harmonix doesn't waste any time or effort on Xtian bands that the vast majority of the fanbase isn't interested in, at least not until they have invested solid efforts on Zep, the Doors, and about fifty other classic rock acts, along with Prince, George Clinton, and an entire untapped R&B and Soul genre, and followed up with Cake, Ween, and about 200 other indie rock outfits that are of far more import, from a purely musical and pop-cultural perspective, than any of the second-rate pre-packaged marketing projects hucked under the Xtian label... Not flaming, I can respect that others have a different viewpoint, but I'm just standing up for what's right to make this game a success. More than the smallest nod to "Christian Rock," until they flesh out the library with 500+ entries of more significant material, will really cause Harmonix to lose credibility with the mainstream Rolling Stone/ Spin magazine set that they need to satiate in order to have long-term success with this awesome game.

[Trootling]

In spite of what I said above, I have to admit I would like to see "Jesus Touched Me" by Faith + 1...

[iamtheddrman]

...that are of far more import, from a purely musical and pop-cultural perspective, than any of the second-rate pre-packaged marketing projects hucked under the Xtian label

I'm sorry, how is that not flaming?

And how ignorant is it to say that EVERY band on a Christian label is second-rate? Switchfoot started out on a Christian label, NeedToBreathe recorded independently as a Christian band before signing with Atlantic, Skillet is still under a Christian label (and they rock harder than most secular bands), and many others that I don't care to list at the moment.

In short, actually *listen* to some Christian rock groups before declaring them all second-rate based on their beliefs vs. your own beliefs.

[Parodygm]

Not really interested in bands that drive their marketing based on faith or have overtly religious lyrics (I'm an atheist), but I'd definitely be interested in music by some bands that have fairly strong beliefs.

I'd be happy to see some of Talk Talk, The Autumns and Mute Math.

[Trootling]

I'm sorry, how is that not flaming?

And how ignorant is it to say that EVERY band on a Christian label is second-rate? Switchfoot started out on a Christian label, NeedToBreathe recorded independently as a Christian band before signing with Atlantic, Skillet is still under a Christian label (and they rock harder than most secular bands), and many others that I don't care to list at the moment.

In short, actually *listen* to some Christian rock groups before declaring them all second-rate based on their beliefs vs. your own beliefs.

Switchfork? Skillet? that other one? huh? I can 100&#37; honestly tell you I have never heard of those bands, and I have subscribed to Rolling Stone and paid casual attention to the general musical zeitgeist since the early 90's... Perhaps you are a devoted Christian rock follower, no doubt picking up your new musical exposure from Christian sources, but don't confuse your own familiarity and enthusiasm with that with the mainstream.

Sorry if you feel that it is a FLAME* to offer a simple factual observation that people who simply follow mainstream culture don't have much exposure to or interest in Christian Rock. The fact that bands may have signed with major LABELS doesn't make them mainstream, when their AUDIENCE is still 99% Christian (I'll assume there is some small fraction that doesn't share their basic doctrinal orientation).

To each their own, certainly, but the fact is these bands are not widely popular outside Christian circles, and there's gotta be a reason for that... and allow me to preemptively request that you not start suggesting there is a vast anti-christian conspiracy our majority-christian culture...

Bottom line-- it doesn't have mass appeal to the general public. Consider me part of the general public. And allow me to implore Harmonix, anew, to focus on innovative and important music (important in terms of having the most widespread listenership and influence), rather than on music that is merely an ideologically skewed derivative thereof.


*"Flame" to me suggests baseless and intentionally offensive stuff that is primarily posted for shock value, frequently profane and usually without substance... maybe you disagree.

[iamtheddrman]

You have every right to say that you don't like them. And I understand that you (and others) may not have heard of Skillet and NTB, but Switchfoot is most definitely a mainstream band. I won't say that they're hardcore rock, because they aren't. But they are a good rock band that sells out all kinds of shows, and I would venture to say that a good portion (not quite half) of their following are non-Christians.

As a matter of fact, the last time I went to a Switchfoot concert, the distinct smell of weed was in the air and I recall hearing more than a few people say something to this effect: "There's no way Switchfoot is a Christian band, they write too good of music. They're too cool for that. Et cetera."

And I would also step out and say that most Christian bands are not popular outside of Christian circles because atheists/agnostics tend to be completely turned off by the fact that they're Christians in a band. Most atheists/agnostics in these threads immediately flame us for requesting/listening to "religious" music because it somehow offends them. They give no effort to listen to the music and appreciate the musical talent that many (not all) Christian bands have.

I gave Coheed and Cambria a chance when I'd never heard of them before this game. I previewed the "Number of the Beast" on YouTube to give it a fair shot, since I might have liked it. I actually kinda like C&C now and DLed the NotB track. Maybe if people were as open-minded as they told other people to be, we'd have a better world to live in.

How many Christians did you see start threads on here protesting the release of "Number of the Beast" as DLC? And the ironic part of that, is that even though it has Satanic references (which is a product of religion), the atheists/agnostics didn't complain about it having religious themes. That's called picking-and-choosing what parts of religion to take offense to if you ask me.

[IxSaintKnightxI]

Mutemath has a really great shot of having a song for Rock Band. I would really like Typical.

Also, Pillar has a shot at making it if Harmonix made a Rock Anthem Pack. Frontline and their new song For the Love of the Game could easily make it for an Anthem pack.

[thecusp]

I'd love to get Blindside on here, they are pretty hard, not overtly spiritual lyrics. DL the song Pitiful for a listen.

Could you make a Christian rock pack without DC Talk? I remember when the Jesus Freak album came out, before I was a Christian, and it absolutely rocked, changed the way I thought, about Christian music lacking substance. Regardless of one's religious views, they almost single-handedly put the genre on mainstream radio, like The Clash did for punk or the Beastie Boys did for rap. None of these bands were the first by any means, but they all released fantastic albums at the right time and refused to be ignored.

Jesus Freak may be too Christian for some to get past, but that is what made them such a great band, they were completely unapologetic. It's not offensive to hear someone else's beliefs, it takes all kinds of people to make the world go round.

So my 3 pack would be:

1. DC Talk (Jesus Freak, So Help Me God or Between You and Me)
2. Switchfoot (anything, they rock)
3. Delirious? (God in Heaven, Rain Down, anything off World Service)

And for what it's worth, I'm not offended by any of the songs in Rockband. Music can't bug you if you don't let it.

[jbrocker56]

I am amazed at how many atheist we have on in this thread can`t we all get along and just love music for music I really want some Christian music two but i`m not gonna force someone to love it we are just all trying to get what we wont into this game if you don`t like Christian music in this game then don`t buy it if they put it in here I don`t hear you getting mad that they got flyleaf in this game and they have Christian lyrics in their songs

[Trootling]

.....

And I would also step out and say that most Christian bands are not popular outside of Christian circles because atheists/agnostics tend to be completely turned off by the fact that they're Christians in a band. Most atheists/agnostics in these threads immediately flame us for requesting/listening to "religious" music because it somehow offends them. They give no effort to listen to the music and appreciate the musical talent that many (not all) Christian bands have.

I gave Coheed and Cambria a chance when I'd never heard of them before this game. I previewed the "Number of the Beast" on YouTube to give it a fair shot, since I might have liked it. I actually kinda like C&C now and DLed the NotB track. Maybe if people were as open-minded as they told other people to be, we'd have a better world to live in.

How many Christians did you see start threads on here protesting the release of "Number of the Beast" as DLC? And the ironic part of that, is that even though it has Satanic references (which is a product of religion), the atheists/agnostics didn't complain about it having religious themes. That's called picking-and-choosing what parts of religion to take offense to if you ask me.

I am secure enough with myself and my points that i will agree with what you say above; the very fact it is "Christian" rock actually turns non-christians off. I don't like being preached to, and I don't like to be misinterpreted as lending credence to the religious message.

As to Coheed and Cambria, I do have to point out that they are a hugely successful band; that is a band that has appeared in Rolling Stone a lot in the last few years, and I'd venture to guess they have sold a lot more albums, especially when you adjust the stats for the Christian Rock marketing juggernaut effect. So apart from any religious issues, that's a major point of distinction as to their "Rock Band" worthiness.

But I'll also take issue with your suggestion that "Number of the Beast" is a religious song at all. There is a massive amount of irony to "devil rock"-- and irony is entirely missing from any and all Christian Rock that I've ever bothered to listen to (admittedly, hardly any at all). In fact, one of the things I object to Christian Rock the most is the saccharine quality of the lyrics.

But, in closing, I want to emphasize that my major objection to emphasizing Christian Rock for inclusion in this video game is simply that, with so much amazing and historically important rock music that has yet to be included in the content, Christian Rock is simply a marginal and relatively insignificant bywater that really doesn't deserve the attention.

I mean, sh!t, there are barely even any black artists in the current Rock Band content! And until Harmonix justifies that massive oversight (Prince?? George Clinton??? Michael Jackson and Lenny Kravitz even??) it would just plain be weird (and pandering) to focus any energy on Christian material, from a purely rational market-share and music-history perpective. The one song in the current content by Flygear (or whatever that band is called) is already a blantant "gimme" to the Christ-rock. Enough.

[crunchyoverseas]

They really rock!

We should get some buddhists and muslim and taoist bands in there as well!

[Insane3]

Whoever said they like Creed, I'm with you! Creed is still one of my favorite bands today, and any of their songs could fit into RB!

OK back to the topic, AGAIN, why do we need another Christian-bashing thread? One is worse enough, but if I have to tell it again, I guess I have to.

KEEP YOUR THOUGHTS TO YOURSELF!

If you hate religion, that's fine! You don't need to say it out loud! Either way, there's already a Christian band on there (Flyleaf), so DEAL WITH IT!

Yeah, well people don't need to say anything out loud. People don't need to say they love Jesus out loud. But people do. I agree that bashing on anything is stupid but people are allowed to say their opinion if they respect others. I don't like the impact of religion on population. I think some believers should think about subjects like abortion or homosexuality by themselves before taking their religion's side right away. Religions has been very important to many societies but it also caused horrific wars and conflicts. Anyway, I agree that good bands should be in Rock Band but not under any religious label for the same reason that many people would not agree about a muslim pack, jew pack, hindu pack or even scientology pack (I don't know if such music exists lol). I personnaly never heard any christian rock band and if i did i didnt notice, but I don't want a video game to take any side in the religious debate. It's a game and it should not promote any religion at all, even if in United States, most people believe in it. You know... there are other countries.

[Thallis]

You don't need to be a non-Christian to know that Christian rock sucks. Seriously.

[mando86]

It's funny how people constantly bring up Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath in this game, and bands that talk about Satan in general and talk about them as if satanism is the opposite of Christianity.

SATANISM IS PART OF CHRISTIANITY. It's just the other side of the coin, the yin to the yang. In order to believe in Satan, at least the "fallen angel that lives in hell" Satan, you have to believe in the Christian mythology of his fall from grace. This story is meaningless to a Buddhist, a Zoroastrian, and especially to an atheist. If you don't believe in God, you don't believe in Satan.

So in short, having both satanist rock and Christian rock is not balance. It's having two kinds of Christian rock. The true opposite of Christianity is liberal, free-thinking, rational atheism.

And before someone claims otherwise, there is no satanist rock in Rock Band.

[Lillith77]

It would be pretty cool if we got some Skillet, Pillar, and some more Flyleaf.

And to all of you flaming Christian rock, don't post in here. You don't have to be Christian to like Christian music(I am an athiest myself). You hate Christians for shoving their beliefs down your throat, but you shove your beliefs down their throats? That makes no sense to me.

[Hemlocke]

I am secure enough with myself and my points that i will agree with what you say above; the very fact it is "Christian" rock actually turns non-christians off. I don't like being preached to, and I don't like to be misinterpreted as lending credence to the religious message.

As to Coheed and Cambria, I do have to point out that they are a hugely successful band; that is a band that has appeared in Rolling Stone a lot in the last few years, and I'd venture to guess they have sold a lot more albums, especially when you adjust the stats for the Christian Rock marketing juggernaut effect. So apart from any religious issues, that's a major point of distinction as to their "Rock Band" worthiness.

But I'll also take issue with your suggestion that "Number of the Beast" is a religious song at all. There is a massive amount of irony to "devil rock"-- and irony is entirely missing from any and all Christian Rock that I've ever bothered to listen to (admittedly, hardly any at all). In fact, one of the things I object to Christian Rock the most is the saccharine quality of the lyrics.

But, in closing, I want to emphasize that my major objection to emphasizing Christian Rock for inclusion in this video game is simply that, with so much amazing and historically important rock music that has yet to be included in the content, Christian Rock is simply a marginal and relatively insignificant bywater that really doesn't deserve the attention.

I mean, sh!t, there are barely even any black artists in the current Rock Band content! And until Harmonix justifies that massive oversight (Prince?? George Clinton??? Michael Jackson and Lenny Kravitz even??) it would just plain be weird (and pandering) to focus any energy on Christian material, from a purely rational market-share and music-history perpective. The one song in the current content by Flygear (or whatever that band is called) is already a blantant "gimme" to the Christ-rock. Enough.

Please enlighten me...why must every one of your posts mentioning a so called "Christian Band" have their band name misspelled? Your doing it deliberately, there is no doubt about that and all that it does is make you come off as childish and immature when some of your arguements are actually sound.

You also need to understand that just because you have not heard of these so called "Christian Bands" does not make them any less famous. I know a plethora of non-christian people who have heard of or currently listen to, Flyleaf, Switchfoot, Skillet, Red etc. and while these bands may not be famous by your Rolling Stone magazine standards they have had their music played on secular radio stations and their music videos have appeared on MTV/VH1.

"Christian Rock", if you've ever listened to it, has quite a duality in the lyrics. They're not preachy(unless your looking for preachy in which case you'll find it. We're talking about their actual CD songs not Praise and Worship songs blatantly about God). They aren't trying to trick you, listening to them doesn't evoke the phrase "Ha ha you listen to Christian Rock therefore you must be a Christian." The lyrics in the songs can be taken on from many different perspectives no matter what the artist originally intended it to mean.(Kind've like "The Hand That Feeds" by NIN).

People get so hung up on the fact that the band members are Christians and the "Oh no their music could possibly be about God" that they don't actually listen to the music and interpert the lyrics for themselves.

[TeutonicKnight]

While most people here make some good points about where they're coming from I don't see why we as Christians should have to disguise the fact that we want to praise and worship God. Yes, I want music in this particular game that allows me to worship God. So what. Why do you non-Christians ridicule the music that we like just because you don't like it. Please try to understand the fact that just because you don't know why we like to worship God does not give you the right to discriminate us.

[SenRaq]

It's funny how people constantly bring up Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath in this game, and bands that talk about Satan in general and talk about them as if satanism is the opposite of Christianity.



So in short, having both satanist rock and Christian rock is not balance. It's having two kinds of Christian rock. The true opposite of Christianity is liberal, free-thinking, rational atheism.



Have you been tested for the sticky icky? Satan Rock/Christian Rock are two types of Christian rock? Wrong!! Complete opposite.

On another note...
All music in this game is trying to get across a message. Christian songs are not the only songs with a message, so they should not be singled out as a proclaiming message genre. Every music genre is proclaiming a message!!

Skillet, Disciple, Red, P.O.D., Flyleaf, Rock period, and I would pay moolah (cha-ching) to get some DLC for Rockband. If Harmonix chooses to ignore this genre with future DLC, they are doing Rock a disservice. But my friends at Harmonix know what they are doing, and I trust that they are putting forth their best effort to make the best ROCK GAME PERIOD!!;)

[mando86]

Have you been tested for the sticky icky? Satan Rock/Christian Rock are two types of Christian rock? Wrong!! Complete opposite.

All music in this game is trying to get across a message. Christian songs are not the only songs with a message, so they should not be singled out as a proclaiming message genre. Every music genre is proclaiming a message!!


Yes, I have been tested, and if I was tested today I probably wouldn't pass. So what. Looks like you skipped over the substance of my post. Let me put it this way. If some people wanted music that praised Zeus, and some wanted music that praised Hades, both groups would be talking about the same religion, even if they considered themselves opposites. Both believe in Greek mythology, the same way that both Christians and satanists believe in Christian mythology. One group worships the head and the other the tail of the same dog.

And yes, most all songs have a message, but it is only the religious that want music based specifically on message. If the bands you want are good enough, mention them by name, not by their ideology. I personally would not purchase any music with any religious agenda. Just my $0.02.

[TRCfactory]

Flyleaf is NOT Christian rock.

All five members of the band are of the Christian faith. This faith influences their music, but lead singer Lacey Mosley doesn't necessarily believe that makes Flyleaf a strictly Christian band. "We all share the same faith. And so when we deal with the whole 'Christian band thing,' we kind of think about something P.O.D. says, like, 'If you're a Christian, it affects everything in your life. So if you're a plumber, does that make you a Christian plumber?' " Mosley said. "I don't know the answer. We're a band, it's part of who we are, so it comes out in our music, and it's the fuel for what we do. And finding faith saved my life. So I'm not ashamed of it at all. And most of our album reflects that."

They are a rock band, officially classified as alternative. They obviously have Christian backgrounds, but are equally obviously not comfortable with the title of Christian Rock Band.

But they are awesome, and I would like to see more of their music in this game.

[staticsmoke]

they shouldnt put any bands in this game based on religion. they should put in bands that make good music. i personally am very anti-religion but i still love august burns red and as i lay dying (christian metal bands). religion shouldnt matter when it comes to music (then again it shouldnt play a factor in a lot of things but now im just giving my opinion and i know im not gonna convert anyone through the rockband forums haha)

/ i agree with mando, well put

[Neo_337]

they should put bands that play good ROCK music, and if they are starting these new packs of "sub" genres (like the rumored thrasher pack) then there wouldnt be anything wrong with a Christian rock pack

Flyleaf
Switchfoot
Relient K
P.O.D.

they all have songs they are not blantantly evangeical, and all are really awesome.

[Trootling]

While most people here make some good points about where they're coming from I don't see why we as Christians should have to disguise the fact that we want to praise and worship God. Yes, I want music in this particular game that allows me to worship God. So what. Why do you non-Christians ridicule the music that we like just because you don't like it. Please try to understand the fact that just because you don't know why we like to worship God does not give you the right to discriminate us.

It's not about "discrimination" or whatnot... Thing is, they are only going to put out a certain limited amount of DLC for this game; therefore we essentially have a resource allocation issue, or "turf war" going on. Any programming effort, marketing money, and bandwidth spent on Skiller and Frypaper or whatever other Christian bands is energy and effort diverted away from putting out DLC with more appeal for the vast majority of us that don't care about the Christ stuff... that's the problem. It's not that I and those who agree with me want to somehow put the Christians down, it's just that we are (admittedly greedily, perhaps) hoping that Harmonix puts its effort into stuff that we actually care about... maybe some other production company could license the engine and gameplay devices and could put together a whole new game, "Christian Rock Band," as a parallel project, so that the regular "Rock Band" folks could focus on fleshing out the library with more significant music... As I see it, every Skiller song they do is a Prince song I have been deprived of.

[PitaBread]

Ok so Im tired of reading people arguing about christian rock. My thought is "Who Cares" just let us who are christian hope for some christain rock in RB. We dont post negative about your secular (At least I wont) music so just let us talk about something we can hope for. Besides after reading several pages of peoples lists and then getting tired of reading I have skipped to the last page to post that nobody has said anything about Chevelle. How many of you that dont listen to christian rock knew that they were a christian band? And they have some sick songs. Maybe not like Metallica or Coheed and Cambria or etc...but whatever. They are a band that I would love to see and they arent as easy as some of the other christian bands listed at least not on the drums. K my 2 cents are in. Who cares right?

[mkkiller]

As I Lay Dying Ftwwwwwwww

[OakTea]

"How many of you that dont listen to christian rock knew that they were a christian band?"

Yeah, this is what my point will be. It doesn't matter what religion the band is. It matters how it sounds. When giving something a genre, you don't label it based on an atribute of the artists. You label it based on how it sounds. No one listens to a Christian Rock band and says "Wow, these guys are so Christian." unless the lyrics are explicitly Christian. Then it's okay to call it Christian Rock. Personally, I had no idea Flyleaf was Christian Rock. I'm an atheist, and I enjoy listening to I'm So Sick. I think it's an awesome song. And no, I'm not going to convert because of it. It doesn't "allow me to worship God" like one person mentioned. It's a god damn song, not a bible excerpt. It is not a Christian Rock song.

Christian Rock should be classified when someone can actually tell it's Christian Rock. I bet none of you people listening to Christian Rock would know it was Christian if you only listened to the music. I believe it's just a term to allow all the Christian-obsessed people to buy the music thinking they're doing something "Good". I mean, if they're buying good music, fine. But buy it because it's GOOD, not because it's Christian. You're not supporting God by FC'ing I'm So Sick on Expert, just as you're not sinning by playing Hand That Feeds on drums. (No, there aren't such things as satanic beats.)

Unless the lyrics are specifically about religion x, it is not religious music. Christian Rock should only be called that if it is religious.
(So Say it Ain't So isn't religious because it says 'Jesus'. And I'm So Sick definitely is not religious or Christian Rock, because it has nothing to do with religion. Unless, you know, Christianity promotes sinking into a woman's clothes selfishly.)

Music is not about what religion you are, what colour your skin is, where you're from. If it influences your music, that's fine. If your music sounds Swedish, but you're Japanese, you're not making Japanese music. Unless it's in the Japanese language, because then it'd make sense.

If you can honestly listen to a Christian Rock band and think "Wow, they're so Christian" solely from the music, then fine, they're Christian Rock. Or you're insane. Otherwise, it's something else.

There's something that relates all metal in the way it sounds, and there's something that relates all Country in the way it sounds... But nothing, musically, sounds "Christian"...

Just my opinions. Have fun with them.

[devourment77]

As I Lay Dying Ftwwwwwwww

Am I the only other want that thinks As I Lay Dying is awesome? How can there be a thread about Christian bands without a mention of Living Sacrifice. They are up there with As I Lay Dying.

[Pastimegamer]

Well I've read most of this thread and all I'm going to say is I'd love to get some songs by any of these bands... P.O.D., Kutless, Red, Switchfoot, Linkin Park, Cold, Skillet, Submersed, Trapt, and many others on here.

I'm a christian but love all types of music "christian" or not.

[magnus7661]

i almost stopped reading all the arguing a few pages ago, anyways, im not really a christian so much anymore..but thats a whole nother story, you say you want christian music in the game, but no one named Third Day? or Casting Crowns? wow, im ashamed of you christians =P

[iamtheddrman]

i almost stopped reading all the arguing a few pages ago, anyways, im not really a christian so much anymore..but thats a whole nother story, you say you want christian music in the game, but no one named Third Day? or Casting Crowns? wow, im ashamed of you christians =P
Third Day and Casting Crowns wouldn't really fit into the game. I personally love both of those bands, but for HMX, it's a matter of getting bands in the game that are fun and enjoyable for everybody.

I second Chevelle, Red, and Disciple though. Good bands :)

[lestweforgetmm22]

First of all cross burners ARE CHRISTIANS so next time get your facts straight before commenting idiot and it seems like you just want christian bands in there because they're christian or else you'd name specific bands that you'd want in the game as DLC. Another thing relgion is a delicate subject these days not everyones a christian the majority of americans are roman catholic and I doubt Harmonix is going to go out and specificly look for christian bands it's just not going to happen.

[thebluelizard]

becoming the archetype is the only christian band worth mentioning sooo... well, i'd support them getting in...

it's just too bad all the rest of it sucks.

[Rokkstar]

I would hate Christian music infecting our game. I'd rather listen to Soulja Boy than Christian music. And I hate Soulja Boy. Why do you guys try to poison a good game with your music? We need more good music than that crap.

Well your signature poisons these forums, and I pretty much know why Michael Jackson's in your signature.

Anyway at least some Skillet would be nice SenRaq :)

[An Actual Rock Band]

I think Jesus Freak by DC Talk is pretty decent, I keep it in my playlist with the rest of my rock songs, is still good to me

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and dont forget some songs from the dedicated album of DC talk (go to itunes for more)

[An Actual Rock Band]

: Originally Posted by Rev0lver- goddamn why wont these people go away.

U RACIST?!?!?! COME ON!! If you can beat me in a guitar battle, i will leave this forum for good. Come on. name the song. Oh yea, no Green Grass and High Tides or any song from GH3- this is rock band.

[QUOTE=dfjdejulio;207193]I know! Tried feeding them to the lions, but it didn't quite work out the way I planned.

You TRIED to feed Daniel to the lions by throwing him in a pit of em. However, God came in and shut the lions mouths because he loved daniel and still needed him.

- YOU JUST GOT OWNED BY A JUNIOR MEMBER!!

and that was from the bible ^^

[OSUjen]

What I don't understand is why can't these people make their request without mentioning a band's faith. Why not just start a thread for Relient K or whatever other band you want and suggest songs and why they would be good.
Absolutely. It's not like someone said "I want some Jewish music, like The Knack," and POOF, here's My Sharona.

[Burn1nMyLight]

Hooray for "We want Christian Music!!!" thread #7156253. Have fun till it gets locked.

I want Muslim rock, personally. I don't care who, since musical quality doesn't matter. All I care about is that it has a good Muslim message. Praise Allah. And if you don't like it, you don't have to download it.

Quit comparing Flyleaf to Christian Rock. They are NOT Christian Rock. They are a great rock band that happens to have Christian members. HUGE difference.

[The Paul]

Their are many christian bands that dont exclusively do songs about God. For instance bands such as Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, The Fray(which i dont believe would have any good songs for this game), Flyleaf, Emery etc.

[Insane3]

[Quote]: Originally Posted by Rev0lver- goddamn why wont these people go away.

U RACIST?!?!?! COME ON!! If you can beat me in a guitar battle, i will leave this forum for good. Come on. name the song. Oh yea, no Green Grass and High Tides or any song from GH3- this is rock band.



You TRIED to feed Daniel to the lions by throwing him in a pit of em. However, God came in and shut the lions mouths because he loved daniel and still needed him.

- YOU JUST GOT OWNED BY A JUNIOR MEMBER!!

and that was from the bible ^^

Haha! Your intervention is so funny.

[BhindBluEyes430]

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gotta love south park

in short NO

[mando86]

gotta love south park


You know they're actually making fun of atheists right?

[Burn1nMyLight]

You know they're actually making fun of atheists right?

Ummm, they're making fun of everyone, as they always do.

[BhindBluEyes430]

Ummm, they're making fun of everyone, as they always do.

yea they make fun of everyone i mean Jews blacks Christians athiests theyre all the same to Mat and trey. Did you see the one where Jesus craps on the american flag

[Burn1nMyLight]

yea they make fun of everyone i mean Jews blacks Christians athiests theyre all the same to Mat and trey. Did you see the one where Jesus craps on the american flag

Yeah, the cartoon wars one where the "Middle Easterners" have bush and jesus crapping on each other and the Constitution...classic.

Anyway, Christian Bands suck. Nobody ever argues the merits of the bands, just that they're "Christian", and that's why they should be in the game.

[zombolocaust]

People thought rock would die out



name these "people".

[Just1_Joe]

gotta love south park


I think you meant to use this one

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[Apples]

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[Insane3]

name these "people".

I don't know what im approving but anyway. Many people thought that rock would die in the late 60s and soon 70s, i recall having read about that, but only one I remember is Jim Morrison. In fact he claimed that rock was already dead.

[Ultimatum]

I've never ever heard a decent Christian band. Ever.

If you guys really want Christian music you might want to get your apreggios down because that's all they play.

[bobsagetjr]

id want to play
as i lay dying
august burns red
underoath
still remains
blessthefall
blindside
emery
showbread
RED
haste the day
chasing victory

all christian bands that i really like and think would be fun to play in rockband

[Ultimatum]

Why do atheist do the very thing they accuse Christians of doing? Preaching? I have yet to see a post where the Christian is saying that people need Jesus and all of that but I constantly read the attacks and the preaching against Christians. I think atheist are doing what psychologist call projecting. What they themselves are guilty of they accuse others of it instead. :cool:

I've had numerous books thrown at me, numerous church volunteers follow me to know end and sit outside of my house, I've even ahd my teachers tell me I need Jesus in life, jsut because I'm Atheist.

Not to mention persecutions, holy wars, etc.

[Hawk71]

Some Christian bands that I heard for the first time didn't sound Christian at all...
Becoming the Archetype
Haste the Day
As I lay Dying
Demon Hunter
War of Ages
Living Sacrifice
August Burns Red
Inhale Exhale
(old)Underoath
Misery Signals
The Chariot
Norma Jean
Zao

Any one of these bands could find a great spot in Rock Band.

[drizzt9922]

Chevelle are NOT christian rock. I don't know if anyone said that yet, but they will, I want to head them off.

And **** no christian rock.

[Quinarvy]

[Quote]: Originally Posted by Rev0lver- goddamn why wont these people go away.

U RACIST?!?!?! COME ON!! If you can beat me in a guitar battle, i will leave this forum for good. Come on. name the song. Oh yea, no Green Grass and High Tides or any song from GH3- this is rock band.



You TRIED to feed Daniel to the lions by throwing him in a pit of em. However, God came in and shut the lions mouths because he loved daniel and still needed him.

- YOU JUST GOT OWNED BY A JUNIOR MEMBER!!

and that was from the bible ^^

Green Grass and High Tides isn't in Rock Band, news to me.

And he was talking about how the Romans persecuted Christians by putting them in the Collesium with lions.

Your post=epic failure.

[Ultimatum]

I don't see any of that going on in these threads so please tone done the rhetoric. And once again, the only persecutions and jihads going on in these threads are those waged against Christians.

I was referring to the **** that's been thrown at people IRL.

Also, I was referring to historical events such as the Crusades and crucifictions.

[Ultimatum]

Well if this isn't real life, pinch me so I can wake up. Also, crucifictions and Crusades are ancient history buddy. I think Christians have gotten past that. Today on the other, people seem to be doing a lot of Christian bashing. I thought discrimination and personal insults were politically incorect?

Not when you've had the sort of experiences I and various of my friends have had.

[jbrocker56]

I so what skillet in this game more than any other band!

[Ultimatum]

Your experiences are completely unfortunate and I can only hope that they have not continued. However, directing the emotions from your personal experiences towards those who did not directly cause those emotions in the first place should be avoided. Some people would call you bitter and bitterness is not healthy. Also by allowing somebody to make you bitter means that you gave them all the power and also means they control you like a puppet master controls his puppets.

Your statement, about you and your various friends, that attempts to justify your feelings about Christianity, seems a lot like those who attempt to justify their other predjudices due to a few isolated incidences. Im talking about racism, sexism, age discrimination and now religious discrimination.

Meh, I'm too much of a cynic and I always have my own philosophical ways of explaining things.

[DMac4330]

I have posted a few threads myself and I have noticed a few christin bands that have been repeated. Although I prefer Jars of Clay, POD, and switchfoot, because they are I little bit more mainstream, but two that I have noticed that have been repeated have been Skillet and Relient K. Now I think I have found a legit thread to post three of your top pics, but I am not sure how legit it is. Here is the site.

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29280

In anycase, it would be a good idea to post skillet and/ relient k as artists to get lisenses for if you have not already posted on that thread. Explain whether you agree or not please. I actually picked POD, U2, and Piller. So if you want to pick those also be my guest. I would suggest to pick something that is already on the list so there is a better chance to getting it.

[Lt.Alex15]

who are going to flame the flame out of you...

"this little light of mine, i'm going to let it shine" AND YOU AIN'T GOING TO BLOW IT OUT!!!

[mando86]

My favorite Christian band is Electric Six. They're not too preachy and they believe in loving thy neighbor.

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[Jacobs_Ladder]

Booo Jesus Sucks! All Athiests Are Horrible People! I Am An Opinionated Douchebag!

Generic Arguments Yay

[Highlandlassie1]

I am not a christian, but Creed would be good, and a lesser known Metallica knock off that is a christian band, is Eternal Decision.
They flat out ROCK!

[OSUjen]

My favorite Christian band is Electric Six. They're not too preachy and they believe in loving thy neighbor.

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Best video ever, I was dying. :p And yes, they do believe in love.

[drizzt9922]

Booo Jesus Sucks! All Athiests Are Horrible People! I Am An Opinionated Douchebag!

Generic Arguments Yay

Hahaha. Win.

Anyways, religious rock sucks pretty much. Just because they don't really make good music. Can we agree on that?







Didn't hear a no. ok, good, topic settled.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u81/TheJesusExpress/FAIL2.png
Yes, I'm a Christian. Yes, I think these threads are stupid as ****. All these threads are are a battleground between Aetheists and Christians that can be summed up in the above picture. No one wins. Stop posting these stupid-ass threads because guess what? IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. Christians got Flyleaf in the game, just leave it at that. Get rid of the label and everything would be fine.

[screammachine]

religion and sex are power plays ,manipulate the people for the money they pay ,selling skin ,selling god ,the numbers look the same on there credit cards.

[Thesi]

religion and sex are power plays ,manipulate the people for the money they pay ,selling skin ,selling god ,the numbers look the same on there credit cards.
Go Queensryche! Love that album!

[screammachine]

Operation Mindcrime Is My Favorite Cd .

[Hartman]

Have you ever considered putting in more Christian bands? I was thrilled to see Flyleaf in there. They are so many Christian bands that could be put in that every one would like. Thousand Foot Krutch, Discple, Kutless, Skillet, The Wedding are just a few examples. And if you want more girls songs, Barlow Girl and some more Flyleaf could be added. Rockband could attract a whole new crowd if more Christian bands were on it. Plus, I think they would be fun to play.


As I Lay Dying.

[Insane3]

Why do atheist do the very thing they accuse Christians of doing? Preaching? I have yet to see a post where the Christian is saying that people need Jesus and all of that but I constantly read the attacks and the preaching against Christians. I think atheist are doing what psychologist call projecting. What they themselves are guilty of they accuse others of it instead. :cool:

I think you are doing what everyone calls generalizing. Religions have something that science cannot give: answers to everything. Humans need answers. No matter if its true or not, it doesn't change a thing in the end as long as you believe it. Science doesn't solves that psychological problem. Science brings facts to a society that needs some in order to keep balanced ethics. For exemple: A lot of religions consider homosexuality as an evil tendency, but science proved that even though it is not really normal, it has no negative impact on society. Same thing for sex, skin color, etc. Religions and science should not be opposites, they should work together. Same thing for religions, hindus believe that all religion are the same, as long as you believe in a god (or many).
Anyway, this is not a battleground like someone said, it's a debate, and we need debates to find answers and to be able to live together. I don't like how eveybody compares everything to wars, fights, battles. This is nothing but a discussion.
Sry if i had some mistakes, i'm not english.

[Phategod1]

Any Band is welcome except for Hypocrite @$$ Brian "Head" Welch.

EDIT and dont go saying this thread is battleground between Christians and Atheist Because us Agnostics, Jews, Catholics and other could give a flying fig about your religion and its pretentious music. :)

[mr.flamethro]

For my softer rockers out there
1)Relient K
2)Switchfoot
3)David Crowder Band

Crowder would be twice as fun if they had keyboards or keytar in Rock Band.

[mr.flamethro]

Why do atheist do the very thing they accuse Christians of doing? Preaching? I have yet to see a post where the Christian is saying that people need Jesus and all of that but I constantly read the attacks and the preaching against Christians. I think atheist are doing what psychologist call projecting. What they themselves are guilty of they accuse others of it instead. :cool:

You are my new best friend on this thread.:p

[alicethesister]

I don't care if you have Christian songs in Rock Band. As long as it isn't those sappy "Oh Jesus this and that" every five seconds. We know you like Jesus, if we wanted to hear that we'd go to church not buy your album.

So yeah..I suppose stuff like Five Iron Frenzy or Relient K could be prudent for a Rock Band audience, I supppose.

[Joatmon]

IF you would actually watch any of these videos, the arguments would stop....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3tVuWrbhag

Thousand Foot Krutch - Rawkfist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF_YTSP6cvw

or Day of Fire - Cut & Move

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIBmLl9qHZk

Skillet - Whispers in the dark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgiJkrAL9K4

[Insane3]

I don't see how you concluded that I was making generalizations. I was commenting on what I have observed on all threads here on rockband.com that discuss Christianity. Observations are used all the time when scientists are trying to gather information. Should I just ignore all my observations and convince myself that i'm not really reading what i'm reading? :confused:

You wanna talk about science?
You don't have a list of your observations, you don't have sources or citations, you don't have any statistic info, your sample is way to small, and there are full of other mistakes in your "scientific" observation.
Even though you had a complete study on the whole atheist population, your observation wouldn't be absolute, there will always be a margin of error.
You are generalizing. I don't think christians must not believe and i'm atheist. Anyway, people who say stupities like: "Christian Bands suck" are people who feel that because they're on the net they can say whatever they want. I can't believe i'm getting angry. Sry, I'm rude.

[Dragonbean]

No one has mentioned Chevelle, they have tons of songs that would be great for rock band.

[Agent Graves]

IF you would actually watch any of these videos, the arguments would stop....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3tVuWrbhag

Thousand Foot Krutch - Rawkfist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF_YTSP6cvw

or Day of Fire - Cut & Move

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIBmLl9qHZk

Skillet - Whispers in the dark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgiJkrAL9K4

You are absolutely correct. After watching those four links, there can be no argument. There's all the proof you need that this is lousy music. Seriously, that Rawkfist nonsense is probably the worst song I've ever heard. I would have no problem with Christian rock as long as it was good and it wasn't used as some ham fisted recruiting tool. Unfortunately, those two things don't come together very often.

[superbleeder]

Rawkfist is an awesome song. Also Project 86 has some great songs.

[Insane3]

Dude, get ahold of yourself. You are letting your emotions cloud your judgement. I am not doing a scientific study, I merely made the comparison to show how I came to my conclusion. My sources were written in my initial post, they were from other threads as well as this one. For example this thread, it is asking for names of Christian bands and we have some atheist coming in preaching and belittleing people about their beliefs when the thread was just asking for names of Chritian Bands. The thread never said anything about "Jesus Saves" or "No Jesus, No Peace. Know Jesus, Know Peace". Nobody started by saying anything like that so why would you come in here anyways unless you just wanted to start flaming?

Hard to understand why some people get so bent out of shape or threatened when the hear the word Christian. Funny, but I don't feel threatened or offended when I hear the word atheist or devil.

I'm not flamed about christians, muslims, jews, etc. I'm angry at you, accusing the whole atheist population of being egocentric** preachers. That's why i say you're generalizing! I dont fu**ing care about anybody's religious belief or whatever!
Anyway, I'm not even atheist, i'm agnostic. That actually makes me the opposite of both atheist and believer.

**: I know, these aren't your words, but a preacher is generally egocentric because he doesn't wants to understand other people's point of view. See, I'm generalizing right now lol...

[pulseMOD]

like i always say, don't care if it's added as long as it's not labeled christian rock... there's some stuff i'd love to get but i'd rather not feel like i'm supporting a religious group in doing so :p

[MooseRocks]

why can't we have more people like you (pulseMOD). Who cares if something you don't like is added. you dont have to download it.

[afireinside0016]

if you want religion in video games, play the bible game. get the **** out of our rock band. religion = fail.

[MooseRocks]

Just dropping by to represent pan heads and Skillet. Also would love to play flyleaf - fully alive

[chicken_crew]

I Vote For Thousand Foot Krutch

[Insane3]

if you want religion in video games, play the bible game. get the **** out of our rock band. religion = fail.

Damn... shut up... What's the problem with all those fascist remarks?! Ppl are so stupid on the net. If you don't want any religions in Rock Band, articulate it correctly.

[Crooked Carrot]

I feel that a Christian Rock Pack would upset a lot of people. Bands shouldn't be included on Rock Band because they're Christian. They should be included because they are good. Having Christian bands isn't necessarily bad, but I definitely wouldn't buy a pack with songs all about how "God is great." Also, it's kind of unfair to have a pack for one religion and not for a different religion. It's excluding people, you know?

[thetruered13]

best christin band ever......Impending Doom look em up.

[thetruered13]

Impending Doom look em up...........

[TehLawGiver]

hold on a second..didn't i just see a thread the EXACT same thing? these always turn into hell, don't start a thread like this please, though i would like some christian rock but...it would cause to much controversy

[Jhustoe]

I know other people have said pretty much exactly the same thing, but...

As Long as it's good music I don't care what they put on Rock Band.

I'm no Christian, but I do loves me some Five Iron Frenzy and I think some of their songs would be a great addition to the library of Downloadable Content.

[RiseAgainst17]

Some Anberlin would be nice.

[ReignInBlood]

If they put Christian influenced music on rock band than they should also be able to put songs from slayer and others like kreator that aren't too fond of christianity. If you're going to support one extreme you might as well support the other

[metal_christian_butterfly]

Have you ever considered putting in more Christian bands? I was thrilled to see Flyleaf in there. They are so many Christian bands that could be put in that every one would like. Thousand Foot Krutch, Discple, Kutless, Skillet, The Wedding are just a few examples. And if you want more girls songs, Barlow Girl and some more Flyleaf could be added. Rockband could attract a whole new crowd if more Christian bands were on it. Plus, I think they would be fun to play.

This is exactly why I subscribed to the forums! I was desperately wanting to know where I could download these bands.....and you listed all my favorites plus a few more I'll have to check out.

Thank you for your original post! I must say that it is so true about this music; people constantly ask me what I'm listening to & are astounded that it's Christian. This music rocks & rocks hard! I dare anyone to listen!

[metal_christian_butterfly]

Have you ever considered putting in more Christian bands? I was thrilled to see Flyleaf in there. They are so many Christian bands that could be put in that every one would like. Thousand Foot Krutch, Discple, Kutless, Skillet, The Wedding are just a few examples. And if you want more girls songs, Barlow Girl and some more Flyleaf could be added. Rockband could attract a whole new crowd if more Christian bands were on it. Plus, I think they would be fun to play.

This is exactly why I subscribed to the forums! I was desperately wanting to know where I could download these bands.....and you listed all my favorites plus a few more I'll have to check out. I found this thread in seconds......and have observed that many want this music also.

Thank you for your original post! I must say that it is so true about this music. People constantly ask me what I'm listening to & are astounded that it's Christian. As a matter of fact, some of my unsaved friends listen to these bands just because they're so good. So, to all of you skeptics out there....I dare you to give it a chance & listen! It's funny because even my children's friends think I'm such a cool mom because of the music I listen to & don't even realize it's Christian unless I tell them or after they've heard a few songs.

I've been reading other posts & it's true to a point that labeling music can cause people to not even give it a second look. However, this music rocks & ROCKS HARD! Not only that, it's very technical & would be challenging to play.

And.....as for those who wish to obstain from a Christian Package; no one's forcing you to buy it! I frantically hope that the Rockband creators take notice that there is a HUGE market to be tapped into just by observing these treads. After all, feedback is the reason they were created. So, in conclusion, I thank you Rockband, for the opportunity to express our desires.

[ankh]

The only Christian band you can hope to make it on here is P.O.D.
But face it no one wants to sing about god when playing RB.

Nothing like smashing some ones face in in the pits at a christian concert...or do you just stand in a circle and give hugs and say "God be with you"?

[bvincent]

Releint k anyone , they have at least a good 10 songs that are rock band material

in fact howz about a relient k track pack lol

1. Sadie Hawkins Dance

2. Come Right Out and Say It

3. The Best Thing

[slickpitt]

I'd love to see some Christian Rock in RB!

[DeathShrike]

As a matter of fact, some of my unsaved friends listen to these bands just because they're so good. ... It's funny because even my children's friends think I'm such a cool mom because of the music I listen to & don't even realize it's Christian unless I tell them or after they've heard a few songs.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe any of this. Also, do your friends know you refer to them as your "unsaved friends"?

[jbrocker56]

The only Christian band you can hope to make it on here is P.O.D.
But face it no one wants to sing about god when playing RB.

Nothing like smashing some ones face in in the pits at a christian concert...or do you just stand in a circle and give hugs and say "God be with you"?

nope mosh pits are just like at a secular concert only difference would be if you get hurt people will help you up and the their is no fighting that I have see of yet

[zDisturbedOnez]

Because a majority of Americans believe in God. I am sorry you don't but your comments are't welcome in this thread, why did you waste your time coming here? Why ya gotta be a hater? Why stir up stuff in a thread where you don't feel comfortable? Nothing better to do than to cause contention? Shouldn't you be burning a cross somewhere or complaining to your friends that good people are trying to have a discussion about things you don't care about?

Don't go away mad, just go away (From a Motley Crue song)

See, I was keeping an open mind while reading this thread until this post right here. If this is how "Christians" act towards people with differing views then please keep it out of the game. What happen to love thy fellow man? This is why any thread pertaining to religion is a dangerous subject. "Because a majority of Americans believe in God" while this statement is probably true not all of them are Christians. "Shouldn't you be burning a cross somewhere or complaining to your friends that good people are trying to have a discussion about things you don't care about?" - so just because someone has a view different than yours then that makes them less spirtual than you. If this is the way a Christian has to be than this makes me proud that I am not one.




People constantly ask me what I'm listening to & are astounded that it's Christian. As a matter of fact, some of my unsaved friends listen to these bands just because they're so good. So, to all of you skeptics out there....I dare you to give it a chance & listen! It's funny because even my children's friends think I'm such a cool mom because of the music I listen to & don't even realize it's Christian unless I tell them or after they've heard a few songs.


Wow people are unsaved unless your Christian. Since adding this music will recruit more people to the Christian faith we better also add some Neo-Nazi hate metal because hell its their first amendment right. These types of debates and comments are highly dangerous and while everyone is entitled to their views and opinions it doesnt neccessarily appeal to everyone. That is why my stance is simple, lets keep adding unbiased music in this game so we dont alienate anyone elses views.

[DeathShrike]

If this is the way a Christian has to be than this makes me proud that I am not one.

This is the way a Christian-who-posts-on-forums-about-how-he's-Christian has to be.

[running_t4rg3t]

Only one mention of Demon Hunter? I don't care what their belief system, those guys make outstanding metal.

[meck77]

No mention of Decyfer Down. Fight like this. song kicks ass. just out of curiosity Why do any of you care what the label is? If it rocks lets play it! Also that fact that I believe in Christ- does it make me Christian or catholic or Jehovah's witness or seventh day adventist or does it just make me an individual who happens to believe in Christ? Why must I be labeled? Really it just comes down to there are those that believe and those that dont. Everyone has there own opinion and thats o.K. It surely does not mean that I cant request the music that I like which includes slayer, pantera, kizz and reliant k and thousand foot krutch. Or am I not allowed to like the music of all these bands because there views on the bible differ from each others?

[Joatmon]

I feel that a Christian Rock Pack would upset a lot of people. Bands shouldn't be included on Rock Band because they're Christian. They should be included because they are good. Having Christian bands isn't necessarily bad, but I definitely wouldn't buy a pack with songs all about how "God is great."

You people just really don't get it do you???

IF you would actually watch any of these videos, the arguments would stop....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3tVuWrbhag

Thousand Foot Krutch - Rawkfist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF_YTSP6cvw

or Day of Fire - Cut & Move

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIBmLl9qHZk

Skillet - Whispers in the dark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgiJkrAL9K4

[Kermit4Prez]

Isn't Tourniquet a Christian metal band? They're good. And do... religious stuff. I think. Would be pretty hard on Rock Band and have some good voice work, guitars and AWESOME drums. Would love that in Rock Band. :D HEAD AND THE HEART OF A MAN TORN IN TWO! ONE OF THE TWELVE THAT IS DESTINED TO DO!

[Joatmon]

See, I was keeping an open mind while reading this thread until this post right here. If this is how "Christians" act towards people with differing views then please keep it out of the game. What happen to love thy fellow man? This is why any thread pertaining to religion is a dangerous subject. "Because a majority of Americans believe in God" while this statement is probably true not all of them are Christians. "Shouldn't you be burning a cross somewhere or complaining to your friends that good people are trying to have a discussion about things you don't care about?" - so just because someone has a view different than yours then that makes them less spirtual than you. If this is the way a Christian has to be than this makes me proud that I am not one.


Since adding this music will recruit more people to the Christian faith we better also add some Neo-Nazi hate metal because hell its their first amendment right. ... That is why my stance is simple, lets keep adding unbiased music in this game so we dont alienate anyone elses views.

Sadly this response is typical of the people that "don't have eyes to see". Let me explain my comments further...

MY point is simply this - If you don't agree with the threads content or don't like the discussion, WHY come here and spread your "hate", simple really.

And yes I probably went overboard with my comments, forgive me, I AM human & the ridiculous comments by people here do tend to frustrate me, especially when it is OBVIOUS by those comments that you have never even listened to the music you are so wholeheartedly bashing.

I never said anything about anyone being less spiritual than I am, no clue where that came from??

As for the quote from the message that wasn't mine - no one as far as I am concerned is here "recruiting", we are simply asking for our favorite music, the same as everyone else. As for your Neo Nazi music comments, c'mon man, grow up. As for your "unbiased" music comment.... hahaha! that IS funny, so we are going to remove ALL music from Rock Band? There is NO music that is completely unbiased about anything, except maybe instrumentals... Maybe.

[DeathShrike]

IF you would actually watch any of these videos, the arguments would stop....

No, YOU don't get it. I have heard these bands before. I even watched these videos. I am sure many people here HAVE. These bands are TERRIBLE. Rawkfist in particular is one of the most dunderheaded, terrible, sub-Limp Bizkit songs I've heard this century, complete with some of the most cringe-inducing lyrics of all time. In fact, the problem with all three of the bands you mention, and what keeps them from actually being popular outside of Christian rock circles, is that they sound 7-10 years out of date. It just sounds like uninspired Nu Metal cash-in garbage. You want these bands? Fine. But don't tell me I don't want them just because I'm not giving them a chance. I've given them MORE than a chance. There are bands out there that are christian and are good (Sevendust springs to mind). But they are not called "Christian Rock" for a reason. "Christian Rock" is a term invented by labels eager to exploit your beliefs for monetary gain, pumping out music by no-talent hacks that otherwise couldn't hack it in the rest of the music world.

[hokeyboy]

As a matter of fact, some of my unsaved friends listen to these bands just because they're so good.
And people wonder why many so-called "Christians" get pinned with the INTOLERANT, JUDGMENTAL *****S label...

I have absolutely no doubt that there are many great bands putting out incredible music under the "Christian Rock" label. I'm sure many of them would also be incredibly fun to play on Rock Band. But smug, obnoxious attitudes like that demonstrated above will always ensure that it will (and SHOULD) be kept far, far away from the general masses.

That having been said, I'd kill or die for a King's X pack. Gimme "Black Flag", "Over My Head", "Summerland", "We are Finding Who We Are", "In The Garden at St. Anne's", "It's Love", "Moanjam", etc.

[Joatmon]

No, YOU don't get it. I have heard these bands before. I even watched these videos. I am sure many people here HAVE. These bands are TERRIBLE. Rawkfist in particular is one of the most dunderheaded, terrible, sub-Limp Bizkit songs I've heard this century, complete with some of the most cringe-inducing lyrics of all time. In fact, the problem with all three of the bands you mention, and what keeps them from actually being popular outside of Christian rock circles, is that they sound 7-10 years out of date. It just sounds like uninspired Nu Metal cash-in garbage. You want these bands? Fine. But don't tell me I don't want them just because I'm not giving them a chance. I've given them MORE than a chance. There are bands out there that are christian and are good (Sevendust springs to mind). But they are not called "Christian Rock" for a reason. "Christian Rock" is a term invented by labels eager to exploit your beliefs for monetary gain, pumping out music by no-talent hacks that otherwise couldn't hack it in the rest of the music world.

Wow, so much rage inside huh, sorry you are having a bad day dude. I stand corrected, you have seen the videos & don't approve.

Ya know, being from LA you would think that you would realize that NOTHING is new, it all goes in cycles and everything comes around again. Ever heard of Black Tide? (not a Christian conversation for the time being) Their sound is "old" as you might describe it, but (weird) everyone LOVES their song, hmmm, they have been described as being "80's metal", so they are 20 years out of date by your thinking, BUT, popular... Sooo that would make my suggestions of bands that are 7-10 years out of date (in your mind) almost cutting edge! Cool!

FYI - not everyone likes the current metal trend of "vomiting" into the microphone & calling it "singing", much the same as you don't appreciate "out of date" bands. The difference here is (as I have wondered "why you guys do this"? before) I don't go into threads labled "I want vomit music" and complain, and name call, & hate, & demand that YOUR music NOT be included because I don't like it. I do what this country was designed around, I use the capitalism system & I buy what I like, & don't buy what I don't like.

Oh, by the way, I don't believe "Christian Rock" was invented to "exploit", a more likely scenario woudl be - a way of knowing what music wasn't overtly vile, questionable, sexual, drug related, etc.

[Jeremypl]

I disagree. There needs to be more evil on Rock Band. At the Gates and the Haunted were a good start, so let's move on from there. How about "Jesus Saves" by Slayer? How about some Atheist? Venom? BEHEMOTH! Keep Jesus out of rock, and I'll stay out of your church :mad:

[Chief Stubbs]

If they put Christian influenced music on rock band than they should also be able to put songs from slayer and others like kreator that aren't too fond of christianity. If you're going to support one extreme you might as well support the other
Check your sources. Slayer takes a neutral standpoint in religious things as far songs go. Tom Araya is also a Christian.

[Jeremypl]

Totally neutral:

You go to the church, you kiss the cross
You will be saved at any cost
You have your own reality
Christianity
You spend your life just kissing ass
A trait thats grown as time has passed
You think the world will end today
You praise the lord, its all you say

Jesus saves, listen to you pray
You think youll see the pearly gates
When death takes you away

For all respect you cannot lust
In an invisible man you place your trust
Indirect dependency
Eternal attempt at amnesty
He will decide who lives and dies
Depopulate satanas rise
You will be an accessory
Irreverence and blasphemy

Jesus saves, no need to pray
The gates of pearl have turned to gold
It seems youve lost your way

Jesus saves, no words of praise
No promised land to take you to
There is no other way

[hokeyboy]

XTC's Dear God should be part of the next DLC batch... if not sooner.

[Joatmon]

Quote:
Originally Posted by metal_christian_butterfly
As a matter of fact, some of my unsaved friends listen to these bands just because they're so good.


And people wonder why many so-called "Christians" get pinned with the INTOLERANT, JUDGMENTAL *****S label...

I have absolutely no doubt that there are many great bands putting out incredible music under the "Christian Rock" label. I'm sure many of them would also be incredibly fun to play on Rock Band. But smug, obnoxious attitudes like that demonstrated above will always ensure that it will (and SHOULD) be kept far, far away from the general masses.

I am afraid that you misunderstand her statement, there is no "judgement" impled here, she is simply stating a fact, seriously, if she was truly an "intolerant judgemental *****" she wouldn't HAVE friends that were "unsaved".

The fact is exactly the opposite, she is NOT judgemental because she DOES have friends who are "unsaved", that my friend would be called "tolerance". If ya wanna get technical, Jesus ate with prostitutes & tax collectors...

[Joatmon]

I disagree. There needs to be more evil on Rock Band. At the Gates and the Haunted were a good start, so let's move on from there. How about "Jesus Saves" by Slayer? How about some Atheist? Venom? BEHEMOTH! Keep Jesus out of rock, and I'll stay out of your church :mad:

Why do you even come into this thread?

[DeathShrike]

Wow, so much rage inside huh, sorry you are having a bad day dude. I stand corrected, you have seen the videos & don't approve.

Ya know, being from LA you would think that you would realize that NOTHING is new, it all goes in cycles and everything comes around again. Ever heard of Black Tide? (not a Christian conversation for the time being) Their sound is "old" as you might describe it, but (weird) everyone LOVES their song, hmmm, they have been described as being "80's metal", so they are 20 years out of date by your thinking, BUT, popular... Sooo that would make my suggestions of bands that are 7-10 years out of date (in your mind) almost cutting edge! Cool!.

Your bands are BEHIND THE TIMES. Not RETRO. Black Tide is paying respect to a style of music they grew up on. TFK are attempting, far too late, to co-opt a musical style that is now totally out of fashion. If "Rawkfist" was released back when "Nookie" was a single, it might have even been played on mainstream rock radio stations. As it happens, they released it in 2003. Art is timeless. "Rawkfist", like "Nookie", is commerce.


FYI - not everyone likes the current metal trend of "vomiting" into the microphone & calling it "singing", much the same as you don't appreciate "out of date" bands. The difference here is (as I have wondered "why you guys do this"? before) I don't go into threads labled "I want vomit music" and complain, and name call, & hate, & demand that YOUR music NOT be included because I don't like it. I do what this country was designed around, I use the capitalism system & I buy what I like, & don't buy what I don't like.

Answer this question honestly: If they made "Tormentor of Christian Souls" by Dimmu Borgir (a "Vomit Music" song about doing horrible things to christians) available for DLC, would you complain?


Oh, by the way, I don't believe "Christian Rock" was invented to "exploit", a more likely scenario woudl be - a way of knowing what music wasn't overtly vile, questionable, sexual, drug related, etc.

LOL.

[DeathShrike]

If ya wanna get technical, Jesus ate with prostitutes & tax collectors...

...and probably would have listened to "Vomit Music".

[hokeyboy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by metal_christian_butterfly
As a matter of fact, some of my unsaved friends listen to these bands just because they're so good.



I am afraid that you misunderstand her statement, there is no "judgement" impled here, she is simply stating a fact, seriously, if she was truly an "intolerant judgemental *****" she wouldn't HAVE friends that were "unsaved".

The fact is exactly the opposite, she is NOT judgemental because she DOES have friends who are "unsaved", that my friend would be called "tolerance". If ya wanna get technical, Jesus ate with prostitutes & tax collectors...
I don't buy that for a *second*.

Being "unsaved" is not a "FACT", it's smug, arrogant egocentricism on the part of the proclaimer, e.g. "if you don't buy into the same fairy-tales that I believe, you're subject for eternal damnation."

There is absolutely *nothing* "factual" about that; it's delusional, at best. Mental illness, at worst. And that doesn't just go for Christians, that's for any Religion whose adherents follow similar dogma. Fie on them. Fie on them all.

[Joatmon]

Answer this question honestly: If they made "Tormentor of Christian Souls" by Dimmu Borgir (a "Vomit Music" song about doing horrible things to christians) available for DLC, would you complain?

For several reasons, no. I could not complain -

1. I would listen to the preview, hear the "Vomiting", be immidiately turned off and not BUY the song (invoking capitalism)
2. After #1 I would have no need to ever pay attention to the band again because I know how they "Sing" and it isn't my "thing"
3. After #1 & #2 I would never know WHAT they said so I would have nothing to complain about.
4. To complain about YOUR music would be hypocritical, that is something I am not, you have the right to that "music" if that is what you choose to buy. Is it the best thing for you? No, is it good for you? No, Ice cream isn't good for me but I still eat it... Who am I to DEMAND that you don't listen to it? If you were my close friend I would try to guide you towards something that is better for you, that is what friends do.
5. Freedom of speech

that should do for now...

[DeathShrike]

To complain about YOUR music would be hypocritical, that is something I am not, you have the right to that "music" if that is what you choose to buy. Is it the best thing for you? No, is it good for you? No, Ice cream isn't good for me but I still eat it... Who am I to DEMAND that you don't listen to it? If you were my close friend I would try to guide you towards something that is better for you, that is what friends do.
5. Freedom of speech

that should do for now...

Fair enough. But is it "good for me, no"? What does that mean? Also, I would not complain if they put Christian Music up either. What I am complaining about is your attitude that we are all simply ignorant of this music and that is why we are not demanding it as well.

[Joatmon]

Fair enough. But is it "good for me, no"? What does that mean? Also, I would not complain if they put Christian Music up either. What I am complaining about is your attitude that we are all simply ignorant of this music and that is why we are not demanding it as well.

You seem to be reasonable. (Love your other thread by the way, I just posted there :D)

YOU are probably not typical, I can tell by the comments of most posters that they don't have a clue what they are complaining about, a vast majority of the Christian alternative or metal, has nothing to do with standing around hugging, saying Jesus 100 times, or chanting "God is good" THAT is my point, the MUSIC is viable, relevant and really on par with anything else out there, yes, even the "vomit music", we have that too... Demon Hunter... & others.

[DeathShrike]

You seem to be reasonable. (Love your other thread by the way, I just posted there :D)

YOU are probably not typical, I can tell by the comments of most posters that they don't have a clue what they are complaining about, a vast majority of the Christian alternative or metal, has nothing to do with standing around hugging, saying Jesus 100 times, or chanting "God is good" THAT is my point, the MUSIC is viable, relevant and really on par with anything else out there, yes, even the "vomit music", we have that too... Demon Hunter... & others.

Understood.

[SmokaCola]

I don't do the whole religious thing, I've found it divides people. Also I hate the little punks that go "omg the devil is so wickedly awesome cool". No, you're so "wickedly awesome" ******ed. Anyways as far as the music goes, I'd love to have some more bands in the game. Simply because my family believe in god, so therefore they'd play RB with me more :P

[zDisturbedOnez]

My original post is here:

Originally Posted by zDisturbedOnez
See, I was keeping an open mind while reading this thread until this post right here. If this is how "Christians" act towards people with differing views then please keep it out of the game. What happen to love thy fellow man? This is why any thread pertaining to religion is a dangerous subject. "Because a majority of Americans believe in God" while this statement is probably true not all of them are Christians. "Shouldn't you be burning a cross somewhere or complaining to your friends that good people are trying to have a discussion about things you don't care about?" - so just because someone has a view different than yours then that makes them less spirtual than you. If this is the way a Christian has to be than this makes me proud that I am not one.


Since adding this music will recruit more people to the Christian faith we better also add some Neo-Nazi hate metal because hell its their first amendment right. ... That is why my stance is simple, lets keep adding unbiased music in this game so we dont alienate anyone elses views.


Sadly this response is typical of the people that "don't have eyes to see". Let me explain my comments further...

MY point is simply this - If you don't agree with the threads content or don't like the discussion, WHY come here and spread your "hate", simple really.

My response to you on this is the following: Hate?????? How are my comments hateful???? They are in disagreement with a previous poster but by no means spread hate. Want to see a hateful comment???? Here is one from a fellow Christian - "Shouldn't you be burning a cross somewhere or complaining to your friends that good people are trying to have a discussion about things you don't care about?" That would be like me saying shouldnt you Christians be bombing abortion clinics because thats what any good anti-abortion Christian would do. No where in my post is there a deep underlying meaning of hate. Get your facts straight.

And yes I probably went overboard with my comments, forgive me, I AM human & the ridiculous comments by people here do tend to frustrate me, especially when it is OBVIOUS by those comments that you have never even listened to the music you are so wholeheartedly bashing.

I never said anything about anyone being less spiritual than I am, no clue where that came from?? You most certainly did, anyone that does not share a fellow Christian point of view as yourself is not worthy of your time and you repeatedly on this thread let the whole world know your feelings. In your heart of hearts you think that anyone that is not a Christian they are classified as "unsaved" (as another poster put it not yourself).

As for the quote from the message that wasn't mine - no one as far as I am concerned is here "recruiting", we are simply asking for our favorite music, the same as everyone else. As for your Neo Nazi music comments, c'mon man, grow up. As for your "unbiased" music comment.... hahaha! that IS funny, so we are going to remove ALL music from Rock Band? There is NO music that is completely unbiased about anything, except maybe instrumentals... Maybe.

Where do you get this crap from really???? Remove all songs from the game are you serious??? It really is all or nothing with you people isnt it???? Yeah, currently we have a lot of really political and religious songs in the game right???? Dont you really understand to any muslim, buddist, hinduist or whatever their faith maybe that if you start adding your religous point of view down their throats there is blowback??? I hate to tell all of you Christians that if you look at all the various religions around the world you are not in the majority. This holier than thou attitude gets us nowhere instead we just keep fighting over the same thing. More wars have been fought in the name of god than any other reason known to man. Great message for people that believe in "Thou Shall not Kill".


Now as far as my Neo-Nazi comment. That hate group and this one sided view by Christians are both just as condemning to individuals that believe in neither side. I for one do not want to be a part of anything that is as one sided as either of these views. I have family members that go on missions to other countries to convert them to Christianty, and they are some of the most narrow minded people you will ever meet. As for myself I am a spiritual person and believe in God. But to think that this god will condemn any person that does not believe in Christianity is just insanity. If there is a God and he will persecute millions upon millions of individuals because they dont believe in Christianity than I dont need to be in his presence.

[Joatmon]

I don't do the whole religious thing, I've found it divides people. Also I hate the little punks that go "omg the devil is so wickedly awesome cool". No, you're so "wickedly awesome" ******ed. Anyways as far as the music goes, I'd love to have some more bands in the game. Simply because my family believe in god, so therefore they'd play RB with me more :P

I tend to agree and disagree with you ;) I don't "do the whole religious thing" either, neither did Jesus. I am a Christian, further discussion on that is out of the context of this thread, if you want further discussion on what that means a PM (are those available here?) would be ok.

As for dividing people, of course it does, so does music, so does choice of food you like, so do clothes styles and virtually everything on the planet. But what that really means is that it groups people of like interests into tight knit groups that can share common ideas, goals etc...

Again on the whole "God in music" thing, that is great that you think that your family would play with you, that is kinda (one of the) point(s) of this thread!

It isn't about "recruiting" or changing your views, it is about Getting some music in the game that EVERYONE can enjoy, (by that I mean no family cringing when lyrics are sung by your neighbors 8 year old daughter etc)

[Disa]

So long as the band's music is good enough for Rock Band, it shouldn't matter what background the band comes from. I haven't exactly heard a ton of great Christian Rock bands ever, but if there was one then it should at least get the same chance that the others got.

After all, F.O.B. somehow made the cut.

[Joatmon]

Originally Posted by zDisturbedOnez

we better also add some Neo-Nazi hate metal - THIS comment isn’t related to hate in any way is it?

Originally Posted by zDisturbedOnez
Want to see a hateful comment???? Here is one from a fellow Christian - "Shouldn't you be burning a cross somewhere or complaining to your friends that good people are trying to have a discussion about things you don't care about?" That would be like me saying shouldnt you Christians be bombing abortion clinics because thats what any good anti-abortion Christian would do.

I already apologized for my “over the top” comment that came out of total frustration, shouldn’t you forgive & move on? True “Christians” don’t bomb abortion clinics.

Originally Posted by zDisturbedOnez
I never said anything about anyone being less spiritual than I am, no clue where that came from?? You most certainly did, anyone that does not share a fellow Christian point of view as yourself is not worthy of your time and you repeatedly on this thread let the whole world know your feelings.
I never said what you are implying.

What I AM trying to say is very simply THIS – WHY do you come to THIS thread, where you have no interest in the content, the music or the people here, and waste YOUR time getting all worked up about something YOU think is negative? Go to a thread where you ARE interested in the people, the content & the music and make a POSITIVE contribution. Do this for YOURSELF, not for ME, it is like going to some where that you don’t work and complaining about the working conditions, does that make sense?

Originally Posted by zDisturbedOnez
In your heart of hearts you think that anyone that is not a Christian they are classified as "unsaved" (as another poster put it not yourself).

Not completely true. A “real Christian” IS saved (and proud of it), the only PERSON that knows is THAT person, no one else can decide. The only way you ARE saved is by asking for and allowing Jesus into your heart. It is totally personal, no church necessary, no application to fill out, no meetings to go to, no special music to listen to. People of any “proclaimed faith” (Catholic, Jewish, Mormon whatever) can be saved, Jesus doesn’t care, he isn’t into “religion”.

Originally Posted by Joatmon
As for the quote from the message that wasn't mine - no one as far as I am concerned is here "recruiting", we are simply asking for our favorite music, the same as everyone else. As for your "unbiased" music comment.... hahaha! that IS funny, so we are going to remove ALL music from Rock Band? There is NO music that is completely unbiased about anything, except maybe instrumentals... Maybe.

Originally Posted by zDisturbedOnez
Where do you get this crap from really???? Remove all songs from the game are you serious??? It really is all or nothing with you people isnt it????

Dude, think, there is no “unbiased music”, that was a sarcastic comment based on your comment about not wanting Christian music because you wanted it to be “unbiased”, DUH, no, I am not serious.

Originally Posted by zDisturbedOnez
Yeah, currently we have a lot of really political and religious songs in the game right???? Dont you really understand to any muslim, buddist, hinduist or whatever their faith maybe that if you start adding your religous point of view down their throats there is blowback???

Silly, not even worth the time to address.

Originally Posted by zDisturbedOnez
I hate to tell all of you Christians that if you look at all the various religions around the world you are not in the majority.

So?

This holier than thou attitude
Attitude not present, point is moot.

we just keep fighting over the same thing.
Again, if you wouldn’t come into a thread you don’t agree with to argue about things you don’t like, you wouldn’t be fighting.

[DeathShrike]

Joatmon, you should thank these people for helping to develop your persecution complex. It's very important to many Christians, and I am trying to do my part. :D

[Joatmon]

Nah, now the Jews, THEY are the ones persecuted aren't they?

[DeathShrike]

Nah, now the Jews, THEY are the ones persecuted aren't they?

It's not a complex if you're actually being persecuted.

[Jeremypl]

ZING!

I LAWL everytime I hear Christians complain about being persecuted - you're the majority! Your random belief system rules this country. You've been in charge for about 1500 years. In fact, most of the religious-based violence in the last half of human history has been in the name of Christ. So whenever I hear Jerry Falwell talk about how the "mainstream" is trying to take Christianity down, I chuckle. Christianity IS the mainstream!

I can't say I've faced a lot of persecution due to my agnostic beliefs, buy maybe because I don't believe in anything worth persecuting. I'm a nihilist, I belief in NOTHING! (That must be exhausting.)

[darkangel]

there are some really good Christian bands out there esp metal. I really like Tourniquet and think their drummer (Ted Kirkpatrick) is extremely underrated because of his label. That said, I really dont like all the "jesus" babble either.

[TeutonicKnight]

I think the new Comatose CD by Skillet would be awsome.

[JRSPipboy2008]

Maybe we should try and get this thread back on the topic of "Christian Music" and it's potential to be included in Rock Band?

The "religious" debate is worth having, just maybe in some other thread in a different forum. This one is about future songs for RB, not our views on the existance of any sort of higher power.

Personally I judge a song by wether it's good or not, wether I like it or I don't. If it has certain labels I'm less likely to hear it in the first place since I don't seek out that style of music (like Christian Rock or Country or Gangsta Rap) but that doesn't mean I can't still like it. I didn't even know Flyleaf was Christian Rock until it was mentioned but I think the song is good.

In the end I think if RB spends a week featuring a type of music that makes a portion of the gaming population happy then I don't have to like it. Because at some point I'd like to get music that I enjoy into the game and I'm hoping when that vote comes people will let my interests have their shot.

And I don't have to download it anyway ...

[zDisturbedOnez]

It isn't about "recruiting" or changing your views, it is about Getting some music in the game that EVERYONE can enjoy, (by that I mean no family cringing when lyrics are sung by your neighbors 8 year old daughter etc)

Last time I checked this game carried and ESRB rating of T for teen. This rating also applies to DLC as well. This rating system was established for lazy parents that do not want to monitor their children's video game usage by actually sitting with them and watching. So based on this rating your neighbors 8 year old should not be playing anyway. If the game carries a T for Teen rating out of the box then no one should complain about things in it that are unsuitable for the lower age groups. You knew what you were getting.

While I understand your view point of future DLC being obscenity laced, it will never happen. This has been discussed over and over again on these boards and if you would have taken the time to do some research on your own you would have had all your worries removed. That being said, back to the topic on hand, I could deal with some POD for DLC.

[Joatmon]

It's not a complex if you're actually being persecuted.

Touche' ya got me...

[Joatmon]

Last time I checked this game carried and ESRB rating of T for teen. This rating also applies to DLC as well. This rating system was established for lazy parents that do not want to monitor their children's video game usage by actually sitting with them and watching. So based on this rating your neighbors 8 year old should not be playing anyway. If the game carries a T for Teen rating out of the box then no one should complain about things in it that are unsuitable for the lower age groups. You knew what you were getting.

While I understand your view point of future DLC being obscenity laced, it will never happen. This has been discussed over and over again on these boards and if you would have taken the time to do some research on your own you would have had all your worries removed. That being said, back to the topic on hand, I could deal with some POD for DLC.


Let me start by saying that I too would LOVE QUEENSRYCHE DLC.

I know the ratings, not the issue, we all know what great things ratings do for ANYTHING. I am not "complaining" per se, I am just "requesting" music that I like, just like everyone else, it just so happens that another benefit is that my neighbors 8 year old (who loves to sing) could play, opening up the door to MORE of everything, more sales, more dlc, more customers, more fun etc...

I also agree that music included as DLC should be based on being good, and fun to play, check out Day of Fire...

[SpraggleRocks]

Why, why, why do people feel the need to start a new "Christian Rock in Rock Band" thread every week? It's a constant battle of stubborness and it's painful to read through. As much as I would love to take the time to fill out a massive post I'll abbreviate my thoughts.

Religion is everywhere, Christian or otherwise, its part of culture, I don't feel there is a need to ask for a specific genre like this over and over again. I'm sure there are religious references in some of the songs already in the game. If there is a band you like great ask for it. I also don't understand why it seems one genre is all many of you like. A lot of you have like 20 bands listed for Christian rock (not to say there is a limit of how many bands you like, but let's be honest you can only really like so many bands). Look at all the different types of rock that are awesome, you don't see constant threads of "Please more Glam rock, it makes my soul happy".

And quit the bickering your like kids arguing about whether or not your dad could beat up my dad. Good rock is what matters most so please spare us there rediculous threads.

[DeathShrike]

A lot of you have like 20 bands listed for Christian rock (not to say there is a limit of how many bands you like, but let's be honest you can only really like so many bands).

What?? What a worthless point.


Look at all the different types of rock that are awesome, you don't see constant threads of "Please more Glam rock, it makes my soul happy".

Um, yes you do.

[DarkEternal37]

I'm gonna post this here cause I feel it's relevant to this thread. I just recently heard Whispers in the Dark (via my brother) and I thought it was awesome. Picked up the CD and damn. Skillet is pretty sweet, gotta say. Wouldn't mind seeing some of those songs in RB. But of course, I would like them in the game because they are awesome songs, not just because Skillet shares the same faith as me.

[Christian_Roxxor]

I still would love to see some skillet in Rock Band. That would be my number one over every band, then some Switchfoot and/or Relient K. You know what drives me crazy? The people that always end up coming around saying some goofball comment like "Nobody wants Christian music in rock band! Go Away!" or pop in a thread and say "Does anybody actually want Christian Rock in rock band?" It makes me wonder if they can even read... It comes up ALL the time and there are always many posts on them (So obviously YES! Somebody DOES want it) which range from:

"Your opinion for Christian music is stupid and it will never happen"
"Christian rock is the worst music I've ever heard"
"I don't think we should have religions in the game"
"I don't have a problem with Christian music being in the game so long as it ROCKS!"
"I'm an Atheist and I like some Christian bands, so I would like bands X, Y, and Z"
"I love Christian rock and really want it to be DLC"

Anyway, my point is that I get tired of the people who probably troll the forums and have posted like 50 different negative comments on separate threads and probably do searches through the forums all day for anything with the word Christian in it (I even put up a thread simply titled Skillet with no mention of Christian anything in it and still got my opinion bashed because of my name on these forums). I have looked around and I never see other bands getting bashed like ours do, its silly and childish of all those that feel they must beat down our opinions just because they see differently. Anyway, just something I wanted to mention. But I'm totally up for all different kinds of music besides Christian music... (I don't normally mention the others because I know they will end up making it to DLC anyway, because of popularity) I just would like to have more christian rock in it as well.

[Joatmon]

I'm gonna post this here cause I feel it's relevant to this thread. I just recently heard Whispers in the Dark (via my brother) and I thought it was awesome. Picked up the CD and damn. Skillet is pretty sweet, gotta say. Wouldn't mind seeing some of those songs in RB. But of course, I would like them in the game because they are awesome songs, not just because Skillet shares the same faith as me.

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you! Skillet DOES indeed rock & Whispers in the Dark woudl be SWEET!

[Joatmon]

I still would love to see some skillet in Rock Band. That would be my number one over every band, then some Switchfoot and/or Relient K. You know what drives me crazy? The people that always end up coming around saying some goofball comment like "Nobody wants Christian music in rock band! Go Away!" or pop in a thread and say "Does anybody actually want Christian Rock in rock band?" It makes me wonder if they can even read... It comes up ALL the time and there are always many posts on them (So obviously YES! Somebody DOES want it) which range from:

"Your opinion for Christian music is stupid and it will never happen"
"Christian rock is the worst music I've ever heard"
"I don't think we should have religions in the game"
"I don't have a problem with Christian music being in the game so long as it ROCKS!"
"I'm an Atheist and I like some Christian bands, so I would like bands X, Y, and Z"
"I love Christian rock and really want it to be DLC"

Anyway, my point is that I get tired of the people who probably troll the forums and have posted like 50 different negative comments on separate threads and probably do searches through the forums all day for anything with the word Christian in it (I even put up a thread simply titled Skillet with no mention of Christian anything in it and still got my opinion bashed because of my name on these forums). I have looked around and I never see other bands getting bashed like ours do, its silly and childish of all those that feel they must beat down our opinions just because they see differently. Anyway, just something I wanted to mention. But I'm totally up for all different kinds of music besides Christian music... (I don't normally mention the others because I know they will end up making it to DLC anyway, because of popularity) I just would like to have more christian rock in it as well.

Again, THANK YOU! That is what I have been (unsuccessfully) trying to say...

[PsykX]

In all respect, I would survive if they didn't include Christian music in RB

[Christian_Roxxor]

I think all us panheads should start our own forum or just group up as friends to try and unite everyone to get skillet into Rock Band (maybe go protest with signs outside Harmonix? lol... no not really). But man I get so excited to see fellow Skillet lovers who feel like I do about getting some DLC. I even emailed Skillet to try and do whatever they could to help Harmonix get the things they would need to create some DLC from their music cause I'm so desperate! Anyway, anyone who likes Skillet is a friend of mine so add me to your friends if you like Skillet and maybe we can try to start something that will be beneficial to our getting Skillet someday.

[justinautry]

a great new christian band out there is called ways of life check them out

http://www.myspace.com/5waysolife

[SpraggleRocks]

Deathshrike my comment about all the bands, I was getting at all these bands someone would want from just one genre.

It just seems to be the only genre that keeps getting brought up over and over again with extensive band requests. Yes you see "more glam rock" posts but they aren't as frequent as these Christian Rock threads that get started.

[Joatmon]

they aren't as frequent as these Christian Rock threads that get started.


Hmmm, that must mean something...

[DeathShrike]

Hmmm, that must mean something...

Yeah, that the same 3 people keep creating new threads that say the same thing.

PS: What's with your creepy Alien Christ avatar guy?

[Joatmon]

PS: What's with your creepy Alien Christ avatar guy?

WOW! Someone finally asked!
You probaly don't want to know..... I saw a t-shirt once (at a Christian store while buying cd's) that said "alien" in big letters on the front, on the back was a short description of a biblical reference about how we are not "from" this "world" (the earth) and that we were "just visiting"... I thought it was cool & it kinda stuck :)

[DeathShrike]

WOW! Someone finally asked!
You probaly don't want to know..... I saw a t-shirt once (at a Christian store while buying cd's) that said "alien" in big letters on the front, on the back was a short description of a biblical reference about how we are not "from" this "world" (the earth) and that we were "just visiting"... I thought it was cool & it kinda stuck :)

Hm. I prefer Alien Christ. In fact, your name is now AlienChrist.

[Insane3]

Sadly this response is typical of the people that "don't have eyes to see". Let me explain my comments further...

MY point is simply this - If you don't agree with the threads content or don't like the discussion, WHY come here and spread your "hate", simple really.

And yes I probably went overboard with my comments, forgive me, I AM human & the ridiculous comments by people here do tend to frustrate me, especially when it is OBVIOUS by those comments that you have never even listened to the music you are so wholeheartedly bashing.

I never said anything about anyone being less spiritual than I am, no clue where that came from??

As for the quote from the message that wasn't mine - no one as far as I am concerned is here "recruiting", we are simply asking for our favorite music, the same as everyone else. As for your Neo Nazi music comments, c'mon man, grow up. As for your "unbiased" music comment.... hahaha! that IS funny, so we are going to remove ALL music from Rock Band? There is NO music that is completely unbiased about anything, except maybe instrumentals... Maybe.

First of all, your answer is very insulting. I'm not the one who you were talking to, of course, but i'm happy I aint.

I have no problem about adding any song to rock band. I have a problem about adding a religious or political label to this game. If there was a "Christian pack" in rock band, it would mean that it's a pro-christian game. If there was a flyleaf or whatever pack, it wouldn't mean anything.
The problem is that you can't add a song because of the political or religious stance of it's lyrics because it would make many ppl unhappy, including me. You can add it because it is good though. I wouldn't want any "budhism pack" in this game too... or a "jew pack", "republican pack", "anarchy pack", ect.

[Insane3]

Originally Posted by zDisturbedOnez
[...] it is like going to some where that you don’t work and complaining about the working conditions, does that make sense?

Well... let me think about it lol... Yes it makes sense. Maybe this wasn't the best exemple lol.

Not completely true. A “real Christian” IS saved (and proud of it), the only PERSON that knows is THAT person, no one else can decide. The only way you ARE saved is by asking for and allowing Jesus into your heart. It is totally personal, no church necessary, no application to fill out, no meetings to go to, no special music to listen to. People of any “proclaimed faith” (Catholic, Jewish, Mormon whatever) can be saved, Jesus doesn’t care, he isn’t into “religion”.

The problem is the word itself. From what am I saved when i believe in your god? From a danger i don't believe in. The use of the word "saved" means nothing because it is only related to something in wich you (and other ppl) believe. It's also insulting. So please, stop using that word.


Well my comments are in orange.

[JimmyRyan]

"What if this whole crusade's
A charade
And behind it all there's a price to be paid
For the blood
On which we dine
Justified in the name of the holy and the divine

Just how deep do you believe?
Will you bite the hand that feeds?
Will you chew until it bleeds?
Can you get up off your knees?
Are you brave enough to see?
Do you want to change it?

So naive
I keep holding on to what I want to believe
I can see
But I keep holding on and on and on and on"

To me that's pretty obvious, but I guess to some it wouldn't be. Coming from Trent Reznor, I wouldn't be surprised if he was referring to Christianity, he has in the past.

Anti-authoritarian would be something like The Who, Stones, or alot of the other bands in the game.

I know it's a lot of material they put in the game and I doubt anybody at Harmonix intentionally decided to offend anybody. They probably just thought it was a cool sounding song. But still, when you pay over $150 for a game, bring it home and start hearing how crap your religion is, it sucks. I've been listening to music for 20 years and can think of a ton of other Metallica, Weezer, and NIN songs to put on the game that have nothing to do with religion.

You know he could just be referring to organized religion in general and not Christianity specifically? Or maybe, Catholicism, which 9/10ths of all Protestants don't even count as Christianity anymore!

You see...this is the whole problem with associating a specific religion with a specific genre of music. If you want to listen to the Hand That Feeds and think he's talking about Christianity, you can do that. Doesn't make it anti-Christian though. Others of us see it as directed at government, or maybe even an oppressive parent or spouse, what have you. Music can be interpreted in many ways.

I wouldn't label a band Christian or anti-Christian unless they have lyrics that are expressly saying such a thing. Take "Judith" by A Perfect Circle. "**** your God, your Lord, and your Christ" is pretty clearly an anti-Christian message. I am sure there are legitimate Christian bands that have "Jesus is my savior, etc etc" in their lyrics, which make that pretty clear.

I've seen Anberlin and Switchfoot included here and in many other Christian Rock threads. These are bands that have some spiritual songs but they both have disavowed being lumped in with the Christian Rock genre. So...what am I missing? I'm not familiar with their entire catalogue of songs, but the ones I have heard don't have any mention of Christ specifically. In order to be a Christian band, does it not require lyrics praising Christ? If they mention God, that could be any one of the major religions. Hell, that even works for agnostics. They could sing about spirituality or Christian-like values, but that still doesn't define them as a Christian band.
They both rock, by the way, I would kill for some Anberlin.

[ReignInBlood]

Check your sources. Slayer takes a neutral standpoint in religious things as far songs go. Tom Araya is also a Christian.

I know all about slayer and how the band itself takes a neutral standpoint, but I was referring to the lyrical content of kerry king, mainly off of albums like God Hates Us All and Christ Illusion. People are not going to look at lyrics from those albums and think neutral. They don't preach, but they express their opinion, and kerry king expresses his opinion a lot on those two albums.

[DeathShrike]

Check your sources. Slayer takes a neutral standpoint in religious things as far songs go.

Don't make me post lyrics. I would LOVE to post lyrics. Retract this statement, or I will post lyrics to prove you are wrong. Also, "Insane" is the only sane one on this thread. Me included. VOTE VOMIT!

[joinedFOZZIE]

i am going to end this dumb thread
christian rock is a genre of rock nothing else any bands that want to be christian are called Gospel & Religious

Switchfoot is a good band and i don't gave a care if the are in the christian rock genre they are still good and should be on rock band, i would buy right away if they were DLC

[Wrathchild998]

I think this dumb thread ended 03-29-2008.

[DarkEternal37]

i am going to end this dumb thread
christian rock is a genre of rock nothing else any bands that want to be christian are called Gospel & Religious

Switchfoot is a good band and i don't gave a care if the are in the christian rock genre they are still good and should be on rock band, i would buy right away if they were DLC

Periods. That is all.

[Colonel_Kirby]

They should add Live.

[TFOT>EVERYONE]

great idea. too bad all those bands suck.

good christian music:

Norma Jean
The Chariot
mewithoutYou
MyChildren MyBride
Bloody Sunday
A Plea For Purging
War of Ages
Impending Doom

THAT would be epic. screw Flyleaf. they suck something fierce.

[Ultimatum]

All Christian music is dumb, gimmicky, and super-preachy.

Hell, it's even preachier than dumb Straight-Edge Hardcore, and that's hard to top in preachiness.

[Fortune]

What about some Anberlin? They're still rock and still Christian. (and you can tell in their lyrics...)

[deevineh8tred]

AS I LAY DYING-only christian band i wanna see

[meminusyou]

Have you ever considered putting in more Christian bands? I was thrilled to see Flyleaf in there. They are so many Christian bands that could be put in that every one would like. Thousand Foot Krutch, Discple, Kutless, Skillet, The Wedding are just a few examples. And if you want more girls songs, Barlow Girl and some more Flyleaf could be added. Rockband could attract a whole new crowd if more Christian bands were on it. Plus, I think they would be fun to play.

jesus and rock & roll should have nothing to do with one another.

[Joatmon]

Thank you, you've made your opinion known. There should be no more posts from you in this thread unless you are trying to be provocative.

Thank you El Metal, I feel very sad about people with his attitude, I couldn't decide how to respond, I hope this (and the other person you said something similar to) do decide to waste there time elsewhere.

I really don't understand WHY people troll where they don't like to be, just to irritate people they don't have anything in common with??

As for meminusyou, Jesus happens to be in everything friend, even in you, he even uses non Christian music to reach people, look out, he is in your bedroom right now....

[darthluigi7]

Hand That Feeds, sure somebody could say it's about anything else in it's defense ("oh it's about his cat or something"), but anybody that can read between the lines knows what he's on about.

Edit: The problem I have with the song is that I'm a vocalist on XBL most of the time, so I actually have to focus on the words of songs. And it's very frustrating when your friends want to play it and you've got words scrolling across the screen that are basically saying "do you really believe" and crap. I just say it's not one of my favorite songs and skip it. They did such a good job picking all the other songs, I don't know why they threw that one in there. It's really annoying. There's no rule that says you've got to mix rock 'n roll with religion. Even without the subject matter, it's not even a very good song anyway, it's repetitive and boring. A couple more that aren't blatantly anti-Christian, but certainly don't put Christianity in a positive light:

Enter Sandman - Mocking a child's prayer
Say It Ain't So - "You've cleaned up found Jesus", this could be taken positive or negative, but the tone of the song isn't exactly positive. The phrase is kind of condescending.
Welcome Home - "You stormed off to scar the armada, Like Jesus played martyr, I'll drill through your hands". Another mockery of the crucifixion.No offense but you and Carrie's mother sound like you would get along very well. mewithoutYou, Underoath, Haste the Day, etc. Tooth and Nail bands would be amazing on rock band.

[Insane3]

Thank you, you've made your opinion known. There should be no more posts from you in this thread unless you are trying to be provocative.

Thank you, you've made your opinion known. There should be no more posts from you in this thread unless you are trying to be provocative.
No seriously, you already said that to Ultimatum, so you're in contradiction with yourself.

[Insane3]

All Christian music is dumb, gimmicky, and super-preachy.

Hell, it's even preachier than dumb Straight-Edge Hardcore, and that's hard to top in preachiness.

Stop that kind of comments plz. I'm adressing this to ppl with every opinion possible.

[Insane3]

Thank you El Metal, I feel very sad about people with his attitude, I couldn't decide how to respond, I hope this (and the other person you said something similar to) do decide to waste there time elsewhere.

I really don't understand WHY people troll where they don't like to be, just to irritate people they don't have anything in common with??

As for meminusyou, Jesus happens to be in everything friend, even in you, he even uses non Christian music to reach people, look out, he is in your bedroom right now....

Joatmon, I do believe that Jesus existed and that he was a peace figure (just like the Dalai Lama for exemple). But I, like all other non-chritian ppl, do not believe that he still has power over anything except the mind of christians. Wich means that your comment doesn't mean anything to Meminusyou because he does not believe that Jesus has any power over anything.
I'm just trying to help you understand why some people don't agree with you.

[brb_fbi]

As for meminusyou, Jesus happens to be in everything friend, even in you, he even uses non Christian music to reach people, look out, he is in your bedroom right now....

GET THE HELL OUT OF MY BEDROOM JESUS! You pervert.

[Joatmon]

Joatmon, I do believe that Jesus existed and that he was a peace figure (just like the Dalai Lama for exemple). But I, like all other non-chritian ppl, do not believe that he still has power over anything except the mind of christians. Wich means that your comment doesn't mean anything to Meminusyou because he does not believe that Jesus has any power over anything.
I'm just trying to help you understand why some people don't agree with you.

I completely understand why people don't agree, but thanks for trying to help, I know that meminusyou doesn't believe in Jesus' power, however, Jesus believes in meminus you anyway.

[cappo619]

Underoath is Christian....I wouldn't mind them! :D

[HMXJohnlok]

Please keep discussion to music. Music. Not philosophy, not religion. Music.

Please keep discussion to music - please. PLEASE.

Please?

[Joatmon]

GET THE HELL OUT OF MY BEDROOM JESUS! You pervert.

The fact that he IS in your bedroom means (by default) that there is no "hell" in your bedroom, so asking him to get the "hell" out of your bedroom is kind of a moot point, but... on the other hand, I guess he did do what you asked him to do, that is kinda his gig ya know....

:D

[joinedFOZZIE]

OK IF YOU DON'T WANT CHRISTIAN THEN STOP POSTING ON THIS THREAD AND GO MAKE YOUR OWN THREAD THAT SAYS "NON-CHRISTIAN BANS" I HAVE SAID THIS LIKE A LOT BUT SWITCHFOOT IS THE WAY TO GO.

ADDING TO THE NOISE
BURN OUT BRIGHT
OH! GRAVITY
MEANT TO LIVE
LONELY NATION

Wow my bad i didn't know i had caps on and i suck at typing so i'm to lazy to type that again.

[Insane3]

Let's make something clear.
You can't expect to exclude any philosophy outside a christian rock thread because a philosophy englobes religions. And since christian rock promotes a religion, this is also a religious thread. This is about adding a religious label to an international game (well soon to. And I really hope they lower the price for Europeans). I have already stated that I do NOT care at all if they put a band that is considered to have christian lyrics in DLC. What I care about is putting this band in DLC under a religious label. There should never be any "Christian rock pack" because christian rock is not a musical genre, it is at most a lyric genre and lyrics are only the quarter of this game. Also, I wouldn't agree because, as I have stated many times (I'm repeating I know, but I didn't have any negative answers to that statement so I assume that it is rational), I don't want Rock Band to have any religious (nor political) stance. It is a game and let's try to keep Jesus inside your bedroom (héhé Joatman) but outside a game that everyone can access (jews, muslims, atheists, budhists, etc.)

How about peace songs? Ain't peace one of christian's valors? Why not asking for a "peace and love" pack?

You know what, I believe I may have been insulting in precedent interventions and I want to apologize. This thread flames be because this subject is very important for me. I do not believe in any god, but I don't believe that religions are bad. I believe that they are very important, especially in poor countries because religions answer your questions. I believe these answers are not true but I also believe that it doesn't matters. Sometimes, people need answers no matter what they are. The only problem with religions is that they are not enough open-minded. Christianism once supported slavery. The bible promotes it. I'm sure most of you believe that slavery is bad. The problem is that the bible was a right guide for that time period but things have changed and the bible's laws must be changed. On Exodus 35:2 - God demands that we kill everyone who works on sabbath day. What is that!
Anyway, I'm not saying that christianism is bad, not at all, I have clarified my views above; i think all religions are necessary. But I also believe that people must not act exactly like a quite old book asks them to act. Follow the general idea and open your mind.

Well I'm tired. I know I won't change anybody's mind. Peace out.

[SordidSaint]

There is some Christian rock...HE DOESN'T LOOK A THIING LIKE JEEESUS! See?:D

[KEWB]

Have you ever considered putting in more Christian bands? I was thrilled to see Flyleaf in there. They are so many Christian bands that could be put in that every one would like. Thousand Foot Krutch, Discple, Kutless, Skillet, The Wedding are just a few examples. And if you want more girls songs, Barlow Girl and some more Flyleaf could be added. Rockband could attract a whole new crowd if more Christian bands were on it. Plus, I think they would be fun to play.

look, i know you're new (you only have 6 posts after all...), but please use the search function before you start a new thread. there's a good chance that what you want to talk about has already been discussed. case and point, just search for christian rock or something like that and i'm sure you'll find plenty of threads open for discussion.

[TisNathanator]

I would totally buy skillet... Their "collide" album has some pretty hard songs that i think would attract a lot of attention:cool::)

[Dan12R]

Here's the way we need to look at this plain and simple: Some people love heavy metal. Others can't stand it. Some people love punk rock. Others would rather shoot themselves. Some people love Christian rock. Others don't find it interesting.

Now the beauty of DLC in this game is it helps you create your setlist. How awesome is that? And the fact that it's practically weekly makes it so easy. If you want to load up on heavy metal, go for it. If you're more into classic rock, get a bunch of classic rock. Make your Rock Band experience yours.

All we have here is some people who would like to make their Rock Band experience their's by getting some Christian music available for download. Is that so bad? No. Because you don't have to make it part of your Rock Band experience. You can let a week or two go by in the schedule just like people who hate punk music let a week or two go when a punk pack is released.

Now just because there are some people who want some positive lyrics in their Rock Band experience or some of their favorite bands in their Rock Band experience is absolutely no reason to attack them. DC Talk fans have every right to request DC Talk songs just like Green Day fans have a right to request Green Day. And Christian Rock fans have every right to request Christian Rock just like any other type of rock fan has a right to request their favorite type of rock. Now if you're not into Christian music and you think it's lame, wouldn't it be wiser for you to just move along and keep up the fight for your favorite music than posting here saying you hate this stuff? If Christian rock really is lame like you think, then logically this thread would die and drop off the radar.

Now with that said, let me throw out a few suggestions for a track pack:
DC Talk - Supernatural
Krystal Meyers - Love is on the Run
Pillar - For the Love of the game (I think just about anyone who loves that style of rock would like that song)
Pillar - Bring Me Down
All-Star United - Thank You, Goodnight
Thousand Foot Krutch - Hand Grenade
Thousand Foot Krutch - Falls Apart
TobyMac - Yours
Sanctus Real - Say it Loud
Kutless - Shut Me Out
Kutless - Not What You See

That's just a start. I'm pretty open on the genre.

[Colonel_Kirby]

AS I LAY DYING-only christian band i wanna see

Oh hell yeah.

[maitee1]

look, i know you're new (you only have 6 posts after all...), but please use the search function before you start a new thread. there's a good chance that what you want to talk about has already been discussed. case and point, just search for christian rock or something like that and i'm sure you'll find plenty of threads open for discussion.

Did you see that someone revived this thread? The initial post by the OP was 12/21/2007. Just sayin

[Insane3]

Your sermon was duely noted now GTFO before you get reported for harassment, trolling and religious descrimination.

Anberlin is cool.
Tooth n nail has some good stuff.

Haha, you're funny.

[Ultimatum]

Thank you El Metal, I feel very sad about people with his attitude, I couldn't decide how to respond, I hope this (and the other person you said something similar to) do decide to waste there time elsewhere.

I really don't understand WHY people troll where they don't like to be, just to irritate people they don't have anything in common with??

As for meminusyou, Jesus happens to be in everything friend, even in you, he even uses non Christian music to reach people, look out, he is in your bedroom right now....

Watch Facing The Giants and behold all the cliches.

I'm a musician, and being one that takes playing very seriously it takes a lot to impress me, when I hear Christian music all I hear is cliche, I don't care if it preaches the word of Jesus, if the people can't make up something different then it just becomes boring and repetitive. There's very little to no musical merit in Christian Rock. For example, the most famous and influential Christian musicians DON'T play Christian Rock, that is fact.

Also, what you want is impossible unless if you want Hindi (I actually wouldn't mind this), Nihilist, etc. forms of music in RB as well. HMX can't cater to just one crowd, it's a game for EVERYONE, not just Christians and it's not some way to spread your beliefs because there are people, like me, that are tired of hearing you preach this stuff.

[joey_ramone]

when I hear Christian music all I hear is cliche, I don't care if it preaches the word of Jesus, if the people can't make up something different then it just becomes boring and repetitive. There's very little to no musical merit in Christian Rock. For example, the most famous and influential Christian musicians DON'T play Christian Rock, that is fact.

I agree. Christian rock is primarily about the message, not the music. Christians never pioneer any new sound, they just piggyback off whatever style is popular at the time. Look at how after industrial got big, a few years later you had Christian industrial. Same thing with grunge, hip-hop and indie.

[buddymoops]

the only way I would not have a problem with christian music getting in the game is if they also put islamic music in and give music for satan worshippers to jam to

[joey_ramone]

Thank you for your opinion on this thread also. If you have no Christian band or song recommendations, than it would be safe to assume that you are here to harrass and flame against beliefs you dissagree with. Those actions will get you reported for breaking forum rules.

Flyleaf and Thousand Foot Crutch has some rockin' stuff.

OK Mr. hall monitor, here's up and cumming new Christian artist that I predict will be huge and penetrate into the mainstream with his message of love thy neighbor.

*video removed*

[Ultimatum]

So if your tired of reading it or listening to it, don't come in here to read it and don't download it if it becomes available. HMXJohnlok posted yesterday to keep this thread about music and not philosophy so you are in direct violation of his request. Trolling will get you banned.

This thread was not created to discuss religious philosophy. Create a thread of your own in the General topic forum if flamewars are what you want. Thank you.

Skillet, Tooth and Nail and some Creed would be great.

I love how you completely skipped my "musician's standpoint."

[Ptownsend]

I don't believe in god but i dont care if they add god music.

[Ultimatum]

Thank you for your opinion on this thread also. If you have no Christian band or song recommendations, than it would be safe to assume that you are here to harrass and flame against beliefs you dissagree with. Those actions will get you reported for breaking forum rules.

Flyleaf and Thousand Foot Crutch has some rockin' stuff.

Yet again, he has nothing to say against the musical merit standpoint, I'm trying to have an intelligent discussion with you, all you're doing is trying to provoke so I get banned purely because I disagree with you.

[Crooked Carrot]

Thank you for your opinion on this thread also. If you have no Christian band or song recommendations, than it would be safe to assume that you are here to harrass and flame against beliefs you dissagree with. Those actions will get you reported for breaking forum rules.

Flyleaf and Thousand Foot Crutch has some rockin' stuff.

This thread is not only to discuss the types of Christian songs that would be good in Rock Band, but also discuss whether there is a market for Christian music in Rock Band. Saying that there isn't a market because non-christians would not purchase it is not harassing or flaming.

[Dan12R]

I'm still trying to figure out why people are so opposed to Christian rock being an optional DLC pack. Please explain it to me. No one is forcing you to download it. If you don't like the content of the pack, don't download it. I'm sure if I went on a rant about how I don't like the offensive content of a certain pack that some of you may want, I would be told "If you don't like it, don't download it." If you don't want to hear Christian lyrics or if you don't want to have to say something religious when you're singing in the game, don't get the DLC. It's that simple.

But quite clearly there's a following for Christian Rock. I've seen a number of people post requests for various Christian bands here. There have been a number of Christian bands that have had albums go gold or platinum. So if there are people who want a Christian rock pack, why should they be denied it just because some of you don't want it? I would never want a Marilyn Manson track pack because I find a lot of his stuff offensive. But I'm not going to beg the makers of RB to NOT release one. I just won't get it if they do release one. So instead of coming into these threads saying there shouldn't be a Christian rock pack for whatever excuse you can give, come up with an idea that you like better. If it's more popular, you'll get more people to join your rally cry and our's here will seem like nothing.

[Dan12R]

Oh, and some Christian rock I'd like to see:
Say it Loud - Sanctus Real
Hand Grenade - Thousand Foot Krutch
For the Love of the Game - Pillar
Lie to Me - 12 Stones
Kountry Gentlemen - Family Force 5
Rebirthing - Skillet
Supernatural - dc Talk
Stand and Scream - Krystal Meyers
Thank You, Goodnight - All-Star United (love the opening guitar)
Hello McFly - Relient K

[Crooked Carrot]

I'm still trying to figure out why people are so opposed to Christian rock being an optional DLC pack. Please explain it to me. No one is forcing you to download it. If you don't like the content of the pack, don't download it. I'm sure if I went on a rant about how I don't like the offensive content of a certain pack that some of you may want, I would be told "If you don't like it, don't download it." If you don't want to hear Christian lyrics or if you don't want to have to say something religious when you're singing in the game, don't get the DLC. It's that simple.

But quite clearly there's a following for Christian Rock. I've seen a number of people post requests for various Christian bands here. There have been a number of Christian bands that have had albums go gold or platinum. So if there are people who want a Christian rock pack, why should they be denied it just because some of you don't want it? I would never want a Marilyn Manson track pack because I find a lot of his stuff offensive. But I'm not going to beg the makers of RB to NOT release one. I just won't get it if they do release one. So instead of coming into these threads saying there shouldn't be a Christian rock pack for whatever excuse you can give, come up with an idea that you like better. If it's more popular, you'll get more people to join your rally cry and our's here will seem like nothing.

I am opposed to it because it's not very fair. If a Christian pack is made, a satanic pack should be in the game. As well as a Hindu one, a Buddhist, and an atheist pack. Do you understand what I'm saying? That's just why I'm opposed. I don't know about others.

[2pacchrist]

who give a sh!t about the religion of a band... music isnt about faith... its about f*cking rock... wee need more Iron Maiden, Thousand Foot Crutch, Slayer, and Skillet... because they're all great bands...

[Crooked Carrot]

who give a sh!t about the religion of a band... music isnt about faith... its about f*cking rock... wee need more Iron Maiden, Thousand Foot Crutch, Slayer, and Skillet... because they're all great bands...

But people are asking for bands that have Christian members. They're asking for bands that sing about Christianity. Big difference.

[Dan12R]

I would have to ask if there is really any Hindu rock, Buddhist rock, or (specifically) any atheist or satanic rock and if there would be much of a market. Is it fair that people who are Huey Lewis and the News fans haven't had a single song released when Boston fans have had a whole pack released? But Harmonix releases what they think will please people in the crowd (still hoping for Back in Time though).

If you go into just about any store that sells CDs, you will see a section specifically for Christian music. Is it fair that they have this when they lack a specific section for Jewish music? I would say it's just the nature of business. There's a large number of people who enjoy the works of Pillar, TFK, and Kutless. Should these fans be denied their songs in RB just because they have some religious themes to them? Now I would say that's not fair. Our free market is all about meeting the demand. If people are demanding something, it's not right to deny them that just because it might not be fair to others who are asking for something else.

I can see where you're coming from and why you would think that and I fully understand. But I feel that taking such an approach to this would be a bad one. I would suggest it wouldn't be fair to fans of Christian rock or fair to the bands. It might even be considered censorship. There's a demand for something and I think it would be smart for Harmonix to meet that demand. If a demand for Hindu rock came up, I would say it would be smart for Harmonix to meet that demand as well.